I ran out of gas in the Jeep Wrangler 4xe Hybrid with a full charge of battery 🔋
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- Опубликовано: 23 апр 2021
- What happens when the Jeep wrangler 4xe Hybrid runs out of gas but has a full battery. I was not expecting this!! The Jeep 4xe will suprise you!
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Brandon, our hats' off to you and your determination to figure out the idiosyncrasies of the Xe. You the Man Bran.
I just took delivery of my 2022 4xe Sahara on Monday and have been watching ALL of your videos. THANK YOU for sharing so much fantastic information. You are the best resource and I am glad to have found you.
Grand Cherokee 4xe owner here. Religiously watching your vids to learn about the system and how it operates. Keep the good work on, buddy 👏
Lol, you are very brave to do this on the highway. Very interesting.
Brave? No. He could have picked a better spot to pull off that was not on the highway. I have seen too many crashes involving people in the emergency lane.
Another great video - good information and better every-day experiences than any other site out there!
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Great video! I just bought a 2023 4xe, hands down the best vehicle I have ever purchased ( and I have had and HAVE some cool stuff)! Thanks for the video.
Glad you did this. I was thinking about trying it just to see what happens.
You can still do it brother!!
This is fantastic information to have. Thank you for doing this experiment for us. Definitely smarter now.
thanks again,
Pat
I'm learning SO MUCH when watching your vids, buddy! I think you're basically experiencing the system doing everything it can to extend your range, and that means keeping BOTH systems operating in tandem for as long as it can. So it switches to electric before it runs out of fuel so it can fire up the engine when it needs lots of power at once. At other times, even in E-save mode, it's using just a bit of battery instead of using more gas, with the idea that it's more efficient with the electric giving the extra push, and that it can regen that power on the next brake or downhill coast. I could never have known that without your vids! Love your curiosity, man!
Appreciate the video sir. This is the kind of things we consumers need to see/know. I will still choose hybrid over full electric. I love having the safety margin of either or.
Yes!! Me too
Very interesting. Thank you. Was nervous seeing the cars speed past on interstate though, thanks for risking that for the experiment.
Anytime!!
I love my 2023 20th Anniversary Rubicon 4Xe. This is good to know. Thanks for posting.
Thank you Brandon, looking forward to more information about Jeep Wrangler 4xe
Very interesting! Some engineer in dash gage design is probably still laughing at the turtle light. I know I am 😜
I know right. I actually got nervous when it came on.
Taking one for the team for science! 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
think? I think you spilled some gas on the back of the jeep since you didn't close it
It does seem like the engineers were definitely on the same page. It’ll be interesting how these vehicles respond after 100,000 miles. I love my Jeep hybrid. Looking forward to a two door version.
I don't think a 2-door would be wise. Look at how much space your Jeep needs for the batteries. It eats up a significant amount and severely reduces the cargo weight capability, which (according to Chrysler) is 1,280 lbs. That's not a lot. If you have three passengers and add yourself as the driver, that reduces it to about 780-680 lbs so you have to be careful what you put in the trunk. I don't think a 2 door will be anywhere as useful with so much space taken out.
Wicked informative! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Interesting. I was curious what would happen when you run of out gas driving the 4xe. Great vid!
Thank you!
So glad you made this video and I was definitely about to ask this question
Any other questions you may have please leave a comment! I do my best to answer.
@@BrandonHaneline if I have anymore questions I will definitely leave them in the comment section
Awesome!!
You get a turtle light whenever your torque is limited. It could be some catastrophic torque limited event where you will only be able to creep the vehicle, or it could be that ICE is not available and you’re also torque limited
That is correct my friend
Again Fantastic job
Thank you
Pete Rod
Great test. Thank You!
Glad you enjoyed!! I actually was nervous when I saw the turtle light. I thought I was stranded.
Never seen someone so excited when they run out of gas.
That’s me the nerd
5:24 you could have drove another 15 or 16 miles like that. It should let you limp along on the electric motor until you're down to 0% battery.
Dude I own a Pacifica Hybrid and never thought of this use case (since the car manages it's own power) but VERY interesting test - thanks for giving this a try!
Awesome!! Thanks.
Pulling one touch tops off, running out of gas. Somebody has wayyy too much time on their hands. I was once a poor college student and already know what it means to run out of gas.
My guess is that you have a 2 gallon emergency reserve and as soon as you lose all electric battery reserves the engine will turn back on with the reserve going 20 more miles. Your gas guage said 21 miles to empty before it wouldn't go to esave mode. I have a 22 gallon tank on my Gladiator and when the low gas warning light comes on, even when I drain the red area down and fill it up on empty I can't put in more than 18 gallons because of the 3 gallons in reserve. At about 18 mpg that would give me approximately 54 miles to empty. With your extra gas can you should try running it out of electricity to see if the engine will turn on and give you the 2 gallon reserve or fill it up and see how many gallons you put in.
