The Ballad of Baker
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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The long-awaited end to the Baker Mayfield saga in Cleveland has come: He has been traded to the Carolina Panthers for a mere pittance of what he was worth just a season ago. Baker's time in Cleveland was once seen as the beginning of a new era for the Browns, but ended up going haywire.
Today, we take a look as to how that might've been, and perhaps Cleveland (and most of us) are wrong about Baker. Maybe he thrives in Carolina, or maybe I'm just an idiot and he truly is a bum.
Regardless of what you think of him, you can't say the Ballad of Baker isn't a unique one.
What a rollercoaster, honestly. A couple years back we we were all happy to see that a bad franchise finally started winning, even winning a playoff game. Then they brought in a QB to replace Baker with numerous legal issues and cast him aside. They went full heel in a heartbeat
They also sent a lot of picks to the Texans and it was still undersold as well because everything involved is a shitwreck
The Browns didn't screw Baker. Baker screwed Baker. - Cleveland Owner
@@jessicastout9764 poor Bret Hart
@@jessicastout9764 The man who gave a serial rapist a job.
Yeah wouldn't care what his opinion is
The football gods will smite them
-finally draft a qb in the 1st round that doesn't bust
-wins you a playoff game against the Steelers no less
-plays through injury for you
-chase him out of town for Bill Cosby at QB who might not even play for a year
CLEVELAND
Browns doing the most Browns thing that ever Browned.
They were the blue blooded franchise a few decades ago. Sad what has happened to them.
The opening with the sponsor made this video so much better
As a baker fan, I hope he lights up the league
This just reminds me of the current Tua situation, teams refusing to recnogize when a player is hurt and only jeopardizing their career because of it
Heck, the Browns at least sat Baker in the TNF game following Arizona. "Bare Minimum" sure, but when another team doesn't even do that? Under similar-at-best circumstances? The LOLFins just gave Cleveland a "Get out of jail free" card.
I rememeber watching that Browns vs Jets game when he came in for Tyrod Taylor and led a comeback. Instantly made me a fan and im always going to root for him.
I'm a Virginia Tech fan, and thus didn't like Baker at first because he took the starting job away from Tyrod Taylor, who was the QB at Tech in the late 2000s, early 2010s.
Coincidentally, I am also a Carolina Panthers fan. I want Baker to do well, not only for how the Browns treated him, but also because he could provide success we've been needing and be a mentor to Matt Corral.
Baker is a man of tremendous potential, but the Browns don't know how to develop players and his ego was left unchecked. I think the past four years were a necessary humbling experience.
Sad truth is that injured Baker was still better than Case Keenum - that’s why they played him. Kinda surprised they didn’t make a move mid-season for Jimmy G when the niners were 2-7
Carolina nights: the ballad of baker Mayfield
I would love it if the Panthers managed to get to 2nd in the division from this, and they might be able to. The Falcons are poised to be the worst team in the league, so they should be able to get to third. They just need to get past the Saints, and I think right now it's a toss up between them. If Watson does pan out, I think both the Panthers and Browns will have close to the same record, but man, do I want the Panthers to really out perform the Browns not in just that first game but in the season, just as a big fuck you from Baker.
Browns doing Browns things
Who’s here after he led the Buccaneers to the divisional round of the playoffs after beating the defending NFC Champion Eagles?
Since the trade
playoff wins
Browns: 0
Baker: 1
@@thedude3065Indeed, the recent Bucs season was Baker's redemption arc.
What ticks me off most as a Browns fan is how unfair Baker's situation really was to fans. "Fans" now say that Baker was selfish, only playing through injury for his own good. But we ALL know darn well that if Baker had chosen to sit, these SAME fans would call Baker a quitter for not wanting to play. *It's a very annoying lose-lose situation for Baker.*
That is literally bull shit. THE DUDES SHOULDER WAS FALLING OFF - NOT a single Browns fan would of said that crap.
@@bdawg4231 you’d be surprised smh you’d be surprised 😕
@@bdawg4231 bullshit they wouldn’t have. They’ve been ripping him for how bad he “sucked.” If he had sat like he should have, they absolutely would’ve ripped him for “quitting.” You and I both know it. That’s how many Browns “fans” are unfortunately. These are the same people who cheered when Tim Couch got hurt back in the day. They’re awful people. I’ve been a Browns fan for 15 years. They always act like that. And I’m just gonna say it: Not all fans are like these people. But the Browns fans who are? They deserve a garbage football team for decades to come. They aren’t fans. They’re thugs and bullies. They’re real pieces of work.
@@bdawg4231 There are people saying *now* that Baker wasn’t really injured and that his health had nothing to do with his play last year.
@@davew4939 Yup, Quincy carrier (a popular Browns channel) is also saying that. How people can't see that Baker was limited is sad.
