i'm glad someone else reacted to that comment. i don't know why but it had me roaring with laughter so loud that everyone in the house wanted to know what was wrong with me.
In the realm of OpenPGP encryption, the ideal scenario is where even the sender can't decipher the contents of the transmitted package - that's the hallmark of a successful end-to-end encryption (E2EE), at least the asymmetrical-only E2EE.
@@JokingAroundInternet the morale is you hsould never give too much trust to theses companies, even the most honest one won't refuse an investissor, and you will do the same if you were they ^^
Completely unrelated to privacy but the dog in the photo of the disroot site is Loukanikos, the famous Greek "riot dog" that was with us at every rally, he passed away about 10 years ago and seeing him made me very emotional.
@@Dread_Pirate_Roberts_2013 It won't be for so long, there has been some enshitification to protonvpn by removing a lot of features and making it premium-only On top of that they started doing youtube sponsers The shareholders and investors and these trash CEOs are going to ruin protonmail
I've been very happily using Posteo for couple of years now. I really love their transparency. And them being an nature-friendly email client the small things they do accordingly, like working on minimizing server loads, not bothering by spam (by just blocking them, not marking). I love that they show their Javascript licenses and other small small things.
I do not like them as an email sender, because their spam filter had been over-cautious with blocking email from custom domains not used by the big providers... As a developer of an app that uses email for password reset and some notification systems, thats not exactly a good thing.
To my knowledge, I haven’t had so much as a hint of trouble from Posteo in the several years I’ve been a customer (with my “primary” email address). I’m in the US, if it matters.
The problem is that I have like 10 GMail accounts. Based on the amount of emails I have, it would cost me 45 EUROS a month(and I would have to pay 540 EUROS IN ADVANCE) just for email. You can't get people to switch off GMail(which is free btw) if it costs them ANY money. People who are struggling for money do not need to be milked for money. At least if your data is milked you can still pay rent.
Personally I'd love to see these vids : Best private phone tier list Best private custom rom ( that works with the phone previously mentioned) tier list Best password manager tier list
best windows 10 and 11 custom ISOs would be awesome steam is forcing me to install that junk and its lolonger jus ta simple boot to USB and install its now doing all this bullshit shouldent have to do!
World record breaches aside, yahoo isn't that bad service-wise. You can actually turn off targeted ads and user data being sold among other privacy related features. It is of course not obvious to find but it is possible. Still wouldn't use them if privacy is even remotely a concern however. But! the threat of breaches really keep you on your toes and maintain a good habit of changing your password frequently!
Hey! I stumbled upon your channel through the web browser video and I've been looking forward for your privacy tier lists so I can get the most private online experience yet! Thank you for all the elaborations
The Proton Mail controversy is really stupid, the only activist's information that Proton gave to the feds was an IP address, it's very similar to when Signal gave phone numbers and registration dates of a few users to the feds. But unlike a phone number, an IP address doesn't really mean anything and rebooting your router makes the old address completely useless.
It was definitely made to be way bigger of a deal than it actually was. I think most people just read the headline and just immediately thought Proton = bad
I mean, if you are committing acts that will get the alphabet boys on your case, you shouldn't be doing so from an IP address that can be easily traced back to you period.
I have been wanting to switch away from Gmail for years but the process of switching everything over to a new email has always put me off. Maybe there's an easy way that I simply don't know about.
I did it with 350+ accounts last year, just keep it doing and you will finish it! Rolling everithing into a password manager, what can handle labels/folders/tags makes it easy to track what is where! Also you can cut off your data (depending on the events) from databreaches too. Also keeping the gmail after all, just to check in yearly can be good practice to see, if you forgot an account, or forgot to tell someone your address change.
The problem I have with switching email providers is that at this point, I have hundreds of individuals and companies that have my gmail account. Switch to another account is daunting. I still do have a yahoo account but it is for random sites that I highly suspect will collect my private information. I rarely even check it.
If you were using proton mail, you can forward your Gmail to proton and then when you respond to your friends or business associates, you respond via proton and tell them within the email to use the new email address going forward.
On Disroot, giving your information to ideologue activists is just as bad an idea as giving it to anyone else, regardless of what side of the aisle you personally sit on. I've seen it repeatedly that someone falls out of lockstep once, and the cult will turn on them, and considering they don't encrypt anything, it's foolish, to me, to take that chance. As such, Mediocre Tier.
To all the people saying "I don't trust Proton": If you run a digital service business that handles customer data (email, eshop, ghost kitchen, date app etc), you *have* to comply with the government by law. Tutanota and every other email provider complies as well, Proton is just being transparent about it and that's a good thing; you know exactly what you're signing up for. I don't know why people ended up assuming Proton willingly goes out of their way to shill for the government.
@@themasterofdisastr1226 "make it sound" and "actually market it like so" is one big ass interpretation away by people who binge on outrage. Everybody logs something along the way, be it encrypted user tokens like Signal or static IP addresses (which mean absolutely nothing) like ProtonMail.
@@themasterofdisastr1226source? They also Said if the one person you're talking about (used a VPN) it would of been no issue. Its Bad OPSEC not bad service
Please know that your decision to copy gmail UI is stupid as fuck. Combining emails to some kind of endless chats is the sole reason I switched from gmail, I don't even care for their privacy policy that much.
