Speaking of the augmentations, I always wondered why Chief needed a flashlight in the original trilogy knowing that he could pretty much see in almost total darkness.
Don't know if this could be canon, but my personal head-canon explanation is that the light just helps Spartans to see even better, similar to how first gen night vision scopes relied on infrared lamps to see better.
Gameplay purposes. Also, in a close quarter combat situation in darkness/low light environments, having your opponent shining a bright light straight in your eyes is a huge disadvantage since you're temporarily blinded. Perhaps that's one of the uses of his flashlights, to blind his foes when needed. If you have played Halo Wars 2, you probably remember Jerome using said tactic, turning his lights on before fighting Banished brutes in a dark room. If my memory serves me correctly, the MJOLNIR helmets (or the ones fitted with cameras) can record stuff for intel gathering purposes, so a bright source of light is required; otherwise, the footages they get would be pitch black. In addition, our eyes need time to adjust to brightness or darkness. I don't think Chief (or any soldier) would have that luxury in combat to wait for his pupils to dilate/undilate, hence the lights.
I personnally think most people consider 3s (and 4s) inferior to 2s because of the reason they were made. 2s were meant to be perfect 3s were meant to be expendable 4s were meant to be morally acceptable.
@xSARGEx117x cut training time doesn't necessarily mean worse. Purely because I vaguely remember Spartan 3 training ended up being more extensive, cruel, and tougher to make up for the less training time with a more emphasis on teamwork and comraderie than the Spartan 2s. I also vaguely remember Kurt telling Halsey that if a Spartan 3 was wearing Mjolnir, they'd be on par with a Spartan 2.
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@@Connor-073 i think the same but facts can Tell otherwise. With the same technologue and training, IIs are better for sure but... 3s augmentations were developped ans upgrade from the résulta if the 2s augmentations 3s have been trained by a Spartan that understand Spartan capability 2s were trained from infiltration missions against insurectionnist. 3s, to fight the covenant. 3s didn't had the same budget for their equipment, so they had weaker equipments. If Put 2s un SPI armor, Will they still ne better than 3s?
@@pascallavoie8417 Spartan IIIs are as strong as IIs, but the IIs combat training hits DIFFERENT. The IIs were trained since the age of six years old. If we put them in SPI armor, we’ve got to remember how much faster they are genetically. We’ve got to remember that their bones are encased in TITANIUM and some shit. We’ve got to remember that they are THE Spartans. Not some fodder designed to die. I’m not saying the spartan IIIs are weaker, Im saying the Spartan IIs are more skilled and knowledgeable of combat. So, a Spartan II would beat a Spartan III, BARELY.
@@johnmacangus2634 I like the 4s because they are a natural evolution of the Spartan program and shows how far humanity has come since the beginning of the H-C war. I’ve never found them to be goofy, but I understand preferring the previous iterations.
Agreed. SII will always be the og for me but SIII are the real unsung heros IMO. They were trained from ages younger than Spartans, in harsher conditions, given inferior equipment and then after almost of decade of brutal training sent on legit suicide missions that were expected to have 100% casualty rate. Akerson might have been fighting for humanity, but he had zero concern for the sanctity of life or the suffering of those under him.
@@comancheclub3449 I believe it was either Kurt or Mendez that commented on Ackerson, saying he would sacrifice his entire family if the opportunity was there
Can you do “10 things you might not have known about Elites” next? I think that would be cool since the covenant side of halo lore is a part that I think many halo fans probably know less about as a whole.
Remember when the 3's were created because someone felt small to Halsey. To go so far as to try and kill Chief in a training exercise with an anti tank missile.
Then tried to kill Master Chief and Cortana with ODSTs during a training exercise. 🤣 He paid for that mistake dearly and had a lot of explaining to do with Mrs after Cortana got done with him.
I think this is a fascinating showing of humanity and it's relevance to the real world because it goes to show that even with xx on the line that humans will still human or just that there are still people who will let their pride and ego get in the way of goals regardless of their importance.
That would be really cool. I also thought it would be cool to play as a normal marine during the first contact on harvest. Or a game where there are different missions but you play as different people. Some missions are a success, while others are complete failures.
That's basically what ODST coop was: * Weaker than the Chief and Six, but still superhuman (carrying turrets around and surviving plasma shots, just like Spartans wearing SPI instead of Mjolnir). * Recharging shields, even if the game used a different name (which Headhunters had on their SPI)
Spartan 3s are not weaker than Spartan 2s. Spartan 2s were given Mjolnir while many 3s were not. That's the whole point of them. They're SEVERLY underrated.
Agree 100%. I actually like Spartan 3 program more then 2’s. Just like there is a certain minimum level of augmentation required to out preform a elite, there is also a necessary quantity of those quality soldiers needed to compete with the covenant army. If you can only produce single digit production percentages of Spartans compared to the covenant‘s quality elites, hunters, and brutes soldier production; your going to loose the war. Hence why I appreciate the Spartan 3’s quantity and quality! The bonus is it opens up new ways of using Spartans for the necessary self sacrifice missions that otherwise would of been too expensive to even be viable long term. Plus being developed by being kidnapped to fight your own people trying to break free from Orwellian State control is, in my opinion, a less cool vibe. Way cooler to be a part of a elite Spartan program with the numbers to make a difference in the war, from a pool of orphans looking to inflict vicious vengeance upon the covenant. Now was it perfect? No the augmentations still required a minority of the human population to be genetically comparable but did it succeed in their goals. More quantity then Spartan 2 ✅ More cheap then Spartan 2 ✅ For most anti-covenant purposes, just as good as Spartan 2s; doing all this wile being forced to use by necessity inferior quality equipment but on a value Analysis they made the most of it. ✅ Note: Later Spartan programs were able to seemingly acheive more mass production but that technology was not matured enough in time during the Human Covenent war. They needed more Spartans yesterday during that war so the Spartan 3 program was nesciary stop gap. 3s armor may have lacked energy shields but if did have active camo which is a much wiser choice for budgeting, spec ops and espionage. And in my opinion the later generations of Spartans that have mass production don’t have as cool of a backstory. So for me 3s are a nice middle ground. Cool backstory. Making a lot with less. Necisary sacrifices. With numbers to try to make a difference.
I believe all but a few were given SPI armor, which was a cheaper alternative to Mjolnir armor. If I recall correctly, it has a type of cloak rather then a shield.
@@NoodleswithADHD yes they have photo reactive plating that made them have discount active camouflage. Super based IMO. Energy shields have limits but you can’t hit what can’t see. You can’t even fight what you don’t notice. More survivable to stealth past Beam Rifle Jackals then go in visibly guns blazing. Most Spartan 2’s didn’t active camo at the time so mass producing it for the 3s would have been a huge deal. Even still some Spartan 3s like Noble team got energy shielded Spartan 2 armor but ,for the most part, majority made due without.
@@NoodleswithADHD The SPI armor had both. its just that one would draw power from the other in order for that mode to perform at maximum capacity. like the cloaking would fizzle or static when the shields recharged. Headhunters being the best of the best got a more advanced version of SPI On a separate note, you are correct that a few had the privilege of using Mjolnir, such as Noble Team being equipped with MK V
Out of the spartans Gen 3 were my favorite just for the sheer tragedy and importance they had in the expanded universe. Doomed to die but always win at the cost of their life.
I've always sided with Halsey in her reaction to Akerson and discovering the SIII project. At it's core, Halsey actually loves her SII's and we know they are her children. Akerson felt nothing for the SIII's, and this makes it so much more tragic. I also love the Ferret Team stories and how they view Veda as mom, and in turn how she has become mom.
Kurt is more comparable in regards to the Spartans and how he viewed them than Ackerson, whom was barely in Ghost of Onyx after pitching it. Kurt loved his Spartans and it's still just as tragic as Kurt felt powerless and responsible for the destruction of Alpha and Beta company, despite that not being anyones fault (well ONI is to blame since 3s didn't have any logistical support like the 2s)
Well atleast the program was relatively safe and zero kidnappings were conducted and to be fair everything was going shit during the spartan 3 program. I actually hated Halsey's reaction to "her" spartans hey lady if youre gonna kidnap and treat me like a labrat which we barely survive btw the last thing i would want is for you to act like my mother atleast akerson is honest.
