EOS R5 | Image Editing From Start to Finish - Getting the BEST out of the RAW Files - Adobe Problem
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- NEW Canon R5 camera, but how can you get the best out of the RAW files? When I opened my EOS R5 Bird Photography RAW images in Photoshop, they looked nothing like on the back of the camera, so I needed to find a different solution to get great looking final images! I tried a few options and finally found a workflow that works for me. After I show you my new RAW workflow, I will show you how I edit my rosella image that I took in my last video.
What programs are you using to edit your images? Have you encountered a similar problem with the R5?
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This is the equipment I use:
Canon EOS R5
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Canon EOS 5D Mark IV
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Canon 600 L IS III (I have v. II)
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Canon EF 5.6/400 L
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Canon 1.4x TC III
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Canon 2x TC III
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Canon 600 EX - RT
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Wimberley Head II
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Gitzo 5543LS (new version of my tripod)
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Wimberley Flash Bracket
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Wimberley M-6 Extension Post
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Power Cord
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Y connector
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Canon 2.8/70-200 II
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Canon LP-E6N
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Manfrotto Mini Ballhead
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Programs I used in this video (non sponsored) this is just what I like using
FastStone Image Viewer
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Time Stamps:
0:00 Intro
0:35 Problems with R5 RAW Files
3:10 Close look at Images taken
4:40 Selecting Image to Edit
5:35 ACR/Lightroom Problems
9:34 The Solution
12:49 Finding your Way around DPP
15:51 RAW Conversion
18:30 Edit like a Pro!
18:55 The EDIT
32:59 Which Crop?
34:17 Final Thoughts
That’s what I was looking for, your detailed description is very clear. The only video on RUclips to explain how to edit Canon R5 photos. Thank You!
Awesome, thank you!
Excellent video, love the way you stick to the point. Thank you for sharing, I was never really a bird photographer but you have changed my mind, I came here to get information on the R5. Your images are stunning. And crop one definitely, I know you cut his tail off because you thought you were only doing a head shot but it doesn't seem to hurt the image.
OMG, I LOVE YOU!! You have saved my sanity. I have had my R5 for around 2 months and I thought I was going crazy, as I couldn't get the colours to look right. I tried calibrating my screen and applying presets to counter act the awful flat greyed out tones and nothing worked. You now have a very appreciative subscriber. Your photos are amazing. Thank you so much for making this content!
Glad I could help!
Thanks Jan. I continue to learn heaps from your videos. Your Master Class editing course was the best of the best and fully recommend it.
Great to hear! Thanks mate
Thanks for the tip about FastStone image viewer, this has definitely sped up my viewing and saving of images from a photo session.
awesome!
Your photos are incredible!! I love them so much! Your awesome Jan! I love your photos in the Birdlife Australia magazine. Great job!🦜
Thank you so much!
I'm amazed. Been using Adobe Camera Raw and Photoshop to process my photos for several years. Got my R5 a few months ago and didn't change my workflow, but noticed my RAW images seem darker and flatter than with my old 5DM4. I watched this video and then did my own comparison on a couple of images between ACR and DPP4. The difference is remarkable -- PP4 gives me a brighter image with better colors that more closely the R5 image I captured. Thanks so much. Updating my workflow -- now need to get familiar with DPP4
DPP is a pain, but the results will be significantly better!
Great info Jan. I have been using DPP4 for a couple of years now as I too found the conversion from Raw to JPG very flat using Photoshop. Glad to see I'm not the only one.
I used to use Canon DPP on all my bird images and like your workflow, then process them in in Lightroom and Photoshop. I had gotten away from doing that, but your video has convinced me to return to this process. Thanks for the reminder of what DPP can do.
It's a bit of a slower process, but at least with cameras newer than the 1dX III the better workflow
Option 1 def. Thank you for this video, learned so much. And definitely will look into ur masterclass soon, even if i dont do bird photography (yet), it will surely help for my macro ! Cheers!
Awesome, thank you!
Crop 1 is great!
been trying to get a shot of one of these guys for years, they are just so skittish!
Another great video too man as always, so thanks for the hard work
Thank you. Yes, they are not easy birds to get, considering they're pretty common
Great video Jan, and liked option 2.
