Bro. Your right because so far every audit they have had they seem to lose billions of dollars. I wonder if SG1 had Pentagon's help and someone said that and they put it in the show 😆😆😆😆😆😆
For people wondering why Ernest was sent to the other gate if the rope was still sticking out of the gate: my head canon is that they hit the 38 minute limit and because Earth did not have a connected DHD or even a dialling system, the gate did not have the safety protocol that tells it not to send partially stored objects. So, Ernest goes in attached to the rope/breathing tube - the 38 min limit cuts off the event horizon - Ernest, still in the gate buffer, is automatically sent to the receiving gate due to the lack of safety protocol in place.
gates send things instantly, Ernest wasn't stored. the gates will also only keep a wormhole open if organic matter is In the event horizon. outside of special cases such as a black hole or override. it's actually the lack of dhd that caused the disconnect considering they are the power source for the dialing gate. gate only had enough juice for a short term wormhole
@@razorcloud1 gates do not send things instantly. If they did then simply placing your hands into the gate (like what Daniel did in the first movie, and many other times throughout the show) then your hands would instantly shoot away from your body and arrive at the destination without the rest of you. Look at the episode ‘38 minutes’ and it explains that matter IS stored inside the gate buffer before sending it away. Therefore the stargate counts both Ernest and the breathing tube as a single entity - stores what’s passed into the event horizon temporarily while waiting on the rest of the object (breathing tube). It wasn’t a lack of DHD problem as no matter what power source you use, a wormhole that doesn’t have matter actively passsing through it will remain open for 38 minutes, regardless. He was in the buffer, therefore the stargate power cut off would not have been activated (unlesss they hit the standard shut off 38 mins). Stargates only keep a wormhole open due to organic matter being present (within the buffer) if a DHD is connected. Which Earth doesn’t have so the gate cuts itself off when the time limit hit. Even disconnected stargates have enough power for one 38 minute outgoing wormhole (seen in the S3 finale) so it’s not the lack of DHD issue. That scenario is pretty much an exact copy of what Ernest and his team did in the 40s or 50s (can’t remember date). No DHD, manual dial out. Yet in SG1’s case it didn’t cut off after a few mins, if they didn’t use the gate it would have stayed open for the full amount of time.
@@razorcloud1 Think with the black hole it was because the gate didnt hit the 38 minute mark because it hadnt been 38 minutes on the far side due to time dilation. Been a while since i saw that one though
Best part of the episode is when the team starts laying down multiple reasons why they should set out to find this guy to General Hammond, assuming it was going to be a hard sell convincing the general to go after someone missing for fifty years. Hammond thanks everyone for their efforts in making their case, but made it clear he was going to green-light the mission from the very get-go.
Regarding why the gate shut down with cables entering it, how do we know it didn't hit the 38 minute limit? The film was heavily edited. The gate could have been active for the entire time it took to get Ernest into the diving gear.
I was so ready to RIP this video a new one based on that premise, I mean I was typing and grinning that I had found a gaping plot hole to lull over the entire SG series...then my girlfriend sees me smiling, inquires, I explain with a almost villainous monolog, she thinks for a moment and says..."isn't there a 38 minute limit to the gate, and isn't that film a little choppy so there's no way of telling how long it's been open?" My smile fades as my mind as a "SON OF A BIOTCH" moment of realization as I started hitting the backspace button On the upside, that's the moment I realized, this woman completes me. I'm so going to marry her one day.
The real question is why Ernest was materialized at all at the other end. Since both SG1 and SGA establish that the gate only sends things through in discrete units. SG1 showed a Jaffa's head being partly demolecularized and cut off when the gate disengaged (the head didn't go through the other end), and SGA has the episode '38 minutes' where the front-end of a puddlejumper would have been lost. So Ernest, diver suit and all should have stayed in the receiving Stargate's buffer until the pattern degraded or was overwritten on the next dial-in. Although a workaround would be if we assume Ernest was actually send through first, and these cut cables were connected to something (or someone?) else. There could have been a 2nd diver suit for all we know, a nameless red shirt who perished inside the buffer.
We must assume that they had turned it on at least once before. On that occasion they saw what the event horizon resembled, which is how they knew to have a diving suit and related equipment handy. Maybe they took too long getting Ernest kitted up, or maybe a fuse blew in the power supply and interrupted current to the Ring, shutting it down unexpectedly.
I love the sort of retro jazz version of the show's theme song that plays at the start of this episode. Just imagine if Origins had been about what we see in this episode and kept that musical signature. It could've been amazing.
they should be so lucky they didnt succeed back in those days... had they had the stargate fully operational sending out teams and then end up encountering the goa'uld, there be no way they could have adapted so quickly to using advanced technologies to defend against them, doubt they'd have come up with the Iris either.
I've seen russian fanfiction book that explored this, talking about several parallel universes where the gates were opened in different countries and times, like nazis and stalinist USSR, which usually ended badly.
To be fair, people were just as smart back then as they are now, they just didn't have the advancements in history we do now. The Goa'uld would also have been from 50 years ago. Power struggles, vacuums, and rifts among their ranks might've been rife. Who knows, maybe they were politically weaker. Given that they were turning the dial by hand whatever planets they visited first they would've had to study harder while they found a way to find more planets. We might've been better off, they might've advanced technology in an entirely different way. One more derivative of technology they'd found, but they would study it harder and use it to advance civilization. It might've turned out ok. Sure, there's a big chance they get stomped by the Goa'uld, but human innovation is timeless, they would've found methods to exploit the weakness in the Goa'uld regime because even back in the 50's, "culturally" speaking we were super advanced even then. It wasn't just tech and ingenuity that beat the Goa'uld, it was people. Half the people in the modern SG-1 don't understand half of what they do, but they make it work all the same. But definitely a hazard, no doubt.
I remember that episode that when they dialed the same Chevrons and found the guy still alive living in the building on the edge of the cliff that was falling apart.
