Well magnus is not technically a traitor anymore since he already had a talk with his dad. Also he is now actively trying to come to terms with his new form that the emperor will take advantage of, making chicken jokes to the point of magnus going horus heresy 2.0
It’s still my hope Alpharius is still around. It was prophesied that the 20th Legion would play a major role in the fate of the galaxy. And besides, all the other primarchs are demon princes, if any have a chance at redemption it’s gonna be Alpharius!
To be fair, Griffith wouldn’t be Fulgrim... he’d be Magnus. Except everything was totally on purpose and thought out, instead of being a series of rash decisions that doomed his allies.
Question- what happens if a single traitor marine converts back to the Emperor. For example a marine was so loyal to the Primarch Magnus the red, that in the beggining of Horus heresy he fallowed his primarch to the trecherious way, but after seeing where it leads , he decides to go back and fight for the emperor, because all bad he did ,was driven by his loyalty and duty so he maintained his sanity.
It is allowed and there has been documents where chaos space Marine have been accepted the punishment but only if you haven't showed any sign of chaos in your body no second arm no horns or wings or bloated body if they show none of chaos then they will have to take the penance mostly a hundred years crusade some get of lightly 30-50 years if they survive then they're name will be listen in the Halls of honor
I'm so ready for Lord Dorn to finally return, but I really want Konrad Kurze to return and spook the Imperium again if I have to pick a traitor Primearch. Either him or Perturabo.
Konrad Regiec He didn't trust the Emperor, though at the same time the Emperor didn't fully trust his sons with his knowledge, or at least, failed to recognise their weaknesses.
magnus did wrong, but not purge wrong... like slap on the wrist wrong. Russ was an idiot fooled into doing naughty shit by horus. thats it. magnus is the only one to turn unwillingly out of no choice
My thoughts exactly, what happened to Magnus was nothing but a brilliant example of shitty management, what Magnus did was with every best intention, best book in the series by a long way I almost cried at the end of it despite knowing what was going to happen already, impressive writing :)
Yes he was an idiot, he did what he was told even though he knew deep inside he was fucking up, that blind faith in authority is the reason why we cant have nice things.
i really like your content man, its not as like "professional" in terms of flashy voiceovers but i can tell it's a real passion of love type deal and i really enjoy listening to you. like you stutter and i can tell alot is off the top of your head or loose script and i really appreciate the realness and youre one of my favorite channels to learn about warhammer. hope this comment doesnt come off wrong or rub you in a bad way keep it up man!
I don't know if it's this channel or no, but someone has already made the exact video you requested bro. I'll try to find the link and post it. Standby for the standby!
Suggestion: I honestly would be interested in a 40 facts about "The Twelve". First time hearing about them but they sound pretty interesting if there's any further lore on em.
Many of the Primarches that fell to Chaos have the saddest stories. Magnus did no wrong, but instead, he tried to prevent the real threat from happening granted he broke his Father's rules to do so. Fulgrim (Spelled incorrect) screwed his own life up by taking that damn sword. Anagron suffered from the Butcher's Nails that were stuck in his brain. So, he was in constant pain. As for the others, they mostly joined Chaos out of small reasons that cloud their judgement of their own situation. Overall, each Primarch had their own reasons for leaving the imperium; however, I blame the Emperor due to what he didn't tell them or show them.
especially lorgar if watch some of luetin's emperor of man videos it really hammers into the flaws and ultimate downfall of lorgar who was loyal to a religious degree which the emperor didn't like so the emperor basically performed exterminatus on lorgars home planet just to prove a point.
@@roaringlaughter3812 I know what mean. Like, he really wanted to give humanity hope, and the Emperor of Man didn't never understand why men, women, and children needed that one concept he looked at as a waste or useless.
Be kind of cool if both Alpharius and Omgeon are alive but one of them becomes redeemed. Already much speculated upon. Coolest traitor legion and a big part of why is that we just don't know what they are up to or why.
Reading the Sons of the Hydra currently and see that Alpharius has now been confirmed dead and Omegon heavily implied to be alive and wants to return to the Imperium. If Omegon unites his renegade sons into a united legion once again, is there any way that they can return to the Emperor's Light? How would Guilliman react?
Bit unlikely and that would be disappointing. They are supposedly the smartest primachs, have had the best training by the emperor and operate more like assassins than marines. They must have a secret mission to protect the human race no matter what. Both are surely alive and amassing huge numbers, intelligence, tech and positions of power for 10 millennia now. They could have infiltrated most of the imperium by now. They sure have their own Mechanicus division and would be easy to conquer hundreds of worlds without anyone knowing. Or hide forces as rogue traders, explorators or even black ships. Imagine not being hindered by bureaucracy, limits on (here)tech or morals? They never have to waste troops or resources unless for the long game!
That's how they should be, but the writers for 40k and 30k are idiots who just rehash the same "traitor legions are idiots and super-duper Dorn/Girlyman are better than everyone and everything". The way Alpharious died infuriated me to this day.
Laughing Man I thought they hinted all Alpha Legion marines could pose as Alpharius so you'd never know? With mechanized power armor and bionics, there is no benefit to being 7+ feet tall all the time. Marines that could pose as humans could infiltrate anywhere. A nondescript human sized primarch could be anywhere and never be found. And when you want to be big and imposing, just don the right bionics and armor! Aren't both Alpharius and Omegon supposed to be incredibly strong psykers? At least one of them could specialize in divining powers, and steer the future from the shadows. They could even hide among the Astra Telepathica or one of the Assassinorum and recruit from there in secret. Working with the eldar also seems a good and fitting move, especially the harlequins.
