This video is a proper "User's Manual for Videography" that Canon should've made at launch. A way to take the maximum out of your equipment for the longest duration. I think this video can help people using the R5 for video to at least make it to lunch, before they let the camera rest for 30-60 mins - and then finish the day off with minimal interruptions. Great job!
@@learningcameras You need to keep doing your detailed "Config Analysis" my friend - haven't seen it anywhere else yet... I do hope Canon takes a notice of this video! Good luck and keep at it!
Very helpful. I shot with my R5 yesterday and was confounded trying to get into 4K 120p (turns out I just had to "enable" high frame rate)... being confounded doesn't go over well when you're running a set. I'm definitely going to use those custom presets. On a good note, the 4K HQ is incredible. I did notice that it is H.264 though and not H.265 and it played fine on my MacBook 16". I recall several vids saying it was H.265 4:2:2 and difficult to play back, so that had me a little confused. But it looked great.
Awesome! So the camera automatically shifts to h.265 422 10bit ONLY when using Slog. I touched on the fact that 10bit is only when shooting log at the end of this video but didn't mention that it also automatically shifts it from h.264 to h.265
The camera also records 10-bit h.265 if you enable PQ mode, though you only really get about 9.5 bits used. The camera only outputs up to level 640 instead of going all the way up to 1024, for some reason. But CLog3 is better anyway.
Another great video Dan. So glad you mentioned APS-C modes. They are really good. I wish that camera had another 2-3 custom modes to save to with all these options.
This video is so useful even tho I don’t own an R5 but I don’t think anyone else have a detail and to the point video out on RUclips like you do unless the video is like 20min long lol
Really true... Planning on getting an R5 - THIS is the "User's Manual" Canon should've made at launch! Really MAXIMIZES the operating envelope and capability of the camera to the fullest beyond where people are just sticking to the over-heating issues.. WOW!!
BE CAREFUL, pretty much ALL settings (like WB, ISO, IBIS, etc.) are stored and changed when you switch custom shooting modes. So in plenty of cases, it's easier to just change the recording format. I think that tip needs this disclaimer, or else it can cause people trouble. peace
Preparing for a shoot with the R5, this video is worth gold! So much info, very well done. I had to scroll back a few times to get it all. Brilliant! Best regards
Thanks for the review. One remark that I would like to make, lenses will work differently with each camera. My EF 17 mm TS-E worked great with my 5D MK II, was a tick off with my 5D MK III and would be great again with the 5D MK IV. As far as I know it has to do with micro-differences in regard to the distance from glass level to the sensor. So even with the same lens on two cameras you may get different results.
Awesome video, thanks Dan! A few tips I've learned--- there is a way to dual record video while doing 8K. You can set the camera to record a 4K MP4 to the SD card slot at the same time-- essentially a proxy-- great for editing and the quality is surprisingly good. Also, Canon offers Picture Style Editor on their website for free. It lets you alter the in-camera profiles like 'Standard' and improve the dynamic range. I was able to lift the shadows with a S-Curve edit which recovered a surprising amount of detail. Nice for quick, no-grading, out-of-camera results. I was curious about your 8K RAW + Clog comment. You got better dynamic range than just RAW alone? I thought RAW was the highest setting and Clog was derived from it. Sounds like Clog adds another couple of stops on top of RAW?
When shoot in RAW you have a choice to interpret it as Clog, Clog 2, or Clog 3. The choice is yours. Clog 2 offers the most dynamic range from shadows to highlights. The Dynamic range in RAW is very respectable for a mirrorless camera from Canon. I would say overall, dynamic range in clog is the big problem with this camera, around 11.7 stops. The 14-bit RAW photos are amazing and have a huge amount of latitude, especially in the shadows when you underexpose and then bring up in post: easily 2-3 stops recoverable from shadows. Video is the other way around in 8K RAW. Really hoping that add Clog3 or Clog2 in a firmware update to keep it competitve against sony and Panasonic.
Nice tips Dan. These days I’m seeing V90 cards as anything but cheap. Even Angelbird’s V90’s are priced higher per GB than their CF-B cards. Maddening!
Good point on shut down camera. I never ever used the on/off switch as much as I do for the R5 and R6! 😀 On top; with that horrible battery life; switching off helps on that direction too! But the way I shoot my landscape videos where I have bits and pieces on the trail; never had overheating issue.
Pretty sure that shooting video in HDR-PQ forces the camera to shoot in 10-but as well... Plenty of reasons why someone would choose C-Log vs the HDR-PQ curve but just FYI that it's 10-bit as well.
Thx Dan! Great tips. Can't wait to get my grubby little hands on this thing in a week or so. Unfortunately the lens I bought with it from Bnb (28-70) is on back order :(
Thank you!! 🙏 still waiting for mine to arrive, but this was the most helpful set of tips. I’d not have realized the crop would be better than LQ 4K...
If you find the menu of the R5 difficult and not easy to set, than you should really try a Sony camera my first months with my Sony cam's I couldn't get used to it, so difficult and completely not logical at all But after a while I got used to it, so like everything you have to spend a lot of time with it to learn how it works
Can someone with an r5 upload in 8K to youtube so I can actually see something on my Sony Z9G 8k TV? :). Out of 200 videos on this camera they are all in 4k only.
So helpful Dan. I think this video has convinced me to move from MFT to FF with the R5. I shoot a lot of video and was very concerned with the timers. I take it the 4K crop mode does not overheat? I was amazed that the crop mode oversampled and looked so much better. I know its compromises we don’t like but with this setup I think I could shoot almost anything with just a bit more fiddling with recording modes and perhaps always making sure I have a wider angle lens in my bag to soak up the 1.5 crop.