Option 1. Love the detail in the detail in the feet and branch.
same :)
Great tutorial Jan, very clear description although I will have to watch it a few times to fully understand what you did on the various layers. For me Crop 1 is the best - I like the overall composition and subject placement on the perch. Cheers
Glad you enjoyed it!
Layers and layer masks is one of the key concepts to understand and master. Once you do, it opens up a whole new world!
That's what i talk about a lot in my Masterclass as well and give you an easy intro to understanding them
Brilliant video, very helpful and informative, many thanks for sharing, 🇬🇧
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome tutorial video Jan. And thank you.
You are so welcome!
This is a really useful video. My wife is getting me my R5 for Christmas (i feel like a little kid again, it can’t come around quick enough). So knowing that DPP provides a better raw file conversion is helpful.
Thanks David! That's exciting, now Christmas can't come soon enough!
This is very useful video. Thank you for sharing it. I never try to use the DPP to convert TIFF and open Lightroom.
Glad it was helpful!
Wow mate that was awesome, packed full of good info, I hope adobe sort out the profiles but happy you found a solution.
Thanks mate. Not getting my hopes up, the 1Dx III doesn't even have any
Hoi Jan bedankt voor de uitleg heel duidelijk foto één vind ik het beste 👍🏻👍🏻
Option 1. Thanks for letting us know about DPP for raw conversion.
You're welcome. Thank you!
thank you, Sir, brilliant as always!
Thank you very much!
Option One! Tnx for this video Jan!
My pleasure!
Thanks as always for the informative video. So far I've been using the dng converter to get lightroom to see them and using the sliders to bring out the colors but I definitely will try DPP. My only suggestion is if you have Photoshop 2020 or 2021, don't avoid Select Subject any longer. That and select and mask (if it's needed) is SOO much better then previous versions. I've used with tough backgrounds and been amazed how well it does.
Yes, the auto selections are working quite well these days.
What A beautiful Rossella you have coming to your yard , ( and it looks GREAT )
I love the videos you put out
keep up these GREAT VIDEOS .
Usually I convert the RAWs and then send the companies the converted Tif or Jpegs
Thank you for the reply there Jan . I would love to see some more of those Yard Birds . By the way Jan do you keep A list of your Yard Birds .
@@garymeredith2441 it's a very short list, less than 10 species unfortunately.
Hi Jan, another great video, thanks for the tip with DPP4, I have not been using it much since it is really slow with my R5 images, so I have been using camera raw. I dont have the colorful birds you have which makes a big difference in my editing, plus I have an editing for free posts (instagram) which is a bit more casual than my edit for print/sale. As to your question on crop I would initially say 1 but you dont have the full tail feathers in the shot which makes me lean towards crop 2 for those great head details. Thanks again for all the info
Glad you enjoyed the video. I am with you on the crops, there's something nice in either of them
You are very kind sharing this gold, thank you.
Update: I have just tried using DPP as raw editor on a Welsh Red Kite and I have to say much better results, using Canon R6.
Great!
My pleasure!
Option 1 Thanks for the info of Faststone and DPP.
You're welcome
Excellent video!
I would like to know if you have any video to get started on photoshop
Option 1. I love the detail in the feet.
great choice hehe
I really enjoyed seeing how you edit. I usually just do all my global and local edits in lightroom. As far as crop, in the wider one, I kind of don't like where the feathers are cut off but I like the feet. I think I might try going vertical and doing a 4x5.
