Tom, your video's just got better. This, to me, is your best video ever. Well planned out, executed and excellent factual content. I appreciate the lack of bias and the sharing with failures as well as successes. Keep up the excellent videos. Everyone who buys or is contemplating buying a EV needs to pay close attention to this video. It is current and would help anyone understand the complexity of EV charging. 😀
Yup I’m contemplating getting a 2023 Nissan Leaf and the Chademo is what’s keeping away from it when they’re available. This little bit of information about that plug just made my decision much stronger.
@@mostafa685 if you are doing any road-trip charging, I would not recommend the leaf! I am a proud 2019 leaf owner and it is a fantastic tool around the town car, but not a road-tripper. We placed level 2 charging at our parents home and just charge where when we visit for long trips.
I absolutely agree. I think he’s getting pumped up with push ups before the videos or something. Previous videos have so much good info in them but for a new viewer it can be overwhelming. This one gets to the heart of the issue quickly and methodically. What if Tom moved into battery temperature or phantom drain or any other more obscure charging tangential topic. 🤔❤️
@@mostafa685 I've purchased a leaf as a 2nd car so fast charging will not be in the cards. Just got it to bang around town and for my kids to use. Yep the Chademo is a bummer if fast charging is needed.
Tom, I'm not even in North America but I watched till the end because it was super insightful and your storytelling is just unmatched. 👍 Cheers from good ol' France!
Great video Tom. I work in the industry and worked for ABB up until last August where I ran a test lab with L2 and DC Fast chargers in Richmond VA. I was under a NDA at the time but earlier last year, Tesla sent me one of the CCS1 adaptors along with a loaner ModelX to test with ABB chargers. It worked great after Tesla enabled the sw on the X to be compatible with the adaptor.
I suspect Tesla will make an adapter with special FW. They want to make money. This is one way. Also they wont open up there network till uncle sam pays them money because IMO in this race currently this is a big selling point to draw ppl to their cars vs competitors. Also I am guessing this adapter will need to step down the voltage to a lower voltage.
Are you saying that CCS on a tesla is software enabled and not reliant on special hardware. I have an early 2020 M3 Sr+ and would love to hear you say it is software based. If it is hardware then I hope that I can get the hardware upgrade through a car retrofit or better a special adapter. Any intel on this would be great before I just give in and find a CHAdeMO adapter.
Funny when my electrician was installing my Hardwired ChargePoint EVSE in 2017 for my Bolt EV, he installed a GFCI breaker and the unit keep tripping. At that point I informed him that the ChargePoint had GFCI built-in. We then switched to a non-GFCI breaker and it has been great for over 5 years. This is the 1st video that I have seen to address this situation. Great video, very thorough . Good job Tom !
I think mine must’ve too because it’s being shared with my dryer. I don’t run the dryer when I’m charging and the breaker never tripped before just using the dryer before the charging station was installed. It makes you wonder if “electricians” know what they are doing.
I love my Tesla CCS1 adapter, I get 188kW on my local EA station which beats the V2 Superchargers in my area given both the higher speed and not needing to share stalls. I’ll be using it with EA on my big trip up to Omaha this weekend. It was a bit of a challenge to get working since I had to retrofit the charging ECU which is a scary process and took lots of service center calling to get the part. If you already have CCS support enabled though, getting the physical Tesla CCS1 adapter through Harumio was super easy for me.
Tom, Great video, we needed to install a single charger in a family vacation home and this video along with the 2023 best of video gave me the insight I needed to make a choice. Love your channel!
Huh… I thought Teslas in Japan used CHAdeMO for DC charging. But no, looking it up, I’m wrong. They include a CHAdeMO adaptor instead. Learn something new every day. Great video as always, Tom!
Excellent review. I rented a Tesla and couldn't figure out why the non Tesla station plug wouldn't fit the port. Now I know I need a f***ing adapter! lol
Woah Tom! I’m your biggest fan but that was crazy… I’m pretty sure the new Nissan is pronounced like the musical term aria. ARE ee uh. Thank you for doing this video. I knew you hadn’t done one yet so I was looking for adapters for a friend really hoping you would do a video. I guess I was behind the times last week since I was traveling. My apologies for not being the first to watch and like the video.
Just bought Model Y, this is very helpful review! Best regards from Ukraine, Odesa city! And many thanks to the People of the United States for supporting us and not leaving alone with world terrorist, we will never forget this.
Thanks Mate i think i found u reporting on e for electric utube channel . i really like your presenting style ,no nonsense, factual and experiental baased, and seemingly very interestedand passionate about the topic and most of all thorough and well thought out to get the information accross , as wel as getting ALL of the steps and concerns a veiwer m ight have high lighted and outlined ( with so many others t to the end and have more questions now cause the explanation and demo either mis speak or gloss over or dont show aspects of the topic that are less than usefull not see) , defnitely not the case with you . your persnable style and clar passion for what you do is a pleasure to watch.. Interestingly i find myself clicking on and wathing your videios even though i have no real practical use for alot of it at present , i am in australia, and we are so very far behind on EV adoption and market penetration and use that t will in practical sence, as well as legi slative and code implementation allowances it will be some time before they are a viable thing more than just a small number of those early adopters such as in your country back in 2012/15. think for me and my peers in suburbia to consider/ have and use EVs as ny sort of let alone sole mode of transport will become viable only in the medium term. ( some of this is probalby because of the massive size of th country, ( basically the same land mass as the continetal US) but ith 13X less or 7 perecnt of your population rolling out expensive large scale infrastrucure is always slower and very targeted to support new things and that almost lowest overall population density of anywherre on this bubble, massive travel distances are commonplace normal and not even noticed as we go about daily life - untill say travelling overseas ( wher many whole countriies in europe are smaller to traverse than our states , counties and even some cities or local suburbs even . such that by nature EV adoption wil lower pace than more densely populated/ high infracstructure places . none the less you present usefull info easy to understand and seemingly a nice guy, thankyou . i dont know what your time constraints or intersts are or how hard is to make utube content but u should consider branching into other areas either related or unrelated as im sure would be well received . cheers ( sorry for mispellin or lost characters - dodgy keybord )
I watched several of your videos before seeing this one. If you read this and want feedback, this is the video that convinced me to hit SUBSCRIBE. Lots of good info AND the titles for different segments so I could skip stuff about charging a Tesla are awesome. Keep up the great product you put out!
