@@nankangtyreuk6436 Dunno. It wasn't me who had the trouble (although I've certainly got cars home with new tires inflated at max rated pressure). Tire changers would seem to be the target audience for any instructional verbiage.
@@desirefusion532 I don’t believe that was really the case, otherwise they wouldn’t have even tried the semi slicks. So I think this is something they will/should do in a future episode
@@desirefusion532 Carpets and interior are all impractical, they get wet, dirty, and wear out. When i stripped my CRX down to bare metal with a single plastic racing bucket and did a stage 1 NA tune, weighed under 1000lbs, it would float over rough stuff and fly like a WRC car over cattle grates at full send, and you want practicality? I can hose out the 50-100lbs of desert i pick up in the form of cowshit, dust and gravel during a drive. I was a rollcage and a few other mods away from passing tech for rally when a drunk driver t-boned me and wrecked it.
This is so cool. It feels a lot more "real" than what top gear used to do. That being said, i am waiting for you to do the final time run using a massively over tuned setup and the let the engine detonate as it goes over the line.
@@OxxidCZ it seems like this track has more twisties (I wish they had done a birds eye of the track layout). But they are relatively cheap options to get the car as flat as possible, esp because most things power related, like injectors, rails, tune, turbos, cams etc will be pretty expensive ... (plus CONTENT!) lol
There are a lot of youtube channels that try to emulate the old school top gear feel, but this is one of the only channels that actually pulls it off! Love the direction you're going with your videos!
This comment sums up very well the overall feel of this series, reminiscent of old top gear but with enough personality of their own to feel fresh and new.
When you look at how cringe making bad the American version of Top Gear is with it's huge budget and C-List celebrities, you appreciate just how well theses lads are doing. The banter feels real on this channel, but so obviously staged and false on TG America. Together with Driver 61, Scott's channels are also way more informed and informative. The Formula 1 analysis is especially good.
I think Car Throttle is pretty good as well. Also reminiscent of the old Top Gear. 3 Brits doing shenanigans with cars, all sorts of challenges and some pretty good banter as well.
Super happy with your tire choice!! If you are doing brakes next, please for the love of god don’t but a big Brembo brake kit. Big brakes only help with heat dissipation, letting you get full performance lap after lap. If you’re only doing a few laps, get some quality fluid and track pads, like carbotech xp24s. Will squeal really loudly below 300 degrees but when warm, they quiet down and BITE
A bbk with opposed piston calipers makes a huge difference to pedal feel and confidence, so you can modulate better and trail brake for longer. Its not just about heat dissipation.
You can most likely get enough braking torque from the stock caliper to lock up the wheels, aka the maximum braking torque you can use. Even those grippy tires can still be locked up most likely. An aggressive pad compound and a quality rotor is all thats needed. Centric 125 series high carbon rotors and hawk hp + pads would be my recommendation if available.
They can't focus too much on braking. Brakes alone aren't going to solve their 6 second problem and they can easily eat up 3k in a brake setup. The op is right, pads, better rotors and fresh fluid will be enough for a single lap. This is a sprint not a Marathon
@@vr6one you're right. On this budget and for this purpose, a BBK is probably overkill. If I was in their shoes, I'd probably do pads, a flush and maybe braided lines. I suspect the best improvement will be when they inevitably strip it.
I've seen plenty of rally subarus sparking their brakes like that, looks so dramatic especially at night! Went to a night winter rally where they had studded tyres but went over some tarmac bits, sparks flying everywhere it was frikin awesome
I really do like nankangs, underrated brand imo. Got some as-1's on the daily, ns2's on the weekend car and ns2r's and ar-1s when I go on the track. Really good bang for your buck
Yay is good to have an update on this series. 1) thanks for showing the 3 options and testing them. 2) you guys should definitely check on better brakes and the rest spend it on whatever power upgrades you can afford
Here's some insight from racing the wrx platform. Try 2deg - front camber for less understeer and when you will get to max grip in cornering you will loose oil pressure 😞
Great series however I have some suggestions. Is there a way you can use a more accurate method of timing the laps. Pressing start and stop on your phone is bound to cause incosistencies due to human error and reaction speed. Another is that it is proabably best to do a run of 3 or so laps and take the average as the result you go by.