Angron is probably dealing with his off the chart blood pressure, dude is gonna blow out an artery at some point and i imagine his chaos doctor probably has him chilling at home on blood pressure medication and ativan listening to ocean sounds
Question: Will the empire splinter into separate factions, maybe space marine chapters ruling huges separate kingdoms? I think it'll be funny if say Dark Angels try to take control of the Dark Imperium beyond the rift. Maybe the purpose of the Alpha Legion was to creat an independent faction? I'm also fan of the idea the Scattered Legions never died nor returned to the Imperium. Instead they carve out whole kingdoms on the outer fringes of the milky way, controlling some Rogue Trader dynasties and joining/posing as Death Watch companies to hide their existance from both Imperium and Chaos. Is there any chapter that would join forces with Eldar? Either to combat Tyrannids or Necrons? Sure they are a bigger threat!
Question: would any of the Eldar hero and monstrous units compare to any primarch in close combat (Jain Zar or any of the phoenix lords; kitted out autarchs, avatar of khaine, etc?) Their best units even for close combat seem to get spanked by everyone, bar maybe tau who rival or surpass then in ranged, imperials seem to be on the losing end of close combat and shooting, and necrons have the ctan, for playable statted units (until gulliman came).
13:57 excuse me? "fighting to a deadlock"? Mortarion kicked Roboute's ass quite handily and kept taunting him while he couldnt defend himself until big E saved his ass.
Discuss the impact of the return of more Primarchs on both the galaxys story and the game. Since the Eldar, Tau, or Orcs have nothing like Primarchs Will it tilt the game unbalanced?
Cardboard Cutter ork warbosses have been known to almost kill primarchs and the corpse-king. Horus has to save the Emperor and vice versa before Ullanor at least, the orks have been kinda weakened since then
Very precisly work. Only - i guess - Fulgrim was slain ba Perturabo on the Eldar graveworld where he was lured to make the last piece of sacrifice fro Fulgrims apotheosis(Angelus Exterminatus), but i don't know if some later book have rised Fulgrim after that.
*Question:* If a kroot was to only eat massive quantity's of human flesh would they eventually become human enough to be able to pass into human worlds undetected? Could this be a useful tactic of infiltrating the Imperium of Man for the Tau Empire?
Thanks for all the work you guys do on these videos! They're a great soundtrack while painting Question: Just how scientifically illiterate is the Empire of Man? It seems clear the 'rituals' performed are routine maintenance procedures or repair instructions, and 'holy oils and unguents' are fluids for cooling, lubrication etc, but does the average citizen think electricity is a visible 'machine spirit'? Do Tech Priests understand elementary physics like what particles make up an atom?
there's very little science in the IoM, mostly beliefs and traditions and superstitions; Tech Priests who seek that sort of understanding tend to be branded as Hereteks the way i see it, the Emperor is like Julius Caesar, the IoM is like the Roman Empire, the current time period is like techno-medieval, tech is stagnating/degrading/seen as pagan (like public baths were in medieval times), what innovation there is isn't done according to scientific methods but just incremental improvements so as not to be branded a heretic by the Church for blasphemy and all that; in medieval times peasants couldn't read/write and could only do basic math; they were expected to work for their lord in the roles he put them in, not to seek self-improvement; the IoM isn't even Renaissance-era yet
18:35 I think you forgot how Roboute Guilliman realized that Magnus may have had a trap set for him. He was warned by an elder Eldar Farseer spirit of the road ahead.
Fulgrim, hands down.. He has the potential to have the prodigal son type of character arch and I think he would be a powerful force for the Imperium and a deadly enemy to chaos and all the other xeno adversaries that stand against humanity.. Plus, it would be so interesting to see how him and Robot Gorillaman would interact with one another fighting on the same side, especially given their history..
That would be interesting but I doubt Fulgrim would really want to return. My reason is he didn't mind having the perfect lifestyle that Slaanesh have him. But, if he does return, I'll be shocked too.
Dunno about returning or redemption but the Night Haunter is my favourite primarch from fallen and loyalists alike. Maybe he finally has peace and we should let him rest. And when talking about redemption I think he always tried to do the right thing but was a victim of unfortunate circumstances which lead his mind to be a tad unstable... Or maybe his problem was more of his tendensy to push every issue to the extreme of false dilemma. Like concentrating problems into pure black and white when there actully are nyances... But the heightened sense or justice and the situation in Nostromo sort of explains why spiraled down to that ...
Question: Are there any Obliterator / Multilator characters? I field them all the time, but they seem hard to tie into any lore. And would you like to see GW make a model for such a character?
the obliterator virus makes you go insane and incomprehensible. anyone who becomes infected with the virus loses almost all semblance of their individuality and becomes a hulking flesh of weaponized obsession. the obliterators are so difficult to control due to their insanity that no one outside of the Iron Warriors keeps an exceptional number of them and often just rent them from IW warbands
My great idea,some where someone is cloning Horus over & over yet he keeps coming back as still loyal to the Emperor So they keep killing and starting over until,,,,One escapes and makes his way back to dady to ask for the chance to make up for what his other self did.
This was really cool to listen to, but I think especially in regard to the thousands sons, more details about the primarch would help to cement the decisions. Magnus doesn't just hate the imperium, for the longest time, he was loyal, but he joined the Horus army because the Emperor still contained the last, final shard of his soul in captivity and he was looking for a means to regain this. The thousand sons were never really loyal to the chaos side, neither were they interested in just destroying the imperium. But after the events that destroyed his primary physical body, Magnus and his sons worked to get the primarchs's soul shards back in order to make him complete. Though that is all based on the stories I've read so far, maybe I'm missing things, if I am, disregard this. Still, think that so far as I know it, despite it being a traitor legion, it wasn't one that turned traitor FOR Horus, but one for it's own goals and purposes.
