Angry DM Kills Cheater || D&D Horror Story
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In the inverse I had a DM cheat to stop my character by the first action. I can't remember the name of the race (haven't played DnD for a year or two) the ones that are basically kahjit with bonus to Dex and charisma. So I talked with the guy saying I wanted to make a Dodge based character and that I didn't care if I was weak doing almost no damage if or if I was just weak as hell but could dodge well. He agrees and I even double checked that I should put my highest stat into Dex for dodge. Yup.
So now for the incident. We were a group of people who had been captured by some kobalds or something being used as slave labor for a mine. We were in a big chain gang style line around the room sitting or lying down. The mine was mostly dark except for a handful of lanterns in a MASSIVE complex. I was the second to last to act and I, being a thin high Dex cat, asked what the check was to slip out of the chains. The DM tells me it's Dex. Perfect, or so I thought. My action was to slip out of the chains and remain sitting, but place the chains over my wrists so it appeared as though they were still on. Mind you this cell was pretty large, enough for 20+ comfortably. Well as the turns end the DM says something like, "a guard walks past looks in the cage sees that you've slipped out of your chains and throws a rock at you knocking you unconscious." I asked if my dodge based character would have the opportunity to... Ya know dodge or do anything. I was told no, because it would mess up his campaign if we got out too quickly. I tried to reason with the guy and asked the others at the table who agreed it was too much since there was no roll involved, even from the DM. He said fine and changed it to him walking in and we rolled. I got something like a 12 and I was left bleeding out on the floor dying from a single blow. I asked if I could just retcon my turn and stay in chains so I'm not dead by turn two. He said no and I proceeded to leave. Apparently the game lasted two weeks or three more sessions after that and they had to be told what to do to escape because they made no progress in three sessions.
For some added context, we are in a cave where we don't know how to get out, can barely see, there's armed guards with night vision EVERYWHERE, several watch towers, we're locked in a cage, and we have nothing but clothes and some small rocks lying around. I would later find out the way he intended for us to escape was via overwhelming the guards by a stock pile of weapons on the other side of the cave. Apparently they weren't even able to escape the prison cell andthe best part is the way the game ended.
(Note this is what I was told from my friend who kept playing) Apparently the strongman of the group used a rock to break the chains of everyone in the room and when they were being taken to mine again, the guards only noticed as they were out of their chains as they were getting their heads' bashed in. Additionally a watchtower (which apparently there's a watchtower in a cave) was in full view of this with two guards did nothing, because "they couldn't see" until the group was spotted trying to cross a bridge over a chasm. One of the guys got hit with an arrow another died from tripping while crossing the bridge and couldn't get back before it was cut by some guards on the far side which killed a few NPCs and they guy who tripped. The players decided to end it there since they couldn't make progress and one of them just died and the guy who was hit with an arrow was going to die, so now they were out half the group (including me) and hadn't managed to get past the watchtower yet.
"What would you like to drink? We have water, tea, spiders..."
"Spiders?"
"Spiders it is, then."
"No, wait I-"
_But he was already being poured a generous cup of spiders._
session zero establishes the ground rules and what everybody is into the game for and i think it shouldhave been obvious ahead of time that gunslinger was incompatible with that group
Always have stuff written down, verbal rules and agreements can be manipulated and heard wrong...
Reminds me of "heads I win, tails you lose."
"Where is Harvey Dent?!"
I'm disappointed in myself for not realizing I lose in both situations until I read it ten or so times over
"Heads I'm missed, tail I miss." This is fairly clever. Both outcomes sound so similar that you can easily switch them around later and an untrained ear won't realize it.
@@adriannelson4214 half stuck in the physical world half stuck in the aetherial plane being eaten by spiders
DM: Fine, but everytime you win, you got to flip a coin at extra round against army of angry Spiderling in their fucking nest, then you can proceed to next round
who cheats in a game based on imagination? sounds like the kid that never plays cops and robbers without his titanium plated robot armor.
I want to be robocop!
people with no imagination
Why wouldn't you play cops and robbers without your titanium armor?
@@JVisser1990 me 2 but even robocop got his arse kicked more than once
Yeah I loved play with my armor piercing bazooka with infinity shot speed
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Send help
@@CritCrab send more stories you mean?
@@CritCrab I can only send hemp rope and maybe a challenge to a duel. Sorry lad.
@@CritCrab read some stories that are funny for a bit.
He got lumbago
I mean, technically, the DM followed all the rules, he was just adapting the encounter difficulty to balance out the OP Homebrew item
The item wasn't even OP. The cheating made it so.
My solution to that problem is no homebrew items
It was pretty op for first level
@@avian68tb See, but that's not really fair or fun either imo. Maybe I'm just speaking from my inexperience, but homebrew can really enrich a setting and let things be more fun. There's a difference between homebrew and *bad* homebrew. If I played everything RAW, then I wouldn't have cool bunnyfolk artificers running around my setting. :)
@@Soitisisit my bad, I meant to say no homebrew items without reviewing said item(s) and with the understanding that the item may be taken away at any time the dm declares the item is unbalanced.
Never try to cheat the DM... especially if they can send waves of Phase Spiders after you at a moments notice.
Never cheat the DM. The world is literally theirs to manipulate at a whim and no rule in any rulebook says your PC can't be suddenly and unceremoniously eaten by the Tarasque before it settles back down to slumber.
yep The Dm is basically the god of the campaign
The DM is the game itself you’re playing, if you try to fuck over the DM you’re asking for the game itself to give you an ass-kicking
*plz not Phase Spiders* I HATE THOSE THINGS
@@unoriginalusername7178 The DM is something above the gods of the campaign. You are commanding the gods. As a DM you are so powerful, you don't even have stats.
Cheating at Dungeons and Dragons? I have never heard of a more useless activity
😑
Super common though, just not as overtly. Typically it takes the form of a player just randomly rolling a d20, and if the result is good theyll declare they took some action and "oh i already rolled an 18 for my check" but if the result is bad you just stay silent or then ask for the check and reroll the die.
Then you have the ole "the die didnt land flat" and rerolling quickly. Or scooping your damage die up before anyone can read them.
