Drifting, the real point.....is more about precision control of driving outside of the traction circle....using multiple techniques of manipulation to maneuver while using countersteer......it's not about holding/using maximum (let alone modified) steering angle. Ugh, America did a great job of f*cking up (aka "Americanizing") something requiring time/understanding to achieve precision. Drifting was way more fun, and the community was much tighter when it was about precision....not just "showoff style".
I like how Scott gives Callum so much grief about racing in the Caterham series, but deep down, you can tell Scott is like a proud older brother. I hope.. great content as always!
(Pro performance parts advisor here) - one thing to note...the TEINs are their entry level offering from the 'Street' series, which re-use OEM top mounts. That, in my mind at least, is where a huge amount of slop/play can come from along with their softer spring rates. As cheap lows they're probably the only acceptable option that isn't anywhere near a grand...but something higher tier like the Flex Z would've been on MeisterR's Clubrace level. (Not biased, I sell both MeisterR and TEIN coilovers and actually run/have run both personally along with BCs and a few others over the years). Good video lads, great to see someone digging deeper into this "spend money good - save money bad".
These videos are what is making RUclips carry on! Well done! Will you ever have a test of bags vs coilovers with track times? That would be interesting, there is no other video like that!
@@nebsampson8991 The changes would not be drastically different between changing dampers but would definitely affect steering. So initial alignment would be slightly off between damper sets
Every single time I watch one of your videos I'm blown away by how low your subscriber count is. These videos are perfection (if a little short). Don't fall in to the usual trap of trying to one up yourselves all the time like every other series / channel / show seems to do. Your relationship is what makes it work and as Top Gear has shown, that is gold dust. But you're relatable too. As Ali G said; Keep it real
Curious if it would still be as noticeable if you tweak the setup for each set with preload and damping if possible. But man, this has got to be a dream job! Just driving around a track and drifting in the rain, perfect! 👌
@@tturi2 In a sentence, you've basically nailed it - these particular TEINs are somewhat out of their comfort zone on track but would be excellent on a slightly uneven B road for the most part; especially if it was the driver's first RWD car. You essentially want to have that car as soft as possible before it gets overly wallowy. For what it's worth too, the TEINs in question here do also have adjustable damping (Street Advance Zs generally do, Street Basis Z don't) - that, in turn, can also help iron out some of the roll, squat and dive.
The more expensive coil overs will likely come pre-adjusted close to where they need to be, while the cheaper ones would need to be adjusted and are likely setup soft for the street. I'd be interested in how close the middle priced ones could get, to the expensive ones, after adjusting preload, compression, and rebound.
The more expensive coilovers come pre-adjusted because they were actually engineered specifically for the platform. Also, adjusting preload isn't a thing on linear rate springs. This is only marketed as a "feature" on cheap quality two piece coilovers like the Tein and Meister R. You won't find preload adjustable on actual engineered race shocks because A. they are using linear rate springs so it doesn't matter if you have .5" of preload or 2" of preload as the effective rate is the same and B. they are one piece shocks
@@BlakeEM That is not what that is on the one piece shocks lol. Let's break it down, the cheap two piece coilovers have separate preload and height adjustment. The former is done by the higher adjuster and locking ring while the height adjustment is done with the lower locking ring. The height on one piece shocks are done ONLY with adjusting the spring perch. Let me be clear - there is no separate preload adjustment on one piece shocks. This is by design as preload is not a thing on linear rate springs. For example: Let's say the spring rate on spring X is 500 lbs/in with no preload. Want to guess what the spring rate on spring X is with 5" of preload? It's a trick question, since it's the same except now you've reduced total spring travel before binding. They aren't on race shocks for a reason.
That's just it - the cheaper options recommend a specific preload spec so you can't adjust that, and they don't have separate adjustments for compression and rebound (though these Xidas are also single adjustable). The knobs on the cheap shocks don't have as much effect as the knobs on the more expensive ones, ultimately.
