I think the solution to string pins is for one of our local alleys to make the investment of changing to string pins, bowlers quit going there, and they quickly go out of business. Then we can go back to what has been going on for generations - making bowling better for bowlers.
In my experience, the carry with string pins is less. The strings do put a little drag on them. There is a significant financial incentive for governing bodies and businesses to switch. The maintenance is much less expensive. Strings is where bowling is headed.
I agree. There is still a different feel when bowling on string pins. I do believe we will see them in centers more but I don’t think it will take over the sport.
There was a restaurant chain in Michigan called Bill Knapps. They were in every city and served "home cooked" meals and had been going since the 1940s. Then modern times came and the new management said all our customers are old people (league bowlers), we need to be like the other restaurant chains and quit with the fresh food approach and get a younger clientele (open bowlers). Poof they were gone.
@@bowlwithVALue No it's never a good option it's trash. And if you say, well maybe it's ok in some cases..... Then 10 years from now REAL bowling without strings will be almost extinct because it's more costly. It needs to be outlawed for any sanctioned bowling, period.
When I first heard about string pins being deployed….my first thought was….little to no messengers/wall shots…..and from what I’ve seen so far….this appears to be the case.
@@PinoyBowlerGS92 You are absolutely correct. I started bowling in leagues in 1979. During the 1980s the highest average in my league was 196. Now at age 68 I average 220. There was never a 300 on my leagues until 1998. But now 3 members of my team got 300s this year, one a woman. Back in the 1980s we scored by hand and the speed limit was 55, now it is 75. We aren't going back to the 1980s!
3:07 yeah I can’t do 3 leagues a week on string pins. I get the cost for 2 good mechanics . I went to the center to bowl with some friends and it cost them 75.00 one slice of pizza and a coke it cost me 15$ a game. All that money they make and won’t hire a mechanic? Hum
Last fall, my league's bowling center got string pins for the first time. And although I was aware of the competition/regulation mode (longer) strings vs the open bowl shorter ones, my understanding of their effect on pin carry was backwards. Whereas I thought that longer strings would more closely resemble freefalling pins, this season my average and that of many others here has taken a big hit. But over the holiday, I practiced in open bowl string mode, and my scores that day were way up due to better overall pin carry. So, I'm looking forward to your next video in open bowl mode with shorter strings to see if the pins are more forgiving for you too.
That was my thought too. After bowling on both modes, I think USBC Competition is a lot more challenging. You will for sure see a difference in next weeks video!
I ten pinned with the ball change too. The USBC competition mode was more challenging to strike. High flush hits worked best but still were not guaranteed.
Our league's center went string just over a month ago, averages took an immediate hit, due to extra corner pon leaves. Hoping they'll loosen up but the entry angle is critical so id have loved to hear more about when to just move, change loft, or change ball to something different and why. Hmmmm
I don’t think there is a trick to strike more often on string pins. Just tricks to hit the pocket more flush. Those seemed to help carry. Check out Sundays video at 6pm to see the difference in carry on the casual mode!
We dont have string pin here, and actually first time i heard of there are different mode. It will be interesting to see the next epiosde how is the difference and hope to hear your thoughts about should string pins center be used for hosting professional events, great video !
The next episode on casual mode is different for sure. I’m all for professional events hosted at string in centers as long as it’s in the USBC approval mode.
I understand why some lanes have string pins. I believe there should be two separate stats for bowling and averages. String pins have to be looked at differently.
There has been research done in the difference between the two. And a year long study by the USBC about the difference and the findings were that there was little to no difference between the two. And no change in average with the bowler. I have personal experience with both and found only slight differences. But not enough to alter my average at all and the weird leaves you get in free fall are different from the leaves you get in string pins. If that makes sense.
I bowled on string pins for the first time ever yesterday!! My opinion was skewed on them because the lane was last oiled December 15th. I hooked the whole lane with a house ball, they seemed fine.
There are pros and cons for all styles of pins. They seemed harder to carry on the USBC competition mode. But I could have just not had the right ball option in my hand at the time. Sundays video will be enlightening!
For me getting the ball to go straight when I needed to in order to make spares was vastly different than it is for pro bowlers today. Also I was as bowler that had a very unusual style of bowling. Instead of having different balls for different conditions and setups my solution was very unique. It was based on the fact that my talent is copying physical movement that I see others doing. So what I did was copied the styles of a variety of professional bowlers. Ones like Mark Roth, Earl Anthony (right hand), Dick Weber, Marshall Holman, Wayne Webb, etc... Each style gave me what I needed at the time I was using it. If I needed more break point control I went with Earl Anthony. If I needed less hook I used Dick Weber. For straight ball shot I developed my version of Marshall Holman's shot of topping the ball that worked for me even though It wasn't a truly accurate copy of his way of getting the ball to go straight it still worked for me.
