tsunade scales off madara in the same sense that ichiogo could still sense aizen's spiritual pressure. There is a point to ba made but they aren't actually comparable.
Tsunade fans be like: “Tsunade participated in a fight with Raikage and Madara, therefore he’s as strong as madara and as fast as Raikage” lmfao Jogo participated in a fight with Gojo and Sukuna therefore Jogo is as strong as Gojo and Sukuna
@zirotsero6951 No. She survived many attempts to kill her by Madara and should be relative to Ay in speed when both are in their highest forms. It isn't just the participation. It is that things happened in that fight that have real scaling implications if you aren't lazy brained. Yes, Madara is far stronger than everyone in question. No, he was not using his full power against them. That does not mean he was not trying to kill them, and they were able to stop him as he kept escalating his jutsu. One example is taking out the 25 wood clones with a jutsu that 100H Tsunade and Ohnoki performed in one-shot just them. People can act like that's not a feat, when Madara's whole purpose was to show them how hopeless things actually were for them. So, the things he was sending at them were always meant to be life-threatening, and they kept surprising him. A majority of it, they'd have been more screwed with MS Sasuke on the team in place of Tsunade than they were. It is never stated or implied that he was weakening the defense of his Susanoo parts during the fight either. Even if he and MS Sasuke are using the same amount of Susanoo visually, we have every reason to assume that Madara's is more durable. By a lot. So whether or not Tsunade could damage MS Sasuke's susanoo has never been a question in my mind.
@Darkmagecurt because relative does not mean equal. Let me explain my logic here. It isn't just "the kage fought together, so there." That's stupid. It is simple, Ay is the fastest of the kage, but he's not so much faster than the others that they would have no chance against him in combat. That and this was a fight neither of them could afford to hold anything back. So, while we can't use it for the most objective scaling, we see everything they had to offer an opponent and each other. So conclusions can be drawn. Conclusions like, if they were able to fight effectively without anyone having to nerf themselves to accommodate, or any one person carrying the whole bag, they should all 5 be relative to one another. To elaborate on how I approach speed scaling, I think of it like this: If A can move 1/10 the speed of B, then A can move 1 ft in the same amount of time it takes B to move 10. I don't mean this to sound condescending, if it does. I just want to be clear. So if B sends an attack, let's just say at A's heart, from 10 feet away A should be able to avoid the fatal hit, and could possibly avoid it all together, defend, or counter. So I would say they have relative speed. If C is 10 times fast than B, that makes it 100 times faster than A. A would need 100 feet to react to the same attack from C. They are not relative.
The arrow and amaterasu are gonna be a huge problem for her. She isn't as fast as the raikage so she isn't just gonna be able to dodge it, and that's the version of summit Sasuke
Madara said war arc sasuke doesn't come close to his level - This sasuke isn't giving Tsunade any problems - She breaks his susanoo arrows like she did with madara's swords and she can dodge amaterasu as her physical speed is compared to ohnoki amped ay and her reaction speed is great than ay's - Madara could react to v2's speed and block and took no damage but couldn't react to Tsunade punching him apart while trying to dodge without any assistance unlike ay who had assistance with mei.
@OkairMcLaren that's blatantly incorrect. First off did you watch the video, second Madara was sand banging the entire fight. It took tsunade two mental amps to shatter Madara's ribkage susanno. She does not have speed on par with the V2 raikage nor oonki since she admits blatant inferiority to them speed wise in that same battle so she isn't dodging amaterasu. The fist against Madara shouldn't be used in any tangible discussion because again Madara was sandbagging harder then anyone in the series ever really has. And comparing a rib kage to Sasuke's human or even armored susanno is laughable consider the raikage went from somewhat busting through with the ribkage to wonder how he's supposed to get through Sasuke's skeletal susanno right after it was unlocked Madara never even said that about Sasuke, in fact tobirama and Madara say the exact opposite. Tobirama mentions that peak EMS Sasuke was creaping in on Madara's level when he was alive and Madara complements the sharpness of Sasuke's Sharingan as the best he's ever seen aside from his own. Even going so far as to say he would have made the perfect partner in replacement of obito if he was born just a bit earlier
@@OkairMcLaren like come on dude, in chapter 577 Madara literally says she's slower than the raikage even after a mental amp. She even fails to break the ribkage that same chapter needed another mental amp for that and the assistance of the ribkage hitting it at a different angle When Madara was blown apart that was a wood clone if you so conveniently forgot
@@jiero3253 Tsunade punched edo madara and not a wood clone, indicated by edo tensei ash and madara not reverting to wood so please reread the chapter - Tsunade completely shatters madara's ribcage susanoo with one kick after he repairs the damage - Her fist was going to completely shatter it had madara not jumped back as more cracks were appearing while she was still in contact with the susanoo - Madara substituted for a wood clone narrowly avoid being sealed Madara literally states that sasuke doesn't come close to his level in chapter 657 when Sasuke hits madara with amaterasu and he just tanks and sheds his armour - Madara literally reacts to and blocks v2 Ay's speed and didn't take any damage from his punch with help from Mei backing him up - Madara later compares ohnoki amped Ay and Tsunade in speed and power so she is quite fast
@OkairMcLaren How can you compare the two in speed when Madara verbatim says she's slower than the raikage normally, that makes zero sense. As I said before she was mentally amped to the moon and Madara was sand bagging her. He was truly never at threat of sealing a single time in that fight, he even mentions to zetsu later on that regeneration makes him flight extremely slopply on top of how hard he was holding back. Madara makes that assertion about fresh from fighting Obito fatigued EMS Sasuke, someone who mind you was fighting on par with Naruto in KCM2 sage mode. Madara literally takes his statement back about Sasuke after fighting him a bit and asks sasuke to join him, blatantly saying he'd make a better right hand man than Obito, who himself would probably have no issue with the kage Tsuande is blatantly slower than the raikage without her mental amps. The same raikage that needs V2 and the body flicker to evade amaterasu. By the time of the danzo fight which is the Sasuke we consider in this hypothetical his hatred has grown which applifies all an Uchiha's stats as Thier chakra gets denser and colder. One look at her center mass and she's burning up. The arrow will likely pierce straight through her like Madara's sword does. These arrows are so fast that Kakashi someone who goes onto be fighting on par with guy a few days later could only react via defensive Kamui.
Okay I'll preface by saying that I think sasuke should win against tsunade like 7/10 times. His kit is very effective against hers. That said there's a no of postulations and conclusions which I think are a bit too far. For starters, you can make the postulation that tsunade can't break through sasuke's armored susano. For starters she can break the sword of one of madaras skeletal susano as well as break thru his ribcage susano. This is highly impressive as we know madaras susano is much stronger than sasuke's. Ay could break sasuke's ribcage while he couldn't dent madaras. The upscale from the madara showings should lend credence to her being able to break sasuke's armored susano Secondly, the genjutsu gg is kinda farcical to me. If it was such an instant win con why didn't he it work on ay (ay noted it wouldn't work). Plus even if it were to work we know u need good chakra control to break out of genjutsu and tsunades shtick is literally that. Plus the assumption that tsunade doesn't know how to fight against Sharingan is kinda silly, everyone and their mom knows to not look them in the eye. It's kinda weird for leaf ninja to watch uchiha fight and see the sharingan in action and not see what others do to counter it and not note that strategy down should they need to fight an uchiha. In regards to speed, tsunade should be in the same weight class as sasuke. U can argue marginal differences but this shouldn't be something that someone would be saying one can blitz the other. The very scene u mention tsunade being impressed at naruto being able to keep up with v1 ay, she later says she will fight ay to allow naruto to leave. Now yes, there's the overconfident trope in fiction and a character stating they'd do something doesn't mean that they can, ask any gojo fan. But tsunade has literally seen ays v1 speed. Unless u believe she's an idiot or has the memory of a goldfish, she knows that she can combat someone as fast as that to allow naruto and b to leave. Also, the susano arrow has almost become a boogeyman for sasuke scaling. The 'blitz weapon' everyone says. As u mention, danzo literally reacts and utilizes wood style to redirect it aftersasuke fires it. When he was using izanagi, he didn't care to dodge. When sasuke fired it kakashi, he mentioned if not for kamui he'd have died, yeah but he doesn't have any other jutsu potent enough to block or redirect it. He could still react to it nonetheless. Plus should sasuke hit tsunade with the arrow, it would likely be a body shot (cuz that's all he did) and it would be no different from when madara stabbed tsunade with a susano sword. She would pull out the arrow and beat down sasuke's susano with it. Finally, sasuke at this point in the story has never displayed the use of amaterasu and kagatsuchi to the level of what u say he would do. If he could control and shape the amaterasu on people to attack them why didn't he do so on the raikage or make the amaterasu run along gaaras sand and burn him. All in all, as I said I don't disagree with ur conclusions, just that some of ur postulations are a bit too much imo. Anyways good video.
A few things regarding upscaling Susanoo: Ay did dent (more like chipped) Madara's Susano'o, Madara's Susano'o was at a higher developmental stage (had a spine while Sasuke's did not) Sasuke's chakra went on to become more powerful than when he fought Ay (it was completely different by the time the completed and armoured versions came up) and you cannot really upscale two _different_developmental stages of Susanoo. Madara's Susanoo is stronger than Sasuke's at the _same_ developmental stage, but there's no basis for a lower form of Madara's to be stronger than a higher form of Sasuke's. It's be one thing if Ay could break a higher version of Sasuke's yet failed against a lower version of Madara's... but that didn't happen so there's no real point of comparison there. Rest are solid points though. Genjutsu would at best give Sasuke an opening, and Tsunade already showed that she doesn't cared about getting skewered.
Yeah i think you're underrating Sasuke heavily, especially his susanoo durability... We don't have a clear margin for how much stronger Madara's ribcage would be in comparison to Peak FKS Sasuke. The version of Sasuke's Susanoo that Ay broke through was far weaker than even Sasuke's full Skeletal Susanoo let alone his Hatred Amped Humanoid one(the stage right before the armored one, with the Bow). Tsunade breaking through Madara's ribcage and the smaller sword is NOT a good indication of whether or not she can actually even dent Sasuke's Armored Susanoo... I'm pretty sure it was implied that Ay's Lightning Chakra Cloak provided some general basic resistance to Sasuke 3 Tomoe Sharingan genjutsu. Regardless even if that wasnt the case, I wouldn't use that to claim Tsunade would somehow be resistant in the same way that Ay was. Cee(a skilled sensor and Genjutsu type shinobi), was caught and unable to break out of the genjutsu. I'm personally drawing a blank on where it was ever stated that Tsunade's "shtick" is amazing chakra control, but I'll just believe you. Unless you're referring to her amazing Medical Ninjutsu which I suppose does take incredible chakra control. Chakra control for pure Genjutsu resistance could generally be different in comparison to Medical ninjutsu given what Kakashi stated about Sakura. Honestly I do think Tsunade can probably break out of Sasuke's genjutsu although I doubt it'd be instantaneous. And also Sasuke arrow is DEFINITELY a Blitz-tier above Tsunade's speed. Danzo and Kakashi simply reacted to it, but neither of them showcased the ability to actually move out of its way... I don't see a good argument for Tsunade doing the same either, and unlike Kakashi and Danzo she doesnt have anything that could redirect or block it other than maybe Katsuyu(thats assuming she has the handsigns prepared before the arrow is shot). Obviously the Arrow isnt a reaction-blitz tier above Tsunade, but rarely are things ever a complete reaction blitz tier above either character in Naruto(assuming they're in similiar weightclasses)..
For whatever reason people seem to forget that she was keeping up with the 5 Madara clones who used full body Susanoo and had access to both the Sharingan and Rennigan abilities, and she was so well that she time to rest for a bit and take a breath so I assume she knocked a few of them out. Not to mention that prior to her activating her seal she was healing and recovering the 5 Kages and restoring their Chakra, let’s remember that Onoki and Gaara were almost out of Chakra in the beginning of the fight so she restored a whole lot of their chakra
Sasuke full armour susanoo is stronger than madara’s ribcage. Where did you get that information from? Just because it’s madara? That’s like saying madara skeleton susanoo is stronger than sasuke’s perfect susanoo because madara is stronger that sasuke, see how dumb that sounds?
Tbh, i dont think Katsuyu dies to Amaterasu. She can split herself, kinda like Naruto shedding his 9 Tails Chakra against Sasuke. He can just use Amaterasu on Tsunade, idk if she has the speedfeats to dodge it, i dont think so @@knightmarecx2069
Another video about how an Uchiha beats another non-Uchiha. I thought it was gonna be a new take but another Sasuke dub is not an interesting topic. Similarly to talking about itachi or Obito in 95% of fights. Thumbed up the vid because I like to support.
the problem is that theres no non important uchiha, with the 4 uchiha in the story which 2 are god reincarnated, 1 fought and lived minato as a child and 1 put a godlike genjutsu on a sage mode kabuto. sadly the uchiha sweep cant stop
I agree. I think they're forgetting that spamming his ocular powers makes him go blind. That's why he backed down from fighting the rest of Squad 7. He couldn't see almost anything anymore. They're using 5 Kage summit Sasuke and that was before he gained Itachi's eyes. That means he also doesn't have Amaterasu and he starts off with a half-baked Susanoo. If Tsunade had been the one at the Summit rather than Danzo, I think she would have done well. She MIGHT not win, and we can't prove that since it didn't happen, but I think she's in a way better spot than they're giving her.