Adding lightness is going to be the ultimate mod, stripping the interior and anything not essential will do more to make it come alive than all other mods, and it's basically free. Can't wait to see the dash, carpet, window motors, seats and all the useless stuff get torn out. Hell, you could make money back if you ebay the parts.
@@loupcordeille-bougault3474 Lol you don't need interior to daily it, in fact you have more room for groceries making it an even BETTER grocery getter without all that extra stuff lol. I've daily driven plenty of 'lightened' vehicles, better mileage, better performance, spill resistance. It's nice to be able to hose off the interior when it fills up with rocks and dust from the desert. You want it to be a 'supercar'? Lambo uses skateboard grip tape on bare floorboards and CHARGES EXTRA for the 'lightweight' option of no carpet or headliner. And besides, supercars aren't exactly daily drivers, a bigger challenge will be to bring your Lambo to Wal-Mart, Costco, the gym, the vape shop, the post office and Home Depot for a year like it's a Scooby lol.
@@loupcordeille-bougault3474 lol see that new episode? Haha! They even said the same thing I did, more room for groceries lol. It just makes sense to do, they don't stand a chance without losing weight. If they didn't then all the other mods would have been a waste.
The Bridgestone Potenza Sport are Great fast tyres - yes. BUT: they really wear a lot once driven hard (on track), so that’s where the AR1 shines: You can drive the AR1 really fast for a 20-30min stint, the Potenza Sport will get soft after 5-10 minutes and wears a lot
Love that you went with the only right tire choice. You can't go wrong with the best tire possible you can afford. Such an underrated part of a cars overall performance.
I would have loved to see the sport tires with lower pressures than recommended, that is likely how they would be ran at the track anyway due to the extra heat, when compared to street driving, causing higher peak pressures.
In california we call the nankang an "entry level all season tire." Last time I checked the rival 1.5s was the fastest on the market but that was before the new re-71rs was widely available.
Yokohama Advan A052, Falken RT660 and Nankang CR-1 are the best-in-slot 200TW tires now, also faster than the AR-1 in this type of setting because their optimal temperature is super low and they work right away from a standing start :)
Calling AR1's an entry level all season tyre is a bit of a stretch. Potentially you're thinking of the NS2r? Regardless they're still a decent cheap performer. Maybe not on the same level as AO52s etc for autocross though
Cool video and very interesting finding. However, with the freshly fresh tires it’s not gonna be the REAL performance these tires can go to. A retest after the running in on the UHPs and AR1s would be great. The AR1 especially gets SOOO much better after a like 200mi. A bit of scrubbing won’t do enough, IMHO
Stiffening isn't going to do much of anything I don't think. I'm guessing they'll move onto brakes, weight reduction, and yeah more power is required or else they'll never touch the lambo even if it is a short curvy track.
Hate to say it but your a bit off with your description of the AR-1’s, I daily drive a supercharged mk1 mx5 with ar-1’s on the front, they aren’t terrible in the wet unless you hit a lot of standing water, the not uncomfortable, I actually found them more comfortable than the mid range tyres that were on before and they aren’t massively loud on the road, there obviously louder than a more road focused tyre but not very noticeable unless all you do while driving is sit in silence listening to your tyres
Great vid for the most underrated speed upgrade, currently stuck waiting for anything but all-season tires to be back in stock for my stock Miata wheels. Just waiting for this channel to be renamed Brodie Media at this point.
New tires have a mould release compound on the treads. They should have given each set atleast 10 fastlaps to get the tire surface to optimal grip level
The biggest test of budget vs expensive tyres is in wet weather road driving. I've driven some great budget tyres that still hang on to the road in the wet, but if you go too cheap they'll just slide, which is what you don't want!
I know that subi Game well. We build my friends wrx like Bilstein B16 Light wheels with those nankangs Whiteline swaybars front/rear Almost every bushing in the driveline swapped from Rubber to PU Ebc brakes with the yellpwstuff pads and steel braidet lines Basic Performance mods like full exhaust with downpipe and 200cpi kat + katless uppipe Some other Things for thermal Stability A good mapping Never the less, this wrx is am absolut animal on Mountain roads....
