Geometron G1 Set Up Update - Getting Used to Longer Geometry
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- My update on the geometron after spending a bit more time on it. Still don't have enough time on it for a full review but I feel like I've ridden it enough to get a good impression of the bike. I want to put a bit more time into it before I give it's final review.
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Some of the most in depth and relevant reviews out there. Love it
Thank you!
You nailed it. Apart from boring part, I don't think cornering on it is boring. Just feels right to me.
G1 owner. I also ride a large.
I felt at home steering, cornering on firs ride. But the balance points and bunny hops I had to have some time with. About a week or so and it got decent. I'm used to the bike now that's for sure had it since 2019. Throwing it around mid air was heavy feeling but I got used to it pretty fast too. I came from a lighter xcish trailbike to this superb bike.
Thanks for the video Brian 👍 I did not think that you would end up liking this frame.
Splendid video! Bike check/impressions/riding all in one! Love your channel!!! 😍
Thank you!
Great alternative review 👍
i love the geometron serie!!!
Hey Brian, love your reviews and comparison videos. Keep them coming❤
Thank you! Will do!
Keep em coming!
Awesome review! Been my dream bike since a couple of years
Thanks! This frame is for sale soon. Gotta fund the next test bike.
🤟🤓❤️🙏 cheers Dude, fellow Geomatron owner, feeling you on the smooth, and dare to say boring side, i do miss the loose twitchy side of things sometimes, and often consider a change, then i try a friends bike and shes... still here! 🤟😂❤️🙏
I like the way you presented it and specially the content it self : lots of information, lots of "live" video included. .
Love it !! Thank you for sharing and keep up !!! 👍👍
Thank you! More on the way
Reminds me of my commencal meta sx, just longer and slacker, but super heavy and planted, you can go so fast on these things it's ridiculous, I still like playing on the trail so this bike is insane in that regard, not impossible but exhausting to play with. A true race machine. Great review btw.
Great review - and an instructional video too
And subbed.
Thank you!
You kind of summed up what I think though I would add that it has loads of grip and the bike is super planted over rough terrain.
Think you'll love it more with the dual crown too. I'm running a Dorado and a DH shock for 203mm up front and 212mm at the back.
100% agree on the front centre to rear ratio chat. I got a Kona Process X (490mm reach) and started with chainstays in 435mm as didn't want it to be too long and unwieldy but it was the opposite. Having to try weight the front so much was so unnatural. Chainstays in longer 450mm is game changing. Feel so balanced and easy to transfer your weight etc.
I don't get how people ride long reach bikes with short chainstays
I had the same experience with an earlier Geometron (not G1).
It didn't feel right until I swapped the chainstay "mutators" for longer ones.
It ended up more or less the same geo as the G1, and noticeably more balanced and easier to turn.
Serious Speed Serious Maths
Still haven`t totally figured out how the Geometron and Nicolai guys are related, but there is obviously a connection. The G1 looks really exciting to me, even more than the Saturn family - would be interesting to have a comparison in ride feel. I was able to get a hold on a Saturn 16 testbike at the festival in Brixen/Italy and was absolutely stoked on the bike`s performance. Cornering felt so good and you could really throw the thing around although beeing a very long bike (490 reach on a M size). At the same time it was so stable - no idea how they managed that. And man, that bike was quiet and composed 🤩
Geometron guys are suspension wizards and worked with Nicolai (German frame building wizards) to collaborate on the G1. I have a large, I am 5'11" with long arms. It is at the extreme end of reach for me, any shorter and you should go with a Medium.
Interesting to hear you thoughts on the G1! I have one in L as mullet and am 5'11" with 188 pounds of weight. I have ended up using a 450 lbs spring in the 175 mm setting. I have now gone to 162 mm and 425 lbs spring and 21 mm seatstay mutators to bring the geo back to normal with a 170 mm fork. The original geo is supposed to be ridden with a 150 mm / 160 mm fork depending on the actual axle to crown dimension of the fork. Using a 170 mm or 180 mm fork slackens everything even further. Other things I changed are a 45 mm rise bar that really helped my balance on the bike, before I had too much weight on the front and got kicked when jumping. I did go from 175 mm to 165 mm cranks, which made a huge difference too. Still thinking if swapping my 210 mm dropper to 240 would be benifical as I have too lean the bike a lot too to be cornering fast. Kepp the good stuff coming. Which spring are you riding atm? Another thought would be to try a mullet set up as this would make it even easier to lean ;). Would like to hear about the differences.
