I visited ADNV and tested their digital night vision devices
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- I visited ADNV in Beijing! I brought my L3 AN/PVS-14 with a Harris Omni VIII Gen 3 thin-film tube as well as my NVG30 to test against their latest devices. Let's see how they compare.
00:00 Intro
01:20 Contents
02:01 Sensor module tests
02:22 NL2 moonlight test
06:28 NL4 starlight test
11:01 NL5 extreme low-light test
13:52 Finished units tests (ADNV-G14SE vs ADNV-G14P2 vs NVG30 vs PVS-14)
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Yeah that is very impressive, looking forward to seeing part 2.
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Yes I am! And I can't wait to share more vids with you all!
Your film-making and story-telling is incredible, keep up the great content!
(Edit) And regarding these sensors, they look incredible, thanks for showing us the behind-the-scenes.
Great video here. There's no question that ADNV makes some very intriguing night vision products. One objection I have to the final test is it would have been better to record the NVG30 with the same smartphone rather than the onboard recording feature of the NVG30 because the view through the viewfinder is able to detect slightly more light and I belive there is a chance something could have been seen at the NL4 starlight level. Also, the price on the ADNV units are all 3-4x greater than the NVG30 which is also important to note. It is very impressive that the G14 P2 seemed to outperform the PVS14 at NL5. Overall this video was very well done though and was awesome to see you visit the factory and test these devices out in such an advanced way with the lighting environent so precisely controlled. It was very exciting to watch.
Many thanks! Glad you enjoyed the vid! And I agree; the NVG30 is definitely still very much worth the price, their performance is absolutely dominant for the budget NV segment and being able to see color in moonlight is really nice too. In fact, I have you to thank for my decision to get one haha, your vids on the NVG30 are awesome. As for the tests, the O8 PVS-14 and the G14P2 seem to produce roughly the same amount of signal, it's just that they're more visible on the G14P2 in the video because the digital imaging pipeline is pushing all the signals from the shadows into the midtones, while in the O8 tube, the same details in the shadows are darker but still visible to the naked eye; but this did mean the phone cam wasn't able to expose those details properly in the O8 PVS-14 footage.
Can't wait for part 2. Very informative
Sionyx would be sweating if the g14p2 came to the US.
Or maybe SiOnyx would start using ADNV sensors too, heard rumors that SiOnyx are evaluating these sensors.
Silly question, but if you’re in the 🇺🇸 how does one purchase the unit?
They currently have an Alibaba store up, albeit the platform seems to have inflated the prices a bit. So it may be worth dealing with ADNV directly via their email. I got my GF31 and the G14P2 directly from them
adnvsys.m.en.alibaba.com/
I didn't really understand, are the other sensors going to ve implemented in future products? The color one and the global shutter one seem interesting.
I'm guessing so. There are definitely more devices coming through their product line pipeline.
Impressive
Damn nice, I'm happy it's finally gotten to a point like that, I'd say it's still not comparable to a gen 3 in some other aspects but it's still great value, especially for people living outside the US.
This exactly. It's not exactly a clean cut replacement for high end IIT NV, rather, it serves as a very viable alternative. It already beats out all the gen 2+ I've tried including Echos, but the battery life still won't compare to IIT NV solutions. However, you lose some and you gain some. ADNV's CMOS based NV is basically indestructible and has no practical limit on lifespan.
still images are fine and all, but digital mostly struggles with motion blur/frame rate and reaction time. how's that with the new device?
Very well controlled. They refresh at 100fps and have quite short exposure times, I've done sprinting and shooting with them and motion blur has never been an issue. Another common problem with digital NODs is rolling shutter. I also have the NVG30 which uses a Starvis sensor and it has atrocious rolling shutter distortion when panning. The ADNV sensor reads out about 1000x faster than Starvis sensors (16 microsecond readout on the ADNV vs 10-20ms+ on most off-the-shelf solutions) and hence has none of the rolling shutter issues too.
can you do some pla mre reviews please?
Where do we buy these products? Are they available for export?
They have an Alibaba store, though it may be worth trying to contact them directly since the Alibaba store prices seem a bit inflated.
adnvsys.m.en.alibaba.com/index.html
when is part two going to drop? Also curious about other sensors with color? And a forsure price on unit
Hopefully this weekend, work has been a little hectic and I haven't had the time to edit everything together.
@@hypemilitaria6447 Looking forward to it
thanks for the hype
Wonder if this will finally convince the folk over at r/nightvision of the viability of DNV. Everytime it comes up its the same tired excuses, not real NV, cheap chinese crap, why spend $X when $Y will get you a gen 3 white phos that an L3 unicorn pooped out (conveniently forgetting how many people live outside the US). Especially since it seems to be of at least gen 3 performance, and yet still comes in around the same price of not cheaper than an opsin. Still a steep price, but its actually quite good value. Hopefully i can get my hands on one eventually 😭
Yeah, their G14P2 costs the same as a new PVS-14 with a new NVT4 tube. Not exactly cheap, especially for digital NV. But on the other hand, you get gen 3 levels of performance as well as the unlimited lifespan and durability of digital CMOS for your money. So depending on how you view their devices, it's actually quite worth the cash.
We from r/nightvision are correct. Many of us have started with and have tested many digital units against analog. Lag and the constant need for IR flood is why it's not used for the stuff we do. Now, if we were running airsoft or wanted to play with cool toys, that's where the digital will come in.
@Tattlebot Still not good enough. For us to even consider using these, there has to be absolutely zero lag. Zero. Quality of image is also another issue.
