Exactly what I needed to see. The house shot where I bowl is on the dry side. I'm lined up like you are in this video, but struggling to get my ball outside enough for a nice angle into the pocket. Your video gives a nice vantage point on how to attack a dry condition. It really helps to see the full lane shot.
You have become one of my favorite bowling RUclipsr. Great explanations, a bowling style we can relate to, and love the new camera angle that we can see the full travel of the ball. Thank you!
Thanks, Peter. I am glad you enjoy them. I started this channel because there are a lot of people who can relate to slower speed and lower rev rate. Glad it’s working!
It’s always good to stay ahead of the pattern. Staying in one spot too long causes you to always be behind. Sometimes I move 1 board left with my feet, while keeping my eyes in the same spot just to make sure I don’t get left behind!
All good! I just tell people to aim at the break point, and move their feet until the ball has a good look into the pocket. Start with a break point that's as far right as you are comfortable, since moves to the left will eventually need to be accompanied by moving the breakpoint in a little at a time, to get carry on the corner pins. Of course, the break point spot can be anywhere from 40-50 feet, give or take, depending upon your rev rate, and the front-to-back move of the break point is also a factor as you move left with transition. It's OK to walk toward your mark, if you prefer to keep the armswing parallel to the direction of the approach. One way to handle the drift is to plan for the ball to swing over a particular board at the approach. The laydown board combined with the break point establishes the launch angle.
Good points made here. Although I don’t suggest walking towards your target to the right if you’re a right hander. Some times that can get in the way of your arm swing and cause some other issues. It is ok, just smaller amounts.
Great video! I read a bunch of comments and I do have a question. I know that some people have mentioned how deep you were playing. Was that a result of liking the ball, using a ball that you could show larger adjustments with (more hook, more obvious adjustments), or just really liking playing that deep? I know that house patterns really reward getting around the ball and playing them from the inside out. Did you choose a ball that would let you do that? Would you might make a hand adjustment/ball change on a flatter pattern? I love these videos and getting to hear what a PWBA touring pro thinks about as they make shot after shot. I really appreciate your willingness to let us in. I would really like to see you compare the Hammer Effect and the new Widow Mania.
Hey Joe! I love the Ethos hybrid and mostly because it is so versatile especially when movement that far left and changing your angles. It gave me the best look moving left as patterns break down. On different patterns, it may not work as well so changing hand positions is the first step, if that doesn’t work then it’s a ball change. It’s all relative to what you’re bowling on and how it breaks down. This video they just happen to be hooking. As I mentioned on short patterns, some times the move is further right. I don’t mind hooking the lane like that if that’s what is called for. These adjustments can be made the same way if you were playing up the boards near the gutter. It’s all relative!
I can put it in the list. I do tackle longer and shorter patterns in two previous videos but this would be a good idea to be a little more pattern specific.
Hey Scott, yes I plan to bowl all of the events this year. Took some time off to spend with my newborn the last few years. He will be three in march so a little easier, and less stressful, to commit to bowling again!
I use the inside edge of my left foot to see where I am standing and sliding. I have a video that explains that and how drift can affect your angles from where you start and where you finish.
When you say you made a diagonal moove do you mean you opened up your body so you could project to 4 at b.p.? As i moove left i personally moove my left ankle one to two board to open my hips depending how far i am left so i can go to the same b.p.board.How do you go about it? I love your style and release. Thanks for your videos.
Thanks! And yes, I moved both my feet and my eyes left. On this pattern I needed to keep my angle through the front part of the lane open so I could maintain the proper entry angle to strike. Sometimes the move is parallel where I move my feet and my eyes the same amount. Moving your left ankle one or two boards to open your hips certainly helps with keeping your angles open.
Is a THS a short or long pattern? Also, what do you look at when targeting? I’m back to square one with targeting since the range finder method isn’t consistent for me. Also, you seem to be having more fun with your recent videos. Keep the Drills and Skills coming.
I enjoy coaching and sharing some knowledge I’ve gained along the way. My suggestion would be draw a line from the arrows to the range finders. It’s much easier to hit a target closer to you. The line will help you visualize the path you want your ball to take.