Looks like you might be able to fit a 213mm dropper post, I see you have some post visible. I have 213mm Bikeyoke Revive 2.0. I installed one recently. I had the Divine 185mm, but wanted more travel. For me it works with 165mm cranks.
Come on Brian, toss the dual crown on there! Super curious to see you play around with fork offsets too
Excited to get it on there! Might have to wait till summer though to run it on some proper lift access trails
Nothing wrong with being a little over-forked for your local trails! Do you know if you can reverse any of the crowns to get a shorter than standard offset? I know Chris Porter from Geometron has been quoted running a 30mm offset.
Hi Brian,
have you ever ridden a Raaw Madonna and if so, how do you feel about balance within the bike and how does it compare to the Geometron?
Thanks!
I haven’t but it’s one I’m interested in
Really liking the content lately Brian! Have you experienced the interesting rear end flex-compliance that this bike’s length and layup offers compared to other bikes? What’s your take on that?
Can’t comment on that in super great detail. Riding position is a lot different so kind of hard to sus out how the flex feels. Maybe the rear end is a little flexy?the weight is in a different spot on the bike so it feels a bit different.
I see you use Maxxis. I've had terrible lick with Maxxis, they were all faulty, some worse than others, but warped, some badly, but all got wrose with use. The bike was great Bu ti felt the tyres were lacking in the handling and quality department.
I reccomend putting better handling tyres on, I use Michelin Wild Enduro, they are more stable, corner better, make tracks stands easier, shed mud well, roll well. But knobs crack and the stickier compound wears faster. But bead is like new where as Maxxis would look like I sanded it. I run 30mm rims. But they were even good on 23mm. There might be other create handling tyres. But these are the ones I've tried so far. And loved the handling, feels perfect. Especially on 30mm rims. I had Hightoller2 before. Shorty for muddy season. But now jus tone set of tyres until I put studded tyres on.
The handling feels perfect now.
I might try other tyres. But not this year as it's studded tyres season soon.
But I've not tried the exact combo you run. But I've given up on Maxxis. First tyres I got were not that bad. But rest were just faulty maybe 20 plus tyres. 🤦 As i ran Hightoller2 for some years then started with high roller in summer and Shorty in mud season. After years I had to give up.
Oh, come on!
Hav you played with the chainstay length? Apparently its very adjustable. Also do you wish you had more stack for such a long reach?
Yes I’m in the longer chain stay. 457. I rode it with the shorter option first and like this better.
@@briancahal just curious what's your ideal Front center to rear center ratio? Right now I am at 1.84 and it feels pretty good
Have you tried an angleset to bring the wheel in a bit?
No, In the geometry setting I have it set up with it’s not overly slack and I think it works well with the rest of the geometry of the bike.
Would love to see you give impressions of a Contra
It’s on the list, trying to line that up.
@@briancahal siiiiiiiiiiickkkkk
time shootout on flow / jump trails and steep gnarly trails! lets goooooo
Stay tuned!
Nice analysis. Would you keep it as your only bike if you rode a big % of tight, natural terrain?
Probably not. It can get it done but I feel like if you get it wrong it punishes you more on the tight stuff. I’d have more fun on another bike.
@@briancahal Cheers for the honest answer!
@@briancahal What about if you sized down to one with a 495 reach, do you think that would make it more accessible? I'm 6ft and torn between the 495 or 515, I'm worried the 515 will be too much for our local trails in NC (Pisgah mainly). We have a lot of longer, mellow grade descents with a lot of chunk, it can be high speed but we also have some tighter trails as well.
Also, maybe I missed it, but how did the suspension performance compare to your Enduro? I had one previously and am curious how it tracked in comparison.
@@jonk8916 You will appreciate a Geometron size comparison video coming soon. My buddy has the small (475 reach) and we rode them back to back. For what you're describing I think the 495 reach could be the sweet spot.
@@briancahal Thanks, I look forward to the video. Geometron seems to put me at a L with the 515, but I'm worried that it'll be a handful on the trails we have here, which aren't as steep. The holdup is that I keep getting mixed impressions from folks on sizing, some my height say the M felt too short, others said it was perfect. Anyway, thanks for the info, I'll look out for it.
On natural alpine singletracks with tight corners this bike doesn't shine , because of long and slack geometry
Leanining it in more in conners = more work and posibility of pedal strikes so, no thanks.