NEW TAYLORMADE M3 DRIVER & M4 DRIVER
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- NEW TAYLORMADE M3 & M4 DRIVERS
PGA Golf Pro Rick Shiels checks out the NEW TAYLORMADE M3 DRIVER & M4 DRIVER in this first look and first hit video!
Full indepth review will be arriving in 2 weeks!
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Rick, would love to see how much ball performance changes when having the M3 weights all the way back vs. all the way forward. How much does spin rate change as a result? Do you see the same spin rate changes when hitting draws vs. fades? What are the different settings that you have tinkered that were the most surprising?
The best first-look-review you have ever done! Please compare it to the old m1,m2 with some gc quad data. Maybe test Y track against old T track!
Get someone good to hit the shots 😒😒💤
Top job again, Rick. It’s funny you mentioned it but BMW was one of the first things that came to mind for me when I seen the head covers in the background.
...agreed.
Looks like a BMW product.
The m on the bottom of the driver was the 1st thing that made me think of the bmw m badge. Agreed
BMW was the first thing I thought as well! Sounds like they may be just as fast!
Their nearly the same price as a BMW,not for me I'll wait for the M5 and M6 coming out in March👎
Gonna get a set when it comes out to match my 2018 M3 lol
Back to back: M1 versus M3 and M2 versus M4 would answer my questions..... thanks Rick 👍🏼
Hey Rick, I totally agree with your observation about them looking like something from BMW's M division. I thought exactly the same when I first saw them!
Surely BMW will have something to say about this as well.
BMW have refused to send a badge to test it against.
Hey Rick,
Big Fan! I really enjoy your reviews, but I have a question... how come in your TaylorMade driver videos, the drivers don't talk?
Your Biggest Fan,
Randy
Fried Eggs Golf and Rick why not wearing a fried eggs shirt during the review😜👍🏽
That’s a fair criticism. What’s up with that?
... or fight 😂😂😂
Fried Eggs Golf you got too much time in your hands, make videos
Randy you legend! Hope you have a great 2018 and maybe get a few cameos with Rick, Pete and the lads!
Love the new format of testing Rick more in depth and detailed. Keep up the amazing work. Cheers
Makes sense. Hook shots are typically lower, so makes sense to add loft to toe. Conversely, slice shots are typically higher (usually due to open clubface) so reduced loft on heel.
Now I can finally afford the m1 thanks m3 and m4
Justin Aaberg you read my mind! I liked the M2. Now I can pick one up for a 30% discount! I love it when TM releases a “new” club every 6 months!
M1 is a better driver than m3 and m5 imo especially for distance
Now M3 is 60% off !
So glad you're finally mentioning the cost of a product Rick. It's probably the number one determining factor in an amateur's purchase decision .
Best explanation of the twist face I have heard yet. Do you think the new twist face will have any impact on the top tour players in terms of them having to adjust to it or shaping the ball?
Matthew McBride they’ll prob have their own versions made with a flat face
Absolutely not. All marketing.
Here's a specialty test that gets to the heart of the twist face claims. Hit shots until you get identical club and impact conditions i.e. swing speed, ball speed, impact position, dynamic loft, launch angle, etc ... the works. Then compare resulting shot shapes for new m3/m4 vs last years m1/m2. I realise this will take some time and effort to get all numbers lined up but maybe worth the time.
I'd like to see the m4 put up against the 2016 m2 driver as I'm in two minds to buy the new m4 or go with the older m2. Great review as always.
Good demo Rick.on the next review, please look at the difference between;1- Draw and fade settings on the M1 being in the front vs the rear on the M32- what's the overall head weight difference due to less weight on the track of the M3I play the M1 set to full draw and med. Curious about the change to the CG at that set up.Thanks.
With the twist in the club face, everything will depend on angles at impact. If a golfer makes contact high on the toe with an open face good luck finding that ball 40 yards to the right, deep in the trees. Same if it's low and heely. Just to the left and probably not as high of a ball flight. Considering the price point, it would make more sense to me, to pay for 4 or 5 driver lessons then buy a driver suited for your new & improved swing.