Ermm...she did sanction their kidnappings, directly kill many of them with unsafe surgeries and subject them to awful training as well as making their parents suffer abhorrent crimes against humanity
Sadly the 3s became the sacrificial Spartan generation even though after the 2s were probably the most dangerous generation of Spartan to come across in battle. Unlike the child abducted and brainwashed 2s the 3s comprised of the volunteers which mostly comprised of survivors of Covenant attacks. A single revenge seeking Spartan is a scary thought. Now let times that by a few thousands.
reading dante’s death was shocking. the way they worded it was honestly horrific to visualize from kurt’s perspective. casual conversation into short realization into instant death all the while kurt was gauging his reaction(and lack thereof) to his wounds while he was running up to him(donte was running to a stationary kurt with a huge hole in his chest) kurt knew that donte was literally a deadman walking that didn’t know he was already dead😨
I actually knew all of these. Spartan-IIIs are my favourite generation of Spartans. There’s just so much depth and lore there, like we still have loose ends out there like Kevin-A282, the Spartans of Gauntlet, Red and Echo Teams that Jun mentioned in Reach, and who have been confirmed Spartan-III teams, Spartan-B170 and more recently (prior to Infinite’s launch) a team of Spartans who appeared in London and saved Agryna, and who I personally believe are Spartan-IIIs who were equipped with similar armour as Naomi-010. That’s without diving into Headhunters and Gamma Company Spartans. I still do hope 343 keep some mystery around this class of Spartans though, while tying up the loose ends I mentioned, because it is perfect for creating our own Spartans, myself having a few that I created with backgrounds and portfolios. Anyways that’s all I wanted to say. You can probably tell how much I enjoy this topic of Halo
Naomi is a Spartan II test piloting the MV5 core of Mjolnir Mark VII, but yes, similar armor and possibly twos or threes (threes more likely, given their size in comparison to pre-augmented Agryna) who could have also been test piloting the armor. It's actually possible that one of the three Spartans was Naomi, and the other two could be Tom and Lucy, or maybe Ash and Olivia, if they were later given Mjolnir.
@@swimmerofage2148 those are good suggestions but it cannot be Tom, Lucy, Ash or Olivia as they were currently on Onyx then later in the actual Dyson Sphere as the Battle of Earth was unfolding
Spartan IIIs were always my favorite. They may have met some (albeit looser) genetic criteria, but their main trait was their motivation. I always loved sheer will more than some kind of hidden talent. Basically, they had that DAWG in them.
Makes me sad to think that most of the 3s never got to hit their full potential. Noble team were some of the few to actually hit adulthood, and Kat and Six were barely there, at 22.
My take when it comes to comparing "out of suit" capabilities of S2 and S3 is that S3's are capable of what the people running the S2 program expected the S2 augmentations to achieve. In the book "Fall of Reach" i believe there is a part after the augmentation where Mendez and Halsey are observing a training exercise where two instructors were fighting against blue team. The instructors were in early gen tethered power armor and Halsey was susprised at how fast, agile and powerful the Spartans were. The theory there being that their genetics not only allowed them to survive the procedures as was expected, but synergized with them and allowed for greater then expected results. S3 augmentations were broad scope enough that they didn't need that exact of a physical match to qualify and thus the augmentations, now improved and with a higher chance of success, could be much widely applied. But the results were the EXPECTED results of S2's not the bonus synergy results. This also means that there is a small subset of S3's that by chance have the genetics to also synergize with their augmentations and be, for all intents and purposes, on par with an S2. The player character of Reach comes to mind, there are also headhunters and maybe a few other special cases. This of course ignoring the "illegal bonus" Gamma company got which would give them an edge over S2's in an extreme situation. But no free lunches, comes with a massive downside.
I've seen someone claim the Spartan-2 augmentations are inherently superior to the Spartan-3 one's specifically _because_ their augmentations are more invasive and frequently fatal. As opposed to the canon, where Spartan-3 augmentations are considered superior for the exact same reason.
@@vps31 People tend to bring up the "cheaper" thing, but they always overlook a very important point; the _armour_ was the budget cut, not the Spartan. The bulk of the cost of a Spartan-2 goes into their absurdly expensive, impossible-to-mass-produce GEN1 Mjolnir. That's why most Spartan-3's got SPI Armour until it was replaced by GEN2 Mjolnir; it can be mass-produced cheaply enough to supply them.
@@williamgibson3862 I've seen that fairly often, they usually seem to think the Spartan-3 augmentations were "watered down" versions, when it was actually the Spartan-4's who got that dubious honour.
There’s a few things on this list that I didn’t know or couldn’t remember, like the younger part, at first I was surprised but then I remembered they were orphans or the under cover spartan 3s among the Banished that completely surprised me, and the facts about Gamma company was surprising. Personally I think a “10 things you might not know about ODSTs”could be interesting or a 10 things about one of the alien species could be cool too.
George was just a really huge Spartan? I mean he was a lot bigger than the rest of noble, and that being one of the only size example of 2s to 3s next to each-other was probably a big reason for the misconception.
The whole "Smoother" thing regarding Gamma company's augmentation process sounds like the Earth Alliance Phantom Pain Black Ops unit's "Extendeds" mostly unexplained augmentation process in Gundam Seed Destiny.
Spartan 3s are not weaker than the 2s, they just wear cheaper armor. Put a Spartan 3 in the same armor as a Spartan 2 and he can become "hyper lethal" just like a Spartan 2.
4:00 I'm sure it was a mistake bro, but Tom and lucy are Beta company Spartan 3s not Alpha company. All of the alphas died except jun. Also as far as 2s and 3s being equal, I completely agree until the Gammas enter the mix. The Gammas are just something else entirely man. Source - Ghosts of Onyx
No it wasn't a mistake. Tom and Lucy are alpha, not beta company. Not all of Alpha Company died, Tom and Lucy were the only 2 survivors. They even wore the first SPI armor model.
I would love to see an S III headhunters game where you’re paired up with a different partner depending on your playstyle after a psych evaluation quiz. I feel this would help you develop a deeper connection with a character that compliments you and your playstyle while you go and hunt down high value targets during the Human-Covenant war.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU finally a video showing that the 2's and 3's are the same. I have been in soooo many arguments over this and ppl never believe me, thank you so much for putting this to rest. The 3's will always be my favorite generation!!!! 😁
Gamma Company was my favorite, their status as the soldiers that need 'happy' pills was hilarious. however, its surprising it took Kurt -051 the complete loss of two companies to look into what can give his spartans an edge to help them survive these suicide missions.
I knew about the mass deployment and suicide missions including the tragic story of Tom and Lucy, the fact that Spartan 3 was done behind Halsey’s back and the existence of the headhunters and that the best of each class were separated as for what I didn’t know I was under the impression of Spartan 3’s being slightly inferior to Spartan 2’s, I had heard some things about humans in banished ranks but nothing about Spartans I also hadn’t heard about gamma’s additional modifications and the new class that was heading to Onyx or even about Onyx being a shield world. all things considered yet another amazing and educational video thanks 00
I’m new to your channel and really enjoy your stuff! I knew most of this but didn’t know about the headhunters. I may have to go back into not my books and look for them.
Saw the video and the first thing I thought was "Will he erroneously claim that Spartan III's augmentations were inferior to Spartan II's", and I'm glad to see you wasted no time shutting down that dumb myth. WHY so many people seem to think that Spartan III's were weaker than IIs, or that Lucy's height is the height for all of them is beyond me. They seriously need to reread Ghost's of Onyx, cause they clearly didn't get it the first time.
exactly lol. It literally states that Lucy was a dwarf compared to the other Spartans and the Spartan III augs were a quantum leap in comparison to the IIs.
