CAT 365 Broken hydraulic cylinder.
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Hey, guys. First off, sorry about the wind noise. Here is a nice repair of a hydraulic cylinder on a Caterpillar 365 excavator. Follow along as you see us piece this thing back together. Looking back at how I made this repair, I would have done things a bit differently but that's how we all learn. I really didn't like how this was welding. Not sure if it was because of my previous repair or the metal combination of cast material mixed with old weld filler rod. Either way, I hope it holds for a while at least. Thanks for the support in advance.
Looks pretty good to me mate 👍 you do some of the best field repair work for what I've seen over the years. You make it work with what you have and get it done 😎👍
Thanks bud. 😉😁👍
I just watched one of your videos and can compare the work. You are both excellent at what you do and the way you do it based on location.
@@ICWeld > i enjoy viewing the content of both yours and the CEE channels. its just amazing how much abuse the heavy excavating equipment endures - the bushing in that rod eye is probably totally shot... i must say incredible work. thnx.
@@ICWeld If Kurtis is impressed then I am even more impressed.
There’s a lot wrong with this world. But the ability for a Texan and Australian to see each other’s great work isn’t one of them.
I think you have some of the best welding skills I have seen in over 40 years, during which time I was a heavy equipment operator and I have worked on pipelines, so I know a good welder when I see one, the skill you have with an oxy torch... amazing.. for this type of repair, you really need to drill, tap and thread a piece of rod into both the knuckle and the hyd. cylinder , at least 1/2 thick, this will help with the shear factor and you dont need to square off the end of hyd. cylinder to do so, I saw it done on an old JD 790...obviously you need to use a Grade 10 or better bolt, just cut the head off for threading... Gidday from Canada...
Without a doubt you are my hero. Nothing seems to phase you.
As always top class work for me I would love a break down on the filler metals that you use and how to know what rod to use or wire for the job 👍👌💪💪💪
I like CEE reference!!
Curtis won't understand, because you keep talking about 3/32nds and 3/4ths BANANAS.
Recurring jobs is where the money is.
Brother u & your soi"boi..... good team
... good well'up. ...
Or round &round lol....
..... A"ho.... blessings fr all 4 Direction
I think I would have removed the one pin closest to the break which would allow you to spin the rod plus have up and down to put the cylinder where it's most comfortable to work.
Curtis would faint if you saw that crack open up on the opposite side. Personally I think you went in too far when you gouged out the front. Should have left a bit more holding metal. But otherwise a good job. ( former certified welder )
Looks great! Its funny that you mentioned Kurtis, because that's who I thought of when you said "is this the right way?". In the field and in the machine shop are two totally different worlds!
Delta N9NE, they should *not* be. I shall try to explain why.
Isaac, Kurtis is probably sitting with his head in his hands, quietly weeping, while Homeless gives him licks on the hands and Karen feeds him cups of tea..
Mate, what you did is what the owner of the machine wanted, and yes, it will probably last for two more years - as long as the *rest* of the machine holds out that long. But given the history of repairs that you have made to that machine it seems to me that there are several considerations.
1) The machine owner is a tight-arse, and wants his machines running as soon as possible and as long as possible, and profit is his/her only motive.
2) His/her machine operators are cowboys, probably (it's in Texas, yes?); if they broke that boom as badly as you showed in previous repair videos then those people should not be allowed anywhere near a machine.
3) Perhaps the damage is a result of the owner's reluctance to spend money on effective maintenance?
4) Perhaps the owner is running a "Hail Mary" startup, with insufficient capital backing to be able to run his/her business, and is cutting corners to be able to continue in business without running out of capital? Yes, that model can work, but you need a lot of luck for that to succeed, and usually that mode of operation leads to ruination or bankruptcy or flight from creditors.
Mate, I have operated businesses, and I understand the processes and caveats in doing so, and the traps and pitfalls, and I understand the constraints your client faces. But if I were you I would steer clear of this client; the next time one of your repairs fails *you* made be held liable, ad sued, and you don't need that. Unless he/she is a personal friend, of course. That is a different thing.
creditors.
@@gregbrodie-tyrrell3473 _"... and Karen feeds him cups of tea"_ - like... WHAT?! Well chilled Victoria Bitter, or Foster's - that's what she'd be feeding him.
