"Trayvon Martin: 10 Years Later"

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  • Опубликовано: 27 фев 2022
  • Ten years later, Trayvon Martin's death is still igniting a movement and demands for justice. CBS Reports speaks to Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, thought leaders and activists about Martin's life, the acquittal of George Zimmerman and how the Black Lives Matter movement has evolved in the special "Trayvon Martin: 10 Years Later."
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  • @TriRabbi
    @TriRabbi 6 месяцев назад +35

    The girl who testified in court as the person who was on the phone with Trayvon was not the person who was on the phone with Trayvon.

    • @user-hu5on4nk3g
      @user-hu5on4nk3g 5 месяцев назад

      Covering for their black community !! But that's how black race people does it too much to none black race people alot just for passing by neighborhood areas where's alots of black race people !! Same thing black race individuals don't have no reasons to follow none black race people alot !!! It happens alot by black race

    • @ryand141
      @ryand141 3 месяца назад

      Irrelevant. GZ followed TM after police and dispatch told him to stop. He continued to follow TM. When he did that, he put himself in harms way, and that is the definition of manslaughter, literally. Should've also been a retrial also because the jury all females does not represent the population at all.

    • @RaianRoderique
      @RaianRoderique Месяц назад

      U will always be missed and remembered Trayvon ❤😢

    • @RaianRoderique
      @RaianRoderique Месяц назад

      Yes this generation prepared to fight but don't think them ain't preparing themselves as well eh

  • @timz.4000
    @timz.4000 7 месяцев назад +35

    The main thing they had to change in their narrative was that it was George screaming for help, NOT TRAYVON!!!

    • @hwhittaker2172
      @hwhittaker2172 7 месяцев назад +1

      it was George screaning

    • @Maynard-il1yj
      @Maynard-il1yj 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@hwhittaker2172and getting beat up.

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@hwhittaker2172 no it wasn’t

    • @Mina.15
      @Mina.15 8 дней назад

      @@Maynard-il1yj😂😂😂😂

  • @thenny10
    @thenny10 7 месяцев назад +53

    They never show pictures of him at the time this situation happened, they are always pictures of him when he was younger. Why is that?????

    • @j_rainsgoat3929
      @j_rainsgoat3929 7 месяцев назад

      The girl who testified was sister to the actual girl friend who was on the phone while George was beaten by trevon. A neighbor who called 911 heard George screaming for his life while trevon beat his head into the concrete. It's a scam

    • @javyautollc9891
      @javyautollc9891 7 месяцев назад +15

      They have an agenda

    • @dishman1966
      @dishman1966 7 месяцев назад +11

      Propaganda

    • @hwhittaker2172
      @hwhittaker2172 7 месяцев назад +10

      can't let the truth out

    • @nedrianj
      @nedrianj 6 месяцев назад +13

      How different do you think he looked at the age of 17 vs the pictures shown? 🤔 he was a CHILD. You act as if they’ve been circulating a picture of a toddler. Don’t be weird

  • @johnabbottphotography
    @johnabbottphotography Год назад +45

    Did CBS cover all of the times the media got it wrong?
    Like how from the start, they announced that a neighborhood watch guy was seen punching a teenaged kid, and then shot him? (The witnesses said that they saw the teen football player punching the shorter, older, fatter guy, who he had pinned to the ground)
    Or how they said that Zimmerman hadn't been injured? (Until the photos that police took of his injuries was released)
    Or how the media said that the voice on the 9/11 call in the background was Trayvon yelling for help? (It turned out to be Zimmerman)
    Or how the media said that Zimmerman had uttered a racial slur on his 9/11 call? (CNN later said that when they had a professional clean it up, and they listened back to it, it sounded like "cold")
    Or how Zimmerman supposedly chased down Trayvon, who he had lost, and then confronted him? (Which doesn't even make sense, since there was no way he could have caught up with Trayvon.)
    Or did this story just focus on the family, activists, and everything except the actual facts of the case that proved that Zimmerman was having the crap beat out of him when he shot someone who was on top of him, trying to slam his head into the concrete, as he yelled for help and the police... who wouldn't stop even after the neighbors told him to?

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful Год назад +1

      These people are race hustlers. The trayvon story is a hoax

    • @richardtravick5794
      @richardtravick5794 Год назад +1

      Why did a grown man follow a child. Why did it take Soo long for Zimmerman to get arrested? Where did the bruises actually come from? Lol..smh. PEDOPHILES AND BIGOTS ALWAYS seem to defend each other often. I hope the essay you wrote makes you feel better.

    • @whitemoose8667
      @whitemoose8667 Год назад +1

      @@richardtravick5794 Blacks hate facts 😂

    • @Clifford-jv7hk
      @Clifford-jv7hk 9 месяцев назад +8

      No one cares about FACTS .

    • @sean2015
      @sean2015 9 месяцев назад

      You also forgot about how a NBC affiliate redacted portions of the 911 call to make it sound as though GZ had racially profiled Martin. Specifically, they edited out the part where the dispatcher asked GZ what the suspect looked like ( _”Is he white? Black? Hispanic?”_ ) and made it sound as though Zimmerman had said _”This guy, he looks like he’s on drugs, he’s up to no good. He looks Black”_
      Journalists are such repulsive people, they truly are.

  • @j_rainsgoat3929
    @j_rainsgoat3929 7 месяцев назад +10

    I hope y'all have seen the true RUclips video about this. Girlfriend on trail wasn't even involved with travon. She was sister to diamond who was ttrevons boo thang. Treyvon attacked george beating his head into ground anyone who stands up for that is wrong.

  • @freebird7284
    @freebird7284 7 месяцев назад +12

    go watch The Trayvon Hoax, it's real eye opening.

    • @ryand141
      @ryand141 3 месяца назад +1

      Because it supports your views?

    • @CoolNala
      @CoolNala 2 месяца назад +1

      @@ryand141And you believe the mainstream media's.... Why?

