Rick, would love to see how much ball performance changes when having the M3 weights all the way back vs. all the way forward. How much does spin rate change as a result? Do you see the same spin rate changes when hitting draws vs. fades? What are the different settings that you have tinkered that were the most surprising?
Hey Rick, Big Fan! I really enjoy your reviews, but I have a question... how come in your TaylorMade driver videos, the drivers don't talk? Your Biggest Fan, Randy
Proof is in the performance, be interested to see some high toe and low heal shots to see how they compare to last years models. So put them up against their predecessors and see if twist face is just a gimmick to sell more clubs.
This^^^ Compare to the Cobra F8 with Milled Face and Ping G400. Both are billed as very forgiving and very straight. I would like to see strike data as well.
Really hard (virtually impossible) to test heal/toe strikes because if Rick tries to hit them out of the heal/toe he’s going to swing differently and thus you don’t get an accurate representation of what a real heal/toe strike would be...
With the twist in the club face, everything will depend on angles at impact. If a golfer makes contact high on the toe with an open face good luck finding that ball 40 yards to the right, deep in the trees. Same if it's low and heely. Just to the left and probably not as high of a ball flight. Considering the price point, it would make more sense to me, to pay for 4 or 5 driver lessons then buy a driver suited for your new & improved swing.
Absolutely! But companies want you to believe their "new" driver will make you better! How many hits do you make with a driver each round? Approx.14.? Is this driver going to change your 90-100 score? No. But lessons will definitely lower it. At a reduced cost! And you probably could use ladys clubs and score better than you ever did! Its all a marketing ploy. Every year a club or ball has been "improved", so every hacker runs out and buys $50 /dozen balls and still gets poison ivy looking for them in the woods! Buy Deep Woods Off" instead/
That's the first review I've seen that isn't glowing praise for them both, so I'm very pleased to see that. I often wonder whether other reviewers edit out their worst shots, but not Rick, otherwise the videos would be very short :-P . Only pulling your leg Rick. Great vid.
Top job again, Rick. It’s funny you mentioned it but BMW was one of the first things that came to mind for me when I seen the head covers in the background.
Hey Rick, I totally agree with your observation about them looking like something from BMW's M division. I thought exactly the same when I first saw them!
Hi Rick. As changing the loft with the neck usually slightly changes face angle (closed / open) do you think this will further exaggerate the results of the twist face tech?
Agreed. Love to see Rob use the M3 with the weights all the way back and more central to see differences in forgiveness, distance etc. Also have him test the M4 as well and both with his normal flex shaft he uses.
I think it may be more to do with getting Rick to play not only his usual 5 rips but bring the tempo down (speed) to say 90% of normal, then 80%, 70%, and see what's going on with the driver then. Rick hits at something like 112 mph so were could be looking at 100, 90, and 80. All the analysis on what the tech does would be far easier with an Iron Byron - toe hits, heel hits, high and low off the face , and speed of swing. If only we could get that data we might STOP buying clubs?
Best explanation of the twist face I have heard yet. Do you think the new twist face will have any impact on the top tour players in terms of them having to adjust to it or shaping the ball?
Hi Rick, My miss with the M2 driver tends to send the ball to the right. I think this relates to an early extension which is a fault in my swing which l am looking to address this year. I am curious to see if this new driver will correct or reduce the degree of my miss and encourage more consistency ie more shots down the middle or in play instead of OB or in the rough/woods. Thanks, James
I'd like to see a comparison test between the 2016, 2017 and 2018 M drivers with the same shaft. If memory serves me correctly, Rick had much better results with the 2016 versions over the last 2 versions. I'd like to see an updated comparison given that you can still buy the 2016 versions.
Good demo Rick.on the next review, please look at the difference between;1- Draw and fade settings on the M1 being in the front vs the rear on the M32- what's the overall head weight difference due to less weight on the track of the M3I play the M1 set to full draw and med. Curious about the change to the CG at that set up.Thanks.
Jake Weaver agreed. Much more focus needs to be on hitting a fairway, I've snapped drivers for better shots than those. Hit them to a real fairway and judge clubs on that
Maybe it's just me but your R15 430 drive was one of your most impressive performances I can remember. And I couldn't find anything worth replacing my R15 430. It just feels heavenly. The distances and the dispersions from all the other drivers are pretty much the same cuz it's mostly me and my swing. The closest I have gotten to the feel I liked was Epic Sub Zero. I guess my R15 430 with B. Asha shaft is not going anywhere anytime soon.
Nice in depth look. I feel like the Y-track is a step backwards from the T-Track of yesteryear. I want that weight back middle without creating draw or fade bias.
Could you stack the two at the crossroads of the Y-track? Or maybe it's time to move onto the M4. Personally, I think this is actually a better move by Taylormade because it just provides that much more customization. If you want that, then the M1 2016/2017 is for you. This M3 may work better for another. Just opens up the possibilities. But I am with you for most part. I'll let my setup/swing take care of the fade or draw.