There is a fanfiction story called the stargate initiative revised edition. It's set in this timeline where ernest littlefield had another bit of WWII tech with him when he entered the gate to heliopolis. Fanfiction dot net has the story but not sure if there is more of the story on another site.
True, though Stargate the movie was adapted for TV, it isn't an exact continuation of the film. I'm waiting for reuploaded episodes of Origins to see how they butcher things with that show too... :D
I like how cinematic the documentary filming turned out, with perfect coverage and edits that almost seem impossible if its really a single guy with one camera witnessing an event in real time with no multiple takes....
The Stargate makes a strange sound right before the kawoosh. Any such person, already nervous by the shaking, might have leapt away thinking it was about to explode.
Actually they thought he was entering an Ocean.. They had no clue about Wormholes at the time. They called them White Holes until 1936. Which was changed to Einstein-Rosen bridges...Not sure when they started using the the term Wormholes..As they thought matter could not pass through them. They were wrong.. As a Wormhole contains 3 dimensional information. In a two dimensional form. On the walls.
One big reason is how it suddenly expands the whole Stargate universe, with both the revelation that the Stargates weren't created by the Goa'uld and there were four other races that were out there with secrets to reveal. One of them who has yet to reveal theirs, except maybe how their ancestors helped defeat a giant planet-killing space station. This is exploration!
This is a very sad episode because the man they met when they went there lost over fifty years of his life and can never get it back. That's a life wasted and lost. That's the saddest thing of life.
even if they had tried another dialing to bring him back, it wouldnt have worked. Gate travel is one direction. You have to dial from the destination to return
One of the most poignant episodes, a great callback to the movie, and from a SF high concept POV one of the most interesting stories. It evoked the mysteries of interstellar travel by gate, and started the process of learning the story of the ancients in a way that preserved all the obscurity, sense of limits to our knowledge, and developing sense of wonder at the scale of history and space that started to fade just a bit as it turned into a big war story.
If I understand correctly the only gate that moved was the stationary gate on set in the "gate room" -- they do a great job of redressing that set. I never suspected it was a redress though it does make me wonder if walls near the gate could be more easily moved.
I know this is Season 1, and the rules weren't established, but if the cable was still connected to the diver's suit, thus keeping the matter stream profile within the Gate's memory banks, how did Ernest re-materialise before the 'Gate shut down? Or... did the Heliopolis Gate spit Ernest out after the Earth Gate's power run out?
@@SaiSivakumar Yeah, but in that episode it didn't at all seem that the gate was open for that long. Could have been though. Maybe they were surprised to see the open gate, they didn't yet know for certain what it was, they decided to send someone through, but it took a long time to put the old fashioned diving suit on.
Everybody trying to figure out why the gate closed itself with cables still going through it. Did anyone consider the option that the power might have been alright, but they just had it open for 38 minutes? Since it was likely the first time they saw the gate open, it took time to record everything and set up Ernest... It's likely he made it to the other side just barely in time.
Yeah, but isn't there also that thing where they can hold a gate open by keeping an arm in the event horizon? That would seem to contradict, unless the gate only takes organic material into account.
@@SGtidbits I think the duration has at least some control by the sending gate. They can cut off power (or lose it) in most cases for an outgoing wormhole, such as when Jack held Kawalsky's head in the gate as it was manually shut down.. The black hole was the exception there, since so much power was absorbed by the other gate. But most of the "38 minute" episodes were related to an incoming gate, so they didn't have that control on this side.
And they never redialed when it closed. "Welp thats it boys. Pack it in" ....Littlefield was trapped because they didn't even try again. Little trivia..the guy playing young Littlefield would become the doctor on Atlantis.
Well, it's easy to write off Littlefield as MIA when their budget likely didn't allow for a second dial. Powering up a gate isn't as simple as plugging into a 120v outlet, and the military wanted to play with their new atomic bomb technology more. I could see Catherine's dad raising a protest but when your research is controlled by the military's pursestrings, there's only so much you can do.
So? Doesn't mean there is a continuity issue. The handles were removed in favor of the computer controlled system, why would there be evidence of handles?
Not like they could actually drill through the ring to screw in the handles, so they probably fixed them in place with mastic or some other cement, which would have flaked away easily, or simply been cleaned up afterward.
The one who plays as Beckett also has a role in the first StarTrek reboot. When the cadets are being assigned to a ship, he is the one that Kirk says to "You didn't call my name"
Well there are a lot of holes in this episode actually...1. They found out all the requirements to activate the gate, decades before computers and Jackson, 2. Why was the poor guy ready with a diver suit AND afterwards everyone was shocked by the closing connection?
This is the moment when the Series collides with the Movie. If Daniel was the one who figured out the seventh symbol in the movie, then how did Catherine's boyfriend go through the gate in 1945?
Information got classified maybe? Daniel did point out, when they were trying to get the Russian DHD, that the us government has many different secret departments, and nobody talks to each other. It's like in my industry. Pontiac engineering withholding things from Chevy engineering. Everyone playing on the same side, yet opposing teams.
So seeing as what we learned later in in Stargate Atlantis the guy should be dead, right (lost in the wormhole)? Cause the gate waits until the object has entered the gate completely before it materialises it on the other side. But the wire to the suit hasn't gone through the hole so the transfer wasn't complete. So either this episode or Atlantis lied to us in that regard (or the Pegasus gates work different than the milky way ones).
in the Stargate Universe that is impossible because the planet they went to is further than way than abydos closest to earth and it was not affected by planetary drift cording to Major Carter's equation
If it was on the other side of the milky way, with an orbit matching Sol, then it's conceivable that there could be minimal drift. Far more likely it's just conveniently ignored for the sake of plot
That's 50 years earlier. Maybe the guys working on the gate back then were smart enough to compensate for drift but their notes were lost to history? Who knows.
@@Jorvard Short-lived. Remember in the Lost City 2-part episode Anubis's fleet made short work of the Nimitz task group from orbit. The Essex-class carriers wouldn't pose a threat. I could see a group of humans making a hail-mary jump through the gate and doing what they could from other worlds to deal with the Goa'uld. War-weary vets and scientists who were way out of their league might just win over some Jaffa. I forget how old Te'alc was and if he had even been born yet, but I know Bra'tac would find WW2 vets as kindred souls.
