One day I was fired from my job and they wanted me to sign papers and do an exit interview. I turned in my badge and uniform then left without signing anything. They called me and told me I needed to do an exit interview and dry clean my uniform. It's company policy. I reminded them they had terminate my employment so I was no longer subject to their policies. They threatened withhold the amount of the dry cleaning from my final pay. I told them they can either show me signed paperwork agreeing to allow them to withhold my pay or send me my full pay on payday. Otherwise I'll contact the labor board. I got my full pay.
You can sure bet [even if you're not a betting person] that they as sure as anything could fire you on Friday and THAT would be perfectly acceptable in line with company policy.
The first story reminds me of a conflict I had with a theater director, I quit on them the same way and he would call me back with apologies, name calling, brow beating, etc. I didn’t go back to him. He even lost more cast members as a result.
"It's against Company Policy to quit on a Friday" It is, however, not against my contract. and as I will no longer be working for the company, I no longer have any reason or responsibility to abide by company policy. Good day sir, and may god have mercy on your soul.
Given how I've quit jobs in the past, i would've have looked them in the eye and said, "Ok, I won't quit on a Friday. I quit today. Wish I could say i liked working for you"
Story 1: "You can't quit on a Friday" "Okay...then I quit on Thursday when I clock out." They really thought that insulting you was a great way to convince you to help them out? Morons. Story 2: Always have an "Outside Consultant" rate handy for just such an emergency...I would suggest at least 300% of you previous hourly wage. Story 3: Bravo OP! Making a visual reference of you current projects was brilliant!
Back around 2000 or 2001, my workplace decided to devote one of two Thursdays a month to meetings. I still recall the poor patient whom I met in the hall who had not been told about this new policy and had come in for her regular appointment. Yes, it WAS the kind of place where no thought was given to such things. To give another example, some years after I started there, the hospital went from a letter and number designation for each room to a four number designation. Years after that, they realized that no one had written the numbers on the blueprints, which still had the original letters and numbers. So the rooms were changed back -- but no one thought to change the patients' forms which gave directions to their appointments. Need I mention that those patient forms listed room numbers, but no department names?
Story 1: the vary simple thing that managers don't want to understand, is that "company loyalty" goes both ways, it's the same scenario with the army, take care of your soldiers and they'll take care of you, but if you bully them, power play, or grind them under your heel, like they're the grotesque version of 1952 and the obsolete man, they will write "GFY" in their resignation letter telling them just how much they don't care for your job
I worked for a company that the Old Guys at the top and owner described IT and servers like some old accounting machines. IT professionals are overpriced clerks to quote the owner and CFO. Where the company made the vast majority of the money was Military Contracts for a product. Their contracts required an IT security and compliance officer. They owner was forced to hire me and my salary was expensive in his mind. The company installed a commercially licensed database software that improved production and reduced production quality problems. Profits increased and more orders from the Military. Unfortunately the Database Admin never received a salary increase in four years. When he requested a increase to market the CFO yelled he was overpaid and should get a 15% salary reduction. The company had hired a Database analyst and she was smart and talented. When the DB admin quit for a job that paid 40% more the analyst was promised a big increase in two years if she was successful. Now two years later she met with the CFO and CEO about their promise. The answer was no even though she made 1/3 of what the salary for Database Admin current market. The next day she went to resign except the CEO gave her a contact to sign immediately. It said if she resigned she would pay the company $250 k for the education the company invested in her. It was illegal in that State but the CFO had security at the door and tried to physically force her. Except she texted her husband a police officer. In minutes large amount of police officers were in the building and the CFO arrested. Then it got ugly for the company and the old guys retired overnight. Love your stories
I would normally say this is fake...but yeah, had something similar happen in my town about 5 years ago. Made the local paper, and the business was shut down as about half the remaining staff came forward to say they were 'encouraged' to sign some really nasty contracts by the boss taking them into a room with some rather large gentlemen. Technically nothing was 'threatened' exactly, but yeah. He got caught because this employee was smart enough to have her cellphone on, and called the bluff...which turned out not to be one, and the moron made it a direct threat. Lovely to be someone in that courtroom as he tried to defend it as 'standard business practice'.
Can't quit on a Friday? Well if my last two employers were any indication, Y'all sure can fire my ass on a Friday for no damn reason. Hell with y'all, I'm out!
As a programmer, I once had a manager in a large computer manufacturer. I supported two sites, one in Manhattan and the other about thirty miles away out on Long Island. I had two projects, one at each site (this was way before remote computing), that my boss wanted me to get done ASAP. "Which one has top priority," I asked him as he walked away. His answer? "Both."
