Perfect Combos: Learning How To Pair Batteries With Tools
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2020
- Milwaukee makes lots of different batteries between the M18 and M12 line. But which batteries pair the best with which tools? Our friends from the Battery Innovation Center (BIC) go over the key differences in performance and why some tools are good with smaller batteries while others are best paired with larger ones.
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Pardon my allergy that wasn’t doing well on travel and weather changes. Great time hanging out down at OGHQ either way!
Corona :O
These were very interesting videos. For M18, why wouldn’t you just want HO 3s and 8s, for most jobs? The 6s are the same size as the 8s, just 1/2 lb less. Thanks again for the great info. The running batteries between 20-80% was very helpful.
Great videos with Matt, Ben. I watched both videos in full on a topic I didn't even know was interesting until I started learning from you.
Alleries 2020 hehe
Man, Matt couldn’t have asked a better guy to come walk through all that. You da’ man! That was super helpful! Huge thanks to you both!
Hey Matt thanks for doing this, These are the kind of questions that are asked but hardly ever answered sometimes it’s how you asked the question or asking it in different ways you get the full answer appreciate it very much👍
i was asking all these questions in my head during the unboxings and then this video answered them all!! thanks Matt
Last two videos have been very humbling. Lol. Thank you for taking the time to research this and bringing in an expert. Incredibly helpful. Love learning new things. This will definitely influence my order. Looking forward to next video
M18: Remove the clips and bit holders that come on the tools and replace with a 3rd party clip that won't tear up gear and get a bit holder that holds 3 bits. I replaced my clips with a single bit holder on each side of the drill/driver.
M18 Battery: 3.0 CP HO and 8.0 HO are where you want to spend your money. Compact for needs there and 8.0 for runtime and power. Dont mess with the 6.0's they are on their way out. Big tools, 12.0
I just wish Milwaukee had a power station like DeWalt that you could throw in for batteries and get 110 power out 4 corded tools or I like to charge electric skateboards
I've noticed and measured substantial performance increases when going to the XC-batteries over the standard, it's due to much higher current output capabilities.. Which is all the more important on a 12V tool.
With the 2.0's I can barely get through a 2x4 with a larger spade bit and the M12 Fuel drill driver, with the 6.0 it goes through like butter. Same with my stubby, it's struggling a bit with my lugs on the 2.0.. but with the 6.0 it knocks them right off.
Thanks so much for this! The last two videos have blown my mind! As you were talking about the different names for torque measurements that companies use, it made me think that it would be a great (but A LOT of work on your end) OG series to test and measure all the different drills, drivers, and ratchets to see what they’re actually putting out. Maybe start with Milwaukee and then add other brands like Dewalt, Bosch, Festool, Rigid, etc.
Another great video! Ben’s the man
Matt thanks for all the detailed videos on the Milwaukee line up. I'm a big Milwaukee fan and own a lot of their tools. One thing I want to point out is there is a big difference of power/torque between the M18 and M12 platforms for most tool types. An apples to apples comparison, the M12 Fuel hammer drill 2504-20 has 350 in. lbs. of torque and the M18 Fuel hammer drill 2894-20 has 1200 in. lbs. of torque. I love the raw power of the M18 tools and love the compact light weight M12 tools just as much.
i did use my m12 to drill out a striped head bolt in a toyota camry with a 1/2" bit... worked well... mine is the previous generation fuel drill.. not sure what battery i used.. likely one of my 4.0 batteries..
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Any plans to review the gen 2/3 of the 1/2 and 3/8 fuel impact wrenches?
With my m12 impact wrench I can definitely feel a power difference with a 2.0 vs the xc4.0 that I have which is contrary to what the expert said
You will, we discussed that. It’s always a balance of size/weight/power/energy for which battery to choose. What we discussed isn’t supposed to be a one size fits all for every user/use case. That’s why we said the kits are typically good start, then buy some selected batteries that can let you max power when needed, compact when needed, or power and capacity when needed.
Same
@@benwrightsman3137 sir at 2:12 when speaking specifically about the m12 impact driver you said that a 2.0 will get you the maximum power from the tool and going to a 3.0 only gets you extended use
Braden, Are both batteries exactly the same age, the exact same number of cycles, and did you run a characterization grading/capacity check? Keep in mind with batteries and how the systems work they are pretty precise but the exact SOH (state of health) to the everyday user isn’t easily known without some cycling and data collection. There is most definitely several factors with the batteries that you used for your test that would have had an influence one way or the other, very measurable ironically. We test thousands of batteries monthly and most users would be pretty floored with the variability in results and data. We actually have to do a grading process before we can do some of the characterizations that I referenced. So what I was sharing was all things being equal new to new what was a solid selection. Also keep in mind I don’t work for Milwaukee, I’m just a boring battery guy, ha ha. :)
@Ben Wrightsman and thats exactly the problem you dont use all the tools to know the difference 😂 all ur using is the knowledge of typical battery performance but thats irrelevant whenever the tool makes a big diff and the battery and tool work together to create more power depending on what u use and how low the battery voltage is allowed to go before it "dies" i would recommend getting hands on in all examples before speaking on the matter and i have all the tools in the video so im not speaking from lack of experience all except the inspection camera so im pretty sure i no the difference
Great fing video!!!!!