Scott had the best drift. It was the smoothest and you can tell he was completely in control. Second was Will, it has the most angle but you can tell that it wasn't as smooth
I feel they are both good for different reasons, donut being a over the top, bit more of a "story" and probably less factual, but still entertainment. Where as this is alot more simple, a bit goofy and whacky, but also informative and feels like just 3 mates making youtube videos. Donut feels more like TV. Both entertainment, just different 🤷🏼♂️
12:01 was absolutely not the start of a boring 20 seconds (actually about 40). Especially with the recent F1 focus on RBR's "anti-dive" suspension. You provided a concise explanation of one aspect of setting up a car, and how the suspension plays a significant role.
These videos are entertaining and informative. I actually have 2001 MX-5 and was trying to decide whether I go with higher end coil overs or worry more about the “right” price (aka find some for cheap). Since I’m doing track days, I think waiting to get the best ones I can is a good idea.
One thing I've learned from messing with dirt bike suspension. The hardware can be important, but the SETUP is everything. Better hardware enables a good setup, and fewer compromises. But the best hardware in the world, set up wrong for the environment or for the user, can easily be worse than an incredible POS that happens to be right for the job at hand. This is why stock El Cheapo suspension is usually better than coilovers. The factory cut costs of the parts, but they put a lot of work into choosing spring and damping rates.
Years ago I had Tein SS in a NA Miata, super over sprung and under dampened. My NB has Bilstein coil overs with progressive springs and it’s 100% better at everything (it’s a street car that goes autocross)
I'd like to have seen these driven on the road. The high spring rates and other aspects of race coilovers could make for a less effective road car. I think for a road driver, the Tein's are a good buy.
We would love to see that too. Customers with Xidas report that even with higher spring rates than cheaper options, they still ride better on the road by virtue of superior valving and damper stroke.
No, because they literally said the most expensive one took the curbs better despite the higher spring rate, the damping wall still better. And they do offer them with softer springs as well (although I think they removed the very soft options from non-custom orders on NA - NB Xidas because they have now developped the Tecna for street applications). Personnally I'd love to see a comparison between Xida - Tecna - Fox - Öhlins and anything else that would be in a 1500-2500 price range within a close range of spring rates.
Great video. Only thing for me is: how do they stack up for normal road driving? The teins giving body roll means less aggressive damping which you want for roads, but add ARB. If all else equal, less rolly coilovers would just be stiffer damping which would be unusable on the road. Whereas street coilovers like the teins can do both just not as good at each task. Or is that not how it works (I have Tein street basis on my nbfl/mk2.5 mx5 and they're nicer on the road at speedbump scraping height than some stock height cars 😂)
Would be great to know what happened to the M3. Maybe its condition was just too bad to do anything with it (except selling it for parts, as was suggested more than once in the comments on that video)
@@tomm1413 Not to my knowledge, I too would like to know what happened with that. If they addressed it in a community post I might have missed it though (depending on what happened to the M3 that might be a more suitable format than a video)
Are the better coilovers better because they are more expensive or because they have a more appropriate spring rate, bump setting and rebound setting for track driving? Would cheap coilovers with the same settings be the same?
Good video but one of the main advantages as you spend more on coilovers is the range of settings you can adjust. Also since I'm guessing you left them in out of the box settings it could have just been the difference in settings that allowed you to tell them apart
acutally the middle option(MeisterR Clubsport) have more adjustbility than the expensive option(Supermiatas Xidas), due to the MeisterR being dual perch.
@@KavinFan0803 The ClubRace being a two piece shock, have about 50mm less travel than Xidas, so yes, you are forced to decide whether you have no droop travel or no bump travel with that "adjustment". With the one piece, full travel Xida, no such compromise is required, while they have more bump and droop than the ClubRace at either end. Having easily adjustable door hinges on your car isn't necessarily a good thing :)
Basically all I learn from these videos is that money doesn’t equal value but you don’t want to buy the cheapest and that the most impactful mod is the driver mod.
I don’t think I’ve seen a comparison like this. Found it really interesting! Would anyone be interested in stock suspension with stiff anti roll bars vs stiff suspension with standard / soft ARBs?
The whole point of coilovers is that they are adjustable, any given set can have a wide range of spring and damper stiffness and even ride height control, my point is that you should be able to get them a lot closer than that if you go out and tune them before running them. The main difference in high and low end comes down to two things, one being durability of course, and the other is damper valve tuning, there are different valve sizes in them which change rebound and compression relative to each other, but not stiffness, however this is not the difference they were feeling, its obvious from the video that the low end ones were tuned very wallowy and loose and the high end ones were tightened up.