The three-zats-disintegrate thing seemed so funny back in the day but was it really? Honestly, not necessarily. Although I doubt that it would have disintegrated anything. Rather it shifted matter out of phase. That's just what I think. Star Trek phasers on the other hand...
The weapon operates on electrocuting the target. How would being electrocuted make you shift out of phase? The accumulated charge causing the bonds between your molecules to break down is at least slightly more plausible.
I wanna know who that officer was that they showed looking at the active gate was at 1:49. That would have made for an interesting side-note. His notes might not have explained why they ended it.
'Doorway to Heaven' experiments, day 327, addressing my CO's concern that the Doorway, once opened, might expose a hostile and technologically superior entity or population thereof. I have forwarded a request through channels to the Manhattan Project for a working prototype of their device to be delivered to us, that we may send through the Doorway so that said hostile aliens may be blown to kingdom come rather than allow them to come visit Earth via the Doorway. Unfortunately, so far, our request has not yet been granted. The goofy scientists here don't seem to share our concerns. Instead of ordinance, they are preparing to send a lab tech in a deep sea diving suit into the Doorway. Eggheads. I mean really. It's like not one of them even listened to that news report on the radio not so long ago. The hostile aliens are there, and everyone knows they mean us harm. Hopefully they won't be unduly provoked by having a Junior scientist appear on their doorstep. Keeping my fingers crossed.
while you can explain the gate closing despite something being in the wormhole (the air pipe) as a power failure/shortage or the time limit, why would they have a diving outfit nearby in the first place?
Obviously they'd gotten it turned on before, long enough to see what the event horizon resembled. And they figured breathing equipment would be helpful.
Did anyone else see the lore break in this. Earnst was linked to this side by the cables right, the gate shut down cut them. BUT in SGU, Eli has to stick his arm into the event horizon to keep the gate open longer than the 33 minute limit. Someone stuffed up.....
Actually, the explnation is simple: Power. It's very unlikely that they could sustain the power required to keep the wormhole open for long and so the gate shut down due to power failure. The destiny gates didn't have that restriction, nor any gate with a working power source on both ends for that matter.
Pretty much, even safeties don't run when you pull the cord. For that matter, I think it has been said that the gate's software (including safeties) is in the DHD which they didn't have. They were pretty much just running the most basic function here.
With SGU, Eli stick his arm into the event horizon to stall the destiny clock. However that Stargate was connected to a DHD system (although the oldest known of the network) it probably had safety features built into it to prevent the connection being cut while matter is still present within the event horizon. With the stargate's known time limit for every gate which is a 38 minute window. I doubt the arm trick would work, since I believe the 38 minute window is there for power related reasons.
If the gate wich ELi stuck his arm into reached the 38 min threshold. We'd have an amputated Eli. The arm trick was not to prevent the gate shutting down after 38 minutes. It was for the gate to refuse the automatic shut down command from destiny.
I don't think this is episode 10 of season 1... I'm watching Thor's Hammer and it is clearly not it, though is an interesting episode which I forgot about Torment of Tantalus is episode 11, I just wanted to see if the 1945 footage lines up with other time travel in SG1 like is SG1 dialing the gate manually? Seems like a thing my brain feels happened but my memory is fuzzy
What it's like when I'm "manually" booking a holiday by saving up with my weekly spending money rather than taking money from my ISA to book my holidays....
Well he is an Air force officer and I sure swearing in the presence of a senior officer is frowned upon so maybe he has trained him himself not to swear.
Yeah I'm with Danny down there, Military Men are trained with discipline and good behavior, ostensibly so they can best represent their branch & country in their daily service.
@@michaelheath2866 well yes but he's sworn before such as when Klorel (is that how you spell it), Skara's snake tells him that nothing of the host survives, he angrily responds "That is bullshit". or when they travel back in time (Season 8 finale, moebius pt. 1) and they get ambushed and he's about to swear but gets cut of by the grenade ("Oh, fu-"). or even when him and Woollsey get captured by replicators in Atlantis and McKay explains the plan he responds by saying "Sounds more like a plan F, for we are totally [fucked]". This might just be him letting loose once in a while, but i thought id take the other side of the argument just for the sake of it.
I'm sorry Daniel. I like watching these old videos while knowing some of the history and wondering about the rest. But how did the 1945 team activate the gate if they didn't know about the point of origin?
I don't remember the episode... You mean the address they used wasn't random but from that wall, or that SG-1 used same address? The former is actually stupid and you are right. While with the later you don't get that much drift over 60 years or so (instead of 5000 years since when Ra was using it.)
The address was a close match to Abydos, and Abydos was accessible via an untuned Gate because of the relatively close proximities of the two systems. Hence, Ernest's Planet would have been just as close. I mean, that's what was stated outright in the episode.
Yup, I was thinking this as well. Though I am not sure if this had been established yet. I do know that in the first season of Stargate Atlantis they made it a point that this couldn't work but I am not 100% sure if that is also true in SG1. Obviously it is the same universe so they follow the same rules, but it might been added as a "gatetravel rule" later on hence the inconsistancy.
Could someone tell me what episode is this? Also I remember an episode where the people of a planet had the Stargate in the park of a museum and then the team came through the Stargate. Some people wear the gate as necklace
This is season 1 episode 10, "The Torment of Tantalus". www.imdb.com/title/tt0709205/ As to the other episode you mentioned, I know what you mean, but unfortunately I'm unable to figure out which one that is with the current amount of information. Perhaps if you could say more about it I could find out.
I am not buying the 38 minute limited the comments section here tries to sell. You are telling me they managed to turn it on and have Ernest walk in exactly at 37 minutes and 55 seconds? Because it is edited? Powercutoff or another crash in the makeshift system, anything is better than that
I agree that it's episode 11, because "Children of the Gods" should be counted as two episodes in order to eventually get the season 10 episode "200" as the 200th episode, but if I put in the description that this is episode 11, I get comments from people telling me that it's episode 10. There is just no winning with this one.
