Why is the Su-35 Tough for Patriot Missiles to Hit
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- Not all aircraft are built for the same kind of fight. When facing a modern air defense system, some jets are like nimble boxers, dodging and weaving with incredible agility. Others, while powerful, might be more like brawlers, tough and effective, but not as quick to slip a punch. This difference in strengths can make a world of difference when it comes to surviving a sophisticated missile attack.
Take the Su-34 and Su-35 case, for example. Both are Russian jets that trace their roots back to the legendary Soviet Su-27. At first glance, these machines might seem like twins from the same hangar. But recent events, like the one reported by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense on March 2nd 2024, have shown a surprising difference in how well they handle threats like the advanced Patriot surface-to-air missile.
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*Please cite source for the 12 "Downed" SU -34's because the reports were NEVER verified*
Ukrainians say that 😂
SU-34 is a Ground attack derivative of the SU-27, not related to Su-35. Ground attack and CAS missions are always more dangerous, some losses are inevitable. Still Ukrainian “victory” figures are Inflated.
At times like this I just think, what would the "brilliant mind" of John Kirby say?
@@zksstalstawidlo9015 That one is suspect
It never happened. There was an Su34 that was ambushed with a manpad by a Ukrainian sabotage team, as it was landing at an airport.
Can be fitted with hypersonic shovels
Yes it can. It has more powerful engines that the Su34 and its avionics suite is more advanced
? You what?
THE RUSSIANS SHOULD START ARMING ALL THEIR MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEMS WITH ONLY THE KINZHAL AND ZIRCON MISSILES OR MAYBE SOME SMALLER LESS EXPENSIVE MISSILES WITH HYPERSONIC CAPABILITIES
@@user-bk6gx7sg3j
THE RUSSIANS NEED TO PUT IN THE LASTEST AVIONICS JAMMING CAPABILITIES AND PROJECTING COUNTERMEASURES SUITE ON ALL THEIR PLANES ✈️ INCLUDING THE SU-25 GRACH-FLYING TANK “FROGFOOT” HEAVILY ARMORED MILITARY AIRCRAFT FOR CLOSE AIR SUPPORT FOR GROUND TROOPS
😂😂😂and washing machine chips
Well... one is a bomber, the other is a fighter...
yes, Like comparing a lancaster to a spitfire.
That is absolutely correct
What happened to Ukraine's navy? Ukraine is benefitting from the fact that Russia cannot attack NATO satellites- yet
I thought both were bummers.
@@nissekarlsson3172 Guess you thought wrong huh !!!!
Wow, I was just wondering how powerful the Su-35 was, and thank you for the useful information.
I'd go find a few other channels to get the "useful information"
"useful" 💀
Beautiful aircraft
Nice copy.
@@whynot6795 all US copied of Russian jet 😂😂😂
Su-35 doesn't have canards, the Su-30 and 37 do.
Your're right.
Su30Sm, Su34 and Su37, have canards
@@poulidisnikolaos5528
TOTALLY RIGHT I KNOW THAT SOMEONE DIDN’T SLEEP DURING THIS VIDEO AND PAID ATTENTION
The SU-35 has 3D Vectored thrust though.
@@user-bk6gx7sg3j can you please explain what our canards? Thank you.
It won't be surprising if west start calling you pro Russia 😂
either that or drop ratings on Google/youtube
It's not easy getting the truth these days. You can trust the media, especially not the western ones.
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And Bama and Joe carried out their DOUBLE TAP INITIATIVE intentionally targeting first responders including women and children! Obama a ‘war criminal’ Cornel West: “...immorality of drones, dropping bombs on innocent people. It’s been over 200 children so far. These are war crimes.” Politico 15 Feb 2013. During his presidency, Obama approved the use of 563 drone strikes that killed approximately 3,797 people. HARVARD POLITICAL REVIEW. "Obama’s first strike on Yemen killed 55, including 21 children, 10 of under age 5. 12 women, 5 pregnant among murdered." Double-Tap Warfare: Should Obama Be Investigated for War Crimes? Double-Tap Warfare: Should President Obama Be Investigated for War Crimes? Florida Law Review, Vol. 69 > Iss. 1 (2017)
West are bad losers
ONLY ALCOHOLICS AND THE GANGSTER CRIMINALS COULD BE PRO RUSSIAN!
SINCE POOTIN "TOOK POWER" I HAVE CONSIDERED RUSSIA A TERRORIST STATE! WHO COULD DENY THIS CONSIDERING THE RUSSIAN ARMIES MURDEROUS ATTACKS ON SYRIAN AND UKRAINIAN CITIZENS!