Thats not how it works. No matter what you do to those Teins they will never be anywhere near the Xida in handling or ride quality. Spring rates and turning a knob to change dampening mean little if the dampers cant keep up.
i have the tein on both my miata and my e87 bmw, and i love them. had the bilstein b14 before the tein on my bmw. i use it daily, and on some trackdays. at my driving skill and with the rest of the chassis still stock, the b14 were definitely overkill. they were good, but i prefered both the feeling AND comfort from the tein.
Against this belief, better dampers will help you at all driving levels. When it comes to suspension the take away should be that you buy once instead of buying several bad options before arriving at the good option.
I think when it's done in such a simple order it makes it easier to tell, should have done middle then cheap then expensive or something along those lines
What a great video. As the fun factor of the videos is important, I wouldn’t mind a 2nd channel where you could elaborate a bit more about the tech side of the tests, mods, etc …l For this one, I am interested in what was done to keep alignement as close as possible, which spring rates were used, what damper settings were chosen, ….
There is 100% a big difference on track. But there is a much bigger difference on the road. Premium coilovers have a firm ride but still manage to ride bumps well. Cheap ones feel awful on bumps. You can get a bit of a feel for that on curbs on a track but it's still predictable. Changing and multiple bumps on a public road it could not be more obvious.
That's the point people dont get, telling "I don't need expensive, good suspension because I dont use my car at track". They couldnt be more wrong. Road is actually a far more challenging than track to any shock and spring combo.
@rafallo1333 100%. I have always gone relatively cheap (not ebay crap, still a named brand) but when I had my RS6 I needed to replace the DRC suspension as they always go wrong. I decided a car like that needed decent coilovers as i had driven one on bad ones and it was horrible. So I went with Bilstein PSS9's. I was blown away by the difference.
My vote goes to Scott for the drift. I was actually looking at the tein flex z or meister r for my nc2 lol it's awesome to see them in action comparing each other on a NC
I've had a set of tein flex z on one of my cars for the last 2 years. They've done wonderfully. I couldn't have asked for more for the price, and they still feel like new 20k miles later.
@@unstablegamingbeta4660 obviously if you have the money to spend, I'd go with a better set. But, if you just don't want to spend the money, they are perfectly usable, and should do everything you want, short of hard track use. I don't have experience with them on the miata though, so keep that in mind. My set was on a '13 infiniti g37.
@@NG-VQ37VHR honestly I'm thinking about going with them over the meister r because of the price. They might see a track 3-6 times a year at most. I just want to lower it some and adjust the damper rates for the street. Lots of good and bad roads where I'm at
I ran meister R CRD+ on my MR2 roadster (2zz). They were firm but acceptable on road, but excelled on track days and the nurburgring. Really depends on your priority for the car.
One more thing(amongst many things) to consider e.g. the Clubrace are running stiffer springs compared to the Tein(if I remember it correctly), meaning would be better suited with a lower TW tire (in general). Which could give even more difference in the driving feel and performance between the two.
Did you re-align the suspension each time you swapped coil-overs? Removing any suspension hardware and re-installing different hardware has a tendency to throw the alignment off, even if you are very careful. And that difference in alignment would be noticeable too.
Yes this would have had a profound effect on the handling characteristics, and hence the decision over which was best. You also have to bear in mind (having had a set of Meister-R CRD on my old MX-5), the damping adjustment makes a massive difference, and there are 30+ settings! Ultimately i would suggest a well set up 'mid-range' coilover is better than a poorly set up 'high-end' setup. Personally i'd spent the money on the Meisters, have it 4 wheel aligned and corner weighted and it'll transform it.
I track an 07 GTI and swapped in a set of $1400 YCW reference coilovers on camberplates. My buddy had installed a set of respectable $700 H&R street coilovers in his MkVI GTI. We swapped cars for a few laps and he said he immediately felt the difference in grip and connection to track. You do get more bang for the buck as you climb the ladder. Low end coils are for street drivers that only care about stance and nothing more. They bounce, squeak and clunk. The only thing is that the high end are for cars set up for track use and are so much overkill on the street with even occasional track use, unless of course you are a bragger at the local tire shop.
