The Imperium Are The Space Skaven

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  • @supershaner
    @supershaner 10 месяцев назад +2947

    great, as if my day wasnt bad enough, now i have to watch this slop

    • @kolbycampbell3957
      @kolbycampbell3957 10 месяцев назад +151

      Can't tell if this is an inside joke or pin of shame

    • @dinodude6992
      @dinodude6992 10 месяцев назад

      @@kolbycampbell3957
      Perhaps both-both

    • @DylanJo123
      @DylanJo123 10 месяцев назад +282

      @@kolbycampbell3957 Im assuming its a joke we're not in on since homie is acting like he didnt have a choice in watching the video. Pancreas must be holding a gun to his head or something lol

    • @SK-ww7ud
      @SK-ww7ud 10 месяцев назад +134

      ​@@kolbycampbell3957man's a channel member so fairly safe bet on the joke lmao

    • @DylanJo123
      @DylanJo123 10 месяцев назад +48

      ​@@imvictorhugscant rule out that possibility lol. OP blink twice if youre in danger

  • @TheNameAlcorWasStolenFromMe
    @TheNameAlcorWasStolenFromMe 10 месяцев назад +4029

    The imperium is literally lead by the 13th primarch i am shocked people are in denial of this

    • @wingedhussar8552
      @wingedhussar8552 10 месяцев назад +605

      Now I need some skaven to venerate Guilliman as an avatar of the great horned rat, much to his confusion

    • @EungsuLee
      @EungsuLee 10 месяцев назад +365

      @@wingedhussar8552
      Robot Gorillaman is a Verminlord,
      Senatorum Imperialis is the Council of Thirteen,
      AdMech is Clan Skryre,
      Officio Assasinorum is Clan Eshin,
      and Adeptus Astartes is the army of Rat Ogres.
      PERFECT.

    • @rh0mbus104
      @rh0mbus104 10 месяцев назад +67

      ​@@wingedhussar8552 and the Great Horned Rat's anger.

    • @BrBetim
      @BrBetim 10 месяцев назад +125

      @@EungsuLee You can even have the Custodes as the stormvermins and your average guardsmen as the clanrats. Truly perfect.

    • @subterraneandirtybomb
      @subterraneandirtybomb 10 месяцев назад +51

      Don’t care, want rat

  • @BrBetim
    @BrBetim 10 месяцев назад +2983

    If the Skaven were to ever get in the 40k universe, they'd be so at home on the Empire they'd think the Emperor was some incarnation of the Great Horned Rat

    • @alderbernhardt
      @alderbernhardt 10 месяцев назад +97

      Eeeeh no. They'd still try to kill the man things

    • @yokaiou5848
      @yokaiou5848 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@alderbernhardt not so sure, they live in Warren's, backstabbing is politics and their technology is hostile to life. They fit right in in the Imperium.

    • @shiftygypsy89migh41
      @shiftygypsy89migh41 10 месяцев назад +88

      We can dream....its a big universe.

    • @Athetos_Admech
      @Athetos_Admech 10 месяцев назад +234

      If the skaven could be convinced to tolerate human leadership, worship big E as the living incarnation of their god or vice-versa (kinda like how the mechanicus get away with worshiping thier machine god), and purge Clan Pestilens (they seem to be cursed/blessed by Nurgle and are suspected of heresy by the other skaven clans) then there is an extremely slim chance that the high lords of terra might decide to bring them into the fold as a 'forgotten abhuman strain'. There used to be minotaur-like beastmen that were under imperial rule but were later persecuted because of their resemblance to demons, so it wouldn't be the first time something like that happened. The Great Horned Rat's influence might also escape the notice of most Inquisitors because, unlike the other chaos gods who rely on demonic underlings and possessed psykers, the Great Horned Rat almost exclusively works through the skaven who still have free will. The Great Horned Rat's more subtle influence might be dismissed by all but the most puritanical factions as a combination of local superstitions and the actions of skaven psykers.

    • @Tokumastu1
      @Tokumastu1 10 месяцев назад +123

      Skaven looking at the Emperor like "That's not a no-fur! Dried husk is Skaven-champion of Great Horned Rat! We must purge-kill the no furs infecting Skaven Imperium!"

  • @pancreasnowork9939
    @pancreasnowork9939  10 месяцев назад +840

    "This is a World of Warcraft game" no the fuck it isn't RUclips, thank you for that

    • @podero2.022
      @podero2.022 10 месяцев назад +34

      Eh, close enough.

    • @WAAAAAGH1984
      @WAAAAAGH1984 10 месяцев назад +81

      Blizzard are rats though to be fair

    • @Slick-Salamander
      @Slick-Salamander 10 месяцев назад +27

      Why don't you World of Warcraft some bi-*I am instantly vaporized*

    • @kakkakapwppwow
      @kakkakapwppwow 10 месяцев назад +8

      It is, wake up bro...

    • @edmundthespiffing2920
      @edmundthespiffing2920 10 месяцев назад +3

      Then why do you show and talk of Captain Picard ?

  • @PhthaloGreenskin
    @PhthaloGreenskin 10 месяцев назад +1687

    I was in a rogue trader game where the Priest brought skaven on board the ship and made them worship the emperor. Then the techprist made some of the skaven worship the ommnisiah and the skaven had a religious civil war. Nothing came of it because the ship suffered catastrophic geller field failure.

    • @JaysonVaughn
      @JaysonVaughn 10 месяцев назад +107

      that shit is hilarious! any more silly rogue trader stories?

    • @olorinmagus4479
      @olorinmagus4479 10 месяцев назад +153

      Did the catastrophic gellar field failure have anything to do with the skaven civil war on board?

    • @natalie6811
      @natalie6811 10 месяцев назад +174

      “Catastrophic Gellar Field Failure”
      That’s just what the Skaven want you to think

    • @skeeter5076
      @skeeter5076 10 месяцев назад +16

      Sounds like a classic RT game

    • @skeeter5076
      @skeeter5076 10 месяцев назад +11

      RT is definitely my favorite of the FFG RPGs

  • @Al3xtheMeh
    @Al3xtheMeh 10 месяцев назад +1564

    I desperately want a short story about the Skaven opening up a portal to an Imperial Hive City where they have to fight against Gene Stealers and Imperials. Then get wiped from existence either through their own incompetence or the Great Horned Rat physically pulls them back into the Mortal Realms because he can't accept his children not being under his control in another universe.