I think one of the big advantage of the supercar is the surface contact between the tyres and the road, because they're super wide. There is a reason wide body kits exists and it's not for cosmetics. It's always impressive to see the difference between LeMans GT Porsches and stock Porsches. You should have gone for wider wheels when you bought better tyres !
Ahahah Appletank8 it would need the inner part of the wheel to start outside the body ! But I think the definition of open wheel car is up to subject, as some people argue it should be single seater, or on the contrary some argue a KTM X-Bow is open wheel while it's still contained in the body. And Pog Tuber, the whole point of my com was to get wider rims and wider tyres, and yes I expect it'd have made a lot of difference especially when they're happy with 3s gain with these thin wheels
That's a common misconception right here. Tire size is pretty much only for heat management, the contact patch doesn't change all that much after a certain point.
Aafaik the extra width is to spread the force+heat over more area, allowing the tyres to survive (a bit longer) the abuse of a powerful engine and hard braking. In a single lap a wider wheel might well suffer from being too hard to keep at ideal temps.
You didn’t do 10 hot laps to get the tires warm and to wear off the anti moulding coating on them. You also need to do a series of times laps and take the average of them to get an accurate average
I had AR1s on my 350Z and 330ci and will never buy those tyres again they ware so on and off a grip and you never knew what they going to do, now I'm running Federal 595 RS-Pro and it's such a difference from that over rated crap
there is no way you get 6 sec of lap time with that budget. You need so much more power and grip to do that. Maybe putting a nitrus system on there for more power and suspension tuning will work wonders and wont cost too much, but i dont think it will gain you 6 sec, maybe 1 or 2 sec at best tbh. Brake pads and a good set of calipers/ steel brake lines would make braking better
I'm guessing the track used for the test is the Curborough Sprint Circuit near Lichfield. The AR-1 is going to be my dry track day tyre of choice for my Elise S3. I have only heard good things about that tyre. I've got a set of Nankang NS-2Rs to try first as I've only just started doing track days, having done two so far and thhe NS-2R seems to be a good compromise if there is rain.
I've just got back from Nurburgring for the first time, using AR-1s on the track...i can confirm they are awesome. For context i previously used Ad08R on track and daily Goodyear Eagle F1's asym 5 on my road wheels - Just found your channel -sub'd- i look forward to more. :)
I guess we all know that race tyres need to be hot to provide their best grip. Re. road tyres... Has anyone mentioned the 'rule of thumb' about tyres: they don't give their best grip when absolutely brand new. Apparently, it takes a 100km or so of regular driving, before the surface is at its best. (Happy to be corrected on this point, if anyone has updated info. 🙂)
Well I'm struggling to see where another 6 seconds is in that unless you get real busy with the weight loss. Power might get you something like a couple of seconds if you're lucky but really I think rubber is probably the most effective mod on that track. Maybe chipping at it will add up but I think you're into smaller gains from here.
this exactly the kind of stuff you want to see from a car channel. great comparisons, great content, looking forward to see the development of this humble wagon
Time to gut the pig! Pull everything nonessential out including seats, sound deadening, electric windows and air con, you could maybe go as far as replacing the windows with plastic but that might be difficult. A new set of uprated brake pads at the very least, maybe calipers and rotors if you can fit bigger ones but no need to go down the carbon ceramic route. A professional alignment would be advisable after weight and brakes. After that the only route is probably more power but I still don't think you're going to close the gap
Me, an American that has consumed enough English Media that I should know better; This is a fifty pound tyre Me: wow race tyres are tough This is a hundred pound... Me: wait what the f.. This is a hundred and FIFTY pound Me: oh yeah..
Would be interesting to see how the tyres perform after a few hundred kms since I heard most tyres need to wear off the baking wax of somesort. After being worn in a bit they might peform nicer.
Brakes and tyres similar to the slicks used in this episode gave us our biggest difference in racing. Then weight. Power, bushes, suspension, etc, were very minor
If you are trying to compare times down to a tenths and especially hundredths of a second, get a bluetooth 10Hz GPS receiver and an app for the phone to measure lap times. All together is not more than 100 - 120 £.