It's interesting because with dirt bikes and motorcycles, quality suspension is pretty noticeable. In my mind they should handle small and big bumps with more composure, returning to a neutral state faster. Just observing front end dive under very hard breaking can tell you a lot.
But surely this is all to do with the default setup of the springs and dampers of each coilover set? Idk of Tein have much adjustment, but the more expensive ones will probably have more. Surely the only difference is adjustment range and durability?
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Will's drift is the one for me! Loads of angle and kept it going and even started to flick it back the other way!
Drifting, the real point.....is more about precision control of driving outside of the traction circle....using multiple techniques of manipulation to maneuver while using countersteer......it's not about holding/using maximum (let alone modified) steering angle. Ugh, America did a great job of f*cking up (aka "Americanizing") something requiring time/understanding to achieve precision.
Drifting was way more fun, and the community was much tighter when it was about precision....not just "showoff style".
@@mfohawk6779 you must be fun at parties
Will aka "DK"
@@mfohawk6779 shut up
@@abellsatime378 he doesnt get invited
Will's drift gets my vote
Definitely. Wasn't as smooth as Scott but he ain't a racing driver.
100% agree - bloody good throttle control too from what I could see.
I like how Scott gives Callum so much grief about racing in the Caterham series, but deep down, you can tell Scott is like a proud older brother. I hope.. great content as always!
Callum just tweeted that he got pole and won his first race too.
@@MaxPower417 He is going to insufferable.
(Pro performance parts advisor here) - one thing to note...the TEINs are their entry level offering from the 'Street' series, which re-use OEM top mounts. That, in my mind at least, is where a huge amount of slop/play can come from along with their softer spring rates. As cheap lows they're probably the only acceptable option that isn't anywhere near a grand...but something higher tier like the Flex Z would've been on MeisterR's Clubrace level.
(Not biased, I sell both MeisterR and TEIN coilovers and actually run/have run both personally along with BCs and a few others over the years).
Good video lads, great to see someone digging deeper into this "spend money good - save money bad".
Suggestion for fast road style driving set up on an M140i?
@Adam-M1 honestly, I've had a lot of good feedback on BCs. As a circa 1k option, they're quite versatile and pretty capable.
Fck it im asking it as well 😅 whats your best suggestion for a fiesta st?
@@MartijndeRondeDesigner which one?
@@MattBeardless mk7
Aggressive, on the edge but in control = Will the drift king.
"in control"😂
Édit: obviously, I vote for will!
@@nicolasherve6738 Sarcasm 😆
@@pizzmo8256 I don't know, Scott one looks in control, also he seems to get more angle....
These videos are what is making RUclips carry on! Well done! Will you ever have a test of bags vs coilovers with track times? That would be interesting, there is no other video like that!
Somehow i highly doubt they did alignment between those changes. Therefore this driving experience is highly skewed.
@@hagestad Why would you doubt that? The car would be borderline undrivable without some sort of an alignment
@@hagestad nono I mean a whole new video comparing the same car on bags and on coilovers, to see if bags are really that slow compared to coilovers
@@nebsampson8991 The changes would not be drastically different between changing dampers but would definitely affect steering. So initial alignment would be slightly off between damper sets
@@hagestad This is also a very good point to be honest, I'll ask Callum...
It wouldn't be an Overdrive video if it wasn't raining on the track. Super fun to watch as always!
England in a nutshell really.
They ARE British after all
As an MX-5 owner, I thank you for testing out the grail coilovers at these three budgets. They are the beasts!
i`m saving this video for later reference. I was already looking for the meister r coilovers, but now I`m pretty sure they are the ones.
Every single time I watch one of your videos I'm blown away by how low your subscriber count is.
These videos are perfection (if a little short). Don't fall in to the usual trap of trying to one up yourselves all the time like every other series / channel / show seems to do. Your relationship is what makes it work and as Top Gear has shown, that is gold dust. But you're relatable too.
As Ali G said; Keep it real
Wouldn't say they've got a low subscriber count. But they're defiantly deserving of more.