I took artifacts from the Thousand Sons armory and gave them to my Friends in the Space Wolves. Mostly "Sleeping" Space Marines and "Sleeping" Dreadnoughts. The Blood Ravens call me up for some of the artifacts
Always those videos are intresting, love the Primarch lore and theories, there always might be something up to it. So both of Loyalists and Traitors were covered what about the Lost/Forgotten and the Purged ? Maybe they've both get exterminated, or maybe some of them fooled everyone and play even deeper game then the alpha legion :P(they don;t exist, just like Malal :O ) Who knows, who knows...... QUESTION: Would it be possible for C'tan'(s) to possess someone (lets say some like the demons do) [human(doesn't matter which type [range from human mutant or normal civil [which ever is lower] up to primachs ] ), eldar/dark eldar, tau?/other less known sentient xenos ] ? Not sure why, maybe for shits and giggles, maybe for survival necessary (f.e. it necrodermis "shell" has taken some terrible, terrible damage, You name it). Would it be a total fantasy or maybe it happened somewhere in the 30/40k books ?
I think alpharius will be reviled to be alive and the alpha Leigon will be also reviled to have been loyal this hole time as the alpha legion is known for specializing in espionage so the best way to bring chaos to its knees is from with in
QUESTION_1: Hello OMS! Thanks once again for a quick answer and as always keep the great work! About the phase in planets I was asking about non-chaos phase-in/out phenomens - like Necrons would left some sort of device that would transfer the planet not into warp but yet another dimension. Its said that some of their tech can "banish" the oponent into other dimension yet its not stated as warp :) QUESTION_2: Are weapons variations possible for Imperial knights? Like it would have some weapon specific for one type of Knight, but from the other hand it would also posses a weapon from yet other variant? Is it be possible that there could be a thing like a Construction Kight ? Basicly they were a means of constructing a collony from scratch and stuff... So if it would be armed with grav-guns (tracker beams :P ) , Giant bigass plasma blaster[Omega Pattern Plasma Blastgun - a scaled down plasma blastgun] (a plasma arc welder) and a siege-claw (thunderstrike gauntlet?) and some contruction tentacles/mechadendrites like machine-priest got to handle the construction? It would make sence with the rule of cool, but do I need some lore to back it up ?
How the hell could Magnus be injured by a lowly chapter master? How also can't Mortarion not beat Gulliman? What is the point of rising to Demon Princehood if it doesn't make you more powerful?
Well becoming a daemon prince makes you actually immortal and DOES make you more powerful its just that it also makes you part daemon, which comes with certain limitations. It takes a whole lot of effort/sacrifice to bring powerful deamons into the real world and they can't stand there indefinitely. Its probably very draining for a daemon primarch to chill in real space for a long time and I doubt they can access their full power as they would in the warp. But also, some parts of the fluff are just silly and have to be taken with a grain of salt. You'll just have some character with ridiculous plot armor that will do ridiculous things like beat a daemon primarch and carve their heart....
Pretty sure its a projection plus Fenris is rune graved against chaos. It's still dumb given the fact he trashed dreadknights and pulled voidships into the planet... Only to get eye-stabbed away. Apparently Khorne intervened. As for Mortarion... yup, it's tarded as all hell.
Well you do have to remember that sigismund which was the first captain of the imperial fists (basically chapter master) was extremely skilled in close combat second only to primarchs, so it could very well be possible that a chapter master could at least injure a primarch. Also going from having a human form and then becoming a daemon prince could be very weird if you’re not used to it since you basically have to relearn everything just to function normally
It is honestly really sad how little the trader primarks were able to accomplish. I mean they have an imperium that is practically falling apart all by itself with no primarchs to defend it for thousands of years and they still aren't able to come close to capturing it.
Question: After the Indominus Crusade, the Primaris Marines are already integrated among the Space marine chapters. Would the Primaris marines ultimately make the old regular space marines obsolete and slowly but surely all space marine chapters would stop producing old regular Space marines in favor of making more Primaris Space marines? Can old regular space marines be upgraded to be a primaris space marines? You guys said in the past videos that there is a potential danger with the primaris Marines being scattered among the Astartes chapters for their making is a big unknown and that they have the potential to be corrupted by chaos. So can a Space marine chapter make Primaris marines using the old procedure of making regular space marines? I mean the only difference is that the Primaris have additional Gene seed in them right? Can primaris marines inherit or mutate specific traits that are unique to the current space marine chapter they are from? For example in the space wolves chapter, can we see furry primaris space marines in the future?
They had been breaded for 10000 years and gene seed from all loyalists legions was used...therefore u would see space wolf primaris marines as well as blood angels and so on...funny thing on this lore was that there was gene seed of all traitor legions as well but Guiliman did not agreed to use it. Hope this will answers your question. ;)
I don't think the Primaris marines will get rid of all regular marines because they are limited to the amount created by Cawl. But GW will probably stop making old marines down the road so this might changeYes old marines can become primaries, they are called ancients I don't think the old process can be used to create primaris And yes primaris marines share the flaws of their chapter
by fallen do you mean turned to Chaos? cuz the Dark Angels have their own enemy the Fallen who are Dark Angels who supposedly fell to Chaos there are SMs who stayed faithful, i think one of them became the 1st Grandmaster of the Grey Knights
Well the massacre of istvaan III saw four legions purge their ranks of those still loyal so yes. Also some just didn't time traitor such as warpsmith Dantioch of the iron warriors who whent on to help the Ultramarines and imperial Secundus until his death at the hands of Night Lord's
Some Space Marines did stay loyal, but they managed to make the traitor ships, in orbit over Isstvaan V, have the need to bombard them after slaughtering their way through their fallen brothers, it was a mixed bag from each traitor legion...
The battle of the fang was actually just a ploy to get Magnus thrown into the warp so that the spell he used to rip the planet of sorcerers from the eye of terror and into orbit outside prospero, which just so happened to cause the new huge-ass warp storm so was the battle of fenris actually a loss for the big guy?