Don't say "holy cow." It's a form of worship to satan, who has the face of an ox. He was a covering cherub, before he sinned. Cherubs have either a face of an eagle, lion, ox, or a man, with man's hands, wings, and hoof like feet. Cherubims have 4 faces eagle on one side, ox on one side, lion on one side, and face like a man on the other side. This is were the facination of cow worship originated from. See baal, molech, baphomet, etc = satan worship The more you know. Let us give the One True Living God, Yah, all the honor, and glory, and only He is called holy.
Daniel: "The Pentagon said that this is all there is."
O'Neil: "Oh please! The Pentagon has lost entire countries."
Love it!
Bro. Your right because so far every audit they have had they seem to lose billions of dollars. I wonder if SG1 had Pentagon's help and someone said that and they put it in the show 😆😆😆😆😆😆
@@MrBennieagray Plausible deniability. There was a SG-1 Episode on that too. 😆
@@charlesphillips1468 yup 5 audits failed in a row and over 220 billion missing. Maybe they should check the couch 😆😆😆
@@MrBennieagray Let me check my bank account... Nope, not there. 😄
@@MrBennieagraylots of high ranking brass (especially in the Air Force) LOVED SG1: even their chief of Staff Guested on an episode.
Oh please the Pentagon has lost entire countries
I love that line.
He meant (*lost) disappeared
That's the best line 😂
I don't really get that line... Since when does Pentagon own any countries?
@@Domihork You don't need ownership over something to loose it :P
For people wondering why Ernest was sent to the other gate if the rope was still sticking out of the gate: my head canon is that they hit the 38 minute limit and because Earth did not have a connected DHD or even a dialling system, the gate did not have the safety protocol that tells it not to send partially stored objects. So, Ernest goes in attached to the rope/breathing tube - the 38 min limit cuts off the event horizon - Ernest, still in the gate buffer, is automatically sent to the receiving gate due to the lack of safety protocol in place.
Yeah, that makes sense to me.
gates send things instantly, Ernest wasn't stored.
the gates will also only keep a wormhole open if organic matter is In the event horizon. outside of special cases such as a black hole or override.
it's actually the lack of dhd that caused the disconnect considering they are the power source for the dialing gate.
gate only had enough juice for a short term wormhole
@@razorcloud1 gates do not send things instantly. If they did then simply placing your hands into the gate (like what Daniel did in the first movie, and many other times throughout the show) then your hands would instantly shoot away from your body and arrive at the destination without the rest of you. Look at the episode ‘38 minutes’ and it explains that matter IS stored inside the gate buffer before sending it away. Therefore the stargate counts both Ernest and the breathing tube as a single entity - stores what’s passed into the event horizon temporarily while waiting on the rest of the object (breathing tube).
It wasn’t a lack of DHD problem as no matter what power source you use, a wormhole that doesn’t have matter actively passsing through it will remain open for 38 minutes, regardless. He was in the buffer, therefore the stargate power cut off would not have been activated (unlesss they hit the standard shut off 38 mins). Stargates only keep a wormhole open due to organic matter being present (within the buffer) if a DHD is connected. Which Earth doesn’t have so the gate cuts itself off when the time limit hit.
Even disconnected stargates have enough power for one 38 minute outgoing wormhole (seen in the S3 finale) so it’s not the lack of DHD issue. That scenario is pretty much an exact copy of what Ernest and his team did in the 40s or 50s (can’t remember date).
No DHD, manual dial out. Yet in SG1’s case it didn’t cut off after a few mins, if they didn’t use the gate it would have stayed open for the full amount of time.
@@razorcloud1 Think with the black hole it was because the gate didnt hit the 38 minute mark because it hadnt been 38 minutes on the far side due to time dilation. Been a while since i saw that one though
@@razorcloud1 Also, the episode 48 hours where Teal'c gets stuck in the gate is another example of the gate storing information.
Best part of the episode is when the team starts laying down multiple reasons why they should set out to find this guy to General Hammond, assuming it was going to be a hard sell convincing the general to go after someone missing for fifty years.
Hammond thanks everyone for their efforts in making their case, but made it clear he was going to green-light the mission from the very get-go.
Yeah Hammond was always that kind of guy ;)
@@Raeye1 General George S. "Ride-or-Die" Hammond
I don't know why they thought it would be a hard sell. I mean, they know about gate travel and have the opportunity to bring one of theirs home.
@@gamerboy64 It's "Hammond of Texas" *gestures at head*
No one left behind.
Regarding why the gate shut down with cables entering it, how do we know it didn't hit the 38 minute limit? The film was heavily edited. The gate could have been active for the entire time it took to get Ernest into the diving gear.
I was so ready to RIP this video a new one based on that premise, I mean I was typing and grinning that I had found a gaping plot hole to lull over the entire SG series...then my girlfriend sees me smiling, inquires, I explain with a almost villainous monolog, she thinks for a moment and says..."isn't there a 38 minute limit to the gate, and isn't that film a little choppy so there's no way of telling how long it's been open?"
My smile fades as my mind as a "SON OF A BIOTCH" moment of realization as I started hitting the backspace button
On the upside, that's the moment I realized, this woman completes me. I'm so going to marry her one day.
The real question is why Ernest was materialized at all at the other end. Since both SG1 and SGA establish that the gate only sends things through in discrete units. SG1 showed a Jaffa's head being partly demolecularized and cut off when the gate disengaged (the head didn't go through the other end), and SGA has the episode '38 minutes' where the front-end of a puddlejumper would have been lost. So Ernest, diver suit and all should have stayed in the receiving Stargate's buffer until the pattern degraded or was overwritten on the next dial-in.
Although a workaround would be if we assume Ernest was actually send through first, and these cut cables were connected to something (or someone?) else. There could have been a 2nd diver suit for all we know, a nameless red shirt who perished inside the buffer.
We must assume that they had turned it on at least once before. On that occasion they saw what the event horizon resembled, which is how they knew to have a diving suit and related equipment handy.