Not to be a pedant, but I'm pretty sure Tom and Lucy were from Beta company and were the sole survivors of Operation: TORPEDO, rather than Alpha's Company's successful but ultimately ill-fated Operation: PROMETHEUS. Edit: Now that I've finished the video, I've got a couple of questions. 1. A while back, you made a video comparing the Spartan generations and noted that IIIs are, in fact, somewhat weaker and slower, based on known feats. While I can buy that many of the physical disparities will disappear with time, one thing I'm curious about is the Spartan neurological augmentations. You seemed to think that S-IIs are in a league of their own here, and IIIs and IVs, while significantly faster than human baseline, are still not quite there. The thing balancing out the Spartan generations is ultimately the Spartan Neural Interface and MJOLNIR, which bypass the central nervous system and most of the differences in physical strength. How much of that information would you say is still up to date? 2. While I was watching you discuss the illegal neurological Gamma-specific modifications, I found my thoughts turning to additional advancements made in Project ORCHID for the Spartan-IVs, and your belief that many of the new generation-specific augmentations were retroactively applied to prior Spartan generations. Wouldn't it be possible to create an artificial organ, or modify an existing one to perhaps produce the chemicals required to counteract the negative effects of the Gamma neurological augs, or are they perhaps too reliant on specific ingredients to do this, even with the UNSC's impressive bioengineering technology? I figured if they could make a Spartan breathe methane or get efficient nutritional value out of a tree trunk, this isn't a massive leap, but maybe I'm wrong?
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem I posted this the moment I stumbled onto the apparent mistake in the video, but later information in the video gets their backstories correct, so I am sure this was a simple oversight during the recording and editing process, nothing to worry about.
You may be right about the UNSC being hella good with biotechnology, if I am correct the UNSC already had a cure for Cancer long before the Human Covenant War, so maybe?
No, they were from alpha. They were the only 2 survivors from operation torpedo where there were 300 of them attacking a Covenant refinery. They even had the 1st PSI armor model that wasn't vacuum sealed. They jumped in water to survive the explosion and their helmets filled with water.
It would be really sick for a book to come out. New S4 character POV, and that character getting to go on a deep dive of the history of the Spartans. A very non-combat heavy Halo novel. Character gets to meet the trainers from 117's training, finds the active S3s for interviews due to whatever reason. Then a major focus on multiple S4s learning and reacting to the factual information and feats of the prior generations. Close up on "What does being a Spartan mean to you? What IS a Spartan?" And get the response from across the generations. Would be cool to see 117 answer that, but I'm already asking too much
3:50 if i remember right, tom and lucy are from bêta company. From what i remember, alpha company all got wiped out. Exept if a few were transfered before the operation, i cant remember.
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Fun fact Spartans Hazel A302 and Owen B092 were also pulled from their companies Also for everyone who still believes that spartan 3s can't hang with 2s Dr Halsey Initially mistook the spartan 3s of noble team for spartan 2s the giveaway was their age until she found out everything about the 3s she assumed someone made another class of 2s without her input she was half right lol
I know the 3s indoc and training regiment was tougher than the 2s Imagine 4 year old kids doing static line parachute jumps into the training zone to kick things off. I also know that the older the spartan 3 gets the more they develop and "synergies" with the chemical augmentations slowly but constantly evolving. Thier are also a few 3s with the genetic markers required in Halseys selection for her 2s who received further augmentation such as the members of noble team who wear MJLONIR. And as it is right now with the advancements in MJLONIR gen 3 that the Spartan 4 have paired with the surviving 3s capability. Add to that the headhunters who are probably the most highly trained and most lethal Spartans out there that we'll never here about. The 3s are jus the best IMO
I’m other words spartan 2’s and 3’s were very comparable to each other and the only reason it is perceived that the 3’s are smaller and weaker is because they died so damned fast. Had many of them lived longer they would have eventually been equal size to the Spartan 2’s because the Spartan 3’s were injected with a catalytic compound that did everything that the original augments did for Spartan 2’s but over a longer period of time instead of an immediate boost that the Spartans would later have to adjust to like with the CAT 2 Spartans. I other words 2’s and 3’s were not as different as people seem to think but because most Spartan 3’s didn’t survive very long after aug they never fully developed cuz most 3’s were still very young in comparison and still had plenty of time to grow into the arguments they were given but never got the chance cuz they had a war to fight.
this video is epic, i so often try to argue that SIIIs are on par, at most slightly inferior to the SIIs and this video just put it into one easy package. I was unaware on the fact that the SIIIs could keep growing, with the knowledge of that and that they were rarely given Mjolnir, i can confidently say more then ever that they are hardly worse if at all.
While Spartan 3's are my *favourite* kind of Spartans, they are STILL in generell smaller than Spartan 2's due to the RIDICULOUS augmentation young Spartan 2's went through. Ps. *Remember REACH*
They're only smaller because they didn't receive implants, and they didn't receive implants because technology and advanced augmentations rendered them useless. The Spartan III chemical augmentations provided them with every benefit that the Spartan II augmentations provided.
@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 I don't think they were generally smaller, but there was a greater variation of height because of the more lenient requirements. That's why Lucy was extremely short for a spartan while Kat, B312, and Jun were close to John's height with Kat and B312 being slightly shorter while Jun was a little taller.
My introduction to the Spartan 3's was from the book Ghost of Onyx. From what I remember was that they where throw away Spartans because they where sent in one way suicide missions. They where kids orphaned when they're world's where glassed by the covenant and secretly trained at an ONI base on a planet Called Onyx witch turned out a hidden Forrunner installation was also at
In theory Spartan III’s if they lived long enough they would keep growing becoming more bigger and powerful correct? Meaning they could surpass Spartan II and their only drawn back was not being equip with the same quality of Armor. Could they be the most powerful class then of Spartan?
The reason I thought S3 were less than S2 is that they were chosen because they are orphans, meant to be produced in mass, cheaply, and sacrificed. The S2 they were sought out with specific markers and were so expensive that they reduced the candidates by half. Kinda made it seem like quality (S2) over quantity (S3). Need to catch up on my novels especially about ferret team in the banished ranks!
Well you have to remember that humanity was huge, there where easily millions of children orphaned by the covenant, and only around 900 of those were selected as Spartan III's, so despite the fact that there were more quantity, Spartan III's only had slightly less strict genetic vetting than the II's did.
Great video I didn't know most of these facts or that 3's are basically on par with 2's after hearing for years that 2's were better from everyone haha. I hope you make a video like this for spartan 4's next, I am genuinely curious where they stack up to the previous generations and if they are inferior to them or not. As well as any other interesting facts about them as the current and newest generation of Spartans. Keep up the great work!
@@jasonzaragoza9413 Yeah I'm not that into the lore that I know the augmentations I just know that each generation had different ones Which I assumed was weaker augments each new gen but since the video said that wasn't really the case with 2's and 3's I wondered about 4's augments and how they stack up cause I don't know. So thanks for letting me know It's a shame their not as good as 2's and 3's but I still want a video on them as well to know more about them cause I enjoy infinite and my spartan 4.
@@Daniel-qx7tv yea the 4s are honestly just barely augmented to be slightly above normal humans in physical terms. Their armor makes up alot of the difference though, while 2s and 3s were augmented to be far beyond anything humanly capable. Without armor a 2 and 3 could probably manhandle a whole squad of 4s. Even with armor they could beat quite a few.
@jasonzaragoza9413 I'm pretty sure the Spartan-IVs are well above the average human in terms of strength and speed rather than just being slightly better, but yes, they are inferior to the IIs and IIIs.
Did you forget that the three gammas who became ferrets with Lopis, had a subcutaneous procedure where a implant was inserted into their skin to give the smoothers to them if they were on long deployments where they couldn’t access the injector smoothers?
I think the misconception that S3s are smaller and weaker than S2s is born from the size difference between Noble team and Jorge, with most members of Noble team roughly 6ft 10inch and Jorge being 7ft 4 inch but we can't say this difference goes for every Spartan 2 and 3. It could also come from the differences between SPI used by the S3s and Mjolnir by the S2s.