Absolutely! But companies want you to believe their "new" driver will make you better! How many hits do you make with a driver each round? Approx.14.? Is this driver going to change your 90-100 score? No. But lessons will definitely lower it. At a reduced cost! And you probably could use ladys clubs and score better than you ever did! Its all a marketing ploy. Every year a club or ball has been "improved", so every hacker runs out and buys $50 /dozen balls and still gets poison ivy looking for them in the woods! Buy Deep Woods Off" instead/
You have to keep in mind what TaylorMade are calling high toe and low heel, compared to what I, as a 15 handicapper, would describe. In their promo video with their staff players, the show the range. I would be happy with all their heel and toe hits. I like that you are incorporating cost as this is a massive part of any change of clubs.
Proof is in the performance, be interested to see some high toe and low heal shots to see how they compare to last years models. So put them up against their predecessors and see if twist face is just a gimmick to sell more clubs.
This^^^ Compare to the Cobra F8 with Milled Face and Ping G400. Both are billed as very forgiving and very straight. I would like to see strike data as well.
Really hard (virtually impossible) to test heal/toe strikes because if Rick tries to hit them out of the heal/toe he’s going to swing differently and thus you don’t get an accurate representation of what a real heal/toe strike would be...
David Fletcher i
Commenting without googling 1st so could well be wrong, but I think the Cobra tech you mentioned was called E9, something about having 9 sweetspots on the face, they were higher on toe and lower on heel as well.
Wow, those were 10 of the wildest shots I've ever seen you hit.
I'd really like to see you track your dispersion with these vs your gamer.
Jake Weaver agreed. Much more focus needs to be on hitting a fairway, I've snapped drivers for better shots than those. Hit them to a real fairway and judge clubs on that
Yes, please do an in-depth test on where the ball actually goes when hitting off-center. Somehow "Gear effect" started way back with Persimmon heads being convex to bring off-center hits back to centerline. And also if the weight movement actually does anything. I believe the weights on the back will have more influence on ball spin than the old SLDR style weight on the front. Back in the 90's we used to experiment with lead tape and found that putting tape on the back edge of the heel created a draw and on the back edge of the toe created a fade. Thanks Rick!
Rick loving the new format. Happy new year. Question: can you justify the huge price tag on these clubs and if so do you think they compare in performance to the original M1 and M2.
Looking forward to the more in depth review. Good luck for 2018 Rick.
All the best to you too! Hopefully some of these questions will be answered soon!
i'd like to see your reviews compare the m1/m3 and m2/m4 and not just the new versions on their own.
I actually commented on Pete's video about the Cobra connection just before watching this. Every Cobra driver since 2011 has had their E9 face which is made to counter the strike pattern which Taylormade have "discovered" in 2017.
Noooooo!!!!!! I want you to review the Mizuno st-180 you said the review was coming soon.
Agree with others, the new format is killer! A lot of info, but well worth the watch. Here are some questions:
- what are other teaching pros (your peers) saying about this new twist face tech?
- hard to imagine seeing the TM Pros benefiting from this tech, is it designed more with the high handicapper in mind?
- Put the M4 head to head with the 2016 M2 and compare to the Ping G400.
- can you test the 440 cc head models?
- can the weight on the M4 be swapped out for lighter/heavier?
- the M4 also comes in a draw model, can you have someone with a slice test it?
Thanks!!!!
Is like to see Rob use it. A more average strike and see if it helps his game
Chris_h _ Great idea.Bring on Robbo
Agreed. Love to see Rob use the M3 with the weights all the way back and more central to see differences in forgiveness, distance etc. Also have him test the M4 as well and both with his normal flex shaft he uses.
Agreed.
I think it may be more to do with getting Rick to play not only his usual 5 rips but bring the tempo down (speed) to say 90% of normal, then 80%, 70%, and see what's going on with the driver then. Rick hits at something like 112 mph so were could be looking at 100, 90, and 80. All the analysis on what the tech does would be far easier with an Iron Byron - toe hits, heel hits, high and low off the face , and speed of swing. If only we could get that data we might STOP buying clubs?
Nice in depth look.
I feel like the Y-track is a step backwards from the T-Track of yesteryear. I want that weight back middle without creating draw or fade bias.