How this channel doesn't have millions of subscribers yet is beyond me. Great analysis with in-depth research, even covering news, technologies and all! Thanks for making them understandable to not very techy individuals in this field like me. Anyways i subscribed! Awesome content man!
1. I stumbled upon your content, while searching for cyber-related stuff in audiovisual tierlist format. Gotta say- your content is truly an excellent mixture of educational and comprehensible. You and your art are appreciated. 2. I’d like to see you make a «RSS Feed Reader Tier List» 3. Could you create a playlist here, which includes your tierlists only?
Gmail wants my phone#. Does Yahoo? Talking about privacy when it comes to email seems very moot. 99% of the people you email will probably use gmail, yahoo or msft. It takes 2 to be private.
Very helpful video. I started becoming more aware of my privacy on the Internet thanks to your privacy centric videos. After being a long time user of Chrome and gmail, i finally switched to Firefox Hardened and Protonmail. Well actually, almost fully switched to Protonmail. I still use Gmail only for RUclips 😅
I worked as tech support for mail server providers for 9 years. The best practice is to host your own mail server and to make sure that your domain has the following 3 DNS records: 1. SPF 2. DKIM 3 DMARC If you have them configured correctly then major mail providers like Gmail or Yahoo should't have any reason to block your mails.
Need an update to this. Skiff shuts down at the end of this month and Proton is implementing AI. I assume Tuta is the best on the market now but there are much fewer options here with 2 of the topped ranked choices going down.
Really great video. This is the second time I hear someone mentions using Tor to create email accounts for anonymity but I don't completely understand why. It's not just the creation right? Every sign in has to be through Tor, isn't it? Also, RIP Skiff, seemed really good
I would be very interested in this, but for password managers, most notably I'd love to see how the proton and nord offerings stack up against the more established ones like bitwarden.
Self-hosting on a VPS really isn't as safe as people think, if you want to stay secure from the government they can just seize the VPS and have all your e-mails. Unless you control the hardware, use secure hardware, and set it up securely from the ground it's not that safe.
You need to setup SPF, DKIM, DMARC etc when you are hosting your own mail server if you dont want to end up inside the spam folders. It's not about google trusting you... its because those headers are missing.
I've been searching for this and then waiting for this from you for so long :D thanks! great tire list as always and thanks for rising awareness about how important privacy is online nowadays
There are a few reasons why I dislike Skiff: >They are US based. Lavabit has shown us that every provider in the US will one day either have to cooperate with the authorities (without telling anyone) or shut down. >They are driven by VC money. Private organisations should be community driven and sustainable, like Disroot or Proton, because that way you can be sure they a) listen to the community and b) don't suddenly run out of money. 10GB of storage does not make me feel sustainable. >On Reddit and Twitter, Skiff has tried to throw a lot of shade at other providers, especially Proton, with false information.
Greetings from Germany. I am not exactly a lawyer, but we are (legally and societially) that aware of privacy that operating Google the way it is done in the U.S. would be pretty much be a serious crime here.
wow dude, great work make more videos like this, I would to know more how I can be more private/secure on internet, its better than nothing. and not to be a product for such ads companies which uses all user data to give ads, train ai model, send it to government etc.
"they use their own encryption" = they use encryption that has very little real world testing. "Cryptography is harder than it looks." - bruce schneier also.. if only receivers on their system can receive the so-called encrypted emails, what proof is there it was encrypted at all? Couldn't they just transport it plaintext, set some "decryptied" header text on the recipient and call it a day?
This video made AOL, Zoho and Yandex feel special. 😅 But you cant get them all. I remember using the likes of Netzero, Juno, Bluehost and Earthlink to name a few. Thanks for another great video.
What's funny is I actually created a Yahoo email account recently because of 3 reasons: 1. for the LOLs 2. I barely hear anything about it 3. if I was forced to give my data to a company I'd rather give it to Yahoo over Microsoft and Google. Not too sure it's the best decision now that I look at it. Even if it's funny to look at on a business card.
@@PentangleYToh not like if you ever had a Verizon account they know your signature, address, calls, ssn, preferences, internet usage behavior, and the list goes on and on
Interesting list - email is definitely one of these archaic technologies that we can't manage to shake off. Dumb take, but I can't remember the last time I wrote an email in my personal account. Realistically I only write academic/work-related emails from my organization's domain. I feel like, for most people, personal email is only really used for automated communications (stores, bills, banks, online services, etc). Given that these kind of communications contain a lot of private identifiable information (even more than chats in my opinion), it's a shame that email is becoming more and more centralized.
I don't get why having less than a gigabyte for a privacy email is a deal breaker. If you're really concerned about privacy you shouldn't be using email and, if you do, download and encrypt everything you want preserved and delete everything else. That way, even if your email provider betrays you, they will have to dig through old backups.
back when Tuta had premium for 1 dollar/euro a month, That was 'the' best option for most casuals like me. Too bad they removed that and went up by 200% (3 euro a month).