Yes, that's could be another cool option! Thanks for the comment
Brilliant stuff Jan Thanks for sharing. First of all I was not aware of Fast Stone Viewer, I am using Breeze Browser Pro. Fast Stone is better and free. Great tip! Thank you. Regarding, DPP I often gave it a quick try but never liked it for all the reasons you mentioned in your video but hey , if Jan uses it in his workflow, I will give it another try. So I did and I totally agree, I love the work it does when applying profile and sharp/noise adjustments to my images. The colors are so much vibrant and clean right off the bat. But that is about where my happiness with the DPP stops... making any small changes to the exposure of the images or anything like this is as slow as molasse. DPP is so irresponsive it is impossible to see if the corrections you apply make any sense. Transferring only one file into Photoshop is so slow it takes several minutes ... like over 5 minutes. this is crazy... My computer has 32gb of ram and a fairly good Graphic Card (Quadro Pro 2000) and a decent processer Core i7-4820 K... I never struggle processing Canon R5 files in Lightroom or Photoshop but adding that tiny bit of DPP in the mix is a torture I can't sustain. What a shame, to see how much better your image could get but make the tool totally impractical ... Frustrating.... I searched the internet over the last couple of days as to how I can solve the DPP performance issue but I have not been able to find a suitable solution.... All I am interested in is the Colour Profile and perhaps the noise/sharpening functionality of DPP, so if you have heard of a solution or an alternative, please let me know. Thanks for sharing this as always watching your video is always time well spent!
I can't say I am a DPP fan, but it does the best job, so let's call it a necessary evil hehe.
Yes, I sometimes wonder if DPP froze crashed, because changes take SOOOOOOO long! Transferring the Tif takes maybe 30sec for me.
If I can I avoid DPP, but for some birds like this rosella I have to use it.
Getting my R5 delivered Tuesday, I can’t wait!!
awesome!
Hi, could you please make a detail tutorial regarding the usage of the various tabs (workflow) in respect to Canon DPP with special consideration to bird Photography.
Thank you.
@@abhishekbaruah2970 What I showed in this video is all I do 99% of the time in DPP, I like to keep the RAW conversion simple and make changes with Layers in Photoshop
Another great video Jan, I prefer the un-cropped version. Thanks
Cool, thanks
Thanks for the video. I just picked up the Color Fidelity profiles two days ago. Mine are version 4, but I see similar results to what you saw. Basically they are better than the Adobe profiles, but not as good as the Camera specific profiles that worked great with the 5d4. I'm torn between attempting my own profiles, using DPP or just finding another way. I also agree that I don't want to buy any new software.
Yes, it's kinda tricky atm.
Really informative video thank you. I am going to spend more time going through this and can see me going on to your Masterclass videos
With regards to the difficulties with colour in Adobe, the colour profiles for the R5, R6 and the 1DXIII for Adobe Camera Raw have still not been released. I guess that’s why you’re having more success with the colours using DPP4 instead of ACR. The only way around this is, as you say, to create your own profiles. I bought an X-Rite Colour Checker Passport on eBay and using X-Rites software produced my own, it was actually very simple to do. Once again thank you for the video on this and also on the settings for the R5 for bird photography.
How does creating your own profile affect the noise levels and sharpness. Both seem to be worse in ACR as well.
Lens CA correction profiles are best in DPP.
Great video. Fantastic editing and Photoshop skills. I prefer the bird with its feet showing.
Thank you very much!
Great demo. I do like the original crop instead of chopped in half bird!
Glad you like it!
I only shoot in Jpeg editing looks really complicated but it’s amazing how you can improve your images I will definitely watch your masterclass video Jan
Great :)
Thank you Jan I like option 1 brill video once again Jan.
Thank you :)
Thanks,good info!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you so much!
You're welcome
I’ll definitely try dpp never thought of it before
Great
Excellent video
Thank you!
Quick tip! 👍 for cleaning up the selection after using the magic wand.
Use quick mask mode. Tap Q to enter quick mask mode, invert your selection, and use a large feathered brush or eraser, depending on how you like to work your selection!
Cool, thanks!
Well done! I like the lesser crop better!
Cool, thanks!
I like the option 2 best 😊
Good choice!
Thanks to you and fellow Aussie photographer Duane for sharing your knowledge and the beautiful birds of Australia! One observation in that you noted shooting the RAW images in 12-bit vs 14-bit but then proceeded to process them in ACR as 8-bit (minute 8 thru 9 , as example)...on purpose or an oversight? Regards and thank you!
My mistake! I updated ACR just before that video and missed to change it. I always do it in 16 bit!