These adapters without locks are extremely dangerous when 240/400v at 100+ amps is flowing. Disconnection would produce a large, loud spark and create carbon on the pins. Imagine the electrical hazard if disconnection occurred while raining! Always stop charging your EV before unplugging. As a safety feature, most J1772 handles stop charging when the button is pressed.
Great demo with DC Tesla adaptors. The point of safety with 3rd party DC adapter and non-locking is important, as unplugging 100+ amp connection could cause an arc-flash. Which could cause bad burns electric induced heat, as well as ultraviolet radiation given off by the arc-flash. The chart at 0:50 is incorrect for Tesla vehicles (where states 'All Markets'). All new Tesla vehicles made since 2018 have make use of continent localized connectors. For Europe this CCS-Type2, and GB/T in China. The DC Tesla connector is N-America only (not 'all global markets'). Many people often incorrectly assume all Tesla's in global marketplace use the same connector plug, this include many professional journalists.
There is a track record that would lead us to pay attention to what Tesla does and only ponder what they say. They have made three adapters to get power into a Tesla but have only spoken to getting Tesla power into another DC format which may have more to do with stimulus money than the obvious need to take care of their customers. Regardless that was a lot of great content and very informative‼️
I got a great deal for a Tesla to J 1772 adapter. Amazon was selling an 80 amp unit with a lock for $79. Beats the 40 amp units and those without a key. I used my Amazon credit to get it to under $75.00.
Barely a year later and now that Ford, GM, and Rivian have committed to using the Tesla NACS connector, and others including Mercedes-Benz considering it, it would seem that CCS is on it's way out. Great to see that the better technology won, and soon the need for all these adapters will go away too.
huge thanks for the video. Needed a Tesla to CCS adapter and this was just the ticket. Went with TeslaTap 80a adapter. Very helpful and informative. Your content is educational, entertaining, and you always seem to be producing content just when I need it. As a new EV owner (2022 Tesla MYP) and with a new Nissan leaf coming any day your content has helped de-mystify EV life. I'll never go back to ICE cars again. Keep it up and thanks! Adapter arrived today and cannot wait to charge my new leaf on my Gen 3 Tesla Wall connector.
33:20 wow, what a monstrosity haha. I feel like Tesla is the only entity that considered design and the human machine interface when they made their connector.
You advice is VERY important for folks living in Rural British Columbia, Canada, Tesla has No charger stations along Highway 16 west of Prince George, or anywhere along Hwy 37 which is the west coast route to Alaska. Tesla is a great car for City folks, but the further you get from Vancouver, the more difficult charging and repair arrangements become. The Government of British Columbia has installed CCS1 chargers all along all highways in the Rest Areas. I'm looking forward to Tesla expansion to serve Rural British Columbia, among other places.
Great information! We have a Tesla Model 3 and a Hyundai Ionic 5. We just bought an adapter to use my Tesla plug to charge our Hyundai. The only problem so far, the Ionic won’t take the charge unless the car is in accessory mode. Once charging starts, I can shut off the car.
My 60 Amp Tesla tap finally arrived in the mail. Now just waiting on my ID4 to arrive at the dealership. The Qmerrit home office in Texas is just north of Austin, Texas.
Tom, I talked to Clipper Creek about the new NEC and was told a class B GFCI breaker will eliminate nuisance tripping with a plug in EVSE. Thanks again!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney ok, but I love my Neocharge smart splitter. I believe circuit sharing with devices like NeoCharge is critical for fastest EV adoption, and as I believe yours is a trusted voice, I think you should mention the Class B breaker as the primary solution. Maybe you need to get some EVSE representatives on your show to discuss this issue? Thanks!
GFCI Breakers - States are free to modify and exempt parts of the NEC when they adopt the code. Many states have actually exempted GFCI protection on 250V receptacles due to nuisance tripping concerns, so it's actually rare that it is truly required. Only a handful of states or local jurisdictions actually require GFCI breakers on a 50A garage outlet. I wanted to point that out because a lot of people think that all the rules in the NEC apply everywhere in the US, that is not the case at all. Just because it's a requirement in the 2020 NEC doesn't mean your state will actually require it, many parts of the code are exempted depending on the state you live in. You can read the local building codes yourself, or talk to your local building inspector to find out if a GFCI breaker is actually required or not. Statements like "All NEMA 14-50 outlets will have to have GFCI soon" are not factually correct, so non-GFCI outlets will remain as a good installation option for EV chargers in the foreseeable future. Future code versions will require a 40A or larger EV charging outlet in every new home, so plug-in EVSEs are here to stay.
Again, there is no guarantee that the 40A will ever be required. Many standards do arise from public outcry such as water temp control valves in showers. I believe requirements will go more towards hard wired in. Plugs are too generic with wiring and placement. Our power company gives you a larger rebate if you hard wire the charging unit.
Great video on all the adaptors....wish there was more UL listed ones. When dealing with level 2 and 3 charging, knowing that its been tested and accepted by a NRTL (testing laboratory) will help the consumer protect both the vehicle and the home electrical system. Know I'll get lots of blow back from non-Tesla folks, but we owners have financed the Super Charger network with added costs of the vehicle, approx $2000 per purchase. I support the expansion to other EVs, but that expansion needs to limit the impact to existing owners. Lets see what the roll out looks like before too many demands are placed on the SC network. A mix of propriatary Tesla connectors and CCS sounds best to me. Over the years I've purchased 3 Teslas and I do use the SC network quite a bit, having done 6 cross country trips from CA to NY and countless trips from SF to Seattle. In addition to a MY we now also drive a Volvo C40 Recharge and plan to use the SC network with the Volvo....when a good UL listed adaptor comes along....or the one Tesla sells because it will be at least tested on its network. I think Tesla's adaptor will be useful for level 2 and 3 charging wrapped up in just one unit.