  • @hugostiglitz5976
    @hugostiglitz5976 7 месяцев назад +10

    Graduated from college by now?.. yea, after getting kicked out of 3 high schools… sure

    • @escanor113
      @escanor113 7 месяцев назад +2

      Ppl get degrees in jail, and that may sound harsh but a lot of guys do turn around in jail

  • @KingsOfCalifornia
    @KingsOfCalifornia 5 месяцев назад +8

    A movement needs to be based on truth. If it is built on half truths, misinformation or lies, it will fail and cause a backlash when the truth is revealed.

    • @zariyaac
      @zariyaac 11 часов назад

      It was based on truth

  • @RobBingham
    @RobBingham 7 месяцев назад +6

    Everyone should watch “The Trayvon Hoax.”

  • @johnwebb2442
    @johnwebb2442 Месяц назад +3

    Rest in peace Trayvon Martin.

  • @MsDisneylandlover
    @MsDisneylandlover 2 года назад +54

    I lost my mom and bff due to cancer and it's hurt everyday.

    • @haveaniceday23
      @haveaniceday23 2 года назад +7

      Sending you prayers

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +3

      Prayers

    • @mako2king609
      @mako2king609 2 года назад +1

      All my prayers 🙏🏾🙌❤

    • @keishajones8570
      @keishajones8570 2 года назад +1

      Im sorry to hear that babe. Im hurting with you and I will pray with out you on this matter my love. Rest

    • @donnaviggiano5498
      @donnaviggiano5498 Год назад

      Sorry to hear that.

  • @larryhillebrand5421
    @larryhillebrand5421 7 месяцев назад +4

    Once again all the facts are not told to the public

  • @louisoost121
    @louisoost121 7 месяцев назад +3

    Love of how this hoax was exposed. His mother hiding that letter the fake diamond eugene in court which was her step sister.

  • @kikiwilliams4980
    @kikiwilliams4980 2 года назад +13

    Real talk - If black men didn’t have a reputation for breaking the law - these things wouldn’t happen. You can’t keep blaming everyone else - the problem is internal and we gotta deal with it.

    • @rubygilliam2725
      @rubygilliam2725 2 года назад

      It's not who our black men are it is who they portray them as to carry out their deceitfulness. THEY want them to be worse than they are but we're not. So if you believe the hype you are a part of the problem.

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 2 года назад +8

      Just say you’re racist and go on

    • @kikiwilliams4980
      @kikiwilliams4980 2 года назад +3

      Also - I’m black! 🤣🤣

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 2 года назад +5

      @@kikiwilliams4980 No u ain’t 🤣

    • @kikiwilliams4980
      @kikiwilliams4980 2 года назад

      Ok INC PEN.

  • @scotthugins7672
    @scotthugins7672 7 месяцев назад +3

    This is a ridiculous one sided view of a much more complex chronology of events.

  • @bennyhotsteppa9388
    @bennyhotsteppa9388 10 месяцев назад +10

    The parents abandoned him until it was time to make money off him. The case was settled…self defense.. case is closed!

    • @rosacarroll6977
      @rosacarroll6977 7 месяцев назад

      He was visiting his dad lived with his mom.

  • @kickyourfaceandlaugh607
    @kickyourfaceandlaugh607 Год назад +3

    Let’s not forget he was on drugs when he got shot.

    • @escanor113
      @escanor113 7 месяцев назад +2

      Skittles and juice are used to drink lean

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 5 месяцев назад

      No he wasn’t

    • @escanor113
      @escanor113 5 месяцев назад

      @@kjs257incpen3 from the documentary it wasn’t confirmed if he was on drugs during the shooting, but there are videos of him smoking and they speculated he was around lean from fb videos

    • @jermainelatimer804
      @jermainelatimer804 2 месяца назад

      ​@escanor113 that's not true

  • @lk3309
    @lk3309 2 года назад +31

    What about that guy that ran over all those people in the Christmas parade? That story sure disappeared quickly.

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +4

      Yep. The racist media

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +2

      Because trump supporters and Republicans don't riot and loot

    • @stevepd1
      @stevepd1 2 года назад +2

      Yes, what's the latest on the black grinch that stole Christmas?

    • @haveaniceday23
      @haveaniceday23 2 года назад +1

      I'm white and I'm so blessed that I wasn't Raised like you. Racist

    • @dueceduck3608
      @dueceduck3608 2 года назад +2

      @@pdumpsterful Jan 6?

  • @kemolowlow
    @kemolowlow 3 месяца назад +2

    10 years later....the MSM still won't say Arizona Watermelon Juice...LuLz

  • @24james
    @24james 2 года назад +10

    And 10 years later, Americans STILL have the right to defend themselves…just like the jury concluded. Quit whining because you don’t like it CNS😭💯🖕🏽

    • @vernier8159
      @vernier8159 2 года назад +1

      If that's the case then Zimmerman should be dead or in jail right now for not only stalking a underage boy but initiating a confrontation he was told to avoid but hey what's consistency and double standards suppose to mean anyway.

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад

      @@vernier8159 you got it all wrong. Trayvon initiated the stalking. Zimmerman stood down when told to

    • @tiag298
      @tiag298 Год назад +1

      Everyone gets their turn. 😶‍🌫️

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 Год назад

      @@pdumpsterful Nope Zimmerman initiated the entire situation

  • @pdumpsterful
    @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +21

    So much fake information surrounding this case

    • @michaelc1063
      @michaelc1063 2 года назад +1

      Like what?