I think Browns fans will forever have a place in their hearts for Baker Mayfield. Even if it was a low bar to clear, he was the best QB they've had since their return in 1999.
Im a browns fan, and they absolutely fucked baker over and I'm upset.
@@Pieforpupper I really wanted him to do well there, but Cleveland got greedy and sold their souls to the devil after mishandling his shoulder injury.
@@MNSportsJunkie101 Oh absolutely, as Tree said, Baker should have been made to go on Injured, instead they let him keep going out there when it was obvious his injury was impairing his abilities and then complained that he didn't play like he did when he was healthy.
@@MNSportsJunkie101 And we will regret it I'm sure.
@@MNSportsJunkie101 who cares, Haslam will fuck up this team while he's still the owner
Baker Mayfield becoming a sympathetic figure is something I never expected to happen. I firmly hope that he can revive his career in Carolina and make the Browns pay for how they treated him.
I think the only way he starts is if Sam Darnold is injured or Baker beats him out for the starting job. Carolina owes Darnold 19 million to where Baker is just short of 5 million, plus remember they gave a 6th, 2nd, and 4th to get Darnold where Baker only costed a 5th (which becomes a 4th based off playing time).
Edit: Also forgot they have XFL Legend PJ Walker and Matt Corral, so who really knows at this point.
We also didn't expect Deshaun's over 20 cases, but here we are
@@Charles_Groebs not exactly hard to see, but
Remember that both were top picks IN THE SAME DRAFT, what a collapse
browns didnt treat him bad. browns just tried to get another QB. nfl is a business. the browns made a business decision
where they supposed to stick with baker just for old times sake?
@@godfather95mbs33 yeah, letting him play without an arm was also a business decision, which says a lot
Poor Baker Mayfield. He gave it his all to the Browns, and they treat him like crap. I'm hoping the best for him.
Same, city turned their backs on him only a season after finally making it to the postseason
I hope Watson eventually gets suspended. He makes Big Ben look like a lovable guy by comparison.
I will not miss the 5-1 record he had against the Bengals, including the last three starts vs Joe Burrow.
@@ct-rollins4685
The worst part is when people blame him for playing injured, instead of the organization…at any point the Browns should have said “We love the dedication Baker, but it’s better if we put you on the IR and let you heal”
Instead, they did nothing but actively sabotage not only his year but that of the entire team’s
@@warlordofbritannia Usually people go seeing someone playing hurt as having "Heart" and "Passion" but for Baker it was him being "Selfish" just because of where he was in his contract. Which is bullshit.
He goes under the knife because of the injury and he's "Soft" and "Doesn't care about winning" The guy got fucked and the Browns wanted their shiny new toy.
I honestly hope for Baker to shine in Carolina. He didn't deserve to get shafted like he did
Like Tree said at the end, Baker shredding Cleveland in week 1 would be funny to see.
Agreed. As a Browns fan, god fucking damn it. Of all people we had to sign it was Deshaun the sexual assault monster, and we simultaneously screwed Baker. All I can say is that we better win and I wish Baker the best of luck.
We said the same thing about Darnold (WHO IS FROM THE SAME FUCKING CLASS), the next move will be Cam retiring and being replaced by... Josh Rosen
@@FelipeYoshioCordeirodeSouza yeah but Darnold was never good, Mayfield has proven himself to be competent at many points
@@UHOH_415 yea that would be good you love to see it player gets fucked over by a team goes elsewhere ends up shitting all over old team in a game
I'm with UT on this one. Not a fan of Baker, but after watching the Cleveland Clowns botch his handling, I'm rooting for him to rebound.
Love the new name....cleaveland clowns....hehehehe
@@johnpatricklim4509 Im definitely calling them that this year
@@johnpatricklim4509 that’s old an unoriginal
@@IwhowasdatXD960 you and all the other smoothbrained kids. Got it
@@johnpatricklim4509 Old ass name plus you spelled CLEVELAND wrong.
I agree with you 155%... I am not a big Mayfield fan, but what the Browns did... they did it to themselves. It's your JOB, as a head coach, to SIT a player who cannot play due to injury.....
And Baker, quite honestly, should have sat.
If Baker didn't want to, the coaches should have made that call. But Stefanski has no balls. And the whole Browns organization has no brain.
Exactly-the job of the coach is to put the best players on the field at all times, yet the entire Browns organization kept running Baker out there to both the detriment of his season and the entire team’s
They failed to make that decision, either through lack of moral courage or basic competency, and then they had the audacity to blame him for their mistakes
@@warlordofbritannia Yep. Take Saban in the Georgia vs Bama game in the NC. Jameson Williams, their star WR and a 1st round draft pick lock, suffered a horrific injury on his leg around the ACL area. In the 2nd Quarter, you could see Jamo walking on the field, and wanted to play. Saban wouldn't let him, he chose Jameson's career over 30 minutes left in a NC. Ik College and the NFL are different but that really stood out to me and should be the standard for handling injured players.
