Milwaukee Cordless Unboxing: M12 Drill/Drivers
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2020
- Have you ever dreamt of buying every single tool to figure out which ones you'll like using the most? Me too! So that's exactly what I did. It's time to start unboxing and going through the massive pile of Milwaukee tools. I'm going to break this up into sections and try to compare like to like as much as possible. Milwaukee makes many different kinds, so we're going to unbox and go through all of them.
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You would think this was on the Milwaukee Website. This is why I trust Matt Obsessed at its finest
Clicks video... sees a time of 1:04:39 and gets comfortable in chair
I have to defend the basic cordless screwdriver. For tons of basic household applications, it's a far better tool than an impact driver. Putting kids toys together, taking electrical face plates off, adjusting cabinet hinges... the list goes on and on. It's slower speed and lower torque is what you actually want for more precise tasks where a simple electric screwdriver is needed. It's absolutely worth the money, and it's one of my most commonly used tools.
You should make a list of ‘must haves’ and ‘nice to have’ so we can cut through it all, thanks for doing this by the way! Really appreciate it!
Henri Whiteman Agreed I’m good for two just tell me which one to get.
That’s the plan!
@@seattimetv in the other video he gave an overview of this project. He bought ALL the tools, and is going to go through everything real time, decide on what tools he will recommend and then focus on selling those tools directly. He will sell them at standard pricing to try and recoup his investment of time by selling the tools.
Your "nice to have" could be a lot different than my "nice to have." I use these tools in a professional manner, on a daily basis. So the Fuel line is definitely something I spend the few extra dollars on so that it is going to get me through the day without fail.
As someone who has M18 tools, the idea of a M12 screwdriver is very appealing. The M18 impact and hammer are ridiculous overkill for a lot of simple household tasks, a low power, light screwdriver is appealing.
Matt don’t underestimate the m12 screwdriver. You DONT need a brushless version of that, it doesn’t exist. It’s literally to make driving screws easy in low power applications. After you strip 5,000 screws you’ll appreciate that and the installation driver much more. Just about everything else go fuel. ONLY buy brushless lights ;P
I don't know how I just watched an hour long video about ONE line of Milwaukee drills. But I have no complaints :)
This is so awesome. No one does stuff like this on RUclips. Thank you Matt. Suggestion: Timestamp each tool for someone who is only interested in one or a few tools. Ordinarily an OG video is longer than the average and welcomed! If I was looking for a tool I would really appreciate a timestamp...even though I’m probably gonna watch the whole thing hahah.
X2 for the non obsessed.
Just to note. The M12 Surge is a great tool, but it's 450 in-lbs (37.5 ft-lbs) of torque. The M12 3/8" Stubby Impact Wrench has 250 ft-lbs. The Stubby has over 5x more torque than the Surge.
The Surge and any other Impact Driver will be used for screws, lags, or small bolt applications i.e. 10mm or less.
With the Stubby Impact Wrench you would be able to take care of higher torque applications like lug nuts on a personal vehicle.
Look forward to the next video. Love seeing the comparison between all of the tools.
Yes everyone it's an Anvil, don't act like you have never forgot anything before. He could have edited out that bit or re-shot, but instead shows that he's human like all of us. Keep it up.
Def helpful as I am currently shopping for my ultimate Milwaukee setup!
Missing the point on the M12 Installation Drill Driver. It’s a tool that works great for cabinet making and install. It allows drilling and driving in tight quarters, where once you drove a screw in sideways, you’re now able to use the offset chuck to drive it in straight or drill a straight hole, etc... It competes with the Bosch Flex Click and Festool ....(whatever).
yes we were all screaming the words clutch and anvil at the screen
What is the anvil? I know the clutch but never heard the term anvil. EDIT: Nevermind got to that part of the video lol
The M12 surge is rated at 450 in-lbs max torque which is 37.5Ft Lbs where as the Stubby impacts are rated at 1/4 100 Ft Lbs, 3/8 250 Ft lbs, 1/2 250 Ft Lbs. So the 1/4 stubby has 3 times more torque than the surge. Now the Gen 3 1/4 hex impact is rated at 1300 in lbs which is 108 ft lbs so this is on par with the 1/4 stubby impact driver. One thing that Matt does not mention when you use adapter then a socket it always adds more wiggle to the bit using a dedicated tool with only a socket on it reduces the wiggle and removes torque lost from extensions. This is awesome that Matt is reviewing all these tools since no one ever gets a chance to compare and contrast a whole tool lineup. Usually reviews are always the newest version versus the previous version.