Rick loving the new format. Happy new year. Question: can you justify the huge price tag on these clubs and if so do you think they compare in performance to the original M1 and M2. Looking forward to the more in depth review. Good luck for 2018 Rick.
The "Twisted Face"-thing has been around for at least 6 years. Both Cobra and Adams (which BTW Are Owned by TM) did This i 2012. It's all marketing BS!!
Have hade 2 taylormade drivers in the past with adjustable weights. The R7 425 which was my favourite and still today over my R11. Have never felt much assistance from the weight movement to help my natural draw, which of the new drivers out the M3 or M4 would you recommend.
I think the twist face will be a lot more beneficial for higher handicapped golfers. But every year we're introduced to a new "game changing" technology, last year was "Jailbreak", and now its Twist Face
cgasucks I guess so but the shots he hit in this video were quite bad and no matter what tech youve got it wouldn't have stopped the balls hooking or slicing
The Twist Face in intriguing. I'm the type willing to sacrifice a little bit of yardarge for optimized consistency and forgiveness. So far, I've been leaning toward a fitting on the Titleist 917 D2 (not my favorite looker, but I'm looking to be the best in my group everytime)). Sounds like the most dialed in, catered to you driver than most, with the misses being less big. Definately considering the M2's and the M4. Or an M1/M3 if I plan to have it long-term to adjust to my swing. Can you test missing off of the sweet spot with the M4 460 on toe and heel, and also the sweet spot? Can you test on the M3 460 standard position, one weight full Draw with the front weight at standard position for draw/fade, and then one with the fade? Intriguing stuff. Then we can get a feel really what most shots may look like. Honestly I really like the looks of these. Sleek, modern. And like you said, balanced. I think it has the mean look you've mentioned with some of the Ping drivers. Love the videos, Rick. Cheers!
Thanks for review, but if your miss is right and you hit it with an open face on the toe? Wouldn’t that make you slice it? If your miss is a pull and you hit it with a close face on the heel, wouldn’t that make you hook it more?
It makes sense though. A toe strike will typically result in lower spin and a heel strike will typically result in high spin. By twisting the face like that, a heel strike ball will launch lower and a toe strike will launch higher. That sure will help with optimal distance. The higher the launch, the lower the spin has to be. The lower the launch, the higher the spin has to be.
Kevin Lu l Storm Chasing ha ha ha ha you've been sucked in , it won't make a shread of difference. No technology can fix a bad swing / shot. All a big marketing ploy!!
+mike hunt - True that no club can fix a bad swing and lessons are better than clubs. However, there is a reason our golf club has a bulged curve. It helps with the gear effect. So is the twisted face. But I am skeptical it is going to help low handicap golfers
Yes, please do an in-depth test on where the ball actually goes when hitting off-center. Somehow "Gear effect" started way back with Persimmon heads being convex to bring off-center hits back to centerline. And also if the weight movement actually does anything. I believe the weights on the back will have more influence on ball spin than the old SLDR style weight on the front. Back in the 90's we used to experiment with lead tape and found that putting tape on the back edge of the heel created a draw and on the back edge of the toe created a fade. Thanks Rick!
amadan34 Rick might risk getting blacklisted by TM then. He should stick to doing his thing. Obviously it’s working as he’s surpassed MC on subscribers.
Hi Rick, I'm a huge fan of yours. I actually work at a golf store and watch all of your reviews to learn about the technologies and performance of new clubs that come out. During your testing, I wouldn't mind seeing what would happen if the two weights in the M3 were set all the way back to draw and fade. Just from eyeballing it, it looks like the track for the weights extends slightly more towards the toe which would lead me to believe that if both weights are all the way back their would be a slight fade bias. I would definitely be interested to see that if you have time during your testing period.
I think in all your driver tests you need to test with the shaft that comes with the driver. As this is the shaft that you will get fitted for if you go to purchase. It may have some bearing on whether it is worth paying the extra for the M3. You should have also done this on your 5 year driver tests to see if it’s shaft technology that is helping newer clubs go further or not.
Please test twist face to its limits all across the face. Because right when I saw them a couple months ago I thought eww those are really ugly. If it works then I might go try them out.
I agree. Test the twist face! I would have to say the M4 looks better than the 2017 M2 though. The 2016 M2 might be the best looking out of the bunch. Love the black and gold combo.
Hi Rick, thanks for the great info! One thing I can't find any info on comparing the M3 -M4; which has a deeper face? In the video it almost looks like M4 is a little deeper. I have an M3 and it measures 2.125 inches (5.39 cm) from bottom to paint line. Does the M4 measure to a deeper face? Thanks so much for all your efforts to help guide us!
Rick could you please test the workability ie: Hitting a draw or fade with the M3 & M4 Drivers.The Twisted Face Technology would surely work against this.
jeff harrington if your planning to “work” a shot based off a mis hit then youre setting yourself up for failure because no mis hit will perform identically. Workability should only be measured on solid strikes.
