I have an issue detected check external charging station. with my 4xe Sahara . How can I fix this problem? If you please can help to fix this issue. Thank you
Just received a 2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe rental with zero introduction to the electric features. I found out once I started driving. All I can say is thank you! This content is a huge help.
Tom this is a great review for multiple reasons. 1) you explain difference in EVSE and internal vehicle charger 2) you explain the importance of a dedicated charging circuit 3) you explain a plug-in hybrid - it is surprising how many people do not understand what it is. You explained why you need to charge them often to get the maximum benefit from them. 4) you also discussed advanced products like the two devices that allow a dryer and car charger to share the same circuit. Finally your advice to buy quality and buy only once. I had an electrician put in a dedicated circuit back in 2012 when I purchased my Prius plugin. It cost me $350 and has served me well for 9 years of daily charging. Because I plugin ALWAYS I have a lifetime 95 MPG after 75K of driving. A regular prius has about a 1kwh battery, my Plugin Prius has about a 4 kWh battery - so the additional 3 kWh has yeilded me an additional 45 MPG (95 mpg vs 50 for standard prius). Well done Tom. I will refer back to this video as it has multiple great pieces of info in one review.
Great video but one clarification, the 375hp and 470 lb torque is ‘always’ available regardless of what charge is shown on the dash. That is because the vehicle keeps 15% charge in reserve for those needs which just so happens to be the easiest part of the battery to charge, so the engine is able to keep up with the charging for those moments when the power is called upon. I say ‘always’ because theoretically you may be able to deplete that 15% reserve but in reality it is unlikely.
I work for a fire dept. Our dept is now allowing chargers to be installed at firehouses for the public to use. Safe place to charge and excellent for me to charge Will working :)
I can’t tell you how much I absolutely love and appreciate your channel!!! I bought a VW ID4 and had very little idea of what I was doing. Your channel helped me learn the “tricks to the trade” as well as made the transition from gas to electric SUPER easy!! Thanks for all you do!!
Great advice about having the 110 outlet inspected. That problem just happened to us in our 43 year-old house. It was only a socket for a lamp, but it could have been a real problem with a greater current draw. Thanks for being so thorough!
Thanks! Considering the premium paid for this vehicle, Stellantis should have included an L1/L2 portable station. I just don’t understand how the ID.4 also doesn’t include an L2/L1 unit. I am going to Laguna Seca in a few weeks and will visit all the manufacturer stands with EVs and complain about this.
Tom, great review! A couple of other things. You can override a schedule for charging by plugging in the Jeep 2x. Also even if you are out of electric only range there is a reserve (~2KW). So that it can still deliver maximum HP/Torque even though the dash show
Thanks. I didn't know plugging it in twice overrides the schedule - good catch. Yes, Jeep says they withhold 15% of the battery so there's always battery power there to use. But I imagine if you're doing serious off-roading, the additional power won't last forever.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney All of the off-roading I've done I've never needed the max power. To be fair, that is mostly rock crawling. Mud bogs may be different but that's not my thing. For rock crawling its about the torque (along with low gears) going slow and the electric motor is the perfect match for that. So while its possible you could be hitting things so hard you deplete even the reserves, I think it would be pretty difficult. I'd wager the only way you could actually use up that 15% would be something preventing the engine from starting, like out of fuel. My experience was that if I was out of electricity and the engine was running to propel the vehicle, there was overhead for the engine to charge the batteries too. And with the Jeep you can set the e-save mode to charge so they get more than the minimum. I did that when I was on trails where I had used it up. Which would give me a few percent in a short time. That would be enough to do the next obstacle in all electric again. While I didn't need to do that I really liked going over obstacles with the engine off.
Excellent video- only one thing I'd call out. We have 2 Tesla's in addition to the 4xe. There are rare exceptions where a Tesla charger at home won't work using the Tesla Mini Tap or Lectron adapter. I have a Gen 1 Tesla Charger on a 100amp breaker that charges our cars at 80amps (that's 70 miles per hour). I bought both adapters you mentioned in your video and they have a 40amp max so they won't work with a Tesla home charge set to 80amps. I tried and got errors with both. I hope this helps any other Tesla and 4xe owners who use high amp Tesla charges. BTW- my solution- I had a NEMA 14/50 outlet installed on a 50amp breaker and purchased a plug in 32 amp 4xe plug in charger. Now I have the Jeep charger on one side of garage and the Tesla charger on the other side.
That's interesting. Since the vehicle is calling for 32-amps, I wouldn't think that the supply on the EVSE side would matter. Have you reached out to TeslaTap to report this? They are always very interested in customer feedback and this info would probably help them improve the unit.
It sounds like you have the gen1 Tesla Wall Connector and dual chargers in your Tesla. It’s a shame they discontinued dual-chargers for those who wanted them. I assume they felt charging at 35 mph was fast enough because we can charge while sleeping.
@@johnpoldo8817 you are correct. My model S is a dual charger car and I have the gen 1 charger. Most people - including most Tesla owners these days don’t understand these specific details. Only solution I could think of was to try buying an 80amp Tesla Tap converter but that was an expensive solution. I went the route of a stand alone 32 amp plug in unit that’s powered by a NEMA 14/50 outlet. So far having two chargers has been great so far. Thanks again for the awesome content
Got my order placed this week for my 2023 Jeep Wrangler 4xe Sahara. Already have a NEMA 14-50 outlet in my garage, so I'm looking over your evse reviews to find the one best suited for my setup. Thanks again for all the work you do!