I know this video is old but I was rewatching it. I wish one of the Primarchs from the lost legions would return, having somehow survived all this time hidden by chaos, bitch slap Abaddon and take control of the chaos space marines so that chaos can have like a dark reflection of the big blue guy.
Angron has to be the most scariest traitor primarch... How scared would you be if a space hulk with full of chaos space marines just appear and begun dispatching all sorts of fuckery on your planet
Dont know to much about the Alpha Legion (I guess no one does haha) but apparently its implied that they are the only of the so called traitor legions that have actually remained untainted by chaos and have conducted missions against both sides as they see their actions as the only true wishes of the Emperor and his vision of a united empire. I believe one of the brothers is definitely dead and the other has hidden his where abouts but still issues most of the orders to his chapter.
Magnus is running around with Kitten, doing random shit.
Would be pretty cool to have Omegon join the shenanigans.
I dont thonk he is with Kitten anymore. 😁
VULKAN LIVE
*STOMP* *STOPM*
NOT CANON !
@@refiner2317 r/woooosh
The Emperor is sitting on his throne thinking" how many fucked up decisions did I make to get here."
Yeah in between unimaginable pain he probably thinks that
One.
@@Raven-qj8xk didn't spend time with his kids
Time to purge this heretic
Lmao I can imagine him asking so many questions over and over again, knowing that he still misses the simple point.
Well magnus is not technically a traitor anymore since he already had a talk with his dad. Also he is now actively trying to come to terms with his new form that the emperor will take advantage of, making chicken jokes to the point of magnus going horus heresy 2.0
Ketchup Heresy
or sneaking off to have EPIC YU-GI-OOOOOOOH battles with Tzeent'ch...
I see someone watches bruva alfubusa.
And Dorn is Alive wearing a Centurion armor
Matt shhhhhh.....he is.....adorable....
It’s still my hope Alpharius is still around. It was prophesied that the 20th Legion would play a major role in the fate of the galaxy.
And besides, all the other primarchs are demon princes, if any have a chance at redemption it’s gonna be Alpharius!
Alpharius is confirmed dead but his brother might still be alive
Omegon took alpharius's place.
Its Alpha Legion, so like I said....I hope Alpharius is still around ;)
#IamAlpharius
He was a good brother before the Heresy but after, he enjoyed the taste of my chainsword.
It's the Alpha Legion, there's no "confirmed" with them around. Yeah, i hope both brothers are still around and can be redeemed.
Fulgrim went back to Falconia, then Rickert slapped him for what he did to the Band of the Hawk... I mean Emperor's Children
Griffith is too depraved even for Slaanesh.
@@stephenskinner7207 so Slan took him and played with him
To be fair, Griffith wouldn’t be Fulgrim... he’d be Magnus. Except everything was totally on purpose and thought out, instead of being a series of rash decisions that doomed his allies.
ferrus manus was guts all along
We won the battle, but not without help from the Ultramarines, who showed up uninvited.
For fuck's sake, can we have fluff that DOESN'T end in "Guilliman showed up and saved the day"?
Blame Fulgrim, bastard didn't kill him thoroughly enough.
John Marsh No.
Aye I was thinking about after the 3rd time he did it in this video alone!
Perturabo has become daemonic version of Megatron. sweeeeeet
Eli Smirnov chaos dreadnought
Actually, I thought the Megatron from "Revenge of the Fallen" WAS demonic. He didn't look that way in "Bumblebee."
The space wolves...
And The Great Woof.
Question- what happens if a single traitor marine converts back to the Emperor. For example a marine was so loyal to the Primarch Magnus the red, that in the beggining of Horus heresy he fallowed his primarch to the trecherious way, but after seeing where it leads , he decides to go back and fight for the emperor, because all bad he did ,was driven by his loyalty and duty so he maintained his sanity.
It is allowed and there has been documents where chaos space Marine have been accepted the punishment but only if you haven't showed any sign of chaos in your body no second arm no horns or wings or bloated body if they show none of chaos then they will have to take the penance mostly a hundred years crusade some get of lightly 30-50 years if they survive then they're name will be listen in the Halls of honor
It is a possibility but such matters are for inquisitor eyes only. To learn more, contact your inquisitor agency.
The inquisition will test him and determine his true loyalty.
@@LinkLegend0 doesn’t sound reliable to me :///
Summary execution
I'd like to see Perturabo return. I think Curze would be best placed for redemption. I don't believe him to be dead and he's not a Daemon.
"I'll get you my pretty, and your little Dogs too" - Magnus the Red
So... Alpharius is Vin Diesel? 23:56
I'm so ready for Lord Dorn to finally return, but I really want Konrad Kurze to return and spook the Imperium again if I have to pick a traitor Primearch. Either him or Perturabo.
Abenddammerung Dorn is Alive and in Silence as a "Cunsodes". Well that's what I believe.
Do you mean "Custodes"? Is that in a novel somewhere or is that just your headcanon?
Dorn hides in a Centurion Armor in the Imperial palace.
You're just referring to that Emperor's Text-to-Speech Device RUclips series, aren't you?
yes i hope XD
Magnus the red looks like someone out of jojo's bizarre adventure in that picture
Which one
Gee willikers, it sure is interesting how the video log of The Night Haunter was found in an abandoned Callidus Temple...
coincidence I think not
Magnus did nothing wrong.
Konrad Regiec
He didn't trust the Emperor, though at the same time the Emperor didn't fully trust his sons with his knowledge, or at least, failed to recognise their weaknesses.
magnus did wrong, but not purge wrong... like slap on the wrist wrong. Russ was an idiot fooled into doing naughty shit by horus. thats it.
magnus is the only one to turn unwillingly out of no choice
Russ wasn't an idiot, he just did what he was told, even if he didn't want to. Okay he did dumb shit while drunk but still.
