How to Buy & Sell Used Firearms in Canada | Best Sites, Laws, Tips
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- Buying and selling #firearms on the Canadian secondary market can feel a bit daunting to newer gunnies. But it's really quite easy.
First of all, you've gotta get your stuff in front of people who are looking to buy. The best place for that is Gunpost. Not affiliated. Just personal experience. You can check them out here: www.gunpost.ca/
Gunpost is a Canadian firearm marketplace but it deals in so much more than just firearms. You can find airsoft and airguns there, accessories, ammo, utility items, range gear, and all sorts of stuff. Even services from professionals. You can use it for free as an individual but they do have other options if you make things or run a business, for example.
Alternatives include Canadian Gun Nutz, found here: www.canadiangu... - this is a firearm community, not unlike our own Discord community which you can join here: / discord While you can list your guns for sale here and browse those also for sale, it's also a great resource to help answer questions, make friends and get help with various firearm related matters.
Once you're ready to buy or sell, you'll need to go through the process of validating the PAL. A PAL is a must, so if you don't see one, stop the deal immediately. If you're the seller, you need the buyer's PAL number, DOB and the same email they have on file with CFP. That's the minimum. As a buyer, that's what you need to provide to the seller. The seller then checks that info using the CFP individual web services (generate a transfer number) here: www.services.r...
As a seller I personally ask for a front and back photo of the PAL and a front photo of government ID before I meet or deal online with anyone. That's just my own policy, but I am happy to provide my ID to the other party to help them feel more comfortable. I just want to know who I am dealing with, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, that is above and beyond the legal requirement, so be aware if you're doing the same thing.
Once a reference number is generated, it's automatically sent to both parties, and the transaction can take place. That's it! It's that easy.
Now for one of the things I didn't mention. Restricted firearms are different, in that a transfer is initiated and you have to wait for it to go through before you can make the deal. Once it does go through, and the deal is done, the buyer needs to register that firearm on the same website as above (CFP individual web services) and must store it accordingly (if you don't know how, here's a refresher: www.rcmp-grc.g...
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Thank you :) A lot of the inspiration behind these videos was from Rod, so I owe a thank you as well 🙏 :)
As a new pal holder, I appreciate all of your advice. After browsing gunpost, the maverick 88 is $300 used, but $320 for a new one. They seem to be asking too much for used firearms.
Buy new, that way you won’t inherit somebody elses problems and you’ll have a full warranty.
l know you are all excited with your new PAL but, just wait a couple of months. All of the fall hunting sales will start in September. That’s the time to buy a new shot gun :)
Glad the video was helpful :) Yeah in some cases it can be like that. Gotta remember you're dealing with individual people, and there's so many variables there that can cause things like that to happen. Best thing to do is just keep your head on a swivel for good deals, and do your research to know when you're getting swindled :P At the end of the day, the value of anything is only what two people agree it is, so if someone wants to sell something for more than its worth, and someone is willing to buy that, it can (and will) happen :P That said I've had lots of good experiences on Gunpost. Sometimes we just want to be nice, but we also need to have our limits, like I did with the ID thing.
Buying new is great if you can afford it. The truth is many people take great care of their firearms. That's why I insist on asking as many probing questions as I can. It not only helps me find answers that I objectively need to make a decision with, but also shows me the person's character. If I get a good feeling and feel like they're being straight with me, I don't mind buying something a bit more "used" - but of course there's always a chance you'll inherit a problem, and that's never good.
@@Thomas-dz4eg If you don't like the asking price then haggle, the asking price is often higher than the seller expects to get.
Welcome to Canada 😂!
"Falling out of love with my guns". Not going to happen. I don't sell them but I have "adopted out" some of my guns to family. In a case like I include the serial number and a picture of the gun along with the transfer document. By the way another educational video covering an important topic effectively and efficiently; well done!
Thank you :) Glad you enjoyed it.