Hey Rick... would be good to know how the M3 and M4 fare in distance VS other drivers like the Callaway Epic or other drivers ? For players who are fairly straight anyways the question would be - do I lose any distance by shifting to the twistface tech or would its forgiveness allow one to increase swing speed and thus add distance ?
Topbloke Golf Vlogs the main reason mark tests on course is to show how much moveable weights etc that change RPMs by a few hundred has virtually no effect when out on a course you’ve got hot days, cold days, wind, hitting a downslope, upslope, roll etc. Everyone is worried about spin rates and getting help for off centred hits when we should be getting fit for clubs we can actually game ie. can you hit a low draw/low fade when you’re into a wind
Love your channel Rick. You present rather natural in front of the camera and you express your reviews in a a manner that is enjoyable for the audience. Keep it up! I would only comment to increase the number of hits with each club. Maybe also announce at the start of the year what standard shaft, grip size and lie you will test with? No idea if that's possible.... Love your work mate
Don't like the new format, just seems like a way to stretch content across multiple videos.. I want all the info in one video (overview, feel, numbers) then a additional video for all the "extra stuff"
lol Except I, and many more like me can vote with our views, likes, and subscriptions. I'm pretty sure Rick appreciates feedback from his subscribers. Oh and don't sell yourself short maybe one day you'll get that blonde, unless you never try. I'm more of a brunette guy myself.
I am not a statistician but how can you optimize the position of the Y slot weights without using design of experiments which is not easy to do ? Also because our swing keep changing, changing the weights position today to compensate for a poor rotation today might not work tomorrow when you are more relax and the temperature is warmer. All this to say that it might be best to keep the driver constant and find the correct swing. As for the twisted face a push on the high toe will go more right so I will keep the regular face on my Ping .
Hey rick do you think that the smaller version of the M3 will make a difference on the face twist or I should say do you think the twist will be less then compared to the 460 head and do you think the reason company uses stock shafts of because they think they are best for the club or best for a cheap shaft they can put in and make more profit?
Come on Rick, be brave and just say it's all marketing b*llshit and admit that despite what Taylormade want us to believe these clubs perform (when correctly custom fit) exactly the same as previous models and exactly the same as drivers from other manufacturers. You'll get far more respect from your viewers.
Rick, Can you do a comparison between the M3/M4 and last years Epic sub Zero? I noticed the different ball flights in this video and the one you did last year for the epic. Thanks. Would like to see what your results are.
Steven Hensley mark is with under armour, Pete is moving from galvin green to somewhere else Marks message has always been the same, modern equipment from big manufacturers is good but it’s up to you to get fit and hit it properly When was the last time a club review surprised you, you can basically tell what it’s going to do before reviewers even hit it
Cornwall1888 Wrong. His message definitely is not always the same. That would be an insult to his reviews. He goes into great detail of sound, feel, his opinion on the looks, ball flight, turf interaction etc.
Steven Hensley all of that is subjective and different with every player Which was the last club that got a poor review or a club that blew your expectations out of the water I know mark was getting good numbers with the epic driver, one of the few reviews which shows a club that stood out from the pack
Hey Rick, I have a tendency to slice the ball, im right handed. I am looking forward to see if any of the two with the twist face technology may give me more forgiveness. Can you test to see which one is more forgiving? In the aspect of slicing the ball
I actually commented on Pete's video about the Cobra connection just before watching this. Every Cobra driver since 2011 has had their E9 face which is made to counter the strike pattern which Taylormade have "discovered" in 2017.
Does changing one weight to the toe or heel effect spin? I currently play the m1 2017 with the back weight forward and the other weight slightly in the toe but with that toe weight further back could it effect the spin and make it increase or will the toe strike and weight back balance out the spin? Would love to see that tested if possible.
Love to see how far you get these once you dialed the in, especially compared to the M1-M2. Looking for a new driver in the Spring. Thanks for your time putting these together. I think shorter first look reviews would be helpful. Seems these are as long as you old full club review videos. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Rick. Would definitely love to see more insights on the effects of the Twist face when the club either matches the swing path or points the opposite direction to what TM have designed for.
Commenting without googling 1st so could well be wrong, but I think the Cobra tech you mentioned was called E9, something about having 9 sweetspots on the face, they were higher on toe and lower on heel as well.
Hi Rick, I have found that being short and the lie angle of the new drivers being quite upright, I was also hitting on the toe. I have found that if I address the ball with the tee on the heel the ball is now connected in the centre, Hope it makes sense to you. A great Channel.....Thanks.
Test the Y weights more. Face twist is old Cobra technology, so to me that's all hype from T.M. Didn't see much distance variation between the 2 clubs from you but would like to see your 15 handicap hit both. And do some adjusting with the weight tracks at the same time. Great beginning and look fwd to more in depth analysis..
