Government Threatens Retired Engineer With a Crime for Doing Math
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Wayne Nutt is an engineer. He graduated with a degree in engineering from the University of Iowa in 1967, and he promptly went to work as an engineer. He spent most of his time working in North Carolina, mostly for DuPont, using his expertise to do things like designing piping systems and helping with international technology licensing. Since his retirement in 2013, Wayne has not done any engineering-he hasn’t designed or built things-but he is still an engineer at heart, and so he talks about engineering a lot: When he spots math errors in public documents, he speaks up. When he thinks people are mischaracterizing engineering reports, he speaks out. And when he can answer a question that he thinks is important, he answers it.
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And that is what has gotten him into trouble. Wayne never needed a license to work as an engineer. Because he worked for big manufacturers for his whole career, everything Wayne did (like everything most engineers do) fell under North Carolina’s “industrial exemption” and did not require a license. But according to the North Carolina Board of Examiners for Engineers and Surveyors, talking about the sort of work Wayne did does require a license.
Wayne’s trouble started when he volunteered to testify as an expert witness in a case his son, an attorney, was litigating. The case involved a piping system in a housing development that allegedly caused flooding in nearby areas, and Wayne, who had designed plenty of pipes in his day, volunteered to testify about the volume of fluid that pipe could be expected to carry. Wayne still had a copy of the leading sourcebook on his bookshelf, and the analysis itself seemed pretty easy-at least for Wayne.
But it was also-according to the Board-illegal. After Wayne’s deposition in the case, where he truthfully testified that he was not (and never had been) a licensed engineer, someone complained to the Board that he was practicing engineering without a license, which is a criminal misdemeanor.
It might seem impossible to “practice” engineering by sitting in a conference room answering questions, but, shockingly, the Board seems to think Wayne crossed a line. The Board’s position is that offering any testimony that requires “engineering knowledge” is illegal without a license-even if someone truthfully discloses their credentials, and even if a judge wants to hear the testimony.
But that is wrong. In this country, we rely on people to decide who they want to listen to. We do not rely on government to decide who gets to speak. The Board’s position gets that important principle backwards. That is why Wayne has joined forces with the Institute for Justice to file a major First Amendment lawsuit against the Board, designed to vindicate the basic principle that the First Amendment protects our right to hear useful speech on difficult topics and that the Board cannot silence Wayne simply because his opinions are based on his knowledge of engineering.
UPDATE: This week a federal judge ruled that state officials violated the First Amendment when they ordered retired engineer Wayne Nutt to stop talking about math in public.
The First Amendment protects everyone’s right to speak their minds, whether they’re talking about politics or talking about math. If regulators forget that basic fact, IJ always stands ready to remind them.
Learn more at ij.org/press-release/federal-judge-hands-free-speech-victory-to-retired-engineer/.
Meth addiction is one thing but math addicts take it to a new level.
I saw the original post a while ago, just saw the update today.
This made my day, I'm so happy this wonderful man received justice!!! Now Wayne can use his vast expertise to help more people, without fear that he will be prosecuted
Absurd that he had to go to court over this. Exposes the bigger issue of legislators over policing and maliciously prosecuting.
A touch of sanity in a world of madness.
Licensed professional engineers may not be the only ones with engineering knowledge but they are the only ones with engineering knowledge directly under the duress of corrupt bureaucrats!
He's 77??? I know men in their 50's that look thirty years older than Wayne.
Good luck Wayne! 🇺🇸👍💪
I was thinking about the same thing. When they said his age, I thought, what? LOL.
You read my mind
When he said he worked for 45 years I was thinking "wow, he started around the age of 20, he looks good for being 65." Then they said "at 77.." I could not calculate that one, lol. Totally threw me for a loop.
Wow hes taken care of himself! 60’s tops!
@@BLUELEADER78 maybe the govt needs to investigate Ole Wayne to figure out him being 77 and looking 55.
“When you tear out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” - G.R.R Martin
More importantly you are proving that you will tear out a man's tongue, and now everyone agrees that he was a liar.
@@overclucker Fear will never make people loyal to you, only jump at their first chance of freedom.
@@cc227able What about when someone speaks out against the loyalists in your camp?
Based avi
I think in regards to Trump for example I'd rather silence the guy than letting him speak. He has a lot of charisma to trick people and lying about everything got him into the white house so I dunno...
This is the scary overreach of our corrupted government work. Qualified, interested citizen who steps up to right a wrong, and the state, embarrassed and corrupt as it is, decides they are going to shut this down real quick, because they are going to have to pay, and because they want to end a precedent where regular citizens can make them accountable. Accountability has long been absent in government, local and otherwise, and this guy deserves all the support he can get. Kudos to him.
“Expertise resides in many people”. Well said sir, well said.
No, unfortunately it does not. You really do have to do the study, sit the examinations, write the dissertations, and get it all past your professors, internal and external.
Why does this white man think he has the right to show up the new diverse government and their 'experts'?!
@@genghisthegreat2034 That is a load of horse crap, I stop hiring people with degrees because they couldn't do a job they went to college for. I'd hire a self taught person in a heart beat so long as they prove then know what they are doing and can do it in a timely manor.
@@TdrSld that's passionate of you, but the first four questions put to an expert in an adversarial hearing will always be about his or her qualifications to be there.
Intelligent, competent people, who do not resist the temptation to jump the fence of their qualifications and experience, don't ever get to Q5. Or if they do, it's to milk further embarrassing admission from them, like " Where have you designed drainage infrastructure previously? "
@@genghisthegreat2034 you're are 100% wrong! Everbody is an expert at something, but not an expert at everything. some people gain their skills through study and time other people acquire it naturally. And it's funny because a lot of college professors have degrees for things that they don't even do. they couldn't get the job in the field so now they're in a school teaching .
My biggest argument for you is. If you need school and studying to become an expert at something then explain how savants have all this knowledge and know how with never going to college because they don't have the mental capacity to pay attention or other issues that may hinder that option. Open your mind the possibilities that don't seem real. Many new things will open up to with with a better understanding of the world and its people.
The state is just embarrassed that their P.E. screwed up and his mistake was caught by somebody who wasn't certified, and wasn't even operating in his discipline.
Sounds like that board of engineers is upset that a single, retired engineer could prove they were wrong.
@@IamIsaiah144
He's a competent engineer so it's unlikely he's stupid enough to believe that the earth is flat.
@@IamIsaiah144 you have to be pretty stupid to think the Earth is flat when we can predict every single solar eclipse down to the second and yet flat-earth can't even produce a working model yet
@@IamIsaiah144 Anyone call call Earth Flat. THAT REQUIRES 0 INTELLIGENCE!
An INTELLIGENT person would offer ALTERNATE EXPLANATIONS that fit the known physics we currently use and experiment with at our leisure!? And how they work together and independently PERFECTLY?
Thats what I thought.................
ROUND EARTH PROOFS
'Seeing the Curve' at 50,000 ft... with your own eyes...
EARTHS CURVED SHADOW ON THE MOONS SURFACE
ECLIPSES
Ships & Navigation.
Radar
Time Zones
Gravity
Tidal Wave actions
Volcanos
Magnetism (compass/gyro) north/south diff
Earthquakes
Aurora Borealis
Atmosphere
Horizons
Planetary movements
Star patterns / trails
Satellites (GPS)
Thousands of PICS / VIDS from NASA/SPACEX/RUSSIA/CHINA
Trees
Moons Tidal Lock
Density
Ground breaking patented technologies traced directly backed to nasa
Cartography (maps)
LAVA
Asteroid impact craters.
Grand Canyon
Marianas Trench
Geothermal pockets
Geysers / pools
Weather
Diamonds
Minerals
COAL
OIL
GOLD
Continental Drift
- Horizontal Sedimentary Rock formations billions of years old
Glacier ice cores millions of years old
5mile long Trains that can show the curve.
Bridges spanning water longer than 4miles
@@IamIsaiah144 Is the 15 Deg per hour drift measured by fake commercial pilot and Flat earther Bob Knodel on a ring laser gyroscope just an unfortunate coincidence?
How can you guys still have any faith in your delusion after that.... and the huuuuuuge... multitude of other FE disproving facts?
