Last time she had to use that was 80 years ago. So when she defeated the demon lord. All the small details and world building in this anime is so good.
But thinking twice about it. The attack that Frieren was forced to use here was something that leaves her open and defenseless. Just makes you wonder how the fight with the DK went. Frieren, completely defenseless in the battle, trusting her friends Himmel, Heiter and Eisen with her life, using this attack that can't be detected as an attack because it doesn't even manifest any mana..
@@benhicks9481 one example is Heiter.. Even though we haven't seen how OP he was in the end. He already had half of Frieren's mana as he says Frieren's 1/10 mana is 1/5 of his right at the beginning when they go to ask her to join her party
Frieren clone looking at Fern and thinking "Playtime is over, little girl". Threat assessment updated. Combatant Fern identified as primary threat. Commencing neutralization.
I suspect the mind magics of these high level mages might seem something like that. Frieren and Fern are both known for their neutral expressions in battle.The expression looks epic, but I take it as their real awareness is buried somewhere inside a fortified magical mental bunker akin to Harry Potter fan fictions versions of Occlumancy. A planning hub with quite possibly slowed down time perception and the expressed ability to handle multiple threads of imagination controlled spells at once. We see this sort of parallel division of labor with Sense's magical control of individual hair strands, so its not just Frieren.
@@jasonp.1195 That would make sense. Other viewers also pointed out that it probably takes a lot of your mental bandwidth to keep your mana suppressed, manage fluctuations, be aware of ambient mana levels, nearby magically active items or events and search for both enemy mana and spells while keeping shield spells on the ready for various scenarios in a hectic, 3D environment. Experienced combat mages are basically constantly evaluating their environment on a level regular people might not be able to match.
It was just cloth (plus flesh and bone) to her. Trees were being cut down left and right when she fought Wirbel, because they're just wood. Wood can be cut.
That final attack from Clone Frieren is terrifying. It's been established that normal magic is the translation of thought. But this attack was PURE thought, without going through mana. So it's instant, undetectable, and irresistible. As Fern said "the height of magic". Frieren said she hasn't used it in 80 years, which means that's probably the attack that she used to kill the Demon King. Fern was lucky to survive.
No, I think her attack is not a spell, but actually a Curse, specialty of demons, because the show tells us mages can't detect curses very well. In this scenario it's hinted by Fern's comment that she doesn't recognize that attack as a spell. And also why she thinks it's not like Frieren. A demonslaying mage using demon magic (curses). Although Frieren explains then she only uses that as a last resort, last time being 80 years ago against the Demon Lord.
I like how the mere mortals are running around flinging dirt and lasers at each other while Frieren is casually summoning black holes and alternate realities.
Ehre is considered a very talented and dangerous mage, but when you compare them it’s insane the power gap. Ehre can fly and throw a lot of boulders Frieren pulled out the pocket dimension and a black hole, shattered a layer of reality, burned solid stone to ash, and then casually revealed that she knows magic quite literally beyond the comprehension of normal mages and then went and got stuck in 3 mimics in a row. Truly out of their league
Dungeons in most fantasies are completely self maintaining, self repairing constructs that use mana from the environment or a "dungeon core" to do so.. For example, who's lighting all those candles and clearing dead bodies of the first exploration parties who all died in that same room which everyone was in?
Awesome watching the magic in the Frieren battle. All the "fancy" magic we've seen done by everyone else just paled in comparison. How Frieren replica could still be alive must be some incredible magic.
When I saw it, all I could think of was the Infinity Gauntlet comics, where Thanos and the various godlike beings of the Marvel Universe are fighting each other by basically weaponizing the laws of reality.
The golem was Breakdancing in one of the previous episodes. And was smaller. "This isn't like you" - Frieren said the same thing to Flamme, when she was going to teach her the flower spell. Like it's not "like you" for a battle mage to know peaceful magic. And now its reverse - peaceful mage to know such destructive magic
But Fern's "This isn't like you" was not about Frieren knowing destructive magic. It was about her leaving herself completely open and defenseless which is something that she's never done in all of Fern's time with her.
I really like how allowing a mage's imagination to influence their effectiveness gets around the issue of power scaling with "more mana = strongest mage always"
Soo true. I love how the show subverts power scaling. The magic system is not too detailed but just rich enough to explain the different things that happen in the show.