All these small improvements to handling are really going to help when they try to squeeze more power out of the car, I have no doubt they'll be able to beat the lambo
wel its 3 sec faster with sparking brakes, maby test is first with some fresh brakes en after that upgrade to some better pads en a vented brake disk for better coolig of the disk for some wat more braking power over stock
Rookie mistake, you can not measure the air pressure on cold tires even on regular tires. From cold 15c tires to 35c warm tires using regular non track tires you end up with pressure going from 2.2 to 2.4 2.5 which is WAY to high and you end up only the middle of the tire wears out. I did that mistake with my first car, once...
Better brakes first. More power later :) I'm sure that the grippier semi-slicks tires will allow for better brakes to be installed while keeping all for wheels in control.
I was expecting that 5sp to split in two for the launches but it held, these WRX GG models need the KIEN gearbox support to hold launches.. it's also another good mod for peace of mind.
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@@nankangtyreuk6436 Dunno. It wasn't me who had the trouble (although I've certainly got cars home with new tires inflated at max rated pressure). Tire changers would seem to be the target audience for any instructional verbiage.
I hope we get a weight loss episode where it's just the three of them cutting as much stuff off the car as possible while keeping it drivable
And road legal
Rear seats, spare tire, roof lining, floor mats, all go!
The original challenge was the keep it more practical than a super car so they couldn’t really reduce weight much
Adding lightness is the ultimate mod, i say strip it bare, window motor, power locks, wipers, dash, carpets headliner and anything non critical.
@@desirefusion532 I don’t believe that was really the case, otherwise they wouldn’t have even tried the semi slicks. So I think this is something they will/should do in a future episode
@@desirefusion532 Carpets and interior are all impractical, they get wet, dirty, and wear out. When i stripped my CRX down to bare metal with a single plastic racing bucket and did a stage 1 NA tune, weighed under 1000lbs, it would float over rough stuff and fly like a WRC car over cattle grates at full send, and you want practicality? I can hose out the 50-100lbs of desert i pick up in the form of cowshit, dust and gravel during a drive.
I was a rollcage and a few other mods away from passing tech for rally when a drunk driver t-boned me and wrecked it.
This is so cool. It feels a lot more "real" than what top gear used to do. That being said, i am waiting for you to do the final time run using a massively over tuned setup and the let the engine detonate as it goes over the line.
And for our final modification we decided to remove the fuel system and just run pure JP5 fuel 💁♂
It is a subaru...
@@markredacted8547 E85 would do the job even better - it's a turbo
Top gear is just bs so yeah
@@sepg5084 lol you dont like top gear 🤣
Love this! Hope they do chassis stiffening (poly bushings, motor mounts, sway bars, etc.) as well as those brakes lol
doesn't help times as much as it improves the driver's feeling. Also it's much more important on higher speed tracks.
@@OxxidCZ it seems like this track has more twisties (I wish they had done a birds eye of the track layout). But they are relatively cheap options to get the car as flat as possible, esp because most things power related, like injectors, rails, tune, turbos, cams etc will be pretty expensive ... (plus CONTENT!) lol
@@akaSUPERMAN +1 they should get a drone for aerial camera shots
Front lower control arm rear bushings in poly or delrin will improve grip significantly. All others will be marginal improvements at best.
@@turbo_brian that's true, except if the stock rubber is trashed, which is pretty common in older cars. Then it'd be worth it
So hyped for this series. Keep going!
Yess!
There are a lot of youtube channels that try to emulate the old school top gear feel, but this is one of the only channels that actually pulls it off! Love the direction you're going with your videos!
This comment sums up very well the overall feel of this series, reminiscent of old top gear but with enough personality of their own to feel fresh and new.
When you look at how cringe making bad the American version of Top Gear is with it's huge budget and C-List celebrities, you appreciate just how well theses lads are doing. The banter feels real on this channel, but so obviously staged and false on TG America. Together with Driver 61, Scott's channels are also way more informed and informative. The Formula 1 analysis is especially good.
I think Car Throttle is pretty good as well. Also reminiscent of the old Top Gear. 3 Brits doing shenanigans with cars, all sorts of challenges and some pretty good banter as well.
Really? It feels identical to Car Throttle...a copy pasta. Like watching Music Idol from a different country. With budget Simon Cowell
You're kidding right?