I got a Yahoo address in 1997. It became my spam box. I stopped using it in the mid 00's, continued sifting for about a year. After that I just auto deleted all mail and kept it for old stuff and then abandoned it. I could make my own email server, and I have done a small amount of that sort of thing professionally at one time. I'm entirely too lazy though. It's just way too much work. I'd put it on a list with changing my oil, cutting the grass, replacing bathroom fixtures... Things I could do but won't. I like using my own domains. I just use a box provided by the host. I have an intricate set of email forwarding addresses I use for anti-spam measures of my own design. I could set it up with Proton mail, which I also have. I kind of got halfway through evaluating Proton mail . I might use it at some point, particularly if I decide to use the other features. So little time, so much software to evaluate. Which is why I'm here of course. (thanks)
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанцаI've been paying for tuta for about 7 months now, the ability to create another email within 5 clicks is really good for burner accounts and the website/app are nice.
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца Encryption works only from Tutanota to Tutanota emails its a gimmick. Some people have problems with passwords. Me included. After using Tutanota for months my password stopped working. Even if you make account they might delete it after few days. You cant use one time emails registering with Tutanota. With Proton no problems. Proton account gives you access to other services. I dont trust Proton too but it works for me.
I suspect that Tutanota is the honeypot, it would make more sense from the comments I'm reading about it. "More secure", is all I need to hear. Staying with Proton.
Thanks for making a video on this and tips especially if some email applications are more for niche software engineers or more for those who are open source, I'd rather take an approach to privacy
My fiancé still has a yahoo email. I’ve mentioned to her in the past about the security concerns and the terrible company that is Yahoo, and she just doesn’t care. I think she’ll still hold on to that email until Yahoo shuts down their service
Proton overall just feels good. You have one account for a ton of different things, may it be Mail, Calender or Password Manager. You can argue about the prices, but even the Free Plan is enough for most things you could want to do.
If I think about how much I paid for Tutanota, SimpleLogin, Surfshark and Bit warden before I swap to Proton, Proton Premium seems to be cheap af. Also, the auto fill, passphrase generator and browser extension of Proton Pass are better than Bit warden, Simple Login works so well with Proton Mail and has a good integration of it's basic features into Proton Pass and the almost not existing lost in latency and speed while using Proton VPN allows playing multiplayer games which was never possible with Surfshark. Surfshark meant to lose so much connection quality. Not even calls works. It's a complete no brainer for me now.
@@goofyahdemoman1134 But google also monitors your entire life, so I'd rather have an email from a company that gives you more security and has one gigabyte than an email from a company that monitors you entirely and has 15 gigabytes.
there's also "hey" email. it's focused on an alternative UX for email (no encryption or anything), but they also claim they don't read your email. Only downside is its a bit expensive at $99/year
Great tier list and great work (as of today). Now, I know I'm going to sound as an idiot but, what are your thoughts on iCloud Mail...? I'm barely getting into being privacy aware. Thanks in advance.
Dr. Shiva has suggested that the US Postal Service should get into email because your privacy would be protected by the Constitution. Anyone who would read your email besides the person you sent it to would face a 22 year prison sentence, including anyone in government.
Hosting your own IMAP server is very easy. So one option is to do that, and use it for storing your mail-archive. That way you don´t spend much space at your mail provider, and your old mail do not get compromised if mail provider is hacked, or have to hand over data.
Self hosting isn't that bad, you just need to relay the outbound mails via some reputable SMTP relay provider. But of course for small businesses where uptime and maintenance are important it's best to pay a little money to some company to take care of that for you.
This is not exactly true, if you want a email server then you need to make sure many different services like google verification actually trust mail from your domain, this is not default and is a hassle to do
Would you like to get a house for free if in every room and even toilet was enough cameras to watch you all the time with the risk of loosing the house if any of your behaviour would be against unclearly written regulations with no chance to appeal?
Definitely liked and Subscribed to this channel as currently researching De-Googling everything and your browser video and then your video list brought me to this one!!
@@RockyRZTheir devices are really expensive and hard to repair. There's also the planned obsolescence but I can't speak on that because I haven't owned an apple device except for the iPad Air 1st gen (which to their credit lasted for quite a while)
@@PerMejdal I do think that the right and wrong reasons to use a VPN video would be very helpful. For the relatively privacy uninitiated folks like myself, understanding just how important VPN use would be in various cases would be helpful.
Re: complaints about end-to-end encryption not encrypting metadata, headers, etc. It CAN'T. If you want to be able to route your stuff across the Internet to other places (read: other email providers), *they have to be able to read where to send your traffic*. Analogy. You can encrypt your personal letter. No problem. Now, reading that letter means decryption is necessary. But if you want to mail it anywhere, using any system other than couriers who get the delivery and return information another way, the address and return address and postage CAN'T be encrypted or your letter goes nowhere.
wait so basically all of the options are not end to end encrypted if you are sending them outside of their domain? whats the point of encryption if it only works "locally" and doesnt encript the recipient of the message? if person A (skiff) sends an email to person B (gmail) cant they just read the recipient from skiff and go to person B google mailbox to read everything?
It would've been nice if you would have also listed iCloud mail from Apple, especially with their iCloud+ payment option, just pure curiousity if they would manage to be on the mediocre tier compared to the botnets.
@@marcogenovesi8570 I wouldn't say that. They don't sell your data to other companies. They only use it for themselves. It is not a privacy service, but it is not the worst one. I would put it in the mediocre tier.