Nice!!! Yep, the 4k crop mode doesn't overheat and the quality is great. It's an awesome alternative for longer shoots where you can't use the HQ 4k Full frame mode since that will overheat
Very useful tips !! Thanks !! I am just wondering ....as you mentioned the 4k cropped mode having a better quality that part...and i mark It down as well...as i wanna test that out as well...thank you very much😃😃
Awesome! So yes, the 4k crop mode does have more detail than the standard mode and also doesn't overheat but low light is still usually better in the full frame mode so keep that in mind
@@learningcameras thank you for reminding us💪🏾and i checked that as well..actually, it mentioned in the website and manual as well!! Thank you for reminding us🙌🏽
Wow, this was incredibly useful to me! Thanks for mentioning that info about 4k APSC crop mode, as that is the mode I plan to use for nature work where I need the reach. All of the other info is really useful for getting real work done. Again, thanks and well done. I hope the wife lets you get that C70...just tell her about what kind of helpful videos you can make that have real impact (rather than taking useless jabs at the camera).
This sounds like a good video lol. I love the new RF 35mm F1.8 IS because stabilization is killer when combined with IBIS, the R5 actually works great in APSC mode so basically it's a 35 and a 50, and it's cheap as hell with great quality: bhpho.to/2Isswuh Otherwise I use a 24-70 F2.8 (24-105 F4 would be the cheap option) and the 35 F1.8 for most getting ready & receptions, the 70-200 if I need a long reach for ceremonies (but a 24-105 in APSC mode works alright), and occasionally a wide angle for venue shots and a few fun action dance shots at the reception!
@@learningcameras Of course I shoot RAW to bring all the data as much as I can.. Canon is notorious for DR. I have placed a pre-order, but still haven't got it yet.. Hopefully at the end of Oct as they say.. Thank you for response..
Hey Dan! All very helpful video info. I see you start this video with what appears to be a nicely balanced 24-70L on the R5. I've been trying to get this same setiup to balance on my Ronin RS3. Any tips? It is just so front heavy with that lens.
Really good video, thank you. Have you ever stress tested the APS-C mode with regards to overheating? Is it as robust as the 4K LQ mode (which doesn't overheat even in the Texas sun)?
So I've never overheated 4k apsc and I've run almost 2 hours straight with it so it seems to not overheat at all. Canon specs also say it doesn't overheat. The quality is great though it is more sensitive to high iso
Dan Watson thank you, extremely helpful info. I think a lot of people demand too much, the R5 is like having a 45mpx really good stills camera with a c200 that reliably records over sampled 4K with dpaf and ibis.
@@simonyoung1339 yeah, I think Canon shot themselves in the foot because they really pushed the video capabilities more than stills in the announcements and then all the timers made it feel intentionally limited instead of technologically limited
Yep, the R6 is also only a 10bit camera in clog. Not sure why Canon doesn't allow a separate option...I notice they do with the C70 so maybe they are keepin g it for the higher end cameras
Xcellent. I’m having occasional focusing at infinity problems with R5 and my “holiday lens” RF 24 240. Stills is fine! It’s erratic....any ideas....tried 8k and HD both same....
@@learningcameras I think you are right. Not too many video options there. Although I would like to see what is the best possible result with the R6 you can get. I would be interested in color temperature issues some people have reported.
Very very useful... You nailed it 👌🏽just a quick question is 4kcrop better than the 4kHQ ? Thank you for help... also do you have any link clog lut ? Please 🙏
Hi Dan. Great video. With all the firmware updates since you made this video have you changed your opinion about using cropped 4K rather than LQ 4k or is it still the same? Cheers
Hey! So I find I can use the HQ 4k longer without actually overheating which is good. But I still maintain that cropped 4k is still more detailed because of the oversampling than 4k LQ full frame so I'd only use LQ if you need to use wide angle lenses or have to shoot in low light
I don't want to do anything to damage the camera, but I think I heard you can cool the camera down fairly quickly by sticking in a an ice chest between shots. Has anyone tried this? Good idea? Bad idea? Maybe not a freezing ice chest, just something around 40 degrees.
So it really is WAY less effective than you would think. This camera is very timer based so even using it in freezing weather you still can't record much more than in the heat. When it first came out, putting it in the freezer did pretty much nothing although some firmware upgrades have improved things a bit
Thanks for this guide. What is the HDMI output to external recorder when the camera is set to internal recording of 8K raw? I plan to use this web streaming or connected Atomos Shogun in a rig.
I don’t understand the crop mode vs HQ 4K, could you explain this a bit more? Are you talking about the movie cropping mode enable? If so, doesn’t the cropping mode in 4K disable the HQ mode?
So the HQ mode just gives you "oversampled" video and the only reason they have it in the full frame mode is that there is also a "non oversampled" mode. In APSC everything is oversampled so basically it's ONLY HQ. The downside is there is a 1.5x crop so technically not full frame but it doesn't overheat and is oversampled where as the HQ mode in full frame overheats quickly
Is the quality of 4k60 cropped to 4k30 cropped? 10:40 - Why do you suggest using full frame mode for low light? Wouldnt it be better to use full frame HQ?