If the globe model works perfectly fine and the FE model doesn't work.. how can you keep believing in it?
@@IamIsaiah144 He rebutted what? That he was a commercial pilot? After being exposed as a liar, I should hope so.
What about Bobs own experiment that proved the 15 Deg per hour drift that in turn perfectly supports the globe model not just accurately.. but super accurately? Is it just an utterly amazing coincidence?
All the evidence massively supports the globe model and practically nothing supports the FE model.. It just doesn't work.
Thanks but I'm pretty sure it's you who needs the luck.
He didn’t claim to be a licensed engineer. He can give anyone advice about anything, engineering or otherwise. We live in a country where that right is protected. He didn’t break any laws, he’s an upstanding citizen and a role model for how people should act, helping their fellow man. Shame on the state for even sending him that letter which goes against one of the most fundamental rights of being an American.
Yep, clearly a "retired engineer," "engineer at heart" _after retiring._ He doesn't pass himself off as a licenzed practicing engineer.
@@Olivia-W And therefore is not technically qualified to testify as an expert. Whether or not the government was trying to coverup in this instance, without a PE you can't present your results publicly with a view to influence public works design!
@@rpraetor if i read the full write up properly, he is not a designated professional engineer. Most in chemical, electrical, computer are not cause its not needed> it is needed in civil/construction. 1 of my friends has it. the thing is. it has nothing to do with actual engineering. its extra classes on ethics, etc around technology/engineering. thats where the gap/issue is with such stupidity is. my friends who are comp/elec eng are better than the one is who is a professional but just dont have that final designation
@@StarFyreXXX it is needed for electrical engineering. I'm licensed. It has nothing to do with extra classes. You have to get a four year degree then take an exam then work under a licensed engineer for five years then take another exam
@@charlesthomas135 my friend had to do some classes for it. ethics classes, etc and then an exam. Oh and when i said electrical, i meant electrical working like comp eng. most of my friends were elec eng, but they all do design for game consoles, etc. stuff comp eng would do. so for them its not needed . i wonder if its different in canada..
You people do great work. Congratulations on the win!
I'm getting real tired of this government and its lack of common sense. WE HAVE THE POWER... NOT THEM
What country are you living in? When a state is so gerrymandered that even voting can't get rid of a prevailing party, then the members of that party have no need to respond to the desires and needs of their constituents. They can do whatever they want, and that's the case in North Carolina where we're so gerrymandered that no matter what you d, you can't get rid of the Republican Party. And although we have a Democrat for governor, the Republicans rule the courts so they're taking Powers away from the governor. And to think that GOP used to claimed that they were for small government - of course, that's only true until the government makes laws to control your body or what you can do or say. And if people keep voting for Republicans, we will completely lose our democracy. After all, when essentially only one party can get in, due to voter restrictions, then that party has absolutely no impetus to do a damn thing that their constituents want because they have all the power and they know that the people can't do a damn thing about it.
They seem to forget that THEY work for Us
you seem to forget that THEY are in fact US.
This is a case of government employees telling someone to shut up, because they don't want to listen. I am a non licensed engineer and I work with licensed engineers, engineers and scientists with masters degrees and PhD's. These people often ask my opinion because they understand that they may not be seeing every facet of the problems we are addressing. They want multiple viewpoints, so they refuse to wear the blinders.
The world needs more people like this man. Proplem solvers are like angels.
In all those years working as an engineer, why wouldn't he get his license? Good grief
You do what you need to do.Government never wants to be proven wrong.Don’t let them scare you off.
Keep fighting the good fight, IJ!
In times like these, I’m so glad the founding fathers predicted things like this would happen and established more of rights of the INDIVIDUAL kind of country.
I'm a registered engineer. I was sympathetic to Wayne's case until I read the description. If he was paid to be an expert witness in a court case, then, in my opinion, that sort of thing is reserved for licensed professional engineers and I agree with the Board. It is *not* a case of simply expressing your opinion. Wayne was providing professional services under circumstances that may affect public or private safety or finances, and when there can be real consequences to an engineer providing an expert opinion, in the official context of a court case, then that service should only be rendered by a Board-certified engineer.
Be sure that you make ALL of your information publicly and widely available...
They wouldn't have been mad if he wasn't right. Otherwise they would have just shown where he was wrong.
North Carolina has to stop voting DEMOCRAT!!
A non licenced professional has the same right to research and inform others as a licenced professional, just remember that only a licenced professional can _act_ upon research, if it comes from them or others.
Math is Math. If the board disagrees with him, or believes that he had misled the public, they can simply prove it by "doing the necessary calculations". I do not understand what a license has to do with his ability to do Math.
Don’t jail the man, hire him part time!
I've never heard anybody else with a JFK accent...before today.
The Government is always jealous of its power, but that's not what is going on here. Some Engineer either public or private Flubbed or cut costs by cutting corners and This engineer uncovered the problem unwittingly. See who did the design work and who the construction contract went to and who had the political connections. That's what this is really all about.
“Do my calculation make sense? Are my conclusions inaccurate?”
Those two questions are basic and if that are avoided. That is a case for further investigation.
State licensing for Engineers serves a very important purpose, but this is not it.
What's the important purpose of the state license then?
I agree. It generates income for the overlords.
@@jacobm7064 Engineers aren't like lawyers. It matters that the person designing a bridge is competent tough to ensure it won't collapse. Also, laypeople had began to encroach on the engineer name, which caused great confusion because people who hadn't even been to engineering school were called engineers. The solution was a self-governed licensing system by and for real engineers sanctioned by the state, and formally distinguishing them as professional engineers. Engineers also decided that, unlike lawyers, they would self-enforce a code of ethics, so there can't be an engineer equivalent of an ambulance chaser like lawyers have.
@@wtk6069 yeah okay. You keep thinking the legal system isn't dysfunctional I the states. Your argument hinges on the assumption that people that practice law don't need to be competent. Bro, really? This is how you tell someone you're stupid without actually saying it.
I have more to say but it would be just time wasted.
This guy doesn't look like 77, damn.
“When you commit a crime, who goes to jail? You.”
“When you catch your government committing a crime, who goes to jail? Still you.”
Oof
Free Assange & Snowden
we the people are still slaves our master is the gov, and it is their ways or the highway. We cant own any land, for instance, if you don't pay your rent they will kick you out (often called property taxes)
The goverment says math is racist. lol
That is only if you live in first world countries. In latin america, you die stabbed, shot and in a river as "a person who commited suicide" XD
I am a licensed professional engineer, and Wayne's efforts are wholly within the spirit of the model professional engineer's code of conduct. If he's not getting paid, not submitting the work for execution by others, or misrepresenting his status, he's entirely in the right here.
Exactly. He isn’t approving a design, only questioning the adequacy of the engineering behind it. I provide a certain amount of engineering expertise in my town, not for money, but in an advisory capacity when asked. This work also is not in my field of expertise. But…my output and opinion is reviewed for execution by licensed professional engineers.
WELCOME TO BIDENS AMERICA YOU GO TO THE STALAG AND THE ILLEGAL ALIENS GO FREE.
@@jim9930 Nobody cares how much money you have
I agree, its like any engineer posting their on work on the internet such as on Facebook for their people to look at and has nothing to do with any collaboration with any authority, and the information is so valuable makes the city try to put the man behind bars. Thats like taking your freedom away. Its like saying no you can't post knowledge but can only post dumb stuff.
Maybe you need to go back to review licensing laws...
Although I am a registered professional engineer, I fully approve of Wayne Nutt providing _pro bono_ technical expertise and advice to his community. He's not charging money for what he's doing and the community is free to listen to him or ignore him. If they have reservations about Wayne's calculations, they can always hire a registered professional engineer to check the figures. The North Carolina Board of Examiners for Engineers and Surveyors is simply wrong on this issue.
I am thinking the same thing. I think the state is being macillious. Someone has connections or is covering something up. It might vary from state to state, but my understanding from many good lawyer channels on YT that the term expert witness is a loose definition. Some experts witnesses are know to testify a certain way regardless of the case and they get paid for it.
I don't think the problem was with the results. I think the problem was with his claim to be an engineer. He's not.