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +2

      @@michaelc1063 Rachel jeantel was a fake witness. It was her half sister who was on the phone with Trayvon and refused to testify. Also Zimmerman didn't continue to follow when told not to. Trayvon went back to confront Zimmerman and then he attacked him

    • @michaelc1063
      @michaelc1063 2 года назад +2

      @@pdumpsterful
      The half sister? 🤔 How do you know?
      You are wrong in your point
      Zimmerman did in fact get out of the vehicle to confront Trayvon. You can hear the car door open chime in the phone call. He did not obey the police order to not follow him because he felt martin "was gonna get away"

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад

      @@michaelc1063 obviously you didn't look through this carefully. Joel Gilbert did a documentary on this case. He got all the phone records and found out that it was diamond eugene on the phone with Trayvon and not Rachel jeantel. The video is called the Trayvon hoax. I got the book as well. As far as Zimmerman following him, get a map of the housing complex and then listen to the 911 call. Trayvon initiated the stalking when he went to check out Zimmerman. Then Trayvon ran that is when Zimmerman left his vehicle. Trayvon could have made it home but instead he turned back to confront Zimmerman and then he attacked him

    • @michaelc1063
      @michaelc1063 2 года назад +1

      @@pdumpsterful YOU JUST ADMITTED IT!!
      ZIMMERMAN CHASED HIM!!!

  • @cornellynch730
    @cornellynch730 6 месяцев назад +2

    Who’s here after watching the other documentary and realizing this was a hoax and Rachel Jean tel was a fake witness

    • @qhpainters
      @qhpainters 6 месяцев назад

      Crazy, this whole thing is a lie, Trayvon didn't die because of a hoodie neither was he carrying juice and candy just because, he would get high off of the skittles juice mixing it with cough syrup "LEAN"

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 5 месяцев назад

      @@qhpaintersJust say you’re racist and go on

  • @teresawicks-kq3bq
    @teresawicks-kq3bq 2 месяца назад +1

    I heard Tray made it home but he left to find that murderer. What i dont understand is why didn’t Trayvon just go home and stay.

  • @EricCox4848
    @EricCox4848 Год назад +6

    My last year of college, 2012. A lot of debate going on about this killing. I never will forget. In fact, the trial was a pretty big story and obviously the verdict didn't sit well with Trayvon's family. It never really ended for anybody.

    • @Clifford-jv7hk
      @Clifford-jv7hk 9 месяцев назад +6

      Maybe Trayvonne should not have tried to " teach that creepy cracka a lesson"

    • @iseeeverything
      @iseeeverything 9 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@Clifford-jv7hk well zimmerman is a "creepy cracka" because he's not such a good person, check his history

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 8 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@iseeeverythingit's still a hoax

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 7 месяцев назад

      @@Clifford-jv7hk Just hush at this point

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 7 месяцев назад

      @@Clifford-jv7hk Zimmerman should’ve left Trayvon alone

  • @blueleafevirosvc.inc.2796
    @blueleafevirosvc.inc.2796 2 года назад +56

    It's been 10 years and it still pains me.

    • @infidel__sniper
      @infidel__sniper 2 года назад +2

      Yeah it's a huge milestone for Trayvon, he hasn't committed a crime in 10 years

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад

      What pains you? The fake news?

    • @bellcurve5457
      @bellcurve5457 2 года назад

      Lol...He assaulted someone who had a legal gun, keep your hands to yourself and you won't get killed.

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 Год назад

      @Ridge Torn Just hush at this point

    • @hunter6719
      @hunter6719 7 месяцев назад +5

      You need to watch the Tray Martin hoax

  • @suehaynie5054
    @suehaynie5054 11 месяцев назад +1

    Can you scan the picture of Trevion Martin at 13 years old when he was much older than that

  • @Eltanin25
    @Eltanin25 4 месяца назад +1

    If I remember correctly, George Zimmerman didn't use the "Stand your ground" law, his defense used self defense claim. Also, it's nice to play the recording of the operator saying "We don't need you to follow him," but in that case it wouldn't be amiss to also play the next part where it is clear that Zimmerman stopped the following.
    Also a hypothetical question comes to my mind when watching this. If we swapped the races of the main protagonists in this story, would be the reaction of the African American community to the verdict the same?

  • @HelloWorld-kq3jt
    @HelloWorld-kq3jt 2 года назад +23

    When keepin it real goes wrong.

  • @MsDisneylandlover
    @MsDisneylandlover 2 года назад +64

    My hearts gose to mothers who lost their children's.

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +4

      Me too and we need to teach our children better

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +6

      Everyone screaming about the cops today but I say teach your children better and how to interact with others especially the police

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +3

      We feel sad for their loss but we need to teach our children better

    • @BrianKabonyo
      @BrianKabonyo 2 года назад +2

      @@pdumpsterful Just like the criminal Ethan Crumbley and his criminal parents who couldn't raise one child properly, too bad they will be costing tax payers a lot of money.

    • @BrianKabonyo
      @BrianKabonyo 2 года назад +1

      @Debra Little Just like the criminal Ethan Crumbley and his criminal parents who couldn't raise one child properly, too bad they will be costing tax payers a lot of money.

  • @pdumpsterful
    @pdumpsterful Год назад +2

    Don't attack people and you will be fine

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 Год назад

      Just hush at this point please

    • @xshggshzhbdhejejhbdhsgafwcegd
      @xshggshzhbdhejejhbdhsgafwcegd Год назад +1

      If some fat mexican kept following me with a gun and tried to stop me. yeah I'm fighting he had no right to follow this dude. I don't understand how he got away. People have been sentence for shooting a robber who broke into their home and killed the intruder. Sentence bc he shot him in the back. But this guy follows him kills him. The threat wasn't there until George followed him. Doesn't fit right

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful Год назад

      @@xshggshzhbdhejejhbdhsgafwcegd you have no idea what happened in this case. All your information is wrong

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 Год назад

      @@pdumpsterful Just hush at this point

  • @Jebe_Noyon
    @Jebe_Noyon 7 месяцев назад +2

    Trayvon would be in prison today. Justice was delivered. Thanks George Z

  • @nikkistewart
    @nikkistewart 5 месяцев назад +1

    Journalism at its finest! Just show the parts that support your narrative. Don't bother with those pesky facts that get in the way. This is what is wrong with America. The media is putting wedges between us to make money.

  • @pdumpsterful
    @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +5

    Teach your children better

    • @dreameryoung38
      @dreameryoung38 3 месяца назад

      He was coming from the store not doing anything being followed by a trigger happy punk

    • @kingbaboon1145
      @kingbaboon1145 3 месяца назад

      He was just walking...