Super happy with your tire choice!! If you are doing brakes next, please for the love of god don’t but a big Brembo brake kit. Big brakes only help with heat dissipation, letting you get full performance lap after lap.
If you’re only doing a few laps, get some quality fluid and track pads, like carbotech xp24s. Will squeal really loudly below 300 degrees but when warm, they quiet down and BITE
A bbk with opposed piston calipers makes a huge difference to pedal feel and confidence, so you can modulate better and trail brake for longer. Its not just about heat dissipation.
Larger brake disk means the pads have more leverage to stop the wheel which means more braking force…
You can most likely get enough braking torque from the stock caliper to lock up the wheels, aka the maximum braking torque you can use. Even those grippy tires can still be locked up most likely. An aggressive pad compound and a quality rotor is all thats needed. Centric 125 series high carbon rotors and hawk hp + pads would be my recommendation if available.
They can't focus too much on braking. Brakes alone aren't going to solve their 6 second problem and they can easily eat up 3k in a brake setup. The op is right, pads, better rotors and fresh fluid will be enough for a single lap. This is a sprint not a Marathon
@@vr6one you're right. On this budget and for this purpose, a BBK is probably overkill. If I was in their shoes, I'd probably do pads, a flush and maybe braided lines. I suspect the best improvement will be when they inevitably strip it.
I've seen plenty of rally subarus sparking their brakes like that, looks so dramatic especially at night!
Went to a night winter rally where they had studded tyres but went over some tarmac bits, sparks flying everywhere it was frikin awesome
nankang ar-1s are my go to tracktire , amazing value. they are relatively cheap , last quite a while and are readily available around my area.
I really do like nankangs, underrated brand imo. Got some as-1's on the daily, ns2's on the weekend car and ns2r's and ar-1s when I go on the track. Really good bang for your buck
what pressure to pump in the nankang tires on a cold? 205-50-15 for 1150kg car...
More of these please! This stuff is so entertaining
shouldnt have launched it with the AR1s, literally playing bullet roulette
Love this series and the cheap car challenge 😁😁
Cheers Paul, appreciate that. Scott.
Great series, I'd guess brakes next? Considering that these seem quite dangerously worn off.
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Yay is good to have an update on this series. 1) thanks for showing the 3 options and testing them. 2) you guys should definitely check on better brakes and the rest spend it on whatever power upgrades you can afford
Better brakes wont really help a single lap
These upgrade slower car to be faster series are always so exciting, can't wait for the next episode
Love these episodes, maybe take all the seats out and gut out the car
Here's some insight from racing the wrx platform. Try 2deg - front camber for less understeer and when you will get to max grip in cornering you will loose oil pressure 😞
nice episode. Also saw Scott live on saturday and he went from P10 to P1! He was flying out there!
Great series however I have some suggestions. Is there a way you can use a more accurate method of timing the laps. Pressing start and stop on your phone is bound to cause incosistencies due to human error and reaction speed. Another is that it is proabably best to do a run of 3 or so laps and take the average as the result you go by.
I had these two exact thoughts!
Adding lightness is going to be the ultimate mod, stripping the interior and anything not essential will do more to make it come alive than all other mods, and it's basically free. Can't wait to see the dash, carpet, window motors, seats and all the useless stuff get torn out. Hell, you could make money back if you ebay the parts.
Part of the challenge was to keep it usable as a daily so I don't think this is gonna be a viable option :/
@@loupcordeille-bougault3474 Lol you don't need interior to daily it, in fact you have more room for groceries making it an even BETTER grocery getter without all that extra stuff lol. I've daily driven plenty of 'lightened' vehicles, better mileage, better performance, spill resistance. It's nice to be able to hose off the interior when it fills up with rocks and dust from the desert. You want it to be a 'supercar'? Lambo uses skateboard grip tape on bare floorboards and CHARGES EXTRA for the 'lightweight' option of no carpet or headliner.
And besides, supercars aren't exactly daily drivers, a bigger challenge will be to bring your Lambo to Wal-Mart, Costco, the gym, the vape shop, the post office and Home Depot for a year like it's a Scooby lol.
@@rustymustard7798 it’s more comfortable, with full interior. Besides the Lambo isn’t stripped. Better just get a light weight battery
@@loupcordeille-bougault3474 lol see that new episode? Haha! They even said the same thing I did, more room for groceries lol.