Could you stack the two at the crossroads of the Y-track? Or maybe it's time to move onto the M4. Personally, I think this is actually a better move by Taylormade because it just provides that much more customization. If you want that, then the M1 2016/2017 is for you. This M3 may work better for another. Just opens up the possibilities. But I am with you for most part. I'll let my setup/swing take care of the fade or draw.
Love to see the m4 up against the m2
They’d perform identically
Adams Snapworld Maybe, maybe not.. which is why I'd love to see the m4 up against the m2 (which I currently have in the bag)
M2 quicker around the track man.. lol
I'd like to see a comparison test between the 2016, 2017 and 2018 M drivers with the same shaft. If memory serves me correctly, Rick had much better results with the 2016 versions over the last 2 versions. I'd like to see an updated comparison given that you can still buy the 2016 versions.
Workability, especially with the twist face.
Really like the new shot from behind and actually seeing your shot. Great work Rick!!
Please compare the M2 against the M4
Cracking vid Rick, I think you should test the difference of hi-toe open/closed and then low heel open/closed, and what impact that has on the outcome of the drive due to most amateurs not having the consistant centre of the face hits. All the best :D
The "Twisted Face"-thing has been around for at least 6 years. Both Cobra and Adams (which BTW Are Owned by TM) did This i 2012.
It's all marketing BS!!
Pretty sure Puma owns Corba
Rick! Do a comparison video of high end drivers versus some sport direct specials, Dunlop, Slazenger etc. I’ve always wanted to see the real life difference side by side. Cheers keep up the great work!
Send them over to Mark.
Squizzy Bollock mark isn’t bothered about it, he explained that in a 20 minute video going on and on about taylormade
Hey Rick,
It would be really interesting to see a test with the M3; 10 shots on the most draw biased settings compared with 10 on the most fade bias to see how much effect the sliding weights have. Then, compare the results with an M1 test to see the effect of the twist face.
Going further, it would be interesting to see what the data looked like after many more shots (30 or so) where center strikes were removed (just focusing on off center strikes) to further test the theory of the twist face tech.
Just my thoughts. Thanks for your great content!
Nice review,but what does Crossfield think?!
Who cares, Crossfield is a boring child...
Maybe you could test adding loft to close the face at address to see if the high toe shot curves to the left instead of finishing offline to the right. Love the review and new style of testing!
Great video rick.
That first look video showed us all we need to know! Twist face is yet another gimmick which will make bad strikes/swings even worse shots. Off the toe with open face face to path / out the heel with closed face to path will be disastrous.
Great vid as always Rick 👍
Loved this review. Like your new idea for testing products! 👍🏻
Cheers Kyle!
Hey Rick,
With the understanding that strike is king and that golf has so many variables you could shake a stick at, when looking at swing path and club face direction, wouldn't the off center hits on the toe and heel have more variables and therefore more mishits? Because of the difference in twist face tech on the clubs compared to older models?
Twist face 😂😂😂😂😂😂
What a load of absolute B/S
Typical taylormade guff
It makes sense though. A toe strike will typically result in lower spin and a heel strike will typically result in high spin. By twisting the face like that, a heel strike ball will launch lower and a toe strike will launch higher. That sure will help with optimal distance. The higher the launch, the lower the spin has to be. The lower the launch, the higher the spin has to be.
Kevin Lu l Storm Chasing ha ha ha ha you've been sucked in , it won't make a shread of difference. No technology can fix a bad swing / shot. All a big marketing ploy!!
+mike hunt - True that no club can fix a bad swing and lessons are better than clubs. However, there is a reason our golf club has a bulged curve. It helps with the gear effect. So is the twisted face. But I am skeptical it is going to help low handicap golfers
😂😂 You may very well be right!
I love that you added "real life" view for one shot. More of that please :)
As Shania Twain says "that don't impress me much"
Dave Parry that won't keep you warm in the middle of the night
She also said, ''I feel like a woman''
You check out Cobra's F-series drivers. They are fantastic.
Really like the new style of review. As a student, they're a bit out of my price range but love hearing about the technology and price
From those 10 shots I've just watched you hit.......I didn't think that twist face tech worked at all.
agree
Agreed, half the shots would be OB on any form of tight hole.