He literally refused to sit.. WHY IS THIS HARD TO UNDERSTAND LOL
@@bdawg4231 He literally got up in a press conference and said it was his decision whether he played or not before the Browns benched him prior to the Broncos game. Maybe he needs better people in his camp to tell him to put himself first and teams don't care about if you play hurt.
I think many people have forgotten that Baker, despite his 2021 struggles, is a legitimate quarterback. The man can play when he's not trotting out with a horrific injury. I really think the Panthers made a great move and the Browns continue to be a miserable pit of sorrow for this (and the Deshaun) move.
Baker Mayfield is that one player who will expose you for what you are in a vacuum. He is the Bottle Episode QB.
Baker definitely got screwed. He gave everything to the Browns organization and they threw him in the trash and replaced him with Big Ben 2.0.
I really think recency bias is in full swing when it comes to him. A lot of my league mates in fantasy and other places say he’s always been like that and he’s never been good. Hoping he puts together something close to or better than that 2020 season.
He is Goff’s level
R H i mean sure i guess i will. Just my observation on a dude who actually had a pretty decent year in 2020 and his rookie year. Doesn’t have any bearing on my team so i doesn’t really bother me if it goes either way. Just want to root for the dude.
Honestly this going sound weird but I hope baker can lead whatever team a super bowl win
The only reason I’m watching Panthers games that’s for sure
Honestly same, or Watson to prison
@@angryfoxgaming6276 the guy not convicted of a crime with all his allegations to prison… think about what you’re saying. It’s corrupt.
As long as he beats the Browns
@@mbdg6810 oh yeah it's so corrupt all 26 women are lying. Dude I'll even grant you the possibility that 10 are lying but can you honestly say with a straight face all of them are lying?? Even with what his lawyer said about happy endings not being illegal?
"I thought the stadium was your HOME, Baker!"
"What did I do to f***ing deserve this?"
That scene from Gridiron Heights still gets me every time...
BR should have off-season eps of GH. If we don't get something like Hardwood Hills or Diamond Heights, they should focus on this.
@@artfire28 Don't forget aboot Zamboni Bluffs, eh? I'd love some hockey content from BR!
@@artfire28 BR does have offseason episodes of Gridiron Heights at times, one of those episodes just happened to air back in March
You anger the football Gods by taking the Browns to the playoffs and winning a game. That can not be ignored, their punishment was inevitable.
@@darealconman its the GH Draft Day edition but not enough
Imagine if Mayfield wins a ring in Carolina and Watson never lives up to his contract...I can't even imagine how furious the city of Cleveland would be.
I’m seriously hoping I get to come back to this when it happens.
As a Bengals fan, I wish all the love and success for Baker in Carolina, I'll definitely be keeping a close eye on the Panthers this year as a secondary team to cheer for
@@animal1439 facts im a partial carolina fan now
Imagine if Watson never plays
delusions like this keep me coming back to comment sections. i cant wait until people see how baker is gonna do. he might be alright, but theyre not winning anything. the league has figured baker out and unless he somehow gets a roster around him thats even better than the one he had the last 4 years, i doubt he ever makes the playoffs with corlina anytime soon
As a broken hearted Browns fan all I can say is this. All of this.
Oh wait, I guess I can also say that I hope Baker beats the living shit out of us week one, and that DeShaun Watson never plays a down and that Haslam soaks himself in his own leaded gas and sets himself alight.
I guess I did have more to say.
Your not a browns fan bro
@@waterlover7590 "You're" a rapist fan, bro.
man youre gonna be really upset when clowney and myles combine for 6 sacks and the browns blowout baker and the panthers. and be double mad when watson comes back week 8-10 and leads us to a deep playoff run
@@SHITSWEEEK Not as upset as I was when The Browns traded their future to recruit someone worse then Ben and Ray Lewis combined.
Because again, I don't root for rapists. Sorry you do.
Good man, Bryce. You are not a fan if u think a team can waste away their future with ridiculous and low life decisions. I was only a fan of them when they acquired Baker and loved watching them build up. Baker plays best with a chip like when he was a walk on freshman. Watson wont play this year, probably next either. The Browns will have to waste another first round pic on a QB and wreck that one too. Im just glad Baker got out.
I thought Baker was going to be Johnny Manziel 2.0, but he honestly developed into a decent QB. It sucks that he got ran out of town after playing hurt most of last season.
Mike I think your first thought stands with him being Johnny 2.0
I am glad he did get a second chance and really hope he doesn't waste it
Both the Browns managers and Bakers fault. Baker wanted to play and the coaching staff didn’t stop him. Dude kept getting tossed around and hurt. Shouldn’t have gotten shafted and he should have been told the truth, but alas he got traded and we all have to move on.
