Spider-Man (2018) Review Discussion and Spoilercast | Sacred Symbols+, Episode 338

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  • Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2023
  • Believe it or not, the very first non-mainline episode of Sacred Symbols back in September of 2018 was dedicated to Insomniac's smash-hit PS4-turned-PS5-and-PC game Spider-Man. We were only 10 or so episodes into the main show, Sacred+ didn't even remotely exist yet, and that episode quietly lives here on Patreon still, yes, but buried in the annals of Last Stand past. As such, and in commemoration of Spider-Man 2's imminent launch on PlayStation 5, I (Colin) thought I'd sit down with my brother Dagan -- a newbie to all things Insomniac Spider-Man -- for a trio of episodes of +. This is the first of the bunch, a deep dive into the original game that spawned some meaty DLC packs (which we'll cover in episode two) and an interstitial game that launched alongside PlayStation 5 (which we'll cover in episode three). That makes October a very webby month, which I guess makes some sense, all things considered. So take a trip to NYC with us, where we find a 20-something Peter Parker in yet another sticky situation...
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  • @RumPenguin
    @RumPenguin 9 месяцев назад +19

    As someone who loved using the gadgets i was shocked to hear they were mostly ignored by the boys. The web bomb was so overpowered. Especially during the crimes. Whether it be down an alley or in a store, shoot two bombs in there and boom the encounter is over cause all the enemies were stuck to walls lol

  • @Loopez2284
    @Loopez2284 9 месяцев назад +25

    As someone who replayed Spider-Man on PS5 and completed all DLC's I can't wait for this episode. Also Black Cat 👀

    • @themarcshark
      @themarcshark 9 месяцев назад +4

      I agree Black Cat is a good character

    • @You2oob
      @You2oob 8 месяцев назад +2

      She got that cake@@themarcshark

  • @bdre5555
    @bdre5555 8 месяцев назад +2

    I played a ton of this original spider-man, and currently 20 hours in on Spider-Man 2. I can't imagine doing combat like how Colin is describing. Mixing it up with the different tech abilities, the different powers. That's half the fun. Continuing to mix things up and move, that's the key to succeeding in combat. The punching, the zip to enemy ability, those are just a few tools you should be using. I also like how the abilities and powers are mapped to the shoulder buttons, it gives the combat the same feel as Ragnarok somewhat.

  • @bdre5555
    @bdre5555 8 месяцев назад +3

    Also, doing stealth takedowns is underrated in these games. I'm really loving using stealth in Spider-Man 2. Leaping around to different Ledges or walls from up on high. And it will tell you if a person is safe to stealth attack. I love webbing them up and hanging them from lights, or webbing them to walls. I always try to stealth takedown entire camps, and it's pretty gratifying when you take everyone out without ever having being seen.

    • @BrandonOfJapan
      @BrandonOfJapan 5 месяцев назад

      There's no incentive to stealth which is why I never did it. I had way more fun going in guns blazing, but i like how they DO give you the option to stealth. There's really just no incentive outside of the self gratification.

  • @bdre5555
    @bdre5555 8 месяцев назад +4

    MJ in the original Spider-Man looked great. But she looks completely different in Spider-Man 2, and I have no idea why they changed her looks for the worse. She looked perfect in the original Spider-Man

  • @Stonehorn
    @Stonehorn 9 месяцев назад +13

    Dagan: MJ can’t be a supermodel!
    In fact, MJ was a supermodel, and was never, ever a journalist.

    • @victory7763
      @victory7763 8 месяцев назад +1

      Which one is more interesting? A supermodel or a journalist?

    • @josephgedgaudas2892
      @josephgedgaudas2892 8 месяцев назад +5

      Supermodel. Seems like everyone is a journalist nowadays.

    • @Stonehorn
      @Stonehorn 8 месяцев назад +3

      @@victory7763 definitely supermodel

    • @Heazie
      @Heazie 8 месяцев назад +3

      Supermodel

    • @victory7763
      @victory7763 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@Stonehorn Not surprised by your answer; we live in a superficial world instead of a world of substance. Where people are spending thousands of dollars on cosmetic surgery or steroids.
      People value superficial things over substance all the time. I can't deny that's what's popular unfortunately.