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Just got a 4XE 2 weeks ago. I have driven on gas only on 2 occasions. Both were highway trips. Every other instance has been electric power because almost all my driving is done within 15 mins of my house.
Tom .. great video .. my daughter just got her new jeep and her bought the adapter so she can charge at my house .. PS I still like my 2nd Model X better and can’t wait to get my tri-motor cycbertruck .. thanks
Thank you, Tom, very informative video again. I saw in some videos, Jeep 4Xe can only make 3-5 miles in EV mode on trails. What do you think about Jeep AC charging stations? I think no one will charge 2 hours to make 5 miles in EV mode, maybe Jeep has plans to put the bigger battery and add DC charging capability in 2 years.
I can't imaging being able to deplete a 15 kWh battery in 3 miles, but I haven't seen the videos you're referring to. In any event, I would definitely use the 4xe in hybrid mode while off-roading, not all-electric mode. You'd want to get the full power of both the electric motor and the 2-liter turbocharged 4-banger. In hybrid mode, I'm sure the battery would last pretty long, even while off-roading.
Depends on the circumstances of the off-road. I just got back from a trip to the Ouray, CO area with my new 4xe Rubicon. I ran Ophir Pass in electric mode only. To the summit is 4mi from 550 started with 90% and I had 22% of my battery left at the top. When I went down the other side I picked up 11% charge due to regenerative braking. Finishing the 10mi trail with 33% of my battery. So it’s possible to get way more than 3-5mi off-road. But I’m sure it’s also possible to use up all the battery.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney 4L in the Rubicon has a 4.10 gear ratio. So whether gas or electric 4L is 4x less efficient than standard driving in order to get the massive torque and control that a good crawl ratio gives you. With that said, as someone else stated, distance is highly dependent on the trail. For instance it’s said the 4xe can do the entire Rubicon trail in one charge.
Considering how jeeps are supposed to be used, it might be a good idea to take it on a camping trip. State parks down here in Texas have camp sites 120 & 240v electrical hookups up to 50 amps. if it is the same in your neck of the woods maybe go camping and see if you have any issues charging?
The loan is already over, so I can't do that. But there shouldn't be any issues with charging as long as the outlet at the campsite is properly grounded. I've charged plenty of EVs at campgrounds and they work just fine. You'll usually find NEMA 14-50 outlets at the camps and most level 2 charging equipment today plugs into a NEMA 14-50.
I assume the demand for PHEVs is waining as more EV models are introduced and range increases. One of the best features of an EV is significantly less maintenance and the PHEV has an engine requiring service. Routine maintenance bills on my previous Mercedes were sky-high and it’s so nice to say good-bye to them.
The Lectron adapter he used did not work with our new 2024 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4Xe and our Tesla Mobile connector in our garage. I tried two other adapters (Nivion 80Amp and Seguma), which were recommended by others on You Tube, and they did not work either. I spoke to three different tech departments and no one was able to solve the problem. The Tesla charger works fine with our Tesla and the Jeep factory charger works fine with the Jeep. I did everything all of the tech people suggested I do to trouble shoot the problem. I waited 30 seconds after I connected the adapter to the Tesla connector before plugging into the Jeep, I tried starting the Jeep while connected to clear the message on the dashboard, I disconnected everything and reconnected everything three times, I bought the 80 Amp version of the Nivion adapter bc someone said the 48 Amp version wouldn't work, I tried a brand new Tesla Mobile Connector I had which came with our second Tesla, and so on. Nothing works. Does anyone have any suggestions?
The other thing to check on a 120 outlet is how the wires were installed. The quick way of pushing into the holes in the back isn't as good as bending them around the screws on the sides.
Tom, also, I think most of this video can generally apply to charging any PHEV, maybe with only the charge times changing depending on battery size. I shared it with my group.
Thanks for this review, very useful for new 4xe owners! Question: AmazingE 16A ESVE looks like it is no longer available. Any suggestions for another 16A 240V portable EVSE with a NEMA 10-30 or 14-30 plug? I only see units online with 1-year warranties. Thanks again for your informative videos!
How many times can you recharge the battery ? Is it better to have it fully discharged before recharging ? Does that make a difference with the battery life ?
i wish this discussed the indicator lights on the level 1 charger. Jeep says to charge your vehicle when all three lights are green. Mine has one green light. Was hoping this video would have discussed that
Hi Tom. Thanks for this great video on the 4XE. Have you had any issues using the AmazingE 240V, 16A EVSE with the 4XE? I am considering this one vs going to a full 32A version. Thanks!
Thx for great video. Just got a 4xe and noticed that after sitting in garage jeep charge went from 100 % to 14% …after 2 days ..is this normal. Will charge go away if not driven
New owners of a Jeep 4Xe and loved the video it helped explain a lot. Where we live the outlet is about 25' away, can a heavy gauge extension cord be used? I also have access to a 30 amp outlet and it has an adapter on it for 110, can an extension cord be plugged in it?
I don’t know if you ever got the answer to this, but I would not use an extension cord. It’s against code where I live and can be a fire hazard. I know someone who actually melted the cord and their equipment on the very first charge.