P. S.
BEING "ANTI RUSSIAN" YOU MIGHT END UP POISONED WITH A DOSE OF NUCLEAR TOXINS!
Wel one is a bomber that has to operates close to the frontlines the other can keep a safe distance... that mey be the most decisive factor
The Russians build beautiful, tough fighter planes.
.... as beautiful as their cars 😂
@@alexandergolidnichuk5779 western weapons like patriot and etc are ZERO compare to RUSSIAN!!!!
@@alexandergolidnichuk5779 airplanes no cars...... do not generalize
@@falcony100 Cars are more complex in design and assembly than airplanes - Is this what you wanted to write?
@@alexandergolidnichuk5779how?.. nothing is simple inside a modern plane, neither the frame the engine or the avionics without taking into consideration all the physics behinds every design.
The simple truth is that Fullbacks are far more likely to operate over Ukraine than Flankers.
They operate side by side. SU-35 covers the SU-34, the SU-34 is a bit bigger though, a bit less maneuverable but still performs remarkably well for a bomber.
To do tight high g evasive manuever is taking toll on the pilot. Most of time patriot launch a volley of 2 missile upon lock. So to evade those 2 missile is quite hard. And if su35 manage to do this, it was a very good feat.
The SU-35 is an exceptional fighter but you totally neglected to mention that Ukraine uses PAC-2 Patriot batteries, not the newest 360radar batteries, not even PAC-3. I recommend people check LTAMDS Radar for Patriot.
Russia destroys those Radars anyway, cuz that's the Joke, son...
That's why Z is whingeing for more $$$ & more Systems for Russia to Target & Destroy.
The SU-35 might be on par with the F-15 fleet of the 1980s.
@@toddbrackett4277 and the F-16 is the best single engine multirole there is, minus stealth. That is because compartments and weapons are still being modernized and adjusted for it, and the same applies for the SU-35. The 80s are more relevant then ever, the 80s will carry out the bulk of aerial warfare, not the niche F22s and F35s.
Su-35S - UFO 😎💪
Unknown flying objects 😊
Where are these F-35B, F-35A, F-35C fighter jets hiding in the West and america man??🙈
The F-35 is not operated by Ukraine genius 😂
@toddbrackett4277 conveniently 😂😂...The only western fighter jet will be 1970's vintage F16's 😅
@@Markdmarque, do you think that Block 50 Vipers existed in the 1970s?
You're the first to tell the truth,we're always told of how best is the F35 and Patriots miss8
They talked the same stories about the F117, then it gets downed by half century old technology.
F35s would down every single su35 in an air to air combat. It's not even a question. What point are you trying to make? Also take into consideration that it's not Americans using the Patriot missle system in Ukraine. American military is obviously going to be the most effective with American aircraft and defense systems. Furthermore if you want to talk about bullshitting, communist Russia is the king of over exaggeration their equipment and capabilities.
@@jordank2028да но есть маленький такой нюанс , как объявила недавно сщетная палата США 70 % в небоеспособном состояние ! Ну ладно есть же сателлиты но и у них проблемы ноу хау этого чуда это невозможность долго пребывания в сверхзвуковом режиме крейсерского полета , ну ладно он же стелс ?! Но и тут ноу хау отваливающееся буквально в полете стелс покрытие ! Как писал оди блогер ф 35 по своим возможностям не дотягивает до ф 117 80 годов !!!!! Ну ладно есть же ф 22 рэптер и ввс США заказывает.....ф15 ?!?!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅
F35 now referred to as paperweight in congress
It's like that scene in Top Gun Maverick when the enemy G turned that Missile
su 35 terbukti di medan laga mampu mengatasi situasi sulit di.tengah rapatnya pertahanan udara ukraina
Not just Ukraine but also Nato air defences
@@albrightomar5892no hate but when please give a example. Btw I don't know when that happened?
The missile definitely has the advantage. It doesn't have a pilot inside limiting the g-forces and also has lower mass meaning less inertia.
Having subsystems to allow it to turn that quickly increases weight reduces range etc...
скорость ракеты гораздо больше самолёта, поэтому и перегрузка у ракеты намного больше, она просто развалится в воздухе, если попытается резко изменить направление движения.
@@user-fy3bd2lk9jhe's measure inertia by kg lols..
and also 6 to 10 times faster than a jet on average...