  • @Faztkiller88
    @Faztkiller88 9 месяцев назад +4

    Me and Colin agree so much on everything having to be completed before continuing. I can't beat Witcher 3 or newer Assassins Creed

  • @Nevermindless415
    @Nevermindless415 8 месяцев назад

    Happy that the second game address Colin’s question at 1:26:00

  • @joshfielder7898
    @joshfielder7898 9 месяцев назад +10

    Great episode per usual but you guys forgot to talk about aunt may. I was surprised by the ending, so I was curious what you guys thought about it.

    • @user-dj9iu2et3r
      @user-dj9iu2et3r 9 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah how the hell… do they forget aunt may?

    • @MitchellMiller1
      @MitchellMiller1 8 месяцев назад +1

      They mention Aunt May a second before they talk about MJ, but then I guess they never go back to it? That’s disappointing (I’m still listening). Guess it didn’t really move them or make an impression that much.

    • @gregoryjoslin3173
      @gregoryjoslin3173 8 месяцев назад +2

      Colin didn't see that scene since they filmed before he finished the fight with doc oc. That is disappointing because aunt may scene was really good and I was surprised they killed her off so soon.

  • @bdre5555
    @bdre5555 8 месяцев назад +1

    We freeloaders got a triple helping of Dagan this week! Complete with some Dagan on Dustin action, to finish up the new constellation episode. Embarrassment of riches!

  • @rarodrig6
    @rarodrig6 9 месяцев назад +6

    I loved the Black Cat dlc

  • @kadabur
    @kadabur 9 месяцев назад +8

    I found Greg Miller in the halloween party thing. Surprised not mentioned

    • @ptroit
      @ptroit 8 месяцев назад

      I think maybe he didn't know. It wasn't Greg voicing him, right?

    • @kadabur
      @kadabur 8 месяцев назад

      @@ptroit if i remember correctly it was greg’s voice

    • @ptroit
      @ptroit 8 месяцев назад

      @@kadabur Really? Wonder why they didn't reprise him and Bless then...?

    • @kadabur
      @kadabur 8 месяцев назад

      @@ptroit yea i was surprised about that too

  • @bdre5555
    @bdre5555 8 месяцев назад +1

    I like to play the game similarly to how Colin does. I like to sort of drip seed myself main in Spider-Man 2, but then go explore and do side contents etc for a while. There is just too much to see and experience in this amazing world that Insomniac have created, to just golden path the game. Hell I'm changing outfits on either Peter or miles like every freaking minute haha

  • @ArkhamInmate92
    @ArkhamInmate92 9 месяцев назад +8

    I get this wasn't a Knockback but this episode feels like it needed a dad joke

  • @chknrsandTBBTROX73
    @chknrsandTBBTROX73 8 месяцев назад +2

    Why didn’t Dagan play the best version on PC?

  • @Jumpman67
    @Jumpman67 8 месяцев назад +4

    1:25:00 I think the reason that many of the older comic book characters don't kill is because of the Comics Code in 1954. Parents were freaking out about the popularity of comics and some of them were depicting crazy stuff, for the time. They actually had senate meetings about it and the solution ended up being a sort of "code of conduct" on how comics would be made and what they would depict. I believe some of the restrictions were that they wouldn't show exactly how crimes were committed and govt officials, judges and the like would be shown respectfully. With all of that they really dialed back the violence especially when it came to the protagonists. People forget it now but Batman used to carry a gun and he killed people in his earliest comics. I also think people have romanticized the heroes not having to resort to killing so they just perpetuate it for a lot of the most established characters.