For all those wondering, “cp” compact and “xc” extended capacity for the batteries.
The screwdrivers are fantastic for light duty work, electronics, kids toys, delicate jobs. I use my screwdriver over impact driver 3-1 for household use.
I can’t tell you how helpful this comparison is. It’s quite daunting going through Milwaukee’s line up of tools, so this segment is GOLD.
This video is great. Seeing these on their website vs a video of them in your hand is a huge difference. Thanks man!
On the 1/4 drive impacts the fourth setting is for driving sheet metal screws. It will stop before it snaps of the screw head.
My understanding is that the hex DRIVERS are impact drivers primarily for driving screws. I don’t personally see the need for the screwdriver. The stubby impact WRENCH has a significantly higher amount of torque and I use it more for taking off lug nuts, suspension work etc. Stubby is awesome for getting into tight areas when you use short impact sockets. You can put the “square driver thingers” on the hex drivers but you won’t see nearly as much torque.
Ideal setup is the fuel hammer drill, surge hex driver, 3/8” stubby impact wrench and an m18 1/2” impact wrench
The screwdrivers let you turn the screw by turning the handle for micro adjustment, vs an impact that disengages the drive from the tool
Screwdriver is good for interior work, small more delicate work. A screwdriver is a drill with a 1/4 hex bit holding chuck, so you can adjust the clutch to get a low to torque for door panels and the like.
It's the amount of torque applied and how much is put through.
The gen 3 m18 impact is 500 rpm.
But the screwdriver might be 50rpm etc, so much shower so you don't strip out screws
That is not an impact driver, but a dedicated screwdriver. Electricians use them a lot.
@@zagan1 Plus the screwdriver doesn't have an impact anvil.
Thanks for the super informative video Matt and OG team. Feel like a way more informed potential customer after watching this. Keep up the great work.
I use my m12 3/8" stubby for all my suspension work, I rarely attach an extension on there so I went with the 3/8". For heavier jobs like axle nuts or crankshaft pulleys, I use my m18 high torque 1/2"
For the impact drivers. The 1/4” hex input is called a “collet”. I have the m18 3rd gen fuel impact and the m12 surge. I use the surge for 90% of my daily tasks. Such a sleeper impact driver, quiet when you want but can drive home 3 1/2” fasteners better than the m18 brushed impact
SURGE is where it's at.
I TOO WAS SCREAMING AT THE SCREEN !!! "LOL" - love your "OCD" Bro !!!! Thanks for the great content!!!
Digging this series Matt I absolutely love Milwaukee Tools. I used to be a DeWalt guy with a wall of yellow. But the marketing team at Milwaukee has just taken over with the amount of amazing options for the home garage.
3/8 stubby impact gun is the must have for sure!! I also have a 1/4 impact wrench, but the gun can do absolutely everything, esp with a swivel.
The screwdriver is intended for electricians installing face plates and such. It’s also for heating and air conditioning mechanics opening up the cabinets on furnaces and ac condensers so you don’t strip the screws with an impact.
All the stubbies are keepers. When your tearing a motor apart you don’t want to be swapping sockets left and right just grab another impact. It’s all about time in automotive. But personal preference is what it is. I appreciate you putting in the effort to do such long videos for us. Can’t wait to buy from the store.
You're going to love the PACKOUT product line.
You had my subscription on your first Milwaukee video. I'm a big Milwaukee collector.
Also, keep in mind that the quick release chucks found on the impact guns can be used with quick release drill bits. Can be very useful for driving and drilling!
Matt, one more thing...the CP 2.0 batteries are nice, light weight and compact. For most tasks their sufficient, however for more intense applications the 6.0 amp will give you more power, torque and run time. If you haven’t tried it yet...runs 2.0 amp in your Fuel Drill Driver or Impact, then run the 6.0 amp. You’ll notice a significant difference in how the tool runs, e.g. more torque and power!
The impacts that have the four molds on top. The mode you keep calling drill mode is actually a self tapping screw mode. It’s designed to drive the self tapping screw and then stop as soon as it starts impacting so you don’t stripped out screw.