You'd like me as a leader, my response would have started the same, but then been "look at the projects and let me know which you can get done quicker. That will be the main priority until you finish it, then move to the other."
A long time ago I learned that 3 things work best as "a two way street" they are: Respect, Loyalty, and Communication! These companies miserably failed in all three!!!
The end of the first story is pretty much a conversation with my 13 year old. Him: Can I have some cookies? OK, you can have 5. Him: 6? 4. Him: 7? 3. Him: 8? 2. Him: 6? 4. Him: 9? 0. He got the hint and took the 5 cookies.
The development initiative sounds like the Team Building BS that a director of one place I worked at had fallen in love with. She insisted that we do a team-building exercise every Quarter. It was a monumental waste of time and everybody hated it. Oh, and we had to come up with the exercises.
I worked at a entertainment hotel and they kept messing with my schedule and wouldn't give me a raise. I was the only one who knew the section i was in and so i quit right before spring break. The manager asked if he could help keep me and match the new pay. I told him new pay and he told me that was more than managers get paid. So i said no sorry. I heard afterwards manager had to fill in
Having a policy against quitting on a Friday seems fair, as it’s to make things run smoothly. However, it’s something that should be a request made known, like a “we know not everyone will stay forever, so can you do a solid for your ex-coworkers?”
Story 3: I got a new job at a University and my previous job we'll call them Shnavient had a habit of not allowing transfers to other lines of business (Mine was their healthcare billing provider Shmextend) and they had also previously promised bumps up in pay and since we were a satellite office for the main office in Tennessee and it was meant for the Tennessee area (they were around Nashville) we had ours pulled out from under us claiming that our area didn't have as high of a cost of living. They also had so much nepotism when it came to promotions. I gave 1 day shy of a full two weeks notice and then suddenly a new position opened up and all that. I declined and then they told me I was ineligible for rehire. I told them not to threaten me with a good time 😂
I had a job that did the threaten and insult thing when I gave notice. I told them if I come in, I am feeling under duress and a hostile work environment so I may just be there to screw them over, is that what they want? They said goodbye and good luck.
I have a legal question about the second story. Is the 5 year part legally enforceable? I know companies will do things that aren't legal because they think people won't sue. That being because they can't afford it.
I'm just surprised someone didn't take online classes on thier 8 work hours for 6 months to get certification(s) or classes toward a degree/certificate to get a better paying job either at that employer or a different one.
You know, I would expect a small startup that hadn't been around for long to pull this kind of crap. A company as big as ms that has been around that long should be the epitome of professionalism and efficiency. Their conduct in this case is pathetic.
re you got tome in on monday. My Reply would have: Asp ber the IRS to. catahrize someone as a contractor you must not be able dictate where and when I work. and false filing an emplyee as a contractor is a type of tax faud. so either I dont need come in on monday, or your admitting to commited tax fraud which is it?
I disagree with how the development time situation played out. I have that same policy and love it! They should have pushed on setting new timelines for the projects to accommodate for dev time. Oh well, there loss.
"it's against company policy to quit on a Friday"
What are they going to do, fire you? 🤣
"You can't quit on a Friday."
"What are you gonna do? Fire me?"
One day I was fired from my job and they wanted me to sign papers and do an exit interview. I turned in my badge and uniform then left without signing anything. They called me and told me I needed to do an exit interview and dry clean my uniform. It's company policy. I reminded them they had terminate my employment so I was no longer subject to their policies. They threatened withhold the amount of the dry cleaning from my final pay. I told them they can either show me signed paperwork agreeing to allow them to withhold my pay or send me my full pay on payday. Otherwise I'll contact the labor board. I got my full pay.
You can sure bet [even if you're not a betting person] that they as sure as anything could fire you on Friday and THAT would be perfectly acceptable in line with company policy.
The first story reminds me of a conflict I had with a theater director, I quit on them the same way and he would call me back with apologies, name calling, brow beating, etc. I didn’t go back to him. He even lost more cast members as a result.
"It's against Company Policy to quit on a Friday"
It is, however, not against my contract. and as I will no longer be working for the company, I no longer have any reason or responsibility to abide by company policy. Good day sir, and may god have mercy on your soul.
Exactly this. Why in the ducking duck would I care about the company policy when I'm leaving?
P.S.: Bless your hearts and good luck in y future endeavours.
Given how I've quit jobs in the past, i would've have looked them in the eye and said, "Ok, I won't quit on a Friday. I quit today. Wish I could say i liked working for you"
That is too crazy, if someone quits, it's on their terms.