Just saw another video about LR Calibration. Suggest you experiment in the calibration section by increasing the Blue saturation to 100% and save as preset along with other settings such as lens & chromatic aberration turned on and use this preset on import. Interestingly it makes the red & yellows pop subtlly... and if the blue does go overboard then in the HSL section pull the blue saturation back a bit (often needed on a blue cloudless sky). I've been experimenting and this technique seems to get the colors to pop, and my experience is rarely to I have to dial back the blue calibration.
Thanks for the info
Such a pretty bird! I'd go for option one. Two loses too much awesome colour.
that's how I feel as well and I think that's why I was drawn to option 1
Very nice detailed video. Like number 1 crop best
Thanks a lot
Nice video Jan, very interesting to see your workflow, I hope Adobe will include the R5's camera profiles
I always use ACR and Photoshop to edit my photo's, I like working with layers
For me I guess option 1, the full image I like the most, it's nicely framed with the wings and tail coming out from the corner
Question though, do you notice a big difference in the 12bit against the 14 bit images out of the R5 ?
This rosella was shot in 12bit and it was fine to edit. But I would suspect 14 bit would've helped to give me a bit more detail in the red possibly.
Thanks for a great video that describes things in great details. The end result is just awesone.
I would prefer option 1, the subtly of the background makes the birds looks more vivid.
BTW, I cannot find the link you described in the video for those free tools, where can I find them?
if you scroll down below the amazon links in the description you can find the free links.
Hi Jan, I like option 2 on the Rosella
:)
Cheers mate for the excellent video. Couple years ago I used Topaz Remask to do the masking of feathers or hair and it did a great job - in no time. Have you had a chance to use that?
Otherwise: your eye for colors and colordetail is amazing and very (very very) hard to learn. This is one of those non-pure technical things one earned over the years of practice or simply has it by talent - or doesnt. You do, which is one of the key features of your stunning work. All the best and: bleib gesund 👍
Thank you! I have played around with different automatic options, that didn't work too well, when things got tricky. In this image they would've worked quite well probably
Thanks for another great video. Jan what is your opinion of cutting off the ends of wings and tails in shots as in option 1?
I don't like it, yet in this one I didn't mind it somehow. It put the focus right in the most interesting parts. The problem with all long-tailed birds is that once you include the tail, it can often throw the composition and make the actual bird quite small in the frame
I prefer crop #2. With the first one, the clipped wing and tail feathers make it look like the composition was missed rather than purposefully done.
Yes, goof point. I thought that, too. Yet somehow liked it as well, haha
Thanks for this great video! What hardware do you recommend to speed up DPP editing functions?
There doesn;t seem to be many ways to make it work much faster, even on very powerful computers
Also, I prefer the wider crop, though I love both!
Thanks Kim, I thought both looked nice, too
Thanks for this great video! Really enjoyed it. I choose the none cropped version.
Do you think adobe will add a good profile for R5 raw? In other words do we just wait or will we just have to get used to using another program?
Thanks!
Well, they have not added one for the EOS R or 1Dx III and those have been out for a long time. I wonder what's up with Adobe essentially not properly supporting Canon anymore.
Hey Jan, Great video, brillant! I have a question about subtracting a mask in Lightroom Classic. When I use the brush tool I sometimes accidentally remove areas (edges) I which to stay masked on the bird. Is there a setting that allows the removal of parts of the mask while protecting the areas you which to remain masked?
Great video, Jan! I find that I need to crop most images and usually I want the bird in the center, at least to start. Is there a way to auto detect the subject and crop in a batch even though the bird sequence is not always centered in the original frames (because the bird was flying or I panned the camera to little or too much)? I'm hoping that because that PS and LR Classic can auto-detect the subject for masking that they can do the same for mutli-image cropping at some point. This would be a huge time saver. Your thoughts? Cheers!
I don't think there is
thanks for the tip of the stone image viewer, is so fast :-)
Glad it was helpful!
Great content as always thank you! Is this also applicable to the R6?
Yes, it is!
One way is to use DPP 4 to apply corrections for aberration, distortion, saturation etc. Then export it as a 16 bit TIFF to process it further in Adobe.
DPP brings out full colours of a canon raw file.
That's what I am doing at the moment and in this vid :)
@@jan_wegener I did not watch the entire episode in one go, responded only to the first part of the problem.