Great info, THX! I'd add 2 sites: Arsenal Force (everything new, great for ammo) and Town Post gun
My pleasure thanks for watching! Also that’s awesome, haven’t heard of either of those so it’s nice to have them posted here. Thank you :)
Your reference number is also good for 90 days, if you need to buy somethings else from that person or retailer.
That's a great point and something I completely forgot about :) Though not sure if it's 1 number per firearm, that's something I'd like to find out, actually.
Got a 22lr and a 12 gauge, the 12gauge is way too much.
That is like saying you got a bicycle and a McLaren :P two completely different things that cannot be compared :P
@@canadianoperator Just got into guns I do not know what Im doing
One little comment. I would not be really comfortable to give you a copy of my another ID. Since it is the law, PAL is fine, howevere there are many bad cases could happen if you are storing people private information. Again storing other people ids could lead to issues.
I understand the discomfort. But I am building a public career and have literally everything to lose. One stupid mistake and I could lose all the reputation that I've spent years building. Further, I don't store anyone's info - it's all scrubbed after the transaction takes place. And I never ask them to send via email or text, which can be intercepted. I typically use either iMessage or Signal, which use data as the means of transmission and are encrypted end to end. The reason why I choose to do it this way is because I am running a business, and I want to take additional steps to protect myself from wrongdoing. Out of probably 20 transactions (both in person and shipping) I've had, only one was not comfortable, and as a result I decided not to sell. :) I don't take it personally when someone disagrees. Your information belongs to you, and you should be the only one to decide what happens to it. I also, myself, have a PAL and understand that any criminal charges could lead to me losing tens of thousands of dollars worth of gear, and my ability to ever own anything like that again, so if the first reason wasn't good enough, there ya go :)
Is it recommended to also draft, and exchange a bill of sale between both the seller, and buyer, once all checks have been completed? Or would this be unnecessary?
It would be unnecessary as far as your legal obligations are concerned. But there’s nothing wrong with record keeping or giving someone a receipt :P
@@canadianoperator Thanks! Also, where would you recommend as a good place to meet up to complete the sale in person in the GTA, if you did not want to have someone come to your residence?
@@user-ep2pj8go5oNo worries! That’s really tough because there’s not really many places that are ideal in the GTA. As far as ranges go there’s Gagnon in the east and Target Sports in the north. Outside of those ranges you might get away with just the back of your car in a quiet indoor parking lot. It’s definitely not ideal but a lot better than a subway station lol.
There are lots of places where you might have a store connected to a condo or other type of residence where they have underground indoor parking. It’s still public, but quiet enough to do a deal. It sounds a bit shady but as long as you’re following transport laws there’s really no issue.
It would probably be best meeting at a range though, but unfortunately those are few and far between in the GTA. In fact they’re both technically outside of it, as ranges are not allowed in Toronto.
Thanks for your insight! Always enjoy watching your content!
@@user-ep2pj8go5oMy pleasure. I enjoy making it and having conversations with fellow gun owners :)
Hi, I found a PCP pellet rifle in the US that I'm interested in purchasing it's over 500 FPS so it requires a p a l shooting license. The seller is concerned about having issues having it sent here and I am also concerned that I'm not informed enough. I believe there is an additional 15% tax but I have to pay once it arrives. Are there any forms I need to fill out before purchasing the gun and does the seller in the US need specific information in order to send it to Vancouver BC?
So, you'll need to worry about more than just purchasing the rifle. You'll need to import it too - and that might be tricky. If it's already on the FRT (Firearm Reference Table) it might be a bit easier, as RCMP would have classified every firearm on that list. If not, you would need to speak directly with RCMP and potentially even CBSA (Canada Border Services Agency) to get details on what you'll need to do to import it. Contact info for RCMP firearms program can be found here: rcmp.ca/en/firearms/contact-chief-firearms-officer and for CBSA, here: www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/contact/menu-eng.html You can also find additional information about the import and export of firearms here: www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d19/d19-13-2-eng.html Hope this helps.