Thankyou........
Most fuel tanks have a reduced “usable” fuel capacity due to the system not being able to pick up everything from the tank. Also it helps prevent sucking up any water or debris that may be in the bottom of the tank. For example you could have a tank that has a total capacity of 30 gallons but only have a usable capacity of 27. You are correct though, if you didn’t actually run the motor until it died from lack of fuel there was at least some usable fuel in the tank.
Why you didn’t turned the vehicle off, and then turned on again to see if it will run on electricity only without the turtle light ?
He did, at the end. Watch to the very end.
Appreciate this test. One additional thing that I’d love to see is if you could turn the car off and then on again and start driving, but based on what I saw here I’m pretty sure you should be able to.
You sold me on my next Jeep and gained a sub.
Thanks brother. I love this Jeep
You save like $5 person 100 miles when using all electric. Which charge time is that really worth it? Not to mention the extra weight
I got 700 miles on my first a t-nk of gas.
@@BrandonHaneline How many liters or gallons is the tank? Sounds phenomenal, that's over 1100 kilometers.
This video will show you how many gallons ruclips.net/video/qSk4hbhjm8I/видео.html
The turtle light would be on because without gas you don't have the full power of the vehicle. It's not like a Chevy Volt; more like a Prius Prime. You don't have an EV per say; you have a gas car, with electric motor assist under full power, and some limited range.
So, interesting follow-up to this video. This morning, I was at
I Deffinatly need somthing like this for that reason. I have money that’s not the issue. But it seems like I am always running out of fuel at the very worst times and the very worst areas lol. Every single time. Should keep it full cause ima use it sooner or later but I never do 😝
Flat land driving is fun and all but how do you get best mpg when you do jeep stuff and drive up mountains to go off-roading
Love your videos.
Thank you my friend! Glad you enjoy
Does the Sahara gauge cluster startup with the Rubicon image? Thought that was specific to the Rubicon trim. When you turned the Jeep back on at the end it got me confused! Great video btw
No. I have a JL tazer and I was messing around with it and forgot to change it back.
My Chevy Volt wouldn't "really" let me run it out of gas if it had a charge on it. It forced the switch to electric. I really wanted to know how far I could go on the gas.
Hey great video, do you still own the jeep? Any problems with it?
Great test
Better question, when you're on ev mode only, does it still circulate the coolant to cool the battery pack?
Hi Brandon
I just purchased the Sahara 4xe and i notece that when I'm on the highway at 120 kph(77 miles) on electric mode I felt some vibration on the back of the jeep.
Do have any idea what it's?
I've been driving 2018 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid with no gas for a few weeks.
Red turtle, "vehicle speed may be limited message" but otherwise perfectly capable ride.
That’s awesome!!
Sounds like ya need to go drive it.....
Now you need to change gas filter
What if Battery runs out completely, what light comes up and is the engine powerful enough to charge the battery as well move the vehicle ?
Great video. I was curious how that worked.
Thanks Mike!! I was too
My PHEV is not the 4xE but I I suspect your vehicle is like mine.
The "charged from the wall" portion of the battery is considered separate from the rest of the battery pack.
My "e-save" mode will hold the "from the wall" portion to a large extent when running around normally but will call upon it and once that "from the wall" portion is depleted, electric only and e-save are no longer usable. Only regular hybrid mode.
Now, if I am in "e-save" mode AND also using the navigation system, then it will hold the "from the wall" potion of the battery until about a mile or two from the destination. Then that portion of the battery is tapped to help economy-wise for the final stage of the journey.
So, perhaps you should check to see if Edison works the same way. I would be interested in what you find out as I am considering getting the 4xE.
What is the distance you can make driving on gas to charge the batteries .e save mode
Great video, question, if the battery is at zero % and you put it in E-Save mode and do a long drive does the engine recharge the battery or does it only do so with regenerative braking?
Both. There is also a selection in the radio to have e-save set to have engine always charge battery rather than only hold a charge.
Quick question, Brandon…..how many feet/inches long is the included level one charger cord length? Thanks for your time😎
25 ft
Banana for scale please.
What mode did you average 31 mpg in?
I’ve been asking this same question on a couple different channels, and nobody could answer me. Somebody posted a link to your channel.
Awesome!! Hope you like!!
Awesome 👍
What about the other way? would it be okay?
Nice idea.
That would be an ultimate long excursion overland jeep.