@@ancladar8302did u even read the story? all the clans before that either were killed off or married into different clans 😂 all on par with the uchiha and are we not forgetting that 1 they were massacred and 2 there were only a few uchiha outta dere clan that contributed to the story at all? 💀
@@jag-hw7wd Tsunade fans be like: “Tsunade participated in a fight with Raikage and Madara, therefore he’s as strong as madara and as fast as Raikage” lmfao Jogo participated in a fight with Gojo and Sukuna therefore Jogo is as strong as Gojo and Sukuna (Made this joke in another comment but damn it’s also appropriate here)
Tsunade has some truly crazy glazers, I have seen a guy on a RUclips comment saying Tsunade could defeat War Arc Kakashi and Guy at the same time, and that she would even beat 8th gate Guy by outlasting him
But she can - Kakashi and Guy don't have anything to put her down, kakashi ain't dodging her attacks even with his sharingan because Madara couldn't with his ems which he got blown up for - She also has katsuyu that completely negates guy's and kakashi's entire moveset
@ Damn it’ wasn’t you I was talking about, but I remembered seeing a comment by you in the same video, I had to go back and check to be sure and it is hahahaha It seems you made a career out of going to every Tsunade video and claming people are downplaying her, well good for you, I wish I had that much of a passion for something in life Well I know it will be no use trying to use any racional arguments because inside your delusion you refuse to listen to reason so just carry on spilling ridiculous fanfiction. But I think you are still not as bad as the guy I originally mentioned
@@OkairMcLarenshe did not hit ems madara he wasn’t even trying at all which is what he stated and he let himself get hit they literally all got one shot by madara
Basically… you can’t scale Tsunade from the madara fight. This is the first time Tsunade has been scaled without someone saying “Kabuto is better than me in my prime” 🤢. I thought they’d use that to downplay her. I’ve never heard Tsunade get too much credit.. only shit on
I love the channel Six, but this is just 21 minutes of dragging Tsunade through the dirt. I already knew Sasuke would take this, but damn cut her a little slack.
tsunade just aint all that, her arsenal sucks and she has low battle iq. i can see ppl like deidara and sasori beating her even tho she should "outscale" them
@@skdkdn9142That's ridiculous, because we all know how a character match up can be and making one vs the other where one is clearly stronger is literally the opposite of the spirit of Shonen debates. You're gonna start reducing the likability of a character because of a few tiktokers say?? Like, she HARDLY gets mentioned and THIS is what she gets in these videos?? That's why I don't even look at Shonen debate videos anymore cause these creators are all copy paste.
@@sazude2 when did i say i aint like her shes lit my top 2 female characters in the show she gets mentioned all the time cus of her feats against madara when if u read the show n acc understood the context around those feats u realise theyre not as impressive as every glazer says they are naruto TikTokers feel like they need to prove a point that they’re not misogynistic so they glaze characters like konan sakura and tsunade way higher than they acc are just to prove a point ik this much as when u acc do debunk their points and they have no argument they always go back to “if u hate women just say tht”
She didn't "almost become old and white" she just jokingly commented on the fact she's taking alot, becouse, you know... SHE WAS CUT IN HALF... Karin showed 0 signs of any of that afterwards, disingenuous argument...
She didn't fully restore Tsuande, she just gave her some chakra for her seal to stabilize itself which it did after she received the chakra from Karin. She also shared this chakra that Karin gave her to heal herself and the kages via katsuyu simultaneously
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I want to like this, but the downplay is horrendous. The difference between Rinnegan Hashirama cell amped Madara and 5k-summit Sasuke is too vast to compare their feats. Like, let's be serious. Breaking through his susanoo ribcage and breaking through MS Sasuke's susanoo ribcage are not on the same tier at all. Of course she took some damage, the fireball was shot by Madara Uchiha. Edo or not, he has mastered EMS, mastered Rinnegan, and Hashirama cells. Each of which are monstrous amps on their own. If you wanna claim genjutsu gg, I'll buy it, but come on, man. The things you are trying to compare are not the same. You are also high balling 5KS Sasuke. Let's be honest. He did pierce the V1 cloak. However, go back and peep what happens next. I'm pretty sure he goes V2 for this, but the Lateral Chop made Sasuke cough up blood through an Ameratsu Susanoo ribcage. The anime makes it even worse, because the Lateral chop is supposed to use his full momentum. But he stops his momentum and then does a stationary follow through. MS Sasuke was casually blitzed here, too. After having his Amaterasu straight up dodged. So I will die on the hill that the V2 full powered Leg Drop would've ended Sasuke's career. Gaara's sand speed feat. Cough* Cough*. Let's say I'm wrong. Flexing his half body susanoo gassed him so bad Mei almost killed him. Then he immediately almost gets annihilated by Ohnoki. See, narratively, I believe this was sending the message that Sasuke wasn't quite there yet. That was because it wasn't personal yet. He was just throwing a tantrum. And none of these kage are resolve amped except maybe Raikage, but I just think he's more bloodlusted. Just to be clear. When he fights Danzo, is when this Sasuke maxes out his MS. He's coming off of at least 2 near death experiences, fully healed, and locked in. The atmosphere around this Sasuke is far more cold than crazy. He wanted Danzo bad. Didn't help that Danzo talked shit on Itachi, and he absolutely got what he deserved. But Sasuke also blinded himself in just two endeavors. This shows how far he was digging for that win. Compared to Itachi with a fatal disease, who took years for his vision to degrade. So I say all of this to say that Danzo and Sasuke neither one belonged at that summit. He might not have been able to fight the other kage alone, but he was more than enough to kill the wannabe kage. Both had lied, stolen, killed, etc, to be where they were, but only one could walk away. Type shit. Anyways, one more thing in favor of Tsunade being stronger than you are making her sound. MS Edo Itachi's Yasaka Beads helped blow up Nagato on Eight Tail and Nine Tail juice's planetary devastation. Do I have to list off Madara's amps again to point out why eating one of his Yasaka Beads is absolutely insane? Sure she's not on his an Hashirama's level, but damn. How many people can pin down the Ten-Tails with a single jutsu? Plus, it was just her and Ohnoki's combined chakra that took out 25 Madara wood clones each with more developed Susanoo's than MS Itachi or MS Sasuke. She doesn't have to scale to Madara's max to scale above others based on how she performed against the wood clones alone. They also have Rinnegan and full body Susanoo. Tell me what MS Sasuke is doing to a single one of those. Damn I keep noticing things as I go. She used Mitotic Regeneration during the teleport to the battlefield. 100 Healings isn't activated til during the fight. That's an amp to her chakra, all her physical stats, and her healing. She can also summon a larger portion of Katsuyu, and her acid should be more potent than Mei's. To just give more credit to a feat you mentioned. She may not be able to heal on the same level as Hashirama, but to keep herself alive on death's door without MR or 100H active is nuts. Katsuyu can't heal on her own. She can just funnel chakra between her bodies. So Tsunade is still the one providing the healing chakra to herself, while in two separate pieces. That's bananas. She's wasn't known as the GOAT of medical ninja for nothing. This makes it very likely that she has intimate knowledge of Uchiha physiology and likely fought alongside them between the wars she was involved in. Just saying. No hate meant. Just wanted to lay my interpretation out there for others to evaluate. Feel free to share yours. Much love.
Tsunade's healing is superior to hashirama's in every way - Madara was comparing her mystical palm technique she was using to heal and replenish the others to hashirama cells self heal and hashirama could not heal others but only himself. That's true, mystical palm is inferior but not her other techniques. 100 healings and creation rebirth is superior to hashirama's self heal as his cells can only heal damage that does not include organ or limb loss as shown that madara had to use a zetsu arm to replace his missing lower arm. The only thing 100 healings mimics is the automatic healing effect of hashirama cells while creation rebirth needs manual activation each time to heal. Katsuyu amped healing also outshines hashirama's as she can be used to heal anyone regardless of how bad the injury is and she can stick body parts back together and keep you in stasis to prevent loss of life. Her healing doesn't include limb or organ regeneration but her healing can be applied to an army/nation simultaneously.
Not to mention Madara’s clones had EMS which also has super perception, so even tho she might not have been as fast as Ay but she definitely was more skilled in Taijutsu to deal with those EMSs and dodge their Genjutsu and go around their perceptive abilities
@@Ajwad99the problem with that is madara is massively holding back so it’s impossible to scale this to sasuke the wood clones are weaker than he is and they would also be holding back stuff like the reverse 5v1 with his wood clones show he wasn’t taking that fight serious at all even giving them options on if the clones will use susanoo or not
Pretty sure Sasuke is getting stronger throughout the entire 5KS arc. I PERSONALLY think that in relation to Tsunade Sasuke goes through a trajectory a little like this: MS Sasuke (VS. Bee) < Tsunade Just before to the first half of the K5S Sasuke = Tsunade Latter Half of K5S to ending of the arc Sasuke > Tsunade Ok so Raikage is pretty much stated to be the only one in his village who could reign Bee in and that same Bee was kinda just about to wipe the entirety of Taka of the damn map. Then, just before the Summit, Obito tells him that he ain't really gonna fw Sage Naruto which puts him rather definitively in that "Below Pain even more-so than Naruto" kind of tier, which while rather obvious, is also where Tsunade is at that time as well. To further support this, while Sasuke gets absolutely roughed up by the Kage in the first half of the Kage Summit attack, he also fights Ay FIRST and despite ultimately kind of losing, what really does him in most is getting blitzed neat the end. IF he were fighting Tsunade I get the feeling his Amaterasu would actually hit dead on instead of having to rely on Ay to hit him. That said, Tsunade would probably get hit by Amaterasu before proceeding to quite literally punch right through Sasuke's Susanoo ribcage and one shot him. I'm not exactly sold on her regenerating straight THROUGH Amaterasu, so i think that match ends in a draw, which is also why I think a higher hatred amped Sasuke wins at the late chapters towards the end of the Summit. Sasuke does nearly die to the Kage, but only after getting his ASS whooped by one of, if not THE, strongest Kage of that generation. I personally think his attempt at Amaterasu would've tagged any of the other Kage save for maybe Gaara with his sand protecting him. I also just think at the start Tsunade would've gotten the trade anyway.
Would it be crazy to think that Tsunade is like "Nah, I'd win" and Sasuke, sincerely cold before he forms a sinister smirk. OOH... GEEZ... That would be dark.
It is completely disingenuous to say Tsunade would have a hard time breaking Sasuke's Susanoo. Sasuke's Susanoo is nowhere near to Madara's Susanoo. To say "Tsunade only broke Madara's Susanoo because of the Will of Fire amp, so that means she can't break Sasuke's Susanoo without it" is complete nonsense. Sasuke most definitely wins, but she'd blast a hole in Sasuke if she had the chance. Tsunade can easily counter the genjutsu with Katsuyu. Tsunade should be smart enough to keep a Katsuyu on her to dispel the genjutsu if she falls into it. You could argue Katsuyu would be a good defense against Amaterasu. If Tsunade gets caught, Katsuyu could go in between the fire and her to take it off her. That's just head canon though.
Its not head cannon - Katsuyu can liquefy herself and go under the flames and remove it from Tsunade and them herself. Tsunade can also just use a chakra shroud and shed the chakra like naruto does as chakra control is 2nd nature to her - She's also fast enough to dodge it as she's shown time and time again reacting and moving faster than Ay when he's not being amped by ohnoki.
While I do agree Sasuke wins, I don’t think he’d be able to do it with genjutsu. Tsunade has crazy chakra control and I don’t think sasuke is easily disrupting her Chakra network
16:49 also just pointing out the fact suigetsu thinks sasuke surpassed orochimaru. This was when suigetsu meets ems sasuke, but suigetsu didnt see ems sasuke fight, last he saw him was fighting ay. Also as far as itachi being ems sasuke level is a lil weird. If u read or watch the fight, sasuke was fully confident in killing kabuto even after kabuto revealed all his trump cards. But itachi had a way to beat kabuto without killing him, so he took initiative. Many tend to overlook that
Sasuke was confident cuz he had a Huge ego. There were too many times in that fight where both sasuke and itachi were put on the defensive. Don’t downplay this version of kabuto.
@AxPTrue huge ego? They were holding back the entire fight. Kabuto is strong, but he was only an issue because they needed him alive. And sasuke said this after kabuto revealed all his tricks
@ ur questioning his ego? he looked down on kabuto. He nearly killed sasuke. I think you forget, kabuto also didn’t want to kill sasuke as well cuz he literally wanted his body for experiments. But my main point was that if it was 1 on 1 for either itachi or sasuke at the time they get smoked 9/10 times. Itachis only win con was izanami. Proof for this is they needed each other’s mangekyou to break out of Taiyuya’s flute genjutsu. I don’t think they keep up with kabuto’s haxed in the fight.