Curious if it would still be as noticeable if you tweak the setup for each set with preload and damping if possible. But man, this has got to be a dream job! Just driving around a track and drifting in the rain, perfect! 👌
the better dampers will still be better, tein is still a good set though, just more a sporty road car coilover vs road track vs race to win
@@tturi2 In a sentence, you've basically nailed it - these particular TEINs are somewhat out of their comfort zone on track but would be excellent on a slightly uneven B road for the most part; especially if it was the driver's first RWD car.
You essentially want to have that car as soft as possible before it gets overly wallowy. For what it's worth too, the TEINs in question here do also have adjustable damping (Street Advance Zs generally do, Street Basis Z don't) - that, in turn, can also help iron out some of the roll, squat and dive.
Wait a minute, this isn't hi-low
😂😂😂👌
Hi-what?! 😯😂😀🤘
So hard to tell on the drift. But Scott held it the longest and seemed effective. Takumi would be proud.
The more expensive coil overs will likely come pre-adjusted close to where they need to be, while the cheaper ones would need to be adjusted and are likely setup soft for the street. I'd be interested in how close the middle priced ones could get, to the expensive ones, after adjusting preload, compression, and rebound.
The more expensive coilovers come pre-adjusted because they were actually engineered specifically for the platform. Also, adjusting preload isn't a thing on linear rate springs. This is only marketed as a "feature" on cheap quality two piece coilovers like the Tein and Meister R. You won't find preload adjustable on actual engineered race shocks because A. they are using linear rate springs so it doesn't matter if you have .5" of preload or 2" of preload as the effective rate is the same and B. they are one piece shocks
I can tell from experience, putting Xida's on an mx5 without any adjustment makes it look like a whale sits in it.
@@BlakeEM That is not what that is on the one piece shocks lol. Let's break it down, the cheap two piece coilovers have separate preload and height adjustment. The former is done by the higher adjuster and locking ring while the height adjustment is done with the lower locking ring. The height on one piece shocks are done ONLY with adjusting the spring perch. Let me be clear - there is no separate preload adjustment on one piece shocks. This is by design as preload is not a thing on linear rate springs. For example: Let's say the spring rate on spring X is 500 lbs/in with no preload. Want to guess what the spring rate on spring X is with 5" of preload? It's a trick question, since it's the same except now you've reduced total spring travel before binding. They aren't on race shocks for a reason.
@@DrOllie-ve2dv haha. Yep, Xidas don't come pre-adjusted to anything!
That's just it - the cheaper options recommend a specific preload spec so you can't adjust that, and they don't have separate adjustments for compression and rebound (though these Xidas are also single adjustable). The knobs on the cheap shocks don't have as much effect as the knobs on the more expensive ones, ultimately.
Surprised this channel doesn’t have the subscribers it deserves
Brilliant work fellas
Scott had the best drift. It was the smoothest and you can tell he was completely in control. Second was Will, it has the most angle but you can tell that it wasn't as smooth
Scott explaining how adjustable dampers work is the opposite of boring.
Congrats on the 400k subs boys!
Will's drift was excellent, he just kept it going with a big angle
Donut media who
Fr their content is so out of touch
I prefer Overdrive over Donut by far.
I feel they are both good for different reasons, donut being a over the top, bit more of a "story" and probably less factual, but still entertainment. Where as this is alot more simple, a bit goofy and whacky, but also informative and feels like just 3 mates making youtube videos. Donut feels more like TV. Both entertainment, just different 🤷🏼♂️
facts and collector car feed👀👀
12:01 was absolutely not the start of a boring 20 seconds (actually about 40). Especially with the recent F1 focus on RBR's "anti-dive" suspension. You provided a concise explanation of one aspect of setting up a car, and how the suspension plays a significant role.
A racing driver, an engineer and a car nerd.. Best description ever..
I love this channel, short intro, perfect team, frequent uploads..
These videos are entertaining and informative. I actually have 2001 MX-5 and was trying to decide whether I go with higher end coil overs or worry more about the “right” price (aka find some for cheap). Since I’m doing track days, I think waiting to get the best ones I can is a good idea.
One thing I've learned from messing with dirt bike suspension. The hardware can be important, but the SETUP is everything. Better hardware enables a good setup, and fewer compromises. But the best hardware in the world, set up wrong for the environment or for the user, can easily be worse than an incredible POS that happens to be right for the job at hand. This is why stock El Cheapo suspension is usually better than coilovers. The factory cut costs of the parts, but they put a lot of work into choosing spring and damping rates.