    • @ptroit
      @ptroit 8 месяцев назад +2

      Interesting history on the senate meetings! Reminds me of the Mortal Kombat panic and subsequent congressional hearings of the 90s

  • @StefanoFontana11
    @StefanoFontana11 9 месяцев назад +5

    Them talking about Spiderman not holding back and letting lose makes me think they should read the book when Spidey goes full force on kingpen and almost beats him to death OR when Doc Ock takes over Spideys body and he realizes that every fight ever spiderman has pulled his punches

  • @danielmartinez9933
    @danielmartinez9933 8 месяцев назад

    This series is awesome! I hope you do the Arkham games (including VR) as well!

  • @bdre5555
    @bdre5555 8 месяцев назад

    This will be cool to hear. I really enjoyed playing this on PS4 pro at launch. And I'm also glad I didn't play Miles morales, because I think that's making Spider-Man 2 feel a lot more fresh to me. Spider-Man 2 is tied with Resident Evil 4, for my game of the year.

  • @Stonehorn
    @Stonehorn 9 месяцев назад +28

    Zero Dawn is good. Forbidden west is good. They aren’t nearly as good as Colin pretends they are.

    • @user-dj9iu2et3r
      @user-dj9iu2et3r 9 месяцев назад +3

      Agreed. I think they’re both 8/10 games.

    • @sakuragi1062
      @sakuragi1062 8 месяцев назад +8

      To be fair Colin is not the only one who think that Horizon is better than good the first game got 89 on metacritic and the second game got an 88 and both games nominated for game of the year so its easy to say that the franchise is more than good that you make it out to be.Critics,Sales prove that its more than good not better than any other playstation games but its way more than just good

    • @InfiniteInspirationInc
      @InfiniteInspirationInc 8 месяцев назад +1

      I'm definitely in the camp that thinks Zero Dawn is Playstation's best game. Forbidden West isn't as interesting and the cliffhanger at the end feels a bit too similar to the first game. Still an 8/10 though.
      Maybe I'm a sucker for this particular brand of Sci-Fi, but the world and story remind me so much of some of my favorite things growing up, like Bionicle and Lost. The intrigue is just so good. Gameplay feels great too.

    • @Stonehorn
      @Stonehorn 8 месяцев назад

      @@sakuragi1062 they are just good ubisoft style games, and most people don’t regard them as more than that. GotY nominations don’t change that.

    • @sakuragi1062
      @sakuragi1062 8 месяцев назад

      @@Stonehorn Like i said regardless of how you feel and what you believe if you want to believe that its just a Ubisoft games its fine and if you want to assume that most gamers don’t regard horizon as great its fine too but you cant change the fact that a new ip got an 89 on metacritic and it sold 15 million copies no other Ubisoft games even sell that and nominated for game of the year and compared to Legend Of Zelda Breath of the wild and the sequel got 88 on metacritic and it nominated again for game of the year for the second time.And if you want to disregard game of the year nomination its your choice buddy but i am talking facts here. You cant ignored of the success of Horizon franchise critically wise,Sales wise and nomination wise just because you believe what you want to believe.The game didnt sold 15 million copies if its an average game stop being dumb dude

  • @DanielJ-00
    @DanielJ-00 9 месяцев назад +4

    I’m replaying the first one now and while I’m playing I can’t help but feel like 2 will be such a huge improvement over the little things in 1. I think it’ll be hard to go back to 1 afterwards.

  • @alexlawrence6440
    @alexlawrence6440 9 месяцев назад +2

    Colin 9.99 a month for a sports game would be doubling the price from last gen if ur only buying it once a year. Like the idea but not the price point

  • @AK-bd4xh
    @AK-bd4xh 9 месяцев назад +3

    Fuck yeah! I just finished a replay of spiderman ps5 and now playing miles before next week; perfect timing from Dagan and Colin 🤙

  • @mattj2692
    @mattj2692 9 месяцев назад +2

    Right on time!

  • @smgofdvld
    @smgofdvld 8 месяцев назад +4

    Added this to my favorite games of all time list up there with spider man 1 and 2 enter electro on ps1😅

  • @28_Spokes
    @28_Spokes 8 месяцев назад +1

    Wasn’t much spoilers in this, lol.

