Yikes... this video didn't age well! Skiff was just acquired by Notion and will be shutting down in 12 months. Skiff update here: ruclips.net/video/fHIfJVC2kU4/видео.html
I can't be the only one who finds Tuta's interface refreshing. I actually really like it. No clutter, no extraneous options for customization. It just works. I also appreciate the lack of something like Proton Bridge for external email clients. I feel pretty confident that they're working on the stuff that really matters.
I've said it before gentlemen but here is the truth: Email protocols are not secure by default and they never will be. Even encrypted ones are still vulnerable if the company decides to track what you are saying, and they are only really 'secure' if you send it to another person using the same service. If you are trying to truly be private, email services are not an option no matter how 'secure' it is, or claims to be. On a side note, running your own mail server doesn't fix these issues. Email as a protocol isn't meant to be private and is very vulnerable and old. If you are looking for something truly private, stick with Signal or PGP messages.
So far, this is the most comprehensive video coverage I have seen. Ninety nine percent of the rest cover just privacy. You covered real world user experience thus, when it comes to the GUI and material design and workflow of each package, one gets a really solid idea of what they're in for work flow wise. I found this section to be the most informative aspect: 3:15 onwards is really informative. It shows users what kind of experience to expect. I could see immediately when you reached Tuta, there's a sketchy wonky looking interface and very little workflow options not to mention, like with a lot of German software designed for audio and video recording, some companies have a tendancy to design in a non intuitive manner thus frustrating end users until they depart and seek something that makes sense and has more workflow options. Nice coverage and nicely presented.
Thanks for the video. I have a question about email aliases. This is all new to me so if my question doesn't make sense, I apologize. For privacy, spam reduction, and account security, is it better to create an email alias for each of my accounts that require an email using whatever provider I choose (proton, tuta, etc) or would it be better to use something like simplelogin or annonaddy to create email addresses and have them forwarded to my email provider? Thanks!
at the end of the day, it all comes down to trusting your provider. great free plan with skiff while startmail paid account shines at unlimited disposable aliases.
Thanks for the video. You mentioned that Proton was/is $12.99 a month, but what you failed to mention is that this charge is for a month to month package deal which covers the VPN, email, calendar, drive and pass. If you get a 1 year plan it lowers that down to $9.99 a month for all those services. I would say that is quite reasonable, considering many people spend $30-100 a month just on streaming services alone. Well worth it if you care about your privacy? Why do you think that the service should be free or complain that they have limited services for the free tier ? Companies need to make money somehow to pay their employees? All companies are required to abide by the law to give up info if requested by the court. If you have committed a crime you can't hide behind "the company said they don't save logs". Though, I saw another video that explained a good way to protect oneself is by using a YubiKey to get into your email each time. By setting it up this way, the only way that the email can be read by ANYONE is if they have the key. I am still looking into Proton or Nord but have not chosen yet.
I always present the month-to-month price when possible because I don’t like the marketing tactics of companies listing a “monthly” price but it’s actually billed annually. However, I’ve started listing both the month-to-month and annual discounted pricing in videos. I may have come on a bit strong with my point about the service needing to be free due to my passion for Skiff, but unfortunately it was short lived since Skiff is shutting down. I’ve since switched to Proton as I now see it as the best option on the market.
@@Craylor thank you for prompt reply. I agree I do not like " monthly price" scheme either. I like free as well, but these smaller companies just do not make as much as the Googles of the world in advertising and selling info, to offer free services. As you know, it may look free on our end but Google makes its up via ads and selling your info etc. I wish Nord had an email service like Proton as I would like to get all my services from one company. I might have to get VPN service from Nord and email from Proton? Thanks again for being honest.
Skiff is dead ,how about making a video about your thoughts ? I was a paying skiff customer for 7 months ,now I have to move everything ...It came out of nowhere too
Yeah, it’s a huge bummer. Notion is shutting down all Skiff products around July or August. I made a pinned comment with an update. I ended up migrating my email to Proton.
i dont believe in their encryption. everything is more or less backdoored. i use skiff because im too lazy to run my own mail server, and skiff lets u use custom domains
That’s another great use case for it. I use it for my personal email and still run it on a domain. I wanted to get away from Gmail and invest in a solution that would allow me ultimate flexibility long term. By moving my email to a custom domain, I can switch hosts at any time and never have to change my email again.