At first I read this wrong I thought it said "playing Dungeons and Dragons? Never heard of a more useless activity."
@@tesodra3863 lol I say that after watching 15 minutes of a Dungeons and Dragons story
It's almost as useful as cheating at Among Us
Player: Haha, I'm untouchable~
DM: *Well if you say so.*
Player: Wait no not like that-
Why did you have to make my lungs expload from laughter. stop being funny, it's dangerous
To anyone saying that the DM could have handled the situation better, he did warn the gunslinger about him cheating
I'm still not sure why the DM couldn't have just kicked the cheater out overtly.
@@jamestown8398 Cuz that wouldn't have taught him a lesson.
When i DM'd years ago i told the players they could cheat in the useage of magic spells but if they did they got a mark against their character. I would roll a d20 and add the number of marks they had and if they went over 20 the Goddess of magic shows up and kills your character for fucking with her rules.
Personally, I would have let his character fall unconscious one or two times to see if it humbled the player a bit first, maybe knocked some sense into his head, and if it didn't, then go for the kill. In my experience, sometimes a person needs a few good proverbial slaps upside the head to realize they're being an asshole.
That being said, the DM handled this situation in a way I don't...totally disagree with. This guy definitive pushed their luck, and sometimes holding onto asshole players in hopes that they improve just isn't worth it in the long run.
@@fengroukan9148It's clear they didn't with the way the DM used either.
Honestly? DM did a great job, better than any DM I have seen in these channels.
1) They stopped Gunslinger from the cheats and told him how exactly things will go down
2) Negated the gunslinger’s attempt at a fast one instead of just “catching him next time”
3) Told the party that this new rule will be implemented across the entire table (for fairness, but not punishment)
4) Punished the Gunslinger in a way only he would be punished and not the team
5) Helped end that day’s session by taking over (with the player’s permission)
and spends an unnecessary amount of time doing all of that instead of just telling the known cheat to leave. Cause at this point in the story you know as a dm you are gonna kill the character off, so you are devoting energy and time to this person you have already written off. I don't see how this is efficient or worth the effort over simply telling them to leave, and then informing other players you know that he/she is a cheater.
@@diablerietandino1941 It literally said in the story that due to issues outside the table he didn't want to just kick the guy out.
The life cleric rode with the gunslinger he didn't want to lose two players because of the cheater
@@Luthies gas lighting isn't magically a cool thing just because someone fudges dice. not to mention the fact that he threw a CR 10 encounter at a single level 6 player.
there are ways of dealing with cheaters, but selectively ignoring item and spell descriptions for a "rocks fall, you die" is just as inappropriate from a dm as a player cheating. sure the DM has the ability to change any rule, but doing so selectively as to have different times when the rules work in different ways, like in this this example does nothing but just break the trust between players and dm.
@@NoESanity lol
At my table, players get a warning on session zero/one, and one warning when caught. When caught cheating, I tell them that's their one, and if I catch it again, or get evidence from another player, they're gone. No god bolt, no falling rocks. You're asked to leave the table and your character is retconned out of the campaign, replaced by an NPC named Biff the Understudy, an Expert, Adept, or Warrior (depending on your class) with subpar stats who's only there to finish whatever plot relevance your character had during that stretch of the campaign, who then wanders off once he's no longer story-relevant (having lost interest and gotten distracted).
Biff the Wandering Legend.
That's a pretty good practice. I'll have to do something similar if I ever have to ban someone in the future.
Biff the buff boi
Thage
I find this particularly hilarious that I have a character named Biff. XD
But yeah that’s a great rule.
May I ask what system? Sounds like an Stars Without Number
My group straight up bailed on a guy for this crap. We talked to him calmly and maturely about his problems, but he just wouldn't stop. So we changed game location and didn't tell him. One of the best decisions we ever made.
"You're all ganging up on me." Yes. Because you're cheating. And were calling you out.
Also, "for out of game reasons." If it happens at the table, it's not out of game.
Gotta agree with that brother
Well, it was for metagame reasons. The characters had no ingame reason to target the gunslinger and it seems a bit fishy that somehow neither the mage nor the cleric can spare an action to cast dispell Magic on him to save him from a clearly deadly situation. Normally I'm against such in game punishments, but the Player really had it coming to him. My respect to that DM for Setting up a trap for that Player without using any homebrew bullshit or contrived higher force like "rocks fall, you die". Also the Player could have avoided it if he had used his Brains and not just triggered his "ha, ha, you can't hit me"-item without thinking.
@@chrisrudolf9839 I'm saying that the DM not handling it person-to-person, and choosing to handle it in-game was just pointless. And that his justification of not wanting to kick him out of the group "for out of game reasons," makes no sense. Because, to me, it sounds like his definition of "out of game," is anything that isn't the an issue with the character, itself. So hell only boot someone if their character is a big enough prick.
I'm basically saying he should just say he doesn't think the problem was bad enough to warrant kicking. Instead of trying to make it seem like he had no real choice but to let him stay. He made a judgement call not to boot the guy, and needs to either stand by that decision, or admit he thinks it was a bad call.
As for what he actually did to clap back at the cheater... I have no real worthwhile opinion. I don't believe in solving player-to-player problems in-game. And that will taint any opinion I have of how he handled it. XP
@@ultimateninjaboi I think the "out of character reasons" wasn't cause the stuff he was doing was out of game, but rather the DM as a person in real life may have faced some kind of real world consequences for outright kicking the player out.
As for the rest, yeah this guy should've been kicked out the moment he started pulling his cheating.
As for the story I find it amusing and like the sense of schadenfreude, of course it was a petty way to handle it, but if I'm interpreting the comment right then kicking the player wasn't an option, but getting him to quite was then... well it may have been immature, but it worked.
@@TheNewEvil1 yeah. Like I said. I'm just nitpicking they way he put it forward in the post more than I am his actual decision. X3.
Honestly, I love DnD but all of the players I play with/ DM act like Hormonal teenagers and complain about dealing 4 damage with a shield.
New players time?