For Level I charging, if you get a heavy duty 12 gauge cable, you won't have any issues. I use that frequently with my Honda Clarity PHEV. No overheating issues.
Question for you… great video btw… I have a 4XE and I have a level 2 charger. I have charged it up about 10 times already and 2 out of those times once it reached 99% charged the charger powered down to 1amp and kept charging for ever until I had to unplug it. Basically the vehicle did not charge to 100% and turned of the charger. It seems to be a common issue. Any ideas why? I am guessing it’s the Jeep’s onboard charger that gives the signal that it reached 100% but in this case it doesn’t. Any help would be great!
just purchased a 4xe and love it. the charger at 20:00 into the video. is there an adapter that i can use that to connect my jeep? i dont need it to charge ultra fast just want to be able to connect when i shop. there arent too many J1772 chargers in my area. not public ones at least.
HI Tom I really enjoyed this video but I have trouble charging my Jeep with Tesla charger wall unit. I purchase Lectron 40-amp Tesla to J1772 adapter recommended, but when I plug it for the Jeep to get charge, I get red light and Jeep wont charge. Any recommendation of how to resolve this issue. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Tom - Thank you for the informative video. One question I have that was not discussed in the video. I'm full time RVer. My rig uses the NEMA 14-50 outlet for household power to the rig. This leaves the TT30-P outlet available. I understand that this is a single phase 120 VAC circuit. So it is not a true level 1 and definitely not a level 2 (220 VAC) option. With the growth in RVing and now electrical vehicles such as Jeep that provide an excellent option for tow behind vehicles are there any EVSE options available to allow charging at a higher rate (24 amps verse 12 amps) of standard NEMA 5-15 level 1 systems?
Will charging level 1 actually cost more in electricity than level 2 as it's charging for so much longer than level 2 even if only 12 amps vs 32 amps? Is it ok to just leave charging overnight till it's full and will it then shut off and not draw any more power once fully charged with level 1 or it's still drawing power at a lower level even after fully charging? Also is it true that even though the battery level says
State of Charge: I would like to use my 3,800 watts inverter to run a level 2 charger. Do you know about a level 2 charger that could adjust amps to up to 12amps? You know, if I use the 16 amps that is 240 x 16=3,800w, so it will be at limits
Hey Tom, do you know if the 4XE is 110v limited to 12amps if using a 16 or 24 amp 110v charger? This would make a great TOAD and 30 amp plug for 24 amps would be nice
so you definitely recommend a nema 14-50 outlet over nema 6-50? we're going to hire an electrician to install & just want to make sure I'm ordering the right charger & putting in the right outlet.
Either plug would do you fine, but I"ve found that it is easier to find NEMA 14-50 evse's. Plus, this is the standard type of outlet you will find at RV parks with electricity.
Question that I believe was not mentioned. I’ve always wondered if I am able to charge the 4xe while the vehicle is on (running) or does it need to be off?
It can charge while ‘On’. I do it all the time. The rate of charging will be impacted by the demand. For example, if you’re sitting in the car drinking coffee and listening to the radio (as I do often) the rate of charge will be very close to that when the Jeep is ‘off’. If it’s the Winter and you have cabin & steering wheel heating turned on and fan set to max, the rate of charge will be slowed.
Hey Tom, this may be newbie question, but I just wanted to clarify. Just ordered a 2022 Wrangler Rubicon 4xE. I wanted to know, if I were to leave the charger hooked up to the vehicle for long periods of time, even after the battery was fully charged, would it have any negative effects/outcomes on the vehicle and/or wall unit? I'm sure with the battery advancements of today, it should be fine. But I'm anticipating I would usually only use the vehicle maybe every other day, and with that, sometimes wouldn't have access to the vehicle for that day or two to unplug the charger. Would the car and Jeep's stage 1 charger be fine for that period of time? Also, can you also please answer for the same situation, but for a stage 2 charger as well? Thank you so much in advance. -Ryan
I’ve owned my 4xe for 1 year and never experienced any issue leaving the EVSE connected after attaining a full charge. While I’ve never left the Jeep connected more than 24 hours, I have left it for hours past the full-charge point. The Jeep’s onboard charger shuts down the charging process once it reaches a full charge. In the summer, having the Jeep plugged in on very hot days will permit the vehicle to condition the battery without severely draining the High Voltage Battery. New 4xe owners may be caught off-guard when their vehicle turns itself on when battery conditioning occurs. It’s normal, but shocking when it happens the first time.
Does the jeep Wrangler Highbrid come with a universal charging port? Would i be able to plug it on a single phase, 220 outlet in Europe example France?
Hi Tom, great video. I have a rubicon 4xe on order and am having a 50amp circuit installed for level 2 charging. I also just ordered the charge point flex and my question is should I set the charger to the full 50 amp circuit with 40 amp charging or set it at 40 amp circuit with 32 amp charging? Will the 40 amp charging damage the battery since it is designed for 32 amps?
I have a 4xe rubicon. Your gonna love yours when you get it. It’s worth the wait. The charger is in the Jeep really and it controls the amp draw which is a max of 32a on 240v. So it really doesn’t matter if the EVSE can deliver more, the Jeep won’t ask for it. So it’s your choice.