It just makes sense to do, they don't stand a chance without losing weight. If they didn't then all the other mods would have been a waste.
@@BoHorror lol see the new episode?
The Bridgestone Potenza Sport are Great fast tyres - yes.
BUT: they really wear a lot once driven hard (on track), so that’s where the AR1 shines:
You can drive the AR1 really fast for a 20-30min stint, the Potenza Sport will get soft after 5-10 minutes and wears a lot
People carry on about power and torque, its amazing how much difference good tyres and brakes make
I was crying for that WRX transmission with those launches on the Nankangs
bro is complaining about 27 degrees while im literally having 40 degrees and im runnin around
Brakes next, then some cheap chassis stuff... then on the last episode its "throw stuff in the bin" time and thats where the gain is gonna come.
Better setup of the BCs, alignement, lighter wheels, good fluid and pads with possibly some weight saving inside would do well imo
Loving this series! Can’t wait for next episode!
Cool series guys!
Oh good! I thought maybe you gave up on this series when you started the new one last video. Lots of content coming in from you!
Love that you went with the only right tire choice. You can't go wrong with the best tire possible you can afford. Such an underrated part of a cars overall performance.
How soon can we get a video on finding grip based off how the track tastes?
I just tasted the track, it tastes fast 🤣
I would have loved to see the sport tires with lower pressures than recommended, that is likely how they would be ran at the track anyway due to the extra heat, when compared to street driving, causing higher peak pressures.
They usually get more tire pressure than on street to keep the sidewall up and steering responsive.
I am amazed that the stock 5 speed did not explode with all those launches
With those sparks, i can definitely see a break upgrade coming next.
Weight reduction, bushings and brakes will be a really interesting video! Great series
In california we call the nankang an "entry level all season tire." Last time I checked the rival 1.5s was the fastest on the market but that was before the new re-71rs was widely available.
Yokohama Advan A052, Falken RT660 and Nankang CR-1 are the best-in-slot 200TW tires now, also faster than the AR-1 in this type of setting because their optimal temperature is super low and they work right away from a standing start :)
@@VeliRajasaar A052 is a qualy tire. Least durable 200TW, but fast.
RS4s are great.
Calling AR1's an entry level all season tyre is a bit of a stretch. Potentially you're thinking of the NS2r?
Regardless they're still a decent cheap performer. Maybe not on the same level as AO52s etc for autocross though
Looks like brakes are next. I hope weight reduction comes after.
Very cool series, entertaining and informational. Perfect mix! More like this please.
Cool video and very interesting finding. However, with the freshly fresh tires it’s not gonna be the REAL performance these tires can go to. A retest after the running in on the UHPs and AR1s would be great. The AR1 especially gets SOOO much better after a like 200mi. A bit of scrubbing won’t do enough, IMHO
incorrect
This extended series is great fun. Surely ARB's are in order now? couple of hundered pounds only
So what's left on the list? Brakes, stiffening?, weight reduction? And maybe some stage 1 engine mods for more power?
Stiffening isn't going to do much of anything I don't think. I'm guessing they'll move onto brakes, weight reduction, and yeah more power is required or else they'll never touch the lambo even if it is a short curvy track.
very good you picked these tires i think because as you get more power power you will need even more grip and they will gain moren time than now
is winter tires better than summer tires ? i believe they add more grip in general but greater wear. maybe a video on that ?
should have started with tires not suspension. need Ackerman steering geometry.
glad this showed the weakness of track tires in real circumstances
This video series is so cool! Thanks for the effort!
Hate to say it but your a bit off with your description of the AR-1’s, I daily drive a supercharged mk1 mx5 with ar-1’s on the front, they aren’t terrible in the wet unless you hit a lot of standing water, the not uncomfortable, I actually found them more comfortable than the mid range tyres that were on before and they aren’t massively loud on the road, there obviously louder than a more road focused tyre but not very noticeable unless all you do while driving is sit in silence listening to your tyres
Great vid for the most underrated speed upgrade, currently stuck waiting for anything but all-season tires to be back in stock for my stock Miata wheels.
Just waiting for this channel to be renamed Brodie Media at this point.
