"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC
In Winnipeg Manitoba the bad guys are armed and will use it and the good guys are not armed - federal law - infact carrying anything for the purposeof self defensecan can get you jail time. ..I sh!t you not. . You want to be careful where you go here.
I forgot where I heard it, but someone who worked for Jeff (years after his service) said they went to the range with Jeff 2-3 times a week for 5 years & never saw him miss a bullseye with a pistol. He was on a 1 inch square target from all kinds of distances o.0
I have a 9mm, 45ACP, 357 Magnum, and 44 Magnum but the 10mm is really peaking my interest lately. Probably the best automatic pistol cartridge out there. I consider any automatic pistol cartridge that can run with 357 Magnum to be exceptional. I like 9mm but a lot of people seem to think that a 9mm is on par with 357 Magnum which just isn’t the case..
How the 10mm was developed never gets old to me... Appreciate the upload good Sir and learned a few things I didn't know... Stay safe, stay blessed and stay dangerous!!! 🤠👍 #SemperFidelis 🇺🇲
Both 10mm & 5.7 shoot "flatter" than 9mm. By that, I mean you don't have to alter your sight picture much between 5 & 55 yards. Or 155 yards, you can go very long with both rounds
@@LK-bz9sk Hey LK. For something regarding wood protection, I’d say a Glock 20, Colt Delta Elite, or Sig P220. There are a few others but G20 has a 15 round mag unlike single stack mag on the others. Hope this was helpful.
@@tallgeese76 Yes very helpful because you reinforced my gravitation to the Glock because of capacity. For pure woods type use maybe the Glock 40 w the longer barrel. Thanks Norberto
Great information. Love me some 10 mm. Only bad experience has been with generation 4 Glock model 29. Nothing but trouble from the get-go. And even worse Glock service turned out to be crap, unresponsive, douche bags. Finally found an independent reputable smith who has worked out the bugs and now it’s back in the rotation
I was happy to see your vid pop up, I use to follow Col. Coopers writings an words an wisdom, an still suscribe to his teaching, but I've been following him since the 70's. As I've said before, been a big fanboy of the 10mm since the 80's an always looking to add another one to the stable, or 2 or 3. Lol. Thx for the vid
When I saw your grouping at 25 yards I said exactly the same thing you did..... What an amazing cartridge. I'm out in CA so it's either a Revolver, Glock or Kimber but I'd love the Tanfoglio. Thank you for your great videos, Sir!
Thanks so much for the history Sir. I have a Tanfoglio Witness P 10mm. Thought I had issues with her. Nope was the carp ammo. Finally saved my spare change and found ture 10mm. Not a reloader. When I purchase my next 10mm will be a steel frame Tanfoglio. Thanks again Sir!
I have the defiant limited master, and it has not disappointed me. I have a witness 9mm and it has not been perfect, but it's pretty good, and of course it cost much less.
Shot today!, turned on my friend and nephew to my SR1911-10mm. What's not to love. Started with 4 target loads, followed up with 4 full power loads, btw, the target loads are about 80% of full power.
Because a small amount of agents voiced concerns about recoil - mostly female agents - they reduced the powder charge. This eventually led to the development of the .40 S&W round.
I recently became intrigued by the 10mm as a result of winding up with the newest version of the Colt Delta Elite for a very low price. Now I love it. It's definitely more challenging to run at speed than the .40 S&W or .45 ACP, and surely the 9×19mm. But not really that much more. As with all of the powerful large caliber cartridges, it requires more devotion to training and practice to master. But this is entirely achievable for anyone who can master the .45 ACP. Even a full size 5" barrel 1911 conceals and carries very easily, and is fairly slender for all the power it delivers. 10mm guns do unquestionably accumulate wear more rapidly, and require staying on top of maintenance more. Recoil springs should be changed out every several thousand rounds, as with any other autopistol, and it is rather harder on slide stops from the heavy recoil springs required. But this is easily addressed by routine inspection and maintenance. A careful gunsmith inspection with any necessary tuneup and parts replacement should be conducted every 5,000 rounds or so. 10mm is a truly excellent cartridge that delivers tack-driving accuracy and impressive power for anyone willing to commit to the training requirements. It would be more pleasing if all the ammunition companies loaded it to the full potential. As of now, loads must be carefully selected to get the full power advantage 10mm offers. I use the Delta Elite as a street gun regularly.
Great video and great history lesson sir! Now I need a 10 millimeter pistol. It will have to be steel because I'm old fashioned that way. I had my eye on one at the local gun store but I waited too long and it was sold. Grrrr.
Nothing but smiles for me I have the sig 220 hunter and the Dan Wesson specialist and they are both tack drivers I is underwood ammo and get awesome groups
I started with a Ruger Match Champion a few years ago in 10mm, then a Kimber Eclipse 2, and added a Glock 20 and then a S & W 610...I l love that caliber as it's very controllable, fast & accurate!