As William noted, the Jeep will control how much it takes in, so it really doesn't matter if the EVSE is set to 40-amps or 50-amps. I'd just set it to 50-amps, so the unit is capable of delivering the circuit's maximum power.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thank you so much for the great video. Very informative. My only question I have left, and I think you just answered it above, is should I buy a 40 amp charger over a 32 amp charger? I figure that way, if I get another ev that accepts 40 amps, I am ready to go. Am I correct in thinking that the jeep will only accept 32 amp and 'reduce' the charge it is getting from a 40amp charger to 32? Or am I way off and only a 32amp charger will work? Thanks again!
@@ericblain6635 You're welcome. Yes, I would advise you to get a 40-amp unit for future EVs, and yes, the Jeep will automatically lower the amperage it accepts. The car always dictates the amount of power it takes in so it will never take in "too much" power.
@@wp7718 I'm waiting for my vin confirmation, placed my order for a Rubicon 4Xe in Sarge Green :) This video helps immensely, my commute is around 25 km's (15 miles) the most I'd have in one day would be 'maybe' 75 km's (46 miles) I may not require the 240 volt outlet and could get away with a regular 12 volt since I don't drive that much in a given work week. Still kind of on the fence though on that 240 v haha
Hi Tom. Some EVSE has ground fault protection built into the unit. Have you covered the nuisance tripping issue when code also requires ground fault circuit protection at the breaker in the panel?
Yes, I have had people contact me with this issue. When that happens, the owner usually switches the breaker to a regular one. It's not to code, but the unit already has GFI protection, so it's all good.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Right. I've also seen hard wiring the EVSE as another code compliant option. I was just thinking your awesome platform here would be a good way to disseminate that to the EV masses.
@@raystetkiewicz846 Yes, hard-wiring the unit eliminates the issue. I have to walk a fine line with regards to offering advice on how to wire the units. I'd prefer to just give suggestions, and tell people to defer to their licensed electrician, who *should* understand the code and how EVSE work.
@@Nicole-vr3kz It’s always a good idea to ask an electrician. Your EVSE may have built in GFCI protection. If that unit is also on a circuit that has a GFCI protected breaker in the panel, it can nuisance trip. It’s not necessarily a “bad” breaker or other faulty equipment. Look at your EVSE manual and show your electrician any language about it’s built in GFCI protection and they can adjust as necessary.
No it won't. The vehicle (all EVs) limits the power it accepts so it will only charge at the fastest rate it can safely accept. You can plug into any charger without worry,
Yes, but it won't charge the vehicle any faster, as the 4Xe is limited to 32 amps. But it' won't hurt the vehicle if you plug into charging equipment that can deliver more power, the vehicle just won't accept more than 32-amps.
The most important thing is whether you can depend on the engine to charge up the battery. It is important because you have to assume there is no charging facility once you are out of town and off road.
I’m disappointed. For a video that claims to be “everything you need to know about charging the 4xE” I’m left with a lot of questions. Can I safely charge outside at my apartment? Can I use an extension cord? How do I use chargers at the store? Does the charger lock to the jeep, or how do I keep it from being stolen? How log is the cord that comes with the jeep? Does the phone app let you know when the charge is complete? Does that require WiFi? This video barely answered basic questions and just sprinkled in some technical terms to sound smart.
1. Yes. You can charge in the open air. I do that on my driveway in snow, rain, and sunshine. Totally safe by design. 2. My electrician told me NOT to use an extension cord when charging a vehicle. 3. I use the ChargePoint App to find public charging stations that provide the J1772 connection my Jeep 4xe uses. Once there, just follow the posted (or in app) instructions to plugin. 4. I’ve never encountered a public charging station that permits ‘locking’ the EVSE cable to the Jeep’s charge port. There is a clip on the EVSE that will hold the receptacle in the charging port, but that is disengaged by pressing a button when you’re done charging. 5. The Jeep 4xe EVSE is about 25’ long. That length is similar to what you’ll find at public charging stations. 6. The UConnect app will let you see the state of charge. However, getting that app to refresh on demand has always been problematical for me. If nearby, you can take a glance at the dashboard charging status lights that blink while charging.
This is by far the most useful, informative video on EV charging I’ve seen yet. Well done. I’m subscribed!
I have an issue detected check external charging station. with my 4xe Sahara
. How can I fix this problem? If you please can help to fix this issue. Thank you
Just received a 2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe rental with zero introduction to the electric features. I found out once I started driving. All I can say is thank you! This content is a huge help.
Tom this is a great review for multiple reasons. 1) you explain difference in EVSE and internal vehicle charger 2) you explain the importance of a dedicated charging circuit 3) you explain a plug-in hybrid - it is surprising how many people do not understand what it is. You explained why you need to charge them often to get the maximum benefit from them. 4) you also discussed advanced products like the two devices that allow a dryer and car charger to share the same circuit. Finally your advice to buy quality and buy only once. I had an electrician put in a dedicated circuit back in 2012 when I purchased my Prius plugin. It cost me $350 and has served me well for 9 years of daily charging. Because I plugin ALWAYS I have a lifetime 95 MPG after 75K of driving. A regular prius has about a 1kwh battery, my Plugin Prius has about a 4 kWh battery - so the additional 3 kWh has yeilded me an additional 45 MPG (95 mpg vs 50 for standard prius). Well done Tom. I will refer back to this video as it has multiple great pieces of info in one review.
Thank you, Robert!