    • @jamesmckenna4460
      @jamesmckenna4460 10 месяцев назад +127

      Or they bring the great horned rat with them and make the far future a lot more interesting

    • @BS-cc4ks
      @BS-cc4ks 10 месяцев назад +76

      @@jamesmckenna4460 The Great Horned Rat getting a Loss would be, by far, the most interesting thing to do with him.

    • @andresmarrero8666
      @andresmarrero8666 10 месяцев назад +54

      ​@@jamesmckenna4460that sounds more likely. It is either that or the planet blows up due to the sheer concentrated manipulative vice, and the rats still live.

    • @WeOnlyEatSoup
      @WeOnlyEatSoup 10 месяцев назад +20

      Yes please what a fun one off short story this could be 😭 skaven vs genestealers fighting over a hive city that gets the inquisition treatment in the end lol

    • @Bluecho4
      @Bluecho4 10 месяцев назад +37

      I would go the other way: the Great Horned Rat is strong in AoS, but has no worshipers in 40K like the other Chaos Gods. So sends Skaven through the portal to give him a foothold in that galaxy.
      What follows is a massive war in the hive, where the Imperium is faced with its furry counterparts on a one-to-one basis. The Imperium wins, despite incompetence, backstabbing, and internecine conflict (on both sides). But in true Imperium fashion, they fail to learn anything from the experience. Plus, some Skaven stow away on their ships, ensuring the rat-men will spread throughout the galaxy.

  • @Raziel312
    @Raziel312 10 месяцев назад +142

    "You are now picturing a skaven sister of battle. Have fun with that."
    Okay! I'm picturing Gadget Hackwrench in sororitas armor.

    • @Bloodlyshiva
      @Bloodlyshiva 7 месяцев назад

      No good. Skaven treat their females and breeders and nothing more.

    • @longwlenguyen4214
      @longwlenguyen4214 4 месяца назад +1

      Either that or Naked Mole Rat queen because they’re weird and ironically opposite of Skaven despite similar outcome when it came to succession to the throne.

  • @GunRunner106
    @GunRunner106 10 месяцев назад +424

    i fondly remember that one combat report where a skaven army was fighting the lizardmen and the skaven dud was using an assassin from house eshin. the asssassin had the ability to shadow jump across the map, was carrying a warp bomb.
    when chance presented itself
    assassin jumped over into the back of enemy leader slain mr frog mage
    rolled to deploy his warp bomb
    spectacularly failed.
    activated bomb > didnt drop bomb > jumped back to own side > bomb activated > blew away half the skaven army

    • @captainnyet9855
      @captainnyet9855 10 месяцев назад +87

      Taking out a Slann and a rival clan's army all in one go; could barely have planned it better myself.

    • @henryficklin3333
      @henryficklin3333 10 месяцев назад +61

      Peak Skaven moment

    • @sukhrobmirzodavlatov2385
      @sukhrobmirzodavlatov2385 6 месяцев назад +6

      Average skaven batlle tactic in a nutshell

    • @lordfriedrick7911
      @lordfriedrick7911 Месяц назад

      Sigma skaven grindset

  • @maddlarkin
    @maddlarkin 10 месяцев назад +512

    There was a 40k novel where one of the main characters was talking about a joking theory that rats have spread so far and so ubiquitously on human worlds that the Imperium is intact just a vehicle for rats to Conquer the stars, if that's not a set up for space skaven, mutant 'intelligent' rats hiding under the Imperium then I dont know what is

    • @sergeantsharkseant
      @sergeantsharkseant 6 месяцев назад +6

      I am pretty sure that is one of the gaunt ghosts novels
      Dan Abnett always has the best ideas, wonder who came up with the necron pylons on cadia? It was Abnett.
      anyways I remember in the same book and in others it was mentioned that earths rats often mutate and cross breed with local lifeforms creating monsters. It would be absolutely fitting if in some underhive rats evolved to skaven and started building their underempite across the stars due to how ships work their lower decks also are perfect hiding spaces for scum and due to mutations being rampant at these locations nobody would bat an eye.
      A year ago or so the liber. xenos was released an in canon xenos study book. And on the hrud it was theorized that there have been two species independently been described as the hrud due to similar behavior. And I remember rat like xenos being mentioned being on the black star fortress too

  • @Never_heart
    @Never_heart 10 месяцев назад +873

    We need Space Skaven because I want to see a faction with tech as powerful and advanced as Necrons, while being even less stable and reliable than anything made by the Orks

    • @catalyst9955
      @catalyst9955 10 месяцев назад +46

      I would absolutely love this

    • @PeachDragon_
      @PeachDragon_ 10 месяцев назад +10

      Agreed

    • @AnnoyanceHazard
      @AnnoyanceHazard 10 месяцев назад +71

      @@pinkythemighty What do you mean "it wouldn't be lore friendly". When man was barely discovering flintlocks the skaven were experimenting with warp artillery and frankensteins monsters proving great technical aptitude for the rats. Humanities tech was not just dropped in a day but developed over millennia and skaven tech would have developed in parallel. Even if humanity did start out advancing the rats they would just copy the human tech and adapt it to their own needs, like what happened during the world wars. If you are talking about the DaoT then humanity was not genocidal during that time. Just like dark age humanity did NOT wipe out the orks(species who literally lives just to plunder and kill in a war) they would not have genocide the skaven but probably keep them contained to their own skaven star systems in a form of space quarantine. So the only canonical time humanity could have massively out tech the skaven was the time they would just contain them to a small set of space. And if you mean the interpretation of "skaven were on a primitive planet then suddenly lol imperium colonizes it" the existence of gene stealer cults proves the imperiums "tech" to locate much of anything is long in the past.
      TLDR: People who most confidently state that something is against the lore think the least about it.