I purchased a Glock 20SF and a 6” barrel several years back to start handgun hunting in Maryland and loved it… I moved to PA in the past several years and want to handgun hunt here, but poor laws in PA do not allow a semi-automatic for deer hunting??? So I will have to drive down to MD to handgun hunt for now. In the meantime, I sold my Glock and purchased a Girsan 1911 hunter in 10mm with a 6” barrel and I’m getting it setup for the 2023 hunt right now. The narrower grip fits my hand better that the Glock, though I had the smaller grip model… I enjoyed your video and the history you shared.
As an old retired Marine, I must say, I have always avidly listened to your presentations. I DO carry from time to time the MC-14 .380 you reviewed, though my usual carry is a 1911 (unless my broken down hands object too much). As a fan of the .380 with todays cartridges that are available, I am now looking at the: TISAS FATIH .380. It's a near clone of the Beretta 84F. Would you consider a review of this fine pistol? Being made in Turkey I can attest to it's build quality. I've lived over their and have more than one Turkish firearm. Semper Fi, USMC Retired 1966-1989 RVN 07/69-10/70
Here's some more 10mm blurbs I've stumbled across: With almost all troops being exposed to .45ACP and/or 9mm Luger during service, people came back home from war swearing that their own familiar cartridge was the very best for handguns. It sparked a neverending international debate, and for most people, facts and speeches meant nothing next to their personal experiences and anecdotes. But people like Jeff Cooper and Whit Collins were not content with that. They thought if a .35 cal (aka 9mm) could carry more onboard and fly faster, and a .45 cal could be heavier and hit harder, then theoretically splitting the difference right up the middle--with a .40 cal--should produce the very best of all worlds. Cooper did a lot of research on ammo testing from throughout the 20th century. He found at least 20 different times when earlier wildcatters had reached the same conclusion. But personal tragedies kept ending their personal efforts, and new wars kept demanding a focus on the two established calibers over all else, and troops kept being indoctrinated, and the two-sided debate kept raging on. So Collins and Cooper said enough was enough, and they were going to put the hypothesis to the test and document their every step. Collins called his load shot from the Browning the .40G&A. He wrote for the Guns & Ammo magazine who was sponsoring him, so that made sense. But like you hinted at here, Cooper believed that greater performance could be attained by changing the design and focusing future testing on that beefier CZ platform. Cooper couldn't let it go. He and Collins split ways in the later '70s, and Cooper championed what he called the .40 Super. Then along came startup Dorner & Dixon, who shared Cooper's vision of a CZ75 clone pushing a hotter round. Thus was the Bren Ten conceived. D&D said there was enough potential to ramp Cooper's .40 Super up even further, and they coined the new label 10mm Auto. Norma was selected as the initial manufacturer for 10mm ammo, and they wowed everyone by quickly packing even more oomph into the cartridge. Sonny Crockett sported a Bren Ten in the popular Miami Vice TV show. And then the FBI selected 10mm as their caliber of the future in 1989. It's a shame that early gun manufacturers had such a hard time catching up to the ammo and figuring out how to reliably handle the loadings in a production semiautomatic pistol. But that must have been a helluva exciting time!
I think the 10mm is a great choice for bear protection, but if you already have a steel frame 1911 in 45ACP and you handload theres no need to go out and get a 10mm pistol. Its surprising Cooper didnt go on to develop the 45 Super since he did alot of work with the 45ACP, but I guess alot of his loads (7.5gr of Unique) was pretty close to what would be considered 45 Super loads. Still the 45 Super handloaded is so close to the 10mm its a toss up in my opinion. According to Hodgdon's annual manual, loading a standard 45ACP with a 200gr SWC (68 style) using CFE Pistol takes it up to 1142 fps. I'd sday thats 45ACP +P territory but still not 45 Super. This is accurate to book load data as I've loaded it myself. So what would you get loading that up with 45 Super brass to 45 Super pressures? I'm going to guess it would match 10mm velocities, but then you get a larger diameter and can use bullets up to 260gr with the 45. In Grizzly bear country (where I live in Montana) I think the heavier bullet weight and larger diameter would trump a slightly faster velocity, but then we are in the old argument of a heavy and slower bullet, vs. a faster lighter bullet....which is adding another can of worms lol
@@russellweber3466 Well I can only speak for my own shooting and I dont have a 10mm, but the 45ACP+P load I shoot at 1150 fps (which I get to at 7.8gr of CFE Pistol not 8.2gr max they list) the accuracy is dead on. I bullseye my targets at 10yds which is my normal range for target practice. I'm guessing if I test further to max of 8.2gr of CFE Pistol (per Hodgdon annual manual load data) I'll likely get 1200-1250fps - which is what I get now with the same Saeco #68 210gr and CFE Pistol 7.8gr load through my Hipoint carbine (rated for 45ACP+P) due to the longer barrel...so my question to you 10mm shooters....what do you get for velocities when you load a 250-260gr hard cast bullet? I'm currently getting 950-1000fps with testing CFE Pistol, but I think Herco might do a little better just havent tested it yet. Basically 45 Super gets you old school Colt 45 velocities up to about a 265gr bullet - which is the heaviest I've tested so far, but like to keep it 250-255gr
@@russellweber3466 maybe a good test for you would be if you have a 1911 in 10mm, get or find someone with a 1911 45ACP. Set up both the same with spring weights, barrel bushings, shock buffs ect and then compare. Most people will tell you any 1911 in 45acp set up properly is an extremely accurate pistol - as it would be set up the same in 10mm. 45ACP to 45 Super is a matter of spring changes, a shock buff and 45 Super brass. I'd say its a moot point as they are so close - both are great! My point was while I think a 10mm is great, if you dont have one and NEED the power for bear protection and already have a steel frame 1911 in 45acp, no need to go out and buy a new pistol
@@leveractiongypsy1848 Why not buy a new pistol? I have several Hi-point carbines, a .45acp, a 10mm and a .380, the commercial loads that I like for the .45 acp are .45acp+ 185 and 230 grain hp, and for the 10mm full power 180 and 200 grain hp loads. I've been wanting to do some long range shooting with both carbines to see what rounds shoot flatter. Out of a Glock 20 and a 29 pitbull, 180 grain fmj loads, after 5 or 6 shoots into 3 telephone books duct taped together, the rounds would go thru the 3 telephone books. I have a Rock lsland tac II 10mm in 1911, and a friend of mine has a son who has a Rock Island 1911 9mm. Kenny the son and I have been meaning to see how his tricked out base model 1911 shoots with 9mm++ loads and my tac II 10mm 1911 shoots with full power shit kicker loads.