I think you get into slippery fiction territory if you start accepting "the technology just got better and this cheaper, mass producible approach is better" The Spartan 2's should always be fundamentally superior or it trivializes the lengths gone to to create them, not to mention from a time scale perspective they are getting past their sell by date anyways, no harm in letting them have the crown while they last. Spartan 3's were an attempt to mass produce that cut corners but still had that high bar mark, goals were mostly achieved but with personality disorders and a kind of rampancy. It would be awfully strange if your cost cutting approach was better, let alone achieved first try. Spartan 4's are Wall Mart mass produced and 343 should keep that in mind, maintain a serious professionalism but they are just augmented special forces, they need to lack that sharpness, scale and honestly I wouldnt mind if they kept the Halo 4 armour just to differentiate them. It's all a balancing act and when your story telling starts slipping into "newer" = "better" you start losing what makes stuff interesting
the cut corner approach mostly applies to the armor though, which has been stated to be ridiculously expensive to produce, (of course then you have 343 who just disregard that fact and produce hundreds of armor sets for the 4s lol). unarmored, a Spartan II and III are near identical in skill; the IIIs having the better training while the IIs have the decades of experience. They'd have been better off just producing MJOLNIR armor for the 300+ remaining Spartan IIIs than developing a whole new (and far inferior) program.
Tom and Lucy were beta company and mostly survived due to being away from the main force of bravo during op:torpedo. Fire team foxtrot managed to get through the op with only 50% losses and in SPI armour where as there have been Spartan 2 fireteams wiped out by less enemy and also in mjolnir armour. I think it's safe to assume under the right circumstances the difference between 2s and 3s is neglagable
4:02 actually there were no alpha company survivors from operation Prometheus, Tom and Lucy were from beta company and the only two survivors of the Pegasi delta raid.
12:26 was hard to read when I first came across it. Basically some Spartan who was missing half of his body gets to Curt iirc and reports the mission was complete before dropping dead into Curts arms. Speak of the devil, 12:50 is where I read it. Should've kept listening.
Doubtful, given that the effects were relatively similar. Further still it would probably produce negative effects considering how the S2 augmentation was performed. Their bodies were likely less adept at accepting any substantial changes in physiology.
I like it how the spartan 3 program was within the army while spartan 2s were within the navy. Then the spartan 4s became their own branch which sucked
Not directly related. But by the time where we are in halo infinite. I think it would be amazing if there was enough of a trickle down effect. That the technology used for the SPI armor. Would have made it to the ODST’s. Assuming they could streamline the manufacturing process, and make it cost-effective enough. That armor could make special forces units like odst’s significantly more deadly
ODST as an entire military unit/culture/espirit de corps, history/historical battles? Would love to see a whole breakdown of the organization within the UNSC
I only read the wiki. But my understanding is the spartan 3 was a army project using majorly chemical augmentations vs 2 being a morely specified gene augmentation.
Bonus one because of the chemical nature of the spartan 3s augmentations they will increase in potency as the spartan ages meaning at some point the Spartans 3s will definitively be the most powerful class that and I also agree delta company are most likely still being trained and integrated with the spartan branch because the orphans have nowhere else to go and the military has allready put so much money into them
Yeah its mentioned that all surviving Spartans from class 2 and 3 were invited into the gen 2 programs spartan branch most notably Jun being one of the people spearheading the program.
I personally think it would be interesting for you to do a video on some of the lore on some species of halo like a dedicated video for the unggoy or sangheili
I love the 2s, but the 3s imo are peak Spartans. Highly underrated, dying in droves but still committing to the mission no matter what the cost. Spartan 2s are heroes but to me the 3s are legends
Spartan 3s were always my favorites they are the 'disturbed' uncles unlike the Proud Dads that are the Spartan ll's. Spartan 3s like everyone during the warn made huge sacrifices but most of their sacrifices go unsung or unknown which really sucks. If Microsoft and 343 could've hit off better with the Spartan franchise we could've had alot of other spin offs like reach of sad but very important suicide missions or even developing frontier lore of spartan 3s abandoned still out there continuing the fight. It reminds me very much of If you never played halo wars than you wouldn't know how other Spartans, AIs beside cortana, and officers saved humanity and crippled the covenant. You'll only know what you played from the game, and then there is more to even be said in the books XD.
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Speaking of the augmentations, I always wondered why Chief needed a flashlight in the original trilogy knowing that he could pretty much see in almost total darkness.
Most people just say ots for game purposes. Another thing for me is the expanded lore cam out after h1
Don't know if this could be canon, but my personal head-canon explanation is that the light just helps Spartans to see even better, similar to how first gen night vision scopes relied on infrared lamps to see better.
I thinking that maybe it could’ve been more of a benifit for any marines fighting along side him rather than for the benifit of cheif himself
Gameplay purposes. Also, in a close quarter combat situation in darkness/low light environments, having your opponent shining a bright light straight in your eyes is a huge disadvantage since you're temporarily blinded. Perhaps that's one of the uses of his flashlights, to blind his foes when needed. If you have played Halo Wars 2, you probably remember Jerome using said tactic, turning his lights on before fighting Banished brutes in a dark room. If my memory serves me correctly, the MJOLNIR helmets (or the ones fitted with cameras) can record stuff for intel gathering purposes, so a bright source of light is required; otherwise, the footages they get would be pitch black. In addition, our eyes need time to adjust to brightness or darkness. I don't think Chief (or any soldier) would have that luxury in combat to wait for his pupils to dilate/undilate, hence the lights.
it's not for him, its for you, the viewer, who doesn't have the ability to see perfectly in the dark. simple as that.
I personnally think most people consider 3s (and 4s) inferior to 2s because of the reason they were made.
2s were meant to be perfect
3s were meant to be expendable
4s were meant to be morally acceptable.
@xSARGEx117x cut training time doesn't necessarily mean worse. Purely because I vaguely remember Spartan 3 training ended up being more extensive, cruel, and tougher to make up for the less training time with a more emphasis on teamwork and comraderie than the Spartan 2s.
I also vaguely remember Kurt telling Halsey that if a Spartan 3 was wearing Mjolnir, they'd be on par with a Spartan 2.
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Nah, IIs are just better. That’s why.
@@Connor-073 i think the same but facts can Tell otherwise. With the same technologue and training, IIs are better for sure but...
3s augmentations were developped ans upgrade from the résulta if the 2s augmentations
3s have been trained by a Spartan that understand Spartan capability
2s were trained from infiltration missions against insurectionnist. 3s, to fight the covenant.
3s didn't had the same budget for their equipment, so they had weaker equipments. If Put 2s un SPI armor, Will they still ne better than 3s?
@@pascallavoie8417 Spartan IIIs are as strong as IIs, but the IIs combat training hits DIFFERENT.
The IIs were trained since the age of six years old.
If we put them in SPI armor, we’ve got to remember how much faster they are genetically.
We’ve got to remember that their bones are encased in TITANIUM and some shit.
We’ve got to remember that they are THE Spartans.
Not some fodder designed to die. I’m not saying the spartan IIIs are weaker, Im saying the Spartan IIs are more skilled and knowledgeable of combat.
So, a Spartan II would beat a Spartan III, BARELY.
Spartan 3s are the most narratively interesting generation imo, so I’m excited to see if this holds new information for me!
Yeah it's like a more human spartan but not goofy like s4rs
@@johnmacangus2634 I like the 4s because they are a natural evolution of the Spartan program and shows how far humanity has come since the beginning of the H-C war. I’ve never found them to be goofy, but I understand preferring the previous iterations.
@@J0J0Reference I see what you mean. I don't mean goofin a bad way but like they are more human in nature
Agreed. SII will always be the og for me but SIII are the real unsung heros IMO. They were trained from ages younger than Spartans, in harsher conditions, given inferior equipment and then after almost of decade of brutal training sent on legit suicide missions that were expected to have 100% casualty rate.
Akerson might have been fighting for humanity, but he had zero concern for the sanctity of life or the suffering of those under him.