    • @Teaseal8
      @Teaseal8 10 месяцев назад +11

      ​@@pinkythemightyso did you not read anything they just said (type whatever you want to call it) or what?

    • @calebbarnhouse496
      @calebbarnhouse496 10 месяцев назад +19

      ​@@pinkythemightystop being asinine, the skaven had better tech development in the same amount of time as empire, they easily could have had tech on par with golden age humanity, they wouldn't be the only faction that did

  • @autobotskyflame6287
    @autobotskyflame6287 10 месяцев назад +325

    Imagine you read the Hive Mind and you find out it was the Great Horned Rat all along.

    • @nonya1366
      @nonya1366 10 месяцев назад +79

      The tyranid hivemind doesn't have enough infighting-
      *Glances at the hive fleets eatting eachother*
      The tyranid hivemind doesn't have enough infighting at the lower levels.

    • @Leofilmperson
      @Leofilmperson 10 месяцев назад +40

      The Tyranid expansion book for Epic 40k contained a forgotten piece of lore wherein a fullblooded tyranid organism (possibly a fleshborer) manages to communicate with inquisitor Kryptman. The speech patterns were rather skavenlike. "We must hunt the fleshthings. Quick quick."

    • @nonya1366
      @nonya1366 10 месяцев назад +23

      @@Leofilmperson Wait, tyranids are just skaven who learned to work with eachother most of the time?

    • @Leofilmperson
      @Leofilmperson 10 месяцев назад +20

      @@nonya1366 They're thematically connected by insatiable hunger.

    • @kabob0077
      @kabob0077 10 месяцев назад +7

      @@nonya1366 The Brain has no idea what the Left or Right Hands are doing.

  • @maddestlad3868
    @maddestlad3868 10 месяцев назад +227

    That bell ringing in Trazyn's museum 13 times only coincidentally rang right before Cadia got deleted. It ACTUALLY summoned the skaven, who have been infesting the web way and sneakily infecting the galaxy at large since then. Eventually the Eldar are gonna find giant rats building shanty towns everywhere and wonder how the hell this happened.

    • @cheesebucket142
      @cheesebucket142 9 месяцев назад +26

      The webway would be the perfect way to have the whole "there's always a rat lurking just below the surface" thing. Gnawholes being made to infest and expand it.

    • @krel7160
      @krel7160 9 месяцев назад +19

      @@cheesebucket142 "Glory-praise the understream!"

    • @Biotear
      @Biotear 7 месяцев назад +16

      Vect just looking out his window and wondering why the fuck there's a bunch of crack dens full of giant rats with machine guns in Commoragh.

    • @WeaverOfStars
      @WeaverOfStars 7 месяцев назад +11

      @@Biotear Vect shaking down half of the Haemonculi in the city because he thinks the Skaven came from one of their really messed up experiments.

  • @scrollkeeper5272
    @scrollkeeper5272 10 месяцев назад +682

    I'm so glad to know that I'm not the only one who thinks this.
    From infighting, to mad scientists, thinking their superior to every other from of life and a few other small things; the Skaven snd Imperium couldn't be more alike no matter how much some may deny it.

    • @gotmilk5899
      @gotmilk5899 10 месяцев назад +85

      Endless bodies to chuck at their enemies, somehow shittier to themselves than they are towards everyone else the list just goes on and on

    • @scrollkeeper5272
      @scrollkeeper5272 10 месяцев назад +9

      @@gotmilk5899 Indeed!

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 10 месяцев назад +25

      And yet no DOOMWHEELS
      Checkmate ratto

    • @bigsadge747
      @bigsadge747 10 месяцев назад

      Not to mention their super roided monsters whether be it lobotomized criminals to space marines

    • @dustinnabil798
      @dustinnabil798 10 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@aprinnyonbreak1290Can't argue with that

  • @marcusaaronliaogo9158
    @marcusaaronliaogo9158 10 месяцев назад +269

    The Imperium is basically the empire and skaven fusion form

    • @nonya1366
      @nonya1366 10 месяцев назад +37

      faith, steel, gunpowder, AND DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM ROCKETS YESYES

    • @burningbronze7555
      @burningbronze7555 10 месяцев назад +5

      With some bretonian

    • @DogseatDogs
      @DogseatDogs 23 дня назад

      ​@@burningbronze7555Don't panc that 😂 He'll cry.

  • @UGNAvalon
    @UGNAvalon 10 месяцев назад +135

    The Sisters of Clan Pestilens connection gets even stronger once you realize that both became integrated into their respective societies as a whole only after a massive civil war that resulted in their leaders having private audiences with the heads of state of the opposing faction, and said interaction resulting in a poor sop’s death & replacement by a new leader.

  • @Slavesforsale1
    @Slavesforsale1 10 месяцев назад +336

    I adore the idea of Skaven being in 40K. Imagine a Imperium exploration fleet finding a world populated with a nigh uncountable number of rat like xenos, and thinking its their homeworld they attack, only for it to be a minor colony of the Skaven Void Empire. So now the Imperium finds themselves in a new war with a species that is just as militaristic, vile and numerous as them.

    • @andressotil4671
      @andressotil4671 10 месяцев назад +29

      Maybe they were the Rangan

    • @WASDLeftClick
      @WASDLeftClick 10 месяцев назад +59

      Give them horde fleets made up of scavenged ships barely put together better than ork ones and flagships made of space hulks that they’ve actually managed to clear out.

    • @marcantiojo7703
      @marcantiojo7703 10 месяцев назад +43

      @@WASDLeftClick Maybe they could also be industrial revolution themed, seeing as the time was filled with rats, disease, and horrible working conditions despite the huge boom in progress.