"I just want my emails read by me and maybe the person I send it to" we even doubting the recipient now
*sends email to some random email with sone info instead of writing down that info somwhere else*
i'm glad someone else reacted to that comment. i don't know why but it had me roaring with laughter so loud that everyone in the house wanted to know what was wrong with me.
In the realm of OpenPGP encryption, the ideal scenario is where even the sender can't decipher the contents of the transmitted package - that's the hallmark of a successful end-to-end encryption (E2EE), at least the asymmetrical-only E2EE.
I like that "maybe". If you drop that requirement you can get a *lot* more secure. 😂
Dear John,
I hope this email does not find you.
Skiff just announced they are going to shut down their services for ever
and i was ready to make a new account :(
Wait, this is how I find out about this? WTF Skiff! OMG!
Wow, their generous offer didn't last for long.
@@NicolasSilvaVasault same here 😂😂😂
@@JokingAroundInternet the morale is you hsould never give too much trust to theses companies, even the most honest one won't refuse an investissor, and you will do the same if you were they ^^
"I want my emails to be read by me and *maybe* the person i am sending it to"
I forgot how email worked for a second there
If you use Proton mail or Tutanota because of the privacy .... please note, if you send email to something like gmail you still have no privacy.
you should do a Mobile web browser tier list
Not a bad idea. Maybe in the future
How about android distro tier list (custom roms)
kiwi is the best
Also, IM apps would be 🔥
Firefox Nightly, it has extensions and about:config support meaning mobile hardening support. Also sync with desktop is always useful.
WOW, are you spying on me or what? After 4+ years of using Gmail, I decided I wanted to switch just a week ago!
Maybe it's gmail who's spying on you and this is why you got this video recommended.
😂😂
@@MarcCastellsBallesta scary 😲
Fun fact: now, I don't get recommendations on the homepage anymore AT ALL, because i have the watch history turned off
Completely unrelated to privacy but the dog in the photo of the disroot site is Loukanikos, the famous Greek "riot dog" that was with us at every rally, he passed away about 10 years ago and seeing him made me very emotional.
This didn’t age well - trusting skiff with its venture capital was terrible
Right, Proton mail in S tier makes no sense now
@@Dread_Pirate_Roberts_2013 why is that?
@@Dread_Pirate_Roberts_2013 It won't be for so long, there has been some enshitification to protonvpn by removing a lot of features and making it premium-only
On top of that they started doing youtube sponsers
The shareholders and investors and these trash CEOs are going to ruin protonmail
@@RegressStage Lookup "Proton Mail Discloses User Data Leading to Arrest in Spain." May 6, 2024.
@@Dread_Pirate_Roberts_2013 exactly!
Having private mail is, in my country, required by law. But only snail mail, not e-mail. Shows how old laws are.
every country on this great green earth does lawful interception, even Switzerland
@@acuteaurayep, but if the service doesn't collect such data then they cannot physically be of help to authorities
I've been very happily using Posteo for couple of years now. I really love their transparency. And them being an nature-friendly email client the small things they do accordingly, like working on minimizing server loads, not bothering by spam (by just blocking them, not marking). I love that they show their Javascript licenses and other small small things.
Posteo is a very good option, I like them too
I do not like them as an email sender, because their spam filter had been over-cautious with blocking email from custom domains not used by the big providers... As a developer of an app that uses email for password reset and some notification systems, thats not exactly a good thing.
To my knowledge, I haven’t had so much as a hint of trouble from Posteo in the several years I’ve been a customer (with my “primary” email address). I’m in the US, if it matters.
The problem is that I have like 10 GMail accounts. Based on the amount of emails I have, it would cost me 45 EUROS a month(and I would have to pay 540 EUROS IN ADVANCE) just for email. You can't get people to switch off GMail(which is free btw) if it costs them ANY money. People who are struggling for money do not need to be milked for money. At least if your data is milked you can still pay rent.
Just found you channel a couple of days ago and you convinced me to finally ditch Chrome for LibreWolf. Great content mate, thanks, new sub earned!
Thanks, appreciate it!
You can also turn off the telemetry in about:config. Speeds up your browser a lot.
I too just ditched Chrome for LibreWolf after watching these videos and I love it already. Can't believe I didn't do it sooner.
This is super informative and I think the tier lists you do are great because they're really easy to watch. The chapters are really nice too
Personally I'd love to see these vids :
Best private phone tier list
Best private custom rom ( that works with the phone previously mentioned) tier list
Best password manager tier list
best windows 10 and 11 custom ISOs would be awesome steam is forcing me to install that junk and its lolonger jus ta simple boot to USB and install its now doing all this bullshit shouldent have to do!
Phones by definition can't be private
My password manager is my jewlery box. My parrot earrings keep my Apple ID company.
Just wanted to say thank you for your tier lists on private browsers, search engines, and now email clients. They've all been very helpful!
you should do a VPN tier list
Will probably do one in the future
AirVPN is proper. Used Mullvad before but they dropped port forward. VPN tier list is a good idea.
Will that also include self hosted VPN or Tor?