Great video, in a few years ITAR will shoot itself in the foot.
The main question is: when, finally, will at least 1"
of such highly sensitive sensors begin to be integrated into smartphones?
That would be cool, especially if combined with a fast and compact lens. But I doubt phone companies will be super enthusiastic to put such a specialized sensor into their devices.
id love to try the digital NV though, i havent had anything better than the old gen 3 tbh
"I visited ADNV in Beijing! I brought my L3 AN/PVS-14 with a Harris Omni VIII Gen 3 thin-film tube as well as my NVG30 to test against their latest devices. Let's see how they compare." How can you bring L3 PVS-14 outside USA ? Is this against the law please ?
The tube was already in China when I bought it haha. Somehow, there are significant quantities of them making it across the Pacific to Asia and across the Atlantic to Europe.
@@hypemilitaria6447 🤫
Ask Biden. You can't bring it out of the country, but if Biden left a warehouse full of these in another country it's fair game. 😂
Sketchy af if you ask me.
if you guys think 16mm is 1 inch you should revisit your product info...
and 1.7" is not 26.4mm, did u guys even try? 25.4mm is 1 inch
They're using the exact same size reporting convention as other major sensor manufacturers, including Sony. Phone and camera manufacturers also report sizing using this convention. It's weird, I know, but this is a half century old convention that applied to vidicon tubes (the sizes they report is actually saying this sensor is equivalent to a 1" vidicon tube, not that it is actually 1" across) yet is somehow still used by everyone today.
www.lumenera.com/blog/sensor-size-matters
@@hypemilitaria6447 im a machinist and engineer, but anyone can google this and see you're wrong. 25.4mm is one inch. period.
@@hypemilitaria6447 let's see you pull out your 16mm, it's probably 1 inch :D
@@hypemilitaria6447 that range is also a landscape shot from 16-24mm and yours is not.
In terms of low light performance, digital NV already destroyed analog tubes 10 years ago.
That's the reason why we'll be using digital night vision on vehicles in future.
The problem is this doesn't translate to helmet mounted night vision. You still look at a unnatural digital screen with limited FPS. And even with 480 FPS it wouldn't replace the natural view from analog IITs.
Thats the reason why we still use analog tubes for soldiers. Its chemical and in real time. Its physic.
But for every other use case, digital will win.
@@TattlebotADNV's devices are quite far from simply car cams shoehorned into a mono. ADNV is incredibly vertically integrated; their parent company is actually a chipmaker and they design and fab the CMOS sensors and ASICs used in their devices in-house. Hence, ADNV has complete control over every part of the imaging pipeline and has hence optimized everything for wearable NV, including high sensitivity, low latency and low rolling shutter (16 microseconds, which is a 1000x improvement over most off the shelf solutions including Starvis, with 20+ms readouts).
@@Tattlebot That's the reason why we'll still use Analog NV for helmets in the future.
Digital just doesn't fit the role for serious work. (Helmet mounted)
But Digital will replace rifle mounted NV scopes. Also on vehicles. It's already in the process.
@aesthetic8780 it can be used on helmets just fine. You just cant wear is nonstop because of the eyestrain. Take a look at the ivas
Digital isn’t the way for nv. We need cheap Chinese tubes to come out. There’s nothing really holding them back.
Except ITAR.
@@xc8487 I thought the whole device was regulated, not the tube. That sucks
Digital will become better and cheaper in the future
@@ID-9999 Exactly ! The MTF is much better !
First, I would like to state, this is a very informative and well-made video. However, it is very unfortunate that you appear to have committed a felony. WHAT's this you say? While you may have been ignorant of the fact you committed a crime, (when you took your PVS-14 to China) the government is clear regarding the matter. The unlicensed export of a controlled device (PVS-14) outside of the United States is crime. Export of these items falls under the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) which controls the export and import of defense-related articles and services on the United States Munitions List (USML)123.
ITAR compliance requires obtaining the proper licenses and approvals for exporting defense articles (your PVS-14) PRIOR to leaving the country and (exporting) the controlled item your (PVS-14). Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, (it really is an informative video). My advice remove the video from RUclips, and pray the Government does not investigate to see if you did in fact export the controlled item, (not saying you did because I stopped watching before I saw anything that would be considered proof a crime had been committed - don't want to be an accomplice). But, if you did good luck as the Govt. takes this seriously, ask Eric Snowden if you don't believe me.
My recommendation, next time you get an idea like this consult an attorney or study/investigate any applicable laws. Remember, ignorance is not a defense in court, ask any convicted felon. I am pretty sure when you purchased the Item, (if it was from a licensed retailer), you were informed of the ITAR restrictions upon purchase or given the applicable clause with the device, as it is required by law for the retailer. Don't believe me? Look on Optics planet for NVG's and tell me it is not listed.
Hi! Thanks for your concern. However, I am not a US citizen nor have I obtained this unit in the US nor transported it across any international border. I actually obtained the unit here in China.
Edit: When I took the flight, it was from one Chinese city to another.
You know.... It appears that your breaking the law impersonating an attorney. Are you an attorney? A Judge? You know thats a serious crime. Its a felony... Impersonating an Attorney in any Country! I wonder how many laws you have broken?
Maybe Im totally wrong. Probably am... Ill bet you own a Tesla? believe the world is going to end next week due to climate change?
Just a suggestion.... Instead of looking for youtube criminals to prosecute with your keyboard... why not enjoy informative videos?