I can definitely see how being able to copy other bowlers' styles would be helpful, especially back when you didn't have as much technology and ball choices!
I believe that string pins are horrible. The thing that I have noticed in watching videos on string pins is that they are extremely quiet. Nice video. In my next of the woods mid Atlantic states is that it is hard to get mechanics. It is a cost thing for centers also. Bill
I noticed how quiet they were from the first shot. It was nice. No loud ear piercing noise as soon as you walk in. Good mechanics are getting harder to come by.
I have been following this for some time now. String pins are very different than free fall period. Unfortunately it is a matter of cost. Our center owner explained to me that he can not get parts for the setters, they are not making new setters ( can’t verify that), the cost to put new free fall setters in is almost a million dollars and would take many years to get back and lastly he can not find competent mechanics and pay them enough to keep them. Open bowling and leagues just don’t bring enough in. Fortunately he just put in a bar and Fridays and Saturday nights help a lot. I asked him honestly what supports the place. He said drinks and the kiddie game room.
@ BTW, I tend to watch you bowl a lot. My style of bowling is more like yours that most of the male bowlers. So I get much more useful information from you as well as a lot of other women bowlers. I’m proud to say, I bowl like the ladies! I personally feel where a lot of the guys rely on revs and speed, the ladies rely on accuracy and repeatability. Also I wear a wrist support. I have pigeon wrists. No matter of work outs will keep my wrist from wobbling. So when I see many of my favorite women bowlers using them and my male bowlers eschew them, I laugh. I always say to them “ what scores are you postin”. Now you don’t use one. But I feel you would not laugh at us who do. Anyway, thanks for your videos.
I couldn’t care less about strings vs free fall. String pins being certified is just USBC in survival mode. If USBC said no certification, bowling proprietors would say Bye Bye USBC. Anyways, my issue is bowlers trying to communicate by using the word “energy” There is a way to compute the energy in the ball at release using velocity, rev rate, and mass of the ball. Likewise energy can be determine as the ball enters the pins using the same formula. You will find there is no appreciable loss of energy on good or bad shots. If using up energy where the problem, the solution should be throw the ball with more energy.
Hey Jim! Yes, there were two modes on these string pin machines. This was a full game on the USBC certified mode. Sunday at 6pm is a full game on the casual play mode.
@bowlwithVALue thanks Val I didn't realize there was a difference in length of the strings for competition or just regular League thank you for clarifying
The FACT that Bowlero owns the PBA and is mandating PBA bowlers can’t say anything negative about them is proof enough. This is all about saving the largest bowling alley chain some money by converting to them has nothing to with making the game better. Bowlers throwing 450 + revs at 19 miles an hour creat me so much pin reaction that can’t never be reproduced when the pins are attached to something that inhibits that free-fall action.
Bowlero gets blamed for a lot of things. Some claims are accurate and others are just nonsense. String pins are a response to the industry as a whole looking for cost savings. Plain and simple. Bowlero owns 15% of the bowling centers in the world. The other 85% are still independently owned. Bowlero doesn't have enough power to "force" this kind of change in an entire industry. The independents are going this direction as well simply to survive.
@ Bowlero owns the PBA. I’d say that gives them plenty of power to make changes to it and the game. It creates a conflict of interest. They own AMF who is sponsoring the string pins during the PBA events and then by making the Pros bowl on them this will help to introduce them to people in a way that says they are okay. Like I said, this isn’t about making the game better, It’s about saving money. How about the PBA/Bowlero find more sponsors, create better content on SM platforms and promote their brand and players to larger audiences. Right now the individual players are doing more for the popularity and growth of bowling than the PBA. They are creating better content for their consumers than the PBA itself. Why not tap into that online presence. Honestly someone needs to create a competitor to the PBA like LIV did for the PGA. I get that the normal open play bowler doesn’t care about string pins vs free-fall and that string pins aren’t going away. I’m just saying that we can’t pretend it’s making the game better when knowing that it’s just to save money so that bowling alleys can stay open. It’s simply not a good look for Pros to bowl on these and act like there’s no difference between the two. I was at a PBA over/under 50 tournament and none of the open bowlers even knew that legends of the game were bowling right there in the same house. Like WRW and Simonsen to name a couple. I’d say that’s what’s broken with the PBA and the game. Bowl TV wasn’t even there. These are just my thoughts because I care about the health and growth of the game on a professional level.
My husband has higher speed and is a high rev player and he didn’t get the messengers that he would typically get. He would roll a 9 pin here and there but no real flyers.
I don't know Valerie, I may not understand this tech but I have a feeling league bowlers will hate this technology. Any time you can tweak the pin fall from recreational to competitive, it opens the door to issues. I know guys still fighting the battle over wood pins compared to plastic pins. I hope you guys dont hit to many houses with these adjustable string pin machines.
