more like "Sir. Did he look like a drag queen?" No! "Did he look like a transexual?" No! "I dont think its the same guy, General. Ra looked like the most unconvincing trap since....since.....since that woman i met at IHOP who sold me this jacket." Colonel O'Neill! "Retired, general! I retired!""
@@AzguardMikeI like to think his life outside of the military is a smoking hot mess that leads to buying jackets from questionable people outside of IHOPs at 3 am like most men of actions lives are. Or as I like to put it “being good in bad situations typically means being bad in good situations”
Its funny how the staff weapons got progressively weaker as the series went on. In the original movie, you see them blowing up groups of people and hunks of stone. In the SG-1 pilot Jack uses one to blow a hole in a solid stone wall. Throughout the following seasons it downgrades from being able to destroy tree branches, to just making small burn marks on a log. That always bothered me.
CaptainPositron Got to make the Americans look like they're badass and in charge of things, especially when they're weakest and in charge of jack shit.
They mention that the staff weapon is more a weapon of fear than tactical, but they never needed to be that tactical, one reason being most of the people and races the goua'ld go up agaisnt are less advanced or primitive compared to them... it shown with teal'c and ba'tac that experienced warriors can expertly and efficiently use the weapon better then others. This is why Anubis later upgrades his kull warriors with rapid fire wrist gauntlets, mimicking the tauri (human) machine guns.
same with the Jafa armour... first few encounters the armour would stop most rounds... but later on not so much... However that was explained in the show that they had to use armour piercing rounds instead of regular rounds... Basically, the Tauri adapted quicker, the Goa'uld were slower to adapt ...
Considering how the Goa'uld and their Jaffa haven't fought so constantly until Earth came into play and seeing what the power source looks like, maybe the staff weapons didn't get the chance to fully recharge that often due to continuous usage in battles against Earth thus the blasts gets weakened over time. As for SMGs, isn't that the reason they switched to P-90s and later on made Trinium-coated bullets to penetrate the Jaffa's armour?
The weapon would have also been designed to not be easily operated by someone just picking one up. That said, the Air Force could easily figure that out, so, as said above, the reference was more likely related to the technology. Jack simply displayed a familiarity suggesting he might know a bit more about the weapon.
To be fair the horus guard were his elite guard, so naturally they would have superior weapons. I just hated that we never saw the rest of his forces. Remnant jaffa/ships after he was killed.
@@prolamer7 probably where Heru Ur got most of his people, to be real. Then Aphosis ended up with everything in the end... Only to get taken out like a punk.
I read that Sokar was the mightiest system lord at it's peak and several others including Ra and Apophis had to form an aliance to overthrow him. They did not kill him and later he went for Apophis.
There was no need for any retcon at all. The movies mythology was just fine as it was. The only reason a retcon was needed was to give the series a means of doing whatever it wanted.
@@MIGBMWLOVER First thing I can think of, in the movie Abydos was described as being ‘on the other side of the known galaxy’ but in SG-1 it was the closest world the gate could reach to explain why they could only dial there until they compensated for stellar drift.
@@michaelbeemer8019 ah no biggie for me at least, I probably never paid any attention in the scientific bubble in the movie except that it is connected to ancient Egyptian mythology and the symbols that are the Abydos address.
The natural conclusion here is that while this being may have been of the same species as Ra, he was obviously another individual of that species. The only way it could be Ra is if he actually could survive a tactical nuclear device exploding in his face and that is simply beyond the realm of belief.
At this point in the Series the common belief was that the Stargate only went to 1 address , it was the ' find ' on Abydos that opened up the possibility of more than 1 location . The human built computer system to operate the Stargate didn't take into account for ' Stellar Drift ' in an ' Expanding ' universe , after they found the ' Cartouche ' on Abydos Sam and Daniel collaborated into the ' Stellar Drift ' position . Which then led to Samantha Carter updating her computer system to allow for ' Stellar Drift ' in the calculations and randomly spitting out new addresses for all of the current stargate locations throughout the entire galaxy .