    • @funfungerman8401
      @funfungerman8401 10 месяцев назад

      damn never new anything about the rangan but they really have many similarities with the skaven from warhammer fantasy@@andressotil4671

    • @Kuhmuhnistische_Partei
      @Kuhmuhnistische_Partei 10 месяцев назад +16

      It's kinda fun to think about how they would've spread over multiple worlds to begin with. Maybe one day some other species landed on their planet, got swarmed and they found a way to use the ships of the invadors just long enough to get to another planet - maybe like 80% of those ships just crash and kill all skaven on board, but the remaining ones are enough to flood the new world with skaven in no time. And maybe from that day one they actually try to build their own spaceships and it's just the kind of try-and-error they do with everything. An endless line of wannabe engineers throwing together thrusters and metal hulls, cramming a bunch of skaven including 1-2 breeding mothers into it and sending it into space - if those piles of junks even manage to start without just blowing up. And once they are on multiple planets spread over the galaxy, they may also further colonize by just doing it like the first time: getting invaded by some fools just to swarm them and kill them all and send those spaceships right back to their origin coordinates filled with skaven.

  • @historiasdeinternet2585
    @historiasdeinternet2585 10 месяцев назад +517

    finally, a take on 40k that we can all agree on.
    now I wish the empire had wraithscreamers, psyquers that scream to create warpstone, wich is like a worse version of wraitbone.

    • @UltraVioletKnight
      @UltraVioletKnight 10 месяцев назад +23

      Don't forget the doomwheel

    • @ekothesilent9456
      @ekothesilent9456 10 месяцев назад +5

      @@UltraVioletKnightspinny wheel kill man-thing! Yes-yes.

    • @DogseatDogs
      @DogseatDogs 23 дня назад

      Dark Eldar have them.

  • @EungsuLee
    @EungsuLee 10 месяцев назад +57

    Yes-yes, glory to empire-imperium of man-thing!

  • @gamerz1172
    @gamerz1172 10 месяцев назад +182

    I always joke with my friends, a literal skaven representation in 40k peaked its head out of the tunnels, saw the state of the galaxy, went "Nope" and fled back into hiding in the tunnels

    • @krel7160
      @krel7160 9 месяцев назад +33

      "Human-things gone crazy-mad! Hide-seek the Underhive!"

  • @Maxusxavier
    @Maxusxavier 10 месяцев назад +209

    I think the biggest difference is actually a dig at the imperium and that's that the appeal of the skaven is that they refuse the status quo they are always moving forward, up through ranks, forward into the tech tree, they are always advancing, except when they are retreating but still. The empirium is cinstantly stuck and obsessed with a back sliding status quo doomed to keep backsliding

    • @Vaprous
      @Vaprous 10 месяцев назад

      Yeah the Imperium are somehow *worse* than the Skaven.

    • @noabsolutelynot3660
      @noabsolutelynot3660 9 месяцев назад +5

      Use more commas. Especially when the same word repeats, i.e. "that that's"

    • @ToaArcan
      @ToaArcan 9 месяцев назад +16

      The Skaven don't retreat, they just advance away from the enemy!

  • @greenxxxable
    @greenxxxable 10 месяцев назад +90

    I imagine Age of Sigmar Skaven making Titan equivalents.

    • @ce4879
      @ce4879 10 месяцев назад

      They did a close version back in the Godbeast campaign to infect Behemat’s sleeping continent-sized body via colossal machines that were walking Skaven cities.
      Google “Lexicanum Parasite Engine” to see the Skaven equivalent of a mosquito on a world titan’s body.

    • @Bluecho4
      @Bluecho4 10 месяцев назад +13

      I mean, you COULD make giant Skaven robots, and run them as Chaos Gargants.

  • @Meuduso1
    @Meuduso1 10 месяцев назад +53

    WAIT WHAT THE HELL?!? I thought the "Space Skaven = Imperium" thing was a joke soley based on "There's a lot of rats and a lot of humans basically living like rats". I never put all these things together

  • @michalo.gregorius1313
    @michalo.gregorius1313 10 месяцев назад +87

    That's cool and all, but I still want my Space Rats.

  • @SirBrasstion
    @SirBrasstion 10 месяцев назад +195

    Next episode: Skaven are the Orks of Fantasy. Comic relief, mix of beasts and mad science, easily replaceable hordes, constant transitions from waaagh/vermintide to infighting.

    • @snickersbaja7706
      @snickersbaja7706 10 месяцев назад +17

      Too bad the skaven lack a Ghazghkull equivilant whom is scary competent

    • @jahrusalem3658
      @jahrusalem3658 10 месяцев назад +12

      @@snickersbaja7706 Isn't that Queek Headtaker?

    • @snickersbaja7706
      @snickersbaja7706 10 месяцев назад +12

      @@jahrusalem3658 Now that I think about it, you are right. So going with this I guess his prized trophy skulls that he speaks to are his Makari equivilant, and Karak Eight Peaks is his Armageddon equivalent

    • @jahrusalem3658
      @jahrusalem3658 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@snickersbaja7706 But then who's his Yarrick?

    • @obamabiden
      @obamabiden 10 месяцев назад +1

      by process of elimination i suppose belegar ironhammer
      or, as a more out there suggestion: Skarsnik

  • @matthewyeldig4608
    @matthewyeldig4608 10 месяцев назад +73

    All this time... All this time we've wondered where the funny rat-men were... We didn't even stop to check under our noses!

    • @Draxynnic
      @Draxynnic 10 месяцев назад +6

      The 40K equivalent of halflings are even called ratlings, in some versions of the models I think they even have tails.

    • @matthewyeldig4608
      @matthewyeldig4608 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@Draxynnic (Pulls off sunglasses) Mother of god...

    • @bruce2655
      @bruce2655 10 месяцев назад +1

      classic Skaven

    • @roland228
      @roland228 9 месяцев назад +4

      You mean check in a mirror.

    • @matthewyeldig4608
      @matthewyeldig4608 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@roland228 ...Alright, fair-fair!

  • @ultraranger1286
    @ultraranger1286 10 месяцев назад +136

    Yes I've realized this as well. Eldars feel more human than the humans of the Imperium because the later feel more like rats while Eldars still have those Tolkein Elves characteristics.

    • @Draxynnic
      @Draxynnic 10 месяцев назад +47

      Possibly more accurately, the Asuryani still place value on the lives of their citizens. So from the modern human perspective, they're a much more functional society.

    • @PhthaloGreenskin
      @PhthaloGreenskin 9 месяцев назад +2

      Yes.