Maybe they took too long getting Ernest kitted up, or maybe a fuse blew in the power supply and interrupted current to the Ring, shutting it down unexpectedly.
@@f.r.wilson7603 and have you?
@@captain61games49 nope, not yet. But I do have her ring size. 😉😉
I love the sort of retro jazz version of the show's theme song that plays at the start of this episode. Just imagine if Origins had been about what we see in this episode and kept that musical signature. It could've been amazing.
The REAL Stargate: Origins.
Heard Origins Episodes were short!
the stargate but in manual mode.
Agreed. Let's stick with this episode and the TV series canon. That miniseries should be stricken from the record....lol
they should be so lucky they didnt succeed back in those days... had they had the stargate fully operational sending out teams and then end up encountering the goa'uld, there be no way they could have adapted so quickly to using advanced technologies to defend against them, doubt they'd have come up with the Iris either.
I've seen russian fanfiction book that explored this, talking about several parallel universes where the gates were opened in different countries and times, like nazis and stalinist USSR, which usually ended badly.
@@ВиталийБуланенков "stalinist USSR"
Good luck to any alien launching an invasion of Earth through that gate.
@@QuantumShock1 Earth gets bombed from orbit. 'Nuff said
To be fair, people were just as smart back then as they are now, they just didn't have the advancements in history we do now.
The Goa'uld would also have been from 50 years ago. Power struggles, vacuums, and rifts among their ranks might've been rife. Who knows, maybe they were politically weaker. Given that they were turning the dial by hand whatever planets they visited first they would've had to study harder while they found a way to find more planets.
We might've been better off, they might've advanced technology in an entirely different way. One more derivative of technology they'd found, but they would study it harder and use it to advance civilization. It might've turned out ok.
Sure, there's a big chance they get stomped by the Goa'uld, but human innovation is timeless, they would've found methods to exploit the weakness in the Goa'uld regime because even back in the 50's, "culturally" speaking we were super advanced even then. It wasn't just tech and ingenuity that beat the Goa'uld, it was people. Half the people in the modern SG-1 don't understand half of what they do, but they make it work all the same.
But definitely a hazard, no doubt.
It was for the best. They got the gate to work, but like a kid, they weren't ready.
Heck, still weren't ready after the jump.
I remember that episode that when they dialed the same Chevrons and found the guy still alive living in the building on the edge of the cliff that was falling apart.
The Torment of Tantalus
What the f!!! did he eat?!
@@r1nc3w1nd7 plot snacks are very nutritious
@@nachoijp
Ok BUTT where the f!!! did he poop?
The planet had plantlife on it and he was by the ocean that most likely had life in it.
Would be interesting if they made a series set in this time in a alternative universe.
If you haven't yet, you should maybe try stargate: origins. It's only a Webseries but not too bad and adds a little to the lore.
There is a fanfiction story called the stargate initiative revised edition. It's set in this timeline where ernest littlefield had another bit of WWII tech with him when he entered the gate to heliopolis. Fanfiction dot net has the story but not sure if there is more of the story on another site.
@@ludido5734 let's not get too hasty... Origins was pretty stinky
In one of the alternative universe Ernest never went through the gate or if he did, he came back home.
Dr. Beckett is immortal...... 0:13
Fucking wow. I didn't notice that was him until your comment.
Nice catch bro.
You should edit your comment and timestamp it.
Dr Beckett is a highlander maybe cousins with Connor of the clan Mccloud
just another clone...
Oh look! The episode that makes the new web series SGO invalid.
Yeah there are several things in Stargate Origins which don't add up with things in SG-1.
...like SG-1 lined up fairly badly with the original movie.
True. There are major differences there as well. Such as the Goa'uld originally looking like Asgard rather than snakes.
True, though Stargate the movie was adapted for TV, it isn't an exact continuation of the film. I'm waiting for reuploaded episodes of Origins to see how they butcher things with that show too... :D
Yup, S01E10 Torment of Tantalus
I like how cinematic the documentary filming turned out, with perfect coverage and edits that almost seem impossible if its really a single guy with one camera witnessing an event in real time with no multiple takes....
It looked like the 1927 movie Metropolis.
Well, sometimes the story needs to get told. You can't get hung up on the minutia.
It was transferred from film. Likely what we see on the tape is a pan and scan of original footage that was one long static shot.
Reminds me of the film of the alien body disection years ago I saw on TV. It was a fake as I recall.
really need to hear the full rendition of that jazz stargate theme. sounds smooth af
That poor scientist in front of the gate surely got vaporized when it opened...
The Stargate makes a strange sound right before the kawoosh. Any such person, already nervous by the shaking, might have leapt away thinking it was about to explode.
@@BogeyTheBear I'd imagine there were some bumps and bruises of everyone scattering, especially ones flying off the ladders they were on.
@@samsonguy10k I bet they somehow managed to have Siler's father around just to get thrown of something
Love the music just as Ernest is getting ready to walk through the gate
Unmatched quality sci-fi. Simply the best.
Guess the security feature on the buffer doesn't work on ropes.
They could have run out of power, it doesn't look like they're using the state of the art superconductors they use at the SGC to power it.
Stargates can draw power from the gate on the other end.
The gate on the other end was also damaged, and its DHD was damage as well so no power regulation...
Actually they thought he was entering an Ocean.. They had no clue about Wormholes at the time. They called them White Holes until 1936. Which was changed to Einstein-Rosen bridges...Not sure when they started using the the term Wormholes..As they thought matter could not pass through them. They were wrong.. As a Wormhole contains 3 dimensional information. In a two dimensional form. On the walls.
We've seen people get cut in half by stargates before, that "feature" is flawed.
Greatest dial up in SG history. This was a cracking episode!
This is still to date one of my favourite episodes
One big reason is how it suddenly expands the whole Stargate universe, with both the revelation that the Stargates weren't created by the Goa'uld and there were four other races that were out there with secrets to reveal. One of them who has yet to reveal theirs, except maybe how their ancestors helped defeat a giant planet-killing space station.