Neat prop an' all, but it just seems like the ones in the show were "nerfed". The movie staff weapons actually sounded more menacing, opened up a little more, and did some considerable damage. Additionally, they fired instantly, rather than taking a second to charge and then release the plasma bolt. But, those props were made of wood while the SG-1 staffs were probably made of metal. A comparison, not a complaint.
Did SG-1 ever figure out how to reverse-engineer the Jaffa staff-blasters? Maybe too cumbersome for a personal defense weapon, but they'd be great for a vehicle or fighter turret mount.
They figured it out but weren't interested - the quote you're after would be "This is a weapon of terror, meant to intimidate your enemy. This" _hefts human SMG_ "is a weapon of war. It is meant to _kill_ your enemy." ruclips.net/video/NjlCVW_ouL8/видео.html
@@AdamSmith-kq6ys I dont know man. Those supercharged staff weapons that Ra's horus guards carried sure looked like they were meant to kill. A good bet would have been to at least arm the f302's with them.
Sadly I got the vibe that they didnt spend too much time recovering and reverse engineering alien tech. Even in the movie, as far as im concerned I dont think they brought anything back. Even though there was plenty of staff weapons and even 2 gliders that the horus guard landed. Idk maybe ive played too much xcom but personally I would have taken anything thats not nailed down back for study. Maybourne would have loved me.
@@Felix0587 I mean they did eventually bring back enough to reverse-engineer ring transporters, artificial gravity, sublight engines, hyperdrives, naquadah generators, etc. We just don't see much of that because it's all at Area 51 and it's easier to use weapons that already have a production line. And they did eventually switch to using Zats as their standard sidearm. No reason to believe they didn't eventually start manufacturing those on Earth.
Reminds me of the Stargate Atlantis Episode when the convicts capture the team and fire a Rocket Launcher and do not realise it is pointed the wrong way!
I was always confused as to why in the movie Ra didn't bring any Jaffa with him as his guards were humans (you could see their bellies didn't have the X cut Jaffa's do)? I wish the show explained that a bit better.
Maybe it was like a vacation retreat. Celeb and high profile people are known going to their own private islands or remote places and abandon their guards, security, and escorts do their thing
Ra used his own people as Jaffa. He didnt have a Queen to produce laval goa'ulds. Hathor provided Apopthis with his, where as Ra simply lived on Abydoss to be praised and worshipped like the God he was. I think i read somewhere Ra was off world at the start of the film because he was attending a system lord meeting about Anubis, then returned to his planet where the un-named SG unit met him.
In Moebius, Ra is seen on earth with both Jaffa and human servants. On Abydos, which was merely a naquadah mining colony, perhaps he felt it not necessary for Jaffa security and used human warriors. Ra was the Supreme System Lord and known for doing things no other Goa'uld had done such as choosing the first and youngest human host. Also Hathor was Ra's queen and never in the service of Apophis. She spent the better portion of her life sealed in a sarcophagus.
We can't figure out how to operate this super advanced weapon that has an obvious lever to open and fire it Bit like, we spent 2+ years trying to decode the cover stones, failed miserably at the translation and couldn't find the seventh symbol on the gate, even though there was only ONE symbol that looked just like it. I started watching the series from the beginning again the other day and the number of times they just left staff weapons behind instead of grabbing them or using them against the Go'uld, is driving me nuts! Bullets in the beginning only seemed to have a 1% chance at actually penetrating their armour, whereas one staff shot always killed them. At the very least they could've taken them back and removed the liquid naquadah power ampule and studied it. Maybe then, the Prometheus and Daedalus ships might've had energy weapons instead of the rail guns that had little to no effect against shielded targets. Heck they could've mounted a whole bunch of those staff cannon weapons on the ship, they left enough of those behind as well.
Or maybe Hammond was trying to get Col. O’Neill to correct his report, and update the missing sections. Like that Abydos still had a gate, and Dr. Jackson still alive, there, and how those staff weapons worked, and …
Hmm, odd. I was just watching this episode on Hulu and didn't see the part where jack demonstrates the staff weapon, is this like a deleted or alternate scene? Or was this only included in the extended cut or something and apparently Hulu doesn't have that version.