Sounds like you need to either have a serious conversation with your group or find a new group. No DnD is better than Bad DnD.
@Mac S. -- it might be the "hormonal teenager" thing that's getting to you more than the Damage complaint (i cry 'bout only doing 4 damage with a Shield as well, but that's 'cause i always roll damage poorly)...
Wait you can attack with shields?
@@lawbot2966 it would be an improvised weapon.
Using Phase Spiders was an excellent way to deal with the "blinking" cheating gunslinger player.
i think an anchor would have been better imo. have him stuck in the ethereal plane unable to act. gives him a chance to think about what he did and the dm can then either kill him off if he's being a dick or lift the anchor.
@@NoESanity I think that could be to much. Make it seem like it's more him fucking up and less the DM just outright killing him.
I feel like the spell slingers should have actually used dispel magic because then their teammate wouldn't have died and they would have better odds in combat
@@redholm In this case, The DM ganged up on a character with more than half a dozen CR 4 monsters. (young template is -1 CR, phase spiders are CR 5) which as the DM stated was something he did in response to the player, thus is exactly a DM outright killing him. There is no way around that, if the DM make a monster that can only attack one of the players, and said monster kills said player, the DM is singling out that player to die.
On the other hand, in combat, if one of your enemies (or pc in this instance) is using an ability like blink or displacement, granting them a flat 50% chance to not take damage from any given attack (that requires a roll) and to take half damage from all other sources. You would naturally do something to prevent said ability from getting in the way. Instead of having two CR 5 and eight CR 4 monsters (a CR 11 fight) having a single wizard would be much more in line with player levels and less dickish. So for example, a lvl 7 wizard, with a handful (3) of shadow's doing his bidding. This would change the fight from CR 11 to CR 8, remember the PC's are lvl 6. From there, the wizard who is hanging out in the ethereal plane doing what ever evil things he is doing sees someone blinking in and out of the ethereal plane and casts dimension anchor on him, trapping him for 7 minutes. then a showdown between a lvl 6pc and a lvl 7 npc creates a fair fight. unlike a single lvl 6 pc vs a CR 10 encounter. this gives the offending player a chance to prove himself, gives him a reason to be a little wary of using the blink with such disregard, and if the player still wants to be a dick, now that he can no longer blink to safety, a simple spell like acid pit or a few fireballs would make some pretty quick work of him, especially since a mage can stay out of a firearms lethal range.
Also, the ring of blinking is an CRB item, in fact the official item has no limit. on command as a free action the player can turn on and off the blink at will, an infinite number of times per day, and as a CL 7 magic item, it is not unreasonable for a level 6 player to have one. The fact that this DM had such a problem was a mixture of his own inexperience and the players cheating. only one of those problems was solved by the DM's solution.
@@NoESanity Was not a large part of the story that he was fudging all his dice?
That whole "you rolled a 0 on a d10" happened in a dnd game a while ago, I was rolling damage, got the 10, and the DM says, "0 damage ok" to which I say "no thats the 10" he says "no one is a 10" to which I reply "wheres the one sean". he realizes what hes been saying and we all have a good laugh.
We still mock him with "wheres the one sean", though frankly we have those sorts of mocks for everyone. Mine is "are there trains in this setting." due to me asking that question after the DM (different guy, same group) just went through describing the train we were on.
I had a DM that was worse at one point where he would not let go of the fact since it says "zero" that means it's zero. The entire group was annoyed because he was the only one that argued this and all of us used some form of attack that did some form of d10 damage. I then got clever and said "fine I'll roll my d12 instead and if I get 11 or 12, I'll reroll." DM then he said he would not accept those rolls, but the entire group followed suit with me and refused to touch our d10s, so he had no choice but to accept. Next session, he did give a half-hearted apology as he went to some online discussion forum where he said he got laughed at for his mistake.
I used to have the link to the thread he made, but the forum is long gone as this was over 10 years ago.
@@amorasilverspark that's a lot simpler than hunting down a d10 that says 10 on it, which is where I thought you were going.
Maximilian Cooke Funnily enough, my first set’s d10 had a 10 instead of 0, this my group mates consistently call it the “cursed” d10, and don’t really like seeing me roll it because seeing the 10 face is uncomfortable for most of us, lol.
Had something similar. It's shocking how many people can't read d10 or d100 dice.
so i grasp the 0 is a 10, but for some reason i struggled mightily with the concept of d100 taking 0+0 and making 100. at least i never argued about it though, for me it has always been a "how tf do i read these again?" (we dont use d100 much)
See, the DM tried to be mature and discuss everything normally, and resolve it with civility. The player refused and continued being a douche.
He got what was coming to him
3:53 ehhh, this isnt exactly the most civil way to discuss things
Sometimes, a person just needs to be called an idiot
Bro no one deserves what happened to that gunslinger(the character not the player)
@@Sextistsheep I feel bad for his character never having any challenge just the same old shit.
@@landkon2254 right? He could've just punched him in the face, or screaming he's wrong. Why try to talk it out right?
I had a friend doing something kinda like gunslinger, but he was dropping his d20 in attempts to get consistent crits. I ended up buying a dice tower and making it mandatory that everyone used it.
Thankfully the friend in question grew out of that habit and the sessions in the years since have been great..
I will soon have a set of 3D printed dice towers so every player has an identical tower to use..
They are designed to make it hard to grab the die quickly and to make the die easy to see.
was simpler is to just tell him to reroll when he does that lol
@@CanyonF I did, but he just kept dropping it. Not like in a way it would clank around and be random, but that he would try and make it slide or land the way he wanted it to. He just kept doing it and would get super anal when I would get on his case about it. That's why I just said fuck it and got the tower.
Why not just make it a rule that all rolls must be public and easily seen with the GM allowing secret rolls at his discretion? They dont like it, they can leave
@@patchmoulton5438 Its not that he was hiding anything, he was again dropping it in a way to attempt to ensure himself getting high to critical rolls. I don't understand why I have to say this three times now.