@@nsbhagwat Yes, great we thought about working it the same way
@@nsbhagwat then that is the problem isn't it
Question for you! can you still use cameraa raw filter without effecting the exported color out of DPP?
Thanks, Jan. I've become a big fan of your channel and your Master class is just too good. I found this video particularly useful as much like a lot of folks here, I too found Lightroom's rendering of R5 raw files rather too underwhelming. It almost kills my excitement coming back from my photoshoots when I see dull images popping up on LR. Are you still using DPP for your initial raw conversion or have you found another way around? Curious to hear any updates on this issue. Cheers!
PS: Your recommended FastStone viewer is just awesome - a real-time saver.
Great to hear you are enjoying my videos and classes.
Atm I am using Pure RAW and a Colo Fidelity Custom Profile in ACR, which gives me acceptable results. Only for very colourful birds like rosellas I am still using DPP. But I prefer not to use it. Will talk about my workflow again, soon
Thanks Jan! I'll look forward to your next video on workflow options
I've setup my R5 pretty much exactly as one of your videos (thank you !!!)...and for this past year have been using the Canon DPP4 as my sole post processing software (hearing comments on the web that it handles the canon raw file initially best, and was free). But, as you know I cannot remove an aberrant branch or do layers, and there is not allot of quality instruction for the program so I've had to guess and try things. Now I want to take it to the next level, but confused lightroom versus photoshop. Tons of people rave about lightroom, and on the backcountry gallery site there is a full video course on setup and use of lightroom. Then you offer a master class on photoshop. I don't want to waste time going down a wrong path given that the learning curve to learn lightroom or photoshop looks daunting, even before I start...so kinda stuck at the moment.
Photoshop is the ultimate tool.There's no way around it, LR is nice if you want to catalogue all your images and do more general editing, but removing things like a branch etc is a million times better in Photoshop. If you want to do it right, I would recommend using Photoshop for editing. You can still use LR for RAW conversion if you want, but overall PS is the much better tool once you warp your heard around it.
And that's what I teach in my masterclass, how to set it up and get the job done :)
@@jan_wegener I purchased your master class and downloaded the mp4...but im on Macbook pro and the file won't open...any suggestions ? Apps Store not helpful.
@@marklangner6200 Did the whole file download? Maybe it interrupted before it was finished. I just downloaded it and QuickTime players plays it without issues
@@jan_wegener I finally figured out I had a cable issue....course downloaded and I can view it now. Thank you.
Hi Jan, a very interesting video, as always. Is it the same problem with the R6 ? I have not yet purchased one of this amazing stuff. By the way, I've always used dpp then Photoshop and eventually Nic collection when editing my pictures, made with 5dMkiii or 7dMkii.
Yes, R5/6 are the same in that regard. You can play around with the profiles in ACR, but overall DPP is best still. It's a great program, just painfully slow
Thanks for another great video Jan! The video is now more than 6 monhts old. Have Adobe solved the problem regarding the poor profile? Would the use of presets for LR Classic users solve the problem?
Thanks,
they have not. ATM I am using Pure RAW to remove the noise and I am working on making my own profiles with Glenn to get the best colours. For now we have been using Adobe colour or a colour fidelity paid profile. Still a bit of a work in progress
Loved your video, Jan. I am new on your channel, excuse for possible st**** questions, but did you try third party plugins for Camera RAW? Cheers, mate!
I have tried a few presets from other people and they don't do much better than Adobe. The best by far I have tried is DPP
A great video Jan, very helpful, thanks!!! I have found the same as yourself....As well as the adobe profiles, the colorfidelity 3rd party profiles are also disappointing...making some colors fake/ over the top.....I don't particularly like the way DPP functions in many ways...but as you say, it is the only current option. There are some things these companies need to do...Firstly canon could really make DPP much better to use without much investment, and secondly adobe and canon need to sort out this native profile issue. I spoke to an adobe online representative and to be honest they were rude and unhelpful... They need to make a statement as to why they have not released profiles for any of the latest Canon cameras. Even the R which has been out for over a year, does not have native profiles in Adobe, making lightroom, which i have to pay for as part of the adobe package with photoshop, unusable. If i could actually get through to someone in adobe with any clout, which i can not, i would certainly be asking them how they think this is an acceptable situation.