I am on a very competitive league where our 200 bowlers average in the 200s ($20k for first place, paid waiting list to join). String pins would turn us into a recreational league. Our Bowlero makes so much money off our league from linage and $8 beers. If they changed to string pins we would immediately move houses and their profits would plummet.
It’s really interesting. I would say I noticed a difference between the competitive setting and the open play setting….although I switched balls so that played a role. I’d bowl league on these for sure 😆 if everyone is experiencing the differences, that should make it fair right? I didn’t get a chance to shoot splits, but apparently the USBC certified mode doesn’t allow the strings to help with split conversions (the strings definitely helped when I bowled on them at Nebraska)
@@bowlwithVALue I have been bowling on leagues since 1979 and average around 220. String pins aren't for league bowlers but are fine for open bowlers who use alley balls and rent shoes. If that is the kind of customers alleys want, rather than bowlers who are guaranteed to show up every week for years, then they should convert to string pins and see how it goes.
String pins are a joke. Pin reaction is totally different. I've seen several videos of cameras facing the pit showing the strings pins already moving getting tangled with other sting pins not hit and knocking them down. Their will always be resistance to get a true pin reaction.
I agree that there will always be resistance to emulating true free fall. But this USBC conception mode was pretty close to the real thing. I would imagine it gets better than it is over time.
HPL/SPLs SUCK! I leave so many more 10 pins at my main house compared to wood lanes and Anvilanes. Wed night I went 11/14 on 10 pins. I moved around a bit no difference. Nights like that either I gotta put a lot of hand in it or just pick up my spares...
I enjoy both if I am being honest. I grew up on free fall so that’s where my heart will be. Both have their drawbacks respectively. I enjoyed bowling on both modes of string pin. My take is if they are more difficult carry on USBC competition than they will be for all bowlers. In my opinion there are three types of bowlers. Those that like them. Those that don’t and those that don’t care!
Personally, I think string pins are garbage. The idea of bowling is to knock down pins, not pins with something attached to them. For anyone who says the strings don't affect it, they are lying to themselves. Also, no messengers kind of ruins it for me.
I was surprised bowling on these. Im a fan of free fall as that is what I grew up bowling on. But, things change. After a few frames I kind of forgot I was bowling on string pins tbh.
I can understand that as you are a professional and definitely strike more than league bowlers, but at the end of the day, the explosion and messengers are just not there. I believe that’s part of the enjoyment.
@@bowlwithVALue. I enjoy your videos, I’ve always preferred watching seniors pros and women pros because y’all throw the ball like humans and not high rev high speed maniacs 😂.. people forget bowling centers have to pay mechanics and string pins will cut down on costs for centers. The center I bowl at has had trouble keeping help and they have been offering decent salaries to their mechanics. At the end of the day, it does come down to profitability for the business and if centers aren’t profitable then they can’t stay open. I very much prefer free fall and so does the center management, but if the lane breaks down 😬
@@dfthomas11 Not if the dedicated fans quit watching (46 years for me). It is easier for alleys to replace league bowlers with open bowlers than it is for the PBA to replace PBA fans with non-PBA fans. We will see if strings pins are used for anything but fake "experimental" tournaments.
Guys ur lucky coz in usa bowling is a popular sport, here in my country nobody gives a sht about it people just play it randomly so in the past years so many centers switched to stringpins. It's not easy to find people able to repair those machines, i worked 7 months as a mechanic then the center switched to those garbage string pins.... pin carry scks so much!!
String pins just dont carry the same. I guess they are fine for non tournament situations, but i think their different reaction to the ball & to gravity should keep them out of competitive bowling situations. As someone who has been bowling since they were a little kid, the difference was immediately obvious....i knew something was off before i knew it was because of string pins. Its just too big an effect on the game to ignore, and should be used.......SPARE-ingly. See what i did there...
I see what you did there! The game is changing and USBC is adapting to the change. This isn’t a permanent change for all centers. Just a viable option for those that need more reliability.
I prefer the crazy Tarzan strings that get pins swinging all over the place and knocking everything down with ease. I mean, if you are going to bowl on strings you might as well bowl in carnival sideshow mode.
These string pins don't seem to move around on the deck much, they just fall back into the pit' Not the same as free fall pins, didn't see a messenger not one. And what pin fell in the fourth frame between ball 1 and ball 2? Nice vid, but I hope string pins are a not to soon passing fad, afraid they'll make bowling more of a dying sport than video games.
Especially not on this mode. I think that was the 2-8 frame? The 5 pin slid between the 2-8 and didn’t trip either one. Seemed like a typical leave I would see on free fall pins
I hate string pins. Is this the usbc way of cutting down on honor scores? There's no pin action no messengers they thud when you hit them. If the usbc wants to lose more bowlers and have leagues the priorities center and close down centers due to no business this would be sad. I do blame the usbc for this garbage. I see my balls and shoes possibly not being used again. Hope this doesn't happen nationwide
I don’t think this will be a nationwide change. There are a lot of people against them. USBC is doing what they can to help approve string pins closest to free fall. Tune in Sunday at 6pm to see the difference from USBC competition mode to casual play mode.