To be fair, even if the DM tried to get into a reasonable explanation with that player, it probably wouldn t change anything. I ve seen enough of these kind of cheater to tell you that they will never admit their problem and will always try to save their face with the guilt trip. That was probably the best way to do it. And quite frankly, I m sure some of the player were annoyed by his attitude too.
Or, you could not be a weak ass dm and simply tell the disruptive player to leave. what power do they have over you to continue playing?
@@diablerietandino1941 It s easy when you use a chat room like these guys. Not as easy when both the Dm and the player were basically the best of friends and that Dm, having killed his friend PC with basically a style similar to this guy, got to deal with a schism who ripped apart the majority of our own gang in half for almost a year. And, sadly, that *weak ass* dm almost killed itself because of it.
But again there was some serious pieces of shit in that old gang. And some people just take that game way too seriously. You never know if you have players who are too deep in their power fantasy/bullshit until you see how far it can go.
@@diablerietandino1941 One reason he probably didn't kick said player from the get go was because as mentioned towards the end he was the one who had given one of the other players a ride to the game
"...they pop out of thin air and are the size of a horse."
...
Ad...venture? :(
Considering an apt description of adventure (long stretches of incredible boredom punctuated by brief moments of sheer terror), yes.
@@BattleSpew I think that the late, great, Sir Terry Prachett put it best when he said, "Adventure! People talked about the idea as if it were something worthwhile, rather than a mess of bad food, no sleep and strange people inexplicably trying to stick pointed objects in bits of you."
Also to be fair, the outcome is logical, a blink spell that sends you to the ethereal plane is not entire safe from harm. Perhaps you usually are, but the second you see something like evidence of Phase Spiders, that safety net becomes a weakness, if anything I imagine phase spiders to be drawn to such artifacts, and or materials are required from them to make it.
I imagine ghosts themselves could be more of a danger if you are swapping between the material and ethereal, since that is their primary plane. Also Night Hags, think you are in trouble and hide in the Ethereal, she can follow.
but I still blame the cleric and wizard, HELP OUT YOUR TEAMMATES AND THEY CAN HELP YOU DEAL WITH THE CURRENT ISSUE!
@@liamdalemon1525 everyone have had enough if his shit at that point and he was cheating. It was deserved.
@@liamdalemon1525 They were dealing with their own respective threats that encounter, and as another replied as well, the rest of the table was getting sick of that player's bullshit anyways
Gunslinger was an idiot for using that spell around enemies that can pass between planes at will.
To be fair, there is also spells that can hit you even if you phase in the ethreal plane... Of course if you are not in the deep ethereal
I felt the DM gave him MORE than acquitted warning & chance to reform his behavior, the player refused. Some players simply will not accept people standing up to their shenanigans & he showed his childish nature by refusing to even let the Life Cleric answer for himself when the DM asked if his character could be DM run for the rest of the session.
Sometimes ill never understand why anyone trys to cheat in D&D. There's no winning or losing.
Sometimes "losing" actually makes the story better.
@@MrProng999 Yeah but I never think of D&D as winning or losing. It's just seems silly that a wizard died like that.
It also confuses me when people want their character to be the best at everything
My character has +0 to strength but still goes around trying to brute force things and I think it’s fun and hilarious
It’s because D&D has infinite possibilities, and that’s just bound to attract low-lives who want to be perfect at everything because they’re bad at everything irl. Obviously that’s not all the cases, but most likely it’s to satisfy their own need for feeling powerful and stuff.
One failure is ok but it can really get on your nerves if those are building up in a row. My luck in DnD was never really good ( three nat1 in the row) so I tend to eventually get upset as the rest of the group is actually getting their hero moments while I am struggling against the simplest things. I am playing in Discord and there's no way to mess up with a bot we use to roll the dice. I wish I could somehow affect my outcomes but at the same time I am scared of losing those people and my DM as we became friends. That's the only thing keeping me from trying to cheat.
"Dude.... Are you arguing with the Narrator?"
"Well he started it."
This brought back so many great memories
George of the Jungle a classic movie
Blink is a dismissable spell, he could have ended this at anytime with a free action. . . I am not sure if that makes it better or worse lol
He relinquished his status as the Caster of the spell when he dropped the item. He should have been able to disable the spell at will but he didn't disable the spell he never took the action to disable the spell. He was himself ignorant of the rules, and that's why he cheats in the first place. Oherwise he would have realized that home brewing an item to cast 3rd level spell 3 times a day is pointless when he could spend less money on a Ring of Blinking which allows the player unlimited use of blink on himself at will, which is not homebrew and would cost less money to buy than his bullshit item would cost to even craft if item creation rules are being properly followed. And it actually is fair and balanced that a 3 charges a day item cost 5 times as much as one that effectively casts infinite times at will as a free action... Because that ring only affects the wearer while that spell casting item could be used to aid allies.
@@MogofWar that is another good point, if they had more charges on the ring (which from the rest of the story it seems like they did) he could have just cast blink on his teammates so that they could help him. So the player had 2 options to easily avoid his death but chose to do nothing but bitch instead . . .
@@helios5752 3 charges according to the story. He could have brought 2 of his teammates into the fight. But he was not thinking in terms of the actual Meta of his item, and God forbid he dare incrporate some teamwork into his fuckery. (Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the item and he homebrewed it to be a cast on self only item, so that it could be half the price of a Ring of Blinking, which activates and deactivates at will as a free action.) But again I think I'm just rambling here. Cheaters cheat because they would rather sidestep the rules than learn them.
Ending a spell is an action - a caster has to do a particular 'abracadabra in reverse' to end a spell. A spell trigger item does not grant the ability to do that. It grants the ability to cast the spell.
It is true, it's best to handle all; if not most situations/games via mature and fair outcomes. However sometimes diplomacy doesn't always work and nor gives the desired aftermath. So at times the DM must make take a harsh swift ruling or teach a lesson in sort of way.
PS: Don't be douche player in D&D and you won't get targeted by God.
The DM is not your friend and doesnt wanna see your succeed, The DMs job is to voice and control the world and if a player is fucking around with magic and breakin the rules of magic the magic Gods get involved and kill the character. I fully accept the Goddess of magic getting involved when a character in the world is breaking her rules of magic and fucking that dude/chick up for their transgressions. -shrugs- The magic has rules for a reason bro dont fuck with a goddess's system.