    • @adrianaslund8605
      @adrianaslund8605 9 месяцев назад +17

      Yeah the Eldar I feel are more like posthumans than the humans in 40k. With all human qualities separating us from apes refined. Greater dexterity, longevity, larger capacity for symbolic and abstract thought and complex social behaviours. With some similarities to the posthumans of Dune. The Bene Gesserit for example. The idea of humanity developing into some kind of hyperintelligent, decadent and sensuous species addicted to constant stimulation like the Dark Eldar also feels somewhat more relatable.

    • @Draxynnic
      @Draxynnic 9 месяцев назад +8

      @@adrianaslund8605 There is a degree to which the Eldar could be seen as a point to which 40k humans might evolve to if given the opportunity and if the warp was calmer and less destructive - longer lives, greater intelligence, greater psychic sensitivity, and a more developed sense of art.

    • @user-qi1jc1yn3o
      @user-qi1jc1yn3o 4 месяца назад

      Elves in Space 😂 probably why I am more inclined to Orc, or Ork because it is so different 🫡

  • @Senaneone
    @Senaneone 10 месяцев назад +28

    They hated him because he spoke the truth

  • @adarshkamoda9183
    @adarshkamoda9183 10 месяцев назад +26

    Pancreas, it's GW. They have goofed up before but when your brand is defined by it's scope and complexity, there's no way they missed the similarities to Skaven. Hell, it's probably a meta grimdark theme to make the Imperium look even worse. I'm all for it

  • @rararasputin7017
    @rararasputin7017 10 месяцев назад +89

    That is a Horus Heresy level take.
    But he's got a point

    • @andressotil4671
      @andressotil4671 10 месяцев назад +17

      How could anyone trust the guy? I mean his last name was literally Heresy

    • @yaelz6043
      @yaelz6043 10 месяцев назад +8

      So did Horus.

  • @channingtaintum
    @channingtaintum 10 месяцев назад +22

    My favorite parallel between the two is that their most abundant expendable resource is their own constituents, whom are used en masse to defend their own constituents. Never gets old.

  • @casmd2131
    @casmd2131 10 месяцев назад +19

    When the great horned rat becomes a thing in 40K, we all know Hermann Vin strab will be leading the charge as his demon prince.

  • @CarsonRH
    @CarsonRH 10 месяцев назад +101

    Yes finally! Someone else seeshumanity as the ratmen we we are.

    • @Piemasta9000
      @Piemasta9000 10 месяцев назад +12

      Yes-yes

    • @darkunor6687
      @darkunor6687 10 месяцев назад

      Yes inquisitor, this mo-moron right here.

    • @centercannothold
      @centercannothold 10 месяцев назад +4

      human do share 90% DNA with rat so is not really that far off.

  • @void-creature
    @void-creature 10 месяцев назад +35

    The main difference to me is that while both societies are absolutely terrible in very similar ways, within the imperium exist at least a few individual people who are decent.
    Though honestly I think it might be quite interesting to see something similar for the Skaven, where there ARE actually a small few rats who try to do what's best for their kind instead of just being selfish, but the society of the under empire just crushes rats like that.

    • @segismundosaulalex3065
      @segismundosaulalex3065 10 месяцев назад

      Just like most of the imperium crushes people who actually want to do something better for others because HERESY!
      That or another race is quickly to dispatch them.
      "There can be no hope in this hell... no hope at all..."

    • @Dingus_Khaan
      @Dingus_Khaan 9 месяцев назад +9

      I do like when settings do that sort of thing where factions can be systemically evil but there are good people within the bad system, and vise versa like the T'au Empire.

    • @ChucktheSpicyChicken
      @ChucktheSpicyChicken 9 месяцев назад +11

      If i remember correct there was a skaven slave that tried to raly other slaves for better lives, the other slaves were told if they kill the dude they will all be free. All the slave were killed and eaten.

    • @gamer47e17
      @gamer47e17 7 месяцев назад +1

      I believe there have been a few skaven that were like that, genuinely progressive, kind, etc, but they usually have to lose those qualities to survive, they get killed because such thoughts are a threat to the skaven power order, or they escape (or attempt to)

    • @kingalphawerewolf
      @kingalphawerewolf 7 месяцев назад

      You don't understand. The constant backstabbing and forward energy IS what's best for the skaven. It's why they're the greastest power in fanasty.

  • @justsomeogrewithinternetac1494
    @justsomeogrewithinternetac1494 10 месяцев назад +65

    I honestly love hrud. I think them being these ever present cryptid time warpers is cool. I'd prefer them to be made into more or less space skaven since them being reasonably advanced beings of decay and time warping who swarm means there thematically very space skaven. I actually really don't want "just rats" in space, but I think skaven thematically as an army fit.

  • @BustyBraixen
    @BustyBraixen 10 месяцев назад +11

    10:00 if there are any female skaven that dont get turned into one of those monstrosities, nobody will ever know because theyll never let anyone live long enough to tell if found out

    • @Chapien
      @Chapien 10 месяцев назад +1

      I always imagined some female skaven slipped through the cracks... But they're still skaven so if anyone learns they're female they die xD

    • @BustyBraixen
      @BustyBraixen 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@Chapien with the sheer number of skaven being born at a constant rate, it is unbelievable that every single female would be picked out for the broodmother treatment. Especially considering how sloppy amd unreliable almost every single skaven is, of course they'd miss a few female pups. Also, I'd imagine creating and maintaining a broodmother would be rather resource intensive, so I find it a little hard to believe that any given skaven clan even COULD make broodmothers out of all the females born, unless the sex ratio is VERY skewed and hardly any females are ever born

    • @Chapien
      @Chapien 10 месяцев назад

      @@BustyBraixen Sadly they never specify that there are more men than women born, so really we just don't know. AFAIK GW has not even brought up broodmothers in AoS.