Tea? In the time of distress, for a grown up man? You must be kidding, mate... ;-)
@@MrKotBonifacy Well, he does live in Queensland, so if it ain't tea, but beer instead, it's more likely to be Four Ex, becos that's what is popular up there. The label is written thus:-
XXXX
Because the label looks like this that beer is known as "Barbed Wire" in other parts of the country.
Some unkind souls say that it is written so because Queenslanders cannot spell "BEER", but that's really a slander and an insult (I think), and is not an idea I would support, and that's *not* because Kurtis is a head and shoulders taller than me, as well as being half my age. I'm not afraid of him; oh no! Besides, he doesn't know where I live...
As for beer instead of tea, while I have seen him drink tea and eat chocolate-coated biscuits provided by Karen, beer is a much greater comfort for a man in times of distress, so there is merit indeed in your words. I shall be more careful in future.
@@gregbrodie-tyrrell3473 Thank you for your kind reply and thorough explanation : )
_"I have seen him drink tea and eat chocolate-coated biscuits provided by Karen"_ - see? Women are just like that, can't do much about it - one has to bear it, and suffer quietly, with dignity. (And pretend "well, I actually like it".)
Also, I'm not that familiar with all them Aussie beers - I happened to drink Foster's with my Aussie pal back in Singapore, and that was... some time ago. "Quite some", to be precise ;-)
And then one time he went back to Australia for a couple of weeks to see his parents, and when he came back he proudly opened a suitcase... full of smuggled in VB (Duty Free allowance down there is pitiful ONE litre only) and declared "this is the best Australia has to offer!"
...and who am I to question his authority on the matter, eh? And, as a matter of fact, quite good it was indeed.
Anyway, note taken - Queensland, "Four X", aka Barbed Wire. Cheers! ;-)
Kurtis is a real pro not many people repair heavy equipment
Wooo, Shout out to Kurtis, Karen, and homey! That cylinder looks to be about 5 bananas across 😆. IC Weld field repair is just as strong as a CEE shop repair👍! Both are masters of the trade.
Kurtis will have that straight into a lathe for weld prep
How about snowball
@edswider9309 yes!! Snowball engineering of North Yorkshire, great channel!!
You are an amazing welder, father , and mentor/teacher. I hope your son realizes how blessed he is to have a father with the skill you have and the willingness to teach. Keep up the great work.
He seems not to get excited and acts kind and gentle with his son. (at least on camera lol) His son is lucky to have a Dad like him hope the young man learns everything he can from Dad to be as good -know the bar is set high for sure.
You are so, right GGASTER. We need more ads like this and more training for electricians, welders carpenters. Forget that for years of college for most to be brainwashed.
If all sons would have a Father like this, Be Careful who you Marry young Men.
Send it down to Kurtis at CEE, he'll fix it should get it back to you in about a year considering shipping😁😁😁
Kurtis will drop it on his lathe then build a fancy jig to get the alignment correct. His rotary welding gear makes the impossible look easy.
was going to say the same👍🇦🇺
The dog will chew it up fist though :)
IC: Kurtis with CEE how would you repair this broken rod eye?
Kurtis: Well IC I would request that the mechanical maintenance guys remove it and the cylinder from the machine, band it to a shipping skid, ship it to my shop in Australia so I can make a new rod eye then weld it onto a new cylinder rod. Then I would ship it back to the states for installation, something like that.
IC: We don't have time for all that, day light is burning away so lets get to welding.
The end.
Good job on letting him figure it out.....not enough of that going around anymore.
Yea, for sure. Best way to learn.
"Kurtis will notice it" 😂 good one, your channel and CCE Australia are two of my favorites
Mine too!
@@ICWeld same :)
Me too!!!! The sad thing is that very few of the younger generation are interested in the skilled work that you and Kurtis do! What will happen to this world when no wants or cares about doing the quality work that both of you do!
Ron
Kurtis, lol. The both of you are legends! You in the field and him in the shop. I love you guy's videos!
I'm not even a welder, I'm a mechanic by trade, now a service director at a Ford dealership after 43 years in the business. You have the gift of common sense, and you're a great welder. I can truly appreciate that. You're also a great mentor for your son. Our trades are a dying art. Keep passing your knowledge on to him. Kudos to you, and your son! God Bless..... PS: I've mentored many a young man in my day that have become great senior master techs in my business. My approach to mentoring pretty much mirror yours to your sones. You're a great man. Keep up the good work!
Enjoy you're time in purgatory.