My thoughts exactly, what happened to Magnus was nothing but a brilliant example of shitty management, what Magnus did was with every best intention, best book in the series by a long way I almost cried at the end of it despite knowing what was going to happen already, impressive writing :)
Yes he was an idiot, he did what he was told even though he knew deep inside he was fucking up, that blind faith in authority is the reason why we cant have nice things.
i really like your content man, its not as like "professional" in terms of flashy voiceovers but i can tell it's a real passion of love type deal and i really enjoy listening to you.
like you stutter and i can tell alot is off the top of your head or loose script and i really appreciate the realness and youre one of my favorite channels to learn about warhammer.
hope this comment doesnt come off wrong or rub you in a bad way keep it up man!
Suggestion: Horrible realitys of Space Marines
Xionic Nexus No sex
Good idea thanks for the suggestions
I don't know if it's this channel or no, but someone has already made the exact video you requested bro. I'll try to find the link and post it. Standby for the standby!
@@OneMindSyndicate you're dedicated I'm about to watch this one next!
Suggestion: I honestly would be interested in a 40 facts about "The Twelve". First time hearing about them but they sound pretty interesting if there's any further lore on em.
We will get on that
Subtitles: fulcrum
No wonder he snapped being the centre of all that pressure.
the Inquisition would like to know your location.
#suggestion. I heard 2nd and 11th Primarchs and their legions are missing from WH40K make a video about it :D Cheers
"Death is nothing to Vindiction." "Mortarion's dark Majestry." "Magnus took some small consolidation."
Craig Sinclair don’t forget “The Great Woof”
23:51 Vin Diesel is it you my loyal brother?
Nothing more epic than a battle which includes a traitor and/or a loyal primarch.
I wolud love to see Angron return
Nicholas Perfitt his Daemon form looks dope
Matt Have they dropt in out yet? And yeah it is
He would return and be the size of a stompa
OneMindSyndicate i would love to see that happen
Same
Many of the Primarches that fell to Chaos have the saddest stories.
Magnus did no wrong, but instead, he tried to prevent the real threat from happening granted he broke his Father's rules to do so.
Fulgrim (Spelled incorrect) screwed his own life up by taking that damn sword.
Anagron suffered from the Butcher's Nails that were stuck in his brain. So, he was in constant pain.
As for the others, they mostly joined Chaos out of small reasons that cloud their judgement of their own situation.
Overall, each Primarch had their own reasons for leaving the imperium; however, I blame the Emperor due to what he didn't tell them or show them.
especially lorgar if watch some of luetin's emperor of man videos it really hammers into the flaws and ultimate downfall of lorgar who was loyal to a religious degree which the emperor didn't like so the emperor basically performed exterminatus on lorgars home planet just to prove a point.
@@roaringlaughter3812 I know what mean. Like, he really wanted to give humanity hope, and the Emperor of Man didn't never understand why men, women, and children needed that one concept he looked at as a waste or useless.
Fulgrim is spelled correctly btw. Peturabo had a really sad story in that general sense also and Curze couldn't help the visions he got constantly.
@@nathanalexandre9043 I never consider his story so sad but after reading it a few times, I feel what you mean.
Your voice is my lullaby thank you for the vids I watch them before bed very night and they take me to 40k dream land.
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Best picture of the Crimson King ,Magnus the Red EVER!!!!
Where did it come from my friends?
Magnus is innocent
Yeah tell it to the Judge.. umm, I meant tell it to the Emperor..
Is he though
Well he is, but not exactly the definition you're thinking of.
Magnus deserves everything he got.
Him personally? Maybe. His Legion? Nah. His planet? No way.
Be kind of cool if both Alpharius and Omgeon are alive but one of them becomes redeemed. Already much speculated upon.
Coolest traitor legion and a big part of why is that we just don't know what they are up to or why.
Reading the Sons of the Hydra currently and see that Alpharius has now been confirmed dead and Omegon heavily implied to be alive and wants to return to the Imperium. If Omegon unites his renegade sons into a united legion once again, is there any way that they can return to the Emperor's Light? How would Guilliman react?
Brendan Grimes he would be Pissed. Since his brother poisoned him.
Bit unlikely and that would be disappointing. They are supposedly the smartest primachs, have had the best training by the emperor and operate more like assassins than marines. They must have a secret mission to protect the human race no matter what.
Both are surely alive and amassing huge numbers, intelligence, tech and positions of power for 10 millennia now.
They could have infiltrated most of the imperium by now. They sure have their own Mechanicus division and would be easy to conquer hundreds of worlds without anyone knowing. Or hide forces as rogue traders, explorators or even black ships.
Imagine not being hindered by bureaucracy, limits on (here)tech or morals? They never have to waste troops or resources unless for the long game!
That's how they should be, but the writers for 40k and 30k are idiots who just rehash the same "traitor legions are idiots and super-duper Dorn/Girlyman are better than everyone and everything". The way Alpharious died infuriated me to this day.
Laughing Man
I thought they hinted all Alpha Legion marines could pose as Alpharius so you'd never know?
With mechanized power armor and bionics, there is no benefit to being 7+ feet tall all the time. Marines that could pose as humans could infiltrate anywhere. A nondescript human sized primarch could be anywhere and never be found. And when you want to be big and imposing, just don the right bionics and armor!
Aren't both Alpharius and Omegon supposed to be incredibly strong psykers? At least one of them could specialize in divining powers, and steer the future from the shadows. They could even hide among the Astra Telepathica or one of the Assassinorum and recruit from there in secret.