Not even god, god of gods, like Puffin Forest said
“You’re so powerful, you (The DM) don’t have stats”
You can’t hit the DM in-game unless he/she allows you to, he/she is the very fabric of time and space, so it’s not much of a stretch that they can manipulate the rules/ use the rules against you.
@@dylan56789ful I don't know what kind of people you're playing with if your takeaway of your DM is "they don't want to see you succeed", we aren't living in the Gygax era anymore. The job of the DM is to tell you a story and move the world around the player's actions, and keep things interesting, even if that means putting players in dangerous situations.
And here I thought we had left behind the adversarial "the DM only wants to kill you" days
@@SvarogAristaeusAllen my only DM i ever had brought fresh character sheetz every session and went out of his way to try and kill us. Traps always did max damage which in his world was 5D10 no matter what, he would fake critical s, he would spontaniously keep adding mobs till someone went down ect. I dont get to play often but i just assumed most standard groups just get obliterated constantly so you just keep making new interesting characters to try out. After about 6 sessions i had to make 8 characters from scratch which by the end of it i just used the same stats/class and changed the gender/looks to streamline the process. Thats just my experiences tho i quit dnd after that because it just felt toxic.
@@dylan56789ful Ooof, that's rough buddy. I think DMs should build their world and gameplay WITH their players, not against them. It's ok for DMs to have their own fun, but not at the expense of the players. At least that's how I DM.
Player: "You can't see me!"
DM: "And no one ever will." *snaps*
9:19 only target him *character suicides in Skyrim* very nice my friend, very nice.
This is exactly why, as a DM I don't let my players roll the percentile on effects such as blink: I will just roll the attack for the creature behind the screen and then the percentile/ d10 openly in front of the players. This way everyone sees the dice and I can use a consistent method for everyone: low is a miss, high hits.
ismaele sisto Can you explain me percentile dice? My dice are labeled in 10’s (20,30,40)... and then I get 00 and 10.
So I am guessing 10 = 100, and 00= 10? Or 0? Thanks!
@@starbird3939 some dice sets have 2 d10s: one has single digits, the other has 10, 20. 30 etc. on it, this way you can have for example a 49 as result. If you have 00 on one dice and 0 on the other= 100, if you have 10 and 5= 15, if you have 00 and 1= 1.
I hope it helps you
@@starbird3939 Some dice use "10" while others use "0", but both mean 10 (or whatever that particular die's maximum is). In D&D the lowest possible number rolled on a die is 1, not 0.
In your specific case, I would think that a "00" on the ten's die and a "10" on the one's die means that you rolled 100.
Really late, but for all those who may stumble upon this, the d100 goes as such: you read the d10 with single numbers as 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and the d10 with two numbers on each as 00, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, and combine them for your percentile. Since we don't do 0 in D&D or probably most systems, honestly, you read 00 and 0 together as a 100.
This is why some d10's will have 0's on them: it's because it's the small half of a d100, however, if you're rolling it as a d10, you read it as 1-10.
That’s some Lovecraftian bullshit right there, I love it.
Also, the wheezing at the opening is likely due to exoskeleton tumors from this cancerous cringe.
I always love the twists where surviving villagers don’t know exactly what was going on so they give false information believing it’s true about what the adventurers are up against.
“Ethereal Creatures are appearing out of thin air, so it must be GHOSTS” so the party goes in to only be waylaid by PHASE SPIDERS
Villager is hearing movement under his house and food is missing from his pantry, and he found hidden tunnels in his basement. “Obviously a rat infestation” the party sees there kinda big tunnels so “obviously a GIANT Rat infestation” they think, like idiots, only to be caught flat footed in the heavily trapped tunnel of a brand new KOBOLD DEN!
Stuff like that.
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I got to say it was a very interesting And almost tailor-made way of taking out the guy while only using the games owned resources.
It stands to reason when it comes to any tabletop game that your dice rolls need to be trusted and easy to understand by everybody not just yourself.
This is especially if you’re using an item that you made yourself.
As for the DM‘s actions. You can try and say that there could’ve been other ways he could’ve used to deal with it, but in truth if the person was cheating then I say to the DM do whatever you want to teach him a lesson and have fun.
"I feel like I'm getting targetted!"
Aaaaaaaand whose fault is that?
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well I mean if you were in a room where every spell you cast is counter spelled but your unaware so you cast fireball to try to kill the enemy but then you get hit with your own attack because of the counter spell. does it count as your fault if you don't know that doing something could have horrible consequences?
Gaming strategies 101
Any player worth their salt will go after the pros instead of the people they can beat, even teaming up with their enemy so neither of them are weakened
"How dare you stop me from cheating!" Also totes furst.
The dm TRIED to let the player know his shenanigans weren't gonna fly and he argued. This was handled perfectly imo, he dealt with it in game using his imagination and did a hell of a job coming up with a scenario to handle it. Well done.
As with all internet stories, it's important to understand that the dm acted this way *because* he knew this person and their behavior.
The revenge was pretty much just
"We have milk, lemonade, spiders....."
Cheater:"Spiders?"
"S P I D E R S I T I S"
*He starts describing you being eaten alive while shifting in and out of reality*
Still loved it tho
I think I might try and steal that plot for a one-shot with my friends. Sounds really fun.