Years ago I had Tein SS in a NA Miata, super over sprung and under dampened. My NB has Bilstein coil overs with progressive springs and it’s 100% better at everything (it’s a street car that goes autocross)
Im surpriced Callum didn't bin it in the drifting competition🤔
Surprised/disappointed - interchangeable words in the circumstances!
I think the title doesn't do justice to the video! What an original execution of this vs concept! Good job guys!
Definitely need more content with this Mx-5, probably one of the best videos so far!
Please be sure to clean the lenses next time... it annoyed the hell out of me 😂
I'd like to have seen these driven on the road. The high spring rates and other aspects of race coilovers could make for a less effective road car. I think for a road driver, the Tein's are a good buy.
We would love to see that too. Customers with Xidas report that even with higher spring rates than cheaper options, they still ride better on the road by virtue of superior valving and damper stroke.
No, because they literally said the most expensive one took the curbs better despite the higher spring rate, the damping wall still better. And they do offer them with softer springs as well (although I think they removed the very soft options from non-custom orders on NA - NB Xidas because they have now developped the Tecna for street applications).
Personnally I'd love to see a comparison between Xida - Tecna - Fox - Öhlins and anything else that would be in a 1500-2500 price range within a close range of spring rates.
That was won by Will, hands down! Scott's drift was clean, Callum's was good, but Will's was flamboyant!
Great video. Only thing for me is: how do they stack up for normal road driving? The teins giving body roll means less aggressive damping which you want for roads, but add ARB. If all else equal, less rolly coilovers would just be stiffer damping which would be unusable on the road. Whereas street coilovers like the teins can do both just not as good at each task. Or is that not how it works (I have Tein street basis on my nbfl/mk2.5 mx5 and they're nicer on the road at speedbump scraping height than some stock height cars 😂)
“How much do you want to copy donut media?” Them, “YES!!”
This gives me strong Money Pit vibes and I'm all for it
Hi low specifically but yeah, more of the good stuff is more good stuff imo
@@geoffwatches different budgets is a hi-lo thing, but back to back testing on a miata is a money pit thing
I love how they slowly turning into old top gear keep it up m8👍
This channel deserves at least 10x the current subscriber count.
April 19, 2023 it’s at 401k
Awesome video yet again! And congrats on 400K! I have been wondering how the M3 is doing though 😉
Would be great to know what happened to the M3. Maybe its condition was just too bad to do anything with it (except selling it for parts, as was suggested more than once in the comments on that video)
@@merobo5066 yeah I know, but I still would love to know the entire story. Did they ever mentioned something about this?
@@tomm1413 Not to my knowledge, I too would like to know what happened with that. If they addressed it in a community post I might have missed it though (depending on what happened to the M3 that might be a more suitable format than a video)
Are the better coilovers better because they are more expensive or because they have a more appropriate spring rate, bump setting and rebound setting for track driving? Would cheap coilovers with the same settings be the same?
the quality of the dampers is a big part of it, and cheap coilovers don’t have much control over rebound etc
you cannot achieve "same settings" on cheap two-piece shit dampers, thats the point
JUST GOT BACK FROM SCHOOL AND SAW THIS THANK U MY DAY HAS BEEN BORING THIS CHEERS ME UP :D
Good video but one of the main advantages as you spend more on coilovers is the range of settings you can adjust. Also since I'm guessing you left them in out of the box settings it could have just been the difference in settings that allowed you to tell them apart
All the shocks were set to baseline settings, not necessarily out of the box. It's not just a settings difference, I can promise you that.
acutally the middle option(MeisterR Clubsport) have more adjustbility than the expensive option(Supermiatas Xidas), due to the MeisterR being dual perch.
@@KavinFan0803 The ClubRace being a two piece shock, have about 50mm less travel than Xidas, so yes, you are forced to decide whether you have no droop travel or no bump travel with that "adjustment". With the one piece, full travel Xida, no such compromise is required, while they have more bump and droop than the ClubRace at either end. Having easily adjustable door hinges on your car isn't necessarily a good thing :)
That's a man that's comfortable around cars!' that look as he stood with the door open leaning on the roof😂😂😂
Will was the best drift but scott had more overall control
this is a really good way to do this test not knowing whats what!