Thanks Martin for posting... I'm hesitant to purchase an electric vehicle, and Not sure I'll even fit... At 6'4" and 400ish... I hope that prices will come down. Can't spend $60k for the Tesla 3, which is probably the largest EV and only chance of getting in... Ug😬 It's too early to do away with gas and price us out of the market until the infrastructure country wide is installed!
This was a very informative video that I recommend all new EV owners watch. I know I learned a lot. Thank you for producing. I am subscribing to your channel so I can keep up with the new info. (Kia EV6 owner and Juicebox 48amp hardwired by licensed electrician😜)
Every adapter adds joints between multiple wires. All these joints have resistance, causing heat. Have you used a thermal camera on any of these products in use? The main issue with the DC variants is that non-OEM products are likely prohibited by your agreement with the charging network, so if they detect use they can close your account. I use AC adapters for Tesla destination chargers but they come with a social cost from Tesla drivers who want exclusive use of "their" chargers while being able to share everyone else's.
well done, appreciate the information. Said another way if you own a lighting and its cold and your pulling a load you need to keep the power plant connected to go 50 miles. :)
Great video! Thank you for all the Intel! Am I correct in that with the TeslaTap Mini, I could use that adapter to charge my Porsche Taycan at Tesla charging stations? Secondly, if you don’t mind, would I need to download a Tesla app to pay for the charge? Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
In over my head? Novice with cap N...Looking to start Electric-Vehicle Charging Service? Tom was the best I found online Everybody is driving Tesla in this area. So good idea????
26:10 I could have filled up my whole tank, bought some Ho-Ho's and lottery tickets and been half way home before you even started your 2-3 hours of charging! LOL
Wow! Impressive video! I live in Brazil, in 2023 BYD is selling Dolphin model, so your video it is interesting to know more if I go to US and use a Tesla car, but Iearned a lot with your demonstration, understanding better what I can find here in Brazil using Type 2 & Type 2 CCS. Thanks for this great content
I've since learned that for a period in 2021, Tesla stopped including the hardware on its cars to be CCS enabled because of supply shortages, but then started including it again. Unfortunately, it seems that your car was made during the period when they didn't add the CCS support hardware.
Thanks for all your videos!! Looking forward to check your review for the EVSE from Emporia! It looks to be a great value and it’s now UL certified. 🙏🏻
Excellent video. Explained everything for me. Initially there was no EV plug standard, so Tesla started the revolution. Reminds me of BETA vs.VHS recording tapes/players. Sony kept the priority of BETA and after a while died off. Tesla vs. CCS lugs is the same thing. Chademo is dying and almost gone. CCS is the "new" VHS. However, I think Tesla will adapt to CCS1.
Tom, great video as always. Your content is timely and informational. - Since EA is being mandated to include Chademo cables in their California installations, perhaps EA should sell an inexpensive and less clunky Chademo to Tesla adapter. They would probably see more revenue and use from Tesla owners who cannot utilize a CCS adapter. - I realize that 50kW is not especially fast, but in many cases it is totally sufficient.
Thanks. Always appreciate your content but this one in particular. I tried to buy the Tesla to J1772 adapter from Lextron. Problem is they are sold out. Finally found one at Amazon and immediately after I purchased it they said "Sold Out". Seem to be hard to find these days. Glad I have it because two of the hotels I use regularly only have Tesla destination chargers. Thanks again for helping with my range anxiety!
My SETEC adapter works. Used it a couple weeks ago. I think if you tried harder, you may have more success. I think the problem is EA. Just about every time I use it, I have to make multiple attempts to get success and oftentimes, change stalls. One time, I went to three stalls before it worked, but I have used it a lot. I don't like it because it is indeed clunky, but when there are no superchargers, you'll try really hard. 😁
Got my tesla adapter for ccs1 from a company called Harumio for $309.00... only thing I need now is a home battery for an apartment that I can use to also charge my car:)
@@greghemming4414 Yes, I tested it on a chargepoint dc fast charger in NYC and it worked (only 60kw.. but enough to know it worked), but there is a word of caution. If your vehicle does not support it then it will not work. I believe the host of this show covered that, but I want to reiterate it. If your car does not say it is ccs compatible then it will not work.
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I keep looking for an adapter to charge my CCS car from a Supercharger. It sounds like the only DCFC options are for Teslas to charge at non-Tesla stations. It would be great if there were options to go the other direction. It looks like there are level-2 options to charge Tesla with non-Tesla stations and vice versa, but not level 3.
While the CCS-Tesla adapter is great, I don’t have enough CCS adapters around me to justify it. (Or more so, V3 superchargers wipe the map compared to standard CCS points). The J1772 on the other hand though, it’s super useful in daily lives. It’s all over the place and works with literally anything. Workplace has it, schools have it, malls have it, some are even free.
Great video. I have two 2021 model Y's. The long range manufactured in june 2021 is CCS enabled. The performance one manufacturered in September 2021 is not CCS enabled. Definitely need to check before you buy an adapter
Tom, I assumed you'd show off the 3 level 2 Tesla to J1772 adapters to charge a non-Tesla using a Tesla destination charger. Seemed like you missed that, as even though you explained those 3 adapters, you missed out on showing them in use. Since you already own a Tesla destination adapter, this seems like it would be a quick video.
I agree, I would like to see that, as with a lot of other people. Some EVS are coming out that are better than Teslas, but Tesla owners have a Tesla charger in the garage and may wish to change
I have a Tesla Model Y that I bought new in mid-2021 and it is not CCS-enabled! I have never really had a need to use CCS, but having that as an option would have been nice.