5 great examples of MC. Thank you so much to all OPs and KCC for this episode
FR TYSM. IMO ATM this is the G8EST BC I was ROFL. BFN
Yay, malicious compliance. My favorite compliance of all😊
Story 1: "You can't quit on a Friday" "Okay...then I quit on Thursday when I clock out." They really thought that insulting you was a great way to convince you to help them out? Morons.
Story 2: Always have an "Outside Consultant" rate handy for just such an emergency...I would suggest at least 300% of you previous hourly wage.
Story 3: Bravo OP! Making a visual reference of you current projects was brilliant!
Back around 2000 or 2001, my workplace decided to devote one of two Thursdays a month to meetings. I still recall the poor patient whom I met in the hall who had not been told about this new policy and had come in for her regular appointment. Yes, it WAS the kind of place where no thought was given to such things. To give another example, some years after I started there, the hospital went from a letter and number designation for each room to a four number designation. Years after that, they realized that no one had written the numbers on the blueprints, which still had the original letters and numbers. So the rooms were changed back -- but no one thought to change the patients' forms which gave directions to their appointments. Need I mention that those patient forms listed room numbers, but no department names?
Story 1: the vary simple thing that managers don't want to understand, is that "company loyalty" goes both ways, it's the same scenario with the army, take care of your soldiers and they'll take care of you, but if you bully them, power play, or grind them under your heel, like they're the grotesque version of 1952 and the obsolete man, they will write "GFY" in their resignation letter telling them just how much they don't care for your job
If not worse. Ever heard of "fragging"?
@@DinnerForkTongue part of me feels like I don't want to know, but should know
That next to last one I would have demanded a massive raise and a ton of earned respect.
I worked for a company that the Old Guys at the top and owner described IT and servers like some old accounting machines. IT professionals are overpriced clerks to quote the owner and CFO. Where the company made the vast majority of the money was Military Contracts for a product. Their contracts required an IT security and compliance officer. They owner was forced to hire me and my salary was expensive in his mind.
The company installed a commercially licensed database software that improved production and reduced production quality problems. Profits increased and more orders from the Military. Unfortunately the Database Admin never received a salary increase in four years. When he requested a increase to market the CFO yelled he was overpaid and should get a 15% salary reduction. The company had hired a Database analyst and she was smart and talented. When the DB admin quit for a job that paid 40% more the analyst was promised a big increase in two years if she was successful.
Now two years later she met with the CFO and CEO about their promise. The answer was no even though she made 1/3 of what the salary for Database Admin current market. The next day she went to resign except the CEO gave her a contact to sign immediately. It said if she resigned she would pay the company $250 k for the education the company invested in her. It was illegal in that State but the CFO had security at the door and tried to physically force her. Except she texted her husband a police officer. In minutes large amount of police officers were in the building and the CFO arrested. Then it got ugly for the company and the old guys retired overnight.
Love your stories
a contract signed under duress is invalid
That is insane and goes to show how up their own a**es those people were.
I would normally say this is fake...but yeah, had something similar happen in my town about 5 years ago. Made the local paper, and the business was shut down as about half the remaining staff came forward to say they were 'encouraged' to sign some really nasty contracts by the boss taking them into a room with some rather large gentlemen. Technically nothing was 'threatened' exactly, but yeah. He got caught because this employee was smart enough to have her cellphone on, and called the bluff...which turned out not to be one, and the moron made it a direct threat. Lovely to be someone in that courtroom as he tried to defend it as 'standard business practice'.
Can't quit on a Friday? Well if my last two employers were any indication, Y'all sure can fire my ass on a Friday for no damn reason. Hell with y'all, I'm out!
I love the way you read my "Priority" story. Big fan of the channel.
As a programmer, I once had a manager in a large computer manufacturer. I supported two sites, one in Manhattan and the other about thirty miles away out on Long Island. I had two projects, one at each site (this was way before remote computing), that my boss wanted me to get done ASAP. "Which one has top priority," I asked him as he walked away. His answer? "Both."
You'd like me as a leader, my response would have started the same, but then been "look at the projects and let me know which you can get done quicker. That will be the main priority until you finish it, then move to the other."
"It's against company policy to quit on a Friday!"
"Then fire me."
Fascinating MC, I love the whiteboard idea.
If you spin "Give a 2 week notice" around a bit.. you'll end up with "You might notice that I won't be here in 2 weeks".
"You can't quit on a Friday!"
"Watch me."
Last story: get paid to learn stuff, has to be done on company time and company property. I can do that.