@@comancheclub3449 I believe it was either Kurt or Mendez that commented on Ackerson, saying he would sacrifice his entire family if the opportunity was there
Can you do “10 things you might not have known about Elites” next? I think that would be cool since the covenant side of halo lore is a part that I think many halo fans probably know less about as a whole.
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Remember when the 3's were created because someone felt small to Halsey. To go so far as to try and kill Chief in a training exercise with an anti tank missile.
Then tried to kill Master Chief and Cortana with ODSTs during a training exercise. 🤣
He paid for that mistake dearly and had a lot of explaining to do with Mrs after Cortana got done with him.
That shit was dirty as hell, too! Imagine endangering your entire species out of jealousy and pettiness
I think this is a fascinating showing of humanity and it's relevance to the real world because it goes to show that even with xx on the line that humans will still human or just that there are still people who will let their pride and ego get in the way of goals regardless of their importance.
Akerson 😂 what a bum
It is amusing to watch Halsey and Ackerson competing for the award for "UNSC's top war criminal" while saving humanity on the side.
Surely I can’t be the only one who thinks that a game where you play as a headhunter team would make an awesome coop experience
Hell yea halos version of army of 2
Yeah you got a good idea there. An assassin theme of stealth, seek and destroy?
That would be really cool. I also thought it would be cool to play as a normal marine during the first contact on harvest. Or a game where there are different missions but you play as different people. Some missions are a success, while others are complete failures.
ive been wanting to fight the Innis since halo 3.
That's basically what ODST coop was:
* Weaker than the Chief and Six, but still superhuman (carrying turrets around and surviving plasma shots, just like Spartans wearing SPI instead of Mjolnir).
* Recharging shields, even if the game used a different name (which Headhunters had on their SPI)
Spartan 3s are not weaker than Spartan 2s. Spartan 2s were given Mjolnir while many 3s were not. That's the whole point of them. They're SEVERLY underrated.
Agree 100%. I actually like Spartan 3 program more then 2’s. Just like there is a certain minimum level of augmentation required to out preform a elite, there is also a necessary quantity of those quality soldiers needed to compete with the covenant army. If you can only produce single digit production percentages of Spartans compared to the covenant‘s quality elites, hunters, and brutes soldier production; your going to loose the war. Hence why I appreciate the Spartan 3’s quantity and quality! The bonus is it opens up new ways of using Spartans for the necessary self sacrifice missions that otherwise would of been too expensive to even be viable long term.
Plus being developed by being kidnapped to fight your own people trying to break free from Orwellian State control is, in my opinion, a less cool vibe. Way cooler to be a part of a elite Spartan program with the numbers to make a difference in the war, from a pool of orphans looking to inflict vicious vengeance upon the covenant.
Now was it perfect? No the augmentations still required a minority of the human population to be genetically comparable but did it succeed in their goals.
More quantity then Spartan 2 ✅
More cheap then Spartan 2 ✅
For most anti-covenant purposes, just as good as Spartan 2s; doing all this wile being forced to use by necessity inferior quality equipment but on a value Analysis they made the most of it. ✅
Note: Later Spartan programs were able to seemingly acheive more mass production but that technology was not matured enough in time during the Human Covenent war. They needed more Spartans yesterday during that war so the Spartan 3 program was nesciary stop gap. 3s armor may have lacked energy shields but if did have active camo which is a much wiser choice for budgeting, spec ops and espionage. And in my opinion the later generations of Spartans that have mass production don’t have as cool of a backstory. So for me 3s are a nice middle ground. Cool backstory. Making a lot with less. Necisary sacrifices. With numbers to try to make a difference.
I believe all but a few were given SPI armor, which was a cheaper alternative to Mjolnir armor. If I recall correctly, it has a type of cloak rather then a shield.
@@NoodleswithADHD yes they have photo reactive plating that made them have discount active camouflage. Super based IMO. Energy shields have limits but you can’t hit what can’t see. You can’t even fight what you don’t notice. More survivable to stealth past Beam Rifle Jackals then go in visibly guns blazing. Most Spartan 2’s didn’t active camo at the time so mass producing it for the 3s would have been a huge deal. Even still some Spartan 3s like Noble team got energy shielded Spartan 2 armor but ,for the most part, majority made due without.
@@NoodleswithADHD The SPI armor had both. its just that one would draw power from the other in order for that mode to perform at maximum capacity. like the cloaking would fizzle or static when the shields recharged. Headhunters being the best of the best got a more advanced version of SPI
On a separate note, you are correct that a few had the privilege of using Mjolnir, such as Noble Team being equipped with MK V
The 'hole point of them' is to make spartan cheap that means that means the changes aren't as good 25% worse by my estimate
I’d like to see special facts about certain Spartans. Like the fact that Kurt was like an 8’ tall giant.
Installation00 has actually made a video all about Kurt. “Kurt-051 Lore and Theory”
Out of the spartans Gen 3 were my favorite just for the sheer tragedy and importance they had in the expanded universe. Doomed to die but always win at the cost of their life.
I've always sided with Halsey in her reaction to Akerson and discovering the SIII project. At it's core, Halsey actually loves her SII's and we know they are her children. Akerson felt nothing for the SIII's, and this makes it so much more tragic.
I also love the Ferret Team stories and how they view Veda as mom, and in turn how she has become mom.
Kurt is more comparable in regards to the Spartans and how he viewed them than Ackerson, whom was barely in Ghost of Onyx after pitching it.
Kurt loved his Spartans and it's still just as tragic as Kurt felt powerless and responsible for the destruction of Alpha and Beta company, despite that not being anyones fault (well ONI is to blame since 3s didn't have any logistical support like the 2s)
Well atleast the program was relatively safe and zero kidnappings were conducted and to be fair everything was going shit during the spartan 3 program. I actually hated Halsey's reaction to "her" spartans hey lady if youre gonna kidnap and treat me like a labrat which we barely survive btw the last thing i would want is for you to act like my mother atleast akerson is honest.
Some of noble team also view Dr Halsey as a mom and maybe even some other spartan 3s too.
@@ezyo1000that's the sad story of a spartan, at least they had a father figure of sorts
Ermm...she did sanction their kidnappings, directly kill many of them with unsafe surgeries and subject them to awful training as well as making their parents suffer abhorrent crimes against humanity
Everytime I see my Spartans represented I'm overcome with pride. Thanks again for honoring them, 00.
Sadly the 3s became the sacrificial Spartan generation even though after the 2s were probably the most dangerous generation of Spartan to come across in battle.
Unlike the child abducted and brainwashed 2s the 3s comprised of the volunteers which mostly comprised of survivors of Covenant attacks.
A single revenge seeking Spartan is a scary thought. Now let times that by a few thousands.
reading dante’s death was shocking. the way they worded it was honestly horrific to visualize from kurt’s perspective. casual conversation into short realization into instant death all the while kurt was gauging his reaction(and lack thereof) to his wounds while he was running up to him(donte was running to a stationary kurt with a huge hole in his chest) kurt knew that donte was literally a deadman walking that didn’t know he was already dead😨
"sir, I think I got nicked."
I actually knew all of these.
Spartan-IIIs are my favourite generation of Spartans. There’s just so much depth and lore there, like we still have loose ends out there like Kevin-A282, the Spartans of Gauntlet, Red and Echo Teams that Jun mentioned in Reach, and who have been confirmed Spartan-III teams, Spartan-B170 and more recently (prior to Infinite’s launch) a team of Spartans who appeared in London and saved Agryna, and who I personally believe are Spartan-IIIs who were equipped with similar armour as Naomi-010.
That’s without diving into Headhunters and Gamma Company Spartans. I still do hope 343 keep some mystery around this class of Spartans though, while tying up the loose ends I mentioned, because it is perfect for creating our own Spartans, myself having a few that I created with backgrounds and portfolios.