@@aidaid3962 Not sure. We get told specifically that Aura, Frieren and Fern trained to get their base mana up, but not how they do it. I don't think you could imagine a larger mana pool, but maybe you could imagine a more efficient version of a spell that uses less mana, thus artificially extending your mana supply?
Solo being the operative word. The reason they can kill the Frieren clone as a pair is because the clone is locked in attritional battle with Frieren. It can’t afford the time to swat fern like the world’s sneakiest purple mosquito because as we see, the moment she does, the real Frieren gets her
The 1-2 seconds Lawine and Richter took to relax and recover after killing. They stood side by side and didn't watch each other's backs. That's exactly what Sense warned them about. The clones aren't an issue if you watch each other's backs.
the visuals are just stunning in this show, Frieren just casually re-creating a miniature Big Bang while shattering the fabric of reality was insane. As expected 99.999% of human mages would die in less than 5 seconds should they face a serious Frieren, probably the only exceptions being Flamme and Lernen (as far as we know). Serie did tell her to not neglect her training, and she probably didn't, at least mana-wise, not all her stuff is geared towards combat, but when she fights for real it's really scary, as she said in the previous ep, no one knows better myself how scary i can be. Not many characters can manage those lines without sounding cringe, but Frieren can cause she's not showboating.
I think it works best for her because it’s been established that her whole life goal has been suppressing her strength, so it’s not just her being badass, it’s feeding back into her personal plot in a way that the trope usually isint
No one comments on Frieren revealing that that mental attack at the end of the fight hadn't been used in 80 years. I assume that the last threat bad enough to need that kind of thing was the Demon King themself.
Frieren knew fern wouldn't be the killing blow, because like she said only she knows how truly terrifying she can be. I really think she there is another layer to her deceit, I don't think she even wants to let her allies know the true power she possess.
You have to imagine everyone else walking through the final room on their way to the treasure room, surveying the damage from that battle, and being like "what the actual hell happened in here?" Through the whole Frieren fight, I kept thinking back to when Frieren said that just Zoltraak is sufficient to defeat mages of this era. There's obviously a reason she specifically limited her statement to "this era".
It also makes you think about the other important focus of the episode - magic is a world of visual imagination. What the fuck kind of shit is Frieren imagining during that battle?!
my interpretation is that in this world magic uses mana to cause a phenomena, but in that moment she uses mana to rewrite the phenomena in itsels (pushing Fern with magic vs changing gravity in itself to push her away)
@@filipeoliveiraladislau4533yeah! This was my guess too.. She uses magic to rewrite the space and physics in the localized area to get Fern to smash into that wall with like 10x gravity or something
No, I think her attack is not a spell, but actually a Curse, specialty of demons, because the show tells us mages can't detect curses very well. In this scenario it's hinted by Fern's comment that she doesn't recognize that attack as a spell. And also why she thinks it's not like Frieren. A demonslaying mage using demon magic (curses). Although Frieren explains then she only uses that as a last resort, last time being 80 years ago against the Demon Lord.
The assumption I find myself most drawn to here is that she could be manipulating Fern’s mana - throwing Fern’s mana, and Fern with it, against the wall. It’s really hard to say, though.
I'm looking forward to seeing your reaction to the next episodes. This anime is just pure gold from start to end, there is not a single moment where you feel something is out of place, it's just like everything flows naturally.
Ubel's philosophy when it comes to magic is exactly why "with magic, you can accomplish anything you believe/can conceptualize" is such a terrifying magic system. I don't see it often, but recognizing the more horror side of that system sends chills down my spine every time.
Frieren had been killing demons since under Flamme's tutelage. Zoltraak is only around 80-100 years old. So, she musta been using some other, perhaps ultra level spells to kill demons with. She only started using Zoltraak because it was powerful, efficient, and a snub to demons to use their own spell against them.