Give that dude some water
Doing furniture repair and some restoration, I run the M12 line. I have been thoroughly impressed with the power and capability. The only M18 tool I have is the random orbit sander. I am currently using an XC 5.0 battery with the sander but find it lacking endurance. I have considered purchasing a high output 6.0 for longer run times but was concerned it would add weight and cause balance issues with the sander. My question is this, how do you think the high output 3.0 battery would work? I am trying to maintain some performance while avoiding excess weight.
I haven't noticed much of a difference in the output of longevity of the 3.0 batteries, but I haven't done any actual testing.
The fuel screwdriver with 2.0 is 37NM but with 4.0 it jumps to 44NM which for a screwdriver is a considerable gain.
I spend the extra money for the HO 8.0 because the M18 HO 6.0 and 8.0 are the same size and weight.
Anything that hammer drills/chips/oscillates, do not put on the 12HO, an in some cases not the 9HO either. The battery will move around so much that it will ruin the connections where the battery snaps in!
Would the cp ho 3.0 provide the same power as a traditional 5.0. Any power benefits other than being more compact. Never mind. Sounds like they answered it.
On a impact the 3.0 capacity makes it so that you're aren't at peak power as long and constantly as the 5.0
The 5.0 is longer lasting but the ho 3.0 is stronger and more power but a little less run time
Love my cp 3.0s
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As essential worker we get tested. Dealing with allergy and weather change. Was driving me crazy!
watch out Matt that guy might have covid he was coughing quite a bit there. great video informative video!
Allergy. Weather change not helping.
i honestly use whatever battery i have available at the time... i try to use the larger ones if i have em and you would think with 49 batteries with about 20 of em being 12.0 or 9.0 i would have larger ones available all the time but somehow i don't... ive even been in a bind trying to finish up a job using my 10" miter saw and all i had left charged was my cp2.0. i used it and made several cuts to finish up... i've even used my cp 2.0 on my string trimmer and it was slinging grass everywhere... didn't last long but it had decent power...
First up! Great info on batteries!
Milwaukee again. Thanx. I love it so much. When is the next video coming? Haha
The m18 impacts absolutely have more power speed and torque than the m12 impacts. As well as longer run time. The 12.0 is not an HD. There is only a 9.0 HD, which has 18650 cells that are improved over the xc and cp 18650 cells. The 9.0 HD has more power and obviously longer run time than a standard xc or cp, even though it uses the same sized cells, they have better technology. You forgot to mention it when you went through all the types of batteries. There are 4 High Output (HO) batteries with the larger 21700 cells. the 12.0, 8.0, 6.0, and cp3.0. Even though the CP high output 3.0 battery is compact it is not in the same category as the standard cp 1.5 or 2.0. The 6.0 and 8.0 are identical in size, and have the same cells, yet the 8.0 has longer run time. Naturally the 12.0 has the longest run time. If you don’t mind longer charging times, go with the highest amp hour rated batteries from each category, as you will experience the longest run time and in some cases the most power. So in the m12 battery lineup that would mean the 3.0 cp and 6.0 xc. In the m18 lineup it would be the 2.0 cp, 6.0 xc, 9.0 HD, 3.0 cp High Output, 8.0 xc High Output, and 12.0 xc High Output.
see on the m12 line i disagree. i notice a increase in power when i use say a xc6.0 or a xc4.0 vs a 2.0 on mot all fuel tools. i try and run the xc on the m12 tool when i can. i do notice a little bit increase on the cp3.0 vs a 2.0 but not like a difference between the xc bigger batteries.
It's because the XC-batteries has higher output capacity due to more cells... It makes a noticable difference on my M12 stubby wrench.
I only run the XC6.0 batteries more or less, no reason to cheap out... But I do have a 2.0 for compact use when i can't fit somewhere.
You Coughing all the time bro. Corona?
not accurate info about the one key using more power... they have a replaceable coin cell battery built in...
You are OBSESSED!!!!! You have over 13hrs of content just in Milwaukee tools...
360p?
Why the hell would you ask this guy? He knows batteries he don’t go out there and use these tools. This guys has no idea what he’s talking about. The bigger batteries have more power and last longer. GET GUYS IN HERE WHO USE THE TOOLS. This guy was good for explaining the batteries but not which ones to use.
Agreed
Agreed 😂
Matt, I think dude is sick😳
Allergy and weather change. No fun.
No kidding! Someone offer that man some water!
here so quick its still in 360?!?!
basically in a nut shell ...yes you can use bigger batteries if you want.....thats it....
Hope nobody is trying to get any kind of meaningful power on the impacts our high draw tools without at least a 4 or 6 ah battery... The compact batteries are alright on small tools but anything that draws high amps, don't bother. Best bet is to use the 4ah because the cells in the 4ah have a higher peak amp draw then the ones in the 6ah
This guy is wrong adding more power with a higher battery well bigger battery makes a big difference the all m12 tools besides like the stapler and pin nailer stuff thats regulated over each trigger pull a higher battery will only make a longer duration whereas the other tool will get more torque or power with a bigger battery
I bend the clips out of the way. Dewalt and Milwaukee clips hit the larger batteries. Slightly bend the clip with pliers and ur Gooo
Second :D great video