Piggyback ecu vs stock would be an amazing test
How many was the Subaru pressure and the Nankang recommended? I wonder how big is the difference
wow that was really interesting with the pressures! I wonder if the uhp tyre could've done better with lower pressure.
New tires have a mould release compound on the treads.
They should have given each set atleast 10 fastlaps to get the tire surface to optimal grip level
Really does just go to show that there is not a massive difference between the first three tyre sets! Budget tyres are not that bad at all
The biggest test of budget vs expensive tyres is in wet weather road driving. I've driven some great budget tyres that still hang on to the road in the wet, but if you go too cheap they'll just slide, which is what you don't want!
I know that subi Game well.
We build my friends wrx like
Bilstein B16
Light wheels with those nankangs
Whiteline swaybars front/rear
Almost every bushing in the driveline swapped from Rubber to PU
Ebc brakes with the yellpwstuff pads and steel braidet lines
Basic Performance mods like full exhaust with downpipe and 200cpi kat + katless uppipe
Some other Things for thermal Stability
A good mapping
Never the less, this wrx is am absolut animal on Mountain roads....
I think one of the big advantage of the supercar is the surface contact between the tyres and the road, because they're super wide. There is a reason wide body kits exists and it's not for cosmetics. It's always impressive to see the difference between LeMans GT Porsches and stock Porsches.
You should have gone for wider wheels when you bought better tyres !
would have required wider rims, it really wouldn' thave made much of a difference as they're not going to be doing wide body stuff
If the wheels got wide enough, would it technically become an open wheeled car?
Ahahah Appletank8 it would need the inner part of the wheel to start outside the body ! But I think the definition of open wheel car is up to subject, as some people argue it should be single seater, or on the contrary some argue a KTM X-Bow is open wheel while it's still contained in the body.
And Pog Tuber, the whole point of my com was to get wider rims and wider tyres, and yes I expect it'd have made a lot of difference especially when they're happy with 3s gain with these thin wheels
That's a common misconception right here. Tire size is pretty much only for heat management, the contact patch doesn't change all that much after a certain point.
Aafaik the extra width is to spread the force+heat over more area, allowing the tyres to survive (a bit longer) the abuse of a powerful engine and hard braking. In a single lap a wider wheel might well suffer from being too hard to keep at ideal temps.
You didn’t do 10 hot laps to get the tires warm and to wear off the anti moulding coating on them.
You also need to do a series of times laps and take the average of them to get an accurate average
I had AR1s on my 350Z and 330ci and will never buy those tyres again they ware so on and off a grip and you never knew what they going to do, now I'm running Federal 595 RS-Pro and it's such a difference from that over rated crap
there is no way you get 6 sec of lap time with that budget. You need so much more power and grip to do that. Maybe putting a nitrus system on there for more power and suspension tuning will work wonders and wont cost too much, but i dont think it will gain you 6 sec, maybe 1 or 2 sec at best tbh. Brake pads and a good set of calipers/ steel brake lines would make braking better
Tires and weight are the best bang for the buck... 6 seconds is too big a gulf at this point if you aren't going to gut the car
That looks like a ton of tire roll over on the nankangs
I'm guessing the track used for the test is the Curborough Sprint Circuit near Lichfield.
The AR-1 is going to be my dry track day tyre of choice for my Elise S3. I have only heard good things about that tyre. I've got a set of Nankang NS-2Rs to try first as I've only just started doing track days, having done two so far and thhe NS-2R seems to be a good compromise if there is rain.
I've just got back from Nurburgring for the first time, using AR-1s on the track...i can confirm they are awesome. For context i previously used Ad08R on track and daily Goodyear Eagle F1's asym 5 on my road wheels - Just found your channel -sub'd- i look forward to more. :)
Ok. This, series got you my sub. More vids like this, and you will surpass those MAAAADDDD aussies :)
I guess we all know that race tyres need to be hot to provide their best grip.
Re. road tyres...
Has anyone mentioned the 'rule of thumb' about tyres: they don't give their best grip when absolutely brand new. Apparently, it takes a 100km or so of regular driving, before the surface is at its best. (Happy to be corrected on this point, if anyone has updated info. 🙂)
Well I'm struggling to see where another 6 seconds is in that unless you get real busy with the weight loss.