For a pro like Sheils who hits it in the center of the face more often, the twist face tech won't benefit him the slightest.
I think the twist face will be a lot more beneficial for higher handicapped golfers. But every year we're introduced to a new "game changing" technology, last year was "Jailbreak", and now its Twist Face
cgasucks I guess so but the shots he hit in this video were quite bad and no matter what tech youve got it wouldn't have stopped the balls hooking or slicing
So it sounds like distance has pretty much been maxed out since the M1/M2. I’d like to see a long drive comparison - M1 vs M3 and M2 vs M4. Go all out and see if the new ones are really more accurate via the average dispersion. Check the ball speed differences across the face too!
No wonder less people are playing golf ..we them crazy prices..absolute joke
Dean O yeh crazy is right im gonna buy the m1 3 wood will cost fuck all now cause they brought these out
Hi! I think it would be interesting to see how you explore the Y-track. Spin vs forgiveness and if its kind of a balance point between the two somewhere there or how it works. And the follow up question: is it nearer M4 with the Y-track weights in the back?
Time to get a cheaper m2
millzdieta it didn't drop in price
Sure if you know your shaft.
Hey Rick, I’d like to see you do the in-depth test with both Rob and yourself hitting these drivers. It would be interesting to see if the new tech helped both the better golfer and mid-handicapper alike or favoured one of you. Possibly even get a high handicapper in to hit as well, I’m sure one of your students would jump at the opportunity.
You should do a 2017 M2 vs. 2018 M4 video
Would love to see you test these clubs with your fitted driver shaft. Then it would be a fair comparison to what you have now. As you know being fitted is key. The m3 looks good. Interesting weight ports. Can’t wait to see you fully test these. Definitely hit them off the toe and heal. That’s what they advertise is the difference. Good lucky and enjoy and keep rocking the videos.
Like the new format. Drivers look good also
Thanks Rick. Would definitely love to see more insights on the effects of the Twist face when the club either matches the swing path or points the opposite direction to what TM have designed for.
You can give Mark Crossfield a loan of the clubs after your done
amadan34 Rick might risk getting blacklisted by TM then. He should stick to doing his thing. Obviously it’s working as he’s surpassed MC on subscribers.
we just want to share the love
I would like to see a mid or high handicap player use these drivers. Interested to see the affect with out to in swing path which is probably the most common swing fault in this handicap range.
I like the new format, thanks Rick!
Can you do a forgivenging test on the m4
I'd like to see a Krank formula 7 review. Any chance of that happening?
Rick I would love to see u bring in people with a tendency of striking the ball in low heel or high toe and see how the twist face works with the high to and low heel strikes
Rick could you please test the workability ie: Hitting a draw or fade with the M3 & M4 Drivers.The Twisted Face Technology would surely work against this.
jeff harrington if your planning to “work” a shot based off a mis hit then youre setting yourself up for failure because no mis hit will perform identically. Workability should only be measured on solid strikes.
Love the new way you will conduct reviews. I am more interested on the twist face. I myself have the tendency to miss toe with closed face and pull shoots.
Bmw Taylormade Driver
Love your channel Rick. You present rather natural in front of the camera and you express your reviews in a a manner that is enjoyable for the audience. Keep it up! I would only comment to increase the number of hits with each club. Maybe also announce at the start of the year what standard shaft, grip size and lie you will test with? No idea if that's possible.... Love your work mate
Don't like the new format, just seems like a way to stretch content across multiple videos.. I want all the info in one video (overview, feel, numbers) then a additional video for all the "extra stuff"
lol Except I, and many more like me can vote with our views, likes, and subscriptions. I'm pretty sure Rick appreciates feedback from his subscribers. Oh and don't sell yourself short maybe one day you'll get that blonde, unless you never try. I'm more of a brunette guy myself.
Great work Rick! I love that you tested the m3 with its original shaft and not the rogue! I would love to see you hit the m4 with the atmos!
Jeez not another load of drivers from TM, what is better now, an extra 650 yards, zero spin laser guided ball control FFS
TalkyMcTalkFace can i ask if you're a callaway fan? Because they are exactly the same
Your just a hater bro
Zero spin would be pretty bad for ball flight.