Great to see new videos coming out, if you ever want to sell that Shark FC you've got. Let me know. Been looking for one since that video came out. Nothin.
I love the 10mm going to get some Underwood 10mm hunting or some of their hottest 10mm ammo for deer hunting this and am using it in my Iver Johnson Eagle XL 6" long slide 10mm 1911
The 10mm is my favorite cartridge. I’d love to get a Sig in 10mm but I’m in California so I’m restricted to owning Glocks in 10mm and my non-functioning g Kimber.
I've owned the gen 3 g20 forever & the gen 4 g20 for quite a few years now. They are both more reliable than my kimber 10 my rock island 10 & Springfield 1911. I still think the Glocks are not as good looking. That said however, good looking won't keep me from getting killed & somehow I doubt if I died that people would look down at me & say "well at least it was a good looking pistol" lmao. I'm not a fanboy nor am I loyal to any one particular brand as I think that's stupid. There's to many nice options out there for that but the glock hate is just misplaced.
For sure! I didn’t buy a Glock for years because of all the Glock hate online. My first Glock was a G36. I think I’ve had five Glocks since then. The 36 had some issues, but my G29sf has been 100% reliable, along with my current G19 and G26.
The only problem--for the last year and a half ammunition is virtually non-existent. At least for a price approaching reality. I am holding on to what I have (you never know when you may REALLY need it) until it becomes more available. Having said that, I totally agree---love my tens.
I just messaged Iver Johnson and they said you can use a standard recoil spring that's sized for a standard or 5" barrel 1911 10mm but they recommended a 23 pound recoil spring
@@Icarryone I will do that...and put up a video. I have been working on my 45 acp hand loads..and I need to check my poa / poi soon. Last few matches..I was all over the place. I am running single stack all this year and need to get efficient with it.
The video covers development of ~.40" auto pistol cartridges - .41 Action Express and .40 G&A - but skips over THE 10mm Auto cartridge that actually went into mass production. The cartridge started with a clean sheet, designed by Mike Dixon of Dornaus & Dixon/Bren Ten fame. Cooper wanted ballistics of 200grs with an impact velocity of 1000fps, and the ultimate, magnum-level performance was a result of confusion, misunderstanding, and Norma, the original ammo maker, essentially saying enough is enough. The subject is covered in depth in the book Bren Ten/The Heir Apparent, which was written with input of Cooper, Dornaus, and Dixon. Dornaus and Cooper have passed since the book was written, so it will probably remain the definitive reference on the development of the Bren Ten pistol and the 10mm Auto cartridge.
I carry 10mm when I feel like the threat can be high like in grizzly and mountain lion territory and while driving through dangerous areas like Chicago and New Orleans. I wish that was a joke.
I remember that old video, I thought about accusing you of sleeping with that thing because that is mega impressive! I can't even see that good anymore...but I do remember 10 yrs ago going to a random range and shooting happy faces in targets 50 yds. The range officer was impressed, until I told him I have only shot less than 10 times in my life. LOL I have only shot 10mm once, and it was cheap range ammo, so it was a waste.
After touting the 10mm's ability to hit as hard at 75 yards as a .45 does at the muzzle, Cooper eventually conceded that nobody shoots defensively at 75 yards. The FBI determined that a round with .40 S&W ballistics passed all of their ammo tests - no coincidence - and that sort of killed the 10 as a replacement for .45 as a service cartridge.
I've been watching a lot of videos and am considering a 10mm 1911 type... how would you say the felt recoil compares to a 357 snub like the Ruger sp 101?
