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Proton Mail vs. Skiff: Best PRIVATE Email?
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Proton Mail and Skiff have quickly become two of the most popular private, secure email services available. But which one is right for you? In this Proton Mail vs. Skiff comparison, I'm taking a look at the most important aspects of each option.
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0:00 - Proton Mail vs. Skiff
0:19 - Intro & Plans
1:10 - Client Apps
3:29 - Email Aliases
6:39 - Security Features
8:40 - Privacy Reputation
10:08 - Product Ecosystem
11:15 - Which Provider Is Best?
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Skiff was just acquired by Notion and will be shutting down in 12 months. Skiff update here: ruclips.net/video/fHIfJVC2kU4/видео.html
This didn't age well...
Unfortunately not!
I think some of us who are looking for that free custom domain are looking for alternatives to zoho as well. People will be moving away from zoho because they are killing off cold emailing just like gmail is. I’m not cold emailing at the moment but would like to have that option moving forward.
Great video! I use Skiff too, and I just got an email from Skiff about how to now setup encryption between Skiff and 3rd party email now!
You can have an fairly secure email. If it would have an setting to encrypt the text and you get another email with the code yo decrypt on the receiver end. Like Outlook it has. Nobody can read the message unless it is decrypted. That way you have good enough security.
Tbh, if you want absolute privacy, you shouldn't be using e-mail. If you are looking for general privacy, either work fine.
What should you use to comunicate online then?
@@fromtheotherside1980 something heavily encrypted and 100% open source and private. Email by default isn't private. Something like Signal or Pidgin with OTR are private and secure.
@@fromtheotherside1980probably Signal messenger.
@@fromtheotherside1980 fax
@@fromtheotherside1980 E2EE messaging like Signal. All they have access to is your phone number and that's about it.
Buf honestly, there is no substitute to email. But you have to accept that your emails are about as private as a conversation people have in a caffé. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy, email was not designed for that.
.....I'm all in on Skiff.
I would totally like Proton mail if the free version had 2 things from the low tier paid version and that's the custom domain and the desktop client support.
As it is now the free version offers way more then I would need as a personal Email client for what it dose offer; so I can't see myself paying just to get those 2 things and more of what I said was already enough from the free version.
So for me I don't need the Proton calendar, drive, VPN or pass. So in short. If they had the Proton mail free version and just that without the other 4 things previously mentioned and the 2 things I do need from the paid version the custom domain and the desktop support all while still being free, that for me at least would be a no brainier to use them.
But right now I'm torn cause the free version is offering more then I need and paying to get more of what I don't need to get 2 things that I do need really doesn't sit well with me. So I guess I'll hold out for awhile to see what might be out there.
Great video and keep up the good work. 🙂👍
Dude the only information that proton was able to provide was the ip address of the login, no other information was shared and due to encryption nothing else could be shared. Skiff is based in the US which for privacy is a no no. For me skiff is missing 1) drive app so that I can sync a folder on my desktop. 2) ability to subscribe to a calendar (so I can see for example a todoist calendar inside skiff)
I do like the way proton pass offers you a specific email alias, but I agree the way that Skiff do it is easier once you set up your domain 'purplemonkeydishwasher' anybody?
Spot on. Skiff has a lot to do before even I can place it on the "to consider" list. The fact it is located in US take all credibility of it ...
I organise my email with labels in gmail, and when I moved from gmail to Proton, the big problem was that Proton would not nest labels.
So I abandoned proton for that reason alone. Wonder if Skiff lets a user nest labels?
Unfortunately, I don’t believe you can nest labels or folders :(
We're actually working on this!
My interests are feeding Google less data and evading cybercriminals. For the second point, my wife and kid should be able to use the thing. Given my threat model, I'm not too worried about my IP being tracked. But this is certainly a deal breaker for other more conservative threat models.
Are you planning to keep using Skiff or Cloudflare forwardning for your custom email?