I've since learned that for a period in 2021, tesla stopped including the hardware on its cars to be CCS enabled because of supply shortages, but then started including it again. Unfortunately, it seems that your car was made during the period when they didn't add the CCS support hardware.
Tom. Great video. I have a etron Audi. And I installed a juice box. But, when I plog it to my car. Start charging perfectly. Then the next 5 minutes stop charging.
Great job! I think you covered just about everything. A friend of mine has a 2020 Model 3 that is not enabled to make use of the CCS adapter. He actually bought a CHAdeMO adapter long ago and in his situation, that is all he can use. That is the only reason to still buy one of these monsters. I have heard a rumour also that you can possibly upgrade the charging ECU in the older Teslas to allow them to use the CCS adapter. Possibly Tesla may start offering that service when they start selling the CCS adapter in North America.
Wow! This was great. You basically boiled it down to the two types of adapters people need to get for 1772 or CCS 1. There's one more need that you should have spent more time with although we could figure it out. What if people have a Tesla charger in their house but wants to get a different EV? Is the Tesla to ccs1 adapter, made by Tesla, the only thing they'll need? That assumes that the new car has a ccs1 port, like the Kia ev6.
Tom first timer and enjoyed it. I have a Chrysler pacifica hybrid and have been using the charger with a dryer plug I had installed in my garage (50A 22V). I just bought a model Y and want to get an adapter from my wall plug to the tesla plug so that I ca use the charging cable that came with the car and charge at home. Am an RV guy and we used to call those adapters that were two ends connecting different plugs on the ends a dog bone. So I want a dogboe adapter from 50 A female receptacle to a tesla male. I am sure there is terminology I am not using that would help. But can you recommend this type of adapter? thanks Jim
Great job Tom... these options are pretty confusing! Thanks for trying to explain this to a non-electric consumer! With ICE vehicles it's so much less confusing, only need to understand that E88 is not good 'sometimes' and diesel fuel works sometimes. And the availability is EVERYWHERE... but charging stations few and far between.
Great job, Tom! You're the expert. So fast, out of date tho. Would love more coverage of ***non-Tesla DCFC*** in North America. Will CCS adapters be introduced, which operate at 250KW, V2 or V3, Tesla SCs, where one does not find a Magic Dock? This is currently confusing, as many 250KW stations do not have them, and possibly won't get them. What is the ongoing pulse of the NACS roll-out? Will CCS equiped cars get the short stick if Tesla doesn't retro-fit enough "magic docks" and simply serves 2025 onward vehicles (OE supplied NACs female)?
Tom, enjoy your informative videos but have couple of nits to bring up. Please don’t play loose when referring to current, voltage, power and energy. For example, you said that adapters come at different power levels but then you specify amperage levels for these. Yes, real power is current times voltage but if you are referring to current, don’t say power; it unnecessarily adds confusion to people who are not familiar with these measures. Second, it is very hard to see those black-colored adapters against your black t-shirt background , so please consider a background providing some contrast when holding items up for display. Thank you
Here's the thing Tom. Your large array of connectors you hold during your tutorial are invisible against your black polo. I would get your wardrobe director to grab a green one, or light grey. This would maximize the effectiveness of your excellent work with just one retake.
I like the idea of the CCS1 Tesla adapter because around me there are a lot of grocery stores with CCS and no one is at them so charging while I shop is nice. I know it costs more than home but my bar is just beating my old Charger Scat Pack in fueling costs.
350 kW chargers can deliver full power only for 800V cars (e.g Porsche or Hyundai I5). For the rest (with 400V) these can provide 180-200 kW. The current and CCS connectors are limited to 500A. Tesla connectors can charge at 850A - for a short time, which is a case usually because of charge curve.
8:25 I'd check the "tesla tap" and see if the pilot signal pin is longer than the others. Once the pilot signal is lost the contactors open so it's not live anymore (hint: this is what the button oa J1772 does. It interrupts the pilot signal)
Tom, your video's just got better. This, to me, is your best video ever. Well planned out, executed and excellent factual content. I appreciate the lack of bias and the sharing with failures as well as successes. Keep up the excellent videos. Everyone who buys or is contemplating buying a EV needs to pay close attention to this video. It is current and would help anyone understand the complexity of EV charging. 😀
Yup I’m contemplating getting a 2023 Nissan Leaf and the Chademo is what’s keeping away from it when they’re available. This little bit of information about that plug just made my decision much stronger.
@@mostafa685 if you are doing any road-trip charging, I would not recommend the leaf! I am a proud 2019 leaf owner and it is a fantastic tool around the town car, but not a road-tripper. We placed level 2 charging at our parents home and just charge where when we visit for long trips.
I absolutely agree. I think he’s getting pumped up with push ups before the videos or something. Previous videos have so much good info in them but for a new viewer it can be overwhelming. This one gets to the heart of the issue quickly and methodically.
What if Tom moved into battery temperature or phantom drain or any other more obscure charging tangential topic. 🤔❤️
@@mostafa685 I've purchased a leaf as a 2nd car so fast charging will not be in the cards. Just got it to bang around town and for my kids to use. Yep the Chademo is a bummer if fast charging is needed.
No doubt you make a good point. While most of his videos are great, this here has to go down as his most informative post till date!
Tom, I'm not even in North America but I watched till the end because it was super insightful and your storytelling is just unmatched. 👍 Cheers from good ol' France!
Thank you!
Great video Tom. I work in the industry and worked for ABB up until last August where I ran a test lab with L2 and DC Fast chargers in Richmond VA. I was under a NDA at the time but earlier last year, Tesla sent me one of the CCS1 adaptors along with a loaner ModelX to test with ABB chargers. It worked great after Tesla enabled the sw on the X to be compatible with the adaptor.
I suspect Tesla will make an adapter with special FW. They want to make money. This is one way. Also they wont open up there network till uncle sam pays them money because IMO in this race currently this is a big selling point to draw ppl to their cars vs competitors. Also I am guessing this adapter will need to step down the voltage to a lower voltage.