Hulu has the TV cut of the series, which most likely removed quite a bit from the pilot. I suspect you probably don't remember Sha're's full-frontal nudity scene either.
@@kellyrayburn4093 yeah anubis can´t be killed... except maybe with merlin´s weapon, but then you kill all the ancients as well....... which might not be a bad thing considering how much trouble they caused for the galaxies
the biggest plothole is that Apophis Jaffa here dont have symbiotes. And as we later learn, without one a Jaffa will die within hours, and cannot travel via stargate. Meaning this was a suicide mission at best and a plothole at worst.
As stated by the doctor, they hadn't preforomed the autopsy yet. Just making assumptions by what they could currently see. Once they started cutting him open, they would most certainly have discovered the Prim'ta.
A jaffa staff weapon blast has less impact than a shotgun, but more than a P90. P90s are better than staff weapons because they are rapid fire and much more accurate.
@@moritamikamikara3879 I like to see staff weapons as basic hunting rifles. Great in the hands of one who has trained with and/or used one for a long time, and good at short-to-mid range yet next to useless at long range due to the lack of proper sights. By comparison, a P90 has not only the power to hit a target at just under 2000 yards, but has a built-in scope so it can be done so accurately. It may not have the stopping power of a staff weapon, but the fact that it can accurately hit many times even at a huge range, makes it a much deadly weapon.
Funny thing is, Apophis wanting a hot host for his wife triggered the eradication of the system lords.
So, much like Greek mythology, most of the Goa'ulds' problems are because he couldn't keep it in his pants?
@@gatedude07 95% of Greek mythology, either Athena got jealous and cursed someone, or Zeus couldn't keep his pants on.
@@That9one1Guy Pretty sure you're thinking of Hera, not Athena.
@@GoldenPantaloons Eh, I'd 50/50 split it at best. They both did a LOT of cursing people...
@@That9one1Guy and still the didn't explore Greek Mythology in the show...
"I got a good look at his eyes, Colonel. They glowed."
"And did he make you question your sexuality?"
"Certainly not!"
"Not the same guy, then."
more like
"Sir. Did he look like a drag queen?"
No!
"Did he look like a transexual?"
No!
"I dont think its the same guy, General. Ra looked like the most unconvincing trap since....since.....since that woman i met at IHOP who sold me this jacket."
Colonel O'Neill!
"Retired, general! I retired!""
I could actually see RDA saying this line
@@GCEXTREMEMN :)
That is hilarious.
@@AzguardMikeI like to think his life outside of the military is a smoking hot mess that leads to buying jackets from questionable people outside of IHOPs at 3 am like most men of actions lives are. Or as I like to put it “being good in bad situations typically means being bad in good situations”
Its funny how the staff weapons got progressively weaker as the series went on. In the original movie, you see them blowing up groups of people and hunks of stone. In the SG-1 pilot Jack uses one to blow a hole in a solid stone wall. Throughout the following seasons it downgrades from being able to destroy tree branches, to just making small burn marks on a log. That always bothered me.
CaptainPositron Got to make the Americans look like they're badass and in charge of things, especially when they're weakest and in charge of jack shit.
They mention that the staff weapon is more a weapon of fear than tactical, but they never needed to be that tactical, one reason being most of the people and races the goua'ld go up agaisnt are less advanced or primitive compared to them...
it shown with teal'c and ba'tac that experienced warriors can expertly and efficiently use the weapon better then others.
This is why Anubis later upgrades his kull warriors with rapid fire wrist gauntlets, mimicking the tauri (human) machine guns.
Because as the war continued, high demand and shortage of weapon quality naquahdah resulted in decreased quality.
same with the Jafa armour... first few encounters the armour would stop most rounds... but later on not so much...
However that was explained in the show that they had to use armour piercing rounds instead of regular rounds...
Basically, the Tauri adapted quicker, the Goa'uld were slower to adapt ...