Lol I laughed when you said if your rich & famous I would go with both but that's you bro rich & famous....
you will LOVE the stubby 3/8 its such a great tool
Which drill do you recommend to use with the brush attachment, For shampooing the interior of a vehicle
Matt thank you for doing this.
Yes you're right Matt. Brushless tools will last much longer and run a lot more efficiently. Great content again, keep it up guys.
And so it's starts, the great journey, and many more to come.
1/2 chuck hammer drill, gen 2 impact, 1/2 stubby all you need and the best for money my opinion. good luck.
The extendable electric ratchet, the M12 Brushless drill+driver, and the M18 BIG BOY 1400lb Impact are the tools I use every single day as a technician at BMW. They outlast my coworkers Snap-On tools and I still do have an air Impact for leaving on the ground and doing wheels etc.
Just coming back to this video for a recap. I have the Surge and it can do everything the other tools do at a 90% level of that particular dedicated tool. Smooth and powerful for drilling and driving, and it’ll bust lug nuts with some effort. Just a great all rounder with the right hex bits.
Great job Mr. Obsessed! 👏 I started a mikwaukee addiction this last year -- like a needle to a vein my man!
I went through learning Dewalt, Makita and Milwaukee and subscribed VCG Construction channel to learn what i know now about the differences between tools. That channel did a great job of sharing the finer details of how each tool was engineered, ill be curious to see now Matt differentiates himself. Either way, I’m a lifelong subscriber
OG will quickly become one of Milwaukee's most valued retailers for sure!
That's the plan!
With only 225k subscribers hmmm i dont think so
@@jeremylujambio3132 Only? Go find something to get 1K and come back, GTFO
That installation driver is going to be a game changer for you. The main difference in the surge and the other impact is that the surge is quieter. It also has a little less power than the normal fuel m12 impact. It's best for indoor or closed area applications. It's still an awesome impact driver. I own the m18 version
Love this series
Can’t get over how cool it is the lifts can double as a bench 🤟
Nice. I have regular drill driver and Impact. I didn't know what I was doing but so far they have been great. Will probably upgrade to the stubby and hammer drill. The others can be backup.
It’s called the clutch. To adjust the torque setting to avoid over tightening.
Quite frustrating that he didn't know this part...love Matt, but this is table stakes. Still will buy from OG when possible, though.
You have no idea how hard it is to sit in front of a camera, with no script and spout of specifications off the cuff. All others cut, go and look it up, and then pretend they knew it. I nail it about 80% of the time from memory and experience. I’d pay to watch you give it a whirl.
@@ObsessedGarage I wouldn't even worry about the haters man. One of the reasons I love this channel is because you are a straight shooter. Who gives a shit if you don't know every function off the top of your head, of the hundreds of tools you have there! People need to understand the bigger picture of what you are trying to accomplish here.
@@ObsessedGarbageDotCon i agree. Theres a reason why hes been at it for years and only has 220k subscribers when people that dont know anything have millions
Obsessed Garage I know I wasn’t having a dig at you, you asked for someone to help you out and say what it was called so I did.
The fuel drill drivers (tool 3&4) do they have a ramp speed when you pull the trigger to full immediately when you are set to the lowest torque setting? I have one in the drill lineup that does and it is incredibly annoying.
CLUTCH!!! For the love of God, man.... it's a freaking CLUTCH!!! 😁🥃👍🏻
I'm glad I went for the 3/8" stubby impact wrench,if you have a bigger 1/2" high torque gun,the 3/8" for smaller areas is great
Matt, we call the sku ending in 20...”Tool Only”. Because that’s all you get is the tool, sans the battery(ies), Charger and bag or box.
You should pick the best tool for the application. I dont need 300ft/lbs of torque on a 1/4" drive impact gun to screw in a 4mm bolt. Torque should *not* be the only measure of how good a tool is imo. Ease of use, battery life, practicability, portability, torque level adjustments etc should all be made priority over just looking at the torque specs.
Well said.
I use the 1/2 Stubby for suspension work all the time it’s a must.
The 1/2 and 3/8 Stubbs are beloved by mechanics
"my milwaukees blocking all my drawers" lmaooo flex of 2020?