Working with the eldar also seems a good and fitting move, especially the harlequins.
the book legion stated they were in council with the eldar
Can you do a video on “chaos knight houses :D” or chaos knight Freeblades or even knights that have been fully possessed by Daemons :D
I thought the actual fulgrim is in a painting and the deamon that was in the sword is controlling his body
Lorgar was irredeemable from the second he was born.
It was definitely emps fault he turned though. He WAS the most loyal
Angron is probably dealing with his off the chart blood pressure, dude is gonna blow out an artery at some point and i imagine his chaos doctor probably has him chilling at home on blood pressure medication and ativan listening to ocean sounds
23:50 thats vin diesel and i love it probably get more luck working in a WH universe movie than he would with riddik
>Luna - Terra's only natural moon
Whole life i was wondering what that big pale thing in sky
Apparently the Earth has 26 moons. Luna is just the visible one.
I see a lot of Magnus sympathisers.
Question:
Will the empire splinter into separate factions, maybe space marine chapters ruling huges separate kingdoms?
I think it'll be funny if say Dark Angels try to take control of the Dark Imperium beyond the rift.
Maybe the purpose of the Alpha Legion was to creat an independent faction?
I'm also fan of the idea the Scattered Legions never died nor returned to the Imperium. Instead they carve out whole kingdoms on the outer fringes of the milky way, controlling some Rogue Trader dynasties and joining/posing as Death Watch companies to hide their existance from both Imperium and Chaos.
Is there any chapter that would join forces with Eldar? Either to combat Tyrannids or Necrons? Sure they are a bigger threat!
I looked like it because Guilliman is doing just that at the end of the plague wars
Read azrael. Dark angels join with eldar to kill night lord sorcerer
You forgot to mention that Lorgar is now no longer in self confinement and is now wandering around the imperium with a bunch of word bearers
Where did you obtain that information? An inquisitor will speak with you soon.
Question: would any of the Eldar hero and monstrous units compare to any primarch in close combat (Jain Zar or any of the phoenix lords; kitted out autarchs, avatar of khaine, etc?) Their best units even for close combat seem to get spanked by everyone, bar maybe tau who rival or surpass then in ranged, imperials seem to be on the losing end of close combat and shooting, and necrons have the ctan, for playable statted units (until gulliman came).
13:57 excuse me? "fighting to a deadlock"? Mortarion kicked Roboute's ass quite handily and kept taunting him while he couldnt defend himself until big E saved his ass.
Suggestion- abbadon's planet killer flagship of the gothic war (makes an appearance in the game battle fleet gothic armada)
What is the background music used by the end of the video
The chaos gods granting you the power to win any rock paper scissors challenge that arises.
Abaddon actually killed clone Horus with his Talon. It was pretty awesome.
but it was not a fair fight if i remember .
OGB yeah the clone couldn't even be compared to the real Horus..
Yeah it was badass , listen to the talons of horus bloody good audiobook
Yes and clone Horus was a husk of his former self
OneMindSyndicate touche onemindsyndicate touche
What is the source for cypher bit about him helping guilliman. Is this from a book?
Discuss the impact of the return of more Primarchs on both the galaxys story and the game. Since the Eldar, Tau, or Orcs have nothing like Primarchs Will it tilt the game unbalanced?
Cardboard Cutter ork warbosses have been known to almost kill primarchs and the corpse-king. Horus has to save the Emperor and vice versa before Ullanor at least, the orks have been kinda weakened since then
The Eldars could have equivalents, in fact it'd so dope if they had them. More primarchs would be excellent
widder shins The Beast?!
@@NKWittmann Pheonix lords maybe?
The Phoenix Lords shouild be on a similar level given their lore.
Very precisly work. Only - i guess - Fulgrim was slain ba Perturabo on the Eldar graveworld where he was lured to make the last piece of sacrifice fro Fulgrims apotheosis(Angelus Exterminatus), but i don't know if some later book have rised Fulgrim after that.
*Question:* If a kroot was to only eat massive quantity's of human flesh would they eventually become human enough to be able to pass into human worlds undetected? Could this be a useful tactic of infiltrating the Imperium of Man for the Tau Empire?
That question is completely out of the Emperor's Will. You will refrain from asking such damnable questions.
Thanks for all the work you guys do on these videos! They're a great soundtrack while painting
Question: Just how scientifically illiterate is the Empire of Man? It seems clear the 'rituals' performed are routine maintenance procedures or repair instructions, and 'holy oils and unguents' are fluids for cooling, lubrication etc, but does the average citizen think electricity is a visible 'machine spirit'? Do Tech Priests understand elementary physics like what particles make up an atom?
there's very little science in the IoM, mostly beliefs and traditions and superstitions; Tech Priests who seek that sort of understanding tend to be branded as Hereteks
the way i see it, the Emperor is like Julius Caesar, the IoM is like the Roman Empire, the current time period is like techno-medieval, tech is stagnating/degrading/seen as pagan (like public baths were in medieval times), what innovation there is isn't done according to scientific methods but just incremental improvements so as not to be branded a heretic by the Church for blasphemy and all that; in medieval times peasants couldn't read/write and could only do basic math; they were expected to work for their lord in the roles he put them in, not to seek self-improvement; the IoM isn't even Renaissance-era yet
10:48 You cannot tell me the man to the left doesn't look like Wolverine
18:35 I think you forgot how Roboute Guilliman realized that Magnus may have had a trap set for him. He was warned by an elder Eldar Farseer spirit of the road ahead.
That's so cool I didn't know my two favorite primarchs are actually brothers
almost as cool as the fact that all primarchs are brothers..
Yeah aren't they all bros
I believe that from all the fallen primarchs the most likely to redeem himself is Mortarion, ironically because of his hatred for the wishes.
TO late now he has a model already
God dammit!!! Wait what about the next Codex?