Considering how the Goa'uld and their Jaffa haven't fought so constantly until Earth came into play and seeing what the power source looks like, maybe the staff weapons didn't get the chance to fully recharge that often due to continuous usage in battles against Earth thus the blasts gets weakened over time.
As for SMGs, isn't that the reason they switched to P-90s and later on made Trinium-coated bullets to penetrate the Jaffa's armour?
O'Neal handled that staff weapon like a boss.
O'Neill, with two L's. There is another O'Neil in the airforce, but he has no sense of humour.
@@derianvandalsen I love that there's almost always someone to bring this up whenever someone says "O'Neil".
The air force couldn't figure out how a staff weapon operated? Apparently the incredibly obvious trigger mechanism wasn't a less than subtle hint.
The weapon would have also been designed to not be easily operated by someone just picking one up. That said, the Air Force could easily figure that out, so, as said above, the reference was more likely related to the technology. Jack simply displayed a familiarity suggesting he might know a bit more about the weapon.
Maybe they were being cautious. When you pick up an alien device, it's probably smart if you don't just go pushing buttons.
@@MWSin1 or it was a test, Hammond wanted to see how Jack would react.
Dwight Stewart Its one thing to know how to operate/use a weapon or device and another matter entirely to know how it functions and does its thing
Just be greatfull the army didn't get their hands on them. Can you imagine the number of SHARP reports those things will generate?
Can be explained in universe though. Ra was the leader and the strongest. He had the best toys.
To be fair the horus guard were his elite guard, so naturally they would have superior weapons. I just hated that we never saw the rest of his forces. Remnant jaffa/ships after he was killed.
@@Felix0587 Presumably in the year between the events of the movie and the show, they were all absorbed by another System Lord, probably Apophis.
@@IBeforeAExceptAfterK I would think Heru Ur he was his son, Ras jafa would never serve serpent god...
@@prolamer7 probably where Heru Ur got most of his people, to be real.
Then Aphosis ended up with everything in the end... Only to get taken out like a punk.
I read that Sokar was the mightiest system lord at it's peak and several others including Ra and Apophis had to form an aliance to overthrow him. They did not kill him and later he went for Apophis.
SG1 has the best, most logical, and most needed retconning ever
There was no need for any retcon at all. The movies mythology was just fine as it was. The only reason a retcon was needed was to give the series a means of doing whatever it wanted.
what the retconed in relation to the movie exactly?
@@MIGBMWLOVER First thing I can think of, in the movie Abydos was described as being ‘on the other side of the known galaxy’ but in SG-1 it was the closest world the gate could reach to explain why they could only dial there until they compensated for stellar drift.
@@michaelbeemer8019 ah no biggie for me at least, I probably never paid any attention in the scientific bubble in the movie except that it is connected to ancient Egyptian mythology and the symbols that are the Abydos address.
Well, “Known Galaxy” could be subjective enough to still hold true at the time.
1:10: Unless he can survive a tactical warhead blowing up in his face, i’m positive.
Love that reference to the movie
The natural conclusion here is that while this being may have been of the same species as Ra, he was obviously another individual of that species. The only way it could be Ra is if he actually could survive a tactical nuclear device exploding in his face and that is simply beyond the realm of belief.
Thank you...?
At this point in the Series the common belief was that the Stargate only went to 1 address , it was the ' find ' on Abydos that opened up the possibility of more than 1 location . The human built computer system to operate the Stargate didn't take into account for ' Stellar Drift ' in an ' Expanding ' universe , after they found the ' Cartouche ' on Abydos Sam and Daniel collaborated into the ' Stellar Drift ' position . Which then led to Samantha Carter updating her computer system to allow for ' Stellar Drift ' in the calculations and randomly spitting out new addresses for all of the current stargate locations throughout the entire galaxy .
Neat prop an' all, but it just seems like the ones in the show were "nerfed". The movie staff weapons actually sounded more menacing, opened up a little more, and did some considerable damage. Additionally, they fired instantly, rather than taking a second to charge and then release the plasma bolt. But, those props were made of wood while the SG-1 staffs were probably made of metal. A comparison, not a complaint.
Ikr. The movie staff's were awesome.