It depends how the centre dressed the lane and how many people used that lane. If it's used often by walk in bowlers, it'll be hard to gauge due to the lines created by them. If the lane been opened with the new fresh house shot oiling, it'll be easier to test out.
This was a used lane so it could have been anyone bowling. In this video, it worked out to move my feet left and keep my angles open. I agree though, sometimes the moves are different than this video. This is just an easy start for those that don’t really know how to adjust yet!
i understand we have the focal point as basis, is it possible to change the focal point when you find yourself too left on your feet and not capable of letting it comeback to the pocket due to “lack of axis rotation skills” ? - it’s my transitional phase issue occasionally.
Sometimes the ball you are throwing just isn’t enough down lane to help recover. You can always change your target moving it closer to the head pin as well. And not opening your angles too much. It’s all relative. This is just the basics of moving your feet and your target.
So my average position is stand on 30, release on 25 aiming between 15-10 depending on lane condition. If it's a short pattern it's 20, 15, 10 w/ more fwd roll
I just started bowling again after a 20 year layoff. Also, I am now a super senior, but pass for 55. When I try to use the oil in the middle on a long pattern by projecting the ball to the dry, it won’t make it back to the pocket. I do come around the side of the ball after staying behind it to the line. Perhaps my speed is too high? Also, have tried different balls (symmetric, asymmetric, solid, pearl, strong and weak). Any thoughts?
If your speed dominate, you could struggle with getting the ball to come back around the corner when you move left. Bowling balls certainly help but they need to slow down to change direction. I would start with speed. Give it some more time on the lane!
I am sorry Valerie but this video was simply not useful for us normal house shot bowlers. None of us would ever, ever, ever be that deep. That's crazy. We all are playing down and in, or up the boards, either on 10 or right of it. If in warm up I rolled a ball and it went dead brooklyn I would not move left, I would go to a weaker ball that would hold pocket. There are very high rev bowlers of course who can learn from this video but I would like to see a more realistic video for us normal run of the mill low rev house shot bowlers.
Sorry Nord, this comment is a bit unfair. Seems like we venture to the same channels and I don't mean to call you out, but Valerie is explaining her adjustments to what she's seeing based on her style and game. Her advice can be applied to everyone no matter how high or low your rev rate. Adjust, find your break point, continue adjusting based on ball reaction and pin action. If anything, Your game is more the exception than what is considered average. Fuller roller, very low rev, on House...Too many variables in bowling. Different centers, lane surface, oil used, ball choices, bowlers release, etc..the list goes on. You know this. You can't apply all the info given to you. Apply it to your game if you can or keep it in the memory bank to assist fellow bowlers 👍🏻
@@pg9831I agree. I found Valerie’s video on adjustments very helpful. I’m a senior bowler and I don’t have a lot of revs, but I do find I have to stand left of center quite often and project the ball outside of 9 to stay on the right side
Moving this far right from the start means you will run out of adjustments very fast unless you use a much weaker ball. The longer you can play straight the better.
@@pg9831 Fair enough. But it really helps to see a straighter average league bowler making those adjustments because it helps visually to see the ball shape we are familiar with and how the adjustments affect it.
Exactly what I needed to see. The house shot where I bowl is on the dry side. I'm lined up like you are in this video, but struggling to get my ball outside enough for a nice angle into the pocket. Your video gives a nice vantage point on how to attack a dry condition. It really helps to see the full lane shot.
Glad it helped and I hope you can apply this moving forward!
You have become one of my favorite bowling RUclipsr. Great explanations, a bowling style we can relate to, and love the new camera angle that we can see the full travel of the ball. Thank you!
Thanks, Peter. I am glad you enjoy them. I started this channel because there are a lot of people who can relate to slower speed and lower rev rate. Glad it’s working!
@bowlwithVALue i can readily admit that I can realistically strive to bowl as well as you and the PWBA. And there goes my man card...
Great video. Been in a slump lately and this may help with me adjusting late game 2 into 3!
It’s always good to stay ahead of the pattern. Staying in one spot too long causes you to always be behind. Sometimes I move 1 board left with my feet, while keeping my eyes in the same spot just to make sure I don’t get left behind!
@ that’s great advice. Thanks so much! Sometimes I’m too stubborn to move. 😆that’s my issue though.