Well, I think what Doppel-Frieren did was "telekinesis" (similar to the D&D spell), but instead of using mana, it uses mental power (however that's just a hypothesis)
Practically, when Übel fights Burg, she doesn't see what's he's doing to his Immovable Cloak, she simply sees him as a piece of cloth. And her Reelseiden is the scissor. Like in the rules of Rock-Paper-Scissor, her 'Scissor' defeats his 'Paper', or in this case, his Immovable Cloak. Literally just imagining him as a piece of cloth 😂
When Frieren said that basic attack spells are more than enough to defeat current era Mages she wasn't kidding, everything else in her arsenal is Overkill! If all mages have entered the chamber maybe only Denken, Fern and Methode could have survived.
@@pierluigidipietro8097 thought so... Series is a whole different level... also.. i know this isnt true... but Serie could also be the godess,,, who knows... all we know is that her restrained mana output is that of Freierens releaesd output... like i sayed... scary
the only way to know how powerful frieren is to have frieren vs frieren. Just to show how brutal those 10 years of journey and the final fight with the demon king when frieren needed all this cool spells to defeat him. and not even flamme or serie could defeat the demon king
Serie can definitely fight the demon king... I forgot what episode but it was explained why serie choose not to fight the demon king ... a battle mage dont want peaceful era
I think there is something odd about the Demon King and Serie. In the last ep, Flamme told Serie that she could not defeat the DK because she could not imagine a peaceful era. Serie is considerably more powerful than Frieren so I think there may be something about the nature of the DK that made Serie either unable to defeat him or unable to defeat him permanently that is based in her personal nature. Maybe by being unable to imagine a peaceful era she empowers him? I don't know but I hope this is explained at some point. As a side note, there is something connecting the death of Himmel and the re-emergence of the demon menace. We have had several indications - most notably Aura's return -that Himmel's death somehow led to the resurgence of demon power in the world. I wonder if his defeat of the DK and the shattering of demon power were connected by imagination and, therefore, so long as Himmel was alive, their power was drastically reduced? I don't know but, again, I hope this is touched on later.
@@ShnNar1000xig what flamme said about serie was not really about her not being able to kill DK. As far as we know serie>DK by a small margin in terms of abilities since she knew all spells. Serie is a war elf so peaceful era was never in her mind so she cannot visualize it which is the main theme about magic in this series. I bet even if we swap serie with frieren the hero party will be dead and DK will still be alive.
@@ShnNar1000xi think the demons were just scared shitless of himmel so they waited until he was dead before doing stuff again. The demons probably dont really understand that himmel wasnt as powerful in age anymore or just didnt wanna risk it.
In the second season will be revealed that an existential threat to humans is brewing, enacted by a major demon. Maybe it will be tackled in a third season.
1:42 Yeah, this is one of the few big screw-ups by the director, I think. Literally everyone I've seen watch this thinks the fight ended at the end of the last episode and is confused when it continues in this one. They should have at least shown the duplicate surviving the attack or have Fern and Frieren comment on it.
Nah, it wasn't a screw up at all. The whole point is to make you think Fern killed her. They built it up, making you think Fern could do it. Yes, at first, people were like "huh?" But almost every reaction channel figured out within 30 seconds this fight was a continuation. The point was to give false hope, and then the very next episode it shows you that you have been fooled. Unfortunately they these two thought the last shot fired from Fern was the same shot she fired from the last episode because she was in the air. But last episode all three were in the air when she fired and this episode only Fern was. Of course everyone thought the fight ended last episode. That is what they intended. And while it's a tad "confusing" at first it was very easy to see the fight was a continuation
Yeah, now that I'm looking at the manga, it is indeed a continuity error in the adaptation. In the manga, one chapter ends with that short from Fern, and then the following chapter picks up with a different POV on the same shot, after which she makes that comment about the replica blocking it. But in the anime, we now have that additional anime original sequence with the black hole in between the first and 2nd times showing Fern's attack, which therefore implies that it's two separate attacks instead of 2 POVs on the same attack. I guess it's technically valid for her to say that after her 2nd shot, but it doesn't make as much narrative sense. Alternatively, you could interpret that sequence as being a flashback to before Fern's first attack, but that also doesn't make sense narratively. So I agree, the manga is definitely clearer here.
@@zzenkaii"it blocked it" "We expected this much" "From here on out its a battle of attrition" I don't even think that's being sneaky lol it was confirming right then and there that the battle was a continuation.