@AxPTrue if they didn't need kabuto alive they could've used amaterasu and cover kabuto, also itachi could use totsuka blade. Sasuke doesn't say he can kill someone he has no chance of, especially since he saw all of kabutos moves b4 making said statement
@ just cuz a character says something in universe, that doesn’t make it 100% fact. As for Amaterasu couldn’t kabuto use the orochimaru style substitution? Literally the same thing sasuke did into itachi.
I think it depends what version of FKS Sasuke is being discussed. Sasuke was getting stronger throughout the right as he keeping levelling up his susanoo, giving him more hate and thus more portent chakra as well as stronger forms of the Susanoo. I do think Tsunade would take the Sasuke who fought the Raikage (the one who could only access tor ribcage susanoo). You can, though I wouldn’t, argue she beats his second state form, but that’s a tough sell, and by his third state and up she’s cooked imo
I think they mentioned it's 'Peak' FKS Sasuke in the descriptions, so probably the version they fought Danzo, otherwise there's really no reason for them to bring up the armed Bow/Arrow Susanoo or even the armored one. Tsunade's mashing through Sasuke's ribcage Susanoo like its paper... But skeletal and above makes it more of a question since the Skeletal Susanoo alone is on a far higher level than just pure ribcage..
Madara states that war arc sasuke isn't close to his level - Tsunade was holding her own against her 5 full body susanoo clones as she broke 2 swords off screen and punched down one on screen - His susanoo arrows are getting smashed, so is his susanoo and he's next - Madara couldn't avoid Tsunade's punch but could react to and block v2 ay before he got amped by ohnoki - Which madara compares them directly in speed and power - Amaterasu couldn't even harm alive madara and only caused him to shed his armor, so much for the black flames that burns everything lol
@@OkairMcLarenlike we said they are clones nothing else, they are just weaker forms of madara, let alone they are wood clones. So stop bringing up irrelevant shit we are talking about 5KS sasuke and war arc Tsuande. And please don’t think she scales to alive madara
I was debating this one moron on reddit (my mistake, I know) and they argued that Amarerasu wouldn't work on her because "she would seal it away like Jiraiya did, because she's the grandaughter of Hashirama and Mito". Like they deadass tried to argue she could just seal it away even if it hit her center mass, and when I asked them to show any proof that she had sealing jutsu of *any* kind, their answer was just "she's the grandaughter of an Uzumaki" Sorry for the word vomit, I just had to get it out there
While I do think tsunade probably loses more often than not, I don't wring them for defending tsunade. It's a character that's actually likable. Also, you do know that she has a seal on her forehead right? Probably the same seal from her grandmother? And tsunade is the only person who had the seal whom she probably got from her grandmother and then passed down to Sakura? Like sometimes you have to do analysis on the characters you talking about.
@wobblefoot7607 Aum what?? Aum.. gurl.. no. The seal on her forehead is just that.. a SEAL.. Nothing more, nothing less. The seal is supposed to store the Chakra of the holder by as much as they want, then when the owner of the seal says "RESERVED SEAL release," that's when they release it to use the mitotic healing jutsu. The mere fact that the seal is on her forehead IS the feat.
A huge misunderstanding in community, retcon or not is that the Rinnegan is NOT the NATURAL evolution of the Sharigan it is its OWN separate DOJUTSU that CAN be obtained from the Sharingan of an ACTIVE Indra Reincarnate ( Specifically EMS)
To be fair, Sasuke was doing nothing to Madara before the God Amp, just saying. Say what you want about Tsunade but nothing in Sasuke's kit waseven making Madara scoff before that time, and her breaking his Susanoo (a superior vs of Sasuke's and Itachi's even before the Perfected form) was a better feat than Sasuke showed before that. Sasuke wins due to his versatility, not because he'd be a better match for that version of Madara.
Individually EMS Sasuke would undeniably be performing far better against Edo Madara in comparison to Tsunade or any of the other Kage for that matter(assuming he's in the same situation with the same backup). But yes, FKS Sasuke would be a fart in the wind to Edo Madara either way... The Edo Madara comparisons were more of just a basis for trying to accurately represent Tsunade's speed and AP scaling.
Just as I thought. Either Tsuna outscales/out-lasts with 100 Healings, or Sasuke simply walls-out the Tank out with his myriads of Hax and Justus. Sasuke’s way too fast, in movement & reaction feats.
All war arc Tsunade needs is 2 consecutive punches and kage summit Sasuke loses. Issue is, she won’t get that opportunity. Sasuke would have to make a colossally silly mistake and he just doesn’t do that. Tsunade doesn’t have anything besides healing and pure power which just isn’t enough
Sasuke isn't avoiding Tsunade's attacks as Madara couldn't - Who she punched apart with his ems while he's trying to dodge while looking him dead in the face without any assistance from the other kage.
@BryceCampbell-k4c Please go read over the scene - His hair placement and his body position shows that it's an attempted dodge - Even with his ems activated he couldn't avoid her in h2h combat
Tsunade has fought 5 stronger versions of susanoo and broke their swords and she can't deal with the amoured susanoo which is lower than the full body? Katsuyu also dwarfs his susanoo as Danzo's summon was larger than it and its not larger than boss summon size Katsuyu She's smashing the arrow to pieces and punching through his susanoo with a couple of hits, then finishing saskue with 1 hit. Genjutsu ain't working on Tsunade who has the best chakra control along with sakura being the byakugou seal and is always connected to katsuyu and her clones.
Tsunade is the only character I dont understand underscaling because of a mental amp, even against kid Naruto she kinda just has one mental state and that's really mad.
Tsunade is hokage level bc she the best healer with that slug too while still being able to fight close range. But she gets beat by a lot of even below hokage level fighters. In a 2 v 2 where her partner has hax like gaara she scales much higher than others would
I can not see Tsunade win at all. Lets say they fight at the 5 kage summit. She does not know Sasukes abilities so she is cooked because she is not dodging amaterasu so yeah...
3:15 She still is stronger than A who was able to shatter his ribcage, at least, and with his strongest combination, it seems that Danzō was even going to tear through the Humanoid Susanoo, and Tsunade at full power is arguably even stronger than that. Tsunade was somewhat keeping up with A against Madara and seemed somewhat confident in stopping him if need be, so I imagine she is not that much slower. 9:10 The moment he awakened the Armored Susanoo he went blind and dropped it, so he cannot exactly use that, and if Danzō and the Baku could overpower the Humanoid Susanoo, I think Katsuyu and Tsunade could do the same if not better. 9:50 Sasuke broke out of Tsukuyomi, according to certain sources, via the intake of chakra via the Cursed Seal of Heaven. A also seems to suggest more chakra just makes it difficult to be trapped in general as he noted he was above simple Sharingan genjutsu when he upped his Lightning Armour (later taking someone of Madara's caliber to catch him), and Tsunade is even stronger than A, and has a means of injecting chakra via the Yin Seal. 10:40 Jiraiya's lesson on breaking genjutsu also touches upon chakra control, which Tsunade has the best of, in addition to the aforementioned factors. (Sasuke's genjutsu is not as potent as the one Itachi used, either.) 10:59 Kakashi, Geratora, and Jiraiya all do not think anyone alive can control Kurama, not even Itachi who has the even more progressed Mangekyō. 12:18 She was able to slap away Madara's Fire Release (heat resistance is moot as she would have regenerated if she had not hit her limit), and as shown in Sakura Hiden, her style of chakra control lets her just literally grab ninjutsu and throw it, so he might rip off the Amaterasu from her body, which would probably take more from Sasuke than it does from her. Sasuke was somewhat injured when A smashed through his ribcage defense, and the Guillotine Drop seemed like it was going to be even stronger, whilst Tsunade is above even that and might be able to shunt off the flames afterwards. Durability is moot if she can just remove the offending attack and then regenerate. She was able to fight Madara until nightfall, so Sasuke is probably going to go blind before she hits her limit. 15:15 As aforementioned in Sakura Hiden, Sakura grabbed lightning that was shaped into a bear-trap to bite down on her and just overpowered it. She could probably grab the spear or arrow as well (or deflect its trajectory with Katsuyu like how Danzō used Wood Release). 16:25 Itachi was able to beat a Sannin without using his Mangekyō. Even with his Mangekyō, Sasuke was not just barreling through the Gokage who are all weaker than the Sannin, so I would say he was not nearing Itachi's level until he was getting more amplifications against Danzō, but by that point he is also nearing blindness. 18:53 Tsunade was fighting Madara with two Susanoo swords in her torso. I think she would be fine. 19:35 Mei's Boil Release was doing exactly that, and it is possible Katsuyu is more potent given its insinuation against both Manda and Orochimaru. Might at least lower its durability threshold, letting Tsunade then punch through it. 19:54 Tsunade was the one who ultimately defeated Manda last time, with some help. Katsuyu was also smaller than it would have been since Tsunade has to expend some chakra to defend Naruto, so I think a slightly larger one would be able to defeat Aoda.
Lol, the human sized katsuyu clone made no difference in katsuyu's size in the sannin fight - That's like 0.00001 of her size just gone - Tsunade instructed the katsuyu clone let shizune tend to naruto while katsuyu kept them safe with her body They also seem to forget that Tsunade has access to offensive medical ninjutsu to screw up sasuke big time - One interaction with body pathway derangement and sasuke is done for Them also downplaying Tsunade's feat of punch edo madara makes no sense to me when its literally shown to be edo tensei ash and not a wood clone because wood clone reverts to wood or turn to a tree when damage Tsunade smashed all versions of madara's susanoo swords except his perfect susanoo sword Tsunade is also shown to be comparable to lightened Ay because madara compares them in speed and power with ohnoki amping Ay - So she's def dodging amaterasu Madara also could react and block Ay's punch and ay was saying he could even react to his speed and he needs to be faster and that's how ohnoki helps him Tsunade later punches madara a part without any assistance from the other kage and they are saying madara stood there and let her punch him, like plz... - But when you say madara stood there and let 8 gates guy kick him, they get mad lol
I really don't see how ppl think Tsunade wins when she has no way of catching up to Sasuke and tag him, no counter to genjutsu and the counters she has for amaterasu, regen and MAYBE Katsuyu, aren't affective at all. Regen will get outlasted and if she tries to take the flames off her body via Katsuyu, Katsuyu herself will burn or Sasuke will just use Kagetsuchi and burn Tsunade again.
A mental amp can’t be used in an aspect of determining someone’s strength is crazy talk… it’s still her, it’s her state of mind… it’s the same thing as when she decided to become hokage.
Aside off topic, shouldn't Sage Naruto from Pain Arc just obilterate 5KS Sasuke's susanoo?? I mean Ay did break it with his hands, Sage Naruto has crazy superhuman strength and has sage amped rasenshurikens n shit. I heard in one of your previous streams that Naruto can't damage his susanoo and I wanna know why?
Doesn’t having extreme levels of chakra control make you resistant to genjustu? If it takes the highest level of control to use the byakugo seal and hundred healings I’m sure tsunade has genjustu resistance just like Sakura should.
@@nirjhar4803can’t it be broken by inflicting physical pain to oneself?shikamaru broke it by breaking his pinky. Biting one’s tongue for example is something hidan is perfectly comfortable and capable doing although maybe I’m remembering wrong. She would also get blitzed before she could get it off so the point is kind of moot.
Imganine Sakura vs Sasuke, his actual wife and life partner that knows every single ability he possess and every single move, that'll be a different story, cuz Sakura is way more powerful and smarter than Tsunade right now and Sakura can actually unleash full power compare to Tsunade that was using a lot of her chakra to keep a younger appearance. If ya'll read the novels about Sakura which a lot o people don't and have no idea of how insanely powerful Sakura has gotten, then you will never understand what I'm saying and in the Boruto era, please give me a break she can give a run for their money to anyone and they will die before she does lol. In Boruto we only got to see her fight with Shin and the only moment of weakness she had was because she wasn't fully familiar with his abilities and also she was not even fighting in full strength at all, no Byakugo seal just raw basic power. If Tusnade and the third Raikage where able to break Madara's susano, actual Sakura w full Byakugo seal will give Sasuke hell even with his susano.
I do not believe she would outright lose to Sasuke for these factors: 1. In regards to the Susanoo, this is my issue. Sasuke in his fight always get whooped with it. Mei melts it, Ai broke it, and Katsuya smoked his and threw him away like a rag doll. Even Danzo kept eyeballin' Sasuke. Plus, Tsunade tanked multiple Susanoos fighting against Madara. Not only that, Sasuke stated it's painful to use it, yet Madara did not show any strain or weaknesses using it, even in his own fight against Hashirama in their era. A complete Susanoo I can understand and to me, Tsunade need to hit at a magnitude Sakura did against a prototype Nine-Tails in her cherry blossom novel. Because Tsunade fought against an Uchiha who shows no weakness using his techniques, I can see why people can say Tsunade an handle Sasuke. 2. What does stunning Tsunade have anything to do with it? Last time Kabuto tried it, she flipped it on him and had him paralyzed instead. I can understand genjutsu being one of his advantages but I find it irrelevant about her working alongside the Uchiha as something against her like she never would have anything against it. Her whole clan fought against the Uchiha, so she would have history on it and may evenhave her own arsenal for it. there is Amaterasu but it also has its weaknesses as well on Sasuke but to tank that, she always has Katsuya, which leads me to this next point: 3. What would Sasuke's summons do against Katsuya. Manda is faster but Katsuya shows she can get out of tough situations and is durable as well. She even tanked a whole Pain attack when Tsunade summoned her to save every villager. Her healing and tank capabilities is so high, I can't see what Manda 2 and some hawks would do to her. I'm not saying Sasuke will never win. I just find it bias to go 180 against her. She's a tank and a healer full of expertise in her field. Her whole life of gambling her life in a fight either came down to her winning (barely) or surviving (barely), the one game she can only win.