@canadianoperator Thanks for all the information and getting back to me I'll try it out.
@@surreallife777my pleasure. 🫡
Wouldn’t this only be applicable to registered firearms ? What about some old timer that never registered his gun ?
Registered firearms have additional steps that are required. But all firearms require a reference number to be generated. It's stupid, and doesn't really make any sense, but that's the law.
The law doesn't care about how old you are or how long you've had your gun. You MUST register restricted firearms. If you want to buy or sell one, you also have to follow these steps. Not doing that is assuming a risk that you may have to take responsibility for someday.
In all honesty I don't support any kind of gun registry because we are already vetted and tested in many different ways to ensure we are responsible firearm owners. However, I do believe in an official way to verify ID and sell to a person that you can verify is also vetted. And while this system is far from perfect, it does offer a way of doing that.
So if I’m selling it to my friend I only need to see his pal and email? How do I get the reference number? And is it necessary
It doesn't matter who you're selling it to. A PAL and generated reference number are mandatory. As for information required and how to get it, I explain this in the video (and probably other comment responses).
@@canadianoperator thank you so much for the quick reply great video 👍🏻
@@theking471000anytime :)
Hey so I sold my firearm went to the rcmp site add the buyer info and get a reference number is that it on the rcmp site didn’t ask me what type of firearm or it didn’t ask me for the serial make and model is that normal so all I have to do is give the buyer a copy and hand over the firearm please help because it’s weird it didn’t ask for make and model is was a Ruger 10/22 takedown any help will be appreciated thanks
The rcmp only validates your PAL, not what we sell you if it is a non-restricted purchase.
A restricted purchase requires make, model, serial number etc.
This is perfectly normal no worries. The only details are the other guys PAL, DOB and email. That’s literally it. You don’t even need to give him a copy cause he will automatically get one. I just do it as a courtesy so they have a hard copy. Very easy!
Well said, and thank you for including that extra restricted info :)
@@Thomas-dz4eg thanks for the info
@@canadianoperator thank you now I feel better anyway I know the guy for more than 10 yrs
Do one about gifting a friend one
Same thing as here just without money changing hands, lol
@@canadianoperator if I know for a fact that his credentials are good because we are good friends, can I just hand him the firearm without doing anything on the firearms website
@@sosa3103no! You are required by law to validate his/her licence. lf anything ever happened, friend or not…..you are screwed. So cover your own ass!
Then again, your question sounds more like a set up, than a question??
@@sosa3103This is a bit of a loaded question :)
So, I’d say officially, no, the procedure is to generate a transfer number and verify the PAL.
Unofficially, yes, you could. If you trust the person and know their PAL is valid, and that they don’t have a firearm prohibition order against them, you could do it that way.
However, doing so is a liability (and illegal) and can have consequences. And just because I say you “could” doesn’t mean you should. To be clear, as the previous answer stated, you are required by law to do it.
I hope that helps to answer the question. :)
What would you consider to be a good gun / type of gun for home defense? I'm in canada, NB too, would a rifle be too much, a 308 for rhst matter, i think that would go theough walls if fired so probably not ideal? I was thinking that cause then I could use it dual purpose but I also don't currently own any gun or a license so maybe I should start slow with a pistol, what do you think
That's a very good question, but there's lots to unpack there.
First of all, as far as the law is concerned, we have VERY limited "rights" when it comes to home defense. And, a judge can (and will) interpret whether your use of force was justified, whether it was proportional, and a variety of other factors. That can result in being set free, or spending the rest of your life behind bars.
An example is the man in Timmins who lived with his mother and shot one of 5 home invaders to death when they broke into their home wielding firearms. In that case, he was found to have used proportional force, and his 2nd degree murder charges were dropped. The problem with this system is that it doesn't give everyone equal rights all of the time to protect their home, property and family from intrusion using firearms. For more info definitely consult a lawyer, but this is good to keep in mind when looking for a firearm for this purpose.