Based on my experience, a .357 snubbie has fairly sharp recoil along with a fair dose of muzzle whip. The recoil impulse of a 10mm round fired in a 1911 platform handgun is noticeable - but a lot smoother.
@@Icarryone I don't know about that! ... Remember the 460 Rowland? They are built on Glock 21's and SA 1911's. Just upgrade the recoil spring assembly. 460's are shooting 255 gr bullets at 1300 fps. Way over 10MM 220gn bullet at 728 FPS. When I shoot my 45 ACPs hot, I just drop in a bit heavier recoil spring. ... But honestly, unless hunting, I don't know why more power than 45 ACP standard loads are useful? Fun, yes! ... Anyway, great video, thanks for making it.
The .45acp cartridge casing was never designed for high intensity pressure! .45 Super cases - as well as 10mm, 460 Rolland and a few others - have a much heavier case head design. This makes them far more suitable to run at higher pressures. In other words, less prone to case head failures.
Have either of you ever shot Hi-point carbines in .45acp and 10mm? There are 185 grain and 230 grain hp .45acp + loads and full power 180 and 200 grain hp 10mm loads that are fun to shoot, and quite useful for stopping a crack krazed ghetto rodent in an attack.
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"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC
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In Winnipeg Manitoba the bad guys are armed and will use it and the good guys are not armed - federal law - infact carrying anything for the purposeof self defensecan can get you jail time. ..I sh!t you not. . You want to be careful where you go here.
Having a well developed SA is a valuable. Helps in our situation here.
Note to self: "Stay out of Canada!"
I forgot where I heard it, but someone who worked for Jeff (years after his service) said they went to the range with Jeff 2-3 times a week for 5 years & never saw him miss a bullseye with a pistol. He was on a 1 inch square target from all kinds of distances o.0
10MM is by far my favorite handgun round.
Mine too!
I have a 9mm, 45ACP, 357 Magnum, and 44 Magnum but the 10mm is really peaking my interest lately. Probably the best automatic pistol cartridge out there. I consider any automatic pistol cartridge that can run with 357 Magnum to be exceptional. I like 9mm but a lot of people seem to think that a 9mm is on par with 357 Magnum which just isn’t the case..
How the 10mm was developed never gets old to me... Appreciate the upload good Sir and learned a few things I didn't know... Stay safe, stay blessed and stay dangerous!!! 🤠👍 #SemperFidelis 🇺🇲
Thanks Paul!
The last time I had my 9mm and 10mm 1911s out at the range, I was surprised that I shot the 10 more accurately.
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Both 10mm & 5.7 shoot "flatter" than 9mm. By that, I mean you don't have to alter your sight picture much between 5 & 55 yards. Or 155 yards, you can go very long with both rounds
I love the full centimeter!
My most recent 10mm is the Springfield 1911 TRP Operator 6". It shoots really nicely.
Excellent!
Full power 10mm loads hit like a train.
Great video. I’ve always been a fan of the 10 and I have appreciated its accuracy. I love it with mid range cast loads.
Same here!
I've become a huge 10mm fan. Actually own (2)10mm now thanks to reviews on some firearms I've watched. Thank you 😎👍🏼
My pleasure!
Hi Norbert’s, if I get a 10mm to take into the woods for protection from bears etc, which do you suggest. Thanks
@@LK-bz9sk Hey LK. For something regarding wood protection, I’d say a Glock 20, Colt Delta Elite, or Sig P220. There are a few others but G20 has a 15 round mag unlike single stack mag on the others. Hope this was helpful.
@@tallgeese76 Yes very helpful because you reinforced my gravitation to the Glock because of capacity. For pure woods type use maybe the Glock 40 w the longer barrel. Thanks Norberto
I've always been a 45acp fan but you have my interest peeked about getting a 10mm. Keep up the great videos.
Thanks 👍
I can load my 45 ACP well into 10MM specs. And they shoot fine out my 1911 and Glock 21.
45super and 450SMC will get 10mm energy easily
Excellent, thanks for sharing sir
My pleasure!
Great information. Love me some 10 mm. Only bad experience has been with generation 4 Glock model 29. Nothing but trouble from the get-go. And even worse Glock service turned out to be crap, unresponsive, douche bags. Finally found an independent reputable smith who has worked out the bugs and now it’s back in the rotation
To be honest, I prefer a 10mm to be of all steel construction - but that's just me.
@@Icarryone I was wondering why the Glock 20 wasn’t featured.
@@mandangalo803 See comment above.
@@Icarryone no I get it. But the G20 has a significant role in 10 mm history. Because of it, 10 became popular again
Yeah. & shoots Damon well I might add.
Wow that shooting video showing its accuracy was quite impressive.
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Always enjoy your videos.
I appreciate that!
I was happy to see your vid pop up, I use to follow Col. Coopers writings an words an wisdom, an still suscribe to his teaching, but I've been following him since the 70's. As I've said before, been a big fanboy of the 10mm since the 80's an always looking to add another one to the stable, or 2 or 3. Lol. Thx for the vid
My pleasure William!