Happy new year rick! New reviewing system off to a good start! Excited to see the in-depth review coming soon. Seeing as how face-twist is the major “breakthrough” TM are hyping, I’d love to see a detailed, over-time, test results showing clubhead data where you struck it out of the heel/toe sections. The day to day differences, if any, are what I’m most interested in seeing w/ your in-depth reviews. Not to be mean, but I’m also particularly interested in seeing how these (and all new clubs) perform during days you KNOW you’re hitting it poorly. Dunno if they’d be down to show it on camera but maybe if some of ur lessons who are really struggling w/ their swing took a few shots, we as viewers would actually benefit from seeing a more real-life (ie crap days) type test results.
Thank You! The test is interesting, but would like to know more on the test of twist face. Plus, want to say your videos are awesome and i’m from here in the U. S. Texas. Also, can you have your buddy mid-handicap give it a go on the test? He helps a person like myself when picking out clubs.
Hi Rick, One of the best golf reviews I saw you do was when you tested the Cobra Fly Z and the Fly Z +. You were getting some incredible results with the Fly Z+. I think if you could do a comparison video with one of those drivers and the M3 / M4, you could measure the results of the Cobra with a non twist face and the new Taylormade drivers with the twist face. Would like to see that. :)
Rick, would love to see how much ball performance changes when having the M3 weights all the way back vs. all the way forward. How much does spin rate change as a result? Do you see the same spin rate changes when hitting draws vs. fades? What are the different settings that you have tinkered that were the most surprising?
Hey Rick,
Big Fan! I really enjoy your reviews, but I have a question... how come in your TaylorMade driver videos, the drivers don't talk?
Your Biggest Fan,
Randy
Fried Eggs Golf and Rick why not wearing a fried eggs shirt during the review😜👍🏽
That’s a fair criticism. What’s up with that?
... or fight 😂😂😂
Fried Eggs Golf you got too much time in your hands, make videos
Randy you legend! Hope you have a great 2018 and maybe get a few cameos with Rick, Pete and the lads!
Proof is in the performance, be interested to see some high toe and low heal shots to see how they compare to last years models. So put them up against their predecessors and see if twist face is just a gimmick to sell more clubs.
This^^^ Compare to the Cobra F8 with Milled Face and Ping G400. Both are billed as very forgiving and very straight. I would like to see strike data as well.
Really hard (virtually impossible) to test heal/toe strikes because if Rick tries to hit them out of the heal/toe he’s going to swing differently and thus you don’t get an accurate representation of what a real heal/toe strike would be...
David Fletcher i
Thanks rick for all.New to golf, could not have had as much fun without all the great instruction.Looking forward to the new year. cheers
The best first-look-review you have ever done! Please compare it to the old m1,m2 with some gc quad data. Maybe test Y track against old T track!
Get someone good to hit the shots 😒😒💤
With the twist in the club face, everything will depend on angles at impact. If a golfer makes contact high on the toe with an open face good luck finding that ball 40 yards to the right, deep in the trees. Same if it's low and heely. Just to the left and probably not as high of a ball flight. Considering the price point, it would make more sense to me, to pay for 4 or 5 driver lessons then buy a driver suited for your new & improved swing.
Absolutely! But companies want you to believe their "new" driver will make you better! How many hits do you make with a driver each round? Approx.14.? Is this driver going to change your 90-100 score? No. But lessons will definitely lower it. At a reduced cost! And you probably could use ladys clubs and score better than you ever did! Its all a marketing ploy. Every year a club or ball has been "improved", so every hacker runs out and buys $50 /dozen balls and still gets poison ivy looking for them in the woods! Buy Deep Woods Off" instead/
Love the new format of testing Rick more in depth and detailed. Keep up the amazing work. Cheers
Back to back: M1 versus M3 and M2 versus M4 would answer my questions..... thanks Rick 👍🏼
Now I can finally afford the m1 thanks m3 and m4
Justin Aaberg you read my mind! I liked the M2. Now I can pick one up for a 30% discount! I love it when TM releases a “new” club every 6 months!
M1 is a better driver than m3 and m5 imo especially for distance
Now M3 is 60% off !
That's the first review I've seen that isn't glowing praise for them both, so I'm very pleased to see that. I often wonder whether other reviewers edit out their worst shots, but not Rick, otherwise the videos would be very short :-P . Only pulling your leg Rick. Great vid.
I'd like to see the m4 put up against the 2016 m2 driver as I'm in two minds to buy the new m4 or go with the older m2. Great review as always.
Top job again, Rick. It’s funny you mentioned it but BMW was one of the first things that came to mind for me when I seen the head covers in the background.
...agreed.
Looks like a BMW product.
The m on the bottom of the driver was the 1st thing that made me think of the bmw m badge. Agreed
BMW was the first thing I thought as well! Sounds like they may be just as fast!