I think people just hate on Sasuke its like when they say he has too much plot armour or say he is too powerful. So they say shii like War Arc Neji scales to Sasuke in his battle against naruto
Nah I dont hate Sasuke, he is litteraly my favorite characters in Naruto and Boruto, but this version of Sasuke lose against Tsunade. Cuz yall need to stop downplaying Tsunade.
@@vegittogogeta6339 Tsunade has no way to get past Sasuke's defenses and she's not fast enough to touch him if he wants to dodge. She also needs 100 healings to last any serious amount of time against him. She's cooked bro. Lol
I mean of course is not fair to scale Tsunade with someone that has all the extras that for example Madara had, however we cant forget that it's not the same fighting a new opponent that you are not aware of their powers and battle experience vs fighting someone that might have all the extras but you already know about that person's abilities, cuz when you do you dont have to be the strongest you just have to be the smartest in order to defeat the enemy. Take for example Shikamaru with Hidan, Shika was no near the power level of Hidan but after fighting him with Asuma he studied him and came back with a strategy and won. Now a battle between Sasuke and Tsunade can be very interesting cuz if we talk about them fighting and Tsunade knowing all his tricks, that'll be different and still Sasuke has more chances to die that Tsunade even if she gets beat to death by him.
My man said get the power of friendship allowing her destroy the susanoo tsunade definitely losing to sasuke (depending on which version it is) but, no such thing as a will of fire amp she could always do that. Sorry to tell people if alive madara fought the 5 kage without hashirama cells I honestly don’t know if he’s making it. That shit is a tall order for a lot of characters in Naruto.
Nah MS SASUKE is overkill. Hebi Sasuke is enough. He outstats her and outhax her. Genjutsu wise she cannot resist and Tsunade still need PUMPING VITAL ORGANS to use the Byakugou. A Direct cut in the heart or brain is enough. Remember,Tsunade was BARELY ALIVE after a complete cut in her stomach which it is a VITAL ORGAN.
Not sure if anyone has covered this topic or cares about it (other than myself), but could you do a Might Guy Vs Madara video. Ik he nearly killed Jubidara but I wonder how the 8 gates fair up against the one Hashirama or the Five Kage fought.
That's not really a discussion. Guy was pressuring Juubidara to the point of making him have the most fun since Hashirama, and that's a much stronger Madara. Of course, Madara was letting Guy do his thing and wasn't going all out, and when he tried to block Guy's Evening Elephant combo, Minato and Kakashi were able to teleport the Truth-seeking Orbs out of the way. And then he let Guy charge the Night Guy and was taken by surprise at the last moment by the fact Guy's attack was bending space/the air (depending on the translation), which almost got him killed. That said, 8th gate Guy would still demolish any previous version of Madara. If he performed like that against Juubidara, he would destroy even Juubito. Madara (specially after reviving) is far stronger than Obito, and Madara's Ten Tails had an extra 50% of Kurama, which Obito's lacked. Also, we get Naruto and Sasuke being able to adapt to Juubito's speed and ultimately defeat him with the Majestic Attire Susano'o, but those forms are still regarded as having the potential to surpass Hashirama and Madara, respectively. Also, Madara was keeping Hashirama busy so he couldn't go help them fight Juubito because even in his Edo form he would still be relevant. After (blind) Madara absorbs Hashirama's Sage Mode and goes to capture the biju, Hashirama thinks to himself that "he's regaining his former strength", which means EMS Madara from the Valley of the End still scales above that version of himself, and obviously above Sage Edo Hashirama. I think their alive prime versions would be around Juubito's level, as would revived Madara after he gets one Rinnegan. All of these would get destroyed by 8th gate Guy. Just look at what Guy was able to do to Juubidara and then take away the amp he got from an entire Ten Tails. And Guy's final Evening Elephant punch was able to break through Madara's Truth-seeking Orb sphere. I can definitely see him breaking through a Perfect Susano'o as well. It wouldn't be easy, but Madara wouldn't be fast enough to react anyway, so Guy would be able to get off the Evening Elephant's 5 step combo and that would break the Susano'o. Night Guy would be overkill. So in simple terms: Juubidara > 8th gate Guy >> Juubito > 1 Rinnegan Sage Madara ~ EMS Madara ~ Sage Hashirama >> blind Sage Madara > Sage KCM2 Naruto ~ late EMS Sasuke > Hashirama ~ revived base Madara > Sage Edo Hashirama > Edo Madara
@ 1. Wasn’t trying and 2 didn’t expect her to do that, and three rock Lee did the same thing too which proves even more madara just didn’t care abt taking fatal damage cuz he’s a edo + hashirama cells
i’m like 90% sure amaterasu is instantaneous. “it’s been dodged” no, it’s been predicted; raikage saw the chakra building up and moved before amaterasu was ready. THEN the flames kept on moving; depending on how you look at it, this implies that _whatever_ sasukes looking at instantaneously combusts, if it misses the intended target it keeps moving until it hits something _or_ he uses kagutsuchi to keep it moving. either way, imo another win con for sasuke
So we're doing this thing again where we underrate Tsunade? Obviously she isn't madara level so why make a whole video on it?? USUALLY people make debates with people of equal skill level more or less, so why make a video if you think she's fodder to Sasuke? Despite the fact that the tiktokers were talking about tsunade vs madara, you made the video between sasuke and tsunade like gurl.. wut? Lol. Like yall so ridiculous. Stay with yall Minato, and Sasuke and madara and (enter broken character here) discussions, instead of talking about a character people even hardly talk about, who is actually cool and relatable.
I feel like, as far as the genjutsu aspect is concerned, you completely looked over 2 things. You brought up Katsuya, but failed to mention that she can split into tiny slugs. And 2, the panel regarding breaking free requires chakra and physical touch. Why was that not considered an option? You basically gave him the win off of it.
I wanna mention that from what I recall from Naruto, Tsunade nor Sakura, for that matter, has never been shown to regrow limbs. When Tsunade was cut in half, she was healed, but she just had her body put back together, not regrown. Also, if Tsunade would be able to do so, why did they need to make a hashirama cell arm for Naruto after his and Sasukes arms were decimated in their last duel of shippuden. Before I get the "um actually" from people Sakura like hours after unlocking her regen in the war she shared it with Obito so that he could look for Sasuke, so Tsunade should be able to do so even better. Also the Amaterasu is a win condition. While it is fire it works similar to acid than other fire jutsu and in the moment with Sakura and Obito Sakura got splashed with acid and didn't heal all that fast
100 healings and creation rebirth can restore organs and limbs - She didn't regen her lower half due to being low on chakra and the other kage were in a bad condition but not as as bad as her - Which is why she summoned katusyu who amps the healing whenever its done through her and she can put you in stasis to prevent loss of life as long as possible - 100 healings jutsu cannot be applied to other persons based on what we see but they can benefit from the chakra via chakra transfer
You guys forgot her ability to kick... But yeah it's really strange that Tsunade has close to zero strategy in her fights. In her fight against Kabuto she does use that wierd inverted controls technique but even that's melee. You'd think she would use more cunning and deception in her fights. Like simply hiding, clone jutstu or smoke bombs, kunai with paper bombs ect. But nope... None of that
Tsunades kit isn’t well suited to deal with people with hacks
Ah, like Orochimaru, Madara, Jiraya, etc?
Her entire fight with kabuto disproves that
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0:01 Not even Minute one and i immediately look to the right and see the 106 centimeter. God tier editing.
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That's what she is the greatest Hokage
tsunade scales off madara in the same sense that ichiogo could still sense aizen's spiritual pressure. There is a point to ba made but they aren't actually comparable.
Tsunade fans be like: “Tsunade participated in a fight with Raikage and Madara, therefore he’s as strong as madara and as fast as Raikage” lmfao
Jogo participated in a fight with Gojo and Sukuna therefore Jogo is as strong as Gojo and Sukuna
@zirotsero6951 No. She survived many attempts to kill her by Madara and should be relative to Ay in speed when both are in their highest forms. It isn't just the participation. It is that things happened in that fight that have real scaling implications if you aren't lazy brained.
Yes, Madara is far stronger than everyone in question. No, he was not using his full power against them. That does not mean he was not trying to kill them, and they were able to stop him as he kept escalating his jutsu. One example is taking out the 25 wood clones with a jutsu that 100H Tsunade and Ohnoki performed in one-shot just them.
People can act like that's not a feat, when Madara's whole purpose was to show them how hopeless things actually were for them. So, the things he was sending at them were always meant to be life-threatening, and they kept surprising him. A majority of it, they'd have been more screwed with MS Sasuke on the team in place of Tsunade than they were.
It is never stated or implied that he was weakening the defense of his Susanoo parts during the fight either. Even if he and MS Sasuke are using the same amount of Susanoo visually, we have every reason to assume that Madara's is more durable. By a lot. So whether or not Tsunade could damage MS Sasuke's susanoo has never been a question in my mind.
@jarrodkent716 how is tsunade relative to ay in speed 😂. I stopped reading after that😂
@Darkmagecurt because relative does not mean equal. Let me explain my logic here. It isn't just "the kage fought together, so there." That's stupid. It is simple, Ay is the fastest of the kage, but he's not so much faster than the others that they would have no chance against him in combat.
That and this was a fight neither of them could afford to hold anything back. So, while we can't use it for the most objective scaling, we see everything they had to offer an opponent and each other. So conclusions can be drawn. Conclusions like, if they were able to fight effectively without anyone having to nerf themselves to accommodate, or any one person carrying the whole bag, they should all 5 be relative to one another.
To elaborate on how I approach speed scaling, I think of it like this: If A can move 1/10 the speed of B, then A can move 1 ft in the same amount of time it takes B to move 10. I don't mean this to sound condescending, if it does. I just want to be clear. So if B sends an attack, let's just say at A's heart, from 10 feet away A should be able to avoid the fatal hit, and could possibly avoid it all together, defend, or counter. So I would say they have relative speed.
If C is 10 times fast than B, that makes it 100 times faster than A. A would need 100 feet to react to the same attack from C. They are not relative.
Unless you send Tsunade to to the Dangai, then who knows what happen... 😂😂😂
Yo Six. Love the channel. Question, sir:
Who wins, infant Naruto (after becoming jinchuriki) Vs. bloodlusted Edgar Allen Poe?
@@vellichor7676 I'm going to Naruto on this one gang
Edgar Allen Poe can talk no jutsu Kurama if we being fr
poe should stomp
@@sixfromtokyo Could you make a video on Itachi sick or edo vs Jiraiya?
some people think he has win cons on itachi that he can't get past.
@@namelessvoid9725 hate mc hammer for that
The arrow and amaterasu are gonna be a huge problem for her. She isn't as fast as the raikage so she isn't just gonna be able to dodge it, and that's the version of summit Sasuke
Madara said war arc sasuke doesn't come close to his level - This sasuke isn't giving Tsunade any problems - She breaks his susanoo arrows like she did with madara's swords and she can dodge amaterasu as her physical speed is compared to ohnoki amped ay and her reaction speed is great than ay's - Madara could react to v2's speed and block and took no damage but couldn't react to Tsunade punching him apart while trying to dodge without any assistance unlike ay who had assistance with mei.
@OkairMcLaren that's blatantly incorrect. First off did you watch the video, second Madara was sand banging the entire fight. It took tsunade two mental amps to shatter Madara's ribkage susanno.
She does not have speed on par with the V2 raikage nor oonki since she admits blatant inferiority to them speed wise in that same battle so she isn't dodging amaterasu.