    • @teresawicks-kq3bq
      @teresawicks-kq3bq 2 месяца назад

      You must not have any melanin

  • @kingkrysen
    @kingkrysen 2 года назад +6

    Can't believe its been 10 years I remember it like it was yesterday I was in middle school 8th grade when it happened

    • @bellcurve5457
      @bellcurve5457 2 года назад

      No GAF where u were.

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 Год назад

      @@bellcurve5457 Boy hush

    • @bellcurve5457
      @bellcurve5457 Год назад

      @@kjs257incpen3 go away cupcake. No one takes your type serious.

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 Год назад +1

      @@bellcurve5457 make me go away cupcake

    • @bellcurve5457
      @bellcurve5457 Год назад +1

      @@kjs257incpen3 If u go away I will tell u who your daddy is.

  • @earthspeakers
    @earthspeakers 11 месяцев назад +1

    RIP LIL BRO 🖤

  • @motaman5936
    @motaman5936 7 месяцев назад +1

    No he would not have graduated, that fool was going down the wrong path

  • @WhyFeartheTruthNow
    @WhyFeartheTruthNow 2 года назад +3

    A crook as the attorney general. Probably has happened more than once.

  • @dav0n
    @dav0n 2 года назад +9

    @10:23 wonder if he would’ve been worried about “statutes” if it were his child?

  • @bradlee2594
    @bradlee2594 7 месяцев назад +2

    The truth is coming, because truth shall once again matter.

  • @jumperguy9867
    @jumperguy9867 Год назад +1

    Tracy Martin LISTENED to the recording of the screaming and told the lead detective that it was NOT his son screaming. All lies from that point on.

  • @rubygilliam2725
    @rubygilliam2725 2 года назад +5

    What is this world coming to! Even though President Obama speaks on the injustice of Martin's family nothing matters within the criminal justice system there's no justice as the world watches a cold blooded murderer walks free. 😡😡😡

    • @bellcurve5457
      @bellcurve5457 2 года назад +6

      "Cold blooded murderer" 😆 Zimmerman legally defended himself.

    • @bellcurve5457
      @bellcurve5457 2 года назад +3

      "Cold blooded murderer" 😆 Zimmerman legally defended himself.

    • @ninadaly7639
      @ninadaly7639 2 года назад +4

      Boy do you need to start over. The only cold-blooded one in this story was Treyvon!

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful Год назад

      Do you even know what happened?

    • @MichaelTurner856
      @MichaelTurner856 Год назад +1

      @@bellcurve5457 He could've just waited for the police instead of instigating. He started it and legal or not that "defense" was deliberately malicious and he is a murderer

  • @visteobman4085
    @visteobman4085 2 года назад +43

    Zimmerman... acquitted... self defense because Trayvon was on top of him, pounding his head into the concrete as Zimmerman cried out for help and for Trayvon to stop.

    • @SoapinTrucker
      @SoapinTrucker 2 года назад +25

      And most people would have done the same thing to Zimmerman for stalking and harassing them!

    • @88Crager
      @88Crager 2 года назад +15

      That was Trayvon crying for help.

    • @justicefreedom1158
      @justicefreedom1158 2 года назад +14

      George Zimmerman is a national HERO 🦸‍♂️

    • @SR-lz7kl
      @SR-lz7kl 2 года назад +5

      @Bullet to the Neck haha exactly

    • @lagon7830
      @lagon7830 2 года назад +11

      @@SoapinTrucker Not really. Atleast, not firearm owners. Firearm owners understand use of force, and will not initiate a physical altercation. Use of force is a last resort, kid could've kept walking like a civilized person, and he'd have been released by law enforcement, and still alive today.

  • @pdumpsterful
    @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +1

    Still pushing the Trayvon hoax

  • @medinalamaison4772
    @medinalamaison4772 Год назад +22

    Ms. Sabrina you are such a strong woman and a mother. I've never forgotten about Trayvon. He is my son too 💔💔💔💔❤❤❤❤❤ in fact my son looks like him. I can't imagine the pain you and your family are going through. So so so heart wrenching. I'm praying for you and Trayvon all the time. 🙏🙏🙏🙏

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful Год назад +4

      The trayvon hoax!

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 Год назад

      @@pdumpsterful Just hush at this point

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful Год назад +4

      Teach your children better

    • @SS-ko5fo
      @SS-ko5fo Год назад

      Boohoo.

    • @jumperguy9867
      @jumperguy9867 Год назад

      Sybrina Fulton is a LIAR. When the REAL girl who was talking with Trayvon refused to contribute to the investigation, Sybrina recruited Rachel Jeantel, who lied on the stand. Ben Crump original stated that the young lady who was speaking with Trayvon the night he died was a "16 year old minor". Rachel was 18 on the day the shooting occurred. When she testified, Crump KNEW she was not the one who was involved, and he said NOTHING!

  • @GeorgeDaniels-me7ru
    @GeorgeDaniels-me7ru Год назад +22

    Thank god justice prevailed.

  • @pdumpsterful
    @pdumpsterful Год назад +2

    The Trayvon hoax!

  • @pdumpsterful
    @pdumpsterful 11 месяцев назад +1

    Showing childhood pictures of trayvon. Why don't they show childhood pictures of Zimmerman?

  • @ellisisland1374
    @ellisisland1374 Год назад +6

    RIP Trayvon Martin.

  • @pdumpsterful
    @pdumpsterful Год назад +6

    These fools fell for the Trayvon hoax

  • @gurnblanstein9816
    @gurnblanstein9816 Год назад +2

    I like how the media lies about what kind of drink it was. It wasn't iced tea, it was Arizona watermelon fruit juice cocktail. But they didn't want to say watermelon because trayvon was black. Trayvon was going to use it to make lean his text messages even say so.