Their nearly the same price as a BMW,not for me I'll wait for the M5 and M6 coming out in March👎
Gonna get a set when it comes out to match my 2018 M3 lol
Hey Rick, I totally agree with your observation about them looking like something from BMW's M division. I thought exactly the same when I first saw them!
Surely BMW will have something to say about this as well.
BMW have refused to send a badge to test it against.
Hi Rick. As changing the loft with the neck usually slightly changes face angle (closed / open) do you think this will further exaggerate the results of the twist face tech?
Is like to see Rob use it. A more average strike and see if it helps his game
Chris_h _ Great idea.Bring on Robbo
Agreed. Love to see Rob use the M3 with the weights all the way back and more central to see differences in forgiveness, distance etc. Also have him test the M4 as well and both with his normal flex shaft he uses.
Agreed.
I think it may be more to do with getting Rick to play not only his usual 5 rips but bring the tempo down (speed) to say 90% of normal, then 80%, 70%, and see what's going on with the driver then. Rick hits at something like 112 mph so were could be looking at 100, 90, and 80. All the analysis on what the tech does would be far easier with an Iron Byron - toe hits, heel hits, high and low off the face , and speed of swing. If only we could get that data we might STOP buying clubs?
Hi Rick so how should i set up my m3 for the low heel ball strike ? Cheers
Best explanation of the twist face I have heard yet. Do you think the new twist face will have any impact on the top tour players in terms of them having to adjust to it or shaping the ball?
Matthew McBride they’ll prob have their own versions made with a flat face
Absolutely not. All marketing.
Hi Rick,
My miss with the M2 driver tends to send the ball to the right. I think this relates to an early extension which is a fault in my swing which l am looking to address this year. I am curious to see if this new driver will correct or reduce the degree of my miss and encourage more consistency ie more shots down the middle or in play instead of OB or in the rough/woods.
Thanks,
James
Please compare the M2 against the M4
I'd like to see a comparison test between the 2016, 2017 and 2018 M drivers with the same shaft. If memory serves me correctly, Rick had much better results with the 2016 versions over the last 2 versions. I'd like to see an updated comparison given that you can still buy the 2016 versions.
As Shania Twain says "that don't impress me much"
Dave Parry that won't keep you warm in the middle of the night
She also said, ''I feel like a woman''
You check out Cobra's F-series drivers. They are fantastic.
Hi Rick just wondering what length is the stock shaft taylormade usually 45.75 inches and is this a important factor thanks
Noooooo!!!!!! I want you to review the Mizuno st-180 you said the review was coming soon.
Good demo Rick.on the next review, please look at the difference between;1- Draw and fade settings on the M1 being in the front vs the rear on the M32- what's the overall head weight difference due to less weight on the track of the M3I play the M1 set to full draw and med. Curious about the change to the CG at that set up.Thanks.
Wow, those were 10 of the wildest shots I've ever seen you hit.
I'd really like to see you track your dispersion with these vs your gamer.
Jake Weaver agreed. Much more focus needs to be on hitting a fairway, I've snapped drivers for better shots than those. Hit them to a real fairway and judge clubs on that
Maybe it's just me but your R15 430 drive was one of your most impressive performances I can remember. And I couldn't find anything worth replacing my R15 430. It just feels heavenly. The distances and the dispersions from all the other drivers are pretty much the same cuz it's mostly me and my swing. The closest I have gotten to the feel I liked was Epic Sub Zero. I guess my R15 430 with B. Asha shaft is not going anywhere anytime soon.
Love to see the m4 up against the m2
They’d perform identically
Adams Snapworld Maybe, maybe not.. which is why I'd love to see the m4 up against the m2 (which I currently have in the bag)
M2 quicker around the track man.. lol
Nice in depth look.
I feel like the Y-track is a step backwards from the T-Track of yesteryear. I want that weight back middle without creating draw or fade bias.
Could you stack the two at the crossroads of the Y-track? Or maybe it's time to move onto the M4. Personally, I think this is actually a better move by Taylormade because it just provides that much more customization. If you want that, then the M1 2016/2017 is for you. This M3 may work better for another. Just opens up the possibilities. But I am with you for most part. I'll let my setup/swing take care of the fade or draw.
Rick loving the new format. Happy new year. Question: can you justify the huge price tag on these clubs and if so do you think they compare in performance to the original M1 and M2.
Looking forward to the more in depth review. Good luck for 2018 Rick.
All the best to you too! Hopefully some of these questions will be answered soon!
i'd like to see your reviews compare the m1/m3 and m2/m4 and not just the new versions on their own.
LOVE the format Rick! Very good way to improving your channel m8! My favorite channel just went better! Cheers from Sweden!
The "Twisted Face"-thing has been around for at least 6 years. Both Cobra and Adams (which BTW Are Owned by TM) did This i 2012.
It's all marketing BS!!
Pretty sure Puma owns Corba
Great work Rick! I love that you tested the m3 with its original shaft and not the rogue! I would love to see you hit the m4 with the atmos!
Nice review,but what does Crossfield think?!