@@ObjectPresents self hosted vpn is good for using your homelab services from outside your home
it definitely should, and maybe include I2P and yggdrasil too, if it's not too offtopic :) @@ObjectPresents
Yahoo needs to be in a category BELOW Botnet Tier 💀 The other two at least come with a few gigs of cloud storage for your non-sensitive documents.
blud, yahoo has 1TB of FREEEEE storage
World record breaches aside, yahoo isn't that bad service-wise. You can actually turn off targeted ads and user data being sold among other privacy related features. It is of course not obvious to find but it is possible. Still wouldn't use them if privacy is even remotely a concern however. But! the threat of breaches really keep you on your toes and maintain a good habit of changing your password frequently!
"skiff lasting awhile"... is 9 months awhile? They've been acquired by Notion.
Hey! I stumbled upon your channel through the web browser video and I've been looking forward for your privacy tier lists so I can get the most private online experience yet!
Thank you for all the elaborations
The Proton Mail controversy is really stupid, the only activist's information that Proton gave to the feds was an IP address, it's very similar to when Signal gave phone numbers and registration dates of a few users to the feds. But unlike a phone number, an IP address doesn't really mean anything and rebooting your router makes the old address completely useless.
It was definitely made to be way bigger of a deal than it actually was. I think most people just read the headline and just immediately thought Proton = bad
if you have a static ip rebooting the router will do nothing
Wouldnt the ISP have the DNS records related to that IP though? Or have an identifier to the person who had the IP amongst their customers?
I mean, if you are committing acts that will get the alphabet boys on your case, you shouldn't be doing so from an IP address that can be easily traced back to you period.
@@SquirtleHermit This. I failed to mention this in my comment but it's very true
I have been wanting to switch away from Gmail for years but the process of switching everything over to a new email has always put me off. Maybe there's an easy way that I simply don't know about.
Protonmail and Skiff have an easy import from Gmail. After that, the only hard part is letting everyone know you have a new email address
@@EricMurphyxyz Thank you for letting me know. Those 2 are the alternatives I am considering, ironically. I will try this out soon.
I did it with 350+ accounts last year, just keep it doing and you will finish it! Rolling everithing into a password manager, what can handle labels/folders/tags makes it easy to track what is where! Also you can cut off your data (depending on the events) from databreaches too.
Also keeping the gmail after all, just to check in yearly can be good practice to see, if you forgot an account, or forgot to tell someone your address change.
i might switch for gmail to proton in the coming months. seeing theres family plan might do that some time in the spring to help the family :)
The problem I have with switching email providers is that at this point, I have hundreds of individuals and companies that have my gmail account. Switch to another account is daunting. I still do have a yahoo account but it is for random sites that I highly suspect will collect my private information. I rarely even check it.
If you were using proton mail, you can forward your Gmail to proton and then when you respond to your friends or business associates, you respond via proton and tell them within the email to use the new email address going forward.
On Disroot, giving your information to ideologue activists is just as bad an idea as giving it to anyone else, regardless of what side of the aisle you personally sit on. I've seen it repeatedly that someone falls out of lockstep once, and the cult will turn on them, and considering they don't encrypt anything, it's foolish, to me, to take that chance. As such, Mediocre Tier.
if thats true then their activism is only virtue signaling. Encryption should be the minimum not the exception.
I wanted to use it because it's small. But it's down.
To all the people saying "I don't trust Proton": If you run a digital service business that handles customer data (email, eshop, ghost kitchen, date app etc), you *have* to comply with the government by law. Tutanota and every other email provider complies as well, Proton is just being transparent about it and that's a good thing; you know exactly what you're signing up for. I don't know why people ended up assuming Proton willingly goes out of their way to shill for the government.
This DOES NOT excuse their marketing WHATSOEVER. They make it sound like they dont log anything, which is bs.
@@themasterofdisastr1226 "make it sound" and "actually market it like so" is one big ass interpretation away by people who binge on outrage. Everybody logs something along the way, be it encrypted user tokens like Signal or static IP addresses (which mean absolutely nothing) like ProtonMail.
Bruh, they only became 'transparent' after the fiasco with french government. Go on, shill for the liar company.
This
@@themasterofdisastr1226source?
They also Said if the one person you're talking about (used a VPN) it would of been no issue.
Its Bad OPSEC not bad service
Thanks so much for the support! I'm one of the Skiff founders. Appreciate the feedback and review.
Thanks for making a great product!
Please know that your decision to copy gmail UI is stupid as fuck. Combining emails to some kind of endless chats is the sole reason I switched from gmail, I don't even care for their privacy policy that much.
@@EricMurphyxyz well this aged like milk
@@zeeweenorwhat happened?
@@zeeweenor yeah what happened?
How this channel doesn't have millions of subscribers yet is beyond me. Great analysis with in-depth research, even covering news, technologies and all! Thanks for making them understandable to not very techy individuals in this field like me. Anyways i subscribed! Awesome content man!
Really appreciate it!
This channel doesn't have millions of subscribers yet because he put the Gmail on the last tier on google RUclips platform 🤣
1. I stumbled upon your content, while searching for cyber-related stuff in audiovisual tierlist format. Gotta say- your content is truly an excellent mixture of educational and comprehensible. You and your art are appreciated.