If you can use system as a redundant back up system. Ie when engine fails you will not be stranded in the outback of Australia because the electric motors will get u home or visa versa when electrical components fail, the engine will bring you home. A redundant system like this would be the ultimate overland and off road vehicle.
To be able to rely on two different systems while offroading, would make it the most worthy and reliable vehicle in back roads do to its safety in redundancy and bypass nature of features that would get u home safe.
The safety and reliability of being able to bypass and or rely on the redundancy of two motor systems, would make it hands down the goto off road vehicle.
But how far can you go on battery only?
What mode do you put it in if you just want gas only ride? TY for this video. I'm buying one in a month
E-save, that will preserve or charge the battery while running the engine.
Wouldn't this info be in the vehicle manual somewhere? Just wondering
I am trying not to reply negatively, but I am surprised you thought it would react differently?
Jeep customers are smart! Congratulations 🎉
id get one if it had a manual but my rubicon with the 6 speed is still going strong
What’s up man!!! Glad you still have yours!!
@@BrandonHaneline not much i moved to arizona and now tow a patriot camper i live out of with it so far it tows it no problem
Is this not listed in the owner's manual?
Hi Brandon! Need some advice:
On my way to work today, I took an exit off the interstate and was pulling up to the stoplight. As I’m driving up the exit ramp to the light, my 4xe brakes on it’s own and halts completely. The red plug in light was illuminated and the dash said “Electric Mode Temporarily Unavailable”. I was in hybrid mode (I usually always keep the jeep in hybrid mode). It made me put the vehicle into park and then I had to restart the jeep. I still had 70% battery life so I’m not sure why electric mode wasn’t an option.
It was quite scary for me as the jeep stopped abruptly as I was driving. I feel lucky that no one was behind me.
I was able to stay in hybrid mode but changed it to e-save for the rest of the drive to work, luckily I was only a minute away.
I am on my lunch break and went to the jeep and started it like normal, and was able to turn on electric mode. I read a forum online and another person has had the same issue. Is this something I need to go to the dealership about? Have you heard of this issue?
Reset the oil life on the dash. Then turn the car on and off. On again. Then you can use electric
@@fishing6226 😂
I like my 4xe better than my Cayenne eHybrid. Great video!
Question.I travel for work and I much rather avoid the plugging in part.is it enough to just let gas charge the batter like a hybrid and never plug it in?
This vehicle would not be for you then. It uses more gas to charge the battery.
Capless fuel fill? Must use the provided funnel when filling with a fuel canister otherwise the fuel goes on the ground. Hazard lights… KEEP THEM ON!! REMAIN ILLUMINATED! You were lucky driving through the grass… may have found a sign post or other item that would damage a tire of the vehicle in some manner.
No not a cap less fuel fill. Just a crappy gas can. LOL
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I’ll bet if you allowed the battery to completely run down with the low fuel and turtle lights on, the engine will turn back on and give you about another 15 miles of range
Possibly
I guess this is a weird test, only because he seems *surprised* that when he runs out of gas his electric range starts depleting. Isn't that what you'd think would happen? Isn't that what you'd WANT to happen? So you could limp a few miles into a gas station? Confused why he filled the gas tank when he did.
Just trying to confirm how the vehicle behaves in certain conditions.
This might be a stupid question but if you use up the battery driving and are at a place where you cannot charge it and have turned the vehicle off will the wrangler actually even turn back on or will it need some kind of a charge to start it?
It still has a start battery I imagine. The hybrid and start battery are different units.
Okay next up solar charge 120 volt in the sun? So scenario is you're out of gas and electric offroad but you have some solar panels ,inverter and 120 volt cord. How long before full charge from sun up to sundown? This channel is the best, I have a 4xe ordered and it is helping me get a step ahead before I get the jeep.
That would take FOREVER, the size of panels needed to get any meaningful charge wouldn't fit in the vehicle
@@TnTTyler Not if you have the panels stacked on a roof rack.
@@carlvonfuckwits2934 So lets say you have 200W of solar on the roof and there really isn't any more room than that. its a 17000w battery..........200w of solar isn't going to do anything its totally not feasible
@@TnTTyler It can be done. A jackery power bank, the large one used as an inverter can be used I think can take up to 600w in solar panels. There are much more advanced power banks out there and you can stack and get 600watts on some of them. Can easily fit them on a roof rack. I plan to try it out.