Who cares, Crossfield is a boring child...
Have hade 2 taylormade drivers in the past with adjustable weights. The R7 425 which was my favourite and still today over my R11. Have never felt much assistance from the weight movement to help my natural draw, which of the new drivers out the M3 or M4 would you recommend.
Send them over to Mark.
Squizzy Bollock mark isn’t bothered about it, he explained that in a 20 minute video going on and on about taylormade
How will the twist face affect if i hit the Ball a bit from over the top?
From those 10 shots I've just watched you hit.......I didn't think that twist face tech worked at all.
agree
Agreed, half the shots would be OB on any form of tight hole.
For a pro like Sheils who hits it in the center of the face more often, the twist face tech won't benefit him the slightest.
I think the twist face will be a lot more beneficial for higher handicapped golfers. But every year we're introduced to a new "game changing" technology, last year was "Jailbreak", and now its Twist Face
cgasucks I guess so but the shots he hit in this video were quite bad and no matter what tech youve got it wouldn't have stopped the balls hooking or slicing
The Twist Face in intriguing. I'm the type willing to sacrifice a little bit of yardarge for optimized consistency and forgiveness. So far, I've been leaning toward a fitting on the Titleist 917 D2 (not my favorite looker, but I'm looking to be the best in my group everytime)). Sounds like the most dialed in, catered to you driver than most, with the misses being less big. Definately considering the M2's and the M4. Or an M1/M3 if I plan to have it long-term to adjust to my swing. Can you test missing off of the sweet spot with the M4 460 on toe and heel, and also the sweet spot? Can you test on the M3 460 standard position, one weight full Draw with the front weight at standard position for draw/fade, and then one with the fade? Intriguing stuff. Then we can get a feel really what most shots may look like. Honestly I really like the looks of these. Sleek, modern. And like you said, balanced. I think it has the mean look you've mentioned with some of the Ping drivers. Love the videos, Rick. Cheers!
Time to get a cheaper m2
millzdieta it didn't drop in price
Sure if you know your shaft.
Really like the new shot from behind and actually seeing your shot. Great work Rick!!
Workability, especially with the twist face.
I want to know more about the twist face? The open toe shot is the driver more wild than previous models?
Can you do a forgivenging test on the m4
I'd like to see a Krank formula 7 review. Any chance of that happening?
I would be interested in finding out if the weights in the M3 do anything
Loved this review. Like your new idea for testing products! 👍🏻
Cheers Kyle!
Thanks for review, but if your miss is right and you hit it with an open face on the toe? Wouldn’t that make you slice it? If your miss is a pull and you hit it with a close face on the heel, wouldn’t that make you hook it more?
Twist face 😂😂😂😂😂😂
What a load of absolute B/S
Typical taylormade guff
It makes sense though. A toe strike will typically result in lower spin and a heel strike will typically result in high spin. By twisting the face like that, a heel strike ball will launch lower and a toe strike will launch higher. That sure will help with optimal distance. The higher the launch, the lower the spin has to be. The lower the launch, the higher the spin has to be.
Kevin Lu l Storm Chasing ha ha ha ha you've been sucked in , it won't make a shread of difference. No technology can fix a bad swing / shot. All a big marketing ploy!!
+mike hunt - True that no club can fix a bad swing and lessons are better than clubs. However, there is a reason our golf club has a bulged curve. It helps with the gear effect. So is the twisted face. But I am skeptical it is going to help low handicap golfers
😂😂 You may very well be right!
Yes, please do an in-depth test on where the ball actually goes when hitting off-center. Somehow "Gear effect" started way back with Persimmon heads being convex to bring off-center hits back to centerline. And also if the weight movement actually does anything. I believe the weights on the back will have more influence on ball spin than the old SLDR style weight on the front. Back in the 90's we used to experiment with lead tape and found that putting tape on the back edge of the heel created a draw and on the back edge of the toe created a fade. Thanks Rick!
You can give Mark Crossfield a loan of the clubs after your done
amadan34 Rick might risk getting blacklisted by TM then. He should stick to doing his thing. Obviously it’s working as he’s surpassed MC on subscribers.
we just want to share the love
Hi Rick,
I'm a huge fan of yours. I actually work at a golf store and watch all of your reviews to learn about the technologies and performance of new clubs that come out.
During your testing, I wouldn't mind seeing what would happen if the two weights in the M3 were set all the way back to draw and fade. Just from eyeballing it, it looks like the track for the weights extends slightly more towards the toe which would lead me to believe that if both weights are all the way back their would be a slight fade bias. I would definitely be interested to see that if you have time during your testing period.
Jeez not another load of drivers from TM, what is better now, an extra 650 yards, zero spin laser guided ball control FFS
TalkyMcTalkFace can i ask if you're a callaway fan? Because they are exactly the same
Your just a hater bro
Zero spin would be pretty bad for ball flight.
Exactly... Funny thing is, people buy em..