Who cares where you're standing and throwing. Completely irrelevant. Even if I were there bowling as well. Where you're playing makes zero difference to me, especially since the point of the video is string pins. Also not being able to change hand positions? You think that you shouldn't have to learn that? What?
IF we want to see bowling continue, we will have to accept some level of change/innovation. Strings save the centers a lot of money. Way too many centers closing, it's all about economic viability.
You can tell me Diet Coke tastes OK and that I should drink it. But that is never going to happen. So don't plan on making any money off of me buying that garbage.
In golf, driver technology helps you hit the ball farther and straighter. They combat that by making fairways longer and slimmer. Unfortunately, there isn’t much you can change in the bowling industry.
I just like to make sure I am thorough and share my thoughts. Especially on videos like these. All levels of bowlers are watching so it’s better to share more than not enough in my opinion!
I’m a one handed bowler. I don’t mind the two handed bowlers tbh. A lot of guys are very good at it. I’m not opposed to strings if it can keep the game alive and cost less for owners of bowling houses to stay afloat then I’m all for it.
@@garybryant19 Not the case here in the Philippines. All of our centers are still running free fall pinsetters and none of them struggle to keep open. Face it, if malls in America were struggling to keep open, so does Bowling Centers. My home country has the exact opposite scenario with the malls here booming and because of that, most Bowling Centers were built inside of them.
@@garybryant19No, two-handed is totally acceptable because it complies with the rules of bowling. Plus it is really fun to beat strong young two-handed bowlers at age 68. Before we start they size me up and say to themselves this is going to be easy.
There are still plenty of competitive 1 handed bowlers. Also after bowling on string pins in the USBC mode, I’m not sure either would have an advantage over the other.
The plastic coating on pins introduced in the mid 1950’s created livelier pin action. I wonder what the consensus was at that time amongst bowlers who had to adapt to the change. In my opinion, that timeframe was when messengers were created.
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I think the solution to string pins is for one of our local alleys to make the investment of changing to string pins, bowlers quit going there, and they quickly go out of business. Then we can go back to what has been going on for generations - making bowling better for bowlers.
Happy New Year to you, your hubby, your dad & Joanne!!!
Happy New Year to you and yours too! 🎉
Where’s my pair of scissors ✂️. Time to snip those strings.
😂. Bring the pin boys back!
Great video Val. I agree with you on the 10 pins. Same reason why I have a plastic ball for my corner pins.
Im a great 10 pin spare shooter….when I have plastic in my hands!
In my experience, the carry with string pins is less. The strings do put a little drag on them. There is a significant financial incentive for governing bodies and businesses to switch. The maintenance is much less expensive. Strings is where bowling is headed.
I agree. There is still a different feel when bowling on string pins. I do believe we will see them in centers more but I don’t think it will take over the sport.
Yay! Finally get to see the Hitter pearl in your hands!
I brought it here to leave here so when I come down I don’t have to lug balls around. But this one might come back with me!
There was a restaurant chain in Michigan called Bill Knapps. They were in every city and served "home cooked" meals and had been going since the 1940s. Then modern times came and the new management said all our customers are old people (league bowlers), we need to be like the other restaurant chains and quit with the fresh food approach and get a younger clientele (open bowlers). Poof they were gone.
It's tough to see a business change their core offerings, especially when they have a loyal base of customers.
I want to see your dad, John, shoot a full game on the string/puppet pins & give a review!!! LOL
He might be too honest. 😂
If freefall centers vanish I'll walk away from bowling.
Yeah, I'm with you,because it's not Bowling anymore! 😠
Same
I don’t think these will take over every center. But it’s a good option for some.
@@bowlwithVALue No it's never a good option it's trash.
And if you say, well maybe it's ok in some cases..... Then 10 years from now REAL bowling without strings will be almost extinct because it's more costly. It needs to be outlawed for any sanctioned bowling, period.
I’m sure the game will continue without you, please shut the door on your way out.
You would be a blast to practice with!!! Wish I could of seen you on tour!
I will be bowling a few stops this upcoming season. Maybe we can get that practice session in!
When I first heard about string pins being deployed….my first thought was….little to no messengers/wall shots…..and from what I’ve seen so far….this appears to be the case.
Good. More like carry when I bowled in the 70's and 80's.
@@Swamprowdy We're not dragging this sport backward. Today is 2024, not the 70's
@@PinoyBowlerGS92 You are absolutely correct. I started bowling in leagues in 1979. During the 1980s the highest average in my league was 196. Now at age 68 I average 220. There was never a 300 on my leagues until 1998. But now 3 members of my team got 300s this year, one a woman. Back in the 1980s we scored by hand and the speed limit was 55, now it is 75. We aren't going back to the 1980s!