Does anyone know any email alternative from companies that don't collaborate directly with Israeli security, or that pay taxes elsewhere? I'm trying to participate in BDS and this part is really hard, specially because I lack the technical knowledge to discern exactly how tech companies are involved. I don't mind if certain parts or protocols were developed there, as long as they don't get revenue or help with the cyberpunk-like suppression of liberty in the West Bank. Is Tuta okay?
@@Nick-bo6rz Skiff supports PGP, so you can send encrypted mail to any PGP-enabled email (Proton Mail, StartMail, etc.). The encrypted subject lines are exclusive to Skiff users since that’s not part of normal PGP encryption.
tuta is trash and ugly + woke skiff was my favorite bc of the simple perfection... i dont trust proton either.. wtf is starmail, looks unfinished :D .... i need options or i should gift all my information to gmail
Yikes... this video didn't age well! Skiff was just acquired by Notion and will be shutting down in 12 months. Skiff update here: ruclips.net/video/fHIfJVC2kU4/видео.html
YIKES is right. I signed up 3 months ago and received the email an hour ago.
i sighed up yesterday :(
@@tcraige
i just signed up a month ago haha. i was only using it for an alt account so not bigge, but still, grr
Shame honestly, it's the best one.
@@tcraige
Same here and moved a few custom domains over as well. Follow up video would be great.
I can't be the only one who finds Tuta's interface refreshing. I actually really like it. No clutter, no extraneous options for customization. It just works. I also appreciate the lack of something like Proton Bridge for external email clients. I feel pretty confident that they're working on the stuff that really matters.
Skiff is now dead, yay time to spend 12 hours moving all my emails across, god I hate it!
Lmao, same. Now I have to set up a new recovery email for my other accounts too 😅
What should I use proton mail is now banned and skiff is dead and startmail is paid
I'm running proton right now but need to switch fast any recommendations?
What do you mean Proton is banned? @@Himanshu_kld
What do you mean by being dead ?
I've said it before gentlemen but here is the truth: Email protocols are not secure by default and they never will be. Even encrypted ones are still vulnerable if the company decides to track what you are saying, and they are only really 'secure' if you send it to another person using the same service. If you are trying to truly be private, email services are not an option no matter how 'secure' it is, or claims to be.
On a side note, running your own mail server doesn't fix these issues. Email as a protocol isn't meant to be private and is very vulnerable and old. If you are looking for something truly private, stick with Signal or PGP messages.
What a bummer. Skiff is no more! I don't suppose you can argue with 60mil. I guess its back to proton
So far, this is the most comprehensive video coverage I have seen. Ninety nine percent of the rest cover just privacy. You covered real world user experience thus, when it comes to the GUI and material design and workflow of each package, one gets a really solid idea of what they're in for work flow wise. I found this section to be the most informative aspect: 3:15 onwards is really informative. It shows users what kind of experience to expect. I could see immediately when you reached Tuta, there's a sketchy wonky looking interface and very little workflow options not to mention, like with a lot of German software designed for audio and video recording, some companies have a tendancy to design in a non intuitive manner thus frustrating end users until they depart and seek something that makes sense and has more workflow options.
Nice coverage and nicely presented.
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words! UI and features matter just as much as the privacy element.
Great stuff
With skiff joining Notion in 6 months, with a planned phased out
What to you suggest next
Thanks for all this great info
Jeez, Skiff have now shutdown (10th Feb 2024)
He didn't mention the Linux Desktop package :"C fron Tuta and Proton.
Their pgp passphrases won't reset if you don't have the original passphrase. I had to close 2 group accounts as a result.
Thanks for the video. I have a question about email aliases. This is all new to me so if my question doesn't make sense, I apologize. For privacy, spam reduction, and account security, is it better to create an email alias for each of my accounts that require an email using whatever provider I choose (proton, tuta, etc) or would it be better to use something like simplelogin or annonaddy to create email addresses and have them forwarded to my email provider? Thanks!
is their a good email provider with good storage and secure
at the end of the day, it all comes down to trusting your provider. great free plan with skiff while startmail paid account shines at unlimited disposable aliases.
Skiff doesn't let you nest labels or folders so I gave up on it.