Your a idiot ... Quit plaing golf and go away hater
I think in all your driver tests you need to test with the shaft that comes with the driver. As this is the shaft that you will get fitted for if you go to purchase. It may have some bearing on whether it is worth paying the extra for the M3. You should have also done this on your 5 year driver tests to see if it’s shaft technology that is helping newer clubs go further or not.
Please test twist face to its limits all across the face. Because right when I saw them a couple months ago I thought eww those are really ugly. If it works then I might go try them out.
I agree. Test the twist face! I would have to say the M4 looks better than the 2017 M2 though. The 2016 M2 might be the best looking out of the bunch. Love the black and gold combo.
Hi Rick, thanks for the great info! One thing I can't find any info on comparing the M3 -M4; which has a deeper face? In the video it almost looks like M4 is a little deeper. I have an M3 and it measures 2.125 inches (5.39 cm) from bottom to paint line. Does the M4 measure to a deeper face? Thanks so much for all your efforts to help guide us!
Great video rick.
when hit on sweet spot which one is best?
No wonder less people are playing golf ..we them crazy prices..absolute joke
Dean O yeh crazy is right im gonna buy the m1 3 wood will cost fuck all now cause they brought these out
how does the twist face work if you wanna do a power fade or draw ?
Rick could you please test the workability ie: Hitting a draw or fade with the M3 & M4 Drivers.The Twisted Face Technology would surely work against this.
jeff harrington if your planning to “work” a shot based off a mis hit then youre setting yourself up for failure because no mis hit will perform identically. Workability should only be measured on solid strikes.
Hey Rick... would be good to know how the M3 and M4 fare in distance VS other drivers like the Callaway Epic or other drivers ? For players who are fairly straight anyways the question would be - do I lose any distance by shifting to the twistface tech or would its forgiveness allow one to increase swing speed and thus add distance ?
Fan of the channel but think a better review would show you playing it on the course
This will be coming Braeden!
Another channel started doing on course testing awhile ago.. you can guarantee this channel follows... buggy time 😂🤦🏼♂️
Topbloke Golf Vlogs please don’t start stalking me also you weirdo
yeah he tested some woods. Crossfield tests every club on the course these days. Hence why his reviews are better.
Topbloke Golf Vlogs the main reason mark tests on course is to show how much moveable weights etc that change RPMs by a few hundred has virtually no effect when out on a course you’ve got hot days, cold days, wind, hitting a downslope, upslope, roll etc. Everyone is worried about spin rates and getting help for off centred hits when we should be getting fit for clubs we can actually game ie. can you hit a low draw/low fade when you’re into a wind
This is a great review. Can't wait to see further tests in a few weeks!
You should do a 2017 M2 vs. 2018 M4 video
Does the new Y track system allow you to shape shots better with the twist face over the 2017 M1 or is it harder because of the twist face.
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Love your channel Rick. You present rather natural in front of the camera and you express your reviews in a a manner that is enjoyable for the audience. Keep it up! I would only comment to increase the number of hits with each club. Maybe also announce at the start of the year what standard shaft, grip size and lie you will test with? No idea if that's possible.... Love your work mate
Don't like the new format, just seems like a way to stretch content across multiple videos.. I want all the info in one video (overview, feel, numbers) then a additional video for all the "extra stuff"
lol Except I, and many more like me can vote with our views, likes, and subscriptions. I'm pretty sure Rick appreciates feedback from his subscribers. Oh and don't sell yourself short maybe one day you'll get that blonde, unless you never try. I'm more of a brunette guy myself.
I am not a statistician but how can you optimize the position of the Y slot weights without using design of experiments which is not easy to do ? Also because our swing keep changing, changing the weights position today to compensate for a poor rotation today might not work tomorrow when you are more relax and the temperature is warmer. All this to say that it might be best to keep the driver constant and find the correct swing. As for the twisted face a push on the high toe will go more right so I will keep the regular face on my Ping .
Like the new format. Drivers look good also
Hey rick do you think that the smaller version of the M3 will make a difference on the face twist or I should say do you think the twist will be less then compared to the 460 head and do you think the reason company uses stock shafts of because they think they are best for the club or best for a cheap shaft they can put in and make more profit?
Come on Rick, be brave and just say it's all marketing b*llshit and admit that despite what Taylormade want us to believe these clubs perform (when correctly custom fit) exactly the same as previous models and exactly the same as drivers from other manufacturers. You'll get far more respect from your viewers.
Rick, Can you do a comparison between the M3/M4 and last years Epic sub Zero? I noticed the different ball flights in this video and the one you did last year for the epic. Thanks. Would like to see what your results are.
You are wise to not accept equipment endorsements since you review equipment! What was Mark thinking!? lol
Steven Hensley what about clothing endorsements? I know they don’t often review clothing but no one bothers about that
Cornwall1888 That's exactly why I specified equipment. Rick was very smart to sign with Nike since they quit making equipment. Mark was very foolish.