Anyways that’s all I wanted to say. You can probably tell how much I enjoy this topic of Halo
Naomi is a Spartan II test piloting the MV5 core of Mjolnir Mark VII, but yes, similar armor and possibly twos or threes (threes more likely, given their size in comparison to pre-augmented Agryna) who could have also been test piloting the armor. It's actually possible that one of the three Spartans was Naomi, and the other two could be Tom and Lucy, or maybe Ash and Olivia, if they were later given Mjolnir.
@@swimmerofage2148 those are good suggestions but it cannot be Tom, Lucy, Ash or Olivia as they were currently on Onyx then later in the actual Dyson Sphere as the Battle of Earth was unfolding
It could be one of the two new cat 2 team made cannon, teams anchor and strider
Literally love creating a back story for my spartan 3, simply bc its so much fun and brings a lot of mystery
Spartan IIIs were always my favorite. They may have met some (albeit looser) genetic criteria, but their main trait was their motivation. I always loved sheer will more than some kind of hidden talent. Basically, they had that DAWG in them.
Makes me sad to think that most of the 3s never got to hit their full potential. Noble team were some of the few to actually hit adulthood, and Kat and Six were barely there, at 22.
My take when it comes to comparing "out of suit" capabilities of S2 and S3 is that S3's are capable of what the people running the S2 program expected the S2 augmentations to achieve. In the book "Fall of Reach" i believe there is a part after the augmentation where Mendez and Halsey are observing a training exercise where two instructors were fighting against blue team. The instructors were in early gen tethered power armor and Halsey was susprised at how fast, agile and powerful the Spartans were. The theory there being that their genetics not only allowed them to survive the procedures as was expected, but synergized with them and allowed for greater then expected results.
S3 augmentations were broad scope enough that they didn't need that exact of a physical match to qualify and thus the augmentations, now improved and with a higher chance of success, could be much widely applied. But the results were the EXPECTED results of S2's not the bonus synergy results. This also means that there is a small subset of S3's that by chance have the genetics to also synergize with their augmentations and be, for all intents and purposes, on par with an S2. The player character of Reach comes to mind, there are also headhunters and maybe a few other special cases.
This of course ignoring the "illegal bonus" Gamma company got which would give them an edge over S2's in an extreme situation. But no free lunches, comes with a massive downside.
Spartain III's are my favorite generation tbh
I've seen someone claim the Spartan-2 augmentations are inherently superior to the Spartan-3 one's specifically _because_ their augmentations are more invasive and frequently fatal. As opposed to the canon, where Spartan-3 augmentations are considered superior for the exact same reason.
Spartan 3's were meant to be a cheaper alt to the spartan 2, though there were some spartan 3's that were basically strong as spartan 2's i.e. Noble 6
I had someone argue that Spartan-4 was superior to a Spartan-3 my favorite generation just can't get W.
@@vps31 People tend to bring up the "cheaper" thing, but they always overlook a very important point; the _armour_ was the budget cut, not the Spartan.
The bulk of the cost of a Spartan-2 goes into their absurdly expensive, impossible-to-mass-produce GEN1 Mjolnir.
That's why most Spartan-3's got SPI Armour until it was replaced by GEN2 Mjolnir; it can be mass-produced cheaply enough to supply them.
@@williamgibson3862 I've seen that fairly often, they usually seem to think the Spartan-3 augmentations were "watered down" versions, when it was actually the Spartan-4's who got that dubious honour.
@@vegeta002 Exactly I have never read/seen a Spartan-4 fight elite's or spartan-2 without armor the 3s have a crap ton proof.
There’s a few things on this list that I didn’t know or couldn’t remember, like the younger part, at first I was surprised but then I remembered they were orphans or the under cover spartan 3s among the Banished that completely surprised me, and the facts about Gamma company was surprising.
Personally I think a “10 things you might not know about ODSTs”could be interesting or a 10 things about one of the alien species could be cool too.
George was just a really huge Spartan? I mean he was a lot bigger than the rest of noble, and that being one of the only size example of 2s to 3s next to each-other was probably a big reason for the misconception.
George was big by spartan standards in general
The whole "Smoother" thing regarding Gamma company's augmentation process sounds like the Earth Alliance Phantom Pain Black Ops unit's "Extendeds" mostly unexplained augmentation process in Gundam Seed Destiny.
Spartan 3s are not weaker than the 2s, they just wear cheaper armor. Put a Spartan 3 in the same armor as a Spartan 2 and he can become "hyper lethal" just like a Spartan 2.
Case in point, Noble Six.
It takes a special Spartan to be hyper lethal. Not just throw one in Mjolnir and they immediately become hyper lethal.
@@travisvanalst4698 I am aware. I was speaking specifically of Noble 6.
It wasn't just the armor, they were weaker yes, but it wasn't by a MASSIVE margin. That would be the Spartan 4s.
4:00 I'm sure it was a mistake bro, but Tom and lucy are Beta company Spartan 3s not Alpha company. All of the alphas died except jun. Also as far as 2s and 3s being equal, I completely agree until the Gammas enter the mix. The Gammas are just something else entirely man.
Source - Ghosts of Onyx
No it wasn't a mistake. Tom and Lucy are alpha, not beta company. Not all of Alpha Company died, Tom and Lucy were the only 2 survivors. They even wore the first SPI armor model.
@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Tom-B292
Lucy-B091
Both betas.
Jun is still alive so I guess one did survive.
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I forgot about their numbers lol
I would love to see an S III headhunters game where you’re paired up with a different partner depending on your playstyle after a psych evaluation quiz. I feel this would help you develop a deeper connection with a character that compliments you and your playstyle while you go and hunt down high value targets during the Human-Covenant war.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU finally a video showing that the 2's and 3's are the same. I have been in soooo many arguments over this and ppl never believe me, thank you so much for putting this to rest. The 3's will always be my favorite generation!!!! 😁
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so those extra enhancements are really more like insurance that they experience a super powered adrenaline rush
Spartan 3's are interesting and hopefully there will be more lore involving Spartan 3's
Could you look into Ilsa Zane?
I think her augmentations sound pretty interesting.
Especially if it would be possible to get rid of the side effects.
Gamma Company was my favorite, their status as the soldiers that need 'happy' pills was hilarious. however, its surprising it took Kurt -051 the complete loss of two companies to look into what can give his spartans an edge to help them survive these suicide missions.
I knew about the mass deployment and suicide missions including the tragic story of Tom and Lucy, the fact that Spartan 3 was done behind Halsey’s back and the existence of the headhunters and that the best of each class were separated as for what I didn’t know I was under the impression of Spartan 3’s being slightly inferior to Spartan 2’s, I had heard some things about humans in banished ranks but nothing about Spartans I also hadn’t heard about gamma’s additional modifications and the new class that was heading to Onyx or even about Onyx being a shield world. all things considered yet another amazing and educational video thanks 00
I think the size misconception also comes from showing Jorge next to the Spartan 3s when in reality Jorge is just a big boi
I Really enjoy these lore videos. I know Fracture Cores are noncannon but I'd like a video about Yoroi, Eaglestrike, and Chimera
Infinitely better than kammysheps assessment of spartan 3s. Finally a creator who doesnt dog on the 3s and glaze the 2s.
Thank you for this video! I hope someday they come out with more headhunter lore. I always thought a game about them would be so cool
thanks for keeping up with putting videos out there 00 , it's very comforting to follow especially in the halo lore dry spell we live in
I’m new to your channel and really enjoy your stuff! I knew most of this but didn’t know about the headhunters. I may have to go back into not my books and look for them.
Saw the video and the first thing I thought was "Will he erroneously claim that Spartan III's augmentations were inferior to Spartan II's", and I'm glad to see you wasted no time shutting down that dumb myth. WHY so many people seem to think that Spartan III's were weaker than IIs, or that Lucy's height is the height for all of them is beyond me. They seriously need to reread Ghost's of Onyx, cause they clearly didn't get it the first time.
exactly lol. It literally states that Lucy was a dwarf compared to the other Spartans and the Spartan III augs were a quantum leap in comparison to the IIs.
Facts, I hate when fans feel the need to bring up S-IIs whenever S-IIIs are mentioned.