I use Skiff for my personal email and Google Workspace for my business email. The Cloudflare Forwarding I showed off in another video works if you’re in a bind and really need a free email that sends to an actual inbox, but I think Skiff is a better free solution now that it exists.
So sad that Skiff is going away 😢
What better for a 3 familiy so proton familiy or skiff bussiness?
The Proton bridge app is only for paid Proton plans.
Protonmail subject is not encrypted. Protonmail did safe IP, when I checked last few months ago. They also do send ur data to goverments outside Switzerland. I myself was shocked at just how bad it is. Threema is a messenger, but even Swiss Military uses it.
Yeah, the unencrypted metadata is a downside of PGP. Skiff mail sent between Skiff users has encrypted metadata, but there aren’t many Skiff users to use it with, so I still think PGP implementation is important.
@@Craylor I ment the subject of the mail is not encrypted, saved as plain text in the database. Proton claims for anti spam reasons, thats also their reason why they store ur IP and I think receiver mail is stored too. So if 2 friends from [ENTER COUNTRYX] mail each other, 1 is caught by DictatorJohn from COUNTRYX, its easy for COUNTRYX to identify the second person by IP and if u wrote something in the subject matter, DictatorJohn can read it, cuz its plain text = not encrypted.
Just wanted to say that Skiff does not store your IP address when you're logging in or sending emails!
@@AndrewMilich but isnt it from the US? U cant trust a 14-eyes company. No matter what. U can have people with Bachelor and Master in security, but the Gov can spy on ur company. Ur cables. Why not take Skiff and go to Panama with it. Or Malaysia like hide me.
Tuta is the best, encrypt evryfing, proton it does not encrypt the message subject and metadata, only the email content, so in terms of privacy it is worse than tuta. And tuta it is cheaper.
Skiff is better. Skiff fk'n RULES. Skiff is in America (San Francisco, California), Protonmail is in Europe (Switzerland). I way prefer the Skiff email UI. I do not have the email delete bug you have. With Proton mail just to make it barely functional in comparison to the generous free version of Skiff, you have to pay. The free version of Proton mail only allows the creation of three folders. That's it, three folders. When you delete an email in Proton mail you get this stack of undo delete notifications that linger in the middle of the screen for 3 seconds and if you have a bunch of them it's very irritating.
…and Skiff is now dead.
Have you tried Tuta (formerly known as Tutanota)?
It’s been a while since I’ve tried it. They only offer 1GB of storage and no custom domain in the free plan, but the paid plans look decent.
@@Craylor the ~3€ monthly offers 3 custom domains, but only mail and calendar.
@@luisnabais The features of tuta calendar are much less than those of proton (free plans)
Tuta is a leftwing shit company. I cancelled when I saw they support all this gender bullshit etc
Now that they are shutting down in 6 months
Yeah, I was shocked to see the news! I’ll be making an update video soon.
Skiff is dead now! what a SCAM!
I know! I'm so bummed. Update video coming soon.
@@Craylor thank you
Skiff 🚀
+1 ;)
2 rockets.
So Skiff is new but all of the usernames are already taken... seems legit
my mistake, wqeirrfkffkffkf is still available
clown service for shutting down
Have you checked "Hey Mail"?
I’ve not tried it!
@@Craylor Currently i am using Skiff free account. For paid account i think Hey Mail is better please review it if possible
no privacy at all
I like Fastmail. It's worth a look.
I see an ultimate comparison video in my future 👀
Have you checked out Startmail?
"As soon as a crime is committed" doesn't mean the accused was actually responsible for the crime.
Guilty until proven innocent I guess.
Andy Yen is a money hungry bozo. You will get spammed with stupid discount ads even if you're a member. Proton how about you stop spamming your members within the app with silly discount ads. Good products don't need to be spammed they grow by word of mouth and we have had enough....
If you setup properly your email subscriptions you wont get any email from Protonmail. Check under the setup -> Email Subscriptions, there is 10 different category you can opt in or out
@@TheJoBlackos I wasn't talking about Email, I was talking about the stupid little ads that are including in the VPN App, nothing to do with Emails