@@PinoyBowlerGS92 right
3:07 yeah I can’t do 3 leagues a week on string pins. I get the cost for 2 good mechanics . I went to the center to bowl with some friends and it cost them 75.00 one slice of pizza and a coke it cost me 15$ a game. All that money they make and won’t hire a mechanic? Hum
Last fall, my league's bowling center got string pins for the first time. And although I was aware of the competition/regulation mode (longer) strings vs the open bowl shorter ones, my understanding of their effect on pin carry was backwards. Whereas I thought that longer strings would more closely resemble freefalling pins, this season my average and that of many others here has taken a big hit. But over the holiday, I practiced in open bowl string mode, and my scores that day were way up due to better overall pin carry. So, I'm looking forward to your next video in open bowl mode with shorter strings to see if the pins are more forgiving for you too.
That was my thought too. After bowling on both modes, I think USBC Competition is a lot more challenging. You will for sure see a difference in next weeks video!
String pins in bowling is equivalent to flag football in the NFL
😂To be fair, in this mode, you’re only wearing one flag. 😅
More power to you. I would have ball changed after leaving back-to-back ten pins.
I ten pinned with the ball change too. The USBC competition mode was more challenging to strike. High flush hits worked best but still were not guaranteed.
Our league's center went string just over a month ago, averages took an immediate hit, due to extra corner pon leaves. Hoping they'll loosen up but the entry angle is critical so id have loved to hear more about when to just move, change loft, or change ball to something different and why. Hmmmm
I don’t think there is a trick to strike more often on string pins. Just tricks to hit the pocket more flush. Those seemed to help carry. Check out Sundays video at 6pm to see the difference in carry on the casual mode!
We dont have string pin here, and actually first time i heard of there are different mode. It will be interesting to see the next epiosde how is the difference and hope to hear your thoughts about should string pins center be used for hosting professional events, great video !
The next episode on casual mode is different for sure. I’m all for professional events hosted at string in centers as long as it’s in the USBC approval mode.
I understand why some lanes have string pins. I believe there should be two separate stats for bowling and averages. String pins have to be looked at differently.
There has been research done in the difference between the two. And a year long study by the USBC about the difference and the findings were that there was little to no difference between the two. And no change in average with the bowler. I have personal experience with both and found only slight differences. But not enough to alter my average at all and the weird leaves you get in free fall are different from the leaves you get in string pins. If that makes sense.
@@boomboomborrello Thanks for the info! I appreciate your response.
I thought the same until I bowled on the certified mode. Tune in Sunday at 6pm to see the difference in modes.
I bowled on string pins for the first time ever yesterday!! My opinion was skewed on them because the lane was last oiled December 15th. I hooked the whole lane with a house ball, they seemed fine.
There are pros and cons for all styles of pins. They seemed harder to carry on the USBC competition mode. But I could have just not had the right ball option in my hand at the time. Sundays video will be enlightening!
For me getting the ball to go straight when I needed to in order to make spares was vastly different than it is for pro bowlers today. Also I was as bowler that had a very unusual style of bowling. Instead of having different balls for different conditions and setups my solution was very unique. It was based on the fact that my talent is copying physical movement that I see others doing. So what I did was copied the styles of a variety of professional bowlers. Ones like Mark Roth, Earl Anthony (right hand), Dick Weber, Marshall Holman, Wayne Webb, etc... Each style gave me what I needed at the time I was using it. If I needed more break point control I went with Earl Anthony. If I needed less hook I used Dick Weber. For straight ball shot I developed my version of Marshall Holman's shot of topping the ball that worked for me even though It wasn't a truly accurate copy of his way of getting the ball to go straight it still worked for me.
I can definitely see how being able to copy other bowlers' styles would be helpful, especially back when you didn't have as much technology and ball choices!
I believe that string pins are horrible. The thing that I have noticed in watching videos on string pins is that they are extremely quiet. Nice video. In my next of the woods mid Atlantic states is that it is hard to get mechanics. It is a cost thing for centers also. Bill
I noticed how quiet they were from the first shot. It was nice. No loud ear piercing noise as soon as you walk in. Good mechanics are getting harder to come by.
I have been following this for some time now. String pins are very different than free fall period. Unfortunately it is a matter of cost. Our center owner explained to me that he can not get parts for the setters, they are not making new setters ( can’t verify that), the cost to put new free fall setters in is almost a million dollars and would take many years to get back and lastly he can not find competent mechanics and pay them enough to keep them. Open bowling and leagues just don’t bring enough in. Fortunately he just put in a bar and Fridays and Saturday nights help a lot. I asked him honestly what supports the place. He said drinks and the kiddie game room.
Very well explained. I believe this to be true for lots of centers. Not all, but some.