2. I’d like to see you make a «RSS Feed Reader Tier List»
3. Could you create a playlist here, which includes your tierlists only?
Only real downside to Skiff mail is that it is based in the USA which is under all the 5 eyes 9 eyes and 14 eyes for government surveillance
Just found your channel through a few older videos and when browsing your channel i saw you had uploaded 55 seconds ago😅
Gmail wants my phone#. Does Yahoo?
Talking about privacy when it comes to email seems very moot. 99% of the people you email will probably use gmail, yahoo or msft. It takes 2 to be private.
Very helpful video. I started becoming more aware of my privacy on the Internet thanks to your privacy centric videos. After being a long time user of Chrome and gmail, i finally switched to Firefox Hardened and Protonmail. Well actually, almost fully switched to Protonmail. I still use Gmail only for RUclips 😅
Thanks for making such honest and straight-forward tierlist videos. They're helpful, and hard to come by.
I worked as tech support for mail server providers for 9 years. The best practice is to host your own mail server and to make sure that your domain has the following 3 DNS records:
1. SPF
2. DKIM
3 DMARC
If you have them configured correctly then major mail providers like Gmail or Yahoo should't have any reason to block your mails.
No one really uses email in personal life for communication - it's mostly for auto communication/storage of information/bills and so on
SPF type records are ‘not recommended’ labeled, in AWS route 53, any idea why so?
Need an update to this. Skiff shuts down at the end of this month and Proton is implementing AI. I assume Tuta is the best on the market now but there are much fewer options here with 2 of the topped ranked choices going down.
Really great video. This is the second time I hear someone mentions using Tor to create email accounts for anonymity but I don't completely understand why. It's not just the creation right? Every sign in has to be through Tor, isn't it?
Also, RIP Skiff, seemed really good
I would be very interested in this, but for password managers, most notably I'd love to see how the proton and nord offerings stack up against the more established ones like bitwarden.
Keepass2 is the best password manager, and Syncthing is the best -cloud- synced storage to put keepass in.
>bitwarden meme
Offline pass managers are king if you have good backup habits
Offline pass manager + Syncthing is best
Self-hosting on a VPS really isn't as safe as people think, if you want to stay secure from the government they can just seize the VPS and have all your e-mails. Unless you control the hardware, use secure hardware, and set it up securely from the ground it's not that safe.
You need to setup SPF, DKIM, DMARC etc when you are hosting your own mail server if you dont want to end up inside the spam folders. It's not about google trusting you... its because those headers are missing.
I've been searching for this and then waiting for this from you for so long :D thanks! great tire list as always and thanks for rising awareness about how important privacy is online nowadays
Thanks for the thorough review. Bonus points for the Yahoo roasting at the end *sizzle*
There are a few reasons why I dislike Skiff:
>They are US based. Lavabit has shown us that every provider in the US will one day either have to cooperate with the authorities (without telling anyone) or shut down.
>They are driven by VC money. Private organisations should be community driven and sustainable, like Disroot or Proton, because that way you can be sure they a) listen to the community and b) don't suddenly run out of money. 10GB of storage does not make me feel sustainable.
>On Reddit and Twitter, Skiff has tried to throw a lot of shade at other providers, especially Proton, with false information.
Greetings from Germany. I am not exactly a lawyer, but we are (legally and societially) that aware of privacy that operating Google the way it is done in the U.S. would be pretty much be a serious crime here.
wow dude, great work make more videos like this, I would to know more how I can be more private/secure on internet, its better than nothing. and not to be a product for such ads companies which uses all user data to give ads, train ai model, send it to government etc.
Hotmail addresses in 2023 are a thing of beauty and noone can change my mind.
I literally JUST switched from Yahoo to Proton after watching Proton vids for the past hour or so. Thats crazy. 2011-2024 was a good run, RIP.
we need a messaging tier list (telegram, signal, etc)
also want to say you are the goat
"I just want my emails read by me and maybe the person i send it to" that, is some NEXT LEVEL privacy expectations xD
"they use their own encryption" = they use encryption that has very little real world testing.
"Cryptography is harder than it looks." - bruce schneier
also.. if only receivers on their system can receive the so-called encrypted emails, what proof is there it was encrypted at all? Couldn't they just transport it plaintext, set some "decryptied" header text on the recipient and call it a day?
Awesome video Eric, I as a long time gmail user really appreciate all your knowledge on this.
This video made AOL, Zoho and Yandex feel special. 😅 But you cant get them all. I remember using the likes of Netzero, Juno, Bluehost and Earthlink to name a few. Thanks for another great video.
Yandex is botnet tier though
@@AndreyLebedintsev But if you don't live in Russia it should be fine. Use the botnet of the enemy.
@@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer But then it's just spyware.
I want an AOL email address for the 90s cred. :(
Skiff is now part of Notion
What's funny is I actually created a Yahoo email account recently because of 3 reasons:
1. for the LOLs
2. I barely hear anything about it
3. if I was forced to give my data to a company I'd rather give it to Yahoo over Microsoft and Google.
Not too sure it's the best decision now that I look at it. Even if it's funny to look at on a business card.
You will be giving your data to Verizon.
@@PentangleYToh not like if you ever had a Verizon account they know your signature, address, calls, ssn, preferences, internet usage behavior, and the list goes on and on
@@boombeepboomboop If in the USA ‘YES’ but my reply was from global perspective.