So I was saying it's better to use full frame LQ in low light instead of the crop mode if you need modes that don't overheat. Absolutely use the HQ version whenever possible for the best quality but it will overheat pretty fast. However at low iso, 4k crop is better quality than 4k LQ and neither overheat
Hi Dan, I wanted to ask you for information and share a problem I'm having with my R5. I state that I have already heard canon assistance. I was wondering if by chance you had also encountered this problem on your R5 and if you have found a solution to avoid it. Practically when I film in CLOG and especially in CLOG 3, horizontal stripes appear as image noise in the dark parts of my shots. First of all I went to see the instruction manual and it says that this can occur in particular conditions and advises to take test shots and possibly change the lighting conditions inside my location. Obviously this is not always possible. This is definitely frustrating. Below you will find what the manual says under the heading "Canon Log Image Quality". If this has happened to you before, do you have any advice for me? I would be grateful. (Canon Log Image Quality With Canon Log, movies may be affected by horizontal banding, depending on the subject or shooting conditions. Record a few test movies and check the results in advance. In particular, noise may become more noticeable if you enhance the contrast when color-grading your movies. With Canon Log, skies, white walls, and similar subjects may be affected by noise or uneven gradation, exposure, or colors. Horizontal banding is more likely to occur when recording somewhat dark, flat subjects. This image noise may even occur at relatively low ISO speeds around ISO 400 for Canon Log or ISO 800 for Canon Log 3. If noise is noticeable, try recording under brighter conditions and adjusting brightness in color grading. Noise can also be reduced by recording at ISO speeds lower than ISO 400 for Canon Log or ISO 800 for Canon Log 3, although dynamic range is narrower.)
Question, although a little off topic. Can the new computers (Macbooks & New Dells) allow you to edit the 8K footage. It seems everyone was talking about it and then it stopped. Would love to hear back from you. Great video BTW. I'm still using 1080 on my R5 and would love to switch
I don't use 8k often but 4k has definitely improved. 422 10bit h.265 was almost impossible to edit but the M1/M2 and the latest gen intel can pull it off. It's still not completely fluid but 10x better than before. I'd imagine 8k has also improved but it was pretty much impossible to play back before lol
Do you have any idea why my iPad will not accept any all-i footage, clog footage, or 8k? Only 4k IPB will work, and I can’t find anyone who has brought up the same issue. I have the new m1 iPad 12.9” 2021 5th Gen. It is driving me absolutely nuts.
Can you provide a link to Canon's website, which is luts what can be applied to the material recorded in C-log in R5 and R6? Somehow I can't find it ...
Yep, I noticed that. Also, if you have some kind of 4k60 or higher set to C3, you will also see the overheating clock when in stills mode so you can see that even if you are just shooting stills, the ability to record video goes down quickly
Please guide..How to shoot 10 bit 4:2: 2 video footage on Canon R5? does it shoot 10 bit 4:2: 2 only in C-Log? DO it has to be ALL-I or IPB to get 10 bit 4:2: 2?
You have to shoot C-Log or HLG to force the camera in 10bit 422. There is no other way. You can however shoot both All-I or IPB I believe to get 10bit...the only thing that changes is the bitrate but even Canon's IPB bitrate is high. In 4k120, you can ONLY shoot ALL-I
I personally do ALL grading myself because I don't feel like I trust most LUTs but I'm still looking for a faster way to work with the 8k RAW with a good LUT. I want to make sure the LUT isn't just recrushing all the shadows and limiting all the DR I worked so hard to record lol
great Video. What is in your opinion the highest possible Qualitiy mode, wich does not run into overheating (under normal surrounding temperatur eg. 20Celsius)
The highest quality video mode that doesn't overheat is 4k24 with an APSC crop. This mode looks great and doesn't overheat. If you are above 1600 ISO though, go with the full frame 4k24 in LQ to not overheat which even though it has less detail than the crop mode, it also has less grain.
Hi iam from India last week bought canon R5 now iam facing a issue that heating problem on 1080p 120 frame rate is that any solution to solve this issue. now I use tough sd card 300fes
Hi! I’ve been attempting to set up my custom shooting modes for video, and they all say “C1 P”. I noticed your options say “C1 M” which is what I need to have control my shutter speed, aperture, etc... Please help!
Dan, I am a huge fan of your videos. Thanks for the detailed run down. I got my Sony A7s III last week, and will get my Canon R5 tomorrow. I shot with the A7s III all weekend, doing four different video shoots. I was blown away by the color and dynamic range. Frankly up until now, I never trusted any of my prosumer cameras to be give colors anywhere near as pleasing as those I get from my iPhone 11 Pro, particularly in high contrast situations. This was the very first time I got really great color with no special work. And I was also getting huge dynamic range (shooting SLog3). Grading the SLog in Davinci Resolve was extremely simple using the 'Color Space Transform' node. (Here is my very first experiment using low powered ceiling lights in our kitchen: ruclips.net/video/UQh8rkeisfI/видео.html ) My only issue with the A7s III is that I like to on on long hikes, and ideally want a single camera body for both video and stills. That is why I purchased the Canon R5. When I watched this video, I could not believe all the complex constraints that the camera was forcing you to deal with. The Sony has none of these! You are filling me with dread that the R5 is just going to be one big frustration for video. If I were in your shoes, shooting only video, I would give up on the R5, and just grab the A7s III. There are no compromises, and no constraints.
How do you enable 10-bit? That's the real thing that's been driving me _INSANE_ Especially at 4K 120p. It's not clear at all what enables 10-bit for any of the shooting modes/framerates. edit: 13:35, is this **confirmed** by Canon as the ONLY WAY to enable 10-bit? I thought the 4K HQ mode also did this, just not in 120p?
Hi Dan, Thanks for the tips and being positive about the workarounds on the R5 limitations. For long form, are you using an external recorder like the Ninja 5? And can you share your recommended workflow for processing the different shooting modes as I’ve seen 8k30 and H.265 codecs are taxing to process? What software do you use and what laptop/computer configuration do you recommend?