They are not wrong they are just a gang with legal expertise in tax collecting.
@@kubetail12Wayne wouldn't be an expert witness in storm design though. He doesn't have any experience in it. Doesn't mean he can't actually be correct, but there are many practicing in that field who would be more qualified. The term engineer can be so broad that I think it's being used misleadingly here. Being a chemical engineer doesn't qualify you to do work outside of your discipline. Same goes for any engineer. I can design a road but there's no way I'm touching electrical engineering topics pretending to be an expert.
@@fearlv1rattata I would think it depends on the state and jurisdiction. I do not think state licensing boards in general regulate engineers in court. Also, is expert witness testimony practicing engineering?
He exposed an engineering flaw done by a city-public engineer and the city was obviously embarrassed by their own stupidity. They want to make sure that nobody has the power to check their work again and want to punish anyone who does. This is typical, sleazy government tactics.
Dude needs to be in academia teaching the next generation of civil engineers. It's weird a chemical engineer is catching mistakes licensed civil engineers shouldn't be making.
Yeah the state probably had to pay money so they retaliated and is protected under most states whistle blower acts!
Civil isn't the only discipline that takes some form of fluid flow class. Chemical, mechanical, metallurgical, and even mining engineers all had to take them in some form at my school. Electrical engineers take something similar in their power distribution classes. This chemical engineer probably worked a lot with flow through pipes in his career. Chemical plants are full of pipes.
Was it stupidity or was it corruption? I'd bet on the latter.
Any infrastructure that fails was probably designed by an engineer.
As a licensed professional engineer I support Wayne's case.
Ditto
Licensing is mostly gatekeeping in a lot of cases. For instance plumbers union lobbies the state to require a licensed plumber for so many apprentices. The state get money to issue the license the union protects their high wages. It is a racket.
That would be like the medical boards making it illegal to give opinions on medications or treatments if the people espousing them were not licensed MD's. I hope he sues them.
Oh snap, I wonder if the IJ can get your testament to back up Wayne in court
As an American citizen who supports the right to free speech, I also support Wayne's case.
He's such a hardcore engineer, his shirt is graph paper.
oh no
Ahahaha
Many a time I have been caught slacking without graph paper, that is until I embraced the graphing shirt my life has improved since.
I don't need a Graph paper, I AM THE GRAPH.
Logarithmic graph paper at that!
When exposing a crime is treated as a crime you know who the criminals are.
@@jdove6883 What do those people have to do with state issues?
Can you say Snowden? How about Wikileaks? Ignore the content, shoot the messenger.
@@jdove6883 I would like the Biden administration to pardon Snowden if they do that’s how I know they respect freedom of the press unfortunately hell has better chance of freezing over then Snowden getting pardoned
@@dustigenes i have hard proof that joe biden and his son worked with china and received 1 billion dollars to allow a chinese company to engineer that storm drain because those three homeowners said Taiwan was a real country.
Also, Ukraine was involved for some reason, not sure why, but they were
@@jdove6883 What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with the video. Go somewhere else with your baseless claims, please.
I can’t believe this guy is 77. He doesn’t look a day older than 60.
Right?!
I was looking for this comment
Look at that hairline. ❤️
50*
Hell he looks better than some people I know in their 50s.
If he’s commenting on a public matter he’s not practicing engineering. He wasn’t charging any fees to any government or private party that contracted with him for his knowledge. He’s making a difference to help his community. Wonderful!
Frankly, it’s also insane that they feel they can require a license, if he were providing this information for profit.
Just reading the title made me chuckle. Imagine he goes to prison:
"What are you in for?"
*Math*
Math.
Not even once.
And all the guys on that group W bench shifted away
@@evplasmaman2 yep. Don't mess with that guy.
He'll kill you with numbers man. Infinite numbers.
Remember that math was considered racist
He's a Math Head put in with meth heads.
This man looks amazing for 77 yrs old, he looks like he is only in his 50s ... Hope he wins his case
Seriously!
When they said 77, I think I had a heart attack!
He's already won
That was actually my very first thought. He looks great. It's probably his soul shining through. He seems to be a truly GOOD person.
Hair dye does wonders, like the realistic ones that leave in some grays not the shoe polish/black tar ones lol
Mats Jarlstrom won his case in Oregon for the same thing. Hope Wayne wins too, this is ridiculous.
No shit it's free fucking speech. Even if you aren't an engineer and are just talking bullshit it's still protected, but then they aren't even going to bother going after idiots like that since y'know... They aren't telling the truth
@@lost4468yt Your example is probably a bad idea. Wayne Nutt has years of experience doing engineering work. This qualifies him to speak about engineering in a public setting despite lacking a license. If a _random bullshitter_ as you claim spoke about engineering in a public setting, that person would rightfully be arrested for impersonating a professional. Pretending to be an engineer with _zero qualifications_ is DANGEROUS and NOT protected speech.
@@lost4468yt Someone who wasn't an engineer could just be dismissed as a crackpot. Since this guy can actually prove what he's saying, he's dangerous to the Powers-That-Be.
@@korayven9255 no it is protected speech, there's no doubt about that. Would you actually listen to yourself? You're saying someone should be arrested for speaking "incorrectly" about engineering. That's insane you authoritarian. What are you afraid of? If I say bridges should be made of wood what is the problem? Do you think people are going to start making bridges out of wood instead of steel? No they will not, and if they do that's not my problem, it's the person who decided to make a bridge out of wood.
It's not dangerous and it's protected. By the same logic should normal people who criticized lobotomies saying they don't worry have been arrested? Should people who were saying that engineers using asbestos in buildings were incorrect have been arrested? Should someone publishing an article on a new idea in economics (that goes against current beliefs) have been arrested? Where does it start and stop? Who gets to be the gatekeepers and decides what is and isn't allowed.
I think that we should build buildings 5km high. Should I be arrested for that statement?
@@korayven9255 would only be impersonating if they claimed to be an engineer. You don't necessarily need a degree to know what you're talking about.
That said, a random bullshitter would by definition not be likely to know what they're talking about.
Next up in North Carolina: “Engineering board files suit against family for building Jenga tower without architecture license.”
That 6 year old who wants lego for their birthday? Can't do no license.
You did not request a permit to stack those blocks that tall or a permit to move said blocks. Would you like to explain yourself today in court?
IS THAT FUCKING FISH JENGA?
@@cn9595 NO!!
Too be fair, it was a 30 meter high Jenga tower perched on top of a pedestrian bridge over a major interstate...
"Nothing is more dangerous than being right when the government is wrong."
*rat. He said rat.
Where is that from? I’m going to use that in future.
Oh oh, we're in trouble now, aren't we?
Such as when Curley the Indian Scout advised Custer not to go down and shoot into the encampment at Little Big Horn...
the government is always wrong
Name the state officials who decided to sue this guy,so we can shame them publicly.
Name yourself so that people can shame YOU for being an unqualified buffoon.
some diversity hires no doubt
Name the guy who ordered that this Board of Engineers make that calculations, and who ordered that this engineer would be persecuted because he opposed his will. It is some billionaire guy and his company who saved a lot with that project, which flooded that houses.
@@zwan1886why do you think so?
@@evorg04clown show.
He's being threatened for causing embarrassment.
Which caused an even bigger embarrassment
I wonder what's going on in their brain... probably empty space, not even oxygen is in there
isnt this called abuse of power ?
government makes law and defines rights but when one exercises his rights hes threatened , he is threated because of what he is doing could cost the gov money
Fucking evil mother fuckers running the country , government is evillllllll
This is the kinda crap that happens with the CCP- the HECK is this happening in the States?
Actually no. Offering certain services without a license, whether you are compensated or not, is a "crime". Any professional order must self regulate. In other words: if his math was wrong and he would happen to get sued, the engineering order would also be liable as stupid as that might sound and the reputation of engineers would be hurt.
"But he is qualified" based on what standards and also who cares? If you drive without a license, respect the speed limit and don't get into any accident does it stop being illegal? Change the setting to someone offering health services without being a licensed physician. Even if you may have some people being "qualified", what would stop a random john doe from putting Dr. in front of his name? Tell me do the customer of professional services do an extensive background check on the academic and professional performance of all their doctors, engineers, architect, accountant? Are they even qualified themselves to judge on what constitute a "professional" in this field or do they simply enter a doctor's office with the expectation that the doctor is qualified?