Hi mate!
Yes, I totally agree with you. All DPP needs it's a better UI. Where you can click and slide in real time. I have a pretty powerful computer and everything lags.
Yes, EOS R and 1Dx III still don't have camera specific profile. I agree that they should make a statement why they have basically withdrawn support.
@@jan_wegener Exactly...great video by the way Jan...many thanks, very helpful!!
@@ivorottleyphotography4024 thank you!
19:08 Don't forget that, in the recent Photoshop update, there's a new Object Selection tool, which can do a better job than the Magic Wand tool.
Yes, I have tried it, it's pretty good at times. Thanks for the reminder
Thanks Jan. again a brillant video, but can you tell me why is that Canon does not make camera profiles for Adobe software so that Canon cameras look there best in the most used software?
Only Canon and Adobe know
Very interesting. I have had an R5 for 2 weeks and set it up using your video on a friend's recommendation. I followed a few more of the videos but this is the one I found answered a key question for me - I had exposure simulation activated but when I imported into LR Classic the files looked dull and underexposed by 1/3-2/3 stop. Part of this was recovered by clicking profile corrections but not fully. I typically only use LR as I find DPP too clunky and PS too intimidating (it's an age thing). But I processed a file in DPP that I had already done in LR - the colours were better and it also looked warmer in DPP. Clearly the algorithms are very different. Now I am in a quandry. Do I persevere with the DPP I loathe and relearn PS or just carry on with LR. I am a hobby photographer - sold all my big (800/500) primes when I turned 60 and now just manage with my 100-400mkII. Decisions decisions. Excellent tutorials, Jan. Thanks for sharing. If I go down the DPP/PS route I will buy the premium video.
Thank you!
I am in the same boat. I don't like DPP, but it gives me better results, so I might have to use it.
Until there is a better profile for R5/R6 for Lightroom I think it’s best to do what Jan is doing here-using DPP to process RAW files with canon colors and then exporting tiff for final editing process. You simply can’t get the same results out of Lightroom or any Adobe product because Canon owns the entire pipeline so their program does a better job even if it’s crap to use. Shame.
Thanks for this video. I was already considering to use Dpp as raw converter. Now i am convinced !
I saw that changing the work color space from sRGB to adobe RGB in the image settings tab has a dramatic effect.
Would it be wise to use that before moving to Photoshop or Lightroom ?
Regards, Hans
I usually have everything in AdobeRGB
@@jan_wegener
Also in the camera?
Or is that irrelevant when shooting raw?
@@jhmnieuwenhuis I do, but it doesn't really matter. You can still switch it
Option !
Num 1 for sure
yep!
I really found this video very helpful and informative. After shooing RAW with a 5D Mark II for the last dozen years and editing in Lightroom Classic & Photoshop -- (much to my dismay) after purchasing the R5 I have been very disappointed with the difficulties I've encountered trying to get my images to pop in LR and PS. So much so that I thought there must be something wrong with my new camera. After researching on line, I quickly discovered that I was far from alone... and that led me to coming across your video and some questions the it brings to mind.
I understand that the way LR deals with files and any editing done therein is nondestructive, but what I don't know is this. By copying the files to the SSD as I import them via LR, am I inadvertently letting LR alter these CR3 files in any way, or are they still pristine Canon CR3 files that I could now import into Canon's DPP program (as you've suggested) and still realize the full potential of the files created by the R5?
Another question came to mind as I watched your video. You may have noted, that I mentioned RAW & C-RAW files, that is because another bird photographer whose images and expertise I admire, said he could see no difference between the two file formats other than the file sizes they create. (No doubt the "C" stands for compressed and compression is more often than not associated with degrading the quality of an image) but at this point I must admit, his experience has been my own as well. Do you have any experience with C-RAW files and whether or not they truly are lossless when it comes to editing your images and the final results they yield?
I appreciate your time, help and expertise as well as the superb images you capture and create.
AFAIK LR does not touch the actual cr3 files. It just creates a different file that saves your edits.
Raw & CRAW are very similar, but I still mostly shoot full RAW just in case.