Are you saying that CCS on a tesla is software enabled and not reliant on special hardware. I have an early 2020 M3 Sr+ and would love to hear you say it is software based. If it is hardware then I hope that I can get the hardware upgrade through a car retrofit or better a special adapter. Any intel on this would be great before I just give in and find a CHAdeMO adapter.
@@stevegaj1262 Its hardware based.
Funny when my electrician was installing my Hardwired ChargePoint EVSE in 2017 for my Bolt EV, he installed a GFCI breaker and the unit keep tripping. At that point I informed him that the ChargePoint had GFCI built-in. We then switched to a non-GFCI breaker and it has been great for over 5 years. This is the 1st video that I have seen to address this situation. Great video, very thorough . Good job Tom !
I think mine must’ve too because it’s being shared with my dryer. I don’t run the dryer when I’m charging and the breaker never tripped before just using the dryer before the charging station was installed. It makes you wonder if “electricians” know what they are doing.
This video cleared up the confusion brought on by several websites previously visited. 😃
I love my Tesla CCS1 adapter, I get 188kW on my local EA station which beats the V2 Superchargers in my area given both the higher speed and not needing to share stalls. I’ll be using it with EA on my big trip up to Omaha this weekend.
It was a bit of a challenge to get working since I had to retrofit the charging ECU which is a scary process and took lots of service center calling to get the part.
If you already have CCS support enabled though, getting the physical Tesla CCS1 adapter through Harumio was super easy for me.
Can you help or give details on how you got one? What is Harumio?
I was able to do the DIY process to upgrade the ECU in my 2018 model 3 to use the CCS adapter. And it does work! Very informative video.
Pb and jealous man my 2020 model 3 didn't come with it
What DIY process? I also have a 2018.
My March 2020 Model X is CCS enabled. Just bought the Tesla to CCS adapter - paid 700$ on Ebay. Excited to try it out. Thanks for your help.
That was extremely informative, especially the fact that the Tesla-made CCS 1 adapter locks itself unless charging stops
Tom,
Great video, we needed to install a single charger in a family vacation home and this video along with the 2023 best of video gave me the insight I needed to make a choice. Love your channel!
Huh… I thought Teslas in Japan used CHAdeMO for DC charging. But no, looking it up, I’m wrong. They include a CHAdeMO adaptor instead. Learn something new every day. Great video as always, Tom!
Excellent review. I rented a Tesla and couldn't figure out why the non Tesla station plug wouldn't fit the port. Now I know I need a f***ing adapter! lol
Woah Tom! I’m your biggest fan but that was crazy… I’m pretty sure the new Nissan is pronounced like the musical term aria. ARE ee uh.
Thank you for doing this video. I knew you hadn’t done one yet so I was looking for adapters for a friend really hoping you would do a video. I guess I was behind the times last week since I was traveling. My apologies for not being the first to watch and like the video.
The Best explanation and tips regarding the ev adapters in general
Just bought Model Y, this is very helpful review! Best regards from Ukraine, Odesa city! And many thanks to the People of the United States for supporting us and not leaving alone with world terrorist, we will never forget this.
Thanks Mate
i think i found u reporting on e for electric utube channel . i really like your presenting style ,no nonsense, factual and experiental baased, and seemingly very interestedand passionate about the topic and most of all thorough and well thought out to get the information accross , as wel as getting ALL of the steps and concerns a veiwer m ight have high lighted and outlined ( with so many others t to the end and have more questions now cause the explanation and demo either mis speak or gloss over or dont show aspects of the topic that are less than usefull not see) , defnitely not the case with you . your persnable style and clar passion for what you do is a pleasure to watch..
Interestingly i find myself clicking on and wathing your videios even though i have no real practical use for alot of it at present , i am in australia, and we are so very far behind on EV adoption and market penetration and use that t will in practical sence, as well as legi slative and code implementation allowances it will be some time before they are a viable thing more than just a small number of those early adopters such as in your country back in 2012/15.
think for me and my peers in suburbia to consider/ have and use EVs as ny sort of let alone sole mode of transport will become viable only in the medium term. ( some of this is probalby because of the massive size of th country, ( basically the same land mass as the continetal US) but ith 13X less or 7 perecnt of your population rolling out expensive large scale infrastrucure is always slower and very targeted to support new things and that almost lowest overall population density of anywherre on this bubble, massive travel distances are commonplace normal and not even noticed as we go about daily life - untill say travelling overseas ( wher many whole countriies in europe are smaller to traverse than our states , counties and even some cities or local suburbs even . such that by nature EV adoption wil lower pace than more densely populated/ high infracstructure places .
none the less you present usefull info easy to understand and seemingly a nice guy, thankyou .
i dont know what your time constraints or intersts are or how hard is to make utube content but u should consider branching into other areas either related or unrelated as im sure would be well received . cheers
( sorry for mispellin or lost characters - dodgy keybord )
Thanks Tom. I appreciate all of your videos. The EVSE and related content is my favourite. I’ve become a charging nerd and proud of it. 🤓
Boy, you just about covered it all Tom ! Excellent video.
Awesome video! Everything you need to know about EV charging. Recommend all new EV owners to view this video. Thank you for the video.
I watched several of your videos before seeing this one. If you read this and want feedback, this is the video that convinced me to hit SUBSCRIBE. Lots of good info AND the titles for different segments so I could skip stuff about charging a Tesla are awesome. Keep up the great product you put out!
Thank you!
These adapters without locks are extremely dangerous when 240/400v at 100+ amps is flowing. Disconnection would produce a large, loud spark and create carbon on the pins. Imagine the electrical hazard if disconnection occurred while raining! Always stop charging your EV before unplugging. As a safety feature, most J1772 handles stop charging when the button is pressed.
again Tom, you are a hit when it comes to EV charging, love the info on the Tesla CCS1 adaptor info!
Thank you for the hands on explanation on attempting to charge non Tesla vehicles to Tesla superchargers!
45 minutes though! But damn good info nonetheless, thank you for this.