Hey! So I don't use an external recorder just because when I do need to shoot 4k120 or 8k, the recorder doesn't work. Also, the oversampled 4k HQ doesn't work when recording externally. Yes, 8k is extremely difficult and I'm using a fairly underpowered 2019 version i7 processor and 2080gpu. Unfortunately most of the newest processors don't support h.265 with 10bit 422 although you can play back h.265 420 no problem. There isn't much you can do at this point if you want to shoot 422 h.265 without proxies from my understanding....at least with Premiere
Hi. You can record in 4K HQ to an external recorder. However, you must have Overheat Control Mode set to Off. If you have it set to On, you will get 4K std to the external recorder. The RUclips channel No Life showed and proved this. I have tested this on my R5 and Atomos Ninja 5, and can confirm that it does record in HQ mode if Overheat Control is off.
Hello Dan! Have you tried checking the properties of the 10bit files when editing in Premiere Pro? I saw my 4k HQ 23.976p LOG files read as 4:2:0 chroma sampling instead of 4:2:2.
Not really. The problem with 4k120 is not just how long you can record but the fact that once the camera has been on or recorded for even 30 minutes (or just left on with a hot day), the camera will completely lock you out of 4k120 so there is a LOT they would have to do
Hey! So this was shot on the Nikon Z6 actually with a 35mm F1.8 lens. Most of my videos now are shot on the Sony A7SIII though but also a 35mm F1.8 lens
@@learningcameras What are your settings? I would love to get that kind of quality. Is this shot Raw or just normal shot? 4k or less or more? Thank you for your reply.
@@learningcameras Awesome job. I would love to have this looks one day. I don't use Adobe Premiere but I use only FCPX. Maybe do you have the color Out or color correction you sell? Maybe I should try Adobe premier. :)
Hey Dan, so the file sizes are astronomical with this camera when shooting all-i modes, and the cards aren't cheap. I'm considering doing more ipb shoots moving forward and my initial tests with motion haven't really revealed any visual differences? Thoughts?
Hey! Yeah, I shoot most IPB now. I'm going to youtube mostly so the difference is about negligent but if your shooting scenes with lots of detail and motion, the higher bitrate might be a bit better plus usually plays back better on the computer
This is sooo good! Watched it three times. I’m figuring out my R5 and this is perfect. Thank you.
Awesome!!! That's what I love hearing
This video is a proper "User's Manual for Videography" that Canon should've made at launch. A way to take the maximum out of your equipment for the longest duration. I think this video can help people using the R5 for video to at least make it to lunch, before they let the camera rest for 30-60 mins - and then finish the day off with minimal interruptions.
Great job!
Thanks Ghani! Exactly what I hoped it would be
@@learningcameras You need to keep doing your detailed "Config Analysis" my friend - haven't seen it anywhere else yet... I do hope Canon takes a notice of this video! Good luck and keep at it!
@@abdul2ghani Appreciate that!
Very helpful. I shot with my R5 yesterday and was confounded trying to get into 4K 120p (turns out I just had to "enable" high frame rate)... being confounded doesn't go over well when you're running a set. I'm definitely going to use those custom presets. On a good note, the 4K HQ is incredible. I did notice that it is H.264 though and not H.265 and it played fine on my MacBook 16". I recall several vids saying it was H.265 4:2:2 and difficult to play back, so that had me a little confused. But it looked great.
Awesome! So the camera automatically shifts to h.265 422 10bit ONLY when using Slog. I touched on the fact that 10bit is only when shooting log at the end of this video but didn't mention that it also automatically shifts it from h.264 to h.265
@@learningcameras *C-Log, that is, right? Not S-Log...
*flies off*
The camera also records 10-bit h.265 if you enable PQ mode, though you only really get about 9.5 bits used. The camera only outputs up to level 640 instead of going all the way up to 1024, for some reason. But CLog3 is better anyway.
Working with this Camera is like entering the old Contra code. Up, down, up, down, left, right, left, right, A, B, B, A
hahahahaha
Another great video Dan. So glad you mentioned APS-C modes. They are really good. I wish that camera had another 2-3 custom modes to save to with all these options.
Thanks!!! I'd definitely use another few custom modes as well lol
This video is so useful even tho I don’t own an R5 but I don’t think anyone else have a detail and to the point video out on RUclips like you do unless the video is like 20min long lol
Really true... Planning on getting an R5 - THIS is the "User's Manual" Canon should've made at launch! Really MAXIMIZES the operating envelope and capability of the camera to the fullest beyond where people are just sticking to the over-heating issues.. WOW!!
BE CAREFUL, pretty much ALL settings (like WB, ISO, IBIS, etc.) are stored and changed when you switch custom shooting modes. So in plenty of cases, it's easier to just change the recording format. I think that tip needs this disclaimer, or else it can cause people trouble. peace
DAN, THANKS FOR SHARING TONS OF KNOWLEDGE ,DID LEARN A LOT.
@@edilsonfaberruizrivera7262 awesome! Appreciate that
Great video! I own the Canon R5, no overheating issues so far. Thanks for the tip!
Great practical tips!!! Very useful to know how to work with given tool than complain about what it cannot do!! Great content!! Thanks!!
Preparing for a shoot with the R5, this video is worth gold! So much info, very well done. I had to scroll back a few times to get it all. Brilliant! Best regards
Awesome!!! Thank you so much
Thanks for the review. One remark that I would like to make, lenses will work differently with each camera. My EF 17 mm TS-E worked great with my 5D MK II, was a tick off with my 5D MK III and would be great again with the 5D MK IV. As far as I know it has to do with micro-differences in regard to the distance from glass level to the sensor. So even with the same lens on two cameras you may get different results.
you gained a new subscriber from me! man loved your approach of no hate and Tips instead! GENIUS!