Basically all I learn from these videos is that money doesn’t equal value but you don’t want to buy the cheapest and that the most impactful mod is the driver mod.
The best mod is sticky tyres. The real test is to get a lap time using each type of damper and see if it improves your time.
I don’t think I’ve seen a comparison like this. Found it really interesting!
Would anyone be interested in stock suspension with stiff anti roll bars vs stiff suspension with standard / soft ARBs?
The pit camera guy must have been gutted when he saw mark on his lens at the end of the day.
I can’t stop seeing it and it’s annoying 😂
Wills drift was nice
This was a fun one. Great drifting all around. I want that MX5. 🙂
2:12
I like the timing of the background music. Don't know if it's intentional but i think it's a funny timing with the movements of the car :)
Scott on the drift just clean.
Loving the content, guys. Keep up the awesome work. Cheers from Hawaii 🤙
Congrats for reaching 400k subs!
This channel has quickly become one of my fav channels on youtube consistently release bomb ass content
The whole point of coilovers is that they are adjustable, any given set can have a wide range of spring and damper stiffness and even ride height control, my point is that you should be able to get them a lot closer than that if you go out and tune them before running them. The main difference in high and low end comes down to two things, one being durability of course, and the other is damper valve tuning, there are different valve sizes in them which change rebound and compression relative to each other, but not stiffness, however this is not the difference they were feeling, its obvious from the video that the low end ones were tuned very wallowy and loose and the high end ones were tightened up.
Thats not how it works. No matter what you do to those Teins they will never be anywhere near the Xida in handling or ride quality. Spring rates and turning a knob to change dampening mean little if the dampers cant keep up.
i have the tein on both my miata and my e87 bmw, and i love them. had the bilstein b14 before the tein on my bmw. i use it daily, and on some trackdays.
at my driving skill and with the rest of the chassis still stock, the b14 were definitely overkill. they were good, but i prefered both the feeling AND comfort from the tein.
Against this belief, better dampers will help you at all driving levels. When it comes to suspension the take away should be that you buy once instead of buying several bad options before arriving at the good option.
The business should be called Damp&Damper
Will's drift was best; I think he's had more practise yobbing around supermarket carparks than Scott or Callum!
I think when it's done in such a simple order it makes it easier to tell, should have done middle then cheap then expensive or something along those lines
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“If in doubt….. flat out”
What a great video. As the fun factor of the videos is important, I wouldn’t mind a 2nd channel where you could elaborate a bit more about the tech side of the tests, mods, etc …l For this one, I am interested in what was done to keep alignement as close as possible, which spring rates were used, what damper settings were chosen, ….
There is 100% a big difference on track. But there is a much bigger difference on the road. Premium coilovers have a firm ride but still manage to ride bumps well. Cheap ones feel awful on bumps. You can get a bit of a feel for that on curbs on a track but it's still predictable. Changing and multiple bumps on a public road it could not be more obvious.
That's the point people dont get, telling "I don't need expensive, good suspension because I dont use my car at track". They couldnt be more wrong. Road is actually a far more challenging than track to any shock and spring combo.
@rafallo1333 100%. I have always gone relatively cheap (not ebay crap, still a named brand) but when I had my RS6 I needed to replace the DRC suspension as they always go wrong. I decided a car like that needed decent coilovers as i had driven one on bad ones and it was horrible. So I went with Bilstein PSS9's. I was blown away by the difference.
My vote goes to Scott for the drift. I was actually looking at the tein flex z or meister r for my nc2 lol it's awesome to see them in action comparing each other on a NC
I've had a set of tein flex z on one of my cars for the last 2 years. They've done wonderfully. I couldn't have asked for more for the price, and they still feel like new 20k miles later.
@@NG-VQ37VHR I've driven an frs with flex z and loved them. I've heard they feel different on the Miata but the price alone keeps me interested
@@unstablegamingbeta4660 obviously if you have the money to spend, I'd go with a better set. But, if you just don't want to spend the money, they are perfectly usable, and should do everything you want, short of hard track use.
I don't have experience with them on the miata though, so keep that in mind. My set was on a '13 infiniti g37.