@ BTW, I tend to watch you bowl a lot. My style of bowling is more like yours that most of the male bowlers. So I get much more useful information from you as well as a lot of other women bowlers. I’m proud to say, I bowl like the ladies! I personally feel where a lot of the guys rely on revs and speed, the ladies rely on accuracy and repeatability. Also I wear a wrist support. I have pigeon wrists. No matter of work outs will keep my wrist from wobbling. So when I see many of my favorite women bowlers using them and my male bowlers eschew them, I laugh. I always say to them “ what scores are you postin”. Now you don’t use one. But I feel you would not laugh at us who do. Anyway, thanks for your videos.
Need to see a bowler that throws very hard to see if the pins will wrap around the strings.
My husband throws it faster with a higher rev rate and he had a few “taps” but still left a couple solid 9 pins as well.
I couldn’t care less about strings vs free fall. String pins being certified is just USBC in survival mode. If USBC said no certification, bowling proprietors would say Bye Bye USBC.
Anyways, my issue is bowlers trying to communicate by using the word “energy”
There is a way to compute the energy in the ball at release using velocity, rev rate, and mass of the ball.
Likewise energy can be determine as the ball enters the pins using the same formula.
You will find there is no appreciable loss of energy on good or bad shots.
If using up energy where the problem, the solution should be throw the ball with more energy.
It is interesting to think about the energy transfer within the pins! Not many people pay attention to that.
@ it’s momentum transfer.
Since it’s not an elastic collision, energy is lost to heat and sound as the ball impacts pins and pins impact pins.
Interesting take!
Hey Val what do you mean by saying that you'll have different options with string pins how do they make them easier to fall? Jim
She explained it in the video. The string length changes depending on the mode.
Hey Jim! Yes, there were two modes on these string pin machines. This was a full game on the USBC certified mode. Sunday at 6pm is a full game on the casual play mode.
@bowlwithVALue thanks Val I didn't realize there was a difference in length of the strings for competition or just regular League thank you for clarifying
The FACT that Bowlero owns the PBA and is mandating PBA bowlers can’t say anything negative about them is proof enough. This is all about saving the largest bowling alley chain some money by converting to them has nothing to with making the game better. Bowlers throwing 450 + revs at 19 miles an hour creat me so much pin reaction that can’t never be reproduced when the pins are attached to something that inhibits that free-fall action.
Bowlero gets blamed for a lot of things. Some claims are accurate and others are just nonsense. String pins are a response to the industry as a whole looking for cost savings. Plain and simple. Bowlero owns 15% of the bowling centers in the world. The other 85% are still independently owned. Bowlero doesn't have enough power to "force" this kind of change in an entire industry. The independents are going this direction as well simply to survive.
@ Bowlero owns the PBA. I’d say that gives them plenty of power to make changes to it and the game. It creates a conflict of interest. They own AMF who is sponsoring the string pins during the PBA events and then by making the Pros bowl on them this will help to introduce them to people in a way that says they are okay. Like I said, this isn’t about making the game better, It’s about saving money. How about the PBA/Bowlero find more sponsors, create better content on SM platforms and promote their brand and players to larger audiences. Right now the individual players are doing more for the popularity and growth of bowling than the PBA. They are creating better content for their consumers than the PBA itself. Why not tap into that online presence. Honestly someone needs to create a competitor to the PBA like LIV did for the PGA. I get that the normal open play bowler doesn’t care about string pins vs free-fall and that string pins aren’t going away. I’m just saying that we can’t pretend it’s making the game better when knowing that it’s just to save money so that bowling alleys can stay open. It’s simply not a good look for Pros to bowl on these and act like there’s no difference between the two. I was at a PBA over/under 50 tournament and none of the open bowlers even knew that legends of the game were bowling right there in the same house. Like WRW and Simonsen to name a couple. I’d say that’s what’s broken with the PBA and the game. Bowl TV wasn’t even there. These are just my thoughts because I care about the health and growth of the game on a professional level.
My husband has higher speed and is a high rev player and he didn’t get the messengers that he would typically get. He would roll a 9 pin here and there but no real flyers.
I don't know Valerie, I may not understand this tech but I have a feeling league bowlers will hate this technology. Any time you can tweak the pin fall from recreational to competitive, it opens the door to issues. I know guys still fighting the battle over wood pins compared to plastic pins. I hope you guys dont hit to many houses with these adjustable string pin machines.
I am on a very competitive league where our 200 bowlers average in the 200s ($20k for first place, paid waiting list to join). String pins would turn us into a recreational league. Our Bowlero makes so much money off our league from linage and $8 beers. If they changed to string pins we would immediately move houses and their profits would plummet.
It’s really interesting. I would say I noticed a difference between the competitive setting and the open play setting….although I switched balls so that played a role.
I’d bowl league on these for sure 😆 if everyone is experiencing the differences, that should make it fair right?