When I saw your grouping at 25 yards I said exactly the same thing you did..... What an amazing cartridge. I'm out in CA so it's either a Revolver, Glock or Kimber but I'd love the Tanfoglio. Thank you for your great videos, Sir!
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Irv Stone Sr. He made BarSto barrels we all used in IPSC in the late 70s and early 80s.
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Thanks so much for the history Sir. I have a Tanfoglio Witness P 10mm. Thought I had issues with her. Nope was the carp ammo. Finally saved my spare change and found ture 10mm. Not a reloader. When I purchase my next 10mm will be a steel frame Tanfoglio. Thanks again Sir!
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I have the defiant limited master, and it has not disappointed me. I have a witness 9mm and it has not been perfect, but it's pretty good, and of course it cost much less.
Shot today!, turned on my friend and nephew to my SR1911-10mm. What's not to love. Started with 4 target loads, followed up with 4 full power loads, btw, the target loads are about 80% of full power.
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Before there was a 10mm I recall reading about the .40 G & A wildcat. It was most impressive.
Every time you post a video it makes my day. Much obliged.
Thank you!
I heard that the feds were hurting their hands with this caliber and that’s why they went with the .40
Because a small amount of agents voiced concerns about recoil - mostly female agents - they reduced the powder charge. This eventually led to the development of the .40 S&W round.
I have a s&w fbi 1076, it has a scratch on the right side plastic grip,like someone dropped it.
Enjoyable history lesson. Keep it up. Thanks!
Thanks, will do!
Another great video by the master of handguns - love your videos as usual SIR !!!
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I own that eagle xl ported.. I love it
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Great to see you still carrying the 10mm tourch. I saw today's video and wondered if I missed one from YT. Yep. Here it was.
Glad you found it!
Your CZ 75 B in this video is stunning. Thank you for the GREAT video.
Thank you kindly!
Another great video!!! I enjoy your videos and always learn from them
Awesome, thank you!
Thanks for the knowledge about the 10mm cartridge !!!!!!!!!!!!
You bet!
I recently became intrigued by the 10mm as a result of winding up with the newest version of the Colt Delta Elite for a very low price. Now I love it. It's definitely more challenging to run at speed than the .40 S&W or .45 ACP, and surely the 9×19mm. But not really that much more. As with all of the powerful large caliber cartridges, it requires more devotion to training and practice to master. But this is entirely achievable for anyone who can master the .45 ACP. Even a full size 5" barrel 1911 conceals and carries very easily, and is fairly slender for all the power it delivers. 10mm guns do unquestionably accumulate wear more rapidly, and require staying on top of maintenance more. Recoil springs should be changed out every several thousand rounds, as with any other autopistol, and it is rather harder on slide stops from the heavy recoil springs required. But this is easily addressed by routine inspection and maintenance. A careful gunsmith inspection with any necessary tuneup and parts replacement should be conducted every 5,000 rounds or so. 10mm is a truly excellent cartridge that delivers tack-driving accuracy and impressive power for anyone willing to commit to the training requirements. It would be more pleasing if all the ammunition companies loaded it to the full potential. As of now, loads must be carefully selected to get the full power advantage 10mm offers. I use the Delta Elite as a street gun regularly.
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Very interesting , I enjoyed the vid. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it! 👍
Great video!
Thanks!
great history, thank you! Still haven't owned a 10mm yet, but have considered one many times !
Great all around cartridge - accurate & potent. What's not to like?
Awesome video Icarryone and some nice hand guns to. Thanks Slim.
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Thanks for the history
My pleasure!
good information and some very nice firearms. Stack it deep and stay aware of your surroundings.
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Great video and great history lesson sir! Now I need a 10 millimeter pistol. It will have to be steel because I'm old fashioned that way. I had my eye on one at the local gun store but I waited too long and it was sold. Grrrr.
That's just sad. 😔
nice info, nice video, thanks ...
You're welcome!
Love the 10mm i got two so far - great video as usual
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Interesting information. Maybe one day I’ll pick up a 10 mm
Excellent idea!
Nothing but smiles for me I have the sig 220 hunter and the Dan Wesson specialist and they are both tack drivers I is underwood ammo and get awesome groups
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I started with a Ruger Match Champion a few years ago in 10mm, then a Kimber Eclipse 2, and added a Glock 20 and then a S & W 610...I l love that caliber as it's very controllable, fast & accurate!
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I purchased a Glock 20SF and a 6” barrel several years back to start handgun hunting in Maryland and loved it… I moved to PA in the past several years and want to handgun hunt here, but poor laws in PA do not allow a semi-automatic for deer hunting??? So I will have to drive down to MD to handgun hunt for now. In the meantime, I sold my Glock and purchased a Girsan 1911 hunter in 10mm with a 6” barrel and I’m getting it setup for the 2023 hunt right now. The narrower grip fits my hand better that the Glock, though I had the smaller grip model… I enjoyed your video and the history you shared.
My state has a 6" barrel requirement - but no semi-auto restrictions.
Awesome thanks
Welcome 😊
Just a FYI, I bought CCI Blazer 10mm, they have the small pistol primer. I had never seen that before.