Cool video man, I love watching the equipment repair lessons. I always learn a lot from you. I would have never thought about using torch soot to protect the chrome. God bless y'all
Funny you should Mention Curtis, because in today’s video (same day as this one) we see him wearing your cap :)
Love the RUclipsr camaraderie !
Great job on this nightmare of a repair, in-field.
Loved hearing from your son. He seems to have your demeanor, what a blessing to be able to work together! Great video as always. It's hard to appreciate the size of that equipment until you're up close.
I believe Curtis said He started out working out in the field, so I don't think He would complain about your repair.
I loved the reference to Curtis from CEE. You made me laugh hard. I have two favorites. Yours and his. Do you know if Curtis’s wife has an unmarried sister? She’s a cutie 🥰 Always a pleasure to watch your videos. Thank you for putting in all the time and work to make great entertainment.
That's an awesome shout out to Kurtis of CEE it would be so awesome to have a meet up between you two, both seriously hard working and skilled tradesmen!
That would be cool!
@@ICWeld I would drive to Texas for that moment. 2 of my favorite RUclips heroes in 1 place..
Great tip on carbon coating the chrome to prevent slag sticking from the gouge. You and your son made this look way easier than that job actually was.
15:18 "The only person that will notice it is Kurtis" -- you mean Kurtis from Cutting Edge Engineering? Yours and Kurtis's are my two favorite channels!
Your practical approach to everything is priceless. I worked offshore years ago and an "old coonass" welder showed me the old carburizing flame "trick" there cannot be many that know this one! I am an electrician and was working on pipelayers in Norway at the time very interesting.
Haha Kurtis CEE...
Well, maybe Kurtis could have done it better in his shop. That would have required disassembly, shipping, repair, more shipping, reassembly. Just the shipping cost would be more than your repair and the machine would be out of service for more than a day. Your field repair will work and it looks good.
To say nothing of the postage and handling to get it to Australia
I guess you and I are both big fans of Curtis I like especially his outtakes at the end of his videos as a matter of fact I started watching you long before I started watching him you are a Master with a torch👍👍
Curtis is across the big pond, I don’t think he will mind you fixed it this way since it had to be a field repair. 😂
You mentioned that "Curtis" would notice the cylinder rod wasn't centered. I'm assuming you meant Curtis from Cutting Edge Engineering in Australia. I think Curtis would give you a pass on the repair since you had to put the machine back together in the field without lathes, boring mills or rotating apparatus.
I'm sure your customers heave a sigh of relief when they see your truck roll up to the jobsite. they know their problem will soon be solved.
Thanks for sharing your talent.
Awesome to hear kurtis from cee talk about ic weld and vice versa
yeah, Kurtis comes on in about 3 more hours..........
..he may have to send Homeless over to Austin
to be your safety man .........looks good to me Issac,
love seeing your Son out there learning......you are
both very lucky, him for having you as a Dad and you
for having such a great Son......Let him know how much
we like seeing him working along side of you.......Paul
Kurtis is not geared up for site work from what I see on his channel so to me what he may do would take A lot of down time on the Machine. You Issac do work on site and have the Machine working again in less than a day, apples and oranges. John, Australia.
My father started in the Bremerton, Washington ship yard building ships. He started welding deck plates 3 or 4 inches thick {1960's}I got a kick out of his assistant, he made sure he did not run out of welding rod, and put the fire out when and if he caught on fire! He fixed everything with Weld Wood glue or J B Weld. Dad had last count 9 welders when he passed at 94. He stopped traveling and told them bring it to me and I will fix it. Enjoy the video's.
Just a wealth of information presented here. It's fascinating to hear your breakdown of the method you use to make the repair. Thanks for sharing!
when u give out the test. and have all the answers is so cool (meaning an older mind with wisdom gets to mess with the young sponge lol )good work ic and ic jr.
Karen is still trying to get a one take response from Kurtis but it's already take 312 and he's said fuck 32 times. Great job
Thank you Isaac And son. When this machine retires It will be mostly made of your welding rods. That is a good welding lesson for me.😊😊😊
side link is bent the pin looks like it will not be perpendicular to rod of cylinder i would say it will crack again or break at some time in the future
I do a lot of this kind of work. Cool to see someone else doing it. Way to teach your boy. You’re the man
Some times field repairs are a challenge to do it right enough for the machine to continue working. You did mention Curtis from CEE. He does fantastic work. But it’s not field repairs that he does. Guys like you and I have the challenges not of the precision of a machine shop. We get the dirt grease weather extremes. And still need to fix it right. Well as right as a field repair gets. Your experience knowledge always gets you the right finished product. You always face the challenge at least on video without stressing. Another fantastic job. Very good video
Maybe a little camera shy, that’ll go away as he gets older. I like that nap idea.😂
Haha, sneaky reference to Curtis there..... he's probably wanting it in his lathe🤣🤣🤣
I have noticed the comments about Kurtis’s work in comparison, they seem to be joking a bit. Just kind of teasing, I haven’t figured out which one, but just having fun. Thank You Sir
I would call Kurtis from CEE in Australia. he does this all the time. LOL
How to repair it = drive it off a cliff and call the insurance company?