@@carlvonfuckwits2934 You really aren't understanding what i'm breaking down for you. The 4xE has a 17kw battery(17000w). You won't ever fit 600w of solar panels on top of a jeep.....ever. Lets say you did though, 600w of solar panels doesn't ever produce 600w as they aren't 100% efficient so lets say they produce 400w for 8 hours in a day which is being very generous. So 400x8 = 3200w or 3.2KW So basically with a completely unrealistic solar setup that would never work you would charge the 4xe battery 20%, but again you'd never even get close to that
Ins't the whole purpose of a hybrid, to be able to run the car on battery? Why did it show that electric mode was not available? Thank you for doing this, not a lot of people is doing this type of test.
It said E-save mode wasn't available as engine isn't running.
Now Brandon can you explain what happens if the opposite occurs..? Meaning if you are completely out of battery but have some gas... will the wrangler turn on..?
Or worst... what if your battery fails... will you have a dead Wrangler...?
The car will turn on if your battery is dead and you have gas
The fact is how can you keep 100% battery charge with empty tank. It's not possible since a fully charged 4xe kills battery in like 40-50 miles maybe?
How large is the regular gas tank? I want to buy one for the tax credit and use it on gas only!
It's so nice
This just happened to me, I’m out of gas on the side of the road got a buddy bringing a tank of gas
Why does it say Rubicon on the dash when starting , does these hybrid have lockers and sway bar disconnect
Yes mine doesn’t I have a jl tazer and I changed the slash screen and forgot to change back.
Y’all ever have the caps pop off those jerry cans I left one in my bed and the next day the cap was a few feet away and it was not parked in a secure area.
I don’t think you should panic when there is less fuel than electric. 😻
How does the brake pedal work with the electronics? I drove a 4xe at work and it felt like one of those brake pedals that are synthetic in a way. It didn’t stiffen up when the jeep was off like a normal car would.
Is it still a hydraulic pedal? How does it feel when the engine dies like that? Or is it based on 12v power?
The booster has a vacuum pump. Also regen braking helps.
@@BrandonHaneline So hypothetically if the jeep was totally dead, you’d still be able to stop as a normal brake pedal? Cause that’s sorta the thing that worries me, I want a failsafes for such a funky pedal.
If it does function normally then I have no qualms. I just assume the vacuum pump operates more often than a normal wrangler non phev
Oh yea. This has a standard brake just like any other JL wrangler. There are a few additional add ons because of the electric battery but manual brakes are normal
@@BrandonHaneline Thanks for the info man. As each day goes by I’m toying the idea of trading up to a 4xe from my 2.0 with etorque
It’s basically the same with a lot of extra features.
Please do a 0 to 60 test with no gas. Curious to see how fast it goes in pure electric.
I think it will be slow, I might be wrong.
@@BrandonHaneline I wasn't expecting 0 to 60 to be fast in pure electric. I'm mostly curious to watch the speedo and see how it reacts as it climbs in speed. In hybrid mode the acceleration is smooth all the way to 60. If 0 to 60 in pure electric is under 10 seconds, that would still be impressive.
Not a great idea to run the Jeep out of fuel. The fuel goes through the internal components of the fuel pump to keep it cool. Running the tank empty may cause the pump to get hot and decrease its expected life.
I almost ran out of both gas & electric. Large warning signs appeared on the display. Made it to the gas station with 1/10 of a gallon left. Whew!
You shouldn't do that kind of test on the interstate. You also don't handle difficult situations well. Apparently you also don't handle fuel canisters well.
How long can you run it with no gas in it like week or so just plug it in every night ???
You would only be able to travel short distances. Too risky
Cay you use e-Save mode and never have to plug it in?
You would use a lot more gas than normal.
Hi Brandon, great video! I wanted to ask what average fuel mileage have you had in this 4xe so far?
You’ll find out tomorrow!! New video tomorrow on how many miles on a tank of gas.
@@BrandonHaneline awesome!
From what I've gathered from either a Motortrend or Car & Driver article, the electric-only range is around 20-25 miles, so if you are charging at home and drive less than that each day, it could be a useful vehicle. If you take long trips, it supposedly gets worse total gas mileage than the normal gasoline v6 engine. Even if you were just using it for city driving, it would take a few years before you could break even on the additional cost of the 4xe vs the traditional engine. And if that is not bad enough, you're stuck having to drive an *automatic*... :( Oh well, they had to make it so that the soccer moms and mall-crawlers would buy it...
What year is this one and did you say you averaged 35 something miles per gallon?
Yes this is a 2021 Jeep Wrangler 4XE. I get 30+ mpg Plugging in at night and at work
12:14 interesting, it shows Rubicon on the dash even though it's a Sahara?
Using a JL tazer you can change splash screens. I forgot to change it back.
Good eye!!
@@BrandonHaneline so it's not a stock vehicle?