Short of the DM not just telling him "No" to the magic item at character creation, I think the DM handled it pretty well
i was of the impression the item was DM created, and the player was just abusing the hell out of it. if the player themselves actually made the item, thats a lot bigger of a problem.
my group had a player, who we have since ejected, who tried to pull a fast one during character creation for my campaign. he made a dwarf cleric (level 1) and asked if, because he was a noble, if he could have Mithril Armor. i said sure, on the condition that it use the baseline stats of Splintmail with halved weight (i was running on about 2 hours of sleep because finals, normally i probably would have just said no). this guy then decides to ignore the second part of that, using platemail and giving it an extra +1 because "i know how to masterwork". i didn't argue it when i realized it because it took 3 or 4 sessions for me to catch it. i just behind the screen gave creatures an extra to hit bonus vs him.
this guy was also super salty when something didn't go his way. IE 2 bugbears, a shaman and a barbarian, were created by me as level 5 enemies (boosted health pools) to contest the level 5 party. the guy forced everyone else to take a formation with him in the middle of the doorway phalanx. well, the goblins were next to spear racks outside their tents(4 spears per goblin to throw, and a 5th to fight normally with). the bugbear shaman also knew fireball. they didn't know it at the time, but this group of enemies was under the direction of a beholder who had been scrying on them. and they used the same trick each time (was annoying when they didn't attempt any variations, and he got pissed when players broke formation, because the formation put him front and center every time). this guy also started whining that fireball was not a spell they should be dealing with at their level. to which the wizard of the party responded by casting fireball.
i would have called the guy on a lot more, but i felt physically unsafe in his presence, and didn't really want to endanger myself or my friends for calling him on something within a game. ultimately we leaned on help from the store we play at to get him removed from the group. which went a lot more smoothly than i expected (i brought pepper spray that day. this was a guy who thought talking about hitting a guy IRL with a machete with total strangers was a good first impression. it didn't help that, where this guy was in his late 30s or so, the next oldest of us was in his early-mid 20s. some of us were still in high school.)
to avoid punishing the party, i allowed the group to, collectively choose a player to create another character to round out the group. i didn't specify healer, but they added a healer, because the dwarf was their only healer.
Dude was using Kamui to break a freaking tabletop game.
This whole story is the prime example, " Cheaters never prosper."
Also Holy cow, that character death was epic!
Man, I subbed before 1000, and every time I come back to this channel it jumps forward by hundreds !
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10 < 5.
I don't know how this person could waste the time but I am low key impressed it lasted 10 minutes.
Eh, at least the amount of time wasted was less than five minutes
As a DM who regularly deals with cheating players I agree with how this guy handled it. It's more fun that way. Teaches them a lesson harder than just arguing ever will.
This was fantastic, creative, and a brilliant example of a DM properly improving to do damage control.
I love that youtube recommended this channel to me. Tabletop storytimes are just my favorite thing. 😂
I have to say I'd normally take the high road and just asked that guy to not come back, but I have to tip my hat to your creativity. That was highly amusing and exciting to listen to. Props.
Honestly, Horror stories always make me feel lucky to have my group. They may not be perfect, but they play fair and don't throw tantrums over my rulings. Worst I can say about them is they pull things so outside the bounds of what I've planned for that I have to ditch all my notes and start from scratch pretty frequently, but heck, that's half the fun.
I legit thought there was something wrong with my earbuds at that beginning. Either way this story reminds me of this player that was a part of a D&D campaign I’m a part of on Discord. This person would always cheat by faking rolls, and would always roll a 19 or 20. What makes this worse is that this person BARELY showed up for our sessions and even when he did show up, he didn’t really contribute to the story and was just kinda there. He would always try to get our attention and that’s it. We didn’t really take notice of this until one of the other players, who plays a rogue, pointed it out. The DM had to kick him out because she, along with the rest of the players including myself, were tired of his cheating and stuff. He then proceeds to throw a fit about getting kicked out and started blaming me for kicking him out for no reason, when in truth it was the DM who kicked him out and for several reasons
Can't wait for all those people on their moral high horses to ride in and decree the DM as the bad guy in this situation.
Edit: Boy, I was waaaaay late to that party lol.
THAT IS SINGLEHANDEDLY THE MOST AMAZING DESCRIPTION OF A DEATH I HAVE EVER HEARD
IT'S FLAT OUT HORRIFYING
The actual correct way of handling this situation: "No. You can't have a magic item like that. Especially this early into the campaign." The end.
To be fair he could have not known that he was gonna cheat
@@1000drman That item was way overpowered for characters of that level. Even if it were a once per day item I wouldn't have allowed it. It's a 7th level spell.
@@CaptainDCap not as strong as a ring that does it all the time and is cheaper lol not even homebrewed
@@CaptainDCap nope checked both 3.5 and 5th if you mean a different version than those two then fine but both listed it as a 3rd level
@@1000drman Apologies. I weas looking at Etherealness, not Blink. That said, twice per day in game mechanics tends to translate to 'Permanent' for the purpose of combat. Thing's mega busted, especially when you consider the ring would likely eliminate the need for concentration, depending on just how badly it was homebrewed.
God, imagine seeing shit happen in real life, watching your friends disappear, and reappear, slowly being worse for wear, and sometimes with spiders crawling all over him. If someone animated that, it would be the stuff of nightmares, practically is already.
The DM haneld the situation perfectly.
The guy cheated, was called out on it multiple times, and kept on cheating. At this point you can do only 3 things realy. Just endure it wich makes the adventure less fun for everyone except the cheater. Kick him out wich can cause a sceen. And finaly what he did.
I think he absolutly picked the correct option.
dricsi07 Kicking him out wouldn’t just cause a scene. It would also remove the innocent Life Cleric because Gunslinger was his ride.
gunslinger: USE (plane shift) DISPEL (plane shift) MAGIC! (plane shift)
cleric: yea in a minute. we kind of have a situation here
gunslinger: I AM (plane shift) BEING TARGETED (plane shift) BY MULTIPLE (plane shift) GIANT SPIDERS!!!
cleric: just wait a minute
(the entire fu*king encounter later)
cleric: okay now I have time
(cleric uses dispel magic and the gunslinger reapers with severely mangled... everything)
gunslinger: well you certainly took your time.
I like how as soon as I finally get skyrim, Crit Crab puts skyrim as his background video
Thing i love about all these stories is how the other players never defend the arsehole/wanker/twat etc etc etc
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* insert nervously looking away emoji here *
Never had any experience with this kind of a player myself, but I could definitely say I would probably hate it.
This guy was like that one kid who always uses gun or dragon, or something that would win in any situation when playing rock paper scissors.
heres a better idea:
"Sorry, not going to allow your homebrewed magic item, how about next time you let me know beforehand and ill see what we can do"
That would work if it was the item that was the issue. Wont prevent a cheater from cheating though.