To put it back into this context: "Oh he is helping me in an engineering matter, he must be qualified"
Also please no one try to make the "market" argument, where "only the good engineers will stay in business". Yeah only the good engineers will design a bridge that won't crumble and cause the death of hundreds of people therefore staying in business. It's not like the people can go: "a shit my bad, next time I'll go with another one see if he is qualified."
Edit: Still getting sued sucks especially if he was right.
Instead of addressing his findings as right or wrong they attack him based on his credentials.
I know. If he's wrong then prove it. If he's right then pay our the necessary compensation. It's never to amaze me how corrupt people in power are.
Because they know he's right, thats why. Sueing him is cheaper than paying for damages and they save face in the process, its a win-win situation.
@Marcus Aurelius lmao what does this have to do with leftists?? this is related to a dispute between two sets of private landowners
That’s the old attack the messenger when you don’t like the message…
@Marcus Aurelius the term conspiracy theorist has lost all meaning…
Most people appreciate helpful advice, not the government.
More to the point would be a petty functionary with a clipboard
@Sean Flynn , getting paid advice is one thing, attacking people because you don’t like their advice is another.
reminds me of the green party in my country. they decide what's right, not science
State engineering people are worried about their jobs. Most State people involved in civil engineering are not accredited or lawful engineers
More than likely the state or city signed off on inadequate drain system and this guy figured it out and if its one thing the gov doesnt like is accountability so they are trying to discredit and shut this guy down welcome to america in 2021..........
An arrogant bureaucrat didn't like that a citizen was smarter than they were in their field of expertise, got his ego hit, and decided to go on a power trip.
I mean it's the Southern US, the bureaucracy can basically do anything...
@@fathfez7991 That's anywhere not just the south
Yeah, it’s possible that it was arrogance, but it’s more likely that the bureaucrat was trying to fairly apply a policy (which probably does keeps out genuine cranks from trying to pass themselves off as experts) the problem was in my view less likely to be an issue with the bureaucrat’s demeanour, and more likely their lack of imagination in applying the rule.
That is it’s a letter of the law / spirit of the law matter. Mr Nutt might technically be at odds with the letter of the law, but probably not the the spirit of the law.
Its called "ego trip". But yes... some loser.
If I was a cynical man, I would say that this was already happening. A school teacher has beaten a case against a delusional moron. The media picked it up and contracted it to extend for several days for the sake of ratings and mass hysteria.
One thing that wasn't mentioned here is that he worked for 40 years as an engineer and didn't *need* to obtain a license that entire time because he was employed by an industrial manufacturer, which qualifies you for an exemption by NC's licensing laws. Once he retired, that exemption no longer applied to him, but it's not like he's was unqualified or an amateur - they're going after him on a complete technicality.
Also, he is not selling his services, nor designing a product or product design for sale. He is just providing information. Therefore I believe the licence issue is a complete red herring.
He's a private citizen who can say whatever he wants because of the first amendment. Govt. Can get fucked.
Yes it was mentioned
Most business licensing should be put to an end as it usually exists to stop competition in a certain field, and does very little to ensure safety while giving the incompetent and criminal gov't another way to steal revenue for doing nothing.
Technicality, yes - but an important one. I mean, he's not even a civil engineer - he shouldn't be weighing in EVEN IF HE HAD A LICENSE, because it's not his field of expertise. www.ncbels.org/general-info/rules-laws/
Thank you IJ for your fierce defense of our constitutional rights as citizens.❤️🙏💪🇺🇸
“You got a loicence to talk about your trade mate?”
Loicence. I like that
aaii have the rhite in my first ammendment to say hwhat i wanna say
Dude hearing that pissed me off so much.
@Eralf Ojii oi I left it on my telly right next to my tele loicense, I promise bruv. Here's my promise loicense bruv.
Not just a UK meme anymore
He has the right to public advocacy under free speech - he isn’t offering a consultation, it’s simply public service
And if he testifies in court as an expert witness, he becomes a consultant for the legal team.
I'm gonna set up a free medical clinic.
@@charlesthomas135 as long as you dont take money you cant be legally taken down unless they find you causing more harm than good
@Jaydon Tolliver As I understand, you can still be charged with practicing medicine without a license even if you’re doing it for free.
@@draconicusmathiusanytherio7630 yes, and the doing harm part is exactly what was omitted in this video.
it's not a simple case of you may not speak, it's the harm that can happen when checks & balances are not respected. A responsible citizen would respect that.
77 year old? I thought he was in his 50s! His mind is razor sharp as well.
yeah i thought he was in his mid 60s. maybe 70 year olds arent as old as they used to be given the advancement of technology
@Norman yes absolutely, he must be eating nothing... (To be sure, this is meant sarcastic)
@@bassesatta9235 yeahhh Biden makes me think otherwise on that
Marcus Aurelius theres always going to be older people who are deteriorating thats just nature. but look at bernie, he looks of his age but his health is supreme. hes got a better body than a lot of 20 year olds i come across. even then, bidens brain may be mush (although i tend to slightly disagree but that neither here nor there) his phyical shape and health is good for his age.
I'm 40 and he looks better than me 😟
He was not selling a service. Take the findings to a "certified engineer" get them to verify it and then sue the hell out the people trying to give this man a hard time. He is just trying to help and should be rewarded for finding the origin of the problem. Some of humanity is just doomed but there are still good people.
Yep, I'm surprised this "Board" has any case at all, since it's clear he just gives advice this all for free, as a private citizen, unaffiliated with any organization.
@@Wasserkaktus They have a case because our government and our country is corrupt -- probably as corrupt or more corrupt than China and North Korea
@@SecretiaTV well no that's just silly.
The “ licensed engineer” would never go public with the information for FEAR OF LOSING HIS LICENSE!
@@Wasserkaktus If he represented himself as an engineer or his opinions as those of an engineer to the public, he violated board law.
Edit: board law, not rules.
He's not designing anything to be built or recommending any modifications, he's pointing out how what was built was unsafe and lead to the result of homes getting flooded, and the government just wants to shut him up because it proves they're liable for the damages. Using his skills to prove that the reason for the home flooding was because of how the storm drains were engineered puts absolutely no one in any sort of danger, so the argument of needing some sort of license to speak about it for 'public safety' reasons doesn't hold, it's just their intimidation tactic. They hope he'll get scared and go away. It is literally just him saying, "hey, you guys built this wrong, and here's the math that shows why this didn't work."
The board is 100% in the wrong on this one, and I'm sure they know it, but they're hoping Wayne doesn't. This is exactly what 1A was made for.
It's like that anywhere you go. All the way from the top to the bottom. A storm sewer does not require you to have any license what-so-ever. It does not carry potable water. Potable water is the entire reason why the Health Department requires licensing. Whoever designed the system is liable for possibly hundreds of millions of dollars in damages. That is why they'll take mafia style tactics to shut you up... And the police have no problem being the muscle. "Just following orders"... As we've seen quite severely in several instances this past season.
So a licensed engineer got wrong, but someone with an educated opinion is right, but can become a criminal for voicing his opinion & could potentially save lives!
And he didn’t charge for his review and analysis, so you can’t say he’s practicing without a professional license.
This case implies that people are not allowed to make any sort of arguments to defend themselves without hiring a so-called licensed professional. It does not matter if the arguments are right, all that matters is that some rubber stamped deputy of the bureaucracy agrees. This is an assault on fundamental freedom. If the government has a case then it needs to hire its own experts to argue against the arguments of the plaintiffs. The court's time is hardly being wasted with the calculations of the retired engineer. This case exposes serious systemic corruption in the USA. Currently licensed engineers can be incentivized to bend their evaluations in favor of the system since they can be subjected to license revocation and loss of livelihood. A retired professional has no such exposure.
@@jeffmorin5867 Years ago we had a homeowner whose house was built on shrink/swell soil. The county, which issued the building permit settled in a slightly publicized deal. Plans for developments or sub divisions surely must have plans for drainage reviewed before getting permits.