Great video but one clarification, the 375hp and 470 lb torque is ‘always’ available regardless of what charge is shown on the dash. That is because the vehicle keeps 15% charge in reserve for those needs which just so happens to be the easiest part of the battery to charge, so the engine is able to keep up with the charging for those moments when the power is called upon. I say ‘always’ because theoretically you may be able to deplete that 15% reserve but in reality it is unlikely.
I work for a fire dept. Our dept is now allowing chargers to be installed at firehouses for the public to use. Safe place to charge and excellent for me to charge Will working :)
I can’t tell you how much I absolutely love and appreciate your channel!!! I bought a VW ID4 and had very little idea of what I was doing. Your channel helped me learn the “tricks to the trade” as well as made the transition from gas to electric SUPER easy!! Thanks for all you do!!
Thank you!
Great advice about having the 110 outlet inspected. That problem just happened to us in our 43 year-old house. It was only a socket for a lamp, but it could have been a real problem with a greater current draw. Thanks for being so thorough!
Thanks, Pete!
Thanks! Considering the premium paid for this vehicle, Stellantis should have included an L1/L2 portable station. I just don’t understand how the ID.4 also doesn’t include an L2/L1 unit. I am going to Laguna Seca in a few weeks and will visit all the manufacturer stands with EVs and complain about this.
Tom, great review! A couple of other things. You can override a schedule for charging by plugging in the Jeep 2x. Also even if you are out of electric only range there is a reserve (~2KW). So that it can still deliver maximum HP/Torque even though the dash show
Thanks. I didn't know plugging it in twice overrides the schedule - good catch. Yes, Jeep says they withhold 15% of the battery so there's always battery power there to use. But I imagine if you're doing serious off-roading, the additional power won't last forever.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney All of the off-roading I've done I've never needed the max power. To be fair, that is mostly rock crawling. Mud bogs may be different but that's not my thing. For rock crawling its about the torque (along with low gears) going slow and the electric motor is the perfect match for that. So while its possible you could be hitting things so hard you deplete even the reserves, I think it would be pretty difficult. I'd wager the only way you could actually use up that 15% would be something preventing the engine from starting, like out of fuel. My experience was that if I was out of electricity and the engine was running to propel the vehicle, there was overhead for the engine to charge the batteries too. And with the Jeep you can set the e-save mode to charge so they get more than the minimum. I did that when I was on trails where I had used it up. Which would give me a few percent in a short time. That would be enough to do the next obstacle in all electric again. While I didn't need to do that I really liked going over obstacles with the engine off.
Thanks Tom. Though I would never consider this Jeep it was informative data. Looking forward to EV only 🎈
Thanks Tom learned a lot. Appreciate your thorough explanation of EVSE’s and intelligent load splitters.🎯
Excellent video- only one thing I'd call out. We have 2 Tesla's in addition to the 4xe. There are rare exceptions where a Tesla charger at home won't work using the Tesla Mini Tap or Lectron adapter. I have a Gen 1 Tesla Charger on a 100amp breaker that charges our cars at 80amps (that's 70 miles per hour). I bought both adapters you mentioned in your video and they have a 40amp max so they won't work with a Tesla home charge set to 80amps. I tried and got errors with both. I hope this helps any other Tesla and 4xe owners who use high amp Tesla charges. BTW- my solution- I had a NEMA 14/50 outlet installed on a 50amp breaker and purchased a plug in 32 amp 4xe plug in charger. Now I have the Jeep charger on one side of garage and the Tesla charger on the other side.
That's interesting. Since the vehicle is calling for 32-amps, I wouldn't think that the supply on the EVSE side would matter. Have you reached out to TeslaTap to report this? They are always very interested in customer feedback and this info would probably help them improve the unit.
It sounds like you have the gen1 Tesla Wall Connector and dual chargers in your Tesla. It’s a shame they discontinued dual-chargers for those who wanted them. I assume they felt charging at 35 mph was fast enough because we can charge while sleeping.
@@johnpoldo8817 you are correct. My model
S is a dual charger car and I have the gen 1 charger. Most people - including most Tesla owners these days don’t understand these specific details. Only solution I could think of was to try buying an 80amp Tesla Tap converter but that was an expensive solution. I went the route of a stand alone 32 amp plug in unit that’s powered by a NEMA 14/50 outlet. So far having two chargers has been great so far. Thanks again for the awesome content
Got my order placed this week for my 2023 Jeep Wrangler 4xe Sahara. Already have a NEMA 14-50 outlet in my garage, so I'm looking over your evse reviews to find the one best suited for my setup. Thanks again for all the work you do!
Just got a 4XE 2 weeks ago. I have driven on gas only on 2 occasions. Both were highway trips. Every other instance has been electric power because almost all my driving is done within 15 mins of my house.
Tom .. great video .. my daughter just got her new jeep and her bought the adapter so she can charge at my house .. PS I still like my 2nd Model X better and can’t wait to get my tri-motor cycbertruck .. thanks
Thanks so much for doing this video! It's packed with useful information and I imagine I'll come back to it regularly.
Thank you, Tom, very informative video again. I saw in some videos, Jeep 4Xe can only make 3-5 miles in EV mode on trails. What do you think about Jeep AC charging stations? I think no one will charge 2 hours to make 5 miles in EV mode, maybe Jeep has plans to put the bigger battery and add DC charging capability in 2 years.