Yeah, and I hate separating those from rest! They just manage to gum up my progressive loader.
Your CZ 75 is beautiful 👍
Thanks 👍
As an old retired Marine, I must say, I have always avidly listened to your presentations. I DO carry from time to time the MC-14 .380 you reviewed, though my usual carry is a 1911 (unless my broken down hands object too much). As a fan of the .380 with todays cartridges that are available, I am now looking at the:
TISAS FATIH .380. It's a near clone of the Beretta 84F. Would you consider a review of this fine pistol?
Being made in Turkey I can attest to it's build quality. I've lived over their and have more than one Turkish firearm.
Semper Fi,
USMC Retired
1966-1989
RVN 07/69-10/70
If I ever get my hands on one, I would be more than pleased to review it.
RIP, Col. Cooper. I concur with the accuracy findings. Three leaf clovers on paper at 25 yards are common.
Agreed! 😔
Nice shooting
Thank you!
@ 4:09 Watching that group go up I thought to myself "Jesus," and then was promptly tickled to hear someone in the video express the same sentiment. 😂
Here's some more 10mm blurbs I've stumbled across:
With almost all troops being exposed to .45ACP and/or 9mm Luger during service, people came back home from war swearing that their own familiar cartridge was the very best for handguns. It sparked a neverending international debate, and for most people, facts and speeches meant nothing next to their personal experiences and anecdotes.
But people like Jeff Cooper and Whit Collins were not content with that. They thought if a .35 cal (aka 9mm) could carry more onboard and fly faster, and a .45 cal could be heavier and hit harder, then theoretically splitting the difference right up the middle--with a .40 cal--should produce the very best of all worlds.
Cooper did a lot of research on ammo testing from throughout the 20th century. He found at least 20 different times when earlier wildcatters had reached the same conclusion.
But personal tragedies kept ending their personal efforts, and new wars kept demanding a focus on the two established calibers over all else, and troops kept being indoctrinated, and the two-sided debate kept raging on.
So Collins and Cooper said enough was enough, and they were going to put the hypothesis to the test and document their every step.
Collins called his load shot from the Browning the .40G&A. He wrote for the Guns & Ammo magazine who was sponsoring him, so that made sense.
But like you hinted at here, Cooper believed that greater performance could be attained by changing the design and focusing future testing on that beefier CZ platform. Cooper couldn't let it go. He and Collins split ways in the later '70s, and Cooper championed what he called the .40 Super.
Then along came startup Dorner & Dixon, who shared Cooper's vision of a CZ75 clone pushing a hotter round. Thus was the Bren Ten conceived. D&D said there was enough potential to ramp Cooper's .40 Super up even further, and they coined the new label 10mm Auto.
Norma was selected as the initial manufacturer for 10mm ammo, and they wowed everyone by quickly packing even more oomph into the cartridge.
Sonny Crockett sported a Bren Ten in the popular Miami Vice TV show.
And then the FBI selected 10mm as their caliber of the future in 1989.
It's a shame that early gun manufacturers had such a hard time catching up to the ammo and figuring out how to reliably handle the loadings in a production semiautomatic pistol. But that must have been a helluva exciting time!
Thanks for the additional info. 👍
These are fun to shoot - we got a Colt Delta. Can't do more than 100ish rounds before arms get twitchy, but still very fun.
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I think the 10mm is a great choice for bear protection, but if you already have a steel frame 1911 in 45ACP and you handload theres no need to go out and get a 10mm pistol. Its surprising Cooper didnt go on to develop the 45 Super since he did alot of work with the 45ACP, but I guess alot of his loads (7.5gr of Unique) was pretty close to what would be considered 45 Super loads. Still the 45 Super handloaded is so close to the 10mm its a toss up in my opinion. According to Hodgdon's annual manual, loading a standard 45ACP with a 200gr SWC (68 style) using CFE Pistol takes it up to 1142 fps. I'd sday thats 45ACP +P territory but still not 45 Super. This is accurate to book load data as I've loaded it myself. So what would you get loading that up with 45 Super brass to 45 Super pressures? I'm going to guess it would match 10mm velocities, but then you get a larger diameter and can use bullets up to 260gr with the 45. In Grizzly bear country (where I live in Montana) I think the heavier bullet weight and larger diameter would trump a slightly faster velocity, but then we are in the old argument of a heavy and slower bullet, vs. a faster lighter bullet....which is adding another can of worms lol
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Does that .45acp load shoot as flat as a full power 10mm load?