“Warning, there’s a rattlesnake under your chair”
Your not qualified to give that warning because you’re not a licensed herpetologist.
(Yes, I had to look that up.)
Here’s some criminal charges for pointing out our shortcomings.
„You‘re not a doctor, you don’t know what you’re talking about.“
Great analogy.
*falls from chair and breaks his hip*
*turns out it was no dangerous snake after all*
*dude gets charged and cant pay for the lawyer*
*the state has to take over the bills"
Its not that simple. There are reasons for this bureaucracy
So long as he doesn't claim a qualification he hasn't got, he can say what he wants.
@@squattingheads "There are reasons for this bureaucracy" It is illegal for you to talk about the law because you aren't qualified in the law :)
My guess is a lawyer hoped this would scare him away.
@the missile skud Wayne Nutt has the biggest nuts
Bruce Wayne... hes really BATMAN!
Slippin Jimmy
Professional associations are often petty, territorial, and dictatorial. Think HOA!
"professionals are territorial" is not exactly right. Laws regulating professionals confer "territorial rights", similar to 'protectionist laws' against foreign imports. BUT laws requiring registration of professionals exist for reasons (1) professional services which can endanger public safety e.g. medical doctor, lawyers, engineers involved in public works etc nb: in the public domain most engineers are not regulated unless they are involved in works which can endanger public safety. (2) professional services can only be provided by a 'natural person' therefore liabilities are personal; this requires a 'practicing prof. engineer to be personally registered. So even if you are a genius who have an encyclopedic knowledge of medicine you cannot practice as an M.D. if you're not licensed. So the state board of engineers may have a right to take him to court, the only defence of the respondent in this case is the check the remit of the regulations enforce by the state board of engineers. Mitigation too; if he acts on behalf of citizens in this class action suit as an expert, then the first Q the court will examine is his status as a 'competent expert' and in built environment that usually means professional licensure... meaning his expert testimony can be thrown out. Two epilogue (1) licensed professional are legally called 'competent', does not mean non-registered professionals are called incompetent... the correct term is non-competent. (2) Good-Samaritan syndrome: if you provide professional services which attracts civil torts EVEN pro-bono you're immediately liable for civil torts....
@@hplooi The problem here is he's not being charged because he's actually operating without a license. He's being charged for political reasons because he uncovered mistakes. It's a common tactic to try and use professional license restrictions to silence or punish certain kinds of speech.
And although it's true licensure is supposed to be there to make sure qualified professionals do a job, it's inappropriate to apply it to situations where someone isn't doing a job. This guy is qualified but doesn't possess a current license because he's retired and not operating in the field anymore.
There have been some pretty stupid license laws in the past as well. For instance Texas was trying to pass a law requiring a private investigator license to examine computers. In order to get it you need at least 2 years as a police officer. None of that has anything to do with fixing computers or even examining them forensically for evidence of crimes. It threatened the entire computer industry because some lawmakers are stupid.
But in the past, people have been threatened or prosecuted under professional licensure laws for speaking on the wrong subjects and upsetting the wrong people. It's a tactic that was used to suppress the NAACP and other civil rights groups, as well as health enthusiasts, meditation experts, and religious people. The common thread is using these laws in a context where they clearly don't apply.
@@rifter0x0000 At this stage we do not even know whether he "uncovered mistakes".
(1) A chasm exist between theory and practice in engineering. That's why most professional-licensing (in most civilised country) is a 2-stage process (a) accredited academic degree (professional level) and (b) requisite number of years of experience logged under the tutelage of a professional.
(2) He have may provided calculations BUT as a Chemical engineer how much does he understand about outdoor stormwater discharge? It is not just about volume flow and size of discharge pipe and fully understanding Bernoulli's flow equation, it is also about understanding historical data, onsite retention (soil and onsite pondage etc), and tolerance for the site based on zoning-use.
(3) He (the Chemical engineer as respondent) may be right or he may be wrong... BUT to just conclude that he "uncovered mistakes" OR there is some high level conspiracy is ... confirmation bias. The flooding may be many due to many reasons maybe due to maintenance issue, historical data, flaw in construction (which may NOT always be due to corruption... but circumstances more contextual and site oriented etc) .... Of course he may have uncovered mistakes BUT in any court of law he would NOT be admissible as an expert. Last word; Countries with lax regulations or enforcement on regulating professionals in the built-environment suffers MORE PUBLIC WORKS DISASTER than most Western democracy with robust licensing laws. Last last word; China has A LOT OF PUBLIC WORKS DISASTER not because of lack of regulations (in fact they are over regulated) BUT because of corruption in the system. Regulations are fine BUT too much leads to overbureaucracy and corruption...
This is not a professional association, this is a board of politically-appointed bureaucrats.
@@allenjenkins7947 Professional boards "being politically appointed bureaucrats" without knowing the political conditions in the state in question I would hold my opinion on their level of bureaucratise. HOWEVER let me enlighten you on how and why "professional boards" are regulated in common-law countries (which is most Western democracies).
(1) Professional service where regulated by the Govt typically set up an ":oversight" board. Based on the principles of "judged by your peers", said boards would be required to appoint licensed or registered professional (peers) to sit in the board and provide standards and limits to the regulations. You cannot let just any bureaucrat set professional /academic standards and remit of the law according to civil torts. The AMA is by no means merely a "bureaucratic" organ of the state.
(2) Professional boards are deemed "oversight boards" (public interest) NOT regulatory boards (national interest e.g. regulating tariffs etc).
(3) Usually only services deem to be of public safety is regulated. Thus many category of engineers (eg software, energy, agricultural-engineers etc) are not regulated. Heck in some countries they do NOT EVEN have any Board of Engineers (state or federal). Examples India, Australia, UK etc. But when you submit building plans to a local authority they will require you to be registered with the LA. And usually the LA will recognise industry-peer recognised "competency" as the pre-requisite and (maybe) some kind of local residency to be eligible to be registered to submit plans. AND also does not mean that IF NO Board of Engineers any body is scot free to provide his "engineering 2-cents worth". Civil torts kicks in once you claim to provide professional service and your service/ advice (provided pro-bono or paid-service) results in damage to the public. The damage from civil torts are much more SERIOUS compared to statutory misdemeanour
I live in North Carolina and I am very proud of Wayne Nutt. We need more people just like him!
Never forget, there are two things Government employees hate, competition and accountability.
Applies even more to non-Government employees from small businesses to large corporations.
@@DennisMoore664 no it doesnt
@@gehtsienixan4442 Yes it does
@@DennisMoore664 If you say so, bootlicker.
Great argument, fellas
Cheaper to sue him than to pay out for damages I bet.
And save your face in the progress helps I guess
They just sue to silence. It's common practice in the US.
@@Bollibompa And some said USA is a country of the free and just.
Killdozer was also tired of the BS.
Anturangga Tantra yeah... adding 'free' + 'just' sounds like good math until you add humans into the equation.
Reminds me of the college student who did the math on a skyscraper in new york and realized the building would fail in 70 mph wind not the 100 mlh wind it was supposed to be built to. She brought it up in school. The difference is the architect who built the building did not disregard the truth. They went in after hours and fixed the mistake. Not one person in the building knew it until years later
For more information, see the Wikipedia article "Citicorp Center engineering crisis."
Wow hadn't heard of this
The first mistake was only making it tolerable to 100mnh winds............that's a low threshold!
@@MrBottlecapBillunless you live where hurricanes or tornados happen quite often a wind speed of 160km/h is quite rare
I wonder if they're investigating the licensed professional engineer whose faulty design caused this gentleman to become involved in the first place. You know, the person who caused the problem. It's not like this gentleman is signing & sealing design drawings for actual projects. He's just figuring out the shortfall in the orginal analysis and maybe a possible solution (not a binding statement). The NC licensing board should be ashamed. They're clearly protecting their members first, not the public.
they're certainly not investigating.
Exactly
The board needs to be held responsible because they're obviously trying to hide.
The narrator sounds like hes gonna help storm the beaches of Normandy.
I think he's one of the Dukes of Hazzard.