This is exploration!
construction on the Cheyenne Mountain complex wasn't started until 1961, yet they were performing tests on the Stargate in it in 1945.
Could be in any other facility
And Carson Beckett was the first modern human to go through the gate.
This is a very sad episode because the man they met when they went there lost over fifty years of his life and can never get it back. That's a life wasted and lost. That's the saddest thing of life.
he got to spend it learning about alien societies... not the worst life.
@@DarthRushy Dude give me a break
@@nickmarsala3787 no
@@DarthRushy Well your logic is totally wrong
I'd go.
even if they had tried another dialing to bring him back, it wouldnt have worked.
Gate travel is one direction. You have to dial from the destination to return
I loved this scene
that sax tho.... lol
And there goes Jacks credit for being the first Earth human to cross through the stargate. Shame.
Not counting the thousands of slaves the Goa'uld took off-world, of course.
One of the most poignant episodes, a great callback to the movie, and from a SF high concept POV one of the most interesting stories. It evoked the mysteries of interstellar travel by gate, and started the process of learning the story of the ancients in a way that preserved all the obscurity, sense of limits to our knowledge, and developing sense of wonder at the scale of history and space that started to fade just a bit as it turned into a big war story.
Most of my favorite episodes were of the non-Goa'uld variety.
My main question is actually whether those manual dialer guys had enough time to step aside for the big kawoosh
I hope they will expand on this in Stargate Origins....
Even better if they bring back Paul McGillion as Dr. Littlefield
I shed a tear for you.
Won't happen. Instead we will have PC junk with nazies. Yeak(((
This made me laugh, but only out of misery.
Rip Stargate
oh boy
I miss this show so much
Wow, looking for it on TV, thanks edit later, always wonder why SG1 never photographed the wall writing of the new places to decode later ha ha
Stargate : 1945. Damn that would be awesome.
Awesome scene!
If I understand correctly the only gate that moved was the stationary gate on set in the "gate room" -- they do a great job of redressing that set. I never suspected it was a redress though it does make me wonder if walls near the gate could be more easily moved.
I know this is Season 1, and the rules weren't established, but if the cable was still connected to the diver's suit, thus keeping the matter stream profile within the Gate's memory banks, how did Ernest re-materialise before the 'Gate shut down?
Or... did the Heliopolis Gate spit Ernest out after the Earth Gate's power run out?
Also, why did the gate shut down while there was still material entering it?
@@SGtidbits 38 minute cut-off point, as is standard. Or maybe the 40s era tech didn't supply enough power.
@@SaiSivakumar Yeah, but in that episode it didn't at all seem that the gate was open for that long. Could have been though. Maybe they were surprised to see the open gate, they didn't yet know for certain what it was, they decided to send someone through, but it took a long time to put the old fashioned diving suit on.
@@SGtidbits well, he did have to get into the suit, which couldn't have been a short process
Thought it was that he went through not the cord entirely and thus it was cut off at 38 min. Plus it was the first gate usage with no DHD.
Everybody trying to figure out why the gate closed itself with cables still going through it. Did anyone consider the option that the power might have been alright, but they just had it open for 38 minutes? Since it was likely the first time they saw the gate open, it took time to record everything and set up Ernest... It's likely he made it to the other side just barely in time.
Yeah, but isn't there also that thing where they can hold a gate open by keeping an arm in the event horizon? That would seem to contradict, unless the gate only takes organic material into account.
@@SGtidbits I'm not sure anymore, but I don't think that works for the 38 minute limit. Can't remember any instance where such a trick was used.
@@SGtidbits I think the duration has at least some control by the sending gate. They can cut off power (or lose it) in most cases for an outgoing wormhole, such as when Jack held Kawalsky's head in the gate as it was manually shut down.. The black hole was the exception there, since so much power was absorbed by the other gate. But most of the "38 minute" episodes were related to an incoming gate, so they didn't have that control on this side.
@@SGtidbits isn't there a jaffa stick cut in half by the closing wormhole in the 1st episode ?
@@DominiqueComte Hmmm... I don't recall any staff weapons being cut off by the gate. But it could have happened.
And they never redialed when it closed. "Welp thats it boys. Pack it in" ....Littlefield was trapped because they didn't even try again.
Little trivia..the guy playing young Littlefield would become the doctor on Atlantis.
The gate is one-way travel only, so if they had dialled again, Littlefield might have tried to cross and be completely eradicated.
He would have needed to open the gate from the other side in order to return to Earth.
Well, it's easy to write off Littlefield as MIA when their budget likely didn't allow for a second dial. Powering up a gate isn't as simple as plugging into a 120v outlet, and the military wanted to play with their new atomic bomb technology more. I could see Catherine's dad raising a protest but when your research is controlled by the military's pursestrings, there's only so much you can do.
The episode is called 'The torment of Tantalus'.
And here I thought Stargate: Origin was going to be dull and boring. glad this exists because now there's a lot to work with.
The moment when you realise there is a spoon and a cake too.
I swear I saw all of season 1 but youtube keeps showing me season 1 clips that I don't remember at all
I love how the second ever person to go through the gate after it was found in 1928 was someone connected to the Langford family.
40 years later, there's no evidence of handles on the gate.
So? Doesn't mean there is a continuity issue. The handles were removed in favor of the computer controlled system, why would there be evidence of handles?
Not like they could actually drill through the ring to screw in the handles, so they probably fixed them in place with mastic or some other cement, which would have flaked away easily, or simply been cleaned up afterward.
They would never be able to recreate the power source for the gate. Your species is 200 of your years away from such abilitys.
They jump-started it with a truck, in "1969".
The one who plays as Beckett also has a role in the first StarTrek reboot. When the cadets are being assigned to a ship, he is the one that Kirk says to "You didn't call my name"
Daniel jackson: *just happens upon crucial information on the stargate*
O'niell: NERD!
Fun fact: the actor playing young Ernest, is none other than Paul McGillion.
Almost makes you wondered why they bothered using three supercomputers in the present to control it.