Mortarion is awesome as he is, no redemption is necessary. He's fucking DEATH
Hands off.
He's mine.
Read dark imperium
Fulgrim, hands down.. He has the potential to have the prodigal son type of character arch and I think he would be a powerful force for the Imperium and a deadly enemy to chaos and all the other xeno adversaries that stand against humanity.. Plus, it would be so interesting to see how him and Robot Gorillaman would interact with one another fighting on the same side, especially given their history..
That would be interesting but I doubt Fulgrim would really want to return. My reason is he didn't mind having the perfect lifestyle that Slaanesh have him. But, if he does return, I'll be shocked too.
What is the name of the music used in the video
So is it Fulgrim, or the demon from the sword? is his still in the painting or am i just confused, also the clone situation.
This guy’s voice killed it for me. Hard to concentrate on the evil of Chaos when Elmer Fudd is narrating.
Dunno about returning or redemption but the Night Haunter is my favourite primarch from fallen and loyalists alike. Maybe he finally has peace and we should let him rest. And when talking about redemption I think he always tried to do the right thing but was a victim of unfortunate circumstances which lead his mind to be a tad unstable... Or maybe his problem was more of his tendensy to push every issue to the extreme of false dilemma. Like concentrating problems into pure black and white when there actully are nyances... But the heightened sense or justice and the situation in Nostromo sort of explains why spiraled down to that ...
Question: Are there any Obliterator / Multilator characters? I field them all the time, but they seem hard to tie into any lore. And would you like to see GW make a model for such a character?
the obliterator virus makes you go insane and incomprehensible. anyone who becomes infected with the virus loses almost all semblance of their individuality and becomes a hulking flesh of weaponized obsession. the obliterators are so difficult to control due to their insanity that no one outside of the Iron Warriors keeps an exceptional number of them and often just rent them from IW warbands
Seems like Omegon is going to redeem himself
My great idea,some where someone is cloning Horus over & over yet he keeps coming back as still loyal to the Emperor So they keep killing and starting over until,,,,One escapes and makes his way back to dady to ask for the chance to make up for what his other self did.
This was really cool to listen to, but I think especially in regard to the thousands sons, more details about the primarch would help to cement the decisions. Magnus doesn't just hate the imperium, for the longest time, he was loyal, but he joined the Horus army because the Emperor still contained the last, final shard of his soul in captivity and he was looking for a means to regain this. The thousand sons were never really loyal to the chaos side, neither were they interested in just destroying the imperium. But after the events that destroyed his primary physical body, Magnus and his sons worked to get the primarchs's soul shards back in order to make him complete.
Though that is all based on the stories I've read so far, maybe I'm missing things, if I am, disregard this. Still, think that so far as I know it, despite it being a traitor legion, it wasn't one that turned traitor FOR Horus, but one for it's own goals and purposes.
0:58 how does one "slight" a throat?
All hail the great woof
I took artifacts from the Thousand Sons armory and gave them to my Friends in the Space Wolves. Mostly "Sleeping" Space Marines and "Sleeping" Dreadnoughts. The Blood Ravens call me up for some of the artifacts
Question: Will there be a part 2 to the Nova Marines video?
Riddick is part of the Alpha Legion!? 😮
Where do you find all this lore? I read the books but nothing like this
Suggestion: Devourer of worlds
Always those videos are intresting, love the Primarch lore and theories, there always might be something up to it. So both of Loyalists and Traitors were covered what about the Lost/Forgotten and the Purged ? Maybe they've both get exterminated, or maybe some of them fooled everyone and play even deeper game then the alpha legion :P(they don;t exist, just like Malal :O ) Who knows, who knows......
QUESTION: Would it be possible for C'tan'(s) to possess someone (lets say some like the demons do) [human(doesn't matter which type [range from human mutant or normal civil [which ever is lower] up to primachs ] ), eldar/dark eldar, tau?/other less known sentient xenos ] ? Not sure why, maybe for shits and giggles, maybe for survival necessary (f.e. it necrodermis "shell" has taken some terrible, terrible damage, You name it). Would it be a total fantasy or maybe it happened somewhere in the 30/40k books ?
I think alpharius will be reviled to be alive and the alpha Leigon will be also reviled to have been loyal this hole time as the alpha legion is known for specializing in espionage so the best way to bring chaos to its knees is from with in
I'd love to see Alpharion return in some manner
@6:54...the word you're looking for is Vin-Di-Cay-Shun, not vindiction
QUESTION_1: Hello OMS! Thanks once again for a quick answer and as always keep the great work!
About the phase in planets I was asking about non-chaos phase-in/out phenomens - like Necrons would left some sort of device that would transfer the planet not into warp but yet another dimension.
Its said that some of their tech can "banish" the oponent into other dimension yet its not stated as warp :)
QUESTION_2: Are weapons variations possible for Imperial knights? Like it would have some weapon specific for one type of Knight, but from the other hand it would also posses a weapon from yet other variant?
Is it be possible that there could be a thing like a Construction Kight ? Basicly they were a means of constructing a collony from scratch and stuff... So if it would be armed with grav-guns (tracker beams :P ) ,
Giant bigass plasma blaster[Omega Pattern Plasma Blastgun - a scaled down plasma blastgun] (a plasma arc welder) and a siege-claw (thunderstrike gauntlet?) and some contruction tentacles/mechadendrites like machine-priest got to handle the construction?
It would make sence with the rule of cool, but do I need some lore to back it up ?
grav guns actually use gravity to crush the target, not move it, like the effect a mini black hole would have
Damn opening up on the image proudly displaying magnus's horn nipples got me all jolly.
How the hell could Magnus be injured by a lowly chapter master? How also can't Mortarion not beat Gulliman? What is the point of rising to Demon Princehood if it doesn't make you more powerful?