I didn’t get a chance to shoot splits, but apparently the USBC certified mode doesn’t allow the strings to help with split conversions (the strings definitely helped when I bowled on them at Nebraska)
@@bowlwithVALue I have been bowling on leagues since 1979 and average around 220. String pins aren't for league bowlers but are fine for open bowlers who use alley balls and rent shoes. If that is the kind of customers alleys want, rather than bowlers who are guaranteed to show up every week for years, then they should convert to string pins and see how it goes.
League bowlers will bitch and complain about anything and everything, so there’s always that.
String pins are a joke. Pin reaction is totally different. I've seen several videos of cameras facing the pit showing the strings pins already moving getting tangled with other sting pins not hit and knocking them down. Their will always be resistance to get a true pin reaction.
I agree that there will always be resistance to emulating true free fall. But this USBC conception mode was pretty close to the real thing. I would imagine it gets better than it is over time.
Competition mode*
Very intereSTRING carry!!!
Or lack there of. It was hard to STRING a few strikes together!
@@bowlwithVALue Can you call a bunch of strikes in a row a STRING on string pins??? Asking for a friend.
HPL/SPLs SUCK! I leave so many more 10 pins at my main house compared to wood lanes and Anvilanes. Wed night I went 11/14 on 10 pins. I moved around a bit no difference. Nights like that either I gotta put a lot of hand in it or just pick up my spares...
You're kinda good!
Aww thank you!
Well, Valerie, do you like string pins or free fall pins???
I enjoy both if I am being honest. I grew up on free fall so that’s where my heart will be. Both have their drawbacks respectively. I enjoyed bowling on both modes of string pin. My take is if they are more difficult carry on USBC competition than they will be for all bowlers. In my opinion there are three types of bowlers. Those that like them. Those that don’t and those that don’t care!
Personally, I think string pins are garbage. The idea of bowling is to knock down pins, not pins with something attached to them. For anyone who says the strings don't affect it, they are lying to themselves. Also, no messengers kind of ruins it for me.
Not to mention, Strings are incapable for Out of Range Pins
I've noticed that is very difficult to trip 4/6 pins with strings, high shots almost leave them every time
I was surprised bowling on these. Im a fan of free fall as that is what I grew up bowling on. But, things change. After a few frames I kind of forgot I was bowling on string pins tbh.
I can understand that as you are a professional and definitely strike more than league bowlers, but at the end of the day, the explosion and messengers are just not there. I believe that’s part of the enjoyment.
@@bowlwithVALue. I enjoy your videos, I’ve always preferred watching seniors pros and women pros because y’all throw the ball like humans and not high rev high speed maniacs 😂.. people forget bowling centers have to pay mechanics and string pins will cut down on costs for centers. The center I bowl at has had trouble keeping help and they have been offering decent salaries to their mechanics. At the end of the day, it does come down to profitability for the business and if centers aren’t profitable then they can’t stay open. I very much prefer free fall and so does the center management, but if the lane breaks down 😬
It is just so quiet!
Probably my favorite part!
Nice to see a PWBA member at the house.
Honest review. They’re here to stay
No thanks, I'll never bowl on carnival game pins. Utter garbage and so is anyone who accepts them
We love Lehigh lanes. String pins and all! Thanks for tuning in.
@@wunderlichx , I guess that includes everyone in the PBA. Both tours will be bowling in houses that have string pins.
@@dfthomas11 Not if the dedicated fans quit watching (46 years for me). It is easier for alleys to replace league bowlers with open bowlers than it is for the PBA to replace PBA fans with non-PBA fans. We will see if strings pins are used for anything but fake "experimental" tournaments.
You're not lofting unless you're Dennis Bush lofting!!!
Now that’s loft!
@@bowlwithVALue A ball can't hook in the air!!!
Guys ur lucky coz in usa bowling is a popular sport, here in my country nobody gives a sht about it people just play it randomly so in the past years so many centers switched to stringpins. It's not easy to find people able to repair those machines, i worked 7 months as a mechanic then the center switched to those garbage string pins.... pin carry scks so much!!
We are lucky to have bowling still important here. Youth bowling is at an all time high.
Interesting you said carry stinks. Do you have both options?
Pins are not free to travel and spin with strings attached.
In this mode they are a bit more challenging. Did you see the newest video on casual mode!?
Show some mesaengers. These pins are not the same.
I would need to increase my speed 3-5 mph and my rev rate by 200 revs to get anything really flying.
Not a fan of string pins! 😠
A lot of people seem to not be. But I think if you bowl on the USBC approval mode you would be surprised.
is it just me or is it absoloutley gross when people lick their shoe?
Thankfully I don’t lick my shoe. Hot air in to the hand and a quick wipe of the shoe is good enough for me.
String pins just dont carry the same. I guess they are fine for non tournament situations, but i think their different reaction to the ball & to gravity should keep them out of competitive bowling situations. As someone who has been bowling since they were a little kid, the difference was immediately obvious....i knew something was off before i knew it was because of string pins. Its just too big an effect on the game to ignore, and should be used.......SPARE-ingly. See what i did there...