I see Curtis from CEE has been wearing the welders cap that you sent him. I really enjoy your content.
"How do we repair this?"
I'm guessing that JB Weld is out of the question?? 🤣
It might have been worse this time, but you had the experience from before to have a better idea how you wanted to tackle it. Nice job and kudos for letting your son provide his thoughts on it.
Glad the owner has you for a welder but it sure looks like what he needs is an OPERATOR! Blessings!
Lol, “The only ones who’ll notice are Kurtis, or another machinist!” Just finished watching Kurtis and came over here to watch this! 😂
@15:18 That a hello to Curtis at CEE ??
Love yr vids mate Yu and old mate Curtis are the best there is on RUclips
And hey. Be careful how Yu say the word route
Here in Australia it can meet 2 different things
IE its rooted or soon guna be
Take it off and send it to cutting edge engineering. Shipping to Australia might be a little expensive but the quality is worth it. Lol
Just watched a video from CEE an hour or so ago where he worked on another bit of gear with yellow paint on it. Absolutely great field repair. I hope that the ram had cooled sufficiently before it was tested. There could have been a whole new problem if a scorching hot ram was retracted past the seals in the end of the cylinder.
I like the mention of Kurtis, I enjoy watching both of you guys.
crazy welds keep coming... quite impressive what you can weld together and it will hold
"Is it the proper way of doing it? Who knows? But it works."
Watched CEE just before this so it was kinda funny you mentioned him. Great job as always
Your the man, glad your teaching JR how to repair things.
Top shelf repairs , that's why they call you.
The 'what' part of the repair is the easy bit. But the 'how' part is the dicey bit.
It's awesome to see the next generation to be involved in the trades
Thank you Issac.. Your repairs always look so good to me. That poor old machine need's line boreing and bigger pins.
Another excellent learning opportunity. Thank you for letting us look over your shoulder.
I learned more from Isaac on this repair than any amount of reading or any number of seminars could teach me. Thank you Isaac. Awesome video!
Thank you guys! Broke one of my tractor front loader attachments on exactly the same spot, and as an amateur welder I was wondering how to get it proper strong again. This video answered all my questions and I'm ready to get on with it 😊 Really, thanks for the detailed video and good tips!
You son will always be able to find good jobs thanks to you.
How many people do you think follows CEE on your channel? Cee Australia is the channel where Curtis lives. Check it out if you haven't.
I follow him as well
It's been a day or two since I've seen or heard the soot trick. I didn't think anyone knew that one. Keep up the great work and videos Young Man, I have enjoyed everyone I've watched.
Still the best school your son can go to,excellent on you for teaching him and fabulous job like usual
and he can go blind while getting knowledge
@@feelinghealingfrequences7179 Go feel some more frequencies or something.
Feeling on my Johnson
You talk about not being able to reach in there with the flux core gun. That Lincoln K126 gun looks like the Profacx 1260 FC Gun.
The tips have 5/16-18 Thread and Profax tips come in different lengths, from 1.12", 2", 2.72" and 3".
Forgot to add that you can change the back end on the gun and use it your shop Millermatic if needed.
Look at the Profax catalog on-line page 199.
I have seen grease burn the heck out of a guy from grease blowing out of fitting. When welding on same thing as this......careful out there..... great job as always
*I C Weld* Bravo well done, thank-you sir for taking the time to bring us along. God Bless.
I also watch Kurtis from CEE...👍
Yea, Kurtis would be a good choice, but the chances of him fixing it in the field to mfg’s specs are slim to none. This is Isaac’s channel working in the oil fields. We’re comparing apples to oil drums. These guys here in texas can’t afford the work that Kurtis does. Down time is economic death.