What do you use now? I will admit, I’ve never really used folders or labels in my inbox.
Thanks for the video. You mentioned that Proton was/is $12.99 a month, but what you failed to mention is that this charge is for a month to month package deal which covers the VPN, email, calendar, drive and pass. If you get a 1 year plan it lowers that down to $9.99 a month for all those services. I would say that is quite reasonable, considering many people spend $30-100 a month just on streaming services alone. Well worth it if you care about your privacy? Why do you think that the service should be free or complain that they have limited services for the free tier ? Companies need to make money somehow to pay their employees? All companies are required to abide by the law to give up info if requested by the court. If you have committed a crime you can't hide behind "the company said they don't save logs". Though, I saw another video that explained a good way to protect oneself is by using a YubiKey to get into your email each time. By setting it up this way, the only way that the email can be read by ANYONE is if they have the key. I am still looking into Proton or Nord but have not chosen yet.
I always present the month-to-month price when possible because I don’t like the marketing tactics of companies listing a “monthly” price but it’s actually billed annually. However, I’ve started listing both the month-to-month and annual discounted pricing in videos.
I may have come on a bit strong with my point about the service needing to be free due to my passion for Skiff, but unfortunately it was short lived since Skiff is shutting down.
I’ve since switched to Proton as I now see it as the best option on the market.
@@Craylor thank you for prompt reply. I agree I do not like " monthly price" scheme either. I like free as well, but these smaller companies just do not make as much as the Googles of the world in advertising and selling info, to offer free services. As you know, it may look free on our end but Google makes its up via ads and selling your info etc. I wish Nord had an email service like Proton as I would like to get all my services from one company. I might have to get VPN service from Nord and email from Proton? Thanks again for being honest.
Skiff is dead ,how about making a video about your thoughts ?
I was a paying skiff customer for 7 months ,now I have to move everything ...It came out of nowhere too
I think Skiff just got bought... What do you think? Did you see the message?
Yeah, it’s a huge bummer. Notion is shutting down all Skiff products around July or August. I made a pinned comment with an update. I ended up migrating my email to Proton.
i dont believe in their encryption. everything is more or less backdoored. i use skiff because im too lazy to run my own mail server, and skiff lets u use custom domains
That’s another great use case for it. I use it for my personal email and still run it on a domain. I wanted to get away from Gmail and invest in a solution that would allow me ultimate flexibility long term. By moving my email to a custom domain, I can switch hosts at any time and never have to change my email again.
Skiff is selling to Notion 😭 so sad
The free custom domains was really nice
@@z52ontop I was so shocked to see the news. Welp. This video didn't age well 🤣
@@Craylor not really :( are there any other email providers with free custom domain? It’s alright if you don’t know just wondering :)
i think skiff uses electronjs in the desktop app. that means it uses googles chromium. if someone is talking about privacy that's fanny
I think that’s true right now, but I know they are in the process of rewriting the apps natively. At least, that’s true for macOS.
Does anyone know any email alternative from companies that don't collaborate directly with Israeli security, or that pay taxes elsewhere? I'm trying to participate in BDS and this part is really hard, specially because I lack the technical knowledge to discern exactly how tech companies are involved. I don't mind if certain parts or protocols were developed there, as long as they don't get revenue or help with the cyberpunk-like suppression of liberty in the West Bank.
Is Tuta okay?
Tuta is a super woke German company. I just cancel and moved to skiff.
Tuta seems stale and behind the curve compared to the others. Enjoy Skiff!
I heard Skiff you could only send emails that are secure to other Skiff users is this correct?
I’m not sure what that means though. What do you mean by woke? They’re not good for some reason. If so, what reasons?
@@Nick-bo6rz Skiff supports PGP, so you can send encrypted mail to any PGP-enabled email (Proton Mail, StartMail, etc.). The encrypted subject lines are exclusive to Skiff users since that’s not part of normal PGP encryption.
they added pgp also which isn't easy to use, but all moot now. Gone in 6 months.@@Nick-bo6rz
tuta is trash and ugly + woke
skiff was my favorite bc of the simple perfection...
i dont trust proton either..
wtf is starmail, looks unfinished :D
.... i need options or i should gift all my information to gmail
What makes them “woke”?