I see what you did there! The game is changing and USBC is adapting to the change. This isn’t a permanent change for all centers. Just a viable option for those that need more reliability.
I prefer the crazy Tarzan strings that get pins swinging all over the place and knocking everything down with ease.
I mean, if you are going to bowl on strings you might as well bowl in carnival sideshow mode.
It is funny to watch pins fall that shouldn’t. But it didn’t happen much on this USBC competition mode.
@@bowlwithVALue Much? So you are saying there was still weirdness?
Not as much on this mode. Sunday’s video may be a little different!
These string pins don't seem to move around on the deck much, they just fall back into the pit' Not the same as free fall pins, didn't see a messenger not one. And what pin fell in the fourth frame between ball 1 and ball 2? Nice vid, but I hope string pins are a not to soon passing fad, afraid they'll make bowling more of a dying sport than video games.
Especially not on this mode. I think that was the 2-8 frame? The 5 pin slid between the 2-8 and didn’t trip either one. Seemed like a typical leave I would see on free fall pins
Can’t stand the look of string pins.. sorry
No need to be sorry. I get it. After a few games I forgot they were event there tbh
Answer: NO. Should be banned for anything but open play.
Even if it’s on USBC competition mode and all competitors are bowling on the same regulation?
@ Yep
I hate string pins. Is this the usbc way of cutting down on honor scores? There's no pin action no messengers they thud when you hit them. If the usbc wants to lose more bowlers and have leagues the priorities center and close down centers due to no business this would be sad. I do blame the usbc for this garbage. I see my balls and shoes possibly not being used again. Hope this doesn't happen nationwide
I don’t think this will be a nationwide change. There are a lot of people against them. USBC is doing what they can to help approve string pins closest to free fall. Tune in Sunday at 6pm to see the difference from USBC competition mode to casual play mode.
Who cares where you're standing and throwing. Completely irrelevant. Even if I were there bowling as well. Where you're playing makes zero difference to me, especially since the point of the video is string pins. Also not being able to change hand positions? You think that you shouldn't have to learn that? What?
Well, this video wasn’t for you then. Moving on!
IF we want to see bowling continue, we will have to accept some level of change/innovation. Strings save the centers a lot of money. Way too many centers closing, it's all about economic viability.
I believe the idea was to save money for bowling centers by reducing the cost of repair and parts.
You can tell me Diet Coke tastes OK and that I should drink it. But that is never going to happen. So don't plan on making any money off of me buying that garbage.
😂 To each his own I guess! 💁🏼♀️
String pins are an abomination
In golf, driver technology helps you hit the ball farther and straighter. They combat that by making fairways longer and slimmer. Unfortunately, there isn’t much you can change in the bowling industry.
Shes a talker!
I just like to make sure I am thorough and share my thoughts. Especially on videos like these. All levels of bowlers are watching so it’s better to share more than not enough in my opinion!
This string pins is Shit bowling
What do you feel makes it that way?
String pins never leave out of range pins.
That isn't a real problem.
What’s even better is there was never a pin off spot.
I think there will be more 300's
There won't be. Strike percentage is slightly less on strings vs freefall.
Time will tell!
No to strings and No to 2 handed bowling.
I’m a one handed bowler. I don’t mind the two handed bowlers tbh. A lot of guys are very good at it. I’m not opposed to strings if it can keep the game alive and cost less for owners of bowling houses to stay afloat then I’m all for it.
@@garybryant19 Not the case here in the Philippines. All of our centers are still running free fall pinsetters and none of them struggle to keep open. Face it, if malls in America were struggling to keep open, so does Bowling Centers. My home country has the exact opposite scenario with the malls here booming and because of that, most Bowling Centers were built inside of them.
@@garybryant19No, two-handed is totally acceptable because it complies with the rules of bowling. Plus it is really fun to beat strong young two-handed bowlers at age 68. Before we start they size me up and say to themselves this is going to be easy.
There are still plenty of competitive 1 handed bowlers. Also after bowling on string pins in the USBC mode, I’m not sure either would have an advantage over the other.
They for sure efffect the game no more free fall pins better get usee to strings hitting and wrapping around other pins
It didn’t happen that much in UBSC competition mode. They seemed to play fair. Casual play mode was interesting. Video out Sunday at 6pm!
Whoever decided to put ropes and cables on pins, prob never even played the game what losers
The typical 3 wood now a days is comparable to what a driver was back in the 80’s. In some aspects, you could say the same about golf.
Hell no there not thye ruined the game the pins no longer have natural movement biggest waste of money ever
The plastic coating on pins introduced in the mid 1950’s created livelier pin action. I wonder what the consensus was at that time amongst bowlers who had to adapt to the change. In my opinion, that timeframe was when messengers were created.
Just garbage garbage