Thanks so much!!! Really appreciate that
Awesome video, thanks a lot for sharing, I can't wait to get mine. Bst!
How is it working for you
Awesome video, thanks Dan! A few tips I've learned--- there is a way to dual record video while doing 8K. You can set the camera to record a 4K MP4 to the SD card slot at the same time-- essentially a proxy-- great for editing and the quality is surprisingly good. Also, Canon offers Picture Style Editor on their website for free. It lets you alter the in-camera profiles like 'Standard' and improve the dynamic range. I was able to lift the shadows with a S-Curve edit which recovered a surprising amount of detail. Nice for quick, no-grading, out-of-camera results. I was curious about your 8K RAW + Clog comment. You got better dynamic range than just RAW alone? I thought RAW was the highest setting and Clog was derived from it. Sounds like Clog adds another couple of stops on top of RAW?
When shoot in RAW you have a choice to interpret it as Clog, Clog 2, or Clog 3. The choice is yours. Clog 2 offers the most dynamic range from shadows to highlights. The Dynamic range in RAW is very respectable for a mirrorless camera from Canon. I would say overall, dynamic range in clog is the big problem with this camera, around 11.7 stops. The 14-bit RAW photos are amazing and have a huge amount of latitude, especially in the shadows when you underexpose and then bring up in post: easily 2-3 stops recoverable from shadows. Video is the other way around in 8K RAW. Really hoping that add Clog3 or Clog2 in a firmware update to keep it competitve against sony and Panasonic.
This video is unbelievably helpful, thank you!
finally someone on RUclips who is happy using his R5 lol great tips and clean edit of your video...you got a new Frenchy subscriber ;)
Awesome, thank you!
Nice tips Dan. These days I’m seeing V90 cards as anything but cheap. Even Angelbird’s V90’s
are priced higher per GB than their CF-B cards. Maddening!
Good point on shut down camera. I never ever used the on/off switch as much as I do for the R5 and R6! 😀
On top; with that horrible battery life; switching off helps on that direction too!
But the way I shoot my landscape videos where I have bits and pieces on the trail; never had overheating issue.
I had a feeling that the 4k crop mode would be better than 4k LQ, thanks for verifying that for me.
Hey Dan, love the insightful comments, please keep it up! My R5 just arrived yesterday, and this information is very timely!
Awesome! Thanks Von...enjoy the R5!!!
Pretty sure that shooting video in HDR-PQ forces the camera to shoot in 10-but as well... Plenty of reasons why someone would choose C-Log vs the HDR-PQ curve but just FYI that it's 10-bit as well.
You are correct
Correct. 10 bit + color profiles in HDR-PQ.
Thx Dan! Great tips. Can't wait to get my grubby little hands on this thing in a week or so. Unfortunately the lens I bought with it from Bnb (28-70) is on back order :(
Thank you!! 🙏 still waiting for mine to arrive, but this was the most helpful set of tips. I’d not have realized the crop would be better than LQ 4K...
If you find the menu of the R5 difficult and not easy to set, than you should really try a Sony camera
my first months with my Sony cam's I couldn't get used to it, so difficult and completely not logical at all
But after a while I got used to it, so like everything you have to spend a lot of time with it to learn how it works
Very good video! Thanks for being so clear and practical.
Great tip about the crop mode!
I hope canon fixes the issues in the camera and also adds clog 3 !! I wish canon gave us better DR
Clog 3 is here with latest update.
First video of yours that I watched! Great content, love that background. Got yourself a sub!
Awesome!!! Thanks so much Nithin!
Great tips..thank you Dan.
Can someone with an r5 upload in 8K to youtube so I can actually see
something on my Sony Z9G 8k TV? :). Out of 200 videos on this camera
they are all in 4k only.
Good points.
Thanks Dan. Great video, cheers 👍🙏
Thanks Adrian!
So helpful Dan. I think this video has convinced me to move from MFT to FF with the R5. I shoot a lot of video and was very concerned with the timers. I take it the 4K crop mode does not overheat? I was amazed that the crop mode oversampled and looked so much better. I know its compromises we don’t like but with this setup I think I could shoot almost anything with just a bit more fiddling with recording modes and perhaps always making sure I have a wider angle lens in my bag to soak up the 1.5 crop.
Nice!!! Yep, the 4k crop mode doesn't overheat and the quality is great. It's an awesome alternative for longer shoots where you can't use the HQ 4k Full frame mode since that will overheat
Very useful tips !! Thanks !!
I am just wondering ....as you mentioned the 4k cropped mode having a better quality that part...and i mark
It down as well...as i wanna test that out as well...thank you very much😃😃
Awesome! So yes, the 4k crop mode does have more detail than the standard mode and also doesn't overheat but low light is still usually better in the full frame mode so keep that in mind
@@learningcameras thank you for reminding us💪🏾and i checked that as well..actually, it mentioned in the website and manual as well!! Thank you for reminding us🙌🏽
Wow, this was incredibly useful to me! Thanks for mentioning that info about 4k APSC crop mode, as that is the mode I plan to use for nature work where I need the reach. All of the other info is really useful for getting real work done. Again, thanks and well done. I hope the wife lets you get that C70...just tell her about what kind of helpful videos you can make that have real impact (rather than taking useless jabs at the camera).
Awesome!!! Hahaha, I'll definitely be using your comment to help convince the wife lol
Awesome!!! Hahaha, I'll definitely be using your comment to help convince the wife lol
Excellent tips, Dan! Thank you.
Some of the best, most helpful r5 content. Thanks, man!
Appreciate that!