@@nautgamingnautgaming9949 no chance in hell Johnny football is even half of what baker is right now. stop it
At least Cleveland will always have that year the Cavs won the NBA championship, The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and The Drew Carey Show. We can never take that away from them.
Prett admirable he played through a torn labia
Lord Tree, First of his name, Son of the Peeing Willow, I congratulate you on another great sports video covering a good topic and making an incredibly interesting video on it. May your channel one day overtake ESPN, for we all need to hear your beautifully crafted videos
Or y'know good job
Perhaps he could have tailored the ad to the topic: Lord Mayfield, Planter of Banners.
The factory of sadness is back in full swing. You love to see it.
Baker > every other NFL qb
Especially when they caused it themselves.
It never shut down, the lights were just off for a season
There will NOT be a Happy Ending.
@@MazeDaGr8 Just like a lot of other businesses in 2020.
Even now, I don't understand how Cleveland allowed it to be Mayfield's choice to play. We fans talk about him foolishly trying to gut it out, but the reality is that it was completely up to the coaching staff to bench him and the front office to put him on IR. The only reason to proceed as they did is nonsensical: to make him look bad. Any other competent team would've looked at this situation and said, we've got too much invested in this player to risk any further damage, either physical or to his confidence, so shut him down and try again next year. But not the Browns. So it begs the question: why?
Imagine if the Baker now has a career similar to Brees in New Orleans while Watson gets suspended indefinitely. That would legit be the most Browns outcome ever.
Browns fan here. I will miss baker. We will always have that playoff win. I hope he goes and has a hall of fame career. So long partner
What do think of Watson? I think it's creepy but some people are treating him like a murderer. He didn't force himself on anyone. Idk how I'd feel if he was on my team.
I’ve always thought Baker’s career has played out very similar to Drew Brees’ career. Both had a similar draft profile when they were in college, both were let go by their team due to an injury, and Drew Brees took a historically poverty franchise to a Super Bowl win. I wonder if Baker Mayfield will do the same…
Wow. Even to the point both were traded to an NFC South team.
i wouldn't say the panthers are a historically poverty franchise, they made it to 2 super bowls in the past whereas the saints before brees didn't
Spoiler alert: He won’t.
@@coreylineberry8557 Drew Brees was a free agent not a trade but he was not resigned due to injury. I remember that year it was between the Saints and Dolphins for Brees. He actually wanted to go to the phins but they were worried about the shoulder. They ended up signing Dante Culpepper which was the other big QB that year on the market. Bet they regret that decision something fierce.
Is this satire?
I hope Baker somehow has some insane record-breaking season with the Panthers just for the memes
If you had led a perpetual dumpster fire to their first real success in two decades, play injured to try and help the team (even though he should've sat imo), and then that team trades heaven and earth for a guy who has significant baggage yet also gets all the money, I would feel some type of way.
I hope Matt Rhule doesn't ruin Baker more because I think there's still time for him to become a top 12 QB.
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I agree somewhat, but why wasn't there this much outrage when guys like Jared Goff and Carson Wentz were traded? Arguably their accomplishments shine brighter.
@@hdague1162 because circumstances are different
@@KaxMerg Yeah you're right... Baker didn't accomplish nearly as much as Goff and Wentz did. But it's weird that there still isn't the same amount of uproar.
@@hdague1162 To be fair, when it came to Goff, the Rams were fully in "Win Now" form, and most people thought Goff was the weakest link, so the Rams gambled on the trade for Stafford, and it paid off. As for Wentz, it's a lot trickier. He's been really inconsistent and he's had some issues with injuries. The Eagles went from wining the Super Bowl tow having two average seasons and then a dumpster fire in 2020. They probably figured a full on reset was the only way they were going to get out of it. Considering how Wentz's season with the Colts went, it might have been for the best.
And now he’s a Buc, doing so well for the franchise
He’s thankful to be with Tampa from the sounds of it
Cleveland went from the lovable losers, to the lovable winners, to the NFL's heel in the span of a couple years.
lovable winners to most hated DOMINATORS. the tears of salty NFL fans when they realize the browns are going to destroy their favorite teams for years to come with watson is gonna be oh so yummy
@@SHITSWEEEK The Browns haven't done ANYTHING yet. It's all "on paper". Save the bragging for when you can beat a true contender.
@@SHITSWEEEK Pictured: Being fully tone deaf
@@SHITSWEEEK They're still mid tier lil bro
@@SHITSWEEEK
The only thing the Browns destroy is their credibility as a football team
The front office knew he was hurt.
Why let him play?
That’s the biggest thing for me. We knew the type of man and player he was. He wants to be out there, at all times. Sometimes, people need to be protected from themselves. But it does seem like the Browns were totally fine gambling with his health and career.
