NAMM 2024 - Zoom - Updated Multistomp Pedals
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- We got to catch up again with Samuel from Zoom at NAMM 2024 to find out about the latest updates to their renowned multi-stomp pedal series. The new MS50G is the first in the lineup, catering specifically to guitar effects enthusiasts. With 100 built-in effects and the ability to use up to six simultaneously, the pedal is a versatile solution for musicians looking to maximize their pedal board space.
Samuel also introduces the MS200D , a distortion pedal designed to fill the crunch gap in the series, featuring 200 distortion options, including 36 classic tones and 164 Zoom designs. This pedal allows users to combine effects, experiment with series or parallel configurations, and quickly switch between two effects using the alternate mode. While the MS50G is already available, the MS200D is set to release in the coming months, promising an expanded range of algorithms and effects.
MS-50G Plus Price: 129.99 USD
MS 200D Plus Price: 139.99 USD
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As a happy user of the MS-70CDR, I fervently hope that Zoom add a MIDI input (even if only 3.5mm) for clock sync! Maybe even a pulse clock input to interface with the Volcas et al. :)
They probably wont
Excluding midi interface and propper software implementation would be a major oversight.
I noticed the MS-50G+ has a USB-C port in the rear, I hope it's opened up for MIDI - and for patch modification ala the old B1ON/G1ON series.
Zoom guy didn't get the hint that we want ms70CDR info. Whats the sample rate, whats the bit depth, is the processor and memory better so we can run more effects, hows the recall, is it easy to do program change via midi? Etc.
Does the UI not make you want to throw yourself out of a window etc.
ms70cdr had a lot of potential but was hold back by it's mediocre sound quality. I they fix that I'm on board.
And I want all of this in a cheap $100.00 pedal.
Sample rate is staying at 44.1khz. Don't see the point of getting one
@@luisbarrera5740 it's deceptive. The 12AX7 is arguably the most favored active device used in guitar amplification technology and they cap off at about 20 khz in operating bandwidth, but you'll find most tube pedals and tube amp designs top out at around 10 Khz.
If processor is designed well, it could be capped off at 10 or 20 Khz and you'd never notice it. In fact, one of the reason solid-state is disliked by so many players is the extremely high, even order harmonic production that results by the use of semiconductors on both analog and digital equipment.
You play a 100 Hz bass note and yet it has that "crust" of rasp and staticky sound which is sometimes up to 100 Khz of audible harmonics coming through from a 100 Hz range note. It's actually that semiconductors are more accurate and conduct a lot more of the sound, but in terms of how it sounds, it's not typically favored.
If I play my 8-string guitars through my Zoom G2 vs my Zoom G5, the G2 has *WAY* better clarity and note separation and that's because it caps off at 40 Khz in terms of frequency reproduction regardless of the 96Khz sampling. If I hit a shredding and bassy arpeggio on my 8-string guitars, it's phenomenally clearer and more defined through the G2, but being over 20 years old the sound quality isn't overall as good which is an irrelevant attribute;it's old.
So, the sampling rate of these is actually an advantage. I'm an engineer and working on my own analog and digital designs. one of my critical design topologies is not taking the circuits so ridiculously high in bandwidth. It eliminates the nightmare of "trash" in the signal that people despise solid-state for. Given another 5 to 10 years at most, I expect digital to account for over 90% of all guitar gear sales. Tubes will die out with most players as the best of the best within a 10 year mark.
The multi-stomp is the best modeler multi-effects in it’s price range…it is amazing!
Love Zoom! ❤ Price/performance/quality winners 👍
Pretty sure the old MS-50G is being discontinued so I just got another one. The DSP on the new 50G+ is not improved and only 5 preamps. With the 3.10 update you get way more effects and 22 amp models. I did not see the advantage with the updated version except maybe a little easier interface.
This one is for bassplayers. silence........ This is an amp and IR bla bla.
💀💀💀
Hahaha
Lolll
😅 maybe if you use very good headphones you’ll hear something….
😂
Right at the end he says there's going to be new algorithms on these which is really the only reason you'd want these over the older products with the same engine like my $50 B10N. However, the old algorithms sound pretty damn good already.
a new ms70cdr! Exciting!
love my ms100. best workhorse pedal.Its like 11 years old at this point.
Is there going to be a Bluetooth version for my phone Android like the old 100..
And can you use your foot to change patches? the old one I have to keep bending down on stage The new buttons seem like you could But how delicate are they..
The two old zoom those round buttons on the side both pedals broke the little buttons inside..
I really hope they didn't "de-bug" the newer pedals (or release a patch a forced update patch that blocks it). That was a major selling point
Amazing pedals and concept.... The Amp modeler and IR loeader is a great idea. (the black model).
I was looking at the effects list of the MS50G+ when it was first announced, and was wondering why it had amp modelling but no cab sim, like the old one did. But if Zoom are doing a dedicated IR pedal that would explain it. Still a bit crap that you need two pedals to replace the old one.