Interesting list - email is definitely one of these archaic technologies that we can't manage to shake off. Dumb take, but I can't remember the last time I wrote an email in my personal account. Realistically I only write academic/work-related emails from my organization's domain. I feel like, for most people, personal email is only really used for automated communications (stores, bills, banks, online services, etc). Given that these kind of communications contain a lot of private identifiable information (even more than chats in my opinion), it's a shame that email is becoming more and more centralized.
I don't get why having less than a gigabyte for a privacy email is a deal breaker. If you're really concerned about privacy you shouldn't be using email and, if you do, download and encrypt everything you want preserved and delete everything else. That way, even if your email provider betrays you, they will have to dig through old backups.
yeah agreed, Thunderbird email is actually amazing, especially after their recent UI tweaks.
back when Tuta had premium for 1 dollar/euro a month, That was 'the' best option for most casuals like me. Too bad they removed that and went up by 200% (3 euro a month).
Email is so necessary now that we should really get an address with our ISP that isn't subject to data harvesting. Such a scam.
But if you change ISP won't you will lose your email account?
I got a Yahoo address in 1997. It became my spam box. I stopped using it in the mid 00's, continued sifting for about a year. After that I just auto deleted all mail and kept it for old stuff and then abandoned it. I could make my own email server, and I have done a small amount of that sort of thing professionally at one time. I'm entirely too lazy though. It's just way too much work. I'd put it on a list with changing my oil, cutting the grass, replacing bathroom fixtures... Things I could do but won't.
I like using my own domains. I just use a box provided by the host. I have an intricate set of email forwarding addresses I use for anti-spam measures of my own design. I could set it up with Proton mail, which I also have. I kind of got halfway through evaluating Proton mail . I might use it at some point, particularly if I decide to use the other features. So little time, so much software to evaluate. Which is why I'm here of course. (thanks)
There is no such thing as private email. If you want privacy, just don't use email.
@@barbanasci I meant don't use email if you are sharing sensitive messages.
Signed up for Skiff like a month ago. Willing to stay supporting it.
Skiff based in US making it a NO GO in the most intrusive and invasive spying country on earth....
yep now it's shutting down
This is a great tier list.
I don’t trust Proton and prefer Tutanota, but I totally get why Proton is the best for Grandma.
Great video
is Tutanota worth it? i think i might want to use more encrypted process of email but i really don't have much to email with
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанцаI've been paying for tuta for about 7 months now, the ability to create another email within 5 clicks is really good for burner accounts and the website/app are nice.
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца Encryption works only from Tutanota to Tutanota emails its a gimmick. Some people have problems with passwords. Me included. After using Tutanota for months my password stopped working. Even if you make account they might delete it after few days. You cant use one time emails registering with Tutanota. With Proton no problems. Proton account gives you access to other services. I dont trust Proton too but it works for me.
I can't use either one, I really need the email forwarding feature and proton refuse to implement it. (And tutanota's is locked behind a paywall).
I suspect that Tutanota is the honeypot, it would make more sense from the comments I'm reading about it. "More secure", is all I need to hear. Staying with Proton.
as an iCloud/MobileMe mail user, I see this as an absolute win.
Phone companies tier list
They're all F tier lol
I found this channel today and fell in love with it. thank you thank you
Thanks for making a video on this and tips especially if some email applications are more for niche software engineers or more for those who are open source, I'd rather take an approach to privacy
My fiancé still has a yahoo email. I’ve mentioned to her in the past about the security concerns and the terrible company that is Yahoo, and she just doesn’t care. I think she’ll still hold on to that email until Yahoo shuts down their service
I really like those type of videos and earlier today i was asking myself if you made this exact video ro my surprise it just released
i will try skiff mail, thanks eric! you have obviously a great knowledge of the topic you talk about!
lmaoo, you're 6 months late blud
Proton overall just feels good. You have one account for a ton of different things, may it be Mail, Calender or Password Manager. You can argue about the prices, but even the Free Plan is enough for most things you could want to do.
If I think about how much I paid for Tutanota, SimpleLogin, Surfshark and Bit warden before I swap to Proton, Proton Premium seems to be cheap af. Also, the auto fill, passphrase generator and browser extension of Proton Pass are better than Bit warden, Simple Login works so well with Proton Mail and has a good integration of it's basic features into Proton Pass and the almost not existing lost in latency and speed while using Proton VPN allows playing multiplayer games which was never possible with Surfshark. Surfshark meant to lose so much connection quality. Not even calls works. It's a complete no brainer for me now.
The dealbreaker for ProtonMail is the abysmal ONE GIGABYTE max storage.
Gmail has 15 GB max.
@@goofyahdemoman1134well counter, gmail is botnet overlord looking at all your stuff and scraping you like 5 year old gum, so…
@@goofyahdemoman1134 But google also monitors your entire life, so I'd rather have an email from a company that gives you more security and has one gigabyte than an email from a company that monitors you entirely and has 15 gigabytes.