@@russellweber3466 Well I can only speak for my own shooting and I dont have a 10mm, but the 45ACP+P load I shoot at 1150 fps (which I get to at 7.8gr of CFE Pistol not 8.2gr max they list) the accuracy is dead on. I bullseye my targets at 10yds which is my normal range for target practice. I'm guessing if I test further to max of 8.2gr of CFE Pistol (per Hodgdon annual manual load data) I'll likely get 1200-1250fps - which is what I get now with the same Saeco #68 210gr and CFE Pistol 7.8gr load through my Hipoint carbine (rated for 45ACP+P) due to the longer barrel...so my question to you 10mm shooters....what do you get for velocities when you load a 250-260gr hard cast bullet? I'm currently getting 950-1000fps with testing CFE Pistol, but I think Herco might do a little better just havent tested it yet. Basically 45 Super gets you old school Colt 45 velocities up to about a 265gr bullet - which is the heaviest I've tested so far, but like to keep it 250-255gr
@@russellweber3466 maybe a good test for you would be if you have a 1911 in 10mm, get or find someone with a 1911 45ACP. Set up both the same with spring weights, barrel bushings, shock buffs ect and then compare. Most people will tell you any 1911 in 45acp set up properly is an extremely accurate pistol - as it would be set up the same in 10mm. 45ACP to 45 Super is a matter of spring changes, a shock buff and 45 Super brass. I'd say its a moot point as they are so close - both are great! My point was while I think a 10mm is great, if you dont have one and NEED the power for bear protection and already have a steel frame 1911 in 45acp, no need to go out and buy a new pistol
@@leveractiongypsy1848 Why not buy a new pistol? I have several Hi-point carbines, a .45acp, a 10mm and a .380, the commercial loads that I like for the .45 acp are .45acp+ 185 and 230 grain hp, and for the 10mm full power 180 and 200 grain hp loads. I've been wanting to do some long range shooting with both carbines to see what rounds shoot flatter. Out of a Glock 20 and a 29 pitbull, 180 grain fmj loads, after 5 or 6 shoots into 3 telephone books duct taped together, the rounds would go thru the 3 telephone books. I have a Rock lsland tac II 10mm in 1911, and a friend of mine has a son who has a Rock Island 1911 9mm. Kenny the son and I have been meaning to see how his tricked out base model 1911 shoots with 9mm++ loads and my tac II 10mm 1911 shoots with full power shit kicker loads.
That cz 75 (Tanfoglio) in 10mm is just COOL dammit
Indeed!
Great to see new videos coming out, if you ever want to sell that Shark FC you've got. Let me know. Been looking for one since that video came out. Nothin.
Will do! But don't hold your breath! 😊
@@Icarryone I don't blame ya man!
Love the 10mm I use it for grizzly bear defense here in Wyoming
I have the Glock 20 Gen 3. Great pistol, and you can get aftermarket barrels for it. PPU is good ammunition.
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I love the 10mm going to get some Underwood 10mm hunting or some of their hottest 10mm ammo for deer hunting this and am using it in my Iver Johnson Eagle XL 6" long slide 10mm 1911
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I love the 10mm cartridge!
Me too! 👍
I do love the 10mm still yet to add one to the collection but shot a few
Say it ain't so!!! 😲
I love my 10s
Yeah buddy!
The 10mm is my favorite cartridge. I’d love to get a Sig in 10mm but I’m in California so I’m restricted to owning Glocks in 10mm and my non-functioning g Kimber.
California = 😔
@@Icarryone 100% agreement.
I've owned the gen 3 g20 forever & the gen 4 g20 for quite a few years now. They are both more reliable than my kimber 10 my rock island 10 & Springfield 1911. I still think the Glocks are not as good looking. That said however, good looking won't keep me from getting killed & somehow I doubt if I died that people would look down at me & say "well at least it was a good looking pistol" lmao. I'm not a fanboy nor am I loyal to any one particular brand as I think that's stupid. There's to many nice options out there for that but the glock hate is just misplaced.
For sure!
I didn’t buy a Glock for years because of all the Glock hate online. My first Glock was a G36. I think I’ve had five Glocks since then. The 36 had some issues, but my G29sf has been 100% reliable, along with my current G19 and G26.
The only problem--for the last year and a half ammunition is virtually non-existent. At least for a price approaching reality. I am holding on to what I have (you never know when you may REALLY need it) until it becomes more available. Having said that, I totally agree---love my tens.
Having been to the ammo shortage rodeo before - I got myself well stocked with reloading components before it came around again.
Thanks for the video.
The 10mm looks interesting but I see no reason to replace my 45acp.
I just messaged Iver Johnson and they said you can use a standard recoil spring that's sized for a standard or 5" barrel 1911 10mm but they recommended a 23 pound recoil spring
I have a 22 pound in my IJ long-slide.
That 25 yard group was very nice...why can't I do that?
You can - it just takes practice. (Lots of it!)
@@Icarryone I do need to sit down and see what my pistols are capable of. I shoot so much USPSA action shooting...I never take time to bullseye shoot.
With a steady rest and carefully assembled handloads, you would be surprised how accurate most handguns can be. Give it a try Brian.
@@Icarryone I will do that...and put up a video. I have been working on my 45 acp hand loads..and I need to check my poa / poi soon. Last few matches..I was all over the place. I am running single stack all this year and need to get efficient with it.
I love my Iver Johnson too.....
Yeah buddy! 👍
The 180 Grain bullet seems to be the standard for the 10mm. Do you have an opinion about lighter bullets such as the 155 Grain for the 10mm?
I've shot everything from 135 grain to 200 grain - they all shoot well. Nevertheless, the 180 grain does seem to be the most popular.