It makes sense if the quality is better than the og imo
Yes they really ruined it. The whole appeal of the pedal was having everything in one pedal. Now you need two?? Also the tap tempo is very compicated to use in this new one. Im buing an old unit before they discontinue it. 🙄
midi and effects loop is a must
I think fx loop is pretty forgettable tbh, as gladly there are a lot of cheap fx loop and blender pedals out there, but... I agree MIDI is a MUST today (either for external control or clock sync), even more important if the MS-70CDR+ is supposedly marketed for keys/synth players. Lack of space is not an excuse today because of MIDI thru mini-TRS jacks.
The old ms70 is a classic because you could change every effect with a unofficial software
Oh shit I didn’t know that, gonna look that up
Oh shit I didn’t know that, gonna look that up
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Is it just me, or has black become the default chassis colour for ALL impulse response devices, no matter who makes them?
lol I don't know...what about Walrus's yellow one? The radial engineering ones I use are red. THe dumbolt simplifier is white. The KMA one is brown.
They only need ONE it's just the same box with different software. Instead of selling them separately. Let people load whatever they want on to it. If you need to make more money then sell license for the individual algorithms.
When he said they love when people use their products they way they want to he hinted that the firmware hack will probably still be possible with the new products. I guess it's been a huge selling point for their old units. So why now charge people to use different algorithms?
@@johanneschristopherstahle3395 Why make 5 of them? Just make one. No reason to make people hack it.
Selling the algorithms is a more investor friendly monetization strategy, and it funds development of new algorithms into the future.
The MS70-CDR, at the very least, needs headphone out. If zoom realizes that a lot of us would be using this with a synth, understanding that there are sooooo many portable synths these days that need effects, they should realize how mandatory headphone out is... Without headphone out I'll be buying the new NTS-1, instead, just for adding effects to my synths on the go...
You could just use a y-splitter cable to connect your headphones? Or just invest in a mixer, or something like an octatrack. Your comment makes absolutely no sense and headphone out on a pedal sounds dumb AF
@@jocee2257 First, the output level is too low for headphones, so using a splitter wouldn't be an option. Second, if you read my comment, using this with portable synths, bringing along a mixer, or even a headphone amp, nullifies any of the benefit you'd get from a small, cheap, multi effect unit like this. It would make far more sense, at that point, to just purchase a higher quality effects unit, most of which *do* have headphone output, as they realize the advantage this gives in the use case I've outlined.
@@LeRoy3rd in the mean time, check out Maker hart
@jocee2257 Since when is an Octatrack something you *just* get? The synth community really do be posh as fuck. Slightly bigger multieffects like the Line 6 HX stomp have a headphone out and it's a super useful addition for home playing. Reckon they didn't put it on the Zooms because (aside from the price concerns) you'd get idiot guitarists who'd plug their distortion pedals in without a cab sim then proclaim it "souns like ass on headphones".
@@NONAMEACCESSIBLE Agreed. One of my favorite synths to bring with me on the bus, or to the laundromat, or the library, is my MicroFreak. But it sounds pretty sterile without some delay and reverb. The idea of bringing something expensive, and heavy, like an octotrack, is ridiculous. Zoom's line of pedals is far more capable than, say, the nts-1, but it's also not as usable in a scenario like this. I need some sort of effects unit that's small, usb-powered, and has headphone out. It's not a complicated situation. Currently I just run my synth into my phone and use fl studio mobile for some simple effects, but it's not a great solution. For my use case, unfortunately, it seems like the new nts-1 is probably a better solution, and, added bonus, that gives me another mono-synth to play with. 😄
Zoom does some cool stuff here and there. Those boxes are killer.
I'll never sell my G3. But the G5n sounds like absolute garbage.
But seems like they've lost all their momentum and gotten either lazy or given up?
Zoom, the pedal company of choice for synth players! I can't wait for that distortion pedal, it's probably better than the X-Drive
As a fan of these pedals,. I hope they seriously give you some way to control these pedals with midi. That is my only gripe with previous versions.
Why is that guy telling nothing about the ms60b+ 😡
Who needs 200 distortion models??? It’s instant option paralysis…
The reason why people love this multi stomp is you don't need more pedal to carry, You saved more energy while waiting to perform on stage.
How to update the ZOOM G1X Four?
They're missing on one for acoustic players. ❤
It's a good point! What would you add for acoustic players?
@@fastheartmartvideos xlr secondary input 🥹
*The 200 is so incredibly tempting* but my current desire is an all in one unit in a pocket sized package. It's also an ingenious design because the amount of people that will want it is ridiculous and it also guarantees we'll be buying something else to pair with it and take up the slack.
*I'm about the only shred, sweep and chug guy that likes a really dry signal* with just high gain distortion, but I do use a tiny bit of reverb or delay frequently and without an EQ or the ability to stack 4 or 5 amp/gain/distortion effects?
It's the ultimate wish list pedal bar none though. As badly as I want it, the MS-50G+ is the better route for me.
Zoom g2 four have that effects?
Is the bypass fixed?