I wish I had a video like this when I first started buying milwaukee tools 😄
Something that you missed was the M4 screwdriver. I have that and the M12 screwdriver. The M4 screwdriver is a tool that many people should have around the house. The issue is that very few people know it exists.
thank u for doing this, so I don’t have to do . The M 12 line was the best business decision I’ve ever made , for the cost the flexibility the reliability and the overall weight a ounce I can feel like a pound at the end of the day . I just finished a all night engine replacement, my feet hurt but my hands done.
Buckle in. Can’t wait!
Oh and not sure if someone already mentioned, but the surge impact is 450 in/lbs not ft/lbs. You need both! Though lower torque spec over the traditional, the surge design is supposed to have better sustained torque over the traditional impact and last longer.
The half inch stubby is the best!!!!! 250 ft pounds. Fits in tight places for break jobs and suspension work and will remove most lug nuts. I love mine
This is epic! Thank you thank you so insanely much I can't even begin to describe how bad I've wanted to do this to figure out which I should get
Hey Matt, I ordered a Hammer drill from
You as my all purpose drill. Do you recommend a kit that has driver bits etc?
I’m sure Matt will review these videos 3 months from now and will learn the words collet, clutch, ball bearings and will shake his head, bravo Matt for sharing your learning experience with your followers!
I’m in the m18 platform but I got the fuel hammer drill and surge combo. It’s straight🔥the surge is so quiet.
The m12 surge is cool!
I have the 3/8" Stubby and I would say it's one of my most used tools when working on cars. I would say it's a need. Though I did just get the new 3/8" Right Angle Impact and that's pretty nice also. Can fit into more areas the Stubby can't and has pretty similar power. If I need more power I bring out my big M18 1/2" High Torque.
The dial on the drill drivers and screw drivers with the numbers is a torque setting that will stall the tool when that torque is reached. not sure what scale the numbers actually refer to. the 4th setting on the m12 fuel impact driver and surge is a “self tapping” mode, used for driving self tapping screws into sheet metal, it will start the tool on a high speed, as the the self tapping portion of the screw is drilling. when the tool senses the screw is beginning to fasten, it will slow the speed automatically to avoid stripping the self tapping screw!
just subbed! love Milwaukee tools!!
Daily use the 1/4 screwdriver, and just like you said, you definitely need an extension. I use a hex 1/4 and a 6" extension. Perfect for small screws and delicate work. I might upgrade to either the stubby 1/4 or the fuel.
the tension adjustment is called the clutch. So you would say it has 15 clutch settings or whatever the number of clutch settings is
Very enjoyable & interesting presentation to a tool novice like me.
3/8 square drive impact is the tool for a full-time mechanic. If you're constantly taking off wheel nuts and other larger-sized bolts/nuts, the square drive is a better fitting than having to use a hex to square adaptor.
I would be curious to see in your testing if the stubby impact wrench would be enough to take off car/ truck/ trailer wheels. If so that would be a great addition to a vehicle tool bag.
nice video, i have the exact 3 tool you recommended haha (i dont like the hammer drill clutch tho) but i'm considering the fuel hex screwdriver for assembly screw since it seems to have a low end torque setting clutch with less wrist twisting...
You really should have had a Milwaukee rep with you going over the specs as you talked about the products.
We here and I'm ready!
Brushless also means longer runtime and increased power due to higher efficiency. The designers essentially build a dc to ac inverter into the brushless tools in order to eliminate brushes. After adding that electronic complexity the motor can effectively be a three phase ac design with permanent magnets, even though most call them dc brushless motors because the battery is dc. The downside of brushless is slightly lower reliability because of its power electronics, which a brushed version does not have. In most cases a brushed version never needs new brushes in the hands of anyone other than a tradesman who uses them constantly. So in many cost propositions, the lower cost of a brushed version wins the sales competition. Especially when you can get a two brushed tool set (drill & impact) with batteries and charger for less than $200. At that point the casual user may simply buy the tool only recip and or circular saws.
As far as the screwdriver being used as a drywall gun, I've never seen one used like that. They have a specific, dedicated/purpose built drywall screw gun that has a lot more features on it. Although I am obviously not on every job site on this planet, so there can be that one, off chance that a new guy only has that screw driver. But he'll be so slow, that he'll either not make enough money, or get the hint and buy an actual drywall screw gun.
I know a lot of electricians that use those screw guns. They are light and easy to use, plus they don't sink the screw all the way through the plates, and crack them.