Modern variants of the R-37 missiles have a second stage of burn once the missile runs on its terminal guidance. It's certainly not out of the question. nPython IR missiles have crazy performance. Based on publicly available info they have been modeled into gaming to perform up to 540°turns in certain situations. Missile tech getting pretty serious@@kamilhorvat8290
The missiles on outside of the jet give off a signature that is picked up on radar from MASH.
those are not missiles...those are electronic warfare pods/jamming etc...
@@Lipi19821 You have severe reading comprehension problems.
Exactly get your facts right an that Iron dome does not seem to be working just an expensive waste of money
@@jarrodwilson2382 WHAT!!!!!! ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
I thought thst MASH was a film (movie) from the Korean war times.
They said that G-turns are only for airshow.
When was the last time Patriot Missile targeted and hit Su-35 ?
When the last one was not yet destroyed by the Russians. The Ukrainian, or rather the NATO, operators, have fired all of their anti air missiles at all the Russian aircraft, without much success
@@user-bk6gx7sg3j Keep believing what your government is telling you , and why havent you took Ukrine yet ??
@@keithbell6104 What is Ukrine?
@@keithbell6104"Yet" for if what Putin is praying for happens, Trump been Elected, its Game over for Ukraine, as without US support, which Trump has promised to change, Ukraine will be in deep trouble.
@@keithbell6104 bro the red army taken half of the country despite the whole world is fighting with Ukraine?? Do you think war is like a Call Of Duty game ??? lol
SU34 is also a very maneuverable jet it’s a bomber that can go head to head in to a dog fight with fighter jets such as F-18 F16 and F15.
Both Su-34 and Su-35 have Ground Radar Geolocator and ECM Khibiny module on wingtips. But Patriot Radar is not AESA only Phased Array. To evade Patriot Pac2 missile, 3D Thrust Vectoring on Su-35 and Patriot old Radar are key factors. When Su-35's MWR alerts pilot, pilot can do zero or very low air speed mode (like unflying object) using 3D Thrust Vectoring to deceive the radar and lost target lock via TVM. Why 2 numbers Su-35 were hit? Aircrafts are not everythig. Pilots (manned or AI) can differ.
Low speed flying as a way to break a target lock will only work on pulsed Doppler look down radars. The key here is look down radar it will only work on a radar looking down from higher altitude ie an airborne radar. Patriot is ground based so this technique won’t work, if fact reducing speed will just put the target aircraft in a position of being less able to use rapid manoeuvres to evade final interception.
@@alfretwell428 Patriot radar also uses Doppler filter. Otherwise, radar scope will be filled up with geographic clutter (mountains, hill) and also even birds. So, doppler filter is not in use only for airborne radars.
'Lotta adjectives here without the necessary qualification that manoeuverability means little without a _very _*_well trained pilot_* to use it.
More likely the Su-34s have proven vulnerable because of their mission profiles : high altitude glide bomb runs as opposed to the Su-35s hanging back or staying low.
---- Best way to beat a Patriot is to break line-of-sight from it's ground radar *as early as possible.* The nose radars of the PAC-2 missiles don't have great range and are mostly for accurate terminal guidance.
Depending on where you read, patriots don’t actually hit much….
Patriot isn't even the equivalent of the S300
True Saudis would agree
no plain can outturn a missle. there must be some electronic war fair involved, that's like claiming a tracker trailer can outturn a go-cart.
They use both, but fighter jets have out manoeuvred missiles for years, while a missile is far faster than the jet it is less manoeuvrable, very high speed means difficulties in making very sharp turns in the last second, like stepping out of the way of a fast car at the last second, it cannot react in time.
It's not outrun, it's out manoeuvre. Missiles don't really chase the target aircraft. They aim to rendezvous with the plane, by calculating the speed and flight path. To out-manoeuvre the missile has to be at a certain distance/ range, too far or too close doesn't work. A very high skill high risk action.
SU 35 doesn't have canards. One of the prototypes did though. SU 34 has canards.
It is obvious that the SU-35 developers have done their homework plus I think their pilots are quite brilliant, the SU-34 however although riskier to fly in Patriot range when operating together they form a formidable attack
There's NO Carnards on the 35.. He said there was?
What is Carnard !!?
The graphic used the DDE 599........Full Send It
I think it's not the hardware but the pilot. The pilots desire to live and experience is the key to survival.
True justice will depend on who is making the video😂😂😂
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russians. Thats why fairy tale looks like truth
5:42 I wish I could get SU-35s PID tune on my quadcopter drone. Locked!!
Cars, computers, TVs and washing machines - Su-35 is made by the same pool of brilliant russian engineers, what could possibly go wrong?