Great demo with DC Tesla adaptors.
The point of safety with 3rd party DC adapter and non-locking is important, as unplugging 100+ amp connection could cause an arc-flash. Which could cause bad burns electric induced heat, as well as ultraviolet radiation given off by the arc-flash.
The chart at 0:50 is incorrect for Tesla vehicles (where states 'All Markets'). All new Tesla vehicles made since 2018 have make use of continent localized connectors. For Europe this CCS-Type2, and GB/T in China. The DC Tesla connector is N-America only (not 'all global markets'). Many people often incorrectly assume all Tesla's in global marketplace use the same connector plug, this include many professional journalists.
There is a track record that would lead us to pay attention to what Tesla does and only ponder what they say. They have made three adapters to get power into a Tesla but have only spoken to getting Tesla power into another DC format which may have more to do with stimulus money than the obvious need to take care of their customers. Regardless that was a lot of great content and very informative‼️
Awesome video!! 45 minutes flew by with all the valuable information you provided .. learned quite a bit today. Thumbs up !!
I got a great deal for a Tesla to J 1772 adapter. Amazon was selling an 80 amp unit with a lock for $79.
Beats the 40 amp units and those without a key.
I used my Amazon credit to get it to under $75.00.
Barely a year later and now that Ford, GM, and Rivian have committed to using the Tesla NACS connector, and others including Mercedes-Benz considering it, it would seem that CCS is on it's way out. Great to see that the better technology won, and soon the need for all these adapters will go away too.
HOT DIGGITY DOG! This is THE video I was looking for. THANK YOU!
huge thanks for the video. Needed a Tesla to CCS adapter and this was just the ticket. Went with TeslaTap 80a adapter. Very helpful and informative. Your content is educational, entertaining, and you always seem to be producing content just when I need it. As a new EV owner (2022 Tesla MYP) and with a new Nissan leaf coming any day your content has helped de-mystify EV life. I'll never go back to ICE cars again. Keep it up and thanks! Adapter arrived today and cannot wait to charge my new leaf on my Gen 3 Tesla Wall connector.
I'm buying a Model Y soon, and this video was absolutely perfect at providing useful information prospective buyers like me need to know! Bravo!
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33:20 wow, what a monstrosity haha. I feel like Tesla is the only entity that considered design and the human machine interface when they made their connector.
You make a great video good job and thank you sir
Thank you. I've been so confused with all these connectors (I'm not from the US, so we get cars from many different markets).
This has been eye opening. It also tells me I should just buy my Tesla compatible adapter from Tesla.
Another great video Tom. I’m waiting on delivery of my BMW iX and find all your videos very informative for first time EV’ers. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the great info was wanting an adaptor you had all the answers!
Tom, thanks for very informative videos! Also for "moderating" live Alex shows!
You advice is VERY important for folks living in Rural British Columbia, Canada, Tesla has No charger stations along Highway 16 west of Prince George, or anywhere along Hwy 37 which is the west coast route to Alaska. Tesla is a great car for City folks, but the further you get from Vancouver, the more difficult charging and repair arrangements become. The Government of British Columbia has installed CCS1 chargers all along all highways in the Rest Areas. I'm looking forward to Tesla expansion to serve Rural British Columbia, among other places.
Great information! We have a Tesla Model 3 and a Hyundai Ionic 5. We just bought an adapter to use my Tesla plug to charge our Hyundai. The only problem so far, the Ionic won’t take the charge unless the car is in accessory mode. Once charging starts, I can shut off the car.
Firmware/software.
Thanks for writing this. We have a Tesla Model 3 but are considering a Kia ev6. I would never have thought to put it in accessory mode
Best review ever seen
My 60 Amp Tesla tap finally arrived in the mail. Now just waiting on my ID4 to arrive at the dealership. The Qmerrit home office in Texas is just north of Austin, Texas.
Best video about adapters I have ever seen. You should make videos explaining other subjects as well, you make them sound so easy 😊
Tom, I talked to Clipper Creek about the new NEC and was told a class B GFCI breaker will eliminate nuisance tripping with a plug in EVSE. Thanks again!
Good to hear. I still think it's probably best practice to hardwire.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney ok, but I love my Neocharge smart splitter. I believe circuit sharing with devices like NeoCharge is critical for fastest EV adoption, and as I believe yours is a trusted voice, I think you should mention the Class B breaker as the primary solution. Maybe you need to get some EVSE representatives on your show to discuss this issue? Thanks!
Really-excellent topic, summary, and video in general!
Thank you, for your excellent video as it has answered all my questions!
Tom,
Great overview of an issue many of us need explained. Love State of Charge. Love Inside EVs.
GFCI Breakers - States are free to modify and exempt parts of the NEC when they adopt the code. Many states have actually exempted GFCI protection on 250V receptacles due to nuisance tripping concerns, so it's actually rare that it is truly required. Only a handful of states or local jurisdictions actually require GFCI breakers on a 50A garage outlet. I wanted to point that out because a lot of people think that all the rules in the NEC apply everywhere in the US, that is not the case at all. Just because it's a requirement in the 2020 NEC doesn't mean your state will actually require it, many parts of the code are exempted depending on the state you live in. You can read the local building codes yourself, or talk to your local building inspector to find out if a GFCI breaker is actually required or not. Statements like "All NEMA 14-50 outlets will have to have GFCI soon" are not factually correct, so non-GFCI outlets will remain as a good installation option for EV chargers in the foreseeable future. Future code versions will require a 40A or larger EV charging outlet in every new home, so plug-in EVSEs are here to stay.
Again, there is no guarantee that the 40A will ever be required. Many standards do arise from public outcry such as water temp control valves in showers. I believe requirements will go more towards hard wired in. Plugs are too generic with wiring and placement. Our power company gives you a larger rebate if you hard wire the charging unit.
Great video on all the adaptors....wish there was more UL listed ones. When dealing with level 2 and 3 charging, knowing that its been tested and accepted by a NRTL (testing laboratory) will help the consumer protect both the vehicle and the home electrical system.