Sent it to KARL or kurtis or homeless or Karen LOL 😂 😂😂😂
Always some 400lb gorilla at the controls breaking stuff, you'd think after 2 or 3 times the equipment owners would figure out proper maintenance would save them much more money and time in the long run, but no. Lets ignore it to save 500 bucks now, if it breaks we'll spend 5 grand later to buy all new parts. 🤔😁
3/32" movement doesn't sound bad for that application. Maybe even pulled back & canceled when you did the other side. Seems the weight & resistance of cylinder kinda clamp it. That soot trick is cool. Turned out real nice
Hey man. congratulations. You are a very successful man, I am watching you in Turkiye. I am also doing these things. I wonder something. Your car is very nice. What is the price?
Absolutely kick arse job out in the field. Kurtis would even approve!
I like the black smoke on the rod idea
Might have to try that sometime
Job well done don't fret you tried it and it works ain't going to the moon in a hurry you good
Good job...I think if twist that pin bracket a little bit before welding then you might get about centre...sure I learned by mistake sometimes...
That makes sense as to how it broke. A rod in a hydraulic cylinder "ONLY" has strength in its vertical ,horizontal or basically in line position. Any side variation will snap them like a toothpick no matter how thick.
I understand when you said "How did the operator not see the pin come out in plain sight?" N.M.M....I used to hang this sign
up around examples of what you just showed us. The anacronym stands for "NOT MY MONEY". Pretty much says it all.
Great video as usual. Thanks
As an operator I can answer that question, we are watching the teeth and the area around the bucket, nit the area above the bucket. What seperates the men from the boys is the ability to notice things that are out of your focus area. I have had pins come out and break things in my early years and know I'll notice 1/4 inch difference in the pin depth.
You remind me of my dad(retired 40 yr heavy eq mech)
"What's taking so long" or
"Cmon, your not done yet"
Haha. He taught me a lot. Said when he showed up on a job and a piece of equipment was down there was no 'hello, how are you,' it was more like, how quick can you fix this thing because were losing money paying guys to stand around. You learn how to do a good job quick. Awesome you're teaching your kid, he seems to know what he's doing already.
Bucket needs teeth replaced soon as well. I don't understand how some abuse their machines! Nice job mate. G'day from Tasmania
Nice job, and it's an interesting case! Thank you for sharing, Isaac. And it didn't break on your previous repair, so it's not that it lasted 3 years... your previous job it's still in place, actually!
After tacking the cylinder's eye back in place, I would be tempted to take off the pins, to work on the cylinder on your shop or over your truck... but aside from taking extra time to disassemble and assemble back, the best way to make sure that everything fits in place and remains aligned, it's to work on it directly where it has to be.
So, even if I would be tempted to take out the piece... I like how you worked around it while still mounted in place. Cheers from Spain, Isaac and son.
And this is where the channel goes down hill. From here on out it is going to be a collage of Issac's various sleeping positions, and favorite snacks. LOL.
Isaac's taste in food seems to align with mine, so I'll keep watching if the channel becomes food and naps😁
@@ricanderson5717 LOL. As will I.
Isaac, Kurtis probably wouldn't work on a cylinder still on the machine. He'd insist that it be removed to work on it.
Love watching and learning thank you❤️👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I just finished watching kurtis then next was you it doesn’t matter how you do it so long as it works to get the job finished all will be happy especially me because I have just watched a master and his apprentice at work the same as I watched kurtis making his magic well done from Tasmania Australia
Yes as you mentioned, Kurtis / CEE, I was thinking then, 'what a team',...too bad you two are in entirely different parts of the world! ( Just an idle thought! )
Your Son will soon be able to have a roll reversal with you, and I'd like to see this too one day soon.
This should work, but I wonder at how many more hours the owner expects to get from this old Cat, without replacing that whole cylinder assembly.
Your son is amazing and I love that you are teaching him. My Father was a truck and bus mechanic. I grew up sitting on the fenders of the trucks he worked on. Decades later I make a good living using the knowledge and some of the tools that got from him. The trades are dependent on generations teaching the next. And they have always provided a good living.
I thought your old weld came off but it wasn’t your old weld it was below … so at first I was misjudging you but now I see it’s another crack so I think you’re a great welder I enjoy your videos
I don't have any heavy equipment experience, but it looks like that bucket is too big for that machine. Could someone in the field please comment.
No need to do all that work. All you needed to do was wire brush it then Polident that shit back together and finally wrap it with Flextape. On to the next job.
Nice work fellas!!!!