Great info thanks that tip about shooting in Crop to get the 4k30 ok is cracking
So much value in this video! Thank you 🙏🏼 Sorry if I missed it, but do we also need to crop in 4K 120, like 4K 60, for optimal sharpness?
Awesome! So you cannot crop in 4k120 so just the standard full frame mode is all you can pick
Merry Brandybuck that was a great video! :)
NICE VIDEO BUT You didn't talk about IPB VS ALL-I IN 4K HQ 😇
Hey Dan which are the most three important and buget friendly canon lenses for weeding videography
This sounds like a good video lol. I love the new RF 35mm F1.8 IS because stabilization is killer when combined with IBIS, the R5 actually works great in APSC mode so basically it's a 35 and a 50, and it's cheap as hell with great quality: bhpho.to/2Isswuh
Otherwise I use a 24-70 F2.8 (24-105 F4 would be the cheap option) and the 35 F1.8 for most getting ready & receptions, the 70-200 if I need a long reach for ceremonies (but a 24-105 in APSC mode works alright), and occasionally a wide angle for venue shots and a few fun action dance shots at the reception!
Thank you Dan !! The insight you share is Extremely helpful !! Greatly Appreciate it !! All the best,
Thanks Mark! Appreciate that
Thanks Dan, very informative video!! What is the name of the small tripod your R5 is sitting on?
So it is just the handle that comes with a gimbal. Zhiyun makes some great ones with a rubber grip
Extremely useful video Dan, thanks!!
Thank you for the information! As much as I hate to admit it, this camera just won’t work for my workflow. I have canceled my pre-order.
what about dynamic range tips for still photography? do you have any tips for better DR of still photography? Thank you always..
Shoot raw
Yeah, just shoot RAW and you have plenty of dynamic range. The R5 isn't the best but certainly it has plenty of usable DR
@@learningcameras Of course I shoot RAW to bring all the data as much as I can.. Canon is notorious for DR. I have placed a pre-order, but still haven't got it yet.. Hopefully at the end of Oct as they say.. Thank you for response..
great video, thanks for pointing out ways to max-out the value out of this camera... that is often overlooked. Is the 120 crop mode available as well?
Im just in love with your view out the window...where are you?
That was shot out in FT Lauderdale Florida but that was actually my buddies APT not my home. I'm out in Orlando
Hey Dan! All very helpful video info. I see you start this video with what appears to be a nicely balanced 24-70L on the R5. I've been trying to get this same setiup to
balance on my Ronin RS3. Any tips? It is just so front heavy with that lens.
Really good video, thank you. Have you ever stress tested the APS-C mode with regards to overheating? Is it as robust as the 4K LQ mode (which doesn't overheat even in the Texas sun)?
So I've never overheated 4k apsc and I've run almost 2 hours straight with it so it seems to not overheat at all. Canon specs also say it doesn't overheat. The quality is great though it is more sensitive to high iso
Dan Watson thank you, extremely helpful info. I think a lot of people demand too much, the R5 is like having a 45mpx really good stills camera with a c200 that reliably records over sampled 4K with dpaf and ibis.
@@simonyoung1339 yeah, I think Canon shot themselves in the foot because they really pushed the video capabilities more than stills in the announcements and then all the timers made it feel intentionally limited instead of technologically limited
The timelapse won't work if your AF-on button is assigned to AF and main button to metering +shoot.
I agree, they need to fix this in a firmware update....!
Thank you for the good explanation! One question: I own the R6, does this camera also shoots 10 bit only in c log?
Thank you buddy
Yep, the R6 is also only a 10bit camera in clog. Not sure why Canon doesn't allow a separate option...I notice they do with the C70 so maybe they are keepin g it for the higher end cameras
Dude I love my R5
What lut do you use from canon for the r5 as a starting point for clog?
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You were preoccupied with your referral links that you forgot the link to the short
For 4,5k Euro this type of issues with overheating it's a joke.
Xcellent. I’m having occasional focusing at infinity problems with R5 and my “holiday lens” RF 24 240. Stills is fine! It’s erratic....any ideas....tried 8k and HD both same....
please make video Canon R5 with ninja v
5:53 what's up with those black pixels on the windshield?
Are you planning to do anything similar with the R6 ?
You think I should??? Feel free to let me know some popular questions you have!
@@learningcameras I think you are right. Not too many video options there. Although I would like to see what is the best possible result with the R6 you can get. I would be interested in color temperature issues some people have reported.
Very very useful... You nailed it 👌🏽just a quick question is 4kcrop better than the 4kHQ ? Thank you for help... also do you have any link clog lut ? Please 🙏
Thanks for the video, I have a question. How do I set the movie record button to pick C1 by default to shoot with my custom settings?
Hi Dan. Great video. With all the firmware updates since you made this video have you changed your opinion about using cropped 4K rather than LQ 4k or is it still the same? Cheers
Hey! So I find I can use the HQ 4k longer without actually overheating which is good. But I still maintain that cropped 4k is still more detailed because of the oversampling than 4k LQ full frame so I'd only use LQ if you need to use wide angle lenses or have to shoot in low light
@@learningcameras thanks for getting back to me. Great to have an expert opinion.
Did not disappoint
It's good for video if you use with caution. But Sony a7siii is like you Don't have to think about it.
I don't want to do anything to damage the camera, but I think I heard you can cool the camera down fairly quickly by sticking in a an ice chest between shots. Has anyone tried this? Good idea? Bad idea? Maybe not a freezing ice chest, just something around 40 degrees.
So it really is WAY less effective than you would think. This camera is very timer based so even using it in freezing weather you still can't record much more than in the heat. When it first came out, putting it in the freezer did pretty much nothing although some firmware upgrades have improved things a bit
I may have missed it but I didn't see how to switch the crop modes...