Exactly... Funny thing is, people buy em..
Your a idiot ... Quit plaing golf and go away hater
Maybe it's just me but your R15 430 drive was one of your most impressive performances I can remember. And I couldn't find anything worth replacing my R15 430. It just feels heavenly. The distances and the dispersions from all the other drivers are pretty much the same cuz it's mostly me and my swing. The closest I have gotten to the feel I liked was Epic Sub Zero. I guess my R15 430 with B. Asha shaft is not going anywhere anytime soon.
Please test twist face to its limits all across the face. Because right when I saw them a couple months ago I thought eww those are really ugly. If it works then I might go try them out.
I agree. Test the twist face! I would have to say the M4 looks better than the 2017 M2 though. The 2016 M2 might be the best looking out of the bunch. Love the black and gold combo.
Good honest impartial review Rick, which is more the way your reviews are going. Please stay neutral and avoid a club, brand deal if you can. I'd like you to do a GC 2 face test and basically compare the open / closed strikes. Also I think we now need more 40-50 shot tests rather than 5-10. Maybe put it up against the M1/M2 and do a dispersion test?
Fan of the channel but think a better review would show you playing it on the course
This will be coming Braeden!
Another channel started doing on course testing awhile ago.. you can guarantee this channel follows... buggy time 😂🤦🏼♂️
Topbloke Golf Vlogs please don’t start stalking me also you weirdo
yeah he tested some woods. Crossfield tests every club on the course these days. Hence why his reviews are better.
Topbloke Golf Vlogs the main reason mark tests on course is to show how much moveable weights etc that change RPMs by a few hundred has virtually no effect when out on a course you’ve got hot days, cold days, wind, hitting a downslope, upslope, roll etc. Everyone is worried about spin rates and getting help for off centred hits when we should be getting fit for clubs we can actually game ie. can you hit a low draw/low fade when you’re into a wind
Great video Rick! Was a little surprised by the dispersion of your shots, maybe twist face amplifies the miss hits that don't match it's designed clubhead orientations? Closed on high toe and open on low heel?
Come on Rick, be brave and just say it's all marketing b*llshit and admit that despite what Taylormade want us to believe these clubs perform (when correctly custom fit) exactly the same as previous models and exactly the same as drivers from other manufacturers. You'll get far more respect from your viewers.
This an addition to my original comment. On testing. I would like to see a direct comparison between M1 and M3 Fade and Draw settings. My concern is that on the M1, you could have the center forward or back, and still adjust the fade or draw. On the M3, you either have the weights forward, or you have 1 forward, one fade or draw. But the fade or draw now comes at the back of the head, not the front. This has to have an impact on the head twisting different.
You are wise to not accept equipment endorsements since you review equipment! What was Mark thinking!? lol
Steven Hensley what about clothing endorsements? I know they don’t often review clothing but no one bothers about that
Cornwall1888 That's exactly why I specified equipment. Rick was very smart to sign with Nike since they quit making equipment. Mark was very foolish.
Steven Hensley mark is with under armour, Pete is moving from galvin green to somewhere else
Marks message has always been the same, modern equipment from big manufacturers is good but it’s up to you to get fit and hit it properly
When was the last time a club review surprised you, you can basically tell what it’s going to do before reviewers even hit it
Cornwall1888 Wrong. His message definitely is not always the same. That would be an insult to his reviews. He goes into great detail of sound, feel, his opinion on the looks, ball flight, turf interaction etc.
Steven Hensley all of that is subjective and different with every player
Which was the last club that got a poor review or a club that blew your expectations out of the water
I know mark was getting good numbers with the epic driver, one of the few reviews which shows a club that stood out from the pack
Hi Rick! Loving the new format for testing! I've seen a couple other RUclipsrs testing out M3 & M4 and everyone seems to be talking about how ball flight returns to center on off-hits. How will this play into different wind conditions?
Really like the new format and brilliant explanation of twist face! As someone currently looking for a new driver this is great content 👍
Rick, I would love to see you do a review on Cleveland launcher hb irons. I know they're not a traditional iron but I think they would make the game a lot more fun for the average golfer. Thank you
Thanks rick for all.New to golf, could not have had as much fun without all the great instruction.Looking forward to the new year. cheers
Not sure that I'm sold on the driver/s... But looking forward to the new review format. I'd like to see some shaft reviews this year. I feel that the heads are pretty much at the limit of the usga but if there's anything to gain, gotta be in the shaft technology and fitting. Thanks, Rick!