Power might get you something like a couple of seconds if you're lucky but really I think rubber is probably the most effective mod on that track.
Maybe chipping at it will add up but I think you're into smaller gains from here.
Weight is the killer here, Its a free upgrade, strip the car.
Nevermind the bridges get a set of MPS4 on the thing
you don't always do the same time on every lap even with the same tires
Will: Surely you can't be serious
Callum, probably...: I am serious, and don't call me Shirley
Bogs the start then wonders why it was slower.. blames it on pressures even though it already 'felt quicker' 🤔🤔
Please hurry up and do what we're all hoping for and finally make the engine shit the bed
So Forza wasn't wrong with having each tier tires have much smaller grip improvements than one would expect.
this exactly the kind of stuff you want to see from a car channel. great comparisons, great content, looking forward to see the development of this humble wagon
Time to gut the pig! Pull everything nonessential out including seats, sound deadening, electric windows and air con, you could maybe go as far as replacing the windows with plastic but that might be difficult. A new set of uprated brake pads at the very least, maybe calipers and rotors if you can fit bigger ones but no need to go down the carbon ceramic route. A professional alignment would be advisable after weight and brakes. After that the only route is probably more power but I still don't think you're going to close the gap
Brakes coming up next? Also taking the rear seats out and a better turbo coming soon?
Me, an American that has consumed enough English Media that I should know better;
This is a fifty pound tyre
Me: wow race tyres are tough
This is a hundred pound...
Me: wait what the f..
This is a hundred and FIFTY pound
Me: oh yeah..
Would be interesting to see how the tyres perform after a few hundred kms since I heard most tyres need to wear off the baking wax of somesort. After being worn in a bit they might peform nicer.
Brakes and tyres similar to the slicks used in this episode gave us our biggest difference in racing. Then weight.
Power, bushes, suspension, etc, were very minor
If you are trying to compare times down to a tenths and especially hundredths of a second, get a bluetooth 10Hz GPS receiver and an app for the phone to measure lap times. All together is not more than 100 - 120 £.
I love this series
All these small improvements to handling are really going to help when they try to squeeze more power out of the car, I have no doubt they'll be able to beat the lambo
Drill a big 4” hole out of the air filter housing and feed a 4” tube from the grill to the filter housing. Costs nowt if you can scrounge the tube ;)
As a WRX driver I am super stoked for these, please get them out quicker than once a month!
As another WRX driver, I sure hope you're not planning on tracking the car. They really like to explode in interesting ways.
they need better brakes. then the time will explode especially with racing brakes
@@Hawk7886 LOL No, it's a '21 I bought brand new off the truck, she'll never see a track. Still like to see videos of their potential though.
very entetaining and informative.
That's an excellent use of sponsorship! They're actually being useful.
wel its 3 sec faster with sparking brakes, maby test is first with some fresh brakes en after that upgrade to some better pads en a vented brake disk for better coolig of the disk for some wat more braking power over stock
Pull out all the excess weight from the car like trim, carpets, spare wheel, unneeded seats etc. 👍
I really want to see scott race this car on a track day against real super cars if its fast enough.
I love how Scott actually put his tongue on the tarmac and didn't even have a joke ready for when he got up, what a legend.
Today’s lesson: Tire pressure is huge.
Rookie mistake, you can not measure the air pressure on cold tires even on regular tires. From cold 15c tires to 35c warm tires using regular non track tires you end up with pressure going from 2.2 to 2.4 2.5 which is WAY to high and you end up only the middle of the tire wears out. I did that mistake with my first car, once...
Not gonna get that lambo time without torque, u need a upgraded ball bearing turbo.
I saw one of the episodes of 'MORE FAST' - insta sub. GREAT CONTENT. I am trully amazed!
Better brakes first. More power later :)
I'm sure that the grippier semi-slicks tires will allow for better brakes to be installed while keeping all for wheels in control.
What about tire temperature and track temperature? Could also differ in the dirts on same lines being ran
Definitely brakes next and after that... Turbo?
I was expecting that 5sp to split in two for the launches but it held, these WRX GG models need the KIEN gearbox support to hold launches.. it's also another good mod for peace of mind.