Love Zoom! I wish you had a mobile version like the Riff so I could play my electric guitar at the park or at work in silence with my headphones on :~)
Dream come true for me!
Reaaaally interested my the bass and IR pedal, especially if they really can run multiple effects at once and can be digitally updated by users...
Not sure why they are calling these an updated version. Nobody seems to be talking about it, but from what I’ve seen, it looks like they dropped a lot of the amp models from the MS50, and they are also now only *preamp* models rather than full amp models. If that’s the case, I don’t know what the heck they were thinking.
I would assume that they took those effects from the 50G+ so they could give people more reasons to buy the 80IR+.
What I'm most anxious to know about, is whether the 70CDR+ will have all the same effects as the old version, or maybe some more? Also, has the DSP been upgraded so you can stack more delays and reverbs together without it throwing a hissy fit...
Cool!!! I love my MS70CDR
Looking forward to the new effects
I cant wait for the CDR+ 😁
ZOOM MS200 is 140 dollars? In Japan, it is 14,000 yen. In dollars, it would be 20,800 yen lol. The Japanese price is 13,900 yen, but it is 93.7 dollars in dollars. However, imported musical instruments are now more expensive than before.
Cant wait to see how wild the 70cdr will be, ill make do with my hacked g1on til then though
And still no native support for MIDI over USB? 🙄
There is MIDI via USB. That's what the Handy Guitar Lab apps use.
@@joebowbeer But... Handy is not actually MIDI, not actually native? I know there have been work-arounds in the past (particularly with Arduino hosts), but having a USB-C to MIDI dongle that can plug from the Zoom directly into your switcher for patch changes, parameter mapping, and global MIDI tap tempo would be the "killer app".
Or are you telling me this is what is in the new units?
@@Markleford AFAIK the USB-MIDI support is native and that is what HGA and those OSS projects on GitHub are using. HOWEVER, the "standard" MIDI support has been limited to patch changes (PC). There was no support for control change messages (CC). Most of what HGA does is using "proprietary" sysex messages. So, I see your point. The MIDI implementation has not been easy to use, and I expect this hasn't changed.
Missed an opportunity to put two foot switches on that...
Well it has 5 actually, but you're still right. And no midi :(
Or an EXP. input
Not sure about the old MS, but G1Four/etc supports 'custom' midi over USB. In fact a clever 'hacker' published his DIY project to add five foot switches and tap tempo...
So basically 50G+ and 200D+ are different! To me, I’m finding 50G+ is more useful than the other one!
They need to let the algo mix and match then the pedal will sell like hotcake .
damn, so they made the MS50G+ without an IR option because an IR exclusive pedal will be released. lol thats marketing
i have 2 ms70s and 2 ms5g all i need is the ms80
I want to get them all 😅
No mention of MIDI IN :/
There is MIDI via USB. That's what the Handy Guitar Lab apps use. HOWEVER, except for changing patches (PC), all the control is via sysex msgs. There are no CC messages implemented, which is what you'd need to connect a MIDI expression pedal.
The new ones are not working with MIDI via USB anymore.
for ios editor 👍🏻👏👏👏
Use the R16 for recording rehearsals.....
Get ahead of the firmware hack and make a version of these boxes that has all algorithms included - for 2x the price of 1.
I want to love zoom products but their screens are very outdated…
It's a vibe
So stupid that they haven't added midi + the option yo load the old effects 🤦🤦🤦
The old MS-70CDR is compact, nice looking.......... but this ones are big, *glossy* and ...with that buttons like "5 y.o.'s design".
I understand that it is a pedal, literally, but many people using it for synth. Controversy decisions. I would not buy....... or suggest to make compact table top version. And not glossy......
MS 60 For Bass Players...SILENCE...good lord...
I have MS50G+ and I must say it's a downgrade for more money compared to the old MS50G
Could you elaborate on that please?
@@andreash3906 Sure. No amp modeling, reduced number of reverbs to I think 7, none for me very usable, no improvement on the the effects, they are the same quality as in the old unit. Couple of new "preamps" which are basically drive pedals and are usable in front of amp only. As I recall, less delays, less modulation effects. I hoped it could be a Swiss army pedal but it really isn't at the moment. I hope they will improve it in the future but right now the older unit has more value to me.
"... we'll tell you about some day."
🤣🤣🤣
add midi for god sake :(
I remember "Zoom H6 Black" at higher price with missing capluses. Not it is pedals.
"Pay more for less" is a "new standard" all around, such a BS.... instead of polish beloved product everyone inventing "new" and 99% do not listen customers
instead of giving hundreds of efects why not reduce the amount to just 10 but really really goood ones....less is more.
And this is why you don’t run a business.
They fucked up the MS50g. They removed the IR from the amps and they overcomplicated the tap tempo function. The previous MS50 is a much better unit and value.
Absolutely the worst product design.
Bad gear here we come he uses the crap out of the OG 1
bad pr to have so much eye candy and nothing to buy. "we'll have something for you someday." Come on Zoom.
Couldn't keep up with his motor mouth. Calm down and relax,its not a race