Not to be a pedant, but I'm pretty sure Tom and Lucy were from Beta company and were the sole survivors of Operation: TORPEDO, rather than Alpha's Company's successful but ultimately ill-fated Operation: PROMETHEUS.
Edit: Now that I've finished the video, I've got a couple of questions.
1. A while back, you made a video comparing the Spartan generations and noted that IIIs are, in fact, somewhat weaker and slower, based on known feats. While I can buy that many of the physical disparities will disappear with time, one thing I'm curious about is the Spartan neurological augmentations. You seemed to think that S-IIs are in a league of their own here, and IIIs and IVs, while significantly faster than human baseline, are still not quite there. The thing balancing out the Spartan generations is ultimately the Spartan Neural Interface and MJOLNIR, which bypass the central nervous system and most of the differences in physical strength. How much of that information would you say is still up to date?
2. While I was watching you discuss the illegal neurological Gamma-specific modifications, I found my thoughts turning to additional advancements made in Project ORCHID for the Spartan-IVs, and your belief that many of the new generation-specific augmentations were retroactively applied to prior Spartan generations. Wouldn't it be possible to create an artificial organ, or modify an existing one to perhaps produce the chemicals required to counteract the negative effects of the Gamma neurological augs, or are they perhaps too reliant on specific ingredients to do this, even with the UNSC's impressive bioengineering technology? I figured if they could make a Spartan breathe methane or get efficient nutritional value out of a tree trunk, this isn't a massive leap, but maybe I'm wrong?
Tom and Lucy are both from Beta company, so you are correct.
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem I posted this the moment I stumbled onto the apparent mistake in the video, but later information in the video gets their backstories correct, so I am sure this was a simple oversight during the recording and editing process, nothing to worry about.
You may be right about the UNSC being hella good with biotechnology, if I am correct the UNSC already had a cure for Cancer long before the Human Covenant War, so maybe?
No, they were from alpha. They were the only 2 survivors from operation torpedo where there were 300 of them attacking a Covenant refinery. They even had the 1st PSI armor model that wasn't vacuum sealed. They jumped in water to survive
the explosion and their helmets filled
with water.
It would be really sick for a book to come out. New S4 character POV, and that character getting to go on a deep dive of the history of the Spartans. A very non-combat heavy Halo novel. Character gets to meet the trainers from 117's training, finds the active S3s for interviews due to whatever reason. Then a major focus on multiple S4s learning and reacting to the factual information and feats of the prior generations. Close up on "What does being a Spartan mean to you? What IS a Spartan?"
And get the response from across the generations. Would be cool to see 117 answer that, but I'm already asking too much
3:50 if i remember right, tom and lucy are from bêta company. From what i remember, alpha company all got wiped out. Exept if a few were transfered before the operation, i cant remember.
Wait ............with the quality of these videos I would expect this channel to have 1M subscribers. Keep up the good work you will 100% get really big. Things working in your favor are the quality of your content and your near ASMR narrator voice you have. Awesome
Fun fact Spartans Hazel A302 and Owen B092 were also pulled from their companies
Also for everyone who still believes that spartan 3s can't hang with 2s Dr Halsey Initially mistook the spartan 3s of noble team for spartan 2s the giveaway was their age until she found out everything about the 3s she assumed someone made another class of 2s without her input she was half right lol
I know the 3s indoc and training regiment was tougher than the 2s
Imagine 4 year old kids doing static line parachute jumps into the training zone to kick things off.
I also know that the older the spartan 3 gets the more they develop and "synergies" with the chemical augmentations slowly but constantly evolving.
Thier are also a few 3s with the genetic markers required in Halseys selection for her 2s who received further augmentation such as the members of noble team who wear MJLONIR.
And as it is right now with the advancements in MJLONIR gen 3 that the Spartan 4 have paired with the surviving 3s capability.
Add to that the headhunters who are probably the most highly trained and most lethal Spartans out there that we'll never here about. The 3s are jus the best IMO
Another great video domain master . I did not know about 3s in the banished but that was it
Thanks for the better representation of my fellow Spartans
That death at 23:56 takes the piss happens to me all the time on legendary 😂
I’m other words spartan 2’s and 3’s were very comparable to each other and the only reason it is perceived that the 3’s are smaller and weaker is because they died so damned fast. Had many of them lived longer they would have eventually been equal size to the Spartan 2’s because the Spartan 3’s were injected with a catalytic compound that did everything that the original augments did for Spartan 2’s but over a longer period of time instead of an immediate boost that the Spartans would later have to adjust to like with the CAT 2 Spartans. I other words 2’s and 3’s were not as different as people seem to think but because most Spartan 3’s didn’t survive very long after aug they never fully developed cuz most 3’s were still very young in comparison and still had plenty of time to grow into the arguments they were given but never got the chance cuz they had a war to fight.
this video is epic, i so often try to argue that SIIIs are on par, at most slightly inferior to the SIIs and this video just put it into one easy package. I was unaware on the fact that the SIIIs could keep growing, with the knowledge of that and that they were rarely given Mjolnir, i can confidently say more then ever that they are hardly worse if at all.
As far as I've seen, only a handful of Spartan 3s were on par with 2s. The rest are inferior, but it isn't by a MASSIVE margin like the Spartan 4s.
‘Pretty sure most of us thought S3s were smaller because of Jorge. He’s just really big for a Spartan, be it 2 or 3, right?
Indeed, Jorge seems to be common "proof". Maybe they think all Spartans of a class are the same size or something.
Yea I think he was already tall for his age
Bro you’ve got one of the best speaking voices I’ve heard in a long time.
Wow, thank you! Much appreciated ❤
As someone who is playing an unarmored spartan 3 in DnD. This will help me flesh out some background stuff 😎
13:43 imagine being the elite or jackal that landed a supercombine on a spartan only to see them continue to run at you, ignoring the injury
While Spartan 3's are my *favourite* kind of Spartans, they are STILL in generell smaller than Spartan 2's due to the RIDICULOUS augmentation young Spartan 2's went through.
Ps. *Remember REACH*
They're only smaller because they didn't receive implants, and they didn't receive implants because technology and advanced augmentations rendered them useless. The Spartan III chemical augmentations provided them with every benefit that the Spartan II augmentations provided.
@@jasonzaragoza9413 I know... The Spartan 3 augmentation process was more advanced but like I said, they were in generell smaller than Spartan 2's
@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 I don't think they were generally smaller, but there was a greater variation of height because of the more lenient requirements. That's why Lucy was extremely short for a spartan while Kat, B312, and Jun were close to John's height with Kat and B312 being slightly shorter while Jun was a little taller.
@@flatarthur3161 There are different hights, but in generell Spartan 2=taller>Spartan 3
Excellent work as always.
My introduction to the Spartan 3's was from the book Ghost of Onyx. From what I remember was that they where throw away Spartans because they where sent in one way suicide missions. They where kids orphaned when they're world's where glassed by the covenant and secretly trained at an ONI base on a planet Called Onyx witch turned out a hidden Forrunner installation was also at
In theory Spartan III’s if they lived long enough they would keep growing becoming more bigger and powerful correct? Meaning they could surpass Spartan II and their only drawn back was not being equip with the same quality of Armor. Could they be the most powerful class then of Spartan?
The reason I thought S3 were less than S2 is that they were chosen because they are orphans, meant to be produced in mass, cheaply, and sacrificed. The S2 they were sought out with specific markers and were so expensive that they reduced the candidates by half. Kinda made it seem like quality (S2) over quantity (S3). Need to catch up on my novels especially about ferret team in the banished ranks!
Well you have to remember that humanity was huge, there where easily millions of children orphaned by the covenant, and only around 900 of those were selected as Spartan III's, so despite the fact that there were more quantity, Spartan III's only had slightly less strict genetic vetting than the II's did.
Great video I didn't know most of these facts or that 3's are basically on par with 2's after hearing for years that 2's were better from everyone haha. I hope you make a video like this for spartan 4's next, I am genuinely curious where they stack up to the previous generations and if they are inferior to them or not. As well as any other interesting facts about them as the current and newest generation of Spartans. Keep up the great work!