  • @willytjr1
    @willytjr1 8 месяцев назад +2

    “You don’t understand- you HAVE to do that.”
    I feel you big dawg

  • @Youngblaise2
    @Youngblaise2 9 месяцев назад +4

    Not many spoilers surprisingly
    Good epsiode guys 😁

  • @rotoninja
    @rotoninja 8 месяцев назад +2

    I liked it when it first came out, but replaying it this year I couldn't finish it. Too much paddiing and MJ/Miles sections.

  • @rainmaker6261
    @rainmaker6261 9 месяцев назад +9

    Mary Jane Watson is a bombshell model in the comics. It is 100 percent true that she was way out of his league. That was the dynamic. Insomniac, like many of the new generation of blue-haired comic writers, clearly were not a fan of this dynamic and rewrote her to be more in line with their vision for the character.
    If you like that, it's totally fine. I'm just baffled why we need to pretend that wasn't a decision that was made at some point by the writers at insomniac. It shouldn't be a point of contention.

    • @victory7763
      @victory7763 8 месяцев назад +2

      There's no "pretending"... many of the folks who are acting like there's something wrong with how MJ looks in the game would be over the moon if someone looking like MJ was interested in them in real life. So no, we aren't pretending anything, I think that MJ is attractive even as someone who's not into red heads
      She's attractive and has red hair, what more do you want?

  • @jailimbani71
    @jailimbani71 8 месяцев назад +2

    Ive been listening to Knockback for a while but this is the first time ive ever seen colin and Dagans faces! Feels unreal

  • @TotallyTed_
    @TotallyTed_ 8 месяцев назад +1

    I need to resubscribe to the Patreon. Missing these phenomenal topics and getting them sooo much later.

    • @TotallyTed_
      @TotallyTed_ 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@JoltinJoeyeah absolutely. I was a member for a while before, and the content was unbelievable. A treasure trove of fascinating discussion and some great interviews too.

  • @nicholasclark5320
    @nicholasclark5320 9 месяцев назад +2

    Nice 🕷️🕸️

  • @MegatonHookshot
    @MegatonHookshot 8 месяцев назад +1

    Did you both play with two different Spiderman models?

  • @nathanstorey9101
    @nathanstorey9101 9 месяцев назад +1

    I’m pretty sure the conversation restarting thing is from Rockstar. I seem to remember that happening in Red Dead 1 and maybe even in GTA 4.

  • @user-dj9iu2et3r
    @user-dj9iu2et3r 9 месяцев назад +3

    Today we see Colin struggle with the fact that Spider-Man is based on comic book logic. Of course they’re not going to show you actually KILLING people in a spider man game lol. That’s just the way comic book world works.
    It’s not supposed to be some super grounded and gritty take on crime lol. That said, I’d love an R rated version of all super hero stories (I guess that’s what The Boys is).

    • @FunkyFox39
      @FunkyFox39 9 месяцев назад +1

      For real man. Sometimes I feel like Collin needs to go back to English 1 and learn about suspension of disbelief again

  • @beatifulrewind
    @beatifulrewind 8 месяцев назад +1

    Ty for this and the time❤ I got platinum a day before the first dlc released ❤❤

  • @dillonb7765
    @dillonb7765 9 месяцев назад +8

    On the mj comments idk whos making them but what ive seen isnt that every female needs to be sexualized its just that they seem to go out of their way to make them less cute or sexy than previous versions of multiple female characters across lots of media

  • @ViciousRead
    @ViciousRead 8 месяцев назад +1

    @39:00 I swear it must have been Grand Theft Auto IV.

  • @tonylavagnaart3865
    @tonylavagnaart3865 8 месяцев назад

    Colin, your Jiminy Glick is spot on.

  • @crackcorn0404
    @crackcorn0404 8 месяцев назад +2

    I'm glad Dagan defended the Miles and MJ sequences. I like those parts.

  • @BayoLaraLoba
    @BayoLaraLoba 9 месяцев назад +4

    1:19:55 She’s certainly not ugly here but she’s certainly not the MJ we grew up with. Rather than a beautiful supermodel, she’s been, let’s say, modernized. Not quite the bombshell, she has this need to get involved in dangerous waters better left to Spidey, etc.