@@HmmWelp Exactly. The proper response is "Fred, I don't want to play D&D with you anymore.", coming from the DM or from the players. In game, the DM is the DM, but out of game he's one of a group of people gathered to play D&D. Cheating is out of game behaviour. As a general rule, a DM ought never to address out-of-game issues in-game.
But, if this dude in this situation couldn't just boot the player as he ought to have because reasons, then meh. At the end of the day, it was a cool and funny response. It was obvious that the player's character was being targeted, but only because out-of-game we know that those baby spiderlings would not have been there because why would anyone bother? Most DM's would simply ignore or halve the gunslinger's damage, which is what a DM of my acquaintance did when dealing with an habitual cheat.
@@PaulMurrayCanberra huh I wouldnt have thought to handle it in that fashion, and in a situation where you cant just kick the person out of the group for whatever reason that certainly seems like an ideal way of going about it, the player wouldnt ever know.
At least in the above story, while it may have been a less preferable way of handling it, it seems the other players were just as fed up and it didnt cause any extra strife. That's the main thing I personally would worry about.
And why I would sidebar with the other players and decide with them what to do about it.
But if that weren't an option, simply gimping the players effectiveness without him knowing would certainly work well enough.
Honestly, I wouldn't have ever left the phase rolls to the player in the first place. Whether or not the NPC attacks miss seems like something the GM should be rolling. The PC's attacks missing is a little harder to argue, but I'd just say for the sake of expediency, it's faster and easier to remember if the GM just handles all rolls relating to phasing.
He should have no reason to complain about that, and if he does, he's outing himself as a cheater. And, if he chooses not to play as a result of that, you're not kicking him out. He's choosing to not play.
Low key phase spiders sound fking terrifying
Sometimes you just gotta discipline “children”. Solid justice IMO
The idea of someone blinking in and out of reality while being devoured by giant spiders is horrifying beyond words
I saw the title of the video and was like, "Wait, literally?!?"
0:27 Ahhhhh, the sight of someone being able to swim under water in an elder scrolls game. Its like the sweet smell of fresh air after being cursed to be buried alive for a thousand years, finally able to move about.
happy merry christmas eve, crit crab! a good story :P revenge exacted.
"Metal Math Rocks" is the best thing ever
Yet another conflict that could have been avoided by a session zero. If the gunslinger doesn't want to give up the broken item, then he doesn't play. If he absolutely has to have the item for whatever reason (all the players get some bs magic item, etc...), then have the effect in writing, that usually stops blatant cheating.
It is not that an item was broken, the player was cheating.
@Pawel Kwiatkowshi(i bet that last name was horrible to write in school, you have my late sympathy)-- i agree with you, as the player was the one causing the issues. If you notice, after he was "taken out", the magic item itself seemed perfectly all right...
@@kronos661 The point I was trying to make is that the player shouldn't have had such an easily abused item in the first place. Yes his cheating went beyond the item by fudging his rolls, but the dm shut that down. If one of my players writes in their backstory that they have a magic homebrew hat that gives enemies a 50% miss chance whenever they want then I will take it away from them. It completely destroys balance without the other players and my monsters having their own bs homebrew items.
@Spook Horse: The blink effect also exists as a (high level) spell and several monsters like the Phase Spiders the DM used have similar abilities, so I see no issue with the magic item. Even the Level 3 spell greater invisibility grants you a 50% chance to be missed (unless the Opponent has some Magic or other Special ability to pinpoint your Location despite the invisibility), so it really isn't that overpowered. It's an item that lets you cast a standard spell on yourself several times a day, numerous similar magical items like that are listed in the Players Handbook. It IS quite a powerful spell, so that magical artefact would be very valuable and I would be reluctant to let a low level beginner player have it, unless there is a good story based reason for it and the other players get to have similarly powerful goodies. But in a mid- to high level party, I see no issue with that magic item. It only became a problem when the player tried to fudge his rolls to essentially claim every attack misses him and he never suffers from the miss chance of his own attacks.
@@spookhorse This is not homebrew, this magic item is just enchanted so that it can use a spell three times a day. The spell that not only gives every strike ageinst you 50% chance to miss but also gives your weapon 20% chance to miss and a few bonusses more. I am not an expert on the topic of Pathfinder but in D&D 3.5 if such spell would exist you could create this mechanically.
Not sure what’s more interesting, the story, or critcrab just sandboxing in Skyrim
This story is just beautiful.
Been listening to AllThingsDnD lately. I like his presentation a little more than yours, but I really appreciate the longer recaps you offer. It'd be cool to see y'all collab one day. Great story and vid
if your a dm asking a player how a mechanic is working your doing it wrong DMs make the mechanics
Well, the mechanics come from the books. Players can be experienced DMs too.
I was ok until the spiders popped outta thin air... now I’ll never sleep again
I feel like this is a lot different than the story about the DM messing with the bigot. That guy was a bigot outside of the game. This guy was jerk during the game.
Cheaters just wind up cheating themselves and their group. Some of the most memorable moments I've had playing D&D have come from rolling a 1 at "interesting" times.
I'm kind of curious about what the out of game situation was that prevented the DM from just kicking the cheater.
I'm assuming the life cleric, since when he did kill the gunslinger, the cleric had to leave
He did warn the cheater, multiple times, and from my understanding if the gunslingers topped blinking, he could've fought the big spiders with the big kids... with a healer present to assist him. Obviously he was too stubborn and continued to cheat. The only time I had a death retconned was when there wasn't nearly enough players (work duties) and one of the missing players was our strongest. We were severely underpowered and it was legitimately unfair.
He couldn't stop blinking-that was why he was asking the casters to dispel magic.