I really think its the CF card that overheats. I have a 1TB card and that thing gets hot!
You're the one that gets hot ;)
@@kelb89 😎😎😎🔥
@@kelb89 smooth
I'm confused. How do you shoot 8K Raw + Clog? I thought it was one or the other.
Nope, make sure you have CLOG turned on & shoot 8k raw. I thought they would be the same too but I got very different results
@@learningcameras Its because it isnt true RAW
Thanks for this guide. What is the HDMI output to external recorder when the camera is set to internal recording of 8K raw? I plan to use this web streaming or connected Atomos Shogun in a rig.
I don’t understand the crop mode vs HQ 4K, could you explain this a bit more? Are you talking about the movie cropping mode enable? If so, doesn’t the cropping mode in 4K disable the HQ mode?
So the HQ mode just gives you "oversampled" video and the only reason they have it in the full frame mode is that there is also a "non oversampled" mode. In APSC everything is oversampled so basically it's ONLY HQ. The downside is there is a 1.5x crop so technically not full frame but it doesn't overheat and is oversampled where as the HQ mode in full frame overheats quickly
Is the quality of 4k60 cropped to 4k30 cropped?
10:40 - Why do you suggest using full frame mode for low light? Wouldnt it be better to use full frame HQ?
So I was saying it's better to use full frame LQ in low light instead of the crop mode if you need modes that don't overheat. Absolutely use the HQ version whenever possible for the best quality but it will overheat pretty fast. However at low iso, 4k crop is better quality than 4k LQ and neither overheat
Hi Dan, I wanted to ask you for information and share a problem I'm having with my R5. I state that I have already heard canon assistance. I was wondering if by chance you had also encountered this problem on your R5 and if you have found a solution to avoid it. Practically when I film in CLOG and especially in CLOG 3, horizontal stripes appear as image noise in the dark parts of my shots. First of all I went to see the instruction manual and it says that this can occur in particular conditions and advises to take test shots and possibly change the lighting conditions inside my location. Obviously this is not always possible. This is definitely frustrating. Below you will find what the manual says under the heading "Canon Log Image Quality". If this has happened to you before, do you have any advice for me? I would be grateful.
(Canon Log Image Quality
With Canon Log, movies may be affected by horizontal banding, depending on the subject or shooting conditions. Record a few test movies and check the results in advance. In particular, noise may become more noticeable if you enhance the contrast when color-grading your movies.
With Canon Log, skies, white walls, and similar subjects may be affected by noise or uneven gradation, exposure, or colors.
Horizontal banding is more likely to occur when recording somewhat dark, flat subjects. This image noise may even occur at relatively low ISO speeds around ISO 400 for Canon Log or ISO 800 for Canon Log 3.
If noise is noticeable, try recording under brighter conditions and adjusting brightness in color grading. Noise can also be reduced by recording at ISO speeds lower than ISO 400 for Canon Log or ISO 800 for Canon Log 3, although dynamic range is narrower.)
Question, although a little off topic. Can the new computers (Macbooks & New Dells) allow you to edit the 8K footage. It seems everyone was talking about it and then it stopped. Would love to hear back from you. Great video BTW. I'm still using 1080 on my R5 and would love to switch
I don't use 8k often but 4k has definitely improved. 422 10bit h.265 was almost impossible to edit but the M1/M2 and the latest gen intel can pull it off. It's still not completely fluid but 10x better than before. I'd imagine 8k has also improved but it was pretty much impossible to play back before lol
@@learningcameras Thanks for taking the time to response Dan. Pat
Does 4K60 crop mode have overheating issues?
Do you have any idea why my iPad will not accept any all-i footage, clog footage, or 8k? Only 4k IPB will work, and I can’t find anyone who has brought up the same issue. I have the new m1 iPad 12.9” 2021 5th Gen. It is driving me absolutely nuts.
Can you provide a link to Canon's website, which is luts what can be applied to the material recorded in C-log in R5 and R6? Somehow I can't find it ...
I know that for sharper C Log in the eos R we had to increase the sharpness or "strength" settting. Is this something to do as well in the R5?
When in Stills Modus the video Record-Button does start video recording following what C3 has stored (at least mine does)
Yep, I noticed that. Also, if you have some kind of 4k60 or higher set to C3, you will also see the overheating clock when in stills mode so you can see that even if you are just shooting stills, the ability to record video goes down quickly
Please guide..How to shoot 10 bit 4:2: 2 video footage on Canon R5? does it shoot 10 bit 4:2: 2 only in C-Log? DO it has to be ALL-I or IPB to get 10 bit 4:2: 2?
You have to shoot C-Log or HLG to force the camera in 10bit 422. There is no other way. You can however shoot both All-I or IPB I believe to get 10bit...the only thing that changes is the bitrate but even Canon's IPB bitrate is high. In 4k120, you can ONLY shoot ALL-I
Dan what Canon LUT do you use the most for getting a baseline grade out of 8K Raw?
I personally do ALL grading myself because I don't feel like I trust most LUTs but I'm still looking for a faster way to work with the 8k RAW with a good LUT. I want to make sure the LUT isn't just recrushing all the shadows and limiting all the DR I worked so hard to record lol
🤣 good luck with the boss
where is the apsc crop setting ?
during a video recording, is it possible to change wb or iso etc? I have heard that it is not possible to do this
great Video. What is in your opinion the highest possible Qualitiy mode, wich does not run into overheating (under normal surrounding temperatur eg. 20Celsius)
The highest quality video mode that doesn't overheat is 4k24 with an APSC crop. This mode looks great and doesn't overheat. If you are above 1600 ISO though, go with the full frame 4k24 in LQ to not overheat which even though it has less detail than the crop mode, it also has less grain.