All good! I just tell people to aim at the break point, and move their feet until the ball has a good look into the pocket. Start with a break point that's as far right as you are comfortable, since moves to the left will eventually need to be accompanied by moving the breakpoint in a little at a time, to get carry on the corner pins. Of course, the break point spot can be anywhere from 40-50 feet, give or take, depending upon your rev rate, and the front-to-back move of the break point is also a factor as you move left with transition. It's OK to walk toward your mark, if you prefer to keep the armswing parallel to the direction of the approach. One way to handle the drift is to plan for the ball to swing over a particular board at the approach. The laydown board combined with the break point establishes the launch angle.
Good points made here. Although I don’t suggest walking towards your target to the right if you’re a right hander. Some times that can get in the way of your arm swing and cause some other issues. It is ok, just smaller amounts.
Great video!
Thanks for watching!
Yes, it was helpful. Thanks
You’re welcome!
Great video! I read a bunch of comments and I do have a question. I know that some people have mentioned how deep you were playing. Was that a result of liking the ball, using a ball that you could show larger adjustments with (more hook, more obvious adjustments), or just really liking playing that deep? I know that house patterns really reward getting around the ball and playing them from the inside out. Did you choose a ball that would let you do that? Would you might make a hand adjustment/ball change on a flatter pattern?
I love these videos and getting to hear what a PWBA touring pro thinks about as they make shot after shot. I really appreciate your willingness to let us in.
I would really like to see you compare the Hammer Effect and the new Widow Mania.
Hey Joe! I love the Ethos hybrid and mostly because it is so versatile especially when movement that far left and changing your angles. It gave me the best look moving left as patterns break down. On different patterns, it may not work as well so changing hand positions is the first step, if that doesn’t work then it’s a ball change. It’s all relative to what you’re bowling on and how it breaks down. This video they just happen to be hooking. As I mentioned on short patterns, some times the move is further right.
I don’t mind hooking the lane like that if that’s what is called for. These adjustments can be made the same way if you were playing up the boards near the gutter. It’s all relative!
Can you do a video on tackling a flatter house shot? Outside has OB and middle doesn’t have too much hold.
Try a 2 piece/symmetrical ball, or Urethane
I can put it in the list. I do tackle longer and shorter patterns in two previous videos but this would be a good idea to be a little more pattern specific.
Very smooth I wish I could see your feet position other then hearing the numbers
I will try to put the camera in a better spot next time to make it a little easier to see. Thanks for your feedback!
Amazing bowler, absolutely gorgeous
Appreciate it!
Hey Val...you jumping back on tour this year?
Hey Scott, yes I plan to bowl all of the events this year. Took some time off to spend with my newborn the last few years. He will be three in march so a little easier, and less stressful, to commit to bowling again!
@@bowlwithVALue awesome...look forward to watching on bowltv
When you move left what foot do you count the boards is 30 boards to the left foot or 30 boards to your right foot?
I use the inside edge of my left foot to see where I am standing and sliding. I have a video that explains that and how drift can affect your angles from where you start and where you finish.
When you say you made a diagonal moove do you mean you opened up your body so you could project to 4 at b.p.? As i moove left i personally moove my left ankle one to two board to open my hips depending how far i am left so i can go to the same b.p.board.How do you go about it? I love your style and release. Thanks for your videos.
Thanks! And yes, I moved both my feet and my eyes left. On this pattern I needed to keep my angle through the front part of the lane open so I could maintain the proper entry angle to strike. Sometimes the move is parallel where I move my feet and my eyes the same amount. Moving your left ankle one or two boards to open your hips certainly helps with keeping your angles open.
When you say you stand on 20 to start do you mean stand over 20 or right foot, or left foot on 20 ? Thanks
I line up with the inside of my left foot. So I can see the 20 board to the right of it.
I really wanted to c you get a mean , sick, PHILTHY messenger hit! Lol great shot making tho!
I always love those but I don’t get them that often. The occasional one makes me feel strong!
Is a THS a short or long pattern? Also, what do you look at when targeting? I’m back to square one with targeting since the range finder method isn’t consistent for me.
Also, you seem to be having more fun with your recent videos. Keep the Drills and Skills coming.