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful Год назад

      People ignore the truth. They are race hustlers

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 Год назад

      @@pdumpsterful Just hush at this point

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful Год назад

      Trippin trayvon

  • @georgehamilton7990
    @georgehamilton7990 8 месяцев назад +1

    Any decent person is sad about Trayvon's death. However, this video doesn't tell nearly enough of the story. I would encourage anyone with an open mind to search for "the glenn show trayvon martin 10 years later " here on RUclips. Yes, Black Lives Matter, and so does truth.

  • @scottlamb2717
    @scottlamb2717 2 года назад +3

    Im so sorry

  • @jeepcompass5973
    @jeepcompass5973 Год назад +3

    Millions of black kids behave in a civil manner every single day. They don't seem to have any problems like continuously did. Let us judge him by the content of his character.
    Seems to run in the family as they were shooting each other over t-shirt sales.

  • @rick_222
    @rick_222 4 месяца назад +1

    The hoodie is a known symbol of criminals.

  • @pdumpsterful
    @pdumpsterful 6 месяцев назад +2

    Sabrina Fulton didnt raise trayvon

    • @qhpainters
      @qhpainters 6 месяцев назад

      She's also a liar, little by little were all realizing it was all a lie and that's why Zimmerman was let off in the first place.

  • @MsDisneylandlover
    @MsDisneylandlover 2 года назад +20

    I pray his soul is with God.

    • @leahgary1107
      @leahgary1107 2 года назад +5

      I'm sure it is. My deepest condolences to his family. I would not wish that pain on anyone. May God bless and keep them. May God bless you too sweetie and your kind compassionate soul. 🕊

    • @gaetanomaximus8650
      @gaetanomaximus8650 2 года назад +2

      It isn't.

    • @leahgary1107
      @leahgary1107 2 года назад +4

      @@gaetanomaximus8650 That's not for you to judge.

    • @gaetanomaximus8650
      @gaetanomaximus8650 2 года назад +2

      @@leahgary1107 If you can find a passage in the bible where thugs who are killed while assaulting someone are welcomed into heaven, please point it out.

    • @jermainelatimer804
      @jermainelatimer804 2 года назад +3

      @@gaetanomaximus8650 how do you know that???🤨

  • @janicethomas3278
    @janicethomas3278 Год назад +27

    I remember when the clerk said not guilty, I cried as if Treyvon was my child. I will never forget!! I will also never forget Tamir Rice.

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful Год назад +13

      Why would you cry? It's unfortunate that he got killed but he made some very poor choices that day

    • @janicethomas3278
      @janicethomas3278 Год назад +6

      @@pdumpsterful George Zimmerman made poor choices, this child was just walking home after going to the store. Zimmerman made the poor choice to follow him. I am sure the fact that he was armed played a major role in that decision. His emergency was " a guy walking slowly in the rain, that was up to no good". The McMichaels emergency was a black man running down the street. Both "emergencies" was a poor decisions, it was just one jury had courage, the other one did not. The loss of any life is sad, especially one that has only had 17 years worth. I have a black son and 4 black grandsons that could walk home from a store, or jog through a neighborhood or even look or whistle at a white woman. Aparrently that is not a fear that you have to concern yourself with.

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful Год назад +9

      @@janicethomas3278 I would agree with you if that is what happened but Zimmerman didn't follow him. Zimmerman saw Trayvon hanging around in people's yards and looking at the houses and wasn't trying to get out of the rain so he thought that was suspicious. Instead of confronting Trayvon he did the right thing by calling for help on the non emergency police line. Zimmerman observed him from his truck and that's when Trayvon came back to check out Zimmerman and circle his truck. Then Trayvon ran away and that's when Zimmerman left his truck to see where Trayvon went. When Trayvon ran away he was only 20sec away from home. Minutes elapse after Zimmerman hung up with non emergency and that's when Trayvon hung around and turned back to confront Zimmerman and then attack. Trayvon was looking for a fight. He made stupid choices that cost him his life. If he had been raised better things might have turned out differently. It's very very sad

    • @janicethomas3278
      @janicethomas3278 Год назад +2

      @@pdumpsterful It behooves me how you make statements that are not facts. Trayvon never siad he circled Zimmerman's truck. Trayvon never said he was 20 seconds away from home. Trayvon never said he was not in a hurry to get home out of the rain. So if Trayvon never said those things than how can anyone be sure that they are correct. Maybe he was not afraid of the rain, saw no reason to rush. His hoodie might have been all he needed to protect him from the light drizzle. Now here are the facts, Trayvon had been to the. store on Sunday evening. Purchased candy and a soda, had no weapon, belonged in the neighborhood. Like any other teen age boy talking to girl on the phone. Had Zimmerman not made the poor choice to think he was up to no good he would have made it home safely. Zimmerman on the other hand, would not have killed him, and made his own life miserable. If you and Zimmerman both had been raised with the Love of God, he would have seen Trayvon as a young boy whose life mattered, and you would not have written this horrible post. There IS a lot to be said about the way one is raised!

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful Год назад +6

      @@janicethomas3278 you are speculating on what happened. If you listen to the 911 call you can hear Zimmerman tell the dispatcher he's coming to check me out. That's when Trayvon came back and circled his truck. Then Zimmerman says he ran away. If you look at a map of the housing complex when Trayvon ran away you can see that he was only 20sec away from home. After the phone call ended it was several minutes before Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. It's obvious he hung around to confront Zimmerman and attack. We were taught to avoid confrontations with people especially the police and we taught, no fighting! Trayvon was a troubled teen. You can read his text messages and he came from a broken home

  • @joseramos4320
    @joseramos4320 7 месяцев назад +2

    Just came out the witness lied

  • @moveinsilence2268
    @moveinsilence2268 11 месяцев назад +1

    His dad sacrifice him forsure to get up in degree of a elitehood and do ur research

  • @Derail07
    @Derail07 2 года назад +6

    Meanwhile in Chicago....

  • @obbible7297
    @obbible7297 2 года назад +14

    Why is everyone being so mean?