The fist against Madara shouldn't be used in any tangible discussion because again Madara was sandbagging harder then anyone in the series ever really has. And comparing a rib kage to Sasuke's human or even armored susanno is laughable consider the raikage went from somewhat busting through with the ribkage to wonder how he's supposed to get through Sasuke's skeletal susanno right after it was unlocked
Madara never even said that about Sasuke, in fact tobirama and Madara say the exact opposite. Tobirama mentions that peak EMS Sasuke was creaping in on Madara's level when he was alive and Madara complements the sharpness of Sasuke's Sharingan as the best he's ever seen aside from his own. Even going so far as to say he would have made the perfect partner in replacement of obito if he was born just a bit earlier
@@OkairMcLaren like come on dude, in chapter 577 Madara literally says she's slower than the raikage even after a mental amp. She even fails to break the ribkage that same chapter needed another mental amp for that and the assistance of the ribkage hitting it at a different angle
When Madara was blown apart that was a wood clone if you so conveniently forgot
@@jiero3253 Tsunade punched edo madara and not a wood clone, indicated by edo tensei ash and madara not reverting to wood so please reread the chapter - Tsunade completely shatters madara's ribcage susanoo with one kick after he repairs the damage - Her fist was going to completely shatter it had madara not jumped back as more cracks were appearing while she was still in contact with the susanoo - Madara substituted for a wood clone narrowly avoid being sealed
Madara literally states that sasuke doesn't come close to his level in chapter 657 when Sasuke hits madara with amaterasu and he just tanks and sheds his armour - Madara literally reacts to and blocks v2 Ay's speed and didn't take any damage from his punch with help from Mei backing him up - Madara later compares ohnoki amped Ay and Tsunade in speed and power so she is quite fast
@OkairMcLaren How can you compare the two in speed when Madara verbatim says she's slower than the raikage normally, that makes zero sense. As I said before she was mentally amped to the moon and Madara was sand bagging her. He was truly never at threat of sealing a single time in that fight, he even mentions to zetsu later on that regeneration makes him flight extremely slopply on top of how hard he was holding back.
Madara makes that assertion about fresh from fighting Obito fatigued EMS Sasuke, someone who mind you was fighting on par with Naruto in KCM2 sage mode.
Madara literally takes his statement back about Sasuke after fighting him a bit and asks sasuke to join him, blatantly saying he'd make a better right hand man than Obito, who himself would probably have no issue with the kage
Tsuande is blatantly slower than the raikage without her mental amps. The same raikage that needs V2 and the body flicker to evade amaterasu. By the time of the danzo fight which is the Sasuke we consider in this hypothetical his hatred has grown which applifies all an Uchiha's stats as Thier chakra gets denser and colder. One look at her center mass and she's burning up.
The arrow will likely pierce straight through her like Madara's sword does. These arrows are so fast that Kakashi someone who goes onto be fighting on par with guy a few days later could only react via defensive Kamui.
Okay I'll preface by saying that I think sasuke should win against tsunade like 7/10 times. His kit is very effective against hers. That said there's a no of postulations and conclusions which I think are a bit too far.
For starters, you can make the postulation that tsunade can't break through sasuke's armored susano. For starters she can break the sword of one of madaras skeletal susano as well as break thru his ribcage susano. This is highly impressive as we know madaras susano is much stronger than sasuke's. Ay could break sasuke's ribcage while he couldn't dent madaras. The upscale from the madara showings should lend credence to her being able to break sasuke's armored susano
Secondly, the genjutsu gg is kinda farcical to me. If it was such an instant win con why didn't he it work on ay (ay noted it wouldn't work). Plus even if it were to work we know u need good chakra control to break out of genjutsu and tsunades shtick is literally that. Plus the assumption that tsunade doesn't know how to fight against Sharingan is kinda silly, everyone and their mom knows to not look them in the eye. It's kinda weird for leaf ninja to watch uchiha fight and see the sharingan in action and not see what others do to counter it and not note that strategy down should they need to fight an uchiha.
In regards to speed, tsunade should be in the same weight class as sasuke. U can argue marginal differences but this shouldn't be something that someone would be saying one can blitz the other. The very scene u mention tsunade being impressed at naruto being able to keep up with v1 ay, she later says she will fight ay to allow naruto to leave. Now yes, there's the overconfident trope in fiction and a character stating they'd do something doesn't mean that they can, ask any gojo fan. But tsunade has literally seen ays v1 speed. Unless u believe she's an idiot or has the memory of a goldfish, she knows that she can combat someone as fast as that to allow naruto and b to leave.
Also, the susano arrow has almost become a boogeyman for sasuke scaling. The 'blitz weapon' everyone says. As u mention, danzo literally reacts and utilizes wood style to redirect it aftersasuke fires it. When he was using izanagi, he didn't care to dodge. When sasuke fired it kakashi, he mentioned if not for kamui he'd have died, yeah but he doesn't have any other jutsu potent enough to block or redirect it. He could still react to it nonetheless.
Plus should sasuke hit tsunade with the arrow, it would likely be a body shot (cuz that's all he did) and it would be no different from when madara stabbed tsunade with a susano sword. She would pull out the arrow and beat down sasuke's susano with it.
Finally, sasuke at this point in the story has never displayed the use of amaterasu and kagatsuchi to the level of what u say he would do. If he could control and shape the amaterasu on people to attack them why didn't he do so on the raikage or make the amaterasu run along gaaras sand and burn him.
All in all, as I said I don't disagree with ur conclusions, just that some of ur postulations are a bit too much imo. Anyways good video.
A few things regarding upscaling Susanoo: Ay did dent (more like chipped) Madara's Susano'o, Madara's Susano'o was at a higher developmental stage (had a spine while Sasuke's did not) Sasuke's chakra went on to become more powerful than when he fought Ay (it was completely different by the time the completed and armoured versions came up) and you cannot really upscale two _different_developmental stages of Susanoo. Madara's Susanoo is stronger than Sasuke's at the _same_ developmental stage, but there's no basis for a lower form of Madara's to be stronger than a higher form of Sasuke's. It's be one thing if Ay could break a higher version of Sasuke's yet failed against a lower version of Madara's... but that didn't happen so there's no real point of comparison there.
Rest are solid points though. Genjutsu would at best give Sasuke an opening, and Tsunade already showed that she doesn't cared about getting skewered.
Yeah i think you're underrating Sasuke heavily, especially his susanoo durability...
We don't have a clear margin for how much stronger Madara's ribcage would be in comparison to Peak FKS Sasuke.
The version of Sasuke's Susanoo that Ay broke through was far weaker than even Sasuke's full Skeletal Susanoo let alone his Hatred Amped Humanoid one(the stage right before the armored one, with the Bow).
Tsunade breaking through Madara's ribcage and the smaller sword is NOT a good indication of whether or not she can actually even dent Sasuke's Armored Susanoo...
I'm pretty sure it was implied that Ay's Lightning Chakra Cloak provided some general basic resistance to Sasuke 3 Tomoe Sharingan genjutsu. Regardless even if that wasnt the case, I wouldn't use that to claim Tsunade would somehow be resistant in the same way that Ay was. Cee(a skilled sensor and Genjutsu type shinobi), was caught and unable to break out of the genjutsu.
I'm personally drawing a blank on where it was ever stated that Tsunade's "shtick" is amazing chakra control, but I'll just believe you. Unless you're referring to her amazing Medical Ninjutsu which I suppose does take incredible chakra control. Chakra control for pure Genjutsu resistance could generally be different in comparison to Medical ninjutsu given what Kakashi stated about Sakura.
Honestly I do think Tsunade can probably break out of Sasuke's genjutsu although I doubt it'd be instantaneous.
And also Sasuke arrow is DEFINITELY a Blitz-tier above Tsunade's speed. Danzo and Kakashi simply reacted to it, but neither of them showcased the ability to actually move out of its way... I don't see a good argument for Tsunade doing the same either, and unlike Kakashi and Danzo she doesnt have anything that could redirect or block it other than maybe Katsuyu(thats assuming she has the handsigns prepared before the arrow is shot).
Obviously the Arrow isnt a reaction-blitz tier above Tsunade, but rarely are things ever a complete reaction blitz tier above either character in Naruto(assuming they're in similiar weightclasses)..
This.... I don't need to leave another comment. This is perfectly explained. I also think he wins, but this was just an underestimate of Tsunade.
For whatever reason people seem to forget that she was keeping up with the 5 Madara clones who used full body Susanoo and had access to both the Sharingan and Rennigan abilities, and she was so well that she time to rest for a bit and take a breath so I assume she knocked a few of them out.
Not to mention that prior to her activating her seal she was healing and recovering the 5 Kages and restoring their Chakra, let’s remember that Onoki and Gaara were almost out of Chakra in the beginning of the fight so she restored a whole lot of their chakra
Sasuke full armour susanoo is stronger than madara’s ribcage. Where did you get that information from? Just because it’s madara? That’s like saying madara skeleton susanoo is stronger than sasuke’s perfect susanoo because madara is stronger that sasuke, see how dumb that sounds?
20:00 sasuke can summon his hawk, jump on top of it and fight completely long range against tsunade, and she'll pretty much being a sitting duck
She can summon katsuyu
He summons hawk tuah
@@devanplays3509ok and? He uses Amaterasu against Katsuyu, shoots flame control arrows at her, Tsunade can’t do anything
@knightmarecx2069 katsuyu can remove parts of her body that's burning and she can shoot acid.
Tbh, i dont think Katsuyu dies to Amaterasu. She can split herself, kinda like Naruto shedding his 9 Tails Chakra against Sasuke.
He can just use Amaterasu on Tsunade, idk if she has the speedfeats to dodge it, i dont think so @@knightmarecx2069
Another video about how an Uchiha beats another non-Uchiha. I thought it was gonna be a new take but another Sasuke dub is not an interesting topic. Similarly to talking about itachi or Obito in 95% of fights. Thumbed up the vid because I like to support.
the problem is that theres no non important uchiha, with the 4 uchiha in the story which 2 are god reincarnated, 1 fought and lived minato as a child and 1 put a godlike genjutsu on a sage mode kabuto. sadly the uchiha sweep cant stop
@ they could talk about matchups that don’t involve the Uchiha.
I haaaaate hoe much the uchiha ruin the story. Seriously why do any other clans even exist when they are so op? It is uninteresting.
I agree. I think they're forgetting that spamming his ocular powers makes him go blind. That's why he backed down from fighting the rest of Squad 7. He couldn't see almost anything anymore. They're using 5 Kage summit Sasuke and that was before he gained Itachi's eyes. That means he also doesn't have Amaterasu and he starts off with a half-baked Susanoo. If Tsunade had been the one at the Summit rather than Danzo, I think she would have done well. She MIGHT not win, and we can't prove that since it didn't happen, but I think she's in a way better spot than they're giving her.
@@ancladar8302did u even read the story? all the clans before that either were killed off or married into different clans 😂 all on par with the uchiha and are we not forgetting that 1 they were massacred and 2 there were only a few uchiha outta dere clan that contributed to the story at all? 💀
Yall just felt like picking on tsunade today huh? 😂😂
Hahahahahaha 😂
As a sasuke fan, even I agree with this message 😂😂😂😂
Yes, they did, it's pretty pathetic
Yeah tsunade is cooked harder than kusakabe fighting sukuna
Sasuke bout to have Tsunade looking like Jogo
@@jag-hw7wd
Tsunade fans be like: “Tsunade participated in a fight with Raikage and Madara, therefore he’s as strong as madara and as fast as Raikage” lmfao
Jogo participated in a fight with Gojo and Sukuna therefore Jogo is as strong as Gojo and Sukuna
(Made this joke in another comment but damn it’s also appropriate here)
Leaving this comment to help the channel
Also Sasuke clears 🥱
Tsunade has some truly crazy glazers, I have seen a guy on a RUclips comment saying Tsunade could defeat War Arc Kakashi and Guy at the same time, and that she would even beat 8th gate Guy by outlasting him
But she can - Kakashi and Guy don't have anything to put her down, kakashi ain't dodging her attacks even with his sharingan because Madara couldn't with his ems which he got blown up for - She also has katsuyu that completely negates guy's and kakashi's entire moveset
@ Damn it’ wasn’t you I was talking about, but I remembered seeing a comment by you in the same video, I had to go back and check to be sure and it is hahahaha
It seems you made a career out of going to every Tsunade video and claming people are downplaying her, well good for you, I wish I had that much of a passion for something in life
Well I know it will be no use trying to use any racional arguments because inside your delusion you refuse to listen to reason so just carry on spilling ridiculous fanfiction.
But I think you are still not as bad as the guy I originally mentioned
its not really ceazy to think that.
@@OkairMcLaren Kamui removing head. Moving on.
@@OkairMcLarenshe did not hit ems madara he wasn’t even trying at all which is what he stated and he let himself get hit they literally all got one shot by madara
8:35 "erect his sussano" is VILE work. Why he ain't say summon or conjure😭
I was about to point out the same thing rofl.
@Green0421 🤣🤣🤣
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Bro I was like WTF is Sage saying erect for? 💀😭
@@sixfromtokyo I had to rewind and make sure I wasn't bugging🤣🤣
“Will of fire amp” Jesus Christ 😂
Exactly wtf I’m saying tf is that they just be making shit up.
Lol yeah
@@ronlewis1554nigga it’s anime it’s not real💀 and we seen multiple characters get mental amps💀
"The problem is... these TIKTOK GUYS try to scale her to Madara-"
Bro, BARS.
Basically… you can’t scale Tsunade from the madara fight.
This is the first time Tsunade has been scaled without someone saying “Kabuto is better than me in my prime” 🤢. I thought they’d use that to downplay her. I’ve never heard Tsunade get too much credit.. only shit on
I love the channel Six, but this is just 21 minutes of dragging Tsunade through the dirt.
I already knew Sasuke would take this, but damn cut her a little slack.