Pretty obvious that a fighter is going to be harder to shoot than a slow heavy bomber especially when fully loaded.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the trust vectoring on the 35
Imagine the stupidity of thinking a super maneuvering jet could maneuver around something travelling either Mach 3.5 or 5.5 projectile. I guess it would be like saying a snail can out maneuver a bullet.
...because a Meteor Air-to-Air rocket took it from heaven before..
Dropping the payload shouldn't reduce the pilots reaction time. He has a second man for that. The Strike mission profile certainly exposes the aircraft more however, and pilots are not going to drop the payload at the first sign of trouble. A lot of SU-34 were probably shot down while evading with a payload still attached.
He shows a Su35 dropping flares! Lmao even the stinger manpad has a very good chance of taking one down. That's why Russian pilots do not do direct close in air support. It has anti- flare software and is being constantly improved.
The SU-34 and SU-35 operate in completely different configurations and fly different profiles.
The use of SU-34s weighed down with massive glide bombs flying in a predictable pattern only works in an uncontested environment.
We saw the damage that a single Patriot battery caused to the SU-34 fleet this winter. The SU-34s have been used to good effect over the past few months only because Ukrainian defenders ran out of Patriot Missiles to convert them into scrap metal.
The SU-34s are making hay while the sun shines but they won’t survive long when Vipers are hunting them.
YOU BETTER do a G turn if you want to be live!
Whike stationed at Potosi West of Vegas, we went into the Karnak for Buffet & there was a Sega Testing room & I jumped on a ball turret sim anrbspent most if the next 60 seconds dounf corkscrews once the other jet showed up. I survived but wish I had video of that ball going round & round - not even any G-Force either!
yep ...all sides are finding out what works and what doesn't . I remember in the Veitnam war US pilots would charge AT the missile and then 'at the right moment' pull a high G turn .Selecting the right moment to turn required good judgement .. too early and the missile stayed locked .. but turning too close and too late and the missile would still destroy the plane as the explosions were very powerful .. it was split second stuff
You have to stand next to the sukhoi to appreciate the size. They dwarf the mig29. And the extra airfoil surface and engine mean they are no less maneuverable
su 34 or su 35 doesnt matter.... its the man behind the machine who can beat even the best missle
I think the future of drone fighters will be able to turn a lot more aggressive.
Not bad for broke washing machine parts.
NO BAD AT ALL IF YOU LOOK AT IT THE BUILD AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE SU-35 IT IS A VERY HUGE POWER MILITARY PLANE IT IS AFTER ALL A FIGHTER/BOMBER WITH A VERY STRONG RIGID AIRFRAME AND POWERFUL ENGINES MADE TO CARRY EXTREMELY HEAVY ORDNANCE PAYLOADS BOMBS 💣 AND MISSILES AND BE ABLE TO LAST A LONG TIME
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It's a piece of junk.😂
There should be a limit for self-delusion.
@@brucemcglassonyou are delusional 😆
Just wait till you see what an SU-34 does to F-16!
Soon after this things will become SU35 SU34 flying turtles highly maneuverable thrust vectoring armed with hypersonic shovels 😂
You could literally not be further from correct in how you describe the interplay of a missile and an aircraft in a high g turn.
The turn does not in any way effect the missile's radar lock on the aircraft.
Turning the aircraft forces the missile to turn, bleeding its energy away due to friction, causing it to slow down, lose effective range, and run out of momentum before it can strike the aircraft.
Very agile and highly manoeuvrable fighter aircraft in the world.
I shouldn't believe on that videos said patriot missile can destroy any plane
Well, something is shooting those jets down.
I want them so bad in War Thunder. Need that CAS plane, to replace my sub-sonic premium Su-25bm.
My favorite at the moment is SU 57
An amazing video, thank you for posting it. I have few points tho:
1- you have my upmost respect for being biased on your video. When it comes to anything Russian, western tends to say stupid things.
2- we always forget that Russians are fighting in Ukraine the whole NATO countries with cutting edge technology air defence systems! We’ve seen some casualties but we also seen many casualties in these air defence systems!
3- comparing that war with any war that US air force had, we will see that none of them had a decent army equipped with air defence or capable fighters to know the exact strength of them.
4- wondering how both S-400 vs Patriot would react when fighting 5th gen or good fighters like F-18 or SU-34 !!??? Only time will tell and. I think the clash will eventually soon happen since Russian army is taking control and momentum day after day.
Su-34 are bombers, and therefore, they're very heavy aircrafts while the su-35 are fighter jet relatively light when compared to the su-34.