    • @piperbickham8387
      @piperbickham8387 2 года назад +3

      ♎️ we’re so KIND 👋

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 2 года назад +6

      @Hooknose Shylock NO HE DIDN’T ATTACK ZIMMERMAN, ZIMMERMAN STARTED IT AND TRAYVON DIDN’T DESERVE IT JUST SAY YOU’RE RACIST AND GO ON

    • @SoapinTrucker
      @SoapinTrucker 2 года назад +1

      @@ada-vet-hbar-ach1772 "the timing of this video is actually the issue"
      Really? And..... when was Trayvon MURDERED? Feb 26th? OH, and it's
      Black History Month too, yeah, I understand your comment. *NOT!* SMFH
      And for the record, it's an INVASION, not a Genocide! SMFH again!

    • @justicefreedom1158
      @justicefreedom1158 2 года назад

      George Zimmerman is a national HERO 🦸‍♂️

    • @SR-lz7kl
      @SR-lz7kl 2 года назад

      @Bullet to the Neck haha wow

  • @stephenroome7759
    @stephenroome7759 2 месяца назад

    He was just eating skittles lololololol

  • @dannonesyogurt
    @dannonesyogurt 4 месяца назад

    Travon Hoax Documentary is eye opening.
    Vote or Die they told us.

  • @jilliannotice8852
    @jilliannotice8852 2 года назад +22

    I was pregnant with my son marching, I won’t ever forget this or what I endured

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад

      Did you ever learn the facts of this case or have you been deceived by the fake media reporting?

    • @jilliannotice8852
      @jilliannotice8852 2 года назад +4

      @@pdumpsterful I know people got paid and I wasn’t one of them 🤣🤣

    • @ninadaly7639
      @ninadaly7639 2 года назад

      You must feel pretty stupid now for marching.

    • @bellcurve5457
      @bellcurve5457 2 года назад

      You didn't endure anything, there have been 80,000 blacks killed since then. Guess by who?

    • @jilliannotice8852
      @jilliannotice8852 2 года назад

      @@bellcurve5457 sometimes death is easier though, because I lived and survived I didn’t endure anything 😂😂

  • @rodee1671
    @rodee1671 2 года назад +10

    We need to quit glorifying criminals, ffs, these 2 included.

  • @barrysorento3572
    @barrysorento3572 2 года назад

    Wonder if cbs will do a Nick Sandmann or Jeffrey Epstein,,, 10 years later

  • @justmyopinion9883
    @justmyopinion9883 Год назад

    "God is still on His throne"---Sabrina Fulton. This is what Miss Sabrina said the day George Zimmerman was found not guilty of murdering her son. I wrote this down on a yellow sticky note and put it on my desk.
    That yellow sticky note is still there.

  • @MsDisneylandlover
    @MsDisneylandlover 2 года назад +11

    Vengeance is still the Lord.

    • @misanthrope4life584
      @misanthrope4life584 2 года назад

      You still believe that b.s? God ain't even do nothing to the people that killed Jesus. You believe in God while blacks die everyday from blacks and racists? Well obviously the lord is on they side cuz, we the only ones getting vengeance on us....

  • @shirleylavis797
    @shirleylavis797 2 года назад +11

    My heart still hurts

    • @Derail07
      @Derail07 2 года назад

      Let's just make it all about you

    • @clint6529
      @clint6529 2 года назад

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @michaelshepherd733
      @michaelshepherd733 2 года назад

      LMAO

    • @clevername8832
      @clevername8832 2 года назад

      Prilosec works pretty well.

    • @gsxravery
      @gsxravery 2 года назад +3

      It was self defense. Why do you care so much for criminals?

  • @wubutterflies4156
    @wubutterflies4156 Год назад +2

    I hate Zimmerman so much. I don't understand why evil people get away .

    • @bradlee2594
      @bradlee2594 Год назад +1

      Have you ever heard the notion that ignorance breeds contempt - or hate? You might look into it.

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful Год назад

      The democrats have been getting away with evil for years

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 Год назад

      @@bradlee2594 Just hush at this point please

    • @bradlee2594
      @bradlee2594 Год назад +1

      @@kjs257incpen3 - Just go learn the stuff you missed in 3rd grade, please. Perhaps then you will be able to formulate an original thought.

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 Год назад

      @@bradlee2594 I already passed 3rd grade so hush

  • @ByDaviddessine
    @ByDaviddessine 2 года назад

    Hello like for this information 💁‍♂️

  • @VivalaryMan
    @VivalaryMan 2 года назад +6

    I wonder what he'd be doing with his life now if he was still alive.

  • @jasminemay5799
    @jasminemay5799 2 года назад +31

    I remember this case ugh still hurts 10 years later 🙏🏿🙏🏿for the family may he rip life so unfair

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +5

      Life can be unfair that's why its important to make good decisions and obviously Trayvon didn't. It is sad

    • @limo4518
      @limo4518 2 года назад

      STFP🤣

    • @BrianKabonyo
      @BrianKabonyo 2 года назад

      @@pdumpsterful Just like the criminal Ethan Crumbley and his criminal parents who couldn't raise one child properly, too bad they will be costing tax payers a lot of money.

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +1

      @@BrianKabonyo who is eathen crumbly?

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +4

      Teach your children better

  • @taraelaine8
    @taraelaine8 7 месяцев назад

    Amen better place

  • @chauvonp5330
    @chauvonp5330 11 месяцев назад

    I would never visit Florida, can’t believe this guy is still alive tbh unbelievable

    • @jobobbob5825
      @jobobbob5825 10 месяцев назад

      Do you think he should have been murdered?

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 10 месяцев назад +1

      The trayvon hoax

    • @reiniergarcia
      @reiniergarcia 10 месяцев назад +1

      We don’t want you here anyway😂

    • @delgadillovergara
      @delgadillovergara 7 месяцев назад

      ruclips.net/video/fv2zVtslDSE/видео.html&ab_channel=KingsofDocs

  • @kawai99100
    @kawai99100 2 года назад +4

    My advice is, stop listening to gang banging rap, wearing the pants like you are some gang. The hoodies. STOP acting the part. Get a job, dress like a decent person. You WILL start to be treated and viewed differently. Can't have it both ways. Stop speaking ebonics, etc. You think I'm being racists? So many black people are definitely wishing the same thing.