May the algorithm be ever in your favour, Rob
A long time ago I learned that 3 things work best as "a two way street" they are: Respect, Loyalty, and Communication! These companies miserably failed in all three!!!
The end of the first story is pretty much a conversation with my 13 year old.
Him: Can I have some cookies?
OK, you can have 5.
Him: 6?
4.
Him: 7?
3.
Him: 8?
2.
Him: 6?
4.
Him: 9?
0.
He got the hint and took the 5 cookies.
heck, getting six tasks sent back to the teams that should be doing them was a victory in itself.
Episode 900! I’m sitting comfortably, so let’s begin.
First you should have been - them-"you can't quit on Friday's "
Op- ok, my last day will be Thursday
The development initiative sounds like the Team Building BS that a director of one place I worked at had fallen in love with. She insisted that we do a team-building exercise every Quarter. It was a monumental waste of time and everybody hated it. Oh, and we had to come up with the exercises.
Yet another GREAT video! Thanks Rob!
Good morning
Good afternoon from Scotland. Hope you’re having a good day.
The last place I worked at that expected company loyalty is the only place I'd expect loyalty, but that was because we were expected to go to war.
I wonder how they actually expected to enforce their "company policy"...hmmm?
I worked at a entertainment hotel and they kept messing with my schedule and wouldn't give me a raise. I was the only one who knew the section i was in and so i quit right before spring break. The manager asked if he could help keep me and match the new pay. I told him new pay and he told me that was more than managers get paid. So i said no sorry. I heard afterwards manager had to fill in
Having a policy against quitting on a Friday seems fair, as it’s to make things run smoothly.
However, it’s something that should be a request made known, like a “we know not everyone will stay forever, so can you do a solid for your ex-coworkers?”
That last one! What a great idea! I am now going to spend 8 hours a week in development time... even though it will eat into my retirement.
Story 3:
I got a new job at a University and my previous job we'll call them Shnavient had a habit of not allowing transfers to other lines of business (Mine was their healthcare billing provider Shmextend) and they had also previously promised bumps up in pay and since we were a satellite office for the main office in Tennessee and it was meant for the Tennessee area (they were around Nashville) we had ours pulled out from under us claiming that our area didn't have as high of a cost of living. They also had so much nepotism when it came to promotions. I gave 1 day shy of a full two weeks notice and then suddenly a new position opened up and all that. I declined and then they told me I was ineligible for rehire. I told them not to threaten me with a good time 😂
the guy in story 4 should have just dropped all 18 hot potatoes rather than continue burning his hands on them.
S 3 Why stay for 5 years AND give 2 weeks notice? This OP is a doormat
This is showing up in my recommended feed as a 12 hours old video that I haven’t watched. Weird, I watched it and commented 2 days ago!
I had a job that did the threaten and insult thing when I gave notice. I told them if I come in, I am feeling under duress and a hostile work environment so I may just be there to screw them over, is that what they want? They said goodbye and good luck.
Good afternoon Rob
I have a legal question about the second story. Is the 5 year part legally enforceable? I know companies will do things that aren't legal because they think people won't sue. That being because they can't afford it.
Funny how all 5 stories are employee vs employer MC. It kinda shows how things are out there.
Yep, gotta do my development on company time. They are required courses.
Thanks Rob!!!
Odd that you can't quit on a friday. Does it's because it was a HR Nightmare?
wow. why didn't hr just come up with a policy that you can't quit on days ending with "y"
"Quit on Friday"
- but, but, but... it's a company POLICY!!!!
- yeah, and what are you going to do if I do not follow it? Fire me?
I'm just surprised someone didn't take online classes on thier 8 work hours for 6 months to get certification(s) or classes toward a degree/certificate to get a better paying job either at that employer or a different one.
You know, I would expect a small startup that hadn't been around for long to pull this kind of crap. A company as big as ms that has been around that long should be the epitome of professionalism and efficiency. Their conduct in this case is pathetic.
I think I would have had done my development time outside in my car headed to a beach, a bar, a hunting blind or a nice fishing spot
quit on a Friday, tell them OK i will be here Friday and Monday then phone in sick on Friday and Monday
re you got tome in on monday. My Reply would have: Asp ber the IRS to. catahrize someone as a contractor you must not be able dictate where and when I work. and false filing an emplyee as a contractor is a type of tax faud. so either I dont need come in on monday, or your admitting to commited tax fraud which is it?
Good morning Rob, first
I disagree with how the development time situation played out. I have that same policy and love it! They should have pushed on setting new timelines for the projects to accommodate for dev time. Oh well, there loss.
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