I wonder how many they lost just from the gated activation.
Well there are a lot of holes in this episode actually...1. They found out all the requirements to activate the gate, decades before computers and Jackson, 2. Why was the poor guy ready with a diver suit AND afterwards everyone was shocked by the closing connection?
I am going to point the diver suit as something they had laying around and grabbed it since the Stargate event horizon is basically a wall of water.
This is the moment when the Series collides with the Movie. If Daniel was the one who figured out the seventh symbol in the movie, then how did Catherine's boyfriend go through the gate in 1945?
That is an excellent point. I had never considered that.
Information got classified maybe? Daniel did point out, when they were trying to get the Russian DHD, that the us government has many different secret departments, and nobody talks to each other. It's like in my industry. Pontiac engineering withholding things from Chevy engineering. Everyone playing on the same side, yet opposing teams.
now what Jack meant to say was: Holy fuck
Ernest is one of my favorites: too bad they didn't have that many episodes with him
Question is what did that man eat for decades to still be alive?
So seeing as what we learned later in in Stargate Atlantis the guy should be dead, right (lost in the wormhole)?
Cause the gate waits until the object has entered the gate completely before it materialises it on the other side. But the wire to the suit hasn't gone through the hole so the transfer wasn't complete.
So either this episode or Atlantis lied to us in that regard (or the Pegasus gates work different than the milky way ones).
Bit late but Pegasus gates do indeed work slightly different, given that they are more modern. Then again this here was probably just forgotten
Just so you know, this was actually episode 9, not 10.
Star gate didn’t have enough power to sustain a worm hole
in the Stargate Universe that is impossible because the planet they went to is further than way than abydos closest to earth and it was not affected by planetary drift cording to Major Carter's equation
If it was on the other side of the milky way, with an orbit matching Sol, then it's conceivable that there could be minimal drift. Far more likely it's just conveniently ignored for the sake of plot
That's 50 years earlier. Maybe the guys working on the gate back then were smart enough to compensate for drift but their notes were lost to history? Who knows.
It's actually S1 E11
Good thing they didn't alert Gua'uld or anyone else in 1945 because they wouldn't have been able to adapt foir same reasons Jonas planet struggles
Although a spin-off were earth forces on the technological level of the second world war fight the Goa'uld would be cool.
@@Jorvard Short-lived. Remember in the Lost City 2-part episode Anubis's fleet made short work of the Nimitz task group from orbit. The Essex-class carriers wouldn't pose a threat.
I could see a group of humans making a hail-mary jump through the gate and doing what they could from other worlds to deal with the Goa'uld. War-weary vets and scientists who were way out of their league might just win over some Jaffa. I forget how old Te'alc was and if he had even been born yet, but I know Bra'tac would find WW2 vets as kindred souls.
The three-zats-disintegrate thing seemed so funny back in the day but was it really? Honestly, not necessarily. Although I doubt that it would have disintegrated anything. Rather it shifted matter out of phase. That's just what I think. Star Trek phasers on the other hand...
Yeah, that was why they stopped using the 1 2 3 thing with Zats. They still used them to kill but the disintergrate bit was dumb.
The weapon operates on electrocuting the target. How would being electrocuted make you shift out of phase? The accumulated charge causing the bonds between your molecules to break down is at least slightly more plausible.
Apparently none of the actors liked them either, some even calling them penises... XD
They even made fun of this “feature” in Wormhole X-treme!
So they just sent a guy through the gate lost him and never told anyone?
I wanna know who that officer was that they showed looking at the active gate was at 1:49. That would have made for an interesting side-note. His notes might not have explained why they ended it.
'Doorway to Heaven' experiments, day 327, addressing my CO's concern that the Doorway, once opened, might expose a hostile and technologically superior entity or population thereof. I have forwarded a request through channels to the Manhattan Project for a working prototype of their device to be delivered to us, that we may send through the Doorway so that said hostile aliens may be blown to kingdom come rather than allow them to come visit Earth via the Doorway. Unfortunately, so far, our request has not yet been granted. The goofy scientists here don't seem to share our concerns. Instead of ordinance, they are preparing to send a lab tech in a deep sea diving suit into the Doorway. Eggheads. I mean really. It's like not one of them even listened to that news report on the radio not so long ago. The hostile aliens are there, and everyone knows they mean us harm. Hopefully they won't be unduly provoked by having a Junior scientist appear on their doorstep. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Puts on Pakled nerd mode:..."Ooohhhh yes uh, you have made an error...yes. this is episode..eweven...thats 1 1...yes..a mistake yes.."
I don't see a cow. Holy or unholy. Must've gone through the gate before Ernest. 😛
Cof f coff Daniel Jackson's equation
while you can explain the gate closing despite something being in the wormhole (the air pipe) as a power failure/shortage or the time limit, why would they have a diving outfit nearby in the first place?
Obviously they'd gotten it turned on before, long enough to see what the event horizon resembled. And they figured breathing equipment would be helpful.
I think this is Episode 11 not 10, named The Torment of Tantalus
Thanks, been looking to see which ep it is
Did anyone else see the lore break in this.
Earnst was linked to this side by the cables right, the gate shut down cut them.
BUT in SGU, Eli has to stick his arm into the event horizon to keep the gate open longer than the 33 minute limit.
Someone stuffed up.....
Actually, the explnation is simple: Power.
It's very unlikely that they could sustain the power required to keep the wormhole open for long and so the gate shut down due to power failure.
The destiny gates didn't have that restriction, nor any gate with a working power source on both ends for that matter.
Pretty much, even safeties don't run when you pull the cord. For that matter, I think it has been said that the gate's software (including safeties) is in the DHD which they didn't have. They were pretty much just running the most basic function here.
With SGU, Eli stick his arm into the event horizon to stall the destiny clock. However that Stargate was connected to a DHD system (although the oldest known of the network) it probably had safety features built into it to prevent the connection being cut while matter is still present within the event horizon. With the stargate's known time limit for every gate which is a 38 minute window. I doubt the arm trick would work, since I believe the 38 minute window is there for power related reasons.