    • @Schnoz42069
      @Schnoz42069 2 года назад +3

      Get help

    • @Schnoz42069
      @Schnoz42069 2 года назад

      Your mind is full of poison

    • @mako2king609
      @mako2king609 2 года назад

      @@Schnoz42069 and your mind is full of ignorance, move on kiddo.

    • @ryand141
      @ryand141 Год назад

      You stop wearing those cowboy boots and get up on time and get a real home, not a trailer. Stop talking that sh.t you spewed out of your backside, ate, and regurgitated out your mouth. That's just the way that I talk y'all. Vocabulary spills I'm ill.

    • @kingbaboon1145
      @kingbaboon1145 3 месяца назад

      ​@@Schnoz42069he's right tho. Gotta quit glorifying gang banging.

  • @oogabooga7882
    @oogabooga7882 2 года назад +9

    lucky he aint looting n whippin the poor mistreated statues.

    • @oogabooga7882
      @oogabooga7882 2 года назад +2

      @Bullet to the Neck you'll surely win if you keep shooting your own folks for sport. it's a genius plan.

  • @TonyDanza4Lyfe
    @TonyDanza4Lyfe Год назад +2

    Yeah a mamas boy that you literally kicked out

  • @vickiemckay4259
    @vickiemckay4259 7 месяцев назад

    One person, is missing from this is Jill Henderson.. Bakari Henderson Mother, the yng man that was killed in Greece back 2017. Even though Bakari was not murdered by a gun! I strongly feel she should be there. With those group of women. That's just my opinion❤❤

  • @okayyyy8028
    @okayyyy8028 2 года назад +8

    Martin A blm clown

  • @sissyhippie9799
    @sissyhippie9799 2 года назад +5

    RIP young Man .. this was Wrong All The Way Around .. he was just a baby . Young man’s eyes are so many Too Many Young Man Died for just Because He Was a Black Young Man 🖤. Praying for her Beautiful soul ..

    • @michaelshepherd733
      @michaelshepherd733 2 года назад +2

      LMAO

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 2 года назад

      @Hooknose Shylock Zimmerman started it Trayvon was protecting himself

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 2 года назад +1

      @Hooknose Shylock Nope Zimmerman started it and he a coward

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 2 года назад +3

      People should teach their children better

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 Год назад

      @@pdumpsterful Just hush at this point

  • @user-du1vf4mn5c
    @user-du1vf4mn5c 7 месяцев назад +1

    Play stupid games win stupid prizes

  • @DebNKY
    @DebNKY 5 месяцев назад

    Still breaks my heart. I have a 17 yo nephew who wears hoodies even in summer. Just terrifying to think he could lose his life over it. Senseless.

    • @bradlee2594
      @bradlee2594 5 месяцев назад +1

      A hoodie had nothing to do with what happened the night Trayvon Martin was shot and killed. NOTHING. That you (and so many others) think it did is an overwhelming indication the media (and social media) has significant power over too many people.

    • @KpxUrz5745
      @KpxUrz5745 5 месяцев назад +2

      So you actually think Trayvon was killed for wearing a hoodie?? See, this is why we cannot move forward on these cases.

    • @DebNKY
      @DebNKY 5 месяцев назад

      @@KpxUrz5745 I think racism killed Trayvon.

    • @bradlee2594
      @bradlee2594 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@DebNKY - Like the hoodie, racism had nothing to do with Trayvon being killed. Zimmerman could have been as racist as any human ever, but the reason Trayvon was killed was because he attacked Zimmerman, unprovoked, and would not stop attacking Zimmerman.

    • @DebNKY
      @DebNKY 5 месяцев назад

      @@bradlee2594 he was a vigilante.

  • @hannahdover9961
    @hannahdover9961 Год назад +8

    I lived in the area at the time and I will never forget it.
    "Stand Your Ground" my arse!! George Zimmerman *_Followed_* Trayvon. He was told not to, and he followed him anyway. He instigated that confrontation, and we only have his word as to what really happened.
    If Trayvon had been armed that night and felt threatened by this POS wannabe cop following him, if he had felt in fear for his life, would *_Stand Your Ground_* have applied to him? Would Trayvon have been acquitted under the same circumstances?
    I highly doubt it. They would've found him guilty and given him life in prison without a second thought.
    Zimmerman walked and was constantly in the news. He thought he was invincible after that darn verdict.
    I know nothing will bring Trayvon Martin back to his family and friends; however, things have got to change!!

    • @visteobman4085
      @visteobman4085 Год назад +7

      I agree, "stand your ground", my arse. Zimmerman could not escape the situation with Trayvon on top. Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon when so instructed. Trayvon had disappeared for 4 minutes before the confrontation when he returned.
      These facts were undisputed in the trial. Guess you didn't watch.

    • @gordonjlightfoot
      @gordonjlightfoot Год назад +6

      I dont suppose it would make you feel any better to know the fact that "Stand Your Ground" was never used in this court case?

    • @OmniMale
      @OmniMale Год назад +4

      Stop. You don't live in Sanford. And everything you said is incorrect.

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 Год назад +2

      @@visteobman4085 The facts are: 1) Zimmerman (adult) was armed and Trayvon (minor) was not 2) Zimmerman was asked by the 911 operator to desist pursuit which he disregarded and 3) Zimmerman was THE primary aggressor in an incident that was tantamount to harassment/stalking
      ...all other "facts" one presents to explain away Zimmermans culpability for Trayvons death are/were so designed to allow him to escape accountability for his actions. You have a great day...

    • @visteobman4085
      @visteobman4085 Год назад +5

      @@kjs257incpen3 guess you never watched the trial. Never too late...
      Dispatcher: Are you following him?
      Zimmerman: Yeah.
      Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.
      Zimmerman: Okay.
      At that point Zimmerman stayed where he was. It was Trayvon that returned 4 minutes later and confronted Zimmerman.
      No need to thank me for educating you. It's a wonderful day!!!