    • @Kuhmuhnistische_Partei
      @Kuhmuhnistische_Partei 10 месяцев назад +3

      To be honest, I find it a bit weird, like most eusocial species (although you could argue that the Skaven are more of an eu-antisocial species) are either mostly females with males only existing as drones for reproduction (like with most eusocial insects) or it's like with naked mole-rats and you have more or less a 50/50 distribution but the queens emit some sort of hormon that basically chemically spays all the other females. And once the queen dies the daughters start to fight for dominance until one (usually the one who produces the most offspring) becomes the new queen and monopolizes sexual reproduction again - one of these war of successions in captivity lasted 16 months and nine mole-rats died. The queens are also a lot bigger than normal female workers, but they mostly grow in length so they can still move through the tunnels. They are also super aggressive against all of the unfertile workers and even against sexually unproductive males (there are usually 1-3 non-related males in a colony with the privilege to mate with the queen; although as soon as they start to become sexually active, they actually start to age rapidly).
      I feel like you could just take this for the skaven and it would totally fit. And it would make sense, like when a breeding mother dies, they can immediately be replaced; well, not without some conflict that will first kill off half of the clan I guess. And let's be honest, skaven look more like mole-rats than normal rats anyway. Barely anyone of them has any fur.

    • @longwlenguyen4214
      @longwlenguyen4214 4 месяца назад

      @@Kuhmuhnistische_Parteiyeah but naked mole rat also opposite of Skaven had somewhat anti cancer gene, live way longer than normal lifespan of rats and had a metabolism of a plant, the queen are the boss of their under kingdom unlike ant queen or Skaven “mother”, the queen can command and bully anyone around her so to her harem boy toy can have the same privilege, weirdly enough despite their society being hierarchical and smelly but when it come to food everyone is equal.

  • @jiado6893
    @jiado6893 10 месяцев назад +9

    0:26 “ deservedly or not.” I am so glad to hear someone else in the fandom say this. GW’e hyper focus on the Imperium isn’t just bad for crowding out the other factions of the species. Taking them so seriously (and not in the FUN over-serious kind) ends up missing the point that everything they do is stupid, and that fascism is a loser form of government.

  • @whogoeshere
    @whogoeshere 10 месяцев назад +20

    I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying how dare you?!

  • @jaredmartinez7323
    @jaredmartinez7323 10 месяцев назад +53

    How could you say something so controversial yet so brave

  • @transhumanhivemind3048
    @transhumanhivemind3048 10 месяцев назад +81

    Honestly I never really thought about it And at first I thought it was just some weird funny hot take but then I started thinking about it and I'm coming to the realization that that makes a weird amount of sense. I mean the imperium certainly is nothing like the empire from fantasy battle aside from the most loosest sense possible. God it's like the empire and the skaven had a baby and the result was the imperium of Man. At least that's what my thoughts are before I even watch the video

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 10 месяцев назад +16

      I mean
      They're also the Lizardmen.
      Space Marines are Saurus, bioengineered super soldiers with little ability outside of war.
      The Imperium has massive piles of technology they don't use, because the ones who know how are dead or missing.
      They have a giant, psychically powerful toad mummy on a portapotty preventing everything from exploding.
      Their leadership is stupidly overpowered, but eternally absent.
      They are weirdly omnicidal despite ostensibly being the "good guys" and definitely fighting the bad guys.

    • @transhumanhivemind3048
      @transhumanhivemind3048 10 месяцев назад

      @@aprinnyonbreak1290 HAHAHA 🤣 Oh my god you are right You actually have a point there. They are the God forsaken love child of the empire, skaven and f****** lizard men!!!🤣

    • @monotov4765
      @monotov4765 10 месяцев назад

      @@aprinnyonbreak1290 the imperium is a mix between the mortal kingdoms of the old world quite simply... from Bretonnia to Katey concerning the Skaven in the idea they are closer to the Necrons and the Tyranids in many aspects at least from what I know old world lore...

  • @OneReallyGrumpyJill
    @OneReallyGrumpyJill 9 месяцев назад +7

    Okay, but Skaven actually existing in 40K and worshipping Emperor as the aspect of Great Horned Rat would be pretty neat and a cool move on GW. They won't do it, but can you imagine.

  • @Magnustopheles
    @Magnustopheles 10 месяцев назад +9

    RATS
    WE'RE RATS
    WE'RE THE RATS

  • @CrimsonUltrafox
    @CrimsonUltrafox 10 месяцев назад +6

    The Emperor is the Great Horned Rat. It all makes perfect sense.

  • @memethief5878
    @memethief5878 9 месяцев назад +5

    Fun fact. You can find skaven symbols in darktide

  • @dank_smirk2ndchannel200
    @dank_smirk2ndchannel200 10 месяцев назад +18

    12:19 the Skaven actually do have a Titan-equivalent in AoS called a Parasite Engine.
    Parasite Engines (named for their rapacious plunder of the realms) are basically giant, walking cities created by the Clans Skryre from the underground semi-liquid warpstone to conquer and corrupt the Scabrous Sprawl while keeping them safe from the Gargants. They follow geomantic lines to extract nodes of Warpstone and other subterranean riches leaving behind underground factories and glowing craters, the land tainted and writhing in ruin at their passing.
    Each Parasite Engine is a many-legged, segmented abominations powered by enormous warpstone furnaces fuelled by miner-claws and deforestation maws. The chief Warlock Engineers of each of these machines compete with their rivals by creating bigger and more powerful designs. Each has unique feature, with the likes of the Drill-Stabber being a mix of rat and mosquito while others like the Scrabble-Chewer was a city made to crunch through bedrock.

  • @MiguelFlores-pg8fi
    @MiguelFlores-pg8fi 10 месяцев назад +27

    After going through the first five audiobooks of Gotrek and Felix, it all true and hey they’re funny as hell while doing whatever the hell they do

  • @nerdyvids1
    @nerdyvids1 10 месяцев назад +11

    I’ve been thinking this for years, glad someone with production abilities finally put it to record.

  • @MyMomSaysImKeen
    @MyMomSaysImKeen 10 месяцев назад +9

    By the Horned Emporer this upload better have your old public domain song playing ad nauseum in the background.