@@learningcameras thank you for answering and for really be helpful
Hi iam from India last week bought canon R5 now iam facing a issue that heating problem on 1080p 120 frame rate is that any solution to solve this issue. now I use tough sd card 300fes
Hi! I’ve been attempting to set up my custom shooting modes for video, and they all say “C1 P”. I noticed your options say “C1 M” which is what I need to have control my shutter speed, aperture, etc... Please help!
Dan, I am a huge fan of your videos. Thanks for the detailed run down. I got my Sony A7s III last week, and will get my Canon R5 tomorrow. I shot with the A7s III all weekend, doing four different video shoots. I was blown away by the color and dynamic range. Frankly up until now, I never trusted any of my prosumer cameras to be give colors anywhere near as pleasing as those I get from my iPhone 11 Pro, particularly in high contrast situations. This was the very first time I got really great color with no special work. And I was also getting huge dynamic range (shooting SLog3). Grading the SLog in Davinci Resolve was extremely simple using the 'Color Space Transform' node. (Here is my very first experiment using low powered ceiling lights in our kitchen: ruclips.net/video/UQh8rkeisfI/видео.html ) My only issue with the A7s III is that I like to on on long hikes, and ideally want a single camera body for both video and stills. That is why I purchased the Canon R5. When I watched this video, I could not believe all the complex constraints that the camera was forcing you to deal with. The Sony has none of these! You are filling me with dread that the R5 is just going to be one big frustration for video. If I were in your shoes, shooting only video, I would give up on the R5, and just grab the A7s III. There are no compromises, and no constraints.
I just sold my Sony A7sIII for the R5
I purchased a 128 CF express card I can’t record 8k do I need a bigger card?
How do you enable 10-bit? That's the real thing that's been driving me _INSANE_
Especially at 4K 120p. It's not clear at all what enables 10-bit for any of the shooting modes/framerates.
edit: 13:35, is this **confirmed** by Canon as the ONLY WAY to enable 10-bit? I thought the 4K HQ mode also did this, just not in 120p?
I'm almost positive that 10bit is only in LOG recording. Basically Canon assumes you don't need 10bit unless you shoot log
@@learningcameras I just checked the files I shot at 4K PQ or whatever it was, and it actually was 4:2:2 10 bit!
Hi Dan,
Thanks for the tips and being positive about the workarounds on the R5 limitations.
For long form, are you using an external recorder like the Ninja 5?
And can you share your recommended workflow for processing the different shooting modes as I’ve seen 8k30 and H.265 codecs are taxing to process? What software do you use and what laptop/computer configuration do you recommend?
Hey! So I don't use an external recorder just because when I do need to shoot 4k120 or 8k, the recorder doesn't work. Also, the oversampled 4k HQ doesn't work when recording externally. Yes, 8k is extremely difficult and I'm using a fairly underpowered 2019 version i7 processor and 2080gpu. Unfortunately most of the newest processors don't support h.265 with 10bit 422 although you can play back h.265 420 no problem. There isn't much you can do at this point if you want to shoot 422 h.265 without proxies from my understanding....at least with Premiere
Hi. You can record in 4K HQ to an external recorder. However, you must have Overheat Control Mode set to Off. If you have it set to On, you will get 4K std to the external recorder. The RUclips channel No Life showed and proved this. I have tested this on my R5 and Atomos Ninja 5, and can confirm that it does record in HQ mode if Overheat Control is off.
Hello Dan! Have you tried checking the properties of the 10bit files when editing in Premiere Pro? I saw my 4k HQ 23.976p LOG files read as 4:2:0 chroma sampling instead of 4:2:2.
Do you think they will ever fix 4k 120 or get it to shoot in this mode longer?
Not really. The problem with 4k120 is not just how long you can record but the fact that once the camera has been on or recorded for even 30 minutes (or just left on with a hot day), the camera will completely lock you out of 4k120 so there is a LOT they would have to do
By the way what camera and lens you use to get this video sooooo sharp and clear and crispy?
Hey! So this was shot on the Nikon Z6 actually with a 35mm F1.8 lens. Most of my videos now are shot on the Sony A7SIII though but also a 35mm F1.8 lens
@@learningcameras What are your settings? I would love to get that kind of quality. Is this shot Raw or just normal shot? 4k or less or more? Thank you for your reply.
@@letsrockmusicschool5491 Just normal 4k using a flat picture profile and I graded it myself in Adobe Premiere
@@learningcameras Awesome job. I would love to have this looks one day. I don't use Adobe Premiere but I use only FCPX. Maybe do you have the color Out or color correction you sell? Maybe I should try Adobe premier. :)
Hey Dan, so the file sizes are astronomical with this camera when shooting all-i modes, and the cards aren't cheap. I'm considering doing more ipb shoots moving forward and my initial tests with motion haven't really revealed any visual differences? Thoughts?
Hey! Yeah, I shoot most IPB now. I'm going to youtube mostly so the difference is about negligent but if your shooting scenes with lots of detail and motion, the higher bitrate might be a bit better plus usually plays back better on the computer
Hi how I can shoot 10 bit on Canon eos r5 without shooting in clog mode?
HLG and Clog are the only ways unfortunately
What gymbal do you use? Brand and link please?
So right now just about everything I shoot is on the DJI RSC2: bhpho.to/342uXMf
If you do have a super heavy setup though and a few extra $, the RS2 is the upgrade: bhpho.to/2HIvoDg
@@learningcameras no PayPal in my country, so I need free LUT