Know I'll get lots of blow back from non-Tesla folks, but we owners have financed the Super Charger network with added costs of the vehicle, approx $2000 per purchase. I support the expansion to other EVs, but that expansion needs to limit the impact to existing owners. Lets see what the roll out looks like before too many demands are placed on the SC network. A mix of propriatary Tesla connectors and CCS sounds best to me. Over the years I've purchased 3 Teslas and I do use the SC network quite a bit, having done 6 cross country trips from CA to NY and countless trips from SF to Seattle. In addition to a MY we now also drive a Volvo C40 Recharge and plan to use the SC network with the Volvo....when a good UL listed adaptor comes along....or the one Tesla sells because it will be at least tested on its network. I think Tesla's adaptor will be useful for level 2 and 3 charging wrapped up in just one unit.
Thanks Martin for posting... I'm hesitant to purchase an electric vehicle, and Not sure I'll even fit... At 6'4" and 400ish... I hope that prices will come down. Can't spend $60k for the Tesla 3, which is probably the largest EV and only chance of getting in...
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It's too early to do away with gas and price us out of the market until the infrastructure country wide is installed!
This was a very informative video that I recommend all new EV owners watch. I know I learned a lot. Thank you for producing. I am subscribing to your channel so I can keep up with the new info. (Kia EV6 owner and Juicebox 48amp hardwired by licensed electrician😜)
Every adapter adds joints between multiple wires. All these joints have resistance, causing heat. Have you used a thermal camera on any of these products in use? The main issue with the DC variants is that non-OEM products are likely prohibited by your agreement with the charging network, so if they detect use they can close your account. I use AC adapters for Tesla destination chargers but they come with a social cost from Tesla drivers who want exclusive use of "their" chargers while being able to share everyone else's.
Interesting to watch this in retrospektiv, after Tesla released NACS, and others came onboard.
well done, appreciate the information.
Said another way if you own a lighting and its cold and your pulling a load you need to keep the power plant connected to go 50 miles. :)
Great video! Thank you for all the Intel! Am I correct in that with the TeslaTap Mini, I could use that adapter to charge my Porsche Taycan at Tesla charging stations? Secondly, if you don’t mind, would I need to download a Tesla app to pay for the charge? Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
Excellent tutorial I learned a lot thank you
It's amazing how quickly this information went stale. What a snapshot in history.
Will the chademo adaptor work even on the most recent teslas ?
Great informational video. Thanks!
Thank you for such a thorough video.
In over my head? Novice with cap N...Looking to start Electric-Vehicle Charging Service? Tom was the best I found online
Everybody is driving Tesla in this area. So good idea????
26:10 I could have filled up my whole tank, bought some Ho-Ho's and lottery tickets and been half way home before you even started your 2-3 hours of charging! LOL
Great Content Man. Watched it to the end. But the Tesla mirror obstructed our view of the chargers when they were pluged in the port
Wow! Impressive video! I live in Brazil, in 2023 BYD is selling Dolphin model, so your video it is interesting to know more if I go to US and use a Tesla car, but Iearned a lot with your demonstration, understanding better what I can find here in Brazil using Type 2 & Type 2 CCS. Thanks for this great content
My 2021 Tesla Model 3 Long Range does not have the CCS1 adapter capability enabled.
I've since learned that for a period in 2021, Tesla stopped including the hardware on its cars to be CCS enabled because of supply shortages, but then started including it again. Unfortunately, it seems that your car was made during the period when they didn't add the CCS support hardware.
Thanks for all your videos!! Looking forward to check your review for the EVSE from Emporia! It looks to be a great value and it’s now UL certified. 🙏🏻
Excellent video. Explained everything for me. Initially there was no EV plug standard, so Tesla started the revolution. Reminds me of BETA vs.VHS recording tapes/players. Sony kept the priority of BETA and after a while died off. Tesla vs. CCS lugs is the same thing. Chademo is dying and almost gone. CCS is the "new" VHS. However, I think Tesla will adapt to CCS1.
Tom, great video as always. Your content is timely and informational. - Since EA is being mandated to include Chademo cables in their California installations, perhaps EA should sell an inexpensive and less clunky Chademo to Tesla adapter. They would probably see more revenue and use from Tesla owners who cannot utilize a CCS adapter. - I realize that 50kW is not especially fast, but in many cases it is totally sufficient.
Great and informative video, Tom. Small suggestion though. Wear a contrasting shirt. A black adapter against a black T shirt does not show well.
Great job on the video! I enjoy how practical and thorough your reviews are.
Thanks. Always appreciate your content but this one in particular. I tried to buy the Tesla to J1772 adapter from Lextron. Problem is they are sold out. Finally found one at Amazon and immediately after I purchased it they said "Sold Out". Seem to be hard to find these days. Glad I have it because two of the hotels I use regularly only have Tesla destination chargers. Thanks again for helping with my range anxiety!
Great video full of useful information. Thanks Tom!
Very informative video. I like how you stress safety on using these adapters.
My SETEC adapter works. Used it a couple weeks ago. I think if you tried harder, you may have more success. I think the problem is EA. Just about every time I use it, I have to make multiple attempts to get success and oftentimes, change stalls. One time, I went to three stalls before it worked, but I have used it a lot. I don't like it because it is indeed clunky, but when there are no superchargers, you'll try really hard. 😁
Got my tesla adapter for ccs1 from a company called Harumio for $309.00... only thing I need now is a home battery for an apartment that I can use to also charge my car:)
Did it actually work.. let us know
@@greghemming4414 Yes, I tested it on a chargepoint dc fast charger in NYC and it worked (only 60kw.. but enough to know it worked), but there is a word of caution. If your vehicle does not support it then it will not work. I believe the host of this show covered that, but I want to reiterate it. If your car does not say it is ccs compatible then it will not work.