Made me nervous that you put that gas can in with the spout on, not supported. Hate to see it fall over and spill :)
But why ? it’s not your car lol
Did you lease? If so will you buy at the end of your lease? Considering trading in my sahara 2019. Taking advantage of the tax credit. Do you think this hybrid will hold its value?
Yes I did lease. It will definitely hold its value. As the Jeep Wrangler has he highest resale vale on the market.
I’m sure this is an amazing vehicle to lease, I can’t see dealerships selling any of these secondhand.
Can you clarify the tax credit for PHEV purchase. Will you get that cash back when you file your 2021 taxes?
Sort of - it's not cash back but a credit - which means you need to have at least a $7500 federal tax due for that credit to help offset it. This is why they always say "talk to a tax professional" - it's not dead easy to figure out.
In North Carolina it is $7,500. yes you can use it on your 2021 tax returns. Some banks are allowing you to use it as a down payment.
@@rkalla there is a tax form that needs to be filled in. Also, when people say you need to have at least a $7500 tax liability that is NOT what you owe after filling out your tax return (it has nothing to do with how much you owe or get back), that is total tax liability including what your employer took out. If you can afford a $50k+ 4xe, then there is a good chance your TOTAL tax liability for the year is over $7500, and you will get the full credit (but confirm with a tax professional). For instance, let’s say someone’s taxable income for the year is $60k. Their marginal tax rate will is somewhere around 22%, but their effective tax rate will be around 14.9% with their total tax liability being around $8990, so they will qualify for the full $7500 credit (this person’s employer may have taken out $8790 during the year in their paychecks, so without the credit at tax time they would owe $200, but the credit is based on the $8990, not the -200, so this person would still get the full $7500 credit - getting a tax refund of $7300 since the 7500 was offset with the -200). Note that I said ‘taxable income’ of 60k, that is after deductions etc so someone with taxable income of 60k likely makes something more than 60k per year in this example.
Thanks guys... very vague explanations on the web. I’ll have to check with my tax guy.
@@davidcarrico3385 wow thank you! This explanation was very thorough but totally understandable!
Not sure the side of the interstate is the best place to do this...just saying
I currently have a 2018 JLU Sahra the I tow behind our motorhome and use for softroading. I am considering trading up to a Jeep Gladiator 4xe.
Can the Jeep Gladiator 4xe regenerate the battery while being towed?
Towing in „N“ , isn’t the drivetrain disconnected?
No it cannot regenerate because the transfer case will be in neutral.
Well I'm sure you could leave it in gear but I'm sure all sorts of problems would occur...... maybe video it so we all know that I can't be done!
Wonder if Jeep will go full electric ⚡️ in a few years from now when the Tesla Cyber truck starts getting on roads ?
Absolutely! They have already announced that they are coming out with a fully electric but it will be several years down the road
@Saltponds239 Yeah you just do that then you Karen
@Saltponds239 Yeah I will and what time are you showing up at my place with your Jeep sounds like you need to show it off
@Saltponds239 Cigars sounds like pretty cool way of killing yourself slowly it won't happen overnight but it will happen. Suppose you need to smoke to breath out Co2 to make up the pollution your Jeep 4xe doesn't do over the older jeep models. don't forget to buy your nut bag with your Cigars
I love the hybrid Jeep, I personally would not like a fully electric.
My hybrid system malfunctioned back to the dealer
Just got a call from Detroit. Said my problem would be a priority. Dealer was saying couldn't get to it till Friday. May have it back sooner now.
If only Kramer was riding with you! (-:
Lol
Do I understand correctly that you got over 900 miles on a tank of gas? What do you think the range would be on something like an Interstate trip down to Florida?
No. Not 900 Miles. Video coming soon. How many miles on a tank of gas.
No one seems to understand. ............... you only get 20 miles of battery range....... that means after 20 miles the battery is depleted. ... so you are left with a super heavy vehicle that is powered by a 4 cylinder motor......which gets bad mileage.... it's a publicity stunt
@@willrector9716
Actually it gets the same fuel economy as the other jeeps at 20 miles per gallon.
The only jeep that gets better miles per gallon than that would be the diesel. But when you factor in the electric battery the 4xE gets better total fuel economy than the diesel so it’s still better Wrangler to get in my opinion
I avg 23 mpg when not using any battery for a week.
@@BrandonHaneline
See then it’s even better. A lot of people are jumping on the diesel bandwagon but it’s simply not true the 4xE Is the one you want
Without scrapping your gas down I think you're going to tip over your gas can.
Ya no strap on the can? All I can do is shake my head...... city people. .....
But when my Hummer EV runs out of joules, it doesn't go into turtle mode and start using gas 🤪
I can’t wait for the Magneto