I enjoy coaching and sharing some knowledge I’ve gained along the way. My suggestion would be draw a line from the arrows to the range finders. It’s much easier to hit a target closer to you. The line will help you visualize the path you want your ball to take.
Ethos box surface? Looks shiny
It has a few games on it and is a little shiny from the lanes. It worked nicely in this video though!
It depends how the centre dressed the lane and how many people used that lane. If it's used often by walk in bowlers, it'll be hard to gauge due to the lines created by them. If the lane been opened with the new fresh house shot oiling, it'll be easier to test out.
This was a used lane so it could have been anyone bowling. In this video, it worked out to move my feet left and keep my angles open. I agree though, sometimes the moves are different than this video. This is just an easy start for those that don’t really know how to adjust yet!
i understand we have the focal point as basis, is it possible to change the focal point when you find yourself too left on your feet and not capable of letting it comeback to the pocket due to “lack of axis rotation skills” ?
- it’s my transitional phase issue occasionally.
Sometimes the ball you are throwing just isn’t enough down lane to help recover. You can always change your target moving it closer to the head pin as well. And not opening your angles too much. It’s all relative. This is just the basics of moving your feet and your target.
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Thank you ! i get your point.
Will try your advise.
More power to you 👍🙏
So my average position is stand on 30, release on 25 aiming between 15-10 depending on lane condition. If it's a short pattern it's 20, 15, 10 w/ more fwd roll
Yes, it all depends on the lane condition. The lanes just happened to be hooking today!
I just started bowling again after a 20 year layoff. Also, I am now a super senior, but pass for 55. When I try to use the oil in the middle on a long pattern by projecting the ball to the dry, it won’t make it back to the pocket. I do come around the side of the ball after staying behind it to the line. Perhaps my speed is too high? Also, have tried different balls (symmetric, asymmetric, solid, pearl, strong and weak). Any thoughts?
If your speed dominate, you could struggle with getting the ball to come back around the corner when you move left. Bowling balls certainly help but they need to slow down to change direction. I would start with speed. Give it some more time on the lane!
Valerie they are called
Range Finders the 4 dark boards down at 45feet
But cheater marks works as well ❤🎉😊
Why did I think they were called tracers? 😂
Ahh yes. Range finders! Where were you when I was recording! 😂
Thank u
You are very welcome!
What i still struggle with is how to tell when to move and when to change to another ball.
I should record a video on this. There are ways to tell if you’re in the right ball or not. Great idea!
I am sorry Valerie but this video was simply not useful for us normal house shot bowlers. None of us would ever, ever, ever be that deep. That's crazy.
We all are playing down and in, or up the boards, either on 10 or right of it.
If in warm up I rolled a ball and it went dead brooklyn I would not move left, I would go to a weaker ball that would hold pocket.
There are very high rev bowlers of course who can learn from this video but I would like to see a more realistic video for us normal run of the mill low rev house shot bowlers.
Sorry Nord, this comment is a bit unfair. Seems like we venture to the same channels and I don't mean to call you out, but Valerie is explaining her adjustments to what she's seeing based on her style and game. Her advice can be applied to everyone no matter how high or low your rev rate. Adjust, find your break point, continue adjusting based on ball reaction and pin action. If anything, Your game is more the exception than what is considered average. Fuller roller, very low rev, on House...Too many variables in bowling. Different centers, lane surface, oil used, ball choices, bowlers release, etc..the list goes on. You know this. You can't apply all the info given to you. Apply it to your game if you can or keep it in the memory bank to assist fellow bowlers 👍🏻
@@pg9831I agree. I found Valerie’s video on adjustments very helpful. I’m a senior bowler and I don’t have a lot of revs, but I do find I have to stand left of center quite often and project the ball outside of 9 to stay on the right side
Moving this far right from the start means you will run out of adjustments very fast unless you use a much weaker ball. The longer you can play straight the better.
@@malcolmhelmuth760 I believe your experience is common for most. Moreso as a league night goes on or at a high friction bowling center👌🏻
@@pg9831 Fair enough. But it really helps to see a straighter average league bowler making those adjustments because it helps visually to see the ball shape we are familiar with and how the adjustments affect it.
Great video!
Thanks for watching!