Spartan 4's are far inferior to 2s and 3s. Lesser training and lesser augmentations. The only thing that gives them a chance is their armor.
@@jasonzaragoza9413 Yeah I'm not that into the lore that I know the augmentations I just know that each generation had different ones Which I assumed was weaker augments each new gen but since the video said that wasn't really the case with 2's and 3's I wondered about 4's augments and how they stack up cause I don't know. So thanks for letting me know It's a shame their not as good as 2's and 3's but I still want a video on them as well to know more about them cause I enjoy infinite and my spartan 4.
@@Daniel-qx7tv yea the 4s are honestly just barely augmented to be slightly above normal humans in physical terms. Their armor makes up alot of the difference though, while 2s and 3s were augmented to be far beyond anything humanly capable. Without armor a 2 and 3 could probably manhandle a whole squad of 4s. Even with armor they could beat quite a few.
@jasonzaragoza9413 I'm pretty sure the Spartan-IVs are well above the average human in terms of strength and speed rather than just being slightly better, but yes, they are inferior to the IIs and IIIs.
Elite: Hey what are 12 kid
Spartan: breaths heavily
I'd love to see a video explaining what Credits are in the halo universe I have seen many lore video about them we just know they are used as currency
We need a spartan 3 head hunter game so god damn bad. Imagine a halo bounty hunter game in the human covenant war years.
Did you forget that the three gammas who became ferrets with Lopis, had a subcutaneous procedure where a implant was inserted into their skin to give the smoothers to them if they were on long deployments where they couldn’t access the injector smoothers?
Spartan 2s are the definition of "Sci-fi Super soldiers"
I think the misconception that S3s are smaller and weaker than S2s is born from the size difference between Noble team and Jorge, with most members of Noble team roughly 6ft 10inch and Jorge being 7ft 4 inch but we can't say this difference goes for every Spartan 2 and 3. It could also come from the differences between SPI used by the S3s and Mjolnir by the S2s.
Thank you, so many of the fans think 2s are better then 3s in augmentations when the augmentations are just as effective but chemical based.
The black screen in the beginning made me think my TV was off lol
I think you get into slippery fiction territory if you start accepting "the technology just got better and this cheaper, mass producible approach is better"
The Spartan 2's should always be fundamentally superior or it trivializes the lengths gone to to create them, not to mention from a time scale perspective they are getting past their sell by date anyways, no harm in letting them have the crown while they last.
Spartan 3's were an attempt to mass produce that cut corners but still had that high bar mark, goals were mostly achieved but with personality disorders and a kind of rampancy. It would be awfully strange if your cost cutting approach was better, let alone achieved first try.
Spartan 4's are Wall Mart mass produced and 343 should keep that in mind, maintain a serious professionalism but they are just augmented special forces, they need to lack that sharpness, scale and honestly I wouldnt mind if they kept the Halo 4 armour just to differentiate them.
It's all a balancing act and when your story telling starts slipping into "newer" = "better" you start losing what makes stuff interesting
the cut corner approach mostly applies to the armor though, which has been stated to be ridiculously expensive to produce, (of course then you have 343 who just disregard that fact and produce hundreds of armor sets for the 4s lol). unarmored, a Spartan II and III are near identical in skill; the IIIs having the better training while the IIs have the decades of experience. They'd have been better off just producing MJOLNIR armor for the 300+ remaining Spartan IIIs than developing a whole new (and far inferior) program.
Tom and Lucy were beta company and mostly survived due to being away from the main force of bravo during op:torpedo. Fire team foxtrot managed to get through the op with only 50% losses and in SPI armour where as there have been Spartan 2 fireteams wiped out by less enemy and also in mjolnir armour. I think it's safe to assume under the right circumstances the difference between 2s and 3s is neglagable
Didn't know about the chemical surgery stuff. So good shit dude
4:02 actually there were no alpha company survivors from operation Prometheus, Tom and Lucy were from beta company and the only two survivors of the Pegasi delta raid.
12:26 was hard to read when I first came across it. Basically some Spartan who was missing half of his body gets to Curt iirc and reports the mission was complete before dropping dead into Curts arms.
Speak of the devil, 12:50 is where I read it. Should've kept listening.
And I thought I knew most sparten 3 lore I guess 😅 thank you for making this video love hearing Halo lore
Could spartan 2s recieve chemical augmentation like the 3s to further enhance them?
Doubtful, given that the effects were relatively similar. Further still it would probably produce negative effects considering how the S2 augmentation was performed. Their bodies were likely less adept at accepting any substantial changes in physiology.
Probably not because the Spartan II's are already post puberty.
All these augmentations just to be done in with 3 clean shots center mass through titanium alloy armor when shields are down.
Where did you get the cutscene at 17:25
B312 best of the Spartan III
As a Spartan-3, in Indigo Company, Remember Reach.
I like it how the spartan 3 program was within the army while spartan 2s were within the navy. Then the spartan 4s became their own branch which sucked
what game is the footage at 12:33 from?
From the thumbnail, they like to sleep. I didn't know that.😂
What is the cinematic at 5:25? Never seen it before?
doesnt rlly look to be from halo. Reminds me of Mass Effect though
Not directly related. But by the time where we are in halo infinite. I think it would be amazing if there was enough of a trickle down effect. That the technology used for the SPI armor. Would have made it to the ODST’s. Assuming they could streamline the manufacturing process, and make it cost-effective enough. That armor could make special forces units like odst’s significantly more deadly
What is the cinematic at 5:58 from?
ODST as an entire military unit/culture/espirit de corps, history/historical battles? Would love to see a whole breakdown of the organization within the UNSC
I only read the wiki. But my understanding is the spartan 3 was a army project using majorly chemical augmentations vs 2 being a morely specified gene augmentation.
Bonus one because of the chemical nature of the spartan 3s augmentations they will increase in potency as the spartan ages meaning at some point the Spartans 3s will definitively be the most powerful class that and I also agree delta company are most likely still being trained and integrated with the spartan branch because the orphans have nowhere else to go and the military has allready put so much money into them
Yeah its mentioned that all surviving Spartans from class 2 and 3 were invited into the gen 2 programs spartan branch most notably Jun being one of the people spearheading the program.
One hell of a video!
Spartan 2’s are better though on average, as their selection standards are higher.
And because MC.
spartan 2s were the best spartans ever created.
I: The first but broken
II: The best but few
III: Many but expendable
IV: Seeds for a grand army, but hated by some
V: Yet to be discovered
What’s interesting about the Ferret Team on the spirit of fire after escaping from Castor and the Keepers they felt like they had betrayed him
You forgot to mention Hazel-A302 and Owen-B096 being pulled from their companies.
This was a great video
I personally think it would be interesting for you to do a video on some of the lore on some species of halo like a dedicated video for the unggoy or sangheili
I love the 2s, but the 3s imo are peak Spartans. Highly underrated, dying in droves but still committing to the mission no matter what the cost. Spartan 2s are heroes but to me the 3s are legends
I heard that Spartan 3's armor were weaker compare to Spartan 2' s because they cost about as much as a frigate. Is this accurate?
The mainstream misconception about spartan 3 height is probably reach. Jorge, the only spartan 2, towered over everyone else.
Spartan 3s were always my favorites they are the 'disturbed' uncles unlike the Proud Dads that are the Spartan ll's. Spartan 3s like everyone during the warn made huge sacrifices but most of their sacrifices go unsung or unknown which really sucks. If Microsoft and 343 could've hit off better with the Spartan franchise we could've had alot of other spin offs like reach of sad but very important suicide missions or even developing frontier lore of spartan 3s abandoned still out there continuing the fight.
It reminds me very much of If you never played halo wars than you wouldn't know how other Spartans, AIs beside cortana, and officers saved humanity and crippled the covenant. You'll only know what you played from the game, and then there is more to even be said in the books XD.
Even the books are inconsistent about this. Veta said they were less augmented during her first meeting with the pelican crew in Divine Wind.