Steven Hensley mark is with under armour, Pete is moving from galvin green to somewhere else
Marks message has always been the same, modern equipment from big manufacturers is good but it’s up to you to get fit and hit it properly
When was the last time a club review surprised you, you can basically tell what it’s going to do before reviewers even hit it
Cornwall1888 Wrong. His message definitely is not always the same. That would be an insult to his reviews. He goes into great detail of sound, feel, his opinion on the looks, ball flight, turf interaction etc.
Steven Hensley all of that is subjective and different with every player
Which was the last club that got a poor review or a club that blew your expectations out of the water
I know mark was getting good numbers with the epic driver, one of the few reviews which shows a club that stood out from the pack
Hey Rick, I have a tendency to slice the ball, im right handed. I am looking forward to see if any of the two with the twist face technology may give me more forgiveness. Can you test to see which one is more forgiving? In the aspect of slicing the ball
With adding the hammerhead, does the m3 still produce the same low spin with the weights not as far forwards as the m1?
I actually commented on Pete's video about the Cobra connection just before watching this. Every Cobra driver since 2011 has had their E9 face which is made to counter the strike pattern which Taylormade have "discovered" in 2017.
Rick, Awesome job explaining the properties of these new offerings..... DJ is liking the M4
Love the new intro to the clubs! Would have loved to see some initial spin numbers though. Looking forward to the next vid!
Does changing one weight to the toe or heel effect spin? I currently play the m1 2017 with the back weight forward and the other weight slightly in the toe but with that toe weight further back could it effect the spin and make it increase or will the toe strike and weight back balance out the spin? Would love to see that tested if possible.
Love to see how far you get these once you dialed the in, especially compared to the M1-M2. Looking for a new driver in the Spring. Thanks for your time putting these together. I think shorter first look reviews would be helpful. Seems these are as long as you old full club review videos. Keep up the great work.
which driver is similar to Titlest D3?
Does a toe shot on the face twist help the ball launch higher/lower or left or both.
Hi!
Nice video.
Try the M4 with the Atmos shaft. Use some different weight settings in the M3. Play a few holes with both drivers.
Can you test The Y-track and is it The TWIST FACE working.
Thanks Rick. Would definitely love to see more insights on the effects of the Twist face when the club either matches the swing path or points the opposite direction to what TM have designed for.
In the past TM has provided several shaft options, is that still the case.
Commenting without googling 1st so could well be wrong, but I think the Cobra tech you mentioned was called E9, something about having 9 sweetspots on the face, they were higher on toe and lower on heel as well.
Hi Rick, I have found that being short and the lie angle of the new drivers being quite upright, I was also hitting on the toe. I have found that if I address the ball with the tee on the heel the ball is now connected in the centre, Hope it makes sense to you. A great Channel.....Thanks.
Great review! Is there any way you can test the weight track on the M3?
Hey Rick, does the twist face not confuse the GC Quad and fudge it’s shot track??
Hi Rick, Have you tested the new callaway rogue driver?
I love that you added "real life" view for one shot. More of that please :)
Test the Y weights more. Face twist is old Cobra technology, so to me that's all hype from T.M. Didn't see much distance variation between the 2 clubs from you but would like to see your 15 handicap hit both. And do some adjusting with the weight tracks at the same time. Great beginning and look fwd to more in depth analysis..
Hey Rick have you ever tried both weights on one track on M1 (2017)?
Good video rick I’m intrigued to find out about the weight tracks if my miss is to the right would you recommend the draw bias setting?
Nice review Rick. Keep them coming. Love the channel.
Happy new year rick! New reviewing system off to a good start! Excited to see the in-depth review coming soon. Seeing as how face-twist is the major “breakthrough” TM are hyping, I’d love to see a detailed, over-time, test results showing clubhead data where you struck it out of the heel/toe sections. The day to day differences, if any, are what I’m most interested in seeing w/ your in-depth reviews. Not to be mean, but I’m also particularly interested in seeing how these (and all new clubs) perform during days you KNOW you’re hitting it poorly. Dunno if they’d be down to show it on camera but maybe if some of ur lessons who are really struggling w/ their swing took a few shots, we as viewers would actually benefit from seeing a more real-life (ie crap days) type test results.
Thank You! The test is interesting, but would like to know more on the test of twist face. Plus, want to say your videos are awesome and i’m from here in the U. S. Texas. Also, can you have your buddy mid-handicap give it a go on the test? He helps a person like myself when picking out clubs.
Hi Rick, One of the best golf reviews I saw you do was when you tested the Cobra Fly Z and the Fly Z +. You were getting some incredible results with the Fly Z+. I think if you could do a comparison video with one of those drivers and the M3 / M4, you could measure the results of the Cobra with a non twist face and the new Taylormade drivers with the twist face. Would like to see that. :)
What are the 3 dots you see on the toe and 1 dot on the heal?
They allow the GC Quad shot monitor to record clubface data.