  • @DrTurdsley
    @DrTurdsley 9 месяцев назад +1

    I think this spoiler cast could have used Chris or someone else with a bit more Spider-Man knowledge.

  • @wade_says
    @wade_says 8 месяцев назад

    Colin, ease up on the Horizon stuff. It’s not THAT good lol. I couldn’t even finish either one because the story made me lose interest. Mechanics are solid and the world is somewhat interesting but you act like it’s one of the GOATS. SM1 and 2 are WAY better.

  • @thealphareich
    @thealphareich 8 месяцев назад +1

    I love Horizon, one of my favorite IPs, but FW actually was very predictable, story wise, from a high level. The story is just not anywhere as good as ZD, and I can't let people pretending it was slide by.

  • @WithstandTheStorm
    @WithstandTheStorm 8 месяцев назад +2

    Spiderman definitely road the wave of the popularity of the Daredevil series. It didn't have as much wokeness on its face but definitely has identity politics. SM2 definitely goes FULL Sweet Baby, Inc. Cultural Marxism ruins everything.

  • @victory7763
    @victory7763 8 месяцев назад +3

    There's nothing wrong with how MJ looks. What I find funny, is in real life I've seen guys go out of their way for women that look just like MJ in the game. If someone looking like MJ was interested in these folks, they would have a completely different tune in RL

  • @DrTurdsley
    @DrTurdsley 9 месяцев назад +1

    Oddly enough I did (mostly) predict where Horizon Forbidden West's story was going to go.

  • @RyanOrlowski
    @RyanOrlowski 9 месяцев назад +3

    on this episode and sacred symbols regular... the complaints about indoors, playing as other characters, the lab segments... some people want more than a one trick pony. so in every game do you want one character and limited gameplay? I disagree. I hope that these segments are in spider-man 2 and expanded on even more.
    I think the different gadgets greatly increased combat by allowing a variety of ways to defeat enemies and varying the degree of combat difficulty.
    at no point were any of the indoor sections limiting in combat. the indoor sections were all created with vastly unrealistic ceiling heights. I was frequently web swinging and point launching indoors.

    • @kadabur
      @kadabur 9 месяцев назад +1

      Agrred dont get MJ hate or miles

    • @user-dj9iu2et3r
      @user-dj9iu2et3r 9 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah I don’t get the hate for the indoor sections. You’re usually crawling on ceilings and stealthing around. They do this ESPECIALLY well in Miles Morales and it’s never an issue as far as combat/movement.

  • @galacticmaui2
    @galacticmaui2 8 месяцев назад +3

    I gotta disagree with you I think Spider-Man is above Horizon and on the same level as God Of War. Better in some ways while worse in others but of the caliber.

  • @c-los512
    @c-los512 9 месяцев назад +1

    Thinking of doing all those puzzles alone makes me not want to replay. I wish you could just toggle those off, and/skip the MJ missions. The padding certainly takes away form the game itself imo.

    • @imniallg
      @imniallg 9 месяцев назад

      MJ missions are the worst

    • @Shrewdy1
      @Shrewdy1 9 месяцев назад +3

      Haven't watched the episode yet so not sure what the guys said - but I'm almost sure there's an option in Spiderman that lets you skip the puzzles no?
      Now when it comes to the MJ missions I dunno, I'm guessing that's not an option

    • @Loopez2284
      @Loopez2284 9 месяцев назад +3

      There's an option to skip all puzzles.

  • @Michael-rv5ib
    @Michael-rv5ib 8 месяцев назад +4

    2 is so insanely bad. The writing is shockingly poor, and it’s clear that the creators cared more about their political messaging than making good content. You could swap all of the woke stuff out for Trump stuff and it’d still be horrible. They truly butchered Miles, and all of the potential this series had.

    • @tylerwagner1978
      @tylerwagner1978 8 месяцев назад +2

      You're being overly disingenuous. The story was serviceable even with whatever "woke" stuff that was in it.