This is the funniest comment I've read in a while😂
He's the one that narrates the story behind Normandy in a cutscene
@adam smith He aint british😭
Mah dearest Rebecca ....
"I WILL ENGINEER WHATEVER I WANT !" on a t-shirt.
"We do not rely on government to decide who gets to speak!" on a t-shirt.
Put those on, send Wayne half of profits for his lawsuit to get these punks. I’ll buy them.
If this were an actual shirt I would buy one.
Only if we put a QR code to P.A. Luty's face
@@asdasd-ty9se sounds good.
Amen! I'm an unlicensed electrician. I go around fixing what larger companies with licensed electricians do incorrectly. See it all the time!
Companies that can afford to "self-insure" themselves don't have to bother with inspections, and therefore don't have to bother with hiring licensed electricians. It's somewhat of a rare thing to find a licensed electrician at companies such as GM. I would say that less than a quarter of the electricians at my old plant had a license. Even far more rare is seeing a state or city inspector at a GM plant. It simply doesn't happen.
And with companies who hire people to "do it all", rather than hiring to fill the actual trade, you are unlikely to get licensed electricians.
@@MrWaalkmanExactly. It’s much more profitable to hire an uneducated “handyman” who is very competent in plumbing, electrical, carpentry, etc. things that used to be just “man skills,” because you basically get 5 skilled workers for the price of 0.6. You can pay them a lot less than some punk kid with no practical experience but all his book learning and “licenses” and “certifications.”
Weren't the people who created the storm water issue "licensed engineers" lol
Wheelie Kings exactly. I’m a degreed engineer and I approve this message.
That is really the crux of the issue, a bunch of karens can't handle being schooled by an intelligent concerned individual.
@Breve Stule are you an engineer?
In a typical engineering office, business or government, often the majority of the engineers are not licensed, some because they do not yet have the requisite years of experience, [which varies from one state to another, where I live it's 4 years], or they have been unable to pass the exam, or their employer does not require it. In these shops there ARE usually licensed engineers [often the managers], and the work of the unlicensed ones is reviewed and approved by those that are. At least, that is how it is supposed to work.
@@JohnH0130 they used to call EIT Engineer In Training. I think they just call ET now.
america: freedom of speech
american: *speaks*
america: that's illegal.
This is why America isn’t the best country in the world anymore
@@widerkollektor5396 was it ever?
@@havardmj so you think America was wrong to fight against real Nazis, in WW2?? Ever??
@@lynchcreekmuzzy5759 the Soviet Union also fought the Nazis, that didn't stop the Red Scare did it?
@@lynchcreekmuzzy5759 the soviets did more. The US has never had a reason to exist
Exactly! We the people have a right to speak and have our voices heard!
Not anymore.
No, apparently not any longer.
@Dr. Khutmah LheghofThe act of asking permission to speak is an act of treason. Unless it is to endorse what our government wants us to think
@Mike Marrone I'm a veteran, and I'm certainly not a democrat. However, I strongly believe in freedom, rights & democracy. If this new, woke world really is what many people want, then be it, I'm up for a civil war. I don't want it as such, but the bill for our freedom is apparently due, it's time for us to pay.
WITHOUT REPRISAL FROM THE GOVERNMENT
As a retired Engineering Surveyor, I can attest to how easily “Licensed Engineers” can make mistakes. A.number of times I have been out in the field, setting out drainage lines on mine sites and have seen pipes “designed” to flow backwards - ie try to get gravity flow stormwater to run uphill. A mistake that was blatantly obvious in the field but easily miscalculated in a busy design office.
Aye. Engineers aren't perfect, and believing them to be can lead to dangerous failures to check for flaws. Defending an engineering mistake doesn't do anyone any good in the long term, and pride isn't worth someone's life.
I agree, though if he where to have used the title "engineer" or had attempted to misrepresent himself, while giving advice to a plaintiff in a court case, as being an engineering then, at least here in Canada, he would have been committing a crime. if all he did was give his professional opinion as a former engineer or as a chemical scientist then I fully agree that should be within his rights to do. but to give someone advice present in a legal case while misrepresenting yourself as apart of the profession is deeply immoral and is a great example of why the term should deserves to be protected. imagine if a doctor who didn't have a current medical license had given his opinion on a nabors care while misrepresenting himself as a physician leading to them persuing a less effective method of treatment, there's no mallace in that act but it can absolutely cause harm
Guy: "Here's some advice. I hope it helps"
Government: "Hey, we haven't authorized you to give people advice!"
Guy: I'm an professional, take my findings and opinions and consider them during this legal proceeding.
Government: Apparently you're not, and you're not allowed to lie about that for the financial gain of your son. I'm afraid you're gonna need to give that money back.
How is he not a professional if he's worked as a chemical engineer for over 40 years?
@@davidmarshall3683 There's a man named Kent Hovind. He spent a few years teaching Sunday school at an evangelical church. Got a mail order PhD in "christian education" from an unaccredited University based out of Pastor Lonnie Skinner's garage in Del Norte Colorado. He claims to be a retired science teacher before telling gullible people wrong things about science.
My local school district is currently looking to hire a custodial engineer. Full time, must have a highschool education and be boiler operator certified, criminally underpaid. I can only assume the man he's replacing also tells people he worked as an engineer, but hopefully not for 40 years.
The only thing I know about Wayne Nutt's qualifications is that he wasn't qualified to testify as an engineer. That he's suing the state for having standards he has failed to meet is not something I support.
@@Jermbot15 A title is just a title, what matter is the work. If it is proven wrong or somehow misleading, then he could be charged for something. But if I know the truth and I'm not entitled to say it, then I cannot say it? I believe that everyone could be anything, and the person to decide whether to accept your words or not should be themselves. That's called the risk of trust, something that we're always living with.
@@davidmarshall3683 Professional Engineer (PE) is a regulated title that has specific requirements, like becoming a licensed MD, DDS, etc. PE licensure requires having a BS in engineering from an ABET accredited college, passing the Fundamentals of Engineering (FE) exam, working directly under a licensed PE for 4 years, and passing the Professional Engineering (PE) exam.
Most engineers aren't PE's. PE generally are needed to sign off on designs and drawings when an error could result catastrophic loss of life or property.
Passing oneself off as a PE is akin to practicing medicine or law without a license.
So, a Professional Engineering (PE) license from a state is necessary for a firm to give the official, signed approval of a design to be built. The potential misdemeanor discussed in video would be appropriate, for example, if the architects signed off on it with someone who isn't licensed. Literally anyone can purchase a fluid mechanics book and calculate the storm drain's flow capacity. This is an open and shut case, and the state engineering board brings shame to itself by this conduct.
But wouldnt that be the architect who got it wrong's mistake for not checking that the person who made the proposal is a licensed engineer? (Obviously not if the person lied and said they were a licensed engineer. Then the person lying is just criminal.) It would be something akin to a journalist not checking out a sources credentials but taking their word for it.
I think the thing is that his work has weight and impact
now they will "investigate" him whether he is really an engineer or a fraud
As he is a retired engineer they will close the case
Imagine an ala Trump guy who starts making trouble around
@@JillRhoads the stakes are a little higher with engineering than journalism. Its the same as having licensed electricians and such.
@@JillRhoads Yes, but just because the architects would be to blame for being duped, that doesn't mean the fraudster duping them is free of blame.
It takes two to tango.
The architects have a responsibility to seek out licensed professionals, but someone conning them into accepting them as said licensed professional is still to blame for their deception as well.
This is where I am confused. As a Canadian, the law is that Engineer is a legal title, like Lawyer or Doctor. You can't just call yourself one, regardless of your knowledge. If you do, the professional body will take action.
It was odd listening to this video and how many times this gentleman was called and Engineer despite his lack of license. That alone would cause and issue.
Did he ever describe himself as an engineer when submitting his work? If so, this seems a valid case.
If the math and science add up then it shouldn't matter who did the calculations or whether they were licensed. Facts are facts.
Indeed. Simple peer-review. That's all that is needed.
When it comes to engineering, only the numbers should speak because humans have proven to be unreliable again and again.
His "peers" are the ones trying to shut him up.
When assigning blame and money it does. ;)
In Oregon, it has now been decreed that "math is racist"!