@@jan_wegener Thanks for the input.
Hi Jan, great video. I have used LR/PS for a while and am pretty much used to using it, however the lack of support for the R5 is a concern. Being a colourblind photographer I need as much help as possible in colours being accurate. Would you suggest another program that may work better? It seems Capture One is highly rated for its RAW conversion, what are your thoughts/experience?
I have been using Dpp for the best colours, but some people also suggest C1, but I haven't tried it in a long time
@@jan_wegener Thanks Jan, explained that a bit wrong, I will try DPP, but will see if I can get a demo of C1 as looking to keep it in one software. Mainly only use LR, PS rarely.
Hi Jan, when you cull images using the FastStone Image Viewer, do you download all images to your computer and then cull or do you cull directly on the card with the card in a card reader?? Thanks
I never do anything on the card. Too dangerous. I download everything and then delete. So I can never accidentally delete the wrong thing cause it's still on the card, too
Option 1.
Hi again Jan.
I watched and used this video to get around editing R5 RAWs. Thank you. Great for me as a stills photographer with a new Canon R5.
Now I am beginning (as a total beginner) to look at proessing some small videos of bird-behaviour. I have used 4k w. 25 and 50 frames.
But have no clue on where to start looking for an effektive workflow.
I own the Adobe Premiere Elements 14, that I have used a bit in the past. Also I can display my files in DPP - but nothing more.
You seem to use a lot of small video-clips in a very snappy way as part of your great instructions (I am aware that it may take quite some effort, though).
How do you do it? Any recommendations?
Any videos from on making basic video from R5?
best regards
Peder in Denmark
Glad I could help with the editing part!
Video editing is one of those things that takes a lot of time even when you are a pro.
I am using Davinci Resolve Studio, but there's also a free version that works amazingly well.
Usually I just film when I am in the field and get as much footage as I can. So when I edit my video, I can go to my archive and find clips that match what I am talking about.
Most bird clips I do are relatively short, mainly because the birds don't stay very long!
What kind of video would you like to put togteher?
@@jan_wegener Hi Jan. Thank you for taking your time on this basic video-question.
I have now read about DaVinci Resolve SW and installed the free version to take the next steps from there. Seems like a good starting point.
My goal is to start building a portfolio of small video-clips for my own (and photo-friend's) pleasure. Initially this will be a small add-on to my bird stills portfolio.
Will be short clips captured while out there to take stills.
Do not intend to make any advanced editing - apart from cutting the best parts and putting them together.
best regards - and thank you again
Peder
Your findings are what I was afraid of.. The colors, detail, and noise levels are the best from what I found too, using R6 & R5 bodies. Yesterday, I unpacked my new 16" M1 Max Macbook Pro, with 32 gigs of unified memory, with 38 seconds for a DPP raw to jpg conversion. I'm usen using a 1TB SSD Sandisk external HD for processing, so... there shouldn't be anything taking the speed down. My 2017 intel iMac on the other hand, took 1 full minute for a DPP Raw to JPG... I soooooooo damn wish Canon would up the processing speed... seriously, this is 2023, not 1994..!!
I am using my own profiles now, called Prosets and DXO Pure RAW for Noise reduction. That in return allows me to use ACR and not DPP anymore.
DPP over time just becomes too annoying to use
Hi Jan, I am thinking about buying the R6. Have you tried out the camera? It has a different sensor. I was wondering if it also had the same issue of image too dull and you have to use DPP before going to LR or PS.
I haven't used it, but the files will be the same.
Great video Jan.
In DxO Pure Raw the DNG file created is massive- The original Canon R5 CR file is 30-40 MB yet once processed in photoshop I get a jpg of 5 mb? Is there a setting I am missing?
it does t'sown thing, so the file is bigger. Since I am using it as my base layer in Photoshop for editing, I just delete the DNG file once I have saved my file with layers as a psd
Please have a look at the bottom infos of your RAW-converter: 8 bit. Just click there and change!
Yes, I upgraded the converter just before filming and didn't notice it changed back! I have changed it right after. Great catch!
I have the R6. I am assuming the color issues apply to it too? Do you know if there is a free software for Mac that is similar to Faststone? Thank you again!