    • @Michael-rv5ib
      @Michael-rv5ib 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@tylerwagner1978 not at all. First of all the writers went with message over content. It was genuinely boring. Second, there was no consistency. Things that were established early in the game were forgotten. Venom is a hivemind, but their final plan involves distracting venom from the base while the others attack? It is established that the symbiote makes people act weird and say bad things, but 5 minutes after Peter gets it off he’s acting all shocked that symbiote controlled Mary-Jane is saying terrible things and he’s all hurt? Then later on Miles does the same thing when Harry is being mean to him? How about the fact that they know sound is the symbiotes weakness but they do NOTHING with that knowledge. The writing is terrible.

    • @tylerwagner1978
      @tylerwagner1978 8 месяцев назад

      @@Michael-rv5ib They make a point to show that Venom wants Peter to join him and the hivemimd to "heal the world" so that's why he chased Peter away from thr hive. And they do take the noise thing into account because Peter amd Miles make the gadget that uses noise to stun the symbiotes.

    • @Michael-rv5ib
      @Michael-rv5ib 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@tylerwagner1978 no they used plot convenience to make it so exactly when the writers wanted Venom to, he became aware of the attack on the “base” and he went back. Lazy, poor writing at its finest.

    • @tylerwagner1978
      @tylerwagner1978 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@Michael-rv5ib Seems like a subjective view at this point.

  • @NelsonMandela1million
    @NelsonMandela1million 8 месяцев назад +2

    MJ and Aunt May were both terrible in this game and nothing like their comic counterparts. Mister Negative Filter is also a terrible villain. Villain designs also sucked and were generic "modern" redesigns inspired by the latest slop modern Spider-Man comics. Mediocre "Arkham" combat and non-physics based swinging all come together to make a highly overrated game!

  • @comic-forsaken6961
    @comic-forsaken6961 8 месяцев назад

    After the graphics I personally feel forbidden west is more of the same open world formula. I feel there overrated.

  • @thisisntthewholesomefuture649
    @thisisntthewholesomefuture649 8 месяцев назад +3

    Spider-Man 2 is so full of cringe and left-wing propaganda..
    I can't support "The Message".. and piss poor writing.

    • @Michael-rv5ib
      @Michael-rv5ib 8 месяцев назад

      Absolutely! I said it elsewhere, even if you swapped it out for Pro Trump messaging, it doesn’t matter, the content is boring and poorly written.

    • @KumarJankins
      @KumarJankins 8 месяцев назад

      Ohh god, go outside. What's the propaganda? Love and acceptance? Holy shit the paranoia people like you have is just sad.

    • @BrandonOfJapan
      @BrandonOfJapan 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@Michael-rv5ib somehow it ended up being better written than your own life's story.

    • @Michael-rv5ib
      @Michael-rv5ib 5 месяцев назад

      @@BrandonOfJapan I’ve literally accomplished childhood dreams and have more than I could have ever asked for. So I’ll disagree with ya on that.

  • @matthewlee4834
    @matthewlee4834 8 месяцев назад

    Colin really thinks his southern virginia accent is literally the most hilarious thing ever huh

  • @skeetsofrage9517
    @skeetsofrage9517 9 месяцев назад +4

    After getting the plat on both Horizon games, i can honestly say they are extremely disappointing, overrated, and just plain sucks.

    • @user-dj9iu2et3r
      @user-dj9iu2et3r 9 месяцев назад +1

      That doesn’t make sense. You wouldn’t have gotten the plat if you hated them.

    • @skeetsofrage9517
      @skeetsofrage9517 9 месяцев назад

      @@user-dj9iu2et3r i had the time to kill

    • @mr.j3149
      @mr.j3149 9 месяцев назад

      @@user-dj9iu2et3rI wouldn’t say I hated them but I platinums both games and thought the first game was an 8 and the second game was a 7. They are easy platinums though, so even though I was getting very bored by the sequel I still got that plat.

    • @linkinparkblink182ro
      @linkinparkblink182ro 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@user-dj9iu2et3r It makes sense when you consider mental illness