That's the first review I've seen that isn't glowing praise for them both, so I'm very pleased to see that. I often wonder whether other reviewers edit out their worst shots, but not Rick, otherwise the videos would be very short :-P . Only pulling your leg Rick. Great vid.
Big Big test would be a direct comparison between the M3 and M4 vs the M1 and M2 but with maybe yourself and someone around the 14-18 handicap to test that face out fully! Love the new format and the little things such as price are a big plus :) happy new year!
Rick, I know the big question people will be asking is if the twist face tech really works and to what degree. That's my main question and it would be nice to see that illustrated in a comparision video not only with last years m1 and m2 but possibley some of the newer drivers that have been released from other companies. It would also be nice to see that data compiled over a couple different occasions, not only to see if the tech works but to see if it stays consistent with the swing changes that different days sometimes bring. Thanks man. I tried to talk my wife into spending our vacation money this year on the golf camp at lumine but I don't think that's goIng to happen. You could make it a lot easier by setting up a camp in the states!
Rick, please test more if that high toe shot does bring it back or if it is going to push further right and not bring it back if face is open !!!
Love the new intro to the clubs! Would have loved to see some initial spin numbers though. Looking forward to the next vid!
This is a great review. Can't wait to see further tests in a few weeks!
As you typically do, test these vs the other OEM’s. PING, Callaway etc. Those tests are the most informative.
Test the weight track and heel and toe strikes, also compare to last year’s model. Loving the new review process!
Rick test the M3 with all different weight positions also try both with all different loft settings. Thanks Ed
Well done with this Rick, very comprehensive review. The amount of work and effort shines through, Cheers and Happy New Year!
looking forward to getting into the bones of the m4,just got the m2,so nxt year prob be looking at this club love the new feel of the content rick keep up the hard work .
Hey Rick, can you please test the difference between the weights all the way forward, and all the way back in the M3. Keep up the great work!
Unlike the world of racing which has long believed in win on Sunday sell on Monday that hasn't been the case with golf. For one the majority of players play cavity backed or game improvement irons which the pros even on the senior tour seldom play. That has always appeared to be different. The inference has always been you can buy the same driver the pro's have, and the same putter the pro's have and you can get custom fit (especially if you live here in So. Cal).
If you watch the Golf Channel interview at the end of the Sentry Champions in Maui, he did the most racing like sales pitch for the M4 driver you could imagine, crediting his great driving to the new face technology which he had arrived a week early in Hawaii to test.
looking forward to seeing a 20 + handicap, maybe a senior test this club.
Curve Toe and Heel and what happens if the toe is low or heel is high. I'm also curious about how the Y weighting affects a swing in the mean and extreme settings: All upfront, both out, both middle center, so nothing with the weights in the middle positions of the track. Dead center of the club + any outer combination and nothing center with the outer combinations. :) I know how much you love to run the tests and you know how much we love to see the results, so have fun!
Great video, very informative. The M4 has got my atttention.
For me has to be testing the high toe with club face already slightly open and vice versa on the low heel, for someone who delivers their clubface slightly open on a consistent basis this sounds like it could be a killer for any high toe shots
after seeing how far you hit these and watching the 5 years of driver videos what else could they be changing? seems to be a re-branded club year after year imo what's most important is fitting and focusing more on fundamentals rather then hoping a new club will fix an issue for you great review Ricky
LOVE the format Rick! Very good way to improving your channel m8! My favorite channel just went better! Cheers from Sweden!
i currently use the G400 and i think it’s the best looking driver on the market but looking at the M3/4 that silver and black looks really good to me. may have to try it out to convince me to switch....
Test the Y weights more. Face twist is old Cobra technology, so to me that's all hype from T.M. Didn't see much distance variation between the 2 clubs from you but would like to see your 15 handicap hit both. And do some adjusting with the weight tracks at the same time. Great beginning and look fwd to more in depth analysis..