It grants the chaos god yummi primarch soul yam-yam.
He had to maintain his powerful form in the materium and was badly damaged by Bjorn and Helric
Well becoming a daemon prince makes you actually immortal and DOES make you more powerful its just that it also makes you part daemon, which comes with certain limitations. It takes a whole lot of effort/sacrifice to bring powerful deamons into the real world and they can't stand there indefinitely. Its probably very draining for a daemon primarch to chill in real space for a long time and I doubt they can access their full power as they would in the warp. But also, some parts of the fluff are just silly and have to be taken with a grain of salt. You'll just have some character with ridiculous plot armor that will do ridiculous things like beat a daemon primarch and carve their heart....
Pretty sure its a projection plus Fenris is rune graved against chaos.
It's still dumb given the fact he trashed dreadknights and pulled voidships into the planet...
Only to get eye-stabbed away. Apparently Khorne intervened.
As for Mortarion... yup, it's tarded as all hell.
Well you do have to remember that sigismund which was the first captain of the imperial fists (basically chapter master) was extremely skilled in close combat second only to primarchs, so it could very well be possible that a chapter master could at least injure a primarch. Also going from having a human form and then becoming a daemon prince could be very weird if you’re not used to it since you basically have to relearn everything just to function normally
Aye. There's no reason to believe that the gene sample Alpharius gave to Fabius Bile (book: Deliverance Lost) was the only sample.
Lorgar let out a galactic scream...and then did nothing.
ahh a daily dose of heresy? I shall inform Lord Commander Guilliman. haha i love this channel.
Bring Rowboat Girlyman on
How do you smash through mortarions sons then carve your name on his heart and not even catch the common cold. Like bruh wut.
It is honestly really sad how little the trader primarks were able to accomplish. I mean they have an imperium that is practically falling apart all by itself with no primarchs to defend it for thousands of years and they still aren't able to come close to capturing it.
How would one go about trading with Necrons or Nids?
Question: After the Indominus Crusade, the Primaris Marines are already integrated among the Space marine chapters. Would the Primaris marines ultimately make the old regular space marines obsolete and slowly but surely all space marine chapters would stop producing old regular Space marines in favor of making more Primaris Space marines?
Can old regular space marines be upgraded to be a primaris space marines?
You guys said in the past videos that there is a potential danger with the primaris Marines being scattered among the Astartes chapters for their making is a big unknown and that they have the potential to be corrupted by chaos. So can a Space marine chapter make Primaris marines using the old procedure of making regular space marines? I mean the only difference is that the Primaris have additional Gene seed in them right?
Can primaris marines inherit or mutate specific traits that are unique to the current space marine chapter they are from? For example in the space wolves chapter, can we see furry primaris space marines in the future?
They had been breaded for 10000 years and gene seed from all loyalists legions was used...therefore u would see space wolf primaris marines as well as blood angels and so on...funny thing on this lore was that there was gene seed of all traitor legions as well but Guiliman did not agreed to use it. Hope this will answers your question. ;)
I don't think the Primaris marines will get rid of all regular marines because they are limited to the amount created by Cawl. But GW will probably stop making old marines down the road so this might changeYes old marines can become primaries, they are called ancients I don't think the old process can be used to create primaris And yes primaris marines share the flaws of their chapter
Lorgar needs to bring that space-smurf to his knees again.
this video needs time stamps in the description for each primarch
BUT ALPHA LEGION IS LOYAL. LOL
It's heresy watching this but i can't stop
I find the lore of 40k to be really cool. Are there space marines within the fallen chapters which remained faithful?
by fallen do you mean turned to Chaos? cuz the Dark Angels have their own enemy the Fallen who are Dark Angels who supposedly fell to Chaos
there are SMs who stayed faithful, i think one of them became the 1st Grandmaster of the Grey Knights
Well the massacre of istvaan III saw four legions purge their ranks of those still loyal so yes. Also some just didn't time traitor such as warpsmith Dantioch of the iron warriors who whent on to help the Ultramarines and imperial Secundus until his death at the hands of Night Lord's
Some Space Marines did stay loyal, but they managed to make the traitor ships, in orbit over Isstvaan V, have the need to bombard them after slaughtering their way through their fallen brothers, it was a mixed bag from each traitor legion...
Didn't the Legion of the Damned fight with guilliman against magnus on luna?
Very good. Thanks man!
Silly silly Imperial Fist
What are you talking about he is still alive, Dorn Lives
Still waiting to hear more about the 12...
*Says apotheosis* - Ay-Pothy-Oh-sis
*Says vindication* VIN-DI-KAY-SHON
i hoping that curze returns as a deamon prince of malal
malal doesnt exist stop talking about him
The battle of the fang was actually just a ploy to get Magnus thrown into the warp so that the spell he used to rip the planet of sorcerers from the eye of terror and into orbit outside prospero, which just so happened to cause the new huge-ass warp storm so was the battle of fenris actually a loss for the big guy?
Just as Tzteech foresaw it.
Needs to be like a friend's theme where are they no intro
I know this video is old but I was rewatching it. I wish one of the Primarchs from the lost legions would return, having somehow survived all this time hidden by chaos, bitch slap Abaddon and take control of the chaos space marines so that chaos can have like a dark reflection of the big blue guy.
Angron has to be the most scariest traitor primarch... How scared would you be if a space hulk with full of chaos space marines just appear and begun dispatching all sorts of fuckery on your planet
Dont know to much about the Alpha Legion (I guess no one does haha) but apparently its implied that they are the only of the so called traitor legions that have actually remained untainted by chaos and have conducted missions against both sides as they see their actions as the only true wishes of the Emperor and his vision of a united empire. I believe one of the brothers is definitely dead and the other has hidden his where abouts but still issues most of the orders to his chapter.