I’m a Ravens fan so to a certain degree, I am a Browns fan. But the Browns make it so hard to pull for them. They self sabotage too much.
Going to say, Carolina fleeced Cleveland here.
EDIT: Welp
ooooof. Established Titles. just oooooof.
This doesn't date at all
People always wonder how Browns became a poverty franchise… n then I realize that must be cuz they haven’t been witness to literally any CLE season preBaker
Established Titles is a scam, RIP Lord Tree.
And now his Drew Brees arc has begun, a little later but Cleveland/Carolina’s loss is Tampa Bay’s gain
The Week 1 game of the 2022 NFL season between the Browns and the Panthers will be an interesting watch.
The video that got the ball rolling for Tree: The Browns winless season
How the world always comes full circle
The Winless vid was actually the "revisit" on the Browns. Tree's 1st vid came in the middle of the 1-15 season in 2016.
5:07 I wouldn't call that a mark against Baker or Chad Henne, though. If you remember that game Henne stepped up in a major way when the Chiefs needed him too.
also the early-game touchback (Fumbling the ball in the endzone, the rule I forget until it rears its ugly head.)
Chad Henne is a God. Seriously the guy is clutch everytime Mahomie is out
@@ShudowWolf I call it Fumble 2.0 and on the 33rd anniversary of the original.
On the other hand, if this was in College, this is how it could have gone:
"After reviewing the play, Personal Foul, Targeting! Defense ##. That player has been disqualified. Browns ball half the distance to the goal. Automatic first down."
Born and raised in Cleveland, and been a Browns fan my whole life. I have to say, it's REALLY refreshing to finally hear someone call it like it is. Browns fucked Baker over HARD. I don't blame him one bit for feeling like he was betrayed. Plain and simple, he was. Literally a day before trading for Watson, the front office was in front of reporters saying "Baker's our quarterback." It's bullshit, and it's just further proof that this franchise is a fucking joke and will continue to be a joke as long as Haslam owns the team. At which point, it's a coin flip on whether the successor will be any better.
My prediction for the season? Browns will be basically out of contention before Watson even steps on the field, and he probably won't be any good when he does. They'll put the blame on Stefanski and fire him. Then they'll hire yet another forgettable head coach, who will have a built-in excuse for sucking because once again he'll be saddled with a quarterback he didn't choose and salary cap problems due to all the ridiculous guaranteed money going to Watson. It's just another clusterfuck, and another year wasted. And the Browns deserve it.
But I'm an idiot, too. Because I'll be watching every fucking snap and giving myself an aneurysm every Sunday. We're all masochists here in Cleveland. At least we had the 2016 Cavs? Shame the formerly-Indians had to go and tarnish that year by inverting the Cavs' achievement and choking a 3-1 series lead. We're not allowed to have nice things here. >_
From Warren, Ohio here. It’s just a bunch of self-inflicted wounds year in and year out. And the Browns have no one to blame but themselves.
Cleveland sports fans continue to have the biggest black cloud hanging over them in all of sports.
That NBA championship did not banish it.
@@Zaximillian If anything, it was one of those small holes that pop up in a cloud that allows sunlight to shine through
@@NoahRicks1999 I live in Southington and can confirm. The second half of 2018 and 2020 are probably the best Browns football we'll see for a long time.
@@ironpanther2420 Hey, I actually used to live out in Southington and went to high school there. And I agree with your sentiment about 2018 and 2020. The Factory of Sadness is officially reopening.
This last season is why I've had issues watching the browns and why I won't be watching any browns football this season. Not because of Baker, but because of how the browns handled this whole qb situation.
What got me was the pursuit itself. If we knew that it would be a Hunt situation (8 game suspension) then at least I could gauge the likely result being a Top 10 in '23 and have hope for that season. If Watson doesn't play a down, that'll be 2 _seasons_ of rust. _Maybe_ Watson's elite enough to get past that, but this is a _definitive_ "all-in" push on an underpair or a gut-shot draw. And if it fails, then it's _Haslem_ that needs to go.
Finally here he year he.... Baker Mayfield is out of the factory of sadness
Thank you @Urinatingtree for creating this video
The Baker Mayfield dilemma proves a problem with NFL teams and how they think, they move to fast. It doesn’t matter if you set franchise records or NFL records, if your not one of the games best all it takes is one bad game or season and everyone wants you gone. It doesn’t matter the context, Kyler Murray had a really bad game against the eventual super bowl champs and people wanted him gone, same with Tannehill.
Fans are fickle man I can’t follow more than 1 or 2 fan accounts for my teams because people just turn on a dime with no middle ground depending on how the games going and it makes my head spin
You know how kickers get cut after one bad game? It’s starting to get to the equivalent of that with quarterbacks.