@@NG-VQ37VHR honestly I'm thinking about going with them over the meister r because of the price. They might see a track 3-6 times a year at most. I just want to lower it some and adjust the damper rates for the street. Lots of good and bad roads where I'm at
I ran meister R CRD+ on my MR2 roadster (2zz). They were firm but acceptable on road, but excelled on track days and the nurburgring. Really depends on your priority for the car.
One more thing(amongst many things) to consider e.g. the Clubrace are running stiffer springs compared to the Tein(if I remember it correctly), meaning would be better suited with a lower TW tire (in general). Which could give even more difference in the driving feel and performance between the two.
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Scott's drift was precise
Callum's was calculated
Will was just having fun
Will did the best drift. Good angle 👌
Dount media did this exact video already 😂
Keep it up guys. Love the content
My week only begins after a new Overdrive pisode!
Donut Media Hi Low series lookin a little different lmaoo
Just waiting for the comments saying "This guys are just like the OG Top Gear trio" or something like that
Will absolutely sent that drift😎
8:01 callum after going into the grass: OHHH GOOD OVER THE KERBS 😂
Don't call ut boring, us nerds love to hear you talk about load shifting
Scott’s was objectively the best drift. Smoothest with the best angle carried the best distance
The British Donut media, I'm all about it
None can compete my $3.5 spring from pen.
Liked this one 👍🏼👍🏼 good to see money can still buy good components rather than just a brand 👍🏼
Callum had the best drift.
*Side note: I wish your videos were longer. Slow down and let them simmer.
Keep it up boys!
the conversations between your producer and the carpet man were pure class. hilarious :D
Did you re-align the suspension each time you swapped coil-overs? Removing any suspension hardware and re-installing different hardware has a tendency to throw the alignment off, even if you are very careful. And that difference in alignment would be noticeable too.
Yes this would have had a profound effect on the handling characteristics, and hence the decision over which was best. You also have to bear in mind (having had a set of Meister-R CRD on my old MX-5), the damping adjustment makes a massive difference, and there are 30+ settings!
Ultimately i would suggest a well set up 'mid-range' coilover is better than a poorly set up 'high-end' setup. Personally i'd spent the money on the Meisters, have it 4 wheel aligned and corner weighted and it'll transform it.
Where is the best place to buy aftermarkets parts. I always get confused and some sites look weird.
Congratulations on 400k Boys 🎉
Another brilliant video with extremely useful information.
Great Video ... Couldn't help noticing the Astra STI... Will the trio make a comeback? 👀
She lives again!
i like callum's drift, quite consistent, quite accurate
I track an 07 GTI and swapped in a set of $1400 YCW reference coilovers on camberplates. My buddy had installed a set of respectable $700 H&R street coilovers in his MkVI GTI. We swapped cars for a few laps and he said he immediately felt the difference in grip and connection to track. You do get more bang for the buck as you climb the ladder. Low end coils are for street drivers that only care about stance and nothing more. They bounce, squeak and clunk. The only thing is that the high end are for cars set up for track use and are so much overkill on the street with even occasional track use, unless of course you are a bragger at the local tire shop.
Might seem like you just pointed out the obvious but I've been waiting for this video for 15 years. And Will's study was best!
Scott's drift for me, beautifully controlled throughout, I liked will's drift but the jerky mid drift adjustments made it look less controlled.
Donut wants its Hi-Lo series back :D
Absolutely love your videos! Keep it up gents
Congratulations on 400K, next is 500k 🎉
Awesome review of two of the most popular coilovers for Miata’s, the Xidas and the MeisterR. Would love to see how the Flyin Miata Fox compare.
As amazing as Scott is every time he gets on track, Will takes the top step of the podium in this one.
It's interesting because with dirt bikes and motorcycles, quality suspension is pretty noticeable. In my mind they should handle small and big bumps with more composure, returning to a neutral state faster. Just observing front end dive under very hard breaking can tell you a lot.
I love the mixture of professional and clown that Scott has.
Will had the best drift
But surely this is all to do with the default setup of the springs and dampers of each coilover set? Idk of Tein have much adjustment, but the more expensive ones will probably have more.
Surely the only difference is adjustment range and durability?
These guys are becoming British donut media
Scott wins the Super Formula Drift 9000 but good effort from Will and Callum.
These guys are slowly turning into the British version of Donut Media