Honestly I use my installation drill/driver kit as a main for my heavy duty automotive a/c job. The offset and the 90 are my favorite; and the fact that they just snap on and off to swap them is great. That and the fuel stubby. That stubby is bad A..
Hammer drill, 1/4 surge, 3/8 stubby impact. That’s my setup everyday at work. The 1/4 impacts can do everything the screw driver can so no need for that.
Also, the torque specs are inaccurate, especially on the surge (it can’t compete with the 3/8 fuel impact). I use the surge primarily for interior work when I’m in an enclosed space (under dash/interior work) as it doesn’t have the high pitched impact noise.
The surge is quieter because it hits softer which in turn means less power. Always buy the non surge versions if your looking for power and if you want a quieter impact buy the surge versions
Matt could you cover the difference between and impact and a power drill and what conditions you would need when? Also the different settings with the clutch and positions for drilling. Asking for a friend.
An actual Auto Tech will use 1/4 stuff like crazy. 1/4 & 3/8 stubby along with the fuel ratchets will be their go to.
3/8 extended ratchet or 3/8 stubby? Main use is for DYI automotive work.
The stubby impacts are a must have, I have the 3/8 impact wrench and it an amazing tool. Good enough for everything, does wheel nuts and suspension. I just adapt it to 1/2in drive if needed.
I also think that the impact wrenches bolts impact different then the impact drivers for screws. Being able to use an dedicated impact socket without an adaptor is a big benefit too, get more torque.
I usually run my m12 stubby impact with a deep socket it's the perfect size.
Have you used Metabo? I have the KHA 18 LTX BL 24 with the integrated dust extractor. It is really well made and works great! They are German made but Hitachi bought them 4 years ago. Something to try in the future maybe?
Let's see how that surge and the regular fuel compare with 4 to 6" lag bolts.. Also, that's some crispy video on the B camera. Can't wait for the rest of this series, I will definitely be a buyer
Some OG cases like that would look sick especially with that pick and pluck foam inside like a pelican case to create your own set up.
You will love the combo drill/driver set and all of its attachments! The offset is very useful. I also have the 3/8 stubby and it is sweet. The M12 has a lot of value, I own several. I'm a tool junkie though. The drill drivers and the installation driver are meant for different applications versus the impacts. You use them when you need the benefits of a clutch. Nice video but a little hard to watch at the same time.
EDIT: nevermind lol, i made this comment after he talked about the 1/4" only.
Kinda funny how the Stubby impacts are the ones you don't want because i've come across so many car youtubers who rave about them because of they high power but small form factor for getting into tight areas when working on cars. Some people ditch their M18 impacts for the stubbys.
They are the absolute best! I use mine every time I work on my car and its just amazing. I used to be a fool and just use a 1/4 adaptor on a impact drive but then I got a impact wrench and my mind was blown on how useful it was.
Yeah, I love my M12 stubby 1/2 impact. I'm not sure why you would want an extension on that, as that makes is not as compact, which is one of it's biggest advantages. I rarely use an extension.
Mine came with an adapter to 3/8, but that's in Europe. I didn't see it here.
I'm sure that you'll get to combos eventually, but the huge combo winner from these guys is the Fuel hammer drill and the Surge impact driver combo (2582-22) - It feels expensive for 2 smaller tools, but it's the perfect kit (two compact 2.0 batteries, which are perfect for this size tool). Please, PLEASE stock this kit!
Sure, I can go order this from Home Depot (stores don't stock it, because presumably Home Depot is clinically insane), but I'd rather honor the source on this one.
Yep, kits will be next once I pick the entire line.
The stubby 3/8 or 1/2 will zip lugs off all day long on the small battery. I have the 1/2. Compact and great for travel or track days. The surge is not the same application, it’s a driver and not a wrench designed for removal torque.
41:36 Matt you didn't end up unboxing the fuel impact version.
3/8 long ratchet, 3/8 stubby impact, and 1/2 high torque are the place to start, sub in the die grinder if you don’t work on trucks...
45:06
I don't know if impact 1/4" sockets exist. Maybe regular sockets can be used without being cracked or broken.
Looks to me like the dedicated screwdriver has one advantage in that it has a clutch? I'm a new homeowner and building my tool collection from scratch and decided to go with these tools :)
Every time he said you want this. I have this.
The Stubby's are the best... performance is amazing... I have the 3/8.
Did Matt review the M12 SDS Fuel?