Yes, the same would apply, bascially to most .cr3 Canon files
Hi Jan, thank you this very informative video!
What processor/memory do you use when running DPP on your PC?
I need to upgrade my PC; converting a (R5 raw) file from DPP to Photoshop takes 1m40s..
In this video I was using an i7 9700K & 32GB RAM. Now I am running an i9 11900k & 64GB. Still takes a little bit, but fairly fast with that. I don't think DPP takes full advantage of the resources at all, so it will always take a little while.
@@jan_wegener Thanks!
Jan, do you have any videos on your computer setup and backup equipment. I believe you are a windows user? I'm a MAC person so any suggestions on a good NAS would be appreciated.
There are a few
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Hey Jan, are you still using the Canon editor? Have you found a workaround for Lr? I want to continue to edit color in Lr, just don't have the profiles that are up to my standard. Every time I use Color Fidelity profiles (which version 5 are fantastic in Lr) they seem to not be consistent when I send them to Ps.
I am still using DPP, LR and PS and all profiles I tried have been much worse than what DPP can do
Hi - great tutorial. I prefer the whole bird, not the crop. But have you tried the most recent profiles in ACR/LR for the R5?
Also do you use DXO Photolab? I find the DXO colours better than Adobe, and there are many more options.
But I guess the profiles in DPP will be the most authentic, as Canon developed them, rather than having to be reverse engineered by a 3rd party.
Yes they're definitely better. I am using my own PROSETS now, which have helped me get the colours right and a great starting pint as well.
I am using DXO pure raw for noise reduction
Takk!
Thank you!
Hi Jan. I noticed that you use a PC based system instead of Mac. Could you please give advise about the best set up computer for photo and video editing? Or maybe you would like to make a video about this subject.
Hey,
I have done a bird photography show episode about that topic a while back.
I still have that computer, but I am mainly using an M1Max MacBook Pro these days
I’ve been using the DPP for years due to necessity (it’s free :-)) so nothing new there for me. These days I have access to Lr and Ps but I think for some things the DPP results are of higher fidelity. At any rate Tnx for sharing your workflow. I prefer the uncropped image but I would have liked even more of the bird I.e. the tail/wing in full and possibly some space around them too. I suspect if you were intending on a portrait these were not important but then you decided to go wider :-)) maybe there is a silver linings not having a very long lens :-)) carry on the good work.
Glad you enjoyed it. DPP seems to be able to get the most out of the files, which makes sense, since it's a Canon software.
I have plenty of full body rosella shots, so the challenge was a portrait this time around.
@@jan_wegener Sure, you know better your collection :-)
Hi Jan, Great workflow here. It is now about 11 months down the track and I was wondering if this is still your goto for editing Canon R5 RAW files? Thanks, Scott :)
Currently I am using DXO Pure RAW for noise and have made some of my own profiles in Camera RAW that are a bit better colour wise.
DPP is still very good, too, but so slow
@@jan_wegener Thank you Jan :D
Thanks for the video Jan. Is there any video of yours explaining calibration of the monitor and what is exactly to be done to get prints that match what I see in my monitor. This part is failing me big time 🙃
My monitor does it by itself, so I never really had to deal with it. Just set it up and ready to go :) I have found a printing company that matches the images I send quite well. I don't have a printer at home.
@@jan_wegener Thanks for the reply. May I know the specs of the monitor you use?
@@sriramachandran EIZO CG277
@@jan_wegener thank you 🙏
@@jan_wegener With your blessings.. I just ordered a Used Eizo CG277 from Adorama.. will pick your brain if I am stuck :)
Hey Jan, do you know whether FastStone Image Viewer comes for MAC OS?
I don't think it does actually
My understanding from some more recent videos is that now, for the R5, you are using DxO Pure Raw instead of DPP for RAW image processing, is that right?
I use Pure RAW for noise reduction and Camera RAW with my own profiles for Raw conversion
Dpp still does a good job, just slow
Helpful video. You referred to a video on shooting in the backyard during lockdown. Could you provide the name of that video, please? Thank you for the Nik reference.
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:)
Thank you Jan