Probably something related to budgetary constraints between a Hollywood film and a TV show.
Fascinating how the staff weapons are changed so they are more single target weapons.
It's possible that Ra kept the best toys for itself.
Now there are TWO of them! This is getting out of hand!
We should not have made this bargain!
The start of something good.
Jaffa are human they just have been implanted with a pouch to house the Symbiote with the side effects that entails
@Nero X they maybe genetically modified humans but they are fundamentally human
No need to reboot sg1 it’s perfect as it is
Did SG-1 ever figure out how to reverse-engineer the Jaffa staff-blasters? Maybe too cumbersome for a personal defense weapon, but they'd be great for a vehicle or fighter turret mount.
They figured it out but weren't interested - the quote you're after would be "This is a weapon of terror, meant to intimidate your enemy. This" _hefts human SMG_ "is a weapon of war. It is meant to _kill_ your enemy."
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@@AdamSmith-kq6ys I dont know man. Those supercharged staff weapons that Ra's horus guards carried sure looked like they were meant to kill.
A good bet would have been to at least arm the f302's with them.
Sadly I got the vibe that they didnt spend too much time recovering and reverse engineering alien tech. Even in the movie, as far as im concerned I dont think they brought anything back. Even though there was plenty of staff weapons and even 2 gliders that the horus guard landed.
Idk maybe ive played too much xcom but personally I would have taken anything thats not nailed down back for study. Maybourne would have loved me.
@@Felix0587 Bro. i would have been helping you carry so much tech back to earth.
@@Felix0587 I mean they did eventually bring back enough to reverse-engineer ring transporters, artificial gravity, sublight engines, hyperdrives, naquadah generators, etc. We just don't see much of that because it's all at Area 51 and it's easier to use weapons that already have a production line. And they did eventually switch to using Zats as their standard sidearm. No reason to believe they didn't eventually start manufacturing those on Earth.
And if you were handed an M-16 a thousand years ago would you know what the trigger was or how to disengage the safety?
Maybe if you'd seen someone else do it.
Very possibly, considering the handgrip and trigger, but at least a couple of people will end up injured or killed.
Reminds me of the Stargate Atlantis Episode when the convicts capture the team and fire a Rocket Launcher and do not realise it is pointed the wrong way!
@@gerryfogarty8610 I loved those little details. Made it feel just a bit more believable.
All Hail Hammond of Texas
Simmons: We can't figure out how they work.
O'Neill: *presses a button or two and makes it work*
How did they not figure that one out?
It's the age old rule to make average intellect characters look cool.
...Make everybody else around them dumber.
I was always confused as to why in the movie Ra didn't bring any Jaffa with him as his guards were humans (you could see their bellies didn't have the X cut Jaffa's do)? I wish the show explained that a bit better.
Because the movie was written before the TV series. The concept of Jaffa and Goa'uld was invented for TV.
I believe the lore explanation is that Ra had a preference for humans, as he was the first to bring humans from Earth as slaves.
Maybe it was like a vacation retreat. Celeb and high profile people are known going to their own private islands or remote places and abandon their guards, security, and escorts do their thing
Ra used his own people as Jaffa. He didnt have a Queen to produce laval goa'ulds. Hathor provided Apopthis with his, where as Ra simply lived on Abydoss to be praised and worshipped like the God he was. I think i read somewhere Ra was off world at the start of the film because he was attending a system lord meeting about Anubis, then returned to his planet where the un-named SG unit met him.
In Moebius, Ra is seen on earth with both Jaffa and human servants. On Abydos, which was merely a naquadah mining colony, perhaps he felt it not necessary for Jaffa security and used human warriors. Ra was the Supreme System Lord and known for doing things no other Goa'uld had done such as choosing the first and youngest human host. Also Hathor was Ra's queen and never in the service of Apophis. She spent the better portion of her life sealed in a sarcophagus.
We can't figure out how to operate this super advanced weapon that has an obvious lever to open and fire it
Bit like, we spent 2+ years trying to decode the cover stones, failed miserably at the translation and couldn't find the seventh symbol on the gate, even though there was only ONE symbol that looked just like it.