Facts ARE facts, unless you have something to hide.
Makes you wonder who's covering up what?
At a city meeting, they had refused to release the formula on how they determined allowable house size for subdividing property until the meeting(before cell phones, but palm pilots). Quick math showed they had done their math wrong, allowing houses several thousand feet too big- talk about a flustered city Council when a little “girlie”stands up and tells the rude, AH city engineer that his math is wrong…Ended up with a demand to have my house reinspected for taxes shortly after that…No one else in neighborhood had this happen-hmmmm.
I can't believe I listened to this whole thing thinking it was an Onion post.
Goes to show how stupid and absurd the government is, that we would mistake headlines of them to be from the Onion
yeah me 2 I thought his name was some Deez nuts joke
@@MM-vs2et the onion somehow make much more sense now days
Ive been seeing a lot of real news thinking its Onion posts lmao
Yeah, it doesn't help that the narrator sounds like a South Park character :D Can anyone please help me pinpoint what his accent is?
Prison cellmate: So what are you in for?
This guy: Engineering.
Prison cellmate: *slides to the other end of the bench*
Literally just. "I did some math with formulas i found online"
A very very Dangerous Man
Why? Did he ordered a t-bone steak and a custom mattress and an ipod?
Prison break!
And disturbing the peace...and they moved back.
"You're allowed to tell us we screwed up, but only if we give you permission"
Yeah, that's not how that works. Please absolutely wreck this engineering board. Get them disbanded if possible. What a bunch of tools.
That’s the catch. If he was licensed they would have forced him to change story or loose license or revoke his license and use that to discredit him.
I prefer that those involved just be taken out back and beaten half to death to think about their actions. This is the only accountability that works for these people.
@@mtpstv94 Don't be silly, what proof do you have that any of those involved are capable of thinking?
Narp! Tools are useful.....
2:04 _“The first amendment means the government can’t ban talking about engineering.”_
- *Scary thing how this even have to be said in the first place! Is this the world now?*
Unfortunately yes and I just wonder what's the point of this all.
It isn't as simple as that. It wasn't merely talking abt engineering. Providing consultancy, even if pro-bono, is not allowed since he aint licensed. That's the main reason why he was investigated.
@@johnwig285 That is a violation of the first amendment. He has the right to talk and write to anyone freely with out government persecution.
Yes and the second amendment is there if that gets violated.
@@EsOoBaCtvp he has no right to act as an expert witness. Just stop
As a former engineer myself, all we do all day long is look at everything around us & figure out: how it works, was built, design issues, faults, etc. Part of being an engineer is understanding you don't know everything about everything. You have to be open to other people seeing things you don't & who have other experiences/expertise. The municipal engineering department should be ashamed of themselves not for making a mistake, but for attacking this guy. When ego gets in the way, problems happen.
The Board is not wrong. He is TESTIFYING without a license in an official capacity. He may or may not be competent in what he is talking about. What he should have done is performed calculations, then worked with a licensed PE in that area of competency to present his findings. I am an engineer too bud, I hope you haven't forgotten your ethics.
@@enriquehernaiz7285 In the clip he flat out says he is no longer a licensed PEng. If he testified otherwise (which was not brought up in the video) then he is in the wrong. The legal team should have flushed this out prior to him speaking to clearly disclose he no longer holds a license. However, this matter has now turned into litigation on if a board can limit someone's speech because they used to have a PEng license. So we will find out once the legal outcome is known. Gear down big rig.
Licensed or not it is just that he stopped paying the fee for the engineering union. He's the same man with the same abilities and the same skill. If the maths/method in his justification is correct it is correct! The rest is bureaucratic BS!
@@enriquehernaiz7285 is Another Troll.....
I gather you're employed by the Public Office that's attacking this guy?
He NEVER claimed to be a Licensed/Professional or Civil Engineer... He simply stated how long he has been an engineer. If I had done the same calculations and never had any formal education as an engineer and proceeded to testify in a Court of Law they would TRY attacking me all the same.
It's Called Corruption Mr. Hernia
@@tomg1066 are licenses not something to recognise somebodies legitimacy of their professional role?
In australia Financial Advisors have been shoved out of the industry from corruption with a bill that has passed, requiring all financial advisors to have passed an exam set by the government. The industry may contain people with the knowledge and skills without being licensed of course but there are recognised standards to follow in general today.
For the gentleman's case in the video, there's a grey area definitely so until the outcome in court is seen, i don't think anyone should have the ability to make a judgement on the situation based upon the uniqueness of this scenario.
Old story. Too bad he's still fighting this. They were trying to silence him for proving that they were doing something wrong by trying to charge him with a crime.
Threatening people is a cheap first step to shutting them up.
He should lose. Free speech doesn't protect threats to public safety, and he was doing engineering involving public works and safety.
@@larrygilbert7273 He wasnt building anything, just saying an opinion about what had been built.
@@Peter-qd7do - Precisely.
@Bill Bob The courts have ruled that public safety CAN trump free speech, when it's in the public interest. Having only licensed engineers engaged in public engineering is one such area.
We need more people like him. 👍
As an engineer myself this is not a good trend. I hope the lawsuit IJ is bringing is successful.
it's not just engineers. It's doctors, hair dressers, attorneys, even car mechanics in places.
Usually the "license boards" are created by local politicians who have a friend or family member in a specific profession who wants to have potential competitors shut out from starting "on their turf".
Rubbish! These laws exist to keep people from passing themselves off as experts. I am sure you don't want some guy with only a high school education removing your appendix. I feel bad for this guy who genuinely just seems to want to help, but the laws exist for a reason. If he really wants to help, he could get his cert and then work for free.
@@garyscarborough4346 Nice hyperbole. The news is overrun with stories of imposters removing people's organs....
In this instance and many others that have popped up these people are not passing themselves off as licnesed professionals but when someone has an engineering degree and has spent a career in the field gathering experience having a governmetn board telling them that they cannot provide any input on engineering subjects or even call themselves engineers is not an appropriate use of government force.
There is a signfiicant difference between someone performing a surgery or approving a large building project and someone saying "hey your math and science are wrong" in a forumn where they coudl then be refuted if appropriate. In the case of hair dressers, auto mechanics and any number of other skills licensing is hardly an indicator fo quality but rather acts as a gatekeeper to prevent people form using their skills to earn a living.
I think the point is that they are accusing him of practicing without a license….he’s offering ‘professional’ advice as to why a pipe may have failed. Maybe he should’ve made it clear to say something along the lines of “I’m not telling you what to do anything, but if it were ME”. There’s just so much liability, that’s why you just stay out of it……and when it goes bad, you can be a jerk and say “welp, I tried to tell ya”. He made some precise engineering calculations when he didn’t have a license. People love helpful information; just not the government. I can see both sides of the argument, I just make a centrist argument.
Not exactly. The reason for the license is that you can't just have anyone calling themselves an engineer and giving advice. You don't want a street pharmacist giving you advice on your asthma regimen so why is it different here? Now if the people he did the work for or he himself took his information to a licensed engineer for verification, that board wouldn't have a leg to stand on for a lawsuit.
That said, this is a frivolous lawsuit. While he may have broken rules on giving advice as an engineer in his state, he clearly has the background to do the work he does so long as it's in his field.
If he was licenced they would just threaten him losing his licence.
Truth! 100%
No they wouldn't. That's the reason they're going after him because he's doing "engineering" work without a PE license which is illegal. It's like a person with an MD doctorate degree, going around doing "doctor" work without a medical license. Literally the same thing.
@@saratoga123321 Except that he apparently _wasn't_ paid for providing his advice, so likely _wasn't_ "providing engineering services to the public", and wouldn't require a license.
In other words, the law does not prevent you providing help or guidance for free to your relatives, friends, and neighbors.
CORRECT! THAT HAPPEND TO ME.
@@pulaski1 - it's a bit of a gray area. If he's preparing documents that are being used in public meetings then the board of licensure could take issue. It would be nice if they actually showed what he did. It doesn't take a genius or an engineer to figure out when a drain pipe is jacked up. Probably the county or a developer installed an undersized pipe coming out of a detention basin and it's not draining which is flooding houses. I'm guessing based on the few plats and the drain structure they sort of flashed in the video. I'm not licensed in North Carolina so I hope those fools don't send me a letter. lol.