Great DM, can understand him, I currently have to deal with a player who just does what he wants
Running from an NPC which he confused for one of the PCs which he attacked
Trying to steal money from the group and doesn't give it back
Trying to set EVERY FUCKING HOUSE on fire, when he can't get inside
had people like that in a pathfinder game, a klepto rogue and a murderhobo barbarian, both chaotic evil... did not take long for us to all turn on them when they were killing the homeless and burned down a church after robbing it... especially since our cleric of Iomedae just learned.... I believe it was called Evard's Black Tentacles? Either way, they died horribly. They did not seem to understand that their actions effected the world and made the mostly Lawful and Neutral good party angry. And it is astounding how many people don't seem to understand the cooperative part in a cooperative tabletop roleplaying game.
@@Vyserial
I banned mine from the table,
Tough call but he said over his new Level 4 Necromancy Wizard "He can one shot the party"
And I thought: Why would you do that? And how do you one shot a Level 4 Swashbuckler Rouge, a Level 4 Sheperd Druid, a Level 4 Totem Barbarian, a Level 4 Sword Bard and a Level 4 Hexblade Warlock (3) / Bard (1) in one fucking turn?
@@marcid.kidding8687 He doesn't! I'm not as fluent in 5e but at level 4 I don't even think he has access to Fireball yet. and if he's going Necromancy then he's shit out of luck with a character that mostly debuffs and doesn't get the bread and butter spells until much later. Sounds like a player that's more Bluster than Bite or has some severe misconceptions on the rules and their spells... or has watched/read to many reddit necromancer stories. Because lets face it, the wizard will get 1 spell cast before the melee characters are inserting their various weapons inside of his various orifices.
That's awesome improvising! Man that ending, wow! 🤣
I was mildly annoyed at how the DM was tooting his own horn at the beginning, but I gotta give credit where credit is due, the way he weaved his own anger and pettiness into the plot was masterful
I just found this channel and this is mt first video I saw from your chsnnel, and I'm already in love with your channel
I like how the DM handled the problem player yet something about this story just rubs me the wrong way. I mean, I think what the DM did was a good way to handle the situation but something about the story feels off. Maybe it's the OPs gloating of how well the adventure went or how awesome he is as a DM, I don't know. Something about this story just doesn't sit right with me though I have no idea what.
yea, it's the "everyone started clapping because i am so awesome" ending that both breaks any form of realism and changes this from someone getting their comeuppance, to a malicious act.
sometimes as a dm you have to step in an kill a character, but it should never be celebrated.
@@NoESanity How did I not notice this before? It's the "And everyone clapped" ending. So that's why it felt embellished and off. Now I feel stupid for not noticing it sooner.
That is because as a rational human being you see how stupid this whole thing is. All of this could have been solved by simply telling the cheater to leave, but this elaborate setup has to be concocted and then the dm slaps himself on the back for it. It's just about as worse as the cheater.
You have to take most of these stories with a grain of salt, cause imo, most didnt ever happen at least not as presented.
@@greasysmith3150 That is true but even so, a story should now end with "And every clapped" or something similar. It breaks immersion.
The DM wasn't cheating by changing an encounter to better suit the players at his table. He gave them an interesting challenge. One which even the cheating player would have been able to endure, had he not crippled his own elan by cheating. Faced with a circumstance where he couldn't cheat his way out, he was suddenly forced to face the sort of limitations that the other players were already accustomed to. Made him a weak player, and no one was cheated more than himself by his actions. Hope he learned from the experience. Seriously, its the only way to level up.
Lovely. 😆
To sum it up, some people's ban hammers are literal bats or hammers. Mine are spiders!!!
Title: "D&D horror story"
Opening line of story: "We were playing Pathfinder..."
C'mon buddy. If we're clicking on D&D stories, we know what pathfinder is
...as someone newer to D&D, I actually didnt before looking it up after this video.
I was actually thinking, "Did he fire six shots, or just five?"
I’m actually in early for once. Woo 😁
That beginning stutter made me think my headphones were breaking. *panic*
although the player cheated I still think what the dm did was excessive the dm could have handled that in many ways instead he choose that a group of monsters that could only attack one player and only one player could attack , if you take a minute and think about it that player was completely helpless and already dead the dm just called rocks fall on one person . TLDR : don't rocks fall after making a mistake to kill one player .
The DM did all they could in therms of 'maturity' i really don't think anyone can be 'holier than thou' at this person. The DM asked out of story, warned the player, set out boundaries in proper voice, was commanding as a DM should be, gave the ultimatums and nothing worked, this goblin of a player even went as far as arguing that 10 is lower then 5...off course that 0 would still be 10 if the player was rolling damage i presume, sometimes you have to bring the 'mighty hand of god' into the situation, this is one such occasion in which that was perfectly legitimate...and satisfying.
you know I think the rolling thing isn't 100% cheating. ThE dM sHoUlD hAvE BeEn FaStEr! okay in all seriousness I can see how he would be confused with his strategy and I'm still not sure weather 0=0 or if 0=10
Totally first
Everytime I glance at Critcrab playing Skyrim, I am forced to ask myself wtf he is doing
Phase spiders! You monster! Our longtime DM decided to use phase spiders as the foot soldiers of the big bad in our Space Jammer campaign. We are all very much traumatized by the experience. During the final fight when we were being swarmed by the spiders one of the players cracked and shoved a bag of holding into a portable hole causing an explosion that killed a third of the party. From that day forth anytime that DM mentions phase spiders we instinctively jump on him, shouting "Never again!"
Haha, the good o' bad days 😅
Honestly, I think the DM should have just rolled for one of the miss chances; namely their chance to miss him. That's the way I've seen it done. The one making the attack rolls the miss chance, and it should be one way for everyone.
For anyone curious, the flash says: Critcrab is god, critcrab is life, hail critcrab
you can tell a DM is bad when he allows homebrew magic items at character creation
Even I don't do that and I'm a noob DM that is constantly trying to keep flames of my own incompetence at bay. My players are saints X'D
@@supercharliegalaxy Don't worry we all pretend that we are good at this
His mistake was not checking beforehand what the item was like. The problem with homebrew items is that unless it's printed out, the players can fiddle with it all they want.
I believe a good saying for this vid is “when you challenge the word of your god, be prepared to be smite off the plane of existence”
“Phase Spider,” oh that’s cool” *explains the phase spider* “WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?”