The video covers development of ~.40" auto pistol cartridges - .41 Action Express and .40 G&A - but skips over THE 10mm Auto cartridge that actually went into mass production. The cartridge started with a clean sheet, designed by Mike Dixon of Dornaus & Dixon/Bren Ten fame. Cooper wanted ballistics of 200grs with an impact velocity of 1000fps, and the ultimate, magnum-level performance was a result of confusion, misunderstanding, and Norma, the original ammo maker, essentially saying enough is enough. The subject is covered in depth in the book Bren Ten/The Heir Apparent, which was written with input of Cooper, Dornaus, and Dixon. Dornaus and Cooper have passed since the book was written, so it will probably remain the definitive reference on the development of the Bren Ten pistol and the 10mm Auto cartridge.
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I carry 10mm when I feel like the threat can be high like in grizzly and mountain lion territory and while driving through dangerous areas like Chicago and New Orleans. I wish that was a joke.
You're right - it's no joke!
I remember that old video, I thought about accusing you of sleeping with that thing because that is mega impressive!
I can't even see that good anymore...but I do remember 10 yrs ago going to a random range and shooting happy faces in targets 50 yds. The range officer was impressed, until I told him I have only shot less than 10 times in my life. LOL
I have only shot 10mm once, and it was cheap range ammo, so it was a waste.
Try shooting one again with full power ammo - guaranteed to put a smile on your face! 😊
@@Icarryone There isn't many up here in the great white north...extremely rare! I have seen 3 in the last 5 years. Finding 10mm ammo is even harder.
BECAUSE OF YOU, I had to find myself a IVER JOHNSON 10 MM LONG SLIDE.- non - ported barrel
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GOOD thing I'm not married anymore.
Okay by me - I'll take the blame. 👍😎
What would Cooper think of his creation and the popularity of it now is incredible compared to when he lived?
I think he would be pleased.
After touting the 10mm's ability to hit as hard at 75 yards as a .45 does at the muzzle, Cooper eventually conceded that nobody shoots defensively at 75 yards. The FBI determined that a round with .40 S&W ballistics passed all of their ammo tests - no coincidence - and that sort of killed the 10 as a replacement for .45 as a service cartridge.
Its my favorite caliber
Mine too! 👍
mi favorito,10mm.❤
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Crazy that the original load was 180 grains at 1200 FPS, because there's 45 ACP+P loads that shoot a 185 grain bullet at the same velocity.
After the round became standardized by Norma, the ballistics improved.
@@Icarryone Huh, interesting.... Good to know, because current 10mm is leagues above that load. But hey, now I'm a little bit smarter
200@1200 was the original Norma 10mm load, followed by a 170@1300 load.
I've been watching a lot of videos and am considering a 10mm 1911 type... how would you say the felt recoil compares to a 357 snub like the Ruger sp 101?
Based on my experience, a .357 snubbie has fairly sharp recoil along with a fair dose of muzzle whip. The recoil impulse of a 10mm round fired in a 1911 platform handgun is noticeable - but a lot smoother.
@@Icarryone Thanks!
Can anyone recommend any good hardcast 10mm i want to go deep woods camping
Buffalo Brothers offers some really good cast - "full power" - 10mm ammo.
I'm still stuck in 45 acp territory .
Not a bad place to be.
Why did you give up on the Delta Elite??
I just happed to find a few I liked a little better.
I have a lot of fun shooting hot 10mil rounds. They kill big Texas hogs really well too.
That's called "making bacon!"
A day without bacon is like a day without sunshine.
I wish it was a bit cheaper.
Is iver johnson still making 1911s?
Yes, as far as I know.
I can load my 45 ACP well into 10MM specs. And they shoot fine out my 1911 and Glock 21.
You're a braver man than me. Just sayin'!
@@Icarryone I don't know about that! ... Remember the 460 Rowland? They are built on Glock 21's and SA 1911's. Just upgrade the recoil spring assembly. 460's are shooting 255 gr bullets at 1300 fps. Way over 10MM 220gn bullet at 728 FPS. When I shoot my 45 ACPs hot, I just drop in a bit heavier recoil spring. ... But honestly, unless hunting, I don't know why more power than 45 ACP standard loads are useful? Fun, yes! ... Anyway, great video, thanks for making it.
The .45acp cartridge casing was never designed for high intensity pressure! .45 Super cases - as well as 10mm, 460 Rolland and a few others - have a much heavier case head design. This makes them far more suitable to run at higher pressures. In other words, less prone to case head failures.
Have either of you ever shot Hi-point carbines in .45acp and 10mm? There are 185 grain and 230 grain hp .45acp + loads and full power 180 and 200 grain hp 10mm loads that are fun to shoot, and quite useful for stopping a crack krazed ghetto rodent in an attack.
@@russellweber3466 I have not, but it sounds like a scream!
We need more 10mm propaganda.
Doing my part! 👍
I heard the new Eagle xl 10mm 6” is ajammomatic because not ramped barrel, is it still worth $1000+??
The chrome polished version