Its kinda needed bruh these naruto tiktokers think they captain save a hoe the way they be glazin tsunade its like they aint even read the show
tsunade just aint all that, her arsenal sucks and she has low battle iq. i can see ppl like deidara and sasori beating her even tho she should "outscale" them
@@skdkdn9142That's ridiculous, because we all know how a character match up can be and making one vs the other where one is clearly stronger is literally the opposite of the spirit of Shonen debates. You're gonna start reducing the likability of a character because of a few tiktokers say?? Like, she HARDLY gets mentioned and THIS is what she gets in these videos?? That's why I don't even look at Shonen debate videos anymore cause these creators are all copy paste.
@@skdkdn9142 That's totally fair, I don't have TikTok and have a very low opinion of anyone who debates on their based off of principle.
@@sazude2 when did i say i aint like her shes lit my top 2 female characters in the show she gets mentioned all the time cus of her feats against madara when if u read the show n acc understood the context around those feats u realise theyre not as impressive as every glazer says they are naruto TikTokers feel like they need to prove a point that they’re not misogynistic so they glaze characters like konan sakura and tsunade way higher than they acc are just to prove a point ik this much as when u acc do debunk their points and they have no argument they always go back to “if u hate women just say tht”
Karin was able to restore MS Sasuke without a problem, but she almost got old while restoring Tsunade's Byakugo.
Does raw chakara quantity point to automatic higher AP and DP?
Or do hacks also surpass that which is partially the point of the video lol 😅
@lucaswalkthroughs123 Well, the Susano was draining Sasuke's chakra, and the Byakugo's seal chakra directly amps Tsunade's strenght.
Having more chakra doesn’t mean someone is stronger look at naruto as a kid having more chakra than kakashi.
She didn't "almost become old and white" she just jokingly commented on the fact she's taking alot, becouse, you know... SHE WAS CUT IN HALF... Karin showed 0 signs of any of that afterwards, disingenuous argument...
She didn't fully restore Tsuande, she just gave her some chakra for her seal to stabilize itself which it did after she received the chakra from Karin. She also shared this chakra that Karin gave her to heal herself and the kages via katsuyu simultaneously
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@@sageofthickcalves bro what made you want to name yourself that😭
@@skellysixhonestly I just thought it was funny 💀
THE GOAT. can't wait for the next kakashi gla- I MEAN, video soon 😂(jk, it aint glazing if it's true)
@@sageofthickcalves that sentence sums up my life story, W reason
I know you've been struggling with thoughts of suicide.
Listen if you will
There is a way to be free from the bondage of your past, It does not define you whatsoever.
Be reborn in CHRIST, who gave up his own life in love, that you may live your life in mercy
You are entitled nothing. But the mercy of God gives you a fountain of life no gold on this earth can match
Cry out to God for mercy, even though you are merciless
Cry out to God for hope. There is hope for the hopeless
I want to like this, but the downplay is horrendous. The difference between Rinnegan Hashirama cell amped Madara and 5k-summit Sasuke is too vast to compare their feats. Like, let's be serious. Breaking through his susanoo ribcage and breaking through MS Sasuke's susanoo ribcage are not on the same tier at all. Of course she took some damage, the fireball was shot by Madara Uchiha. Edo or not, he has mastered EMS, mastered Rinnegan, and Hashirama cells. Each of which are monstrous amps on their own. If you wanna claim genjutsu gg, I'll buy it, but come on, man. The things you are trying to compare are not the same.
You are also high balling 5KS Sasuke. Let's be honest. He did pierce the V1 cloak. However, go back and peep what happens next. I'm pretty sure he goes V2 for this, but the Lateral Chop made Sasuke cough up blood through an Ameratsu Susanoo ribcage. The anime makes it even worse, because the Lateral chop is supposed to use his full momentum. But he stops his momentum and then does a stationary follow through. MS Sasuke was casually blitzed here, too. After having his Amaterasu straight up dodged. So I will die on the hill that the V2 full powered Leg Drop would've ended Sasuke's career. Gaara's sand speed feat. Cough* Cough*.
Let's say I'm wrong. Flexing his half body susanoo gassed him so bad Mei almost killed him. Then he immediately almost gets annihilated by Ohnoki. See, narratively, I believe this was sending the message that Sasuke wasn't quite there yet. That was because it wasn't personal yet. He was just throwing a tantrum. And none of these kage are resolve amped except maybe Raikage, but I just think he's more bloodlusted. Just to be clear.
When he fights Danzo, is when this Sasuke maxes out his MS. He's coming off of at least 2 near death experiences, fully healed, and locked in. The atmosphere around this Sasuke is far more cold than crazy. He wanted Danzo bad. Didn't help that Danzo talked shit on Itachi, and he absolutely got what he deserved. But Sasuke also blinded himself in just two endeavors. This shows how far he was digging for that win. Compared to Itachi with a fatal disease, who took years for his vision to degrade.
So I say all of this to say that Danzo and Sasuke neither one belonged at that summit. He might not have been able to fight the other kage alone, but he was more than enough to kill the wannabe kage. Both had lied, stolen, killed, etc, to be where they were, but only one could walk away. Type shit.
Anyways, one more thing in favor of Tsunade being stronger than you are making her sound. MS Edo Itachi's Yasaka Beads helped blow up Nagato on Eight Tail and Nine Tail juice's planetary devastation. Do I have to list off Madara's amps again to point out why eating one of his Yasaka Beads is absolutely insane? Sure she's not on his an Hashirama's level, but damn. How many people can pin down the Ten-Tails with a single jutsu? Plus, it was just her and Ohnoki's combined chakra that took out 25 Madara wood clones each with more developed Susanoo's than MS Itachi or MS Sasuke. She doesn't have to scale to Madara's max to scale above others based on how she performed against the wood clones alone. They also have Rinnegan and full body Susanoo. Tell me what MS Sasuke is doing to a single one of those.
Damn I keep noticing things as I go. She used Mitotic Regeneration during the teleport to the battlefield. 100 Healings isn't activated til during the fight. That's an amp to her chakra, all her physical stats, and her healing. She can also summon a larger portion of Katsuyu, and her acid should be more potent than Mei's.
To just give more credit to a feat you mentioned. She may not be able to heal on the same level as Hashirama, but to keep herself alive on death's door without MR or 100H active is nuts. Katsuyu can't heal on her own. She can just funnel chakra between her bodies. So Tsunade is still the one providing the healing chakra to herself, while in two separate pieces. That's bananas. She's wasn't known as the GOAT of medical ninja for nothing. This makes it very likely that she has intimate knowledge of Uchiha physiology and likely fought alongside them between the wars she was involved in. Just saying.
No hate meant. Just wanted to lay my interpretation out there for others to evaluate. Feel free to share yours. Much love.
Tsunade's healing is superior to hashirama's in every way - Madara was comparing her mystical palm technique she was using to heal and replenish the others to hashirama cells self heal and hashirama could not heal others but only himself. That's true, mystical palm is inferior but not her other techniques.
100 healings and creation rebirth is superior to hashirama's self heal as his cells can only heal damage that does not include organ or limb loss as shown that madara had to use a zetsu arm to replace his missing lower arm. The only thing 100 healings mimics is the automatic healing effect of hashirama cells while creation rebirth needs manual activation each time to heal.
Katsuyu amped healing also outshines hashirama's as she can be used to heal anyone regardless of how bad the injury is and she can stick body parts back together and keep you in stasis to prevent loss of life. Her healing doesn't include limb or organ regeneration but her healing can be applied to an army/nation simultaneously.
Not to mention Madara’s clones had EMS which also has super perception, so even tho she might not have been as fast as Ay but she definitely was more skilled in Taijutsu to deal with those EMSs and dodge their Genjutsu and go around their perceptive abilities
@@Ajwad99the problem with that is madara is massively holding back so it’s impossible to scale this to sasuke the wood clones are weaker than he is and they would also be holding back stuff like the reverse 5v1 with his wood clones show he wasn’t taking that fight serious at all even giving them options on if the clones will use susanoo or not
Pretty sure Sasuke is getting stronger throughout the entire 5KS arc. I PERSONALLY think that in relation to Tsunade Sasuke goes through a trajectory a little like this:
MS Sasuke (VS. Bee) < Tsunade
Just before to the first half of the K5S Sasuke = Tsunade
Latter Half of K5S to ending of the arc Sasuke > Tsunade
Ok so Raikage is pretty much stated to be the only one in his village who could reign Bee in and that same Bee was kinda just about to wipe the entirety of Taka of the damn map. Then, just before the Summit, Obito tells him that he ain't really gonna fw Sage Naruto which puts him rather definitively in that "Below Pain even more-so than Naruto" kind of tier, which while rather obvious, is also where Tsunade is at that time as well. To further support this, while Sasuke gets absolutely roughed up by the Kage in the first half of the Kage Summit attack, he also fights Ay FIRST and despite ultimately kind of losing, what really does him in most is getting blitzed neat the end. IF he were fighting Tsunade I get the feeling his Amaterasu would actually hit dead on instead of having to rely on Ay to hit him. That said, Tsunade would probably get hit by Amaterasu before proceeding to quite literally punch right through Sasuke's Susanoo ribcage and one shot him. I'm not exactly sold on her regenerating straight THROUGH Amaterasu, so i think that match ends in a draw, which is also why I think a higher hatred amped Sasuke wins at the late chapters towards the end of the Summit. Sasuke does nearly die to the Kage, but only after getting his ASS whooped by one of, if not THE, strongest Kage of that generation. I personally think his attempt at Amaterasu would've tagged any of the other Kage save for maybe Gaara with his sand protecting him. I also just think at the start Tsunade would've gotten the trade anyway.
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Madara's reincarnation vs. Hashirama's granddaughter.
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She does have crazy genjutsu resistance, the same as Sakura.... Insane chakra control. Exactly why adult Sakura is almost impervious to genjutsu
Would it be crazy to think that Tsunade is like "Nah, I'd win" and Sasuke, sincerely cold before he forms a sinister smirk. OOH... GEEZ... That would be dark.
It is completely disingenuous to say Tsunade would have a hard time breaking Sasuke's Susanoo. Sasuke's Susanoo is nowhere near to Madara's Susanoo. To say "Tsunade only broke Madara's Susanoo because of the Will of Fire amp, so that means she can't break Sasuke's Susanoo without it" is complete nonsense. Sasuke most definitely wins, but she'd blast a hole in Sasuke if she had the chance.
Tsunade can easily counter the genjutsu with Katsuyu. Tsunade should be smart enough to keep a Katsuyu on her to dispel the genjutsu if she falls into it.
You could argue Katsuyu would be a good defense against Amaterasu. If Tsunade gets caught, Katsuyu could go in between the fire and her to take it off her. That's just head canon though.
Its not head cannon - Katsuyu can liquefy herself and go under the flames and remove it from Tsunade and them herself. Tsunade can also just use a chakra shroud and shed the chakra like naruto does as chakra control is 2nd nature to her - She's also fast enough to dodge it as she's shown time and time again reacting and moving faster than Ay when he's not being amped by ohnoki.
While I do agree Sasuke wins, I don’t think he’d be able to do it with genjutsu. Tsunade has crazy chakra control and I don’t think sasuke is easily disrupting her Chakra network
Sasuke cooks tsunade 😭
5:15 looks like Sasuke decided to use fart no jutsu
MY Glorious King vs the Fallen Queen.
16:49 also just pointing out the fact suigetsu thinks sasuke surpassed orochimaru. This was when suigetsu meets ems sasuke, but suigetsu didnt see ems sasuke fight, last he saw him was fighting ay.
Also as far as itachi being ems sasuke level is a lil weird. If u read or watch the fight, sasuke was fully confident in killing kabuto even after kabuto revealed all his trump cards. But itachi had a way to beat kabuto without killing him, so he took initiative. Many tend to overlook that
Sasuke was confident cuz he had a Huge ego. There were too many times in that fight where both sasuke and itachi were put on the defensive. Don’t downplay this version of kabuto.
@AxPTrue huge ego? They were holding back the entire fight.
Kabuto is strong, but he was only an issue because they needed him alive. And sasuke said this after kabuto revealed all his tricks
@ ur questioning his ego? he looked down on kabuto. He nearly killed sasuke. I think you forget, kabuto also didn’t want to kill sasuke as well cuz he literally wanted his body for experiments. But my main point was that if it was 1 on 1 for either itachi or sasuke at the time they get smoked 9/10 times. Itachis only win con was izanami. Proof for this is they needed each other’s mangekyou to break out of Taiyuya’s flute genjutsu. I don’t think they keep up with kabuto’s haxed in the fight.
@AxPTrue if they didn't need kabuto alive they could've used amaterasu and cover kabuto, also itachi could use totsuka blade. Sasuke doesn't say he can kill someone he has no chance of, especially since he saw all of kabutos moves b4 making said statement
@ just cuz a character says something in universe, that doesn’t make it 100% fact. As for Amaterasu couldn’t kabuto use the orochimaru style substitution? Literally the same thing sasuke did into itachi.
Remember when Sasuke said he wanted to kill the Five Kage?
Ok? What does dat have to do with this?