If the gate wich ELi stuck his arm into reached the 38 min threshold. We'd have an amputated Eli. The arm trick was not to prevent the gate shutting down after 38 minutes. It was for the gate to refuse the automatic shut down command from destiny.
Yes, the Earth I believe has a center of cause and effect.
And it's not human.
Thanks
You're welcome
I don't think this is episode 10 of season 1... I'm watching Thor's Hammer and it is clearly not it, though is an interesting episode which I forgot about Torment of Tantalus is episode 11, I just wanted to see if the 1945 footage lines up with other time travel in SG1 like is SG1 dialing the gate manually? Seems like a thing my brain feels happened but my memory is fuzzy
I didn't see any cows, holy or not.
What it's like when I'm "manually" booking a holiday by saving up with my weekly spending money rather than taking money from my ISA to book my holidays....
I doubt he'd use the word "cow" in real life.
Well he is an Air force officer and I sure swearing in the presence of a senior officer is frowned upon so maybe he has trained him himself not to swear.
Yeah I'm with Danny down there, Military Men are trained with discipline and good behavior, ostensibly so they can best represent their branch & country in their daily service.
@@michaelheath2866 well yes but he's sworn before such as when Klorel (is that how you spell it), Skara's snake tells him that nothing of the host survives, he angrily responds "That is bullshit". or when they travel back in time (Season 8 finale, moebius pt. 1) and they get ambushed and he's about to swear but gets cut of by the grenade ("Oh, fu-"). or even when him and Woollsey get captured by replicators in Atlantis and McKay explains the plan he responds by saying "Sounds more like a plan F, for we are totally [fucked]".
This might just be him letting loose once in a while, but i thought id take the other side of the argument just for the sake of it.
@@michaelheath2866 When I was in the Marine Corps we swore all the time
I believe he would use a term more commonly used to invite someone to engage them in reproductive copulation.
Incidental music was *so* overdone in the first season
Though, it seemed to fit well for this episode. Especially because of its significance.
I'm sorry Daniel. I like watching these old videos while knowing some of the history and wondering about the rest. But how did the 1945 team activate the gate if they didn't know about the point of origin?
Did they found that traveller in the end?
Yep.
The best part was when they found the traveler. You don't think a diving suit would last for 45 years, do you?
This is inconsistent with the "stellar drift " explanation.
iirc some planets were locked in place (like Abydos) so the addresses never didn't change. It's also possible that they got lucky with a combination.
@@NovaFinch but wasn't it the earth itself that drifted
I don't remember the episode...
You mean the address they used wasn't random but from that wall, or that SG-1 used same address?
The former is actually stupid and you are right.
While with the later you don't get that much drift over 60 years or so (instead of 5000 years since when Ra was using it.)
The address was a close match to Abydos, and Abydos was accessible via an untuned Gate because of the relatively close proximities of the two systems. Hence, Ernest's Planet would have been just as close.
I mean, that's what was stated outright in the episode.
it would have stayed open with the air hose
Not after 38 minutes.
@@SGtidbits your right... but didnt work in the old film
Yeah.
Want episode is this please
The Torment of Tantalus
So why didn't he die? The wire was through the gate and still attached to him, so he should have been disintegrated.
Yup, I was thinking this as well. Though I am not sure if this had been established yet. I do know that in the first season of Stargate Atlantis they made it a point that this couldn't work but I am not 100% sure if that is also true in SG1. Obviously it is the same universe so they follow the same rules, but it might been added as a "gatetravel rule" later on hence the inconsistancy.
@@edkroketje1 Honestly, it might be a safety measure, it's just that containers have to keep their contents... idk.
Which episode is this?
This is the season 1 episode "The Torment of Tantalus".
@@SGtidbits s01e10 thanks
Season epsode ple
Read description please.
What episode?
Which episode of stargate is this ??
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Could someone tell me what episode is this?
Also I remember an episode where the people of a planet had the Stargate in the park of a museum and then the team came through the Stargate.
Some people wear the gate as necklace
This is season 1 episode 10, "The Torment of Tantalus".
www.imdb.com/title/tt0709205/
As to the other episode you mentioned, I know what you mean, but unfortunately I'm unable to figure out which one that is with the current amount of information. Perhaps if you could say more about it I could find out.
The other episode you're thinking of is Season 8, Episode 5 "Icon".
If people only knew how REAL this show is
Hi def
Music 2:00 please ?
I don't think it was ever actually released.
What episode is this from
Torment of Tantalus, season... 1, I think?
ah yes thanks
it is indeed
I am not buying the 38 minute limited the comments section here tries to sell. You are telling me they managed to turn it on and have Ernest walk in exactly at 37 minutes and 55 seconds? Because it is edited?
Powercutoff or another crash in the makeshift system, anything is better than that
It's Season 1 Episode 11. I hate those kind of typos
I agree that it's episode 11, because "Children of the Gods" should be counted as two episodes in order to eventually get the season 10 episode "200" as the 200th episode, but if I put in the description that this is episode 11, I get comments from people telling me that it's episode 10. There is just no winning with this one.
Its episode 11 not 10
Don't say "holy cow." It's a form of worship to satan, who has the face of an ox. He was a covering cherub, before he sinned. Cherubs have either a face of an eagle, lion, ox, or a man, with man's hands, wings, and hoof like feet. Cherubims have 4 faces eagle on one side, ox on one side, lion on one side, and face like a man on the other side. This is were the facination of cow worship originated from. See baal, molech, baphomet, etc = satan worship
The more you know.
Let us give the One True Living God, Yah, all the honor, and glory, and only He is called holy.
Piss off.
Just another false god who needs humans to worship him and stroke his ego, more than people need him.
What episode is this?
Season 1 episode 10 - The Torment of Tantalus
www.imdb.com/title/tt0709205/?ref_=ttep_ep10
Indeed
What episode is this from?
Season 1 episode 10 - Torment of Tantalus
www.imdb.com/title/tt0709205/
Title:Thor's Hammer