Don't forget Tua
It also varies by organization.
@@djtrankilo231 Tua has been fucked by the dolphins fan base and organization.
People say he can’t throw deep, but the only reason he can’t is because his O-Line gives him no time.
Imagine the level of peaceful protests in Cleveland if Mayfield wins a Superb Owl with the Panthers.
Yeah, I'm sure if he won an Owl that was Superb that would be quite a "Hoot" for those in Cleveland.
@@HypercydeWebdesign 😂 Deadass was about to say the same thing.
I’m thankful you understand the situation and not just blindly calling him shit cause of the narrative
Who's watching this as he's now playing for the LA Rams?
And now he's on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
@@TheGameCube64Guyand beat the NFC Champion Eagles in the wild card playoffs.
As a lifelong Browns fan, i hope the rest of Baker’s career is one long revenge tour
But not against the Bengals.
@@fromthehaven94 He has no need for revenge against the Bengals. He always plays his best against them, and Burrow said some really positive things about Baker during this debacle.
@@davew4939 Hence my comment 🤦♂️
Cleveland's surprised Pikachu reaction to an injured Baker playing poorly is basically identical to the Buffalo Sabres' surprised Pikachu when Jack Eichel failed a physical due to not being allowed to get the surgery he wanted.
As a Sabres fan, I can attest that that appeared to be the reaction by the organization at the time.
In March of 2021, KeyBank Center became the new Factory of Sadness in his opinion. Over a year later, I’d say it’s back to Cleveland because at least the Sabres became a fun watch and have players who are easy to support. They traded Eichel because they were skeptical about playing a guy who wanted a surgery that hadn’t been performed on an NHL player and wasn’t the best influence for the rest of the team.
The Browns traded a quarterback who won big games for them for someone that shouldn’t ever play football again if he truly is a sexual predator. In this case, the Sabres are the team worthy of more respect even if the talent is lacking.
This was all Haslam. If its Stefanski's call hes still on Cleveland for at least the 2022 season.
As a Browns fan, I really do appreciate you making this video. But right now, I'm still unbelievably ticked off. We had a guy who actually WANTED to play for Cleveland and embody the city. A guy who was only improving. A guy who was the *embodiment* of the fire fans were filled with all those year of torment, and we threw him away. There are actually Browns fans saying that Baker's injury didn't affect him (Caugh Caugh Quincy Carrier)! There is a civil war within the community right now, many being on the wrong side. I hope Baker redeems himself and teaches these other toxic Brown's fans a lesson! *We had everything we needed, and we sold our souls to a demon!* For once I'm not only ashamed of the Browns. I'm ashamed of the "fans" as well.
I don't care if baker said he would play through that injury, the browns never should've let him play this year
After seeing how dirty baker was done by the browns I hope he can come back and re bound, dude isint a great QB but I hope he finds success
Same. We know he’s not a “great” but we still don’t know if he’s like middle of the road starter, a career back-up, or if he he’ll even be around in a few years.
I agree, Jared Goff and Carson Wentz too. They got shafted by their teams after an MVP season and Superbowl appearance respectively.
Counterpoint: NOBODY can win you a ring without at least some elite pieces. Not Brady, not Rodgers, not Mahomes (the latter to be proven this year).
The Giants and Eli Manning
The thing is, while nobody can win you a ring without at least some, Baker needed all of them to be elite to lose in the divisional. Top 3 O-line that year. Arguably best RB room in the league, A scheme to play around his strength (Play action pass) and a pretty solid Defense. Sure his WRs weren't the best, but Joe Burrow made it to the Superbowl with a revolving door at O-line.
@@hdague1162 You can’t just say all of that and then add a little “well I guess his WRs weren’t that good” disclaimer at the bottom lol. Who else does a quarterback primarily throw to other than his receivers? How many times a game do you think you could get away with dink and dunking screen passes before the defense adjusts and locks you down?
@@Bheliar I was trying to at least give Baker some credit. He had two 1000 yard receivers in Landry and OBJ, a duo that many QBs would dream of having. Sure, they’re not top 3 in the league, but any good QB can get it done with them.
@@DelGTAGrndrs, the giants defense held the overwhelmingly best offense of the decade to 17 points. All Eli had to do was be mediocre, which he was.
it's funny how I was rooting for the factory of sadness to succeed at least once, then they lost that with one move
The Ballad of Baker continues on with today's win
And now he is in boom or bust Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This will be an exciting season to watch.
Boom
I think it's safe to say, when the Panthers face the Browns week 1, we're going to be rooting for Baker to hang 450 yds and six TDs on the Browns. Because the realization becomes that Cleveland just paid someone 671k to kick their ass which will have made it the most Brown thing of all time.