Su-34 only need a ecm modernization and twc engines .
2 years into this "SMO" and the Russians just can't stop winning.
Dedicated long range strike bomber with combat range of 680miles....!?!
there are to much variables that need to be calculated in, in order to know how effective one system is, how well trained are Ukranians, which exactly radars to they use what was the distance,.... and on the other side, what exactly variant of SU-35 did Russians used, how well trained was that pilot, what was the payload that he carried, what was his mission, what was the terrain in that area,.......
you can't say one system is performing bad if the system is not used in the correct way, in the correct set up, or by non experienced soldiers, and so on
do you have the actual footage? or this is all talk?
Do they have cope cages
Russia has a record , ucranian mig 29 shot down via air to air missile on 417km.
Thanks God we have Russian Telegram to see everything from other side .
Just because Ukraine posted the picture, you guys already believed it?
Z is the Prophet of NATO and MUST be believed!!!
SU 35 also has insane EW abilities. Able to make the missile go stupid.
Let me get this straight: A fighter is more maneuverable than a bomber? Who knew??
Let me get this straight. You skipped and didnt watch the video properly.
@@prashanthb6521 Nope.
We need to see you in person reporting.Strive to show your self
Beautiful planes
It’s never in the air. That’s why.
They brave the pilots
We want the videos to have Turkish subtitles.🙏
Air you could thumb thru GZT channel's list of English dubbed vids. Some are very serious military discussion.
Very Seriously Polite the Turks.
(Except for Czenk - he's Alex Jones Turk-Clone)
12 su35 destroyed vs 500 Ukrainian plains destroyed by S400 and S300 begs a question about effectiveness to cost ratio of Patriot system
What a crock, modern sam missiles are rated to vastly higher g forces in turn rate than any aircraft or more importantly the crew!
Because the patriot was destroyed long before the Su-35 took off😂
And WHO destroyed the patriot?
@@polygamous1Drones... and one patriot was lost to Iskander M
@@polygamous1 SU-34 with FAB glide-addon wings, or Iskander!
@@polygamous1 many things can. From a cruise missile, a drone or a MiG-31 with Kh-47 kinzhal
Patriot should not be used for that, there are more suitable missiles for that purpose.
Su-34 are vulnerable cuz its a Bomber, its slower, bigger, thonker and fly closer to the ground shoting its rockets and droping bombs, but it make Russia Conquest Aavdiivka
🇷🇺🇨🇳🇮🇷>>>>>>>
Is not the plane, is the pilot...
It's both
Can't have a race car driver sitting inside of a Toyota Prius expecting to win a formula One 😅
It flies at home
What's?
military generation
The SU-34 has canards, the SU-35 does not.
Thought it has 9G, Su 35 cannot counter F 15 in dogfight.
SU-35 has no canards
new planes are usually better for you and worse for your enemy systems .
This is a direct copy of Defense Tv's video
Viewers Survey of A.I. voicings, perhaps?
Maybe because the dont have to pay 90,000$ for a bag of turbine bushing
U can not believe what Uraine they will say anything to make people believe they are winning the lost war😂😂
Smrt Banderovcům
They already cross the border onto Russia what are you talking about?
Cool story bro, but satellite images don't lie 😂😂
@@shawnm8232
Satellite images that reveal Ukrainian casualties 😂😂😂😂
A smell some desperate Russian projection.
I would be embarrassed if my military had taken the losses that Vladimir’s has over the past few years and gained so little against a much weaker opponent.
There were no Patriot missiles in Ukraine but there were downed su 35’s
Google
Nine reasons the Russian Air Force lost more than 26 Su-35, 36 Su-34 and 2 A-50 Early Warning Aircraft.
Patriots in Ukraine will be in vital areas not on the front line their kill range is fairly short and the Russian jets have been staying out of it pretty simple really.
Top G
Patriot is not designed for a ground attack that is what the russian airforce does best is stay on the ground because they are running short of together s300 missile 😂😂😂😂😂
What a beautifull and powerful machine, sadly for killing people 😢 like other machines
Wasn't this video made before?!
wrong usage of the su 34 on the begining
Very well done, quite educational.
Regards from a Canadian friend,
Liam
Patriot did down multiple Su-35
The Russian jets are fantastic, granted, but the “Patriot” missile is not an anti-aircraft missile. It is an anti-missile missile, designed for use against targets on a fixed path, that are unable to manoeuvre. It should be easy to evade for any reasonably advanced jet fighter.