  • @Invizive
    @Invizive 10 месяцев назад +44

    I've been thinking the same for years
    The things they have in common is what makes them both awesome and objectively superior

  • @EDuarteVillanueva
    @EDuarteVillanueva 10 месяцев назад +4

    This recontextualizes the Great Crusade as the 40k galaxy's Vermintide

  • @ce4879
    @ce4879 10 месяцев назад +7

    My first connection to the two was playing Dawn of War expansion and noticed the Imperial Guard’s best gimmick was moving massed of troops underground between buildings so they could swarm opponents while their heroes would kill a few cowards off to keep them fighting.
    Also three fun notes:
    1. Skaven in AoS do a lore-version if titans with the parasite engines that infected Behemat’s body back in the Realmgate Wars. They were like walking Skaven cities on the backs on mechanical spiders or centipedes that would lower down to gobble up entire forests to keep their warpstone furnaces burning, their size and purpose was to corrupt the continental leylines in Behemat’s body like mosquitoes injecting infected blood to weaken him so Archaon could enslave him.
    2. Stormcast Eternals were noted back then to have slain countless billions of Skaven nearly wiping them out and now the recent Skaven tome confirms that was true. Why was this possible? Because even though the GHR got forewarned knowledge by clans Eshin of Sigmar’s newest legions to reclaim the realms(and bring about the Age of Sigmar) he actually kept the info to himself so as to use it at the perfect moment and gain the upper hand over the other dark gods.
    ….but that meant not even telling his own people of the coming tempest so they got completely blindsided by these 8 foot-tall Ogor-strong immortal supermen that can blast in on lightning anywhere including deep underground tunnels to even underwater passages and bring overwhelming firepower or super-sized magic weapons to bear.
    If not for Clans Verminous(the warrior clans that love battle) making last stands until Chaos as a whole was able to turn it’s attention on the new threat and get it’s forces momentum against them then the Skaven would’ve been wiped out of the Realms almost entirely.
    3. When attacking Alarielle in Broken Realms she turned the tables and had one cornered who tried to beg his way out that “it wouldn’t be right for a life goddess to kill someone that’s only 3 years old”. She agreed and turned him into a tree. 🌳

  • @listenherejack
    @listenherejack 10 месяцев назад +7

    I can only imagine just how hard Colin was laughing at the idea of just how many people he would upset with the video title

  • @gallusdomesticuskfptechpriest
    @gallusdomesticuskfptechpriest 10 месяцев назад +28

    The Imperium and Skaven are the exact same narratively speaking, you can frankly swap them in a lot of stories without changing much...
    Also, Ikit Claw for Fabricator-General. Neo-phosphex for everyone!

  • @kuradamax
    @kuradamax 10 месяцев назад +7

    Love that this video cane out around the same time i started gluing spare skaven heads to guardsmen bodies, really good timing there!

  • @mistertaz94
    @mistertaz94 10 месяцев назад +6

    No no folks. Let him cook.

  • @kemalkeser7682
    @kemalkeser7682 10 месяцев назад +13

    I was sad about 40k not having space rats. This makes me feel better about it, lol.

  • @Draxynnic
    @Draxynnic 10 месяцев назад +5

    I'll have to keep this in mind as a means of simultaneously trolling the imperium superfanatics and the skaven superfanatics.

  • @mausolus8466
    @mausolus8466 10 месяцев назад +3

    And another glaring middlefinger to Imperium-lovers. I salute you, good sir!

    • @wolfylarered8474
      @wolfylarered8474 2 месяца назад

      Middle finger?
      This the best that we can happened to all the imperium fans
      We are the rats all along

  • @videocrowsnest5251
    @videocrowsnest5251 10 месяцев назад +3

    I am still at awe at the amazing pun that is a ratling gun (which likely goes rat-a-rat-a-rat-a when it shoots to boot.) I can only dream of one day cracking such a good one myself.

  • @benjaminstorace6699
    @benjaminstorace6699 10 месяцев назад +9

    Yes. With a seasoning of "The Empire of Man" and "The undead hordes of Nagash"

  • @EightPhasesofTwilight
    @EightPhasesofTwilight 10 месяцев назад +8

    I feel like Queek is the only Skaven that isn't an outright backstabber like the rest. Although he's unique in having a pride problem of wanting to say he's better than you as he stabs you in the face.

    • @gigachad5961
      @gigachad5961 9 месяцев назад

      Queek is still a backstabbing rat however his loyal bodyguard ska blood tail is actually a genuine loyal skaven to queek

  • @void-creature
    @void-creature 10 месяцев назад +3

    Technologically, the difference is that the Imperium's Tech makes sense, but they just don't know how it works.
    The Skaven's tech meanwhile doesn't make any sense, but they somehow figured it out regardless.

  • @cooldudeninja0219
    @cooldudeninja0219 10 месяцев назад +12

    you know I heard about a race rat creatures similar to the skaven on a planet somewhere in the galaxy of 40k that was deemed not worth it to inhabit. So if I can make a theory it would be like the Tau a warp storm could hit the planet and somehow those rats become the Skaven. Though that if the bugs don't try to eat them first and if they can survive a warp storm in the first place.

  • @OneDapperFrog
    @OneDapperFrog 10 месяцев назад +5

    If you want to play as Skaven in the 40k tabletop, you could probably do it just fine if you use GSC rules and Skaven models.

    • @R17inator
      @R17inator 10 месяцев назад

      Or the Veer-Myn from Warpath.

  • @onyks991
    @onyks991 10 месяцев назад +3

    Mechanicus making servitors is just clan moulder tbh

  • @earnestbrown6524
    @earnestbrown6524 10 месяцев назад +6

    Played at a game store where we did alot of 3+ player mult fights. The guard had a house rule the if a commissars was within 6in of a unit could fire into melee. Roll hits then roll to see what side got hit. Called it "For the Good of the Imperium."

  • @brycedolishny4138
    @brycedolishny4138 10 месяцев назад +6

    @Pancreasnowork The Scaven titans/knights are the rat ogres. Not just in size but also in that knights absorb the consciousness of their former pilots and ogres are amalgamations too.

  • @sssuperslayer25
    @sssuperslayer25 10 месяцев назад +2

    Any video about the Skaven is a great video. Hearing you talk about the skaven gives me more pleasure than watching Bretonnian peasants get rin down by steam tanks or shredded by ratling guns.