Baker Mayfield is already gonna be the panther 2nd best qb and yes there’s no competition
2nd? You mean overall? I'd say Delhomme would be 2nd.
Jake delhomme?
@@prabbJacoby Yeah. He led Carolina to a Super Bowl.
L take fr
@@coreylineberry8557 so did Cam
I'm not a Browns fan, but their actions over the past year have still pissed me off. They cannot handle players like OBJ and Baker, they released one of their best wide receivers ever in Jarvis Landry instead working out a contract extension that would keep him around, they traded THREE 1ST ROUND PICKS for a QB who may not even play a game for them this season, and now the future of their franchise is completely uncertain. I used to think the Browns were simply unlucky, that their perpetual futility was a result from terrible ownership. Now I'm starting to think otherwise.
Good job Cleveland, people no longer look at you as the loveable losers.
Cry about it
@@ironbarbz you’ll be crying when the browns go fucking 0-17 and the Watson bullshit blows up in your face
Can we have part 2 of this now that Carolina cut him
It’s weird how while Cleveland has been still struggling, their younger brother in the Bengals have started to build an empire and could win a super bowl if everything goes well
Speaking of Super Bowls last year's Super Bowl was kinda a nightmare for Browns fans.
I wouldn't call the Bengals an empire, that title will always stay with the 2000-2019 Patriots. Also, if the Bengals won the Super Bowl last season, Browns fans would probably kill themselves, and no, that's NOT an exaggeration.
They got lucky that’s all. One year wonder. Won’t see them in the Super Bowl for another 10 years.
@@legocat0306 Luck plays a big part in team sports.
@@legocat0306 Lol yeah you sure know what you're talking about. It's very easy to predict 10 years of any sport, so I'm saying Houston Texans 2023 World Champs, then the Houston Rockets join the league and win and then the Steelers migrate to baseball to win a World Series. Frankly, that's no less ridiculous than what you said. The only part that might have any water holding capability is not seeing the Bengals in a Super Bowl for another 10 years and that's only because it actually is very hard to make it to the dance and is extremely unpredictable so even if the Bengals become a powerhouse for the next decade that doesn't assure them a championship.
Don't speak in absolutes with sports, I can assure you that you will look like a total moron eventually.
The ballad still goes strong XD
This reminds me of the RG3 injury game and how Washington allowed him to keep playing. He was never the same after that
i hope he’s the one to lead carolina to the promised land. i believe he can do it.
When Deshaun plays 0 downs for Cleveland I will laugh my ass off so much
Cope more
I think Baker can still be a good QB once his shoulder heals. I think the Browns made some huge mistakes this off-season. I see the DeShawn Watson deal blowing up on them.
I love watching everyone talk about how shit baker is all season then start talking about how he’s not that bad after all this 💀
Update:
Baker playing well for the Bucs.
Watson is looks awful still.
Browns=poverty
The team does it to themselves along with the Bears.
The Browns are back in the playoffs thanks to Joe Flacco.
If Kevin Stefanski had stepped up and shut Baker down during the season when he was clearly in no condition to perform whatsoever then maybe he’d still be the QB of the browns right now
And when they do that Baker throws a shit fit demanding a trade & the Browns end of Watson anyways.
@@bdawg4231 and he Shoulda called up security to beat the living shit out of Baker
It really is a tale of what happens when an ultra confident/cocky QB ends up with a very dysfunctional franchise and asked to save them.
At least it didn’t go down as badly as Johnny Football did
He was also clearly playing hurt but no one seemed to care about that. He got dumped in the trash like that Woody Toy Story meme.
@@isaacpeachey8609 true
@@philly_sports1558 agreed 110%. This man was screwed from the day he got to Cleveland
@@philly_sports1558 his arrogance cockiness and lack of work ethic kinda soured the mood so much nobody cared when he got hurt
He does get A SECOND CHANCE to correct these errors
The move away from Baker Mayfield to Deshaun Watson has made me quit being a Browns fan
I wonder if Carolina misses him yet
Carolina was a dumpster fire.
@@Jmisaprodriver and now it’s even more of one with their new bust of a qb
@@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK Bryce Young could be good, no way baker looks like 2020 baker after leaving Carolina. Just shows they were the problem.
They do
@@Jmisaprodriver yes but after this year he’s been downgraded to a project qb at best. They should’ve sat him for at least the first half of the year and learned him the playbook. Especially seeing how Andy Dalton has done well on garbage teams his entire career. I guarantee he would’ve done better
I'm in the middle on Baker. He's an average QB. Even his 2020 season when they made the playoffs, he was middle of the pack in the league in terms of yards and TDs. He's definitely an upgrade over Darnold, but who isn't at this point?
The funniest thing is the Browns will pay Baker $588k week 1 to play AGAINST them.