I can't imaging being able to deplete a 15 kWh battery in 3 miles, but I haven't seen the videos you're referring to. In any event, I would definitely use the 4xe in hybrid mode while off-roading, not all-electric mode. You'd want to get the full power of both the electric motor and the 2-liter turbocharged 4-banger. In hybrid mode, I'm sure the battery would last pretty long, even while off-roading.
Depends on the circumstances of the off-road. I just got back from a trip to the Ouray, CO area with my new 4xe Rubicon. I ran Ophir Pass in electric mode only. To the summit is 4mi from 550 started with 90% and I had 22% of my battery left at the top. When I went down the other side I picked up 11% charge due to regenerative braking. Finishing the 10mi trail with 33% of my battery. So it’s possible to get way more than 3-5mi off-road. But I’m sure it’s also possible to use up all the battery.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney 4L in the Rubicon has a 4.10 gear ratio. So whether gas or electric 4L is 4x less efficient than standard driving in order to get the massive torque and control that a good crawl ratio gives you. With that said, as someone else stated, distance is highly dependent on the trail. For instance it’s said the 4xe can do the entire Rubicon trail in one charge.
Considering how jeeps are supposed to be used, it might be a good idea to take it on a camping trip.
State parks down here in Texas have camp sites 120 & 240v electrical hookups up to 50 amps. if it is the same in your neck of the woods maybe go camping and see if you have any issues charging?
The loan is already over, so I can't do that. But there shouldn't be any issues with charging as long as the outlet at the campsite is properly grounded. I've charged plenty of EVs at campgrounds and they work just fine. You'll usually find NEMA 14-50 outlets at the camps and most level 2 charging equipment today plugs into a NEMA 14-50.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks, that's great to know!
Thank you for a great explanation. I was given a Tesla Tap for my 4XE and this was a huge help. Thank you!
Excellent video!!! Quick question can you charge outdoors? Like for instance in the hot sun or rainy weather? Thanks
I assume the demand for PHEVs is waining as more EV models are introduced and range increases. One of the best features of an EV is significantly less maintenance and the PHEV has an engine requiring service. Routine maintenance bills on my previous Mercedes were sky-high and it’s so nice to say good-bye to them.
The Lectron adapter he used did not work with our new 2024 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4Xe and our Tesla Mobile connector in our garage. I tried two other adapters (Nivion 80Amp and Seguma), which were recommended by others on You Tube, and they did not work either. I spoke to three different tech departments and no one was able to solve the problem. The Tesla charger works fine with our Tesla and the Jeep factory charger works fine with the Jeep. I did everything all of the tech people suggested I do to trouble shoot the problem. I waited 30 seconds after I connected the adapter to the Tesla connector before plugging into the Jeep, I tried starting the Jeep while connected to clear the message on the dashboard, I disconnected everything and reconnected everything three times, I bought the 80 Amp version of the Nivion adapter bc someone said the 48 Amp version wouldn't work, I tried a brand new Tesla Mobile Connector I had which came with our second Tesla, and so on. Nothing works. Does anyone have any suggestions?
The other thing to check on a 120 outlet is how the wires were installed. The quick way of pushing into the holes in the back isn't as good as bending them around the screws on the sides.
Thanks for the info, I had many questions but you got them all for me.
Tom, also, I think most of this video can generally apply to charging any PHEV, maybe with only the charge times changing depending on battery size. I shared it with my group.
Thanks for this review, very useful for new 4xe owners! Question: AmazingE 16A ESVE looks like it is no longer available. Any suggestions for another 16A 240V portable EVSE with a NEMA 10-30 or 14-30 plug? I only see units online with 1-year warranties. Thanks again for your informative videos!
Very well explained for newbies like me
Excellent video and presentation! Thank you so much!
Glad you enjoyed it!
How many times can you recharge the battery ? Is it better to have it fully discharged before recharging ? Does that make a difference with the battery life ?
Tom, thanks for the review. Just FYI, your Lectron link goes to the AmazingE link.
Oops! Thanks!
i wish this discussed the indicator lights on the level 1 charger. Jeep says to charge your vehicle when all three lights are green. Mine has one green light. Was hoping this video would have discussed that
Hi Tom. Thanks for this great video on the 4XE. Have you had any issues using the AmazingE 240V, 16A EVSE with the 4XE? I am considering this one vs going to a full 32A version. Thanks!
Thx for great video. Just got a 4xe and noticed that after sitting in garage jeep charge went from 100 % to 14% …after 2 days ..is this normal. Will charge go away if not driven
New owners of a Jeep 4Xe and loved the video it helped explain a lot. Where we live the outlet is about 25' away, can a heavy gauge extension cord be used? I also have access to a 30 amp outlet and it has an adapter on it for 110, can an extension cord be plugged in it?
I don’t know if you ever got the answer to this, but I would not use an extension cord. It’s against code where I live and can be a fire hazard. I know someone who actually melted the cord and their equipment on the very first charge.
For Level I charging, if you get a heavy duty 12 gauge cable, you won't have any issues. I use that frequently with my Honda Clarity PHEV. No overheating issues.
Question for you… great video btw… I have a 4XE and I have a level 2 charger. I have charged it up about 10 times already and 2 out of those times once it reached 99% charged the charger powered down to 1amp and kept charging for ever until I had to unplug it. Basically the vehicle did not charge to 100% and turned of the charger. It seems to be a common issue. Any ideas why? I am guessing it’s the Jeep’s onboard charger that gives the signal that it reached 100% but in this case it doesn’t. Any help would be great!