The thing is that most people use gmail and outlock if you going to email other people, these would read your email anyway
37:00 Conclusion for you based boyos.
there's also "hey" email. it's focused on an alternative UX for email (no encryption or anything), but they also claim they don't read your email. Only downside is its a bit expensive at $99/year
Great tier list and great work (as of today). Now, I know I'm going to sound as an idiot but, what are your thoughts on iCloud Mail...? I'm barely getting into being privacy aware. Thanks in advance.
Dr. Shiva has suggested that the US Postal Service should get into email because your privacy would be protected by the Constitution. Anyone who would read your email besides the person you sent it to would face a 22 year prison sentence, including anyone in government.
I don't mind paying for Protonmail. I want to support companies that provide good product - rather than *me* being the product.
Skiff can encrypt emails using PGP sending to other email providers
Hosting your own IMAP server is very easy. So one option is to do that, and use it for storing your mail-archive. That way you don´t spend much space at your mail provider, and your old mail do not get compromised if mail provider is hacked, or have to hand over data.
Self hosting isn't that bad, you just need to relay the outbound mails via some reputable SMTP relay provider. But of course for small businesses where uptime and maintenance are important it's best to pay a little money to some company to take care of that for you.
This is not exactly true, if you want a email server then you need to make sure many different services like google verification actually trust mail from your domain, this is not default and is a hassle to do
Posteo, paranoid, disroot, elude, riseup.
The thing is Gmail is free, data is how Google makes their money.
Would you like to get a house for free if in every room and even toilet was enough cameras to watch you all the time with the risk of loosing the house if any of your behaviour would be against unclearly written regulations with no chance to appeal?
@Malinowy2024 this isn't a house though, it's email, you can achieve privacy elsewhere or not use it entirely for stuff that is important
Me using outlook because my dad set up my 10 year old account:
Same for me and my Gmail. All my stuff is tied to the damn thing.
@@Dafuqinator7 Time to change!
I believe I'm late, but I think It's worthy to mention that Google made an april fools in 2016 that literally got people fired.
I didn't even watch the video, but I trust your paranoia so I will check out the top choices. Thank you sir.
Thanks but watch the video lol
Yes stay away from my precious gmx
Hey bro, can you do a Cloud Storage Tier list? OneDrive, Dropbox , Google Drive , Proton Drive , MEGA, Pcloud , Mediafire, Sync , StorJ , etc... (Thx)
That's easy. MediaFire is based tier.
I've been shopping around for an alternative email account and this has been really helpful.
"Do you think AI is going to take over the world? Asking for a friend"
The problem is that completely switching emails is almost impossible
Why?
Google reads my emails? Oh.... gross....
I don’t want Google reading my email
Definitely liked and Subscribed to this channel as currently researching De-Googling everything and your browser video and then your video list brought me to this one!!
Do you consider Apple's iCloud mail just as bad as Google's Gmail or slightly better? Which tier would it be?
probably a bit better. apple sucks but they care a bit about privacy, unlike google.
@@GraveUyposo why do they suck?
@@RockyRZTheir devices are really expensive and hard to repair. There's also the planned obsolescence but I can't speak on that because I haven't owned an apple device except for the iPad Air 1st gen (which to their credit lasted for quite a while)
Finally someone with a rational take on selfhosted email.
Proton has been working very well for 2 years. I could ditch Google for good but I am still married with it because of Android.
@@barbanasci you can use other email services to open account on youtube only.
0:53 _Maybe_ the person you're sending it to? :D Maximum privacy hack: hash your emails before sending them.
The best way to protect your privacy is never communicate with another human ;)
Could you make a VPN tier list please? I've not managed to find out if there's one that's really considered the best.
If he make such a video, he should start with the right and wrong reasons to use a VPN. I think Mullvad is the best VPN provider.
@@PerMejdal I do think that the right and wrong reasons to use a VPN video would be very helpful. For the relatively privacy uninitiated folks like myself, understanding just how important VPN use would be in various cases would be helpful.
Re: complaints about end-to-end encryption not encrypting metadata, headers, etc. It CAN'T. If you want to be able to route your stuff across the Internet to other places (read: other email providers), *they have to be able to read where to send your traffic*.
Analogy. You can encrypt your personal letter. No problem. Now, reading that letter means decryption is necessary. But if you want to mail it anywhere, using any system other than couriers who get the delivery and return information another way, the address and return address and postage CAN'T be encrypted or your letter goes nowhere.
Aaaaaaand it's gone (Skiff).
Lol the best one, rip
I like your Ultimate Tiering Videos, make one based on Operating Systems
You should do Messaging Apps next
wait so basically all of the options are not end to end encrypted if you are sending them outside of their domain?
whats the point of encryption if it only works "locally" and doesnt encript the recipient of the message?
if person A (skiff) sends an email to person B (gmail) cant they just read the recipient from skiff and go to person B google mailbox to read everything?
It would've been nice if you would have also listed iCloud mail from Apple, especially with their iCloud+ payment option, just pure curiousity if they would manage to be on the mediocre tier compared to the botnets.
it's botnet just like Outlook and Gmail
@@marcogenovesi8570 I wouldn't say that. They don't sell your data to other companies. They only use it for themselves. It is not a privacy service, but it is not the worst one. I would put it in the mediocre tier.
gmail is 10x better than outlook when it comes to filtering spam mails.
You're my favorite channel.