Mayfield is what Kirk Cousins would be if he was that ‘risk taker’ all us Viking fans complain about with him. He’s not bad but he ain’t gonna take ya past more than maybe one playoff game if the moon and stars align.
Who would’ve thought that all your old videos on the Browns would become outdated (after they beat the Steelers in the playoffs), then age like fine wine again with the Baker Mayfield/new QB saga?!
as a browns fan who watched almost every start of baker in NFL i think i'm qualified to say that he is a good QB, just not good enough to take you to the SB.
now you couple that with the fact that baker clearly had lost the locker room, and its easy to understand why the browns wanted to part ways with him
watson may carry huge baggages, but as far as talent, he's much better than baker
Facts
Yeah. After all his time in Minnesota, I think Stefanski decided he liked boring, uninspiring, but consistent QB play. Cousins is his ideal QB, and I can’t think of a QB less like Cousins than Mayfield.
@@davew4939 boring & uninspiring QB play.
DeShaun Watson's QB play.
Pick One.
Or maybe Stefanski didn't have a hand in this one either, meaning he's the next one to go...
I admire his toughness, but man now I gotta root for him after trolling the last 4 years
Soft
Skip to 1:30 if you wanna actually hear him talk about the video title's subject matter... I love Tree, I love FivePoints, I love Tom, I love Brandon, but why they seem to continually feel the need to use minute and a half sponsor spots rather than a decent 30 seconds is beyond me...
I honestly am just trying to look at the positives for this one and just hope Baker can finally just find that skill to become that star the Browns thought they were going to get with the 1st overall pick
thank you, tree. baker is easily the most overhated and one of the most underrated players in the league at this point, including by a large chunk of browns fans (i swear, we have the most kneejerk fanbase in the entire league), all because of one injury-riddled season. i hated how they screwed baker over for a guy with this much alleged baggage (even if it really is merely alleged), and i hope he lands on his feet in carolina and proves the doubters wrong once more
Yeah I'm with you man, I just ended up leaving all the browns fan groups I was in. Rabid AF. If it was anyone other than Watson I wouldn't be as mad but I'm about to buy a Carolina jersey.
You are not making 24 settlements on "merely alleged". You are making settlements on "that did happen, but don't want the public to find out other incriminating stuff I did."
@@philwill0123 Thank you
I want to see Baker Mayfield absolutely destroy the Browns in week 1 and then go to the Cleveland bench to extend out his arm like he wants a handshake before yanking it back and giving the whole organization a DX style crotch chop.
I can’t wait to see all the progressive baker mayfield commercials with the Carolina panthers stadium as his home.
Progressive's contract is for Cleveland's QB, not Baker specifically. Maybe they pivot to Chunt for a year while DeShaun gets his affairs sorted out.
Who wins? No one knows but Robby Anderson loses.
The Ballad of Baker: By Lord Tree, first of his name, Son of the Peeing Willow
Baker is back
In a way, I knew this was going to happen. I wanted Baker put on IR immediately after it was reported what the injury was. Case Keenum was one of the better backups in the league, and I honestly think the Browns have the same record with Keenum as they did with Baker. That’s how bad a torn labrum is. After they did what I knew they would do and panicked for Deshaun Watson, I abandoned them for good. Now I am a simple Lions fan.
_gasp_ Imagine only rooting for one team like 99% of fans! Couldn’t be me!
Baker trying to prove to the Browns he's tough and willing to play through injuries cost him his job... insane...
Honestly they've screwed this man, the Browns. I am disgusted when fans of teams can't see past the stink of their own bias to see when a team has treated a player like trash and I hope Cleveland fans don't blame Mayfield for how things ended up. The team and organization just let him down on several occasions. Sure, he wanted to play, a lot of injured players will try to play through when they shouldn't, but it's down to the management and coaches to decide what's best. And while he certainly drew in a lot of ire at the start of his NFL career, I legitimately think he proved he can be a very good NFL quarter back. Sure, as Tree said, not a force that single handedly wins games but still a very competent QB. And maybe he can grow into something more but at this point it's up in the air after Cleveland just dumped him and allowed him to play through a debilitating injury. Everybody Hurts was definitely the right song choice, Tree.
It’s funny how everyone clowned the browns for having baker and how he held them back. As soon as they get an upgrade they suddenly are bad guys
Nobody would be doing this if one of the other 15 teams that wanted to get Deshaun had ended up with him. Public perception and mob mentality are drugs. None of the other teams would be clowned on
As an Oklahoma fan I hope the Panthers go to the playoffs and the Browns go 0-17
“All I have to say is their blindside tackle was Cam Irvin, a guard converted from center” 🤣🤣
I think he was absolutely the best and right qb to get them out of that miserable slog. Yeah he's abrasive but that's PRECISELY what they needed to get their balls back. I think this will be a wakeup call for him
Even when the Browns are good, the Browns are bad