I think it depends what version of FKS Sasuke is being discussed. Sasuke was getting stronger throughout the right as he keeping levelling up his susanoo, giving him more hate and thus more portent chakra as well as stronger forms of the Susanoo.
I do think Tsunade would take the Sasuke who fought the Raikage (the one who could only access tor ribcage susanoo).
You can, though I wouldn’t, argue she beats his second state form, but that’s a tough sell, and by his third state and up she’s cooked imo
I think they mentioned it's 'Peak' FKS Sasuke in the descriptions, so probably the version they fought Danzo, otherwise there's really no reason for them to bring up the armed Bow/Arrow Susanoo or even the armored one.
Tsunade's mashing through Sasuke's ribcage Susanoo like its paper... But skeletal and above makes it more of a question since the Skeletal Susanoo alone is on a far higher level than just pure ribcage..
Madara states that war arc sasuke isn't close to his level - Tsunade was holding her own against her 5 full body susanoo clones as she broke 2 swords off screen and punched down one on screen - His susanoo arrows are getting smashed, so is his susanoo and he's next - Madara couldn't avoid Tsunade's punch but could react to and block v2 ay before he got amped by ohnoki - Which madara compares them directly in speed and power - Amaterasu couldn't even harm alive madara and only caused him to shed his armor, so much for the black flames that burns everything lol
@@OkairMcLarenbecause that version of madara is alive now and fully restored and sasuke just got his EMS so he’s getting used to it.
@@OkairMcLarenlike we said they are clones nothing else, they are just weaker forms of madara, let alone they are wood clones. So stop bringing up irrelevant shit we are talking about 5KS sasuke and war arc Tsuande. And please don’t think she scales to alive madara
@@OkairMcLarenmadara literally says she’s lower than the raikage?
I was debating this one moron on reddit (my mistake, I know) and they argued that Amarerasu wouldn't work on her because "she would seal it away like Jiraiya did, because she's the grandaughter of Hashirama and Mito". Like they deadass tried to argue she could just seal it away even if it hit her center mass, and when I asked them to show any proof that she had sealing jutsu of *any* kind, their answer was just "she's the grandaughter of an Uzumaki"
Sorry for the word vomit, I just had to get it out there
While I do think tsunade probably loses more often than not, I don't wring them for defending tsunade. It's a character that's actually likable. Also, you do know that she has a seal on her forehead right? Probably the same seal from her grandmother? And tsunade is the only person who had the seal whom she probably got from her grandmother and then passed down to Sakura? Like sometimes you have to do analysis on the characters you talking about.
@@sazude2where is the feat that demonstrates she can seal foreign jutsu? The seal on her forehead isn’t a containment jutsu it’s a healing jutsu.
@wobblefoot7607 Aum what?? Aum.. gurl.. no. The seal on her forehead is just that.. a SEAL.. Nothing more, nothing less. The seal is supposed to store the Chakra of the holder by as much as they want, then when the owner of the seal says "RESERVED SEAL release," that's when they release it to use the mitotic healing jutsu. The mere fact that the seal is on her forehead IS the feat.
A huge misunderstanding in community, retcon or not is that the Rinnegan is NOT the NATURAL evolution of the Sharigan it is its OWN separate DOJUTSU that CAN be obtained from the Sharingan of an ACTIVE Indra Reincarnate ( Specifically EMS)
Well, yes and no. Yes it evolves from the sharingan if u meet certain requirements. If you're born with it, you already have the certain requirements
So if Naruto grafts Sasuke’s skin onto him (like how madara did with Hashirama) he wouldn’t be able to awaken a rinnegan?
@@VelianFootball yes technically their still the reincarnates
@@SO6PDMSObitoUchiha would Naruto also need to steal a pair of sharingans or would his eyes naturally turn into a rinnegan over time?
@VelianFootball naruto would need sharingan. The sharingan turn into rinnegan, not any pair of eyes
To be fair, Sasuke was doing nothing to Madara before the God Amp, just saying. Say what you want about Tsunade but nothing in Sasuke's kit waseven making Madara scoff before that time, and her breaking his Susanoo (a superior vs of Sasuke's and Itachi's even before the Perfected form) was a better feat than Sasuke showed before that.
Sasuke wins due to his versatility, not because he'd be a better match for that version of Madara.
Individually EMS Sasuke would undeniably be performing far better against Edo Madara in comparison to Tsunade or any of the other Kage for that matter(assuming he's in the same situation with the same backup).
But yes, FKS Sasuke would be a fart in the wind to Edo Madara either way...
The Edo Madara comparisons were more of just a basis for trying to accurately represent Tsunade's speed and AP scaling.
Madara's ribcage is not superior to anyone else's.
Sasuke got this W in the bag.
All i know is that she beats tf out of that hermit jiraiya.
If only Tsunade had wood style
Just as I thought. Either Tsuna outscales/out-lasts with 100 Healings, or Sasuke simply walls-out the Tank out with his myriads of Hax and Justus. Sasuke’s way too fast, in movement & reaction feats.
All war arc Tsunade needs is 2 consecutive punches and kage summit Sasuke loses. Issue is, she won’t get that opportunity. Sasuke would have to make a colossally silly mistake and he just doesn’t do that. Tsunade doesn’t have anything besides healing and pure power which just isn’t enough
Sasuke isn't avoiding Tsunade's attacks as Madara couldn't - Who she punched apart with his ems while he's trying to dodge while looking him dead in the face without any assistance from the other kage.
@@OkairMcLarenMadara never tried to doge her punch he was surprised when she broke his susanoo when he wasn't even going full power
@BryceCampbell-k4c Please go read over the scene - His hair placement and his body position shows that it's an attempted dodge - Even with his ems activated he couldn't avoid her in h2h combat
@@OkairMcLaren Still wasn't even going full power
Nice work on the video, but is there any chance you could change the music. I've heard this JJK piano a thousands times I'm reaching my limit lmfao
Tsunade ** *goes to punch sasuke
Sasuke **Amateratsu*
Substitution jutsu.
Genjutsu plus amaterasu gg. Going by thumbnail
4 things tsunade will never get past
Genjutsu
Kagutsuchi
Sussano Arrow
V3 Sussano defense
Tsunade has fought 5 stronger versions of susanoo and broke their swords and she can't deal with the amoured susanoo which is lower than the full body? Katsuyu also dwarfs his susanoo as Danzo's summon was larger than it and its not larger than boss summon size Katsuyu
She's smashing the arrow to pieces and punching through his susanoo with a couple of hits, then finishing saskue with 1 hit.
Genjutsu ain't working on Tsunade who has the best chakra control along with sakura being the byakugou seal and is always connected to katsuyu and her clones.
@@OkairMcLarenBro exactly I don’t understand these dudes just be saying shit she won’t get pass black flames though.
@@OkairMcLarenfinally someone know that genjutsu is useless for Tsunade who has the perfect chakra control same to Sakura
Tsunade is the only character I dont understand underscaling because of a mental amp, even against kid Naruto she kinda just has one mental state and that's really mad.
See a lot of ppl cropping out the raikage in that panel of Tsunade kicking Madara's susanoo. Ts so disingenuous it's not even funny 😭
He said only left a small crack while Tsunade blew the other open
Tsunade is hokage level bc she the best healer with that slug too while still being able to fight close range. But she gets beat by a lot of even below hokage level fighters. In a 2 v 2 where her partner has hax like gaara she scales much higher than others would
that first pic of tsunade got me all bricked up.
I can not see Tsunade win at all. Lets say they fight at the 5 kage summit. She does not know Sasukes abilities so she is cooked because she is not dodging amaterasu so yeah...
I remember reading an “off brand” chapter of this…
Never expected this match up
The yu yu hakusho in the background 😮💨
as much as shes my wife... the lights are getting bright for her 💔
3:15 She still is stronger than A who was able to shatter his ribcage, at least, and with his strongest combination, it seems that Danzō was even going to tear through the Humanoid Susanoo, and Tsunade at full power is arguably even stronger than that.
Tsunade was somewhat keeping up with A against Madara and seemed somewhat confident in stopping him if need be, so I imagine she is not that much slower.
9:10 The moment he awakened the Armored Susanoo he went blind and dropped it, so he cannot exactly use that, and if Danzō and the Baku could overpower the Humanoid Susanoo, I think Katsuyu and Tsunade could do the same if not better.
9:50 Sasuke broke out of Tsukuyomi, according to certain sources, via the intake of chakra via the Cursed Seal of Heaven. A also seems to suggest more chakra just makes it difficult to be trapped in general as he noted he was above simple Sharingan genjutsu when he upped his Lightning Armour (later taking someone of Madara's caliber to catch him), and Tsunade is even stronger than A, and has a means of injecting chakra via the Yin Seal.
10:40 Jiraiya's lesson on breaking genjutsu also touches upon chakra control, which Tsunade has the best of, in addition to the aforementioned factors. (Sasuke's genjutsu is not as potent as the one Itachi used, either.)
10:59 Kakashi, Geratora, and Jiraiya all do not think anyone alive can control Kurama, not even Itachi who has the even more progressed Mangekyō.
12:18 She was able to slap away Madara's Fire Release (heat resistance is moot as she would have regenerated if she had not hit her limit), and as shown in Sakura Hiden, her style of chakra control lets her just literally grab ninjutsu and throw it, so he might rip off the Amaterasu from her body, which would probably take more from Sasuke than it does from her. Sasuke was somewhat injured when A smashed through his ribcage defense, and the Guillotine Drop seemed like it was going to be even stronger, whilst Tsunade is above even that and might be able to shunt off the flames afterwards. Durability is moot if she can just remove the offending attack and then regenerate. She was able to fight Madara until nightfall, so Sasuke is probably going to go blind before she hits her limit.
15:15 As aforementioned in Sakura Hiden, Sakura grabbed lightning that was shaped into a bear-trap to bite down on her and just overpowered it. She could probably grab the spear or arrow as well (or deflect its trajectory with Katsuyu like how Danzō used Wood Release).
16:25 Itachi was able to beat a Sannin without using his Mangekyō. Even with his Mangekyō, Sasuke was not just barreling through the Gokage who are all weaker than the Sannin, so I would say he was not nearing Itachi's level until he was getting more amplifications against Danzō, but by that point he is also nearing blindness.
18:53 Tsunade was fighting Madara with two Susanoo swords in her torso. I think she would be fine.
19:35 Mei's Boil Release was doing exactly that, and it is possible Katsuyu is more potent given its insinuation against both Manda and Orochimaru. Might at least lower its durability threshold, letting Tsunade then punch through it.
19:54 Tsunade was the one who ultimately defeated Manda last time, with some help. Katsuyu was also smaller than it would have been since Tsunade has to expend some chakra to defend Naruto, so I think a slightly larger one would be able to defeat Aoda.
Nice, I was finna do this but stopped at the 4 minute mark. Couldn't deal anymore with the foolishness.
@@sazude2 Well met, seemed needlessly dismissive/ignorant of Sasuke's limits.
@Arcadia_warlic Cause its just highly biased. It's ridiculous.
Bro I’m glad I’ve seen this cause I was typing this what a waste of time video no one does unbiased research anymore she literally outlast FKS sasuke.
Lol, the human sized katsuyu clone made no difference in katsuyu's size in the sannin fight - That's like 0.00001 of her size just gone - Tsunade instructed the katsuyu clone let shizune tend to naruto while katsuyu kept them safe with her body
They also seem to forget that Tsunade has access to offensive medical ninjutsu to screw up sasuke big time - One interaction with body pathway derangement and sasuke is done for
Them also downplaying Tsunade's feat of punch edo madara makes no sense to me when its literally shown to be edo tensei ash and not a wood clone because wood clone reverts to wood or turn to a tree when damage
Tsunade smashed all versions of madara's susanoo swords except his perfect susanoo sword
Tsunade is also shown to be comparable to lightened Ay because madara compares them in speed and power with ohnoki amping Ay - So she's def dodging amaterasu
Madara also could react and block Ay's punch and ay was saying he could even react to his speed and he needs to be faster and that's how ohnoki helps him
Tsunade later punches madara a part without any assistance from the other kage and they are saying madara stood there and let her punch him, like plz... - But when you say madara stood there and let 8 gates guy kick him, they get mad lol
Madaras yasaka beads did NOT tear her chest open wtf💀
once her 100 healings wears off , she’s cooked! 😭💗 sasuke goes in for the kill, he has to survive long enough till it wears off!
Good collaboration
sasuke shoots amaterasu right in between her thingies and then its over since thats her weak spot
I really don't see how ppl think Tsunade wins when she has no way of catching up to Sasuke and tag him, no counter to genjutsu and the counters she has for amaterasu, regen and MAYBE Katsuyu, aren't affective at all. Regen will get outlasted and if she tries to take the flames off her body via Katsuyu, Katsuyu herself will burn or Sasuke will just use Kagetsuchi and burn Tsunade again.
A mental amp can’t be used in an aspect of determining someone’s strength is crazy talk… it’s still her, it’s her state of mind… it’s the same thing as when she decided to become hokage.
Mic sounds like a celling fan on its last leg.