Secondly, I'd recommend getting your PAL before asking this question - because without a license you are getting nothing. I know that might be kind of obvious, but do get your license first. If you haven't registered for a course yet, I'd recommend doing the non-restricted and restricted in one weekend if you can, as it will save you a ton of time and allow you to apply for both licenses at the same time.
Next, as far as home defense firearms are concerned, pistols at the moment can be ruled out entirely. Because of the OIC from 2020, pistols cannot be sold, bought, transferred or passed down. This order is likely to be overturned by the next incoming government (if it's conservative) but at the moment pistols are effectively banned.
So, that leaves shotguns and rifles. A rifle can definitely be multi purpose, but they are often larger and more unwieldy. Additionally, while many projectiles fired from modern rifles are generally fast and aerodynamic, they might not possess the stopping power of a slug fired from a 12 gauge shotgun. I personally prefer the shotgun option, and always keep mine closest to the safe door for that exact purpose. Slugs dump a ton of their energy very effectively, and thus make awesome home defense firearms with plenty of stopping power. I use a 12 gauge pump myself (Mossberg 590A1).
Keep in mind that any bullet, ball or slug has the potential of penetrating a wall, so that's always something you should consider no matter the firearm.
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@@canadianoperator ah thank you, I was originally asking this question to make the decision on which course and license to get (restricted vs non restricted) but as of right now seems like I should do both, or restricted won't even currently benefit me as is right now anyway, and no wonder I couldn't find any pistol/handgun anywhere online ( I was looking to see how much it would cost - not to buy with no license, just to get an idea of what the cost would be) for sale in canada, that makes a lot of sense
@@canadianoperator also I was thinking a rifle for home defense (acknowledging everything regarding court / law) as with a rifle maybe you would have a chance not to make it lethal but just enough to injure an intruder as it is a lot more accurate and precise and then call the police / ambulance for them, so just enough to stop them but not enough to kill them which is the whole goal of home defense anyway, but again I never shot and or held a gun in my life so idk what it is like
@@TheBigPotato123you’re welcome :) Aleays good to future proof yourself as you never know how laws may change. Also, I do hope pistols come back. The moment thst happens I’m picking up a 2011 :))
@@TheBigPotato123in my somewhat professional and completely biased opinion if a criminal breaks into your home they should not be given the privilege to walk out of it.
Right now it’s easy to consider things like laws and morality, but when you have someone pointing a gun at you, and it’s either you or them, it better not be you. Obviously you don’t look for trouble and reasons to have to point your firearm at another person. But when a person makes a conscious decision to break into MY home, ALL BETS ARE OFF. My personal take on it.
Is there adds on gunpost or other platforms from peole just trying to fish for peoples IDs?, wich they can then use fir whatever, my fear is that someone might use my pal after getting it from me, or does the program or the part where there is a need for a reference number takes care of that?
First of all, only the PAL number, email address and DOB are required as a minimum. But even in a case like this, where someone is trying to phish a PAL from you, the moment they made a straw purchase (and it would almost definitely be a straw purchase because they probably don't have their own PAL if they're phishing) then you'd be notified because you'd get an e-mail from RCMP. At that point you knew you didn't buy anything, or sell anything... So you'd contact them to let them know, and give them the details of whoever it is you were talking to on Gunpost. That said, I think while it's important to get a feel for people online and scrutinize their reputation, it's also important not to be super paranoid but be optimistically cautious.
You still have gun sales freeze?
For pistols, yes. All transfers are currently banned. And it’s not just an OIC anymore. The handgun part is now law which means it will be much harder to repeal by a successive government.
@@canadianoperator I hope Canadians will make the right choice, Trudeau is being conditioned by some US politicians (Gavin Newsom, Kamala… sleepy Joe) 👋
Brother will handgun legal again in Canada if government change
There’s a good chance of this happening, yes.
Lose the sunglasses pal
No thanks, pal.