Truly helpful. Thank you!!
just purchased a 4xe and love it. the charger at 20:00 into the video. is there an adapter that i can use that to connect my jeep? i dont need it to charge ultra fast just want to be able to connect when i shop. there arent too many J1772 chargers in my area. not public ones at least.
HI Tom I really enjoyed this video but I have trouble charging my Jeep with Tesla charger wall unit. I purchase Lectron 40-amp Tesla to J1772 adapter recommended, but when I plug it for the Jeep to get charge, I get red light and Jeep wont charge. Any recommendation of how to resolve this issue. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Outstanding video, thank you!
Great video! Does it take the same to to charge at a Tesla or other evse stations as using the level 2 evse?
Thank you, Tom!
Thank you on the splitvolt tip ✊🏽
How long does it take to charge using a Tesla adaptor?
Tom - Thank you for the informative video. One question I have that was not discussed in the video. I'm full time RVer. My rig uses the NEMA 14-50 outlet for household power to the rig. This leaves the TT30-P outlet available. I understand that this is a single phase 120 VAC circuit. So it is not a true level 1 and definitely not a level 2 (220 VAC) option. With the growth in RVing and now electrical vehicles such as Jeep that provide an excellent option for tow behind vehicles are there any EVSE options available to allow charging at a higher rate (24 amps verse 12 amps) of standard NEMA 5-15 level 1 systems?
The TeslaTap was discontinued on your link. Any other recommendation?
Great information! Thanks for the video.
Will charging level 1 actually cost more in electricity than level 2 as it's charging for so much longer than level 2 even if only 12 amps vs 32 amps? Is it ok to just leave charging overnight till it's full and will it then shut off and not draw any more power once fully charged with level 1 or it's still drawing power at a lower level even after fully charging? Also is it true that even though the battery level says
Super informative, thanks Tom!
State of Charge: I would like to use my 3,800 watts inverter to run a level 2 charger. Do you know about a level 2 charger that could adjust amps to up to 12amps? You know, if I use the 16 amps that is 240 x 16=3,800w, so it will be at limits
Hey Tom, do you know if the 4XE is 110v limited to 12amps if using a 16 or 24 amp 110v charger? This would make a great TOAD and 30 amp plug for 24 amps would be nice
Does it hurt to charge at 100% all the time?
so you definitely recommend a nema 14-50 outlet over nema 6-50? we're going to hire an electrician to install & just want to make sure I'm ordering the right charger & putting in the right outlet.
Either plug would do you fine, but I"ve found that it is easier to find NEMA 14-50 evse's. Plus, this is the standard type of outlet you will find at RV parks with electricity.
Can you limit the charge to 80% in the charge settings?
How long to charge jeep 4xe with tesla adapter? Thanks
What about using RV park 30 amp charging stations
I have a welder plug in my garage. will that work?
Question that I believe was not mentioned. I’ve always wondered if I am able to charge the 4xe while the vehicle is on (running) or does it need to be off?
It can charge while ‘On’. I do it all the time. The rate of charging will be impacted by the demand. For example, if you’re sitting in the car drinking coffee and listening to the radio (as I do often) the rate of charge will be very close to that when the Jeep is ‘off’. If it’s the Winter and you have cabin & steering wheel heating turned on and fan set to max, the rate of charge will be slowed.
Hey Tom, this may be newbie question, but I just wanted to clarify. Just ordered a 2022 Wrangler Rubicon 4xE. I wanted to know, if I were to leave the charger hooked up to the vehicle for long periods of time, even after the battery was fully charged, would it have any negative effects/outcomes on the vehicle and/or wall unit? I'm sure with the battery advancements of today, it should be fine. But I'm anticipating I would usually only use the vehicle maybe every other day, and with that, sometimes wouldn't have access to the vehicle for that day or two to unplug the charger. Would the car and Jeep's stage 1 charger be fine for that period of time? Also, can you also please answer for the same situation, but for a stage 2 charger as well? Thank you so much in advance.
-Ryan
I am also interested in this question
I’ve owned my 4xe for 1 year and never experienced any issue leaving the EVSE connected after attaining a full charge. While I’ve never left the Jeep connected more than 24 hours, I have left it for hours past the full-charge point. The Jeep’s onboard charger shuts down the charging process once it reaches a full charge. In the summer, having the Jeep plugged in on very hot days will permit the vehicle to condition the battery without severely draining the High Voltage Battery. New 4xe owners may be caught off-guard when their vehicle turns itself on when battery conditioning occurs. It’s normal, but shocking when it happens the first time.
Tom, do you have an idea how many cycles the batteries are good for? I'm trying to figure out how long before I'll need to replace batteries.
Jeep warranties the battery and hybrid components for 8 years or 100K miles, so nothing to worry about for at least that time/mileage interval.
Tom i have a Tesla J1772 charger and mine does not wanna work why?
Does the jeep Wrangler Highbrid come with a universal charging port? Would i be able to plug it on a single phase, 220 outlet in Europe example France?
Hi Tom, great video. I have a rubicon 4xe on order and am having a 50amp circuit installed for level 2 charging. I also just ordered the charge point flex and my question is should I set the charger to the full 50 amp circuit with 40 amp charging or set it at 40 amp circuit with 32 amp charging? Will the 40 amp charging damage the battery since it is designed for 32 amps?