I started watching the series from the beginning again the other day and the number of times they just left staff weapons behind instead of grabbing them or using them against the Go'uld, is driving me nuts!
Bullets in the beginning only seemed to have a 1% chance at actually penetrating their armour, whereas one staff shot always killed them.
At the very least they could've taken them back and removed the liquid naquadah power ampule and studied it.
Maybe then, the Prometheus and Daedalus ships might've had energy weapons instead of the rail guns that had little to no effect against shielded targets.
Heck they could've mounted a whole bunch of those staff cannon weapons on the ship, they left enough of those behind as well.
Or maybe Hammond was trying to get Col. O’Neill to correct his report, and update the missing sections. Like that Abydos still had a gate, and Dr. Jackson still alive, there, and how those staff weapons worked, and …
Now remember, General Hammond and Jack O’Neill had actually once before…..decades ago……
So did teal'c he met Jack O'Neill. In fact he kind of lost a fight to Jack O'Neill LOL
Hmm, odd. I was just watching this episode on Hulu and didn't see the part where jack demonstrates the staff weapon, is this like a deleted or alternate scene? Or was this only included in the extended cut or something and apparently Hulu doesn't have that version.
First one.
Hulu has the TV cut of the series, which most likely removed quite a bit from the pilot. I suspect you probably don't remember Sha're's full-frontal nudity scene either.
Hulu version is jack shit
Hmm, i want jaffa cakes.
I went to. The store and there are no jaffa cakes. I'm now upset
@@NicoDiAngelo603 What a tragic saga.
Hammond was the right man, in the right place, at the right time. Way to go, Goa'uld; pissing off the USAF.
1:05 You know, Anubis survived worse...
apophis and ba´al also survived a lot
@@Alegost1 Aphophis did not survive Faceplating on a Planet at near lightspeed.
And Ba'al cheated by cloning.
Anubis was also a half ascended being. Not the same. Not at all the same.
@@kellyrayburn4093 yeah anubis can´t be killed... except maybe with merlin´s weapon, but then you kill all the ancients as well....... which might not be a bad thing considering how much trouble they caused for the galaxies
@@Alegost1 Ba'al died, many, many times over (clones).
What episode is this from?
the biggest plothole is that Apophis Jaffa here dont have symbiotes. And as we later learn, without one a Jaffa will die within hours, and cannot travel via stargate. Meaning this was a suicide mission at best and a plothole at worst.
Unless Apophis had his Jaffa retrieve the immature Goa'uld from the fallen off screen for some reason.
Yay ⛽️🎁
I like the Zats better
If there is a dead Jaffa at the base wouldn't they have found the Goa'uld?
As stated by the doctor, they hadn't preforomed the autopsy yet. Just making assumptions by what they could currently see. Once they started cutting him open, they would most certainly have discovered the Prim'ta.
Most likely Apophis guards took larval goaulds with them back to Chulak.
How did Apophis go back thru the gate if they didn't have a dial panel in SGC?
Got his guards to rotate it manually
@@Cx10110100 script shows Anubis had a wrist device
Snake technology, obviously.
Milky Way gates can be manually dialled, and have enough charge from an incoming wormhole to dial back out again.
could a blast from a Jaffa Staff Weapon hurt/kill Superman and could it penetrate Captain America's Shield?
No.
A jaffa staff weapon blast has less impact than a shotgun, but more than a P90. P90s are better than staff weapons because they are rapid fire and much more accurate.
Staffs are accurate because they are long
But they are also inaccurate because THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FUCKING SIGHTS!
@@moritamikamikara3879 I like to see staff weapons as basic hunting rifles. Great in the hands of one who has trained with and/or used one for a long time, and good at short-to-mid range yet next to useless at long range due to the lack of proper sights.
By comparison, a P90 has not only the power to hit a target at just under 2000 yards, but has a built-in scope so it can be done so accurately.
It may not have the stopping power of a staff weapon, but the fact that it can accurately hit many times even at a huge range, makes it a much deadly weapon.