Tbh Itachi fight Sasuke could probably kill tsunade. Idk what she would do against kirin (,might be able to tank it but i doubt it)
Unless Tsunade can perception blitz she literally gets cooked.
She blitzed madara so she blitz’s Ms Sasuke
@@Saintsrow1824 She didn't
@@Kanekism yea I guess when tsunade just leaps at madara deleting half his body just didn’t happen…
@@Saintsrow1824 it was literally a wood clone
@@Kanekism wood clones don't turn into edo tesei ash
Already knew who would win, just watched for Manga Tsunade
We need more cross verse fights. Chrollo vs Itachi or Kakashi. Sensui vs Kenjaku. Yuji vs Naruto.
21 minutes of sasuke glazing
Tsunade has 2 VERY GOOD REASONS to convince sasuke to let her win
Aside off topic, shouldn't Sage Naruto from Pain Arc just obilterate 5KS Sasuke's susanoo?? I mean Ay did break it with his hands, Sage Naruto has crazy superhuman strength and has sage amped rasenshurikens n shit. I heard in one of your previous streams that Naruto can't damage his susanoo and I wanna know why?
Doesn’t having extreme levels of chakra control make you resistant to genjustu? If it takes the highest level of control to use the byakugo seal and hundred healings I’m sure tsunade has genjustu resistance just like Sakura should.
One thousandth like let's goo
I have a question. Can the Sound Four defeat Hidan? Obviously only the Sound Four so no Kimimaro (if Kimimaro was in the mix, I think Hidan is cooked)
@@kodoqbesar4301 not even close
The sound five with sick Kimimaro loses badly however healthy Kimimaro is a lot stronger so he would low diff
@@Foxes4035 Can Hidan Counter Chains of Fantasia??? That seems like a really good win-con for the Sound 4...
@@nirjhar4803can’t it be broken by inflicting physical pain to oneself?shikamaru broke it by breaking his pinky. Biting one’s tongue for example is something hidan is perfectly comfortable and capable doing although maybe I’m remembering wrong. She would also get blitzed before she could get it off so the point is kind of moot.
Imganine Sakura vs Sasuke, his actual wife and life partner that knows every single ability he possess and every single move, that'll be a different story, cuz Sakura is way more powerful and smarter than Tsunade right now and Sakura can actually unleash full power compare to Tsunade that was using a lot of her chakra to keep a younger appearance. If ya'll read the novels about Sakura which a lot o people don't and have no idea of how insanely powerful Sakura has gotten, then you will never understand what I'm saying and in the Boruto era, please give me a break she can give a run for their money to anyone and they will die before she does lol. In Boruto we only got to see her fight with Shin and the only moment of weakness she had was because she wasn't fully familiar with his abilities and also she was not even fighting in full strength at all, no Byakugo seal just raw basic power. If Tusnade and the third Raikage where able to break Madara's susano, actual Sakura w full Byakugo seal will give Sasuke hell even with his susano.
sasuke stomps, next
I do not believe she would outright lose to Sasuke for these factors:
1. In regards to the Susanoo, this is my issue. Sasuke in his fight always get whooped with it. Mei melts it, Ai broke it, and Katsuya smoked his and threw him away like a rag doll. Even Danzo kept eyeballin' Sasuke. Plus, Tsunade tanked multiple Susanoos fighting against Madara. Not only that, Sasuke stated it's painful to use it, yet Madara did not show any strain or weaknesses using it, even in his own fight against Hashirama in their era. A complete Susanoo I can understand and to me, Tsunade need to hit at a magnitude Sakura did against a prototype Nine-Tails in her cherry blossom novel. Because Tsunade fought against an Uchiha who shows no weakness using his techniques, I can see why people can say Tsunade an handle Sasuke.
2. What does stunning Tsunade have anything to do with it? Last time Kabuto tried it, she flipped it on him and had him paralyzed instead. I can understand genjutsu being one of his advantages but I find it irrelevant about her working alongside the Uchiha as something against her like she never would have anything against it. Her whole clan fought against the Uchiha, so she would have history on it and may evenhave her own arsenal for it. there is Amaterasu but it also has its weaknesses as well on Sasuke but to tank that, she always has Katsuya, which leads me to this next point:
3. What would Sasuke's summons do against Katsuya. Manda is faster but Katsuya shows she can get out of tough situations and is durable as well. She even tanked a whole Pain attack when Tsunade summoned her to save every villager. Her healing and tank capabilities is so high, I can't see what Manda 2 and some hawks would do to her.
I'm not saying Sasuke will never win. I just find it bias to go 180 against her. She's a tank and a healer full of expertise in her field. Her whole life of gambling her life in a fight either came down to her winning (barely) or surviving (barely), the one game she can only win.
for the algorithm
The will of fire is more so her being resolved, resolved ≠ mental amp
Sasori vs pain vid ?
The Tsunade downplay is crazy
I need some good thumbnails made like that ):
I think people just hate on Sasuke its like when they say he has too much plot armour or say he is too powerful. So they say shii like War Arc Neji scales to Sasuke in his battle against naruto
Nah I dont hate Sasuke, he is litteraly my favorite characters in Naruto and Boruto, but this version of Sasuke lose against Tsunade.
Cuz yall need to stop downplaying Tsunade.
@@vegittogogeta6339 Tsunade has no way to get past Sasuke's defenses and she's not fast enough to touch him if he wants to dodge. She also needs 100 healings to last any serious amount of time against him. She's cooked bro. Lol
finally good scaling for kage summit Sasuke, i hope people now understand that he slams SM Naruto
I mean of course is not fair to scale Tsunade with someone that has all the extras that for example Madara had, however we cant forget that it's not the same fighting a new opponent that you are not aware of their powers and battle experience vs fighting someone that might have all the extras but you already know about that person's abilities, cuz when you do you dont have to be the strongest you just have to be the smartest in order to defeat the enemy. Take for example Shikamaru with Hidan, Shika was no near the power level of Hidan but after fighting him with Asuma he studied him and came back with a strategy and won. Now a battle between Sasuke and Tsunade can be very interesting cuz if we talk about them fighting and Tsunade knowing all his tricks, that'll be different and still Sasuke has more chances to die that Tsunade even if she gets beat to death by him.
My man said get the power of friendship allowing her destroy the susanoo tsunade definitely losing to sasuke (depending on which version it is) but, no such thing as a will of fire amp she could always do that. Sorry to tell people if alive madara fought the 5 kage without hashirama cells I honestly don’t know if he’s making it. That shit is a tall order for a lot of characters in Naruto.
Nah MS SASUKE is overkill.
Hebi Sasuke is enough.
He outstats her and outhax her.
Genjutsu wise she cannot resist and Tsunade still need PUMPING VITAL ORGANS to use the Byakugou.
A Direct cut in the heart or brain is enough.
Remember,Tsunade was BARELY ALIVE after a complete cut in her stomach which it is a VITAL ORGAN.
Sasuke vs Tsunade in 2024 is nasty. Sasuke / Naruto would destroy goku, lets have those type of convos instead 😂
*Least delusional fanboy
Good conversation guys!
Can you do luffy vs Naruto
This makes me wonder how the five kage with Danzo do against sasuke in his eternal mangekyo form and five summit arc form.
Not sure if anyone has covered this topic or cares about it (other than myself), but could you do a Might Guy Vs Madara video. Ik he nearly killed Jubidara but I wonder how the 8 gates fair up against the one Hashirama or the Five Kage fought.
That's not really a discussion. Guy was pressuring Juubidara to the point of making him have the most fun since Hashirama, and that's a much stronger Madara. Of course, Madara was letting Guy do his thing and wasn't going all out, and when he tried to block Guy's Evening Elephant combo, Minato and Kakashi were able to teleport the Truth-seeking Orbs out of the way. And then he let Guy charge the Night Guy and was taken by surprise at the last moment by the fact Guy's attack was bending space/the air (depending on the translation), which almost got him killed.
That said, 8th gate Guy would still demolish any previous version of Madara. If he performed like that against Juubidara, he would destroy even Juubito. Madara (specially after reviving) is far stronger than Obito, and Madara's Ten Tails had an extra 50% of Kurama, which Obito's lacked. Also, we get Naruto and Sasuke being able to adapt to Juubito's speed and ultimately defeat him with the Majestic Attire Susano'o, but those forms are still regarded as having the potential to surpass Hashirama and Madara, respectively. Also, Madara was keeping Hashirama busy so he couldn't go help them fight Juubito because even in his Edo form he would still be relevant.
After (blind) Madara absorbs Hashirama's Sage Mode and goes to capture the biju, Hashirama thinks to himself that "he's regaining his former strength", which means EMS Madara from the Valley of the End still scales above that version of himself, and obviously above Sage Edo Hashirama. I think their alive prime versions would be around Juubito's level, as would revived Madara after he gets one Rinnegan. All of these would get destroyed by 8th gate Guy. Just look at what Guy was able to do to Juubidara and then take away the amp he got from an entire Ten Tails.
And Guy's final Evening Elephant punch was able to break through Madara's Truth-seeking Orb sphere. I can definitely see him breaking through a Perfect Susano'o as well. It wouldn't be easy, but Madara wouldn't be fast enough to react anyway, so Guy would be able to get off the Evening Elephant's 5 step combo and that would break the Susano'o. Night Guy would be overkill.
So in simple terms: Juubidara > 8th gate Guy >> Juubito > 1 Rinnegan Sage Madara ~ EMS Madara ~ Sage Hashirama >> blind Sage Madara > Sage KCM2 Naruto ~ late EMS Sasuke > Hashirama ~ revived base Madara > Sage Edo Hashirama > Edo Madara
@@giannixx I think Juubito has a good win-con against Might Guy in a 1v1 despite being far below him stat-wise..
background piano music loop is so bad
Sasuke literally has the SHARINGAN. even if tsunade gets close she’s 9.5/10 times not hitting him directly.
Say that to Madara's decimated body who has an ems with an edo tensei and couldn't avoid pulverization
@ 1. Wasn’t trying and 2 didn’t expect her to do that, and three rock Lee did the same thing too which proves even more madara just didn’t care abt taking fatal damage cuz he’s a edo + hashirama cells
@@CGR1410
You trying soo hard to Downplay Tsunade buddy. She slams this Sasuke
@@vegittogogeta6339 genjutsu into Amaterasu one taps g but go ahead just keep being a big fat retard
i’m like 90% sure amaterasu is instantaneous. “it’s been dodged” no, it’s been predicted; raikage saw the chakra building up and moved before amaterasu was ready. THEN the flames kept on moving; depending on how you look at it, this implies that _whatever_ sasukes looking at instantaneously combusts, if it misses the intended target it keeps moving until it hits something _or_ he uses kagutsuchi to keep it moving. either way, imo another win con for sasuke
So we're doing this thing again where we underrate Tsunade? Obviously she isn't madara level so why make a whole video on it?? USUALLY people make debates with people of equal skill level more or less, so why make a video if you think she's fodder to Sasuke? Despite the fact that the tiktokers were talking about tsunade vs madara, you made the video between sasuke and tsunade like gurl.. wut? Lol. Like yall so ridiculous. Stay with yall Minato, and Sasuke and madara and (enter broken character here) discussions, instead of talking about a character people even hardly talk about, who is actually cool and relatable.
Uchiha/sasuke glazers always downplay tsunade, they’re lowkey sexist like Six the creator of this vid
I feel like, as far as the genjutsu aspect is concerned, you completely looked over 2 things. You brought up Katsuya, but failed to mention that she can split into tiny slugs. And 2, the panel regarding breaking free requires chakra and physical touch. Why was that not considered an option? You basically gave him the win off of it.
I wanna mention that from what I recall from Naruto, Tsunade nor Sakura, for that matter, has never been shown to regrow limbs. When Tsunade was cut in half, she was healed, but she just had her body put back together, not regrown. Also, if Tsunade would be able to do so, why did they need to make a hashirama cell arm for Naruto after his and Sasukes arms were decimated in their last duel of shippuden. Before I get the "um actually" from people Sakura like hours after unlocking her regen in the war she shared it with Obito so that he could look for Sasuke, so Tsunade should be able to do so even better. Also the Amaterasu is a win condition. While it is fire it works similar to acid than other fire jutsu and in the moment with Sakura and Obito Sakura got splashed with acid and didn't heal all that fast
100 healings and creation rebirth can restore organs and limbs - She didn't regen her lower half due to being low on chakra and the other kage were in a bad condition but not as as bad as her - Which is why she summoned katusyu who amps the healing whenever its done through her and she can put you in stasis to prevent loss of life as long as possible - 100 healings jutsu cannot be applied to other persons based on what we see but they can benefit from the chakra via chakra transfer
@OkairMcLaren Gotcha
I miss when six used to tell us to have a nice day 🥲
Why?
So you saying I wasn’t gonna have a nice day if he didn’t say that!?
I should smack you 😡
You guys forgot her ability to kick...
But yeah it's really strange that Tsunade has close to zero strategy in her fights. In her fight against Kabuto she does use that wierd inverted controls technique but even that's melee. You'd think she would use more cunning and deception in her fights. Like simply hiding, clone jutstu or smoke bombs, kunai with paper bombs ect. But nope... None of that