I have a 4xe rubicon. Your gonna love yours when you get it. It’s worth the wait. The charger is in the Jeep really and it controls the amp draw which is a max of 32a on 240v. So it really doesn’t matter if the EVSE can deliver more, the Jeep won’t ask for it. So it’s your choice.
As William noted, the Jeep will control how much it takes in, so it really doesn't matter if the EVSE is set to 40-amps or 50-amps. I'd just set it to 50-amps, so the unit is capable of delivering the circuit's maximum power.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thank you so much for the great video. Very informative. My only question I have left, and I think you just answered it above, is should I buy a 40 amp charger over a 32 amp charger? I figure that way, if I get another ev that accepts 40 amps, I am ready to go. Am I correct in thinking that the jeep will only accept 32 amp and 'reduce' the charge it is getting from a 40amp charger to 32? Or am I way off and only a 32amp charger will work? Thanks again!
@@ericblain6635 You're welcome. Yes, I would advise you to get a 40-amp unit for future EVs, and yes, the Jeep will automatically lower the amperage it accepts. The car always dictates the amount of power it takes in so it will never take in "too much" power.
@@wp7718 I'm waiting for my vin confirmation, placed my order for a Rubicon 4Xe in Sarge Green :) This video helps immensely, my commute is around 25 km's (15 miles) the most I'd have in one day would be 'maybe' 75 km's (46 miles) I may not require the 240 volt outlet and could get away with a regular 12 volt since I don't drive that much in a given work week. Still kind of on the fence though on that 240 v haha
Use a commercial outlet, not a home outlet, when using the outlet 12 hours a day.
Hi Tom. Some EVSE has ground fault protection built into the unit. Have you covered the nuisance tripping issue when code also requires ground fault circuit protection at the breaker in the panel?
Yes, I have had people contact me with this issue. When that happens, the owner usually switches the breaker to a regular one. It's not to code, but the unit already has GFI protection, so it's all good.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Right. I've also seen hard wiring the EVSE as another code compliant option. I was just thinking your awesome platform here would be a good way to disseminate that to the EV masses.
@@raystetkiewicz846 Yes, hard-wiring the unit eliminates the issue. I have to walk a fine line with regards to offering advice on how to wire the units. I'd prefer to just give suggestions, and tell people to defer to their licensed electrician, who *should* understand the code and how EVSE work.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney if my EVSE is faulting every night, It means my outlet is on a bad breaker ?
@@Nicole-vr3kz It’s always a good idea to ask an electrician. Your EVSE may have built in GFCI protection. If that unit is also on a circuit that has a GFCI protected breaker in the panel, it can nuisance trip. It’s not necessarily a “bad” breaker or other faulty equipment. Look at your EVSE manual and show your electrician any language about it’s built in GFCI protection and they can adjust as necessary.
"Most electrics have a 50 to 100kwh battery?" Laughs in Leaf
@ state of charge if i connect my 4xe to a higher amp charger. Will that essential damage my vehicle?
No it won't. The vehicle (all EVs) limits the power it accepts so it will only charge at the fastest rate it can safely accept. You can plug into any charger without worry,
Can I use 40 amp or 50 amp instead of 32 amp level 2 for my 4Xe?
Yes, but it won't charge the vehicle any faster, as the 4Xe is limited to 32 amps. But it' won't hurt the vehicle if you plug into charging equipment that can deliver more power, the vehicle just won't accept more than 32-amps.
Must be a huge BMS in that jeep.
The most important thing is whether you can depend on the engine to charge up the battery. It is important because you have to assume there is no charging facility once you are out of town and off road.
Does anyone know the max amps the Ioniq 38 kWh takes on Level 2 ? I didn’t seem to find it in the manual & the internet.
How I disconnect it I ant tried everything
I’m disappointed. For a video that claims to be “everything you need to know about charging the 4xE” I’m left with a lot of questions.
Can I safely charge outside at my apartment?
Can I use an extension cord?
How do I use chargers at the store?
Does the charger lock to the jeep, or how do I keep it from being stolen?
How log is the cord that comes with the jeep?
Does the phone app let you know when the charge is complete? Does that require WiFi?
This video barely answered basic questions and just sprinkled in some technical terms to sound smart.
1. Yes. You can charge in the open air. I do that on my driveway in snow, rain, and sunshine. Totally safe by design. 2. My electrician told me NOT to use an extension cord when charging a vehicle. 3. I use the ChargePoint App to find public charging stations that provide the J1772 connection my Jeep 4xe uses. Once there, just follow the posted (or in app) instructions to plugin. 4. I’ve never encountered a public charging station that permits ‘locking’ the EVSE cable to the Jeep’s charge port. There is a clip on the EVSE that will hold the receptacle in the charging port, but that is disengaged by pressing a button when you’re done charging. 5. The Jeep 4xe EVSE is about 25’ long. That length is similar to what you’ll find at public charging stations. 6. The UConnect app will let you see the state of charge. However, getting that app to refresh on demand has always been problematical for me. If nearby, you can take a glance at the dashboard charging status lights that blink while charging.
Damn dude - when someone ask you for the time of day - you tell them how the watch is made & how it figures out the time of day - learn to edit
Incredible helpful! Thank you!
This was awesome! Thanks!