That's high-level cowardice when someone wants to do the right thing and the system tries to silence him!
Fuck Jesus
Just like in USSR
@@thegameranch5935 nociram etallac
@@olugo999 what
How do you know it is the right thing? There is insufficient information to reach any conclusion.
In a world run by corrupt criminals speaking the truth is a crime...
Ukraine one of the most corupt countries in the World...
The government doesn’t like it when their failures are put out in the open.
Or criticized
They never do. They don't want to be proven wrong.
Remember Mr Assange? Snowden?
@@georgetello1247 which makes them look more stupid
Constant failures*
So, by their own logic, if this guy is an unlicensed engineer, that would mean he's just some random citizen doing math. Since when is that a crime?
You have to step back and realize WHAT exactly licenses are... they are King's permissions slips required to earn a living. 1/3 of American industries requires permission from Der fuhrer to engage in economic activity. This is Fascism. This is why on Schindlers list you saw Oscar having to join the party to gain a license to operate a factory.
when it becomes fraud. yeah, I know, Americans have long forgotten what "fraud" even means. Hell, they fucking elect KNOWN conmen to elected office, even POTUS.
@@TheBelrick It kind of makes sense that you would require a license to work in some fields, like for example a license to practice medicine as a doctor. On the other hand, its a system that is ripe for abuse and authoritarianism
@@thomasneal9291 I know look at Biden & Trump
The biggest flaw with their logic is this unlicensed engineer did better engineering then the licensed ones.
I’d like to see the names of the officials who sent the investigation letter. Such persons should not be anywhere near power, and should be fired.
fired… into the sun, with a cannon!
Heh, it's not a hard guess what their surnames sound like. Look up who you couldn't critize throughout history and you'll find your answer.
It was a 25 year old fresh out of college.
Yep people my age are being indoctrinated now rather than educated. They will play dirty and throw people under the bus to cover their own incompetence.
“Licensed professionals are not the only people who have expertise” are some important words by this guy. Government wants their officials to reign without consequences.
Really? I'd like to hear the government's side too. This video provides only the barest of information.
We need more people like him
Really like this guy, he has worked to be competent throughout his life and must have a great pool of knowledge, probably exceeding that of younger practicing engineers. He then helps his community freely with his time and effort. Value such people, they inform the future!
You’d be surprised he may be a better engineer than a lot of those who apparently are licensed professional engineers 🤷🏻♀️
He probably was licensed but just didn't renew it. If you didn't renew your drivers license it doesn't mean you no longer know how to drive.
@@blipco5 yup he's retired lol
Cat
You nailed it. Most young Engineering is auto CAD.
They just let the computer do it. Never open a book like old school
Engineering. Just look at a 245 Cat executors( first series) The boom cylinders. How reinforced they were to boom structure. Now look at a New machine. The Boom cylinder is only attached to cylinder ring. ( the pin you remove
Bucyrus- Erie, Company
Sadly Cat Bought them
They built some stout Equipment over the years.
depends what future you mean... These state & county areas are full of bloated government tics that throw people in jail on civil charges, defer to government instead of logic and the best outcome. Government has become an agency designed to fight against pesky citizens... Government protects government at all times. Damn pesky Wayne trying to make sure things are done correctly, the nerve of a citizen to question the government.
“You need a license to act in a professional capacity!”
“I didn’t get paid and had no contract, I just gave advice”
“…suing anyway!”
It's not even advice, it's logic based on 45y of professional experience. I wonder if the politicians have licenses....
Advising also licensed business. Like finance advising etc. He just doing research with his own experience, own skills and own opinion. Hope he sue state to the ground.
@@zadekeys2194
There are no politicians involved in this...
@@Bollibompa the North Carolina Board of Examiners could be seen as a bureaucracy, thus the leading officials of the Board as politicians.
Actually he was trying testify as an "expert" (and not as a private citizen) in a court case for his lawyer son.
He is a chemical engineer not civil or hydro.
This happens alot w/ state or local "engineers" and their ego . My father PhD engineering Professor was constantly in battle with the Texas state board who would allow graduates of Tx A&M an automatic license but others had to take an outdated test every other year . BIG EGO for A&M against everyone .
That's some institutional insanity right there. NOT new, NOT unheard of. GOAL: Protect against competent review.
How long ago was this?
So if anyone on the board cooked dinner without being a licensed chef, they should be sued? o0
LOL ;)
Oh ffs 😂
It's more along the lines of saying if someone ordered a medium rare steak and they brought him a rare steak and asked for it to be cooked a little longer
More of like if anyone on the board went to a restaurant, asked for food and complained to chef that the food is raw-like how does HE know it’s raw? He’s not licensed by the North Carolina’s Chef’s Association, he doesn’t have the right credentials to tell the chef that it’s raw smh
no BUT if they did not have a public health card for handling food though....
It’s good to know there still are people who do their best just for the goodness sake. Keep on doing your good work sir.
This man is 77? Doesn't look a year over 60.
Even though thats not the point of the video the entire time I was like "wait, there is no way that guy is nearly 80. Early to mid 60's yes, but nearly 80? Nope" and thus barely even thought about the stupidity of some board trying to make maths illegal. I think they should have put his age *much* further into the video 🤣
If he would shave his beard he wouldn't look a year over 50 :)
Thanks you Wayne for making the government accountable and to make them do a better job by the citizens.
He wasn't charged randomly, he probably got on the nerve of some "licensed" engineer for pointing out mistakes and he tipped him off
Or simply on the nerve of the opposing attorney or attorneys in the case.
Demand to see the licenses of everyone on the engineering board and all who work there, and I bet you would be surprised how few have them.
If that is so, he should be able to make it very uncomfortable for the other engineer and for the members of the board.
He can go public with his analysis and then embarrass publicly the engineer that complained. He can likewise embarrass the officials that appoint the members of the board. A good Atty from the ACLU of IJ should be able to cut this malicious behavior.
Pinpoint exactitude
This sounds like somebody in a position of power and authority is trying to hide something, so they trumped up some false charges to try and incriminate this person.
Exactly..Could not have said it better myself.
Yep
“In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act” - G. Orwell
and then they toss rats into the cage your head is in...also George.
Oh please, these people are one step away from being Sovereign Citizens.
@@duncreg Let me guess, you're one of the people who destroyed New York State...
its not 1984 goofy ass its america
It's really about control. If he had been licensed then they may have just threatened to pull his license for speaking out, threatening his livelihood. He doesn't have a license so they are attacking him a different way.
This doesn’t surprise me. He found something they didn’t want to deal with so their looking for an easy way out. Been there. As soon as the situation turns into votes for a campaign, then you’ll get all kinds of proactive help.
Same thing with that Oil spill in usa. The corp said nothing can be done. People find way to solve it and the corporation sue them for 'not qualified'. What a bs
They aren't pissy because he isn't licensed. They're pissy because, if his calculations are found to be correct, those calculations could be the basis for lawsuits.
Bucks are the bottom line.
@@donmiller2908 bucks and having to face the consequences of your action. Some people do all in there power to save there faces.
That's essentially corruption if the rules don't apply because you have money or the right connections.
@@ian1352 "Corruption? In _my_ USA?"
It's more likely than you think!
What this really comes down to is this:
The city's engineer IS licensed by the North Carolina Board of Examiners for Engineers and Surveyors (it's a requirement in most states that have an engineering licensing system that government engineers hold such a license), and HE SHOWED UP THE LICENSED ENGINEER while being one of the "unwashed" unlicensed engineers.
This is REALLY more about the North Carolina Board of Examiners for Engineers and Surveyors protecting their licensing racket.
I've come to believe and realize that most licensing processes are indeed rackets. I've heard the one in the architectural field is especially egregious.
Well think about it, if current licensees are unethical they will want to gatekeep and protect their monopoly on business contracts and advice they can charge for. Very mafia-like.
I think there's more enough business to go around and I think they should stop being gangsters and scumbags. There are already civil violations under the FTC call unfair trade practices, this needs to be one of them.