  • @akumaking1
    @akumaking1 10 месяцев назад +4

    Well, you’re not wrong . . .

  • @sirunklydunk8861
    @sirunklydunk8861 10 месяцев назад +3

    I thought we knew this already

  • @germakenjuju
    @germakenjuju 10 месяцев назад +6

    I love when people bring up the Babybjörn Battle Mech

  • @greeses5482
    @greeses5482 10 месяцев назад +2

    I love that the skaven phone is called "farsqueaker"

  • @MissNulle2000
    @MissNulle2000 10 месяцев назад +2

    The greyknight babycarrier is indeed something a Skaven would make.
    Imagine!
    Staring down upon the puny man-things as you stride proudly into battle!
    Peering down victoriously from above in your Doom-Throne!

  • @SonnyBear5
    @SonnyBear5 10 месяцев назад +4

    your age of empires and age of mythology bgm really sets the tone. awesome work dude

  • @dinodude6992
    @dinodude6992 10 месяцев назад +14

    Pancreas out here pulling the pin on the metaphorical grenade that might make his pronouns: was/were like a mad lad and I can already see the reasoning one could make when looking at the skaven and the imperium.

  • @Khornecussion
    @Khornecussion 10 месяцев назад +2

    " Every single skaven is a backstabbing bastard. " Clan Mors is gonna come stab you in the chest to make a point.

  • @yeastov5470
    @yeastov5470 8 месяцев назад +2

    It's also kind of hilarious how many parallels there are between the Skaven and the company I work for. Clearly I need to bring carry more warpstone to job work.

  • @TCStink3
    @TCStink3 10 месяцев назад +6

    Based af take

  • @ThatOneMan830
    @ThatOneMan830 10 месяцев назад +6

    I thought space Skaven applied to the ICOG from the Xeelee Sequence, but the Imperium fits a bit too.

  • @GreasusGoldtooth
    @GreasusGoldtooth 10 месяцев назад +2

    "You are now thinking of a Skaven Sister of Battle."
    Well, I just learned something new and deeply concerning about myself.

  • @kevinaustin51
    @kevinaustin51 10 месяцев назад +2

    2:05 had me rolling had to stop the video I was laughing so much poor little guy🤣

  • @ancientgearsynchro
    @ancientgearsynchro 10 месяцев назад +19

    I keep telling my Fantasy friends that we have skaven in 40k....they are just alot more pink skinned.

  • @wyvernharries4788
    @wyvernharries4788 10 месяцев назад +7

    All the yes. Yesen't, Yesrn't.

  • @OspreyKnight
    @OspreyKnight 7 месяцев назад +2

    Don't need to imagine Skaven sisters of battle... the things I have seen... and approve of.

  • @_Tomon
    @_Tomon 10 месяцев назад +1

    There goes the imperium reputation. "Oh rats!"

  • @dog_2172
    @dog_2172 7 месяцев назад +3

    just imagine this: Skaven marines

  • @basementdweller2894
    @basementdweller2894 10 месяцев назад +4

    skaven undercities on hive worlds would just be more hive world

  • @charliesleeper7318
    @charliesleeper7318 9 месяцев назад +1

    Age of Mythology bangers never get old.

  • @peco0012
    @peco0012 8 месяцев назад +2

    Imagine if they put these guys in 40k and they were an actually functioning empire, perhaps new and untested like the tau but still. it would be funny if the space skaven were more functional and competent than the imperium

  • @KonstantineMortis13
    @KonstantineMortis13 9 месяцев назад +3

    As both a Skaven and Guard player, you may think the comparison is insulting...
    But this pleases the Great Horned Emperor.

  • @Tortle-Man
    @Tortle-Man 10 месяцев назад +3

    Tbh, I do want space skaven in 40k. I know the way to do it to. When we eventually get a dark mechanicum army their basic line troops could be some very suspiciously ratty soldiers.

  • @andreasbuehler1821
    @andreasbuehler1821 10 месяцев назад +1

    I did it the other way round. I kitbashed ork mechs into Skaven mechs and used them as mounts for my generals and hellpit abominations.

  • @ahmadtarek7763
    @ahmadtarek7763 10 месяцев назад +1

    The title just feels wrong to read, but is surprisingly very accurate.

  • @federationprime
    @federationprime 10 месяцев назад +3

    I think Skaven might be able to survive, especially if they come into contact with a minor Ork group first. They have spacecraft, repeating firearms, energy weapons, genetic modification, psykers, and even atomic weapons.

  • @blairdurward4324
    @blairdurward4324 10 месяцев назад +5

    This makes me love the skaven more

  • @thomaswitten8662
    @thomaswitten8662 10 месяцев назад

    I was sitting in the middle of lecture thinking about this topic and then you posted the video

  • @mnk9073
    @mnk9073 10 месяцев назад +1

    What do you think the Tyranids are fleeing from? A planet sized hamsterwheel of doom made out of pure warpstone powered by a miriad of Skaven, randomly vaporising galaxies for the lulz.

  • @noregrets5258
    @noregrets5258 10 месяцев назад +3

    Yet another hot take from our favorite diabetic.

  • @scurrystopthat9985
    @scurrystopthat9985 10 месяцев назад +8

    Hol up. He's got a point

  • @_NIKOS9_NIKOS
    @_NIKOS9_NIKOS 10 месяцев назад +2

    Actually the Skaven were name dropped at an old Codex (they were used as an example of xenos that use poison weapons).
    Later in a Kill Team Novel, those Rat Men (or Hrud ) were spotted among other Tau auxiliaries and were described by an Inquisitor as a species of SKAVENgers that are wide spread in the entire galaxy and live in underground cities and are considered as Vermin.
    So a case can be made that Skaven do exist in 40K and were just mistaken for Hrud because some random Inquisitor or Rogue Trader mixed their notes

    • @wiegraf9009
      @wiegraf9009 10 месяцев назад +2

      Everyone just pretends they don't exist as per usual

  • @dr.kinderman5290
    @dr.kinderman5290 10 месяцев назад +1

    Honestly, im very glad you made this. I thought I was nuts when I noticed some of the similarities...