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I keep looking for an adapter to charge my CCS car from a Supercharger. It sounds like the only DCFC options are for Teslas to charge at non-Tesla stations. It would be great if there were options to go the other direction. It looks like there are level-2 options to charge Tesla with non-Tesla stations and vice versa, but not level 3.
Great quality video as always! Very very informative, I look forward to Tesla opening up their network, whether it's with new stations or an adapter.
While the CCS-Tesla adapter is great, I don’t have enough CCS adapters around me to justify it. (Or more so, V3 superchargers wipe the map compared to standard CCS points). The J1772 on the other hand though, it’s super useful in daily lives. It’s all over the place and works with literally anything. Workplace has it, schools have it, malls have it, some are even free.
Great video. I have two 2021 model Y's. The long range manufactured in june 2021 is CCS enabled. The performance one manufacturered in September 2021 is not CCS enabled. Definitely need to check before you buy an adapter
Tom, I assumed you'd show off the 3 level 2 Tesla to J1772 adapters to charge a non-Tesla using a Tesla destination charger. Seemed like you missed that, as even though you explained those 3 adapters, you missed out on showing them in use. Since you already own a Tesla destination adapter, this seems like it would be a quick video.
I agree, I would like to see that, as with a lot of other people. Some EVS are coming out that are better than Teslas, but Tesla owners have a Tesla charger in the garage and may wish to change
I have another video on those: ruclips.net/video/66_4FICcn9w/видео.html
I have a Tesla Model Y that I bought new in mid-2021 and it is not CCS-enabled!
I have never really had a need to use CCS, but having that as an option would have been nice.
I've since learned that for a period in 2021, tesla stopped including the hardware on its cars to be CCS enabled because of supply shortages, but then started including it again. Unfortunately, it seems that your car was made during the period when they didn't add the CCS support hardware.
Tom. Great video. I have a etron Audi. And I installed a juice box. But, when I plog it to my car. Start charging perfectly. Then the next 5 minutes stop charging.
Great job! I think you covered just about everything. A friend of mine has a 2020 Model 3 that is not enabled to make use of the CCS adapter. He actually bought a CHAdeMO adapter long ago and in his situation, that is all he can use. That is the only reason to still buy one of these monsters. I have heard a rumour also that you can possibly upgrade the charging ECU in the older Teslas to allow them to use the CCS adapter. Possibly Tesla may start offering that service when they start selling the CCS adapter in North America.
Wow! This was great. You basically boiled it down to the two types of adapters people need to get for 1772 or CCS 1. There's one more need that you should have spent more time with although we could figure it out. What if people have a Tesla charger in their house but wants to get a different EV? Is the Tesla to ccs1 adapter, made by Tesla, the only thing they'll need? That assumes that the new car has a ccs1 port, like the Kia ev6.
Tom first timer and enjoyed it. I have a Chrysler pacifica hybrid and have been using the charger with a dryer plug I had installed in my garage (50A 22V). I just bought a model Y and want to get an adapter from my wall plug to the tesla plug so that I ca use the charging cable that came with the car and charge at home. Am an RV guy and we used to call those adapters that were two ends connecting different plugs on the ends a dog bone. So I want a dogboe adapter from 50 A female receptacle to a tesla male. I am sure there is terminology I am not using that would help. But can you recommend this type of adapter? thanks Jim
The initial graphic maybe should change on the far right for Tesla. It should say North America only, for their excellent connector.
great job ! very informative and well explained.
Nicely done. Packed with useful info.
One of the best video evet. Very informative. Thank you very much indeed.
Great job Tom... these options are pretty confusing! Thanks for trying to explain this to a non-electric consumer! With ICE vehicles it's so much less confusing, only need to understand that E88 is not good 'sometimes' and diesel fuel works sometimes. And the availability is EVERYWHERE... but charging stations few and far between.
very informative, especially as Aptera is trying to push Tesla charger as standard and may come only with with Tesla plug
That was super interesting and very informative, thanks Tom!
Great job, Tom! You're the expert. So fast, out of date tho. Would love more coverage of ***non-Tesla DCFC*** in North America. Will CCS adapters be introduced, which operate at 250KW, V2 or V3, Tesla SCs, where one does not find a Magic Dock? This is currently confusing, as many 250KW stations do not have them, and possibly won't get them. What is the ongoing pulse of the NACS roll-out? Will CCS equiped cars get the short stick if Tesla doesn't retro-fit enough "magic docks" and simply serves 2025 onward vehicles (OE supplied NACs female)?
Check out the a2z ccs1 to Tesla adapter. Comes with a locking ring as well!
Yeah, a bunch of new adapters have come out since I made this video.
Tom, enjoy your informative videos but have couple of nits to bring up. Please don’t play loose when referring to current, voltage, power and energy. For example, you said that adapters come at different power levels but then you specify amperage levels for these. Yes, real power is current times voltage but if you are referring to current, don’t say power; it unnecessarily adds confusion to people who are not familiar with these measures. Second, it is very hard to see those black-colored adapters against your black t-shirt background , so please consider a background providing some contrast when holding items up for display. Thank you
Here's the thing Tom. Your large array of connectors you hold during your tutorial are invisible against your black polo. I would get your wardrobe director to grab a green one, or light grey. This would maximize the effectiveness of your excellent work with just one retake.
I think this is one of those topics that needs frequent updates.
I like the idea of the CCS1 Tesla adapter because around me there are a lot of grocery stores with CCS and no one is at them so charging while I shop is nice. I know it costs more than home but my bar is just beating my old Charger Scat Pack in fueling costs.
350 kW chargers can deliver full power only for 800V cars (e.g Porsche or Hyundai I5). For the rest (with 400V) these can provide 180-200 kW. The current and CCS connectors are limited to 500A. Tesla connectors can charge at 850A - for a short time, which is a case usually because of charge curve.
8:25 I'd check the "tesla tap" and see if the pilot signal pin is longer than the others. Once the pilot signal is lost the contactors open so it's not live anymore (hint: this is what the button oa J1772 does. It interrupts the pilot signal)