  • @ryanryder5926
    @ryanryder5926 2 года назад +8

    Real story- George Zimmerman, saw the Ice tea and skittles and being the fat guy he is he tried to steal Trayvons Skittles and ice tea which obviously angered trayvon and then a fight erupted which led to Martins death

    • @breaks3085
      @breaks3085 2 года назад +1

      Facts good thinking

    • @ryanryder5926
      @ryanryder5926 2 года назад

      @Skeeter Skelton no its real story

    • @shabeki
      @shabeki 2 года назад

      LOL

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 Год назад

      @@shabeki Hush

    • @shabeki
      @shabeki Год назад +1

      @@kjs257incpen3 Take your own advice.😁

  • @user-te3mw8tn6p
    @user-te3mw8tn6p Год назад +1

    Man never made it to adulthood

  • @pdumpsterful
    @pdumpsterful 6 месяцев назад

    Didnt he say mama licia? That was his mom for 14 years

  • @wibblesmcscribbles3018
    @wibblesmcscribbles3018 2 года назад +6

    10 years and Zimmerman still don’t got his Nobel peace prize yet wtf 😭

  • @jalenjose3905
    @jalenjose3905 2 года назад +3

    His father broke the curfew by not telling his violent son his community had a community patrol.

    • @Schnoz42069
      @Schnoz42069 2 года назад +7

      Get help

    • @lailaiross2102
      @lailaiross2102 Год назад

      Hopefully your kid don’t go for A walk and get shot

    • @jalenjose3905
      @jalenjose3905 Год назад

      @@lailaiross2102 on my son's defense, we don't go disrespecting people while walking, he got shot because his irresponsible father failed to informed his son, rip. Be carefull son,this community have community patrol. But as always blame the other person for their own bad parenting.if he just stop for a second to tell his son. Son we have patrol and you are new to this area be nice if they ask you who you are and where your parents lives. And by not being a parent he list his son to a self defense act.who is to blame you tel me.

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 7 месяцев назад

      @@jalenjose3905 Just hush at this point please

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 7 месяцев назад

      @@jalenjose3905 Trayvon never attacked
      Zimmerman. How come Zimmerman didn't
      suffer insignificant amount of Brain Damage
      after having his head repeatedly bashed, why
      did he refuse to go to the hospital when
      asked, and how come there is no blood on the
      sidewalk? I have a very hard time in buying
      Zimmerman' Self-defense claim.

  • @KpxUrz5745
    @KpxUrz5745 5 месяцев назад

    There's a few facts here, and a lot of stuff that is not facts. Needless to say, this is not the place to settle all these varied cases.

  • @mikecook4298
    @mikecook4298 7 месяцев назад

    turns out he attacked the guy that was watching the neighborhood , instead of saying im here visiting my dad

  • @Csc610
    @Csc610 7 месяцев назад

    Everything in the dark will come to light and he was no mommas boy she kicked him out to the curb and his stepmom took him in

  • @gevelegian
    @gevelegian 2 года назад +13

    I love how the Facebook posts where he was holding guns and bags of weed that he was selling weren't even mentioned here. Truly an innocent saint!

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 2 года назад +11

      Just say you’re racist and go on

    • @gevelegian
      @gevelegian 2 года назад +6

      @Brad Fuller Saying that they are portraying Martin as a saint does not mean that you have to be on Zimmerman's side.

    • @gevelegian
      @gevelegian 2 года назад +3

      @Brad Fuller Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic for a second there. I do agree that it was self defence, they aren't showing the full story here is the point I'm trying to make.

    • @kjs257incpen3
      @kjs257incpen3 2 года назад +6

      @Brad Fuller No tf he isn’t just say you’re racist and go on

    • @naitthegr8131
      @naitthegr8131 2 года назад +2

      Yeah Trayvon was the only kid in world history to have done weed and had a picture of a gun right?

  • @PumkinSeedandSpice
    @PumkinSeedandSpice 2 года назад +3

    soo much life was ahead of him such a shame n waste of life

    • @infidel__sniper
      @infidel__sniper 2 года назад +1

      Yeah, this is a huge milestone for Trayvon, it has been 10 years since he committed a crime🥳

  • @suehaynie5054
    @suehaynie5054 11 месяцев назад

    Can we not forget that Treyvon Martin was beating the crap out of him before he got the gun?
    Why, Zimmerman once he has a gun got out of his truck, we will never know, but Trayvon Martin was not sent victim !!!

    • @escanor113
      @escanor113 7 месяцев назад

      He said he got out his car because he lost sight of him and was trying to find him, then he got sucker punched

  • @tyshaunmayo3711
    @tyshaunmayo3711 8 месяцев назад

    The blacks from slavery matter I can’t get with people moving to America and getting rights that slaves fought for centuries

    • @beverlyhurd8556
      @beverlyhurd8556 8 месяцев назад

      What war did slaves fight for centuries? What country are you thinking about?

    • @pdumpsterful
      @pdumpsterful 8 месяцев назад

      What slaves are you talking about?

  • @wavygang2343
    @wavygang2343 Год назад +5

    R.i.p Trayvon you will never be forgotten😔🙏

  • @leboholmes6576
    @leboholmes6576 2 года назад +8

    The class of people that legislate our laws do not share our plight! They are in a different pay scale from the masses! Just because u make a lot of money doesn’t mean u qualify to lead! As a matter of a fact, that’s why they don’t care about the same issues the masses does!!!!!

  • @user-th7on3jc5l
    @user-th7on3jc5l 4 месяца назад

    I know a kid he is a great skateboarder bc he lives downtown by a skatepark and he has been going there since he was like nine .BY HIMSELF AT NIGHT AND TO THE STORE ETC .PARENTS DONT EVER KNOW WHERE HE IS

  • @OmniMale
    @OmniMale Год назад +1

    He would have a record and probably in jail.