@@JewJitSuSixty9 Well yes, but you should include the block for the dramatic attack that deceptively leads you to think the fight is over. The manga has it, the show has been super faithful in recreating most of the shots from the manga including ending with the Zoltraak from the previous episode which was at a chapter end; there's no reason to cut the replica blocking the shot that would literally take 2 seconds to show. I wouldn't call it a continuity error, but it's confusing for no reason. It's reasonable for your average viewer to take a few seconds to figure out what's going on which detracts from the visual spectacle that they're setting up with the replica Frieren's attack.
This will be a long post but here we go. Ubel's visualization is not exactly a talent as much as it is a mental disorder really. Consider this, when you see cloth for the first time you see it as simple fabric. Whether that cloth is thick or thin, it is still cloth and you assume it can be cut right? Now, imagine that that cloth is reinforced with carbon fibers or even thin metal rings. What would happen then? You identify the reinforcement and you know intellectually that this isn't just a simple piece of cloth anymore. It isn't something that can be cut with a pair of scissors and you will search for another way to bypass the new armor. That is the logical thing to do, that is what been able to identify a difference in a previous concept leads to. No matter the imagination you might have, there is no way a person would gaslight themselves into believing that a pair of scissors would be able to cut reinforced steel. That is what bewildered Sense. Ubel is doing exactly that. She knew that the cloak in front of her was tank level armor, she knew that anything she threw at it would do nothing to it, yet, she actually believed that what she saw in front of her was not reality and that it was a simple piece of fabric! I mean who does that? Even idiots that do the same attack again and again against a fortified position believe that the attack will eventually work because the previous attacks did some damage, not because they actually believe that the new attack will actually work on its own. Ubel literary has programmed in her soul a belief that if something is cloth or hair as a general concept, then that something can be cut period! It's not something that can be taught, its not that I will convince myself that I can do something. She actually perceives this as reality no matter that it objectively is not. And she actually knows it is not in an intellectual level. That is why Sense is horrified and calls her crazy and her ability a superpower. Because it is actually something that IS crazy and Ubel IS crazy. She isn't a real genius in the orthodox way of thinking. She is an anomaly. And that is where the limitation of her power comes from. She can cut anything she has identified as something that can be cut since she was a child. Meaning cloth, hair, flesh etc. She can't cut cleanly stone, steel or wood or anything else like that. Her attacks might do some damage, but those attacks would do as much damage as the force behind the attack, it will not bypass it completely like it would do to cloth or hair. But defensive spells such as the one used in the series is another thing entirely. The defensive spell used is a mana construct that its entire purpose is to block completely mana based attacks such as her signature spell. She learned this to be the truth when she first learned the spell and grew with that concept as an absolute truth and reality. She never had any other influence about this, so she can't convince herself that her attacks can actually bypass this defense which is why Wirbel defeated her. Her attacks were blocked and he is overall a better fighter with far more experience and talent like she herself admitted. As for Fern, while she is an impressive mage and will certainly grow even stronger with time and experience, she in not ready to face Frieren alone anytime soon. The episode cemented the fact that Fern could not face Frieren, she acted as an assassin the entire battle, waiting for the perfect opening in order to exploit it. The clone was focused on Frieren for the entire battle, and we were told in the episode by Frieren herself that some of the openings she created for Fern to exploit, Fern was not able to recognize and use, meaning that Fern is still lacking both in experience, skill and sheer strength. While she does have the potential to grow enough for her to defeat Frieren in the end, that is still many years down the road if it is even possible. In her current state, I would place her under Denken, Wirbel and Methode since I believe all three of them could win against her in a one on one battle. Denken because of his experience and knowledge. Wirbel because of his battle experience, versatility and his signature spell Sorganeil. Fern is a long range mage and does not know a lot about his magic, so it would be easy for him to place her in a position that he can see her whole body and trap her. And finally Methode is extremely versatile and has restrain magic that we were shown to be extremely effective against Fern, and it is implied in the episode that she defeated Fern's clone in a one on one battle already.
When someone says "Don't think of a pink elephant, " Ubel actually doesn't.
You all think too hard, pink elephants are for cutting.
Brilliant comment lmao
My trick for that is to just imagine a big text box bold as hell that says "okay". Black text on white background. Works every time
When Ubel meets Buddha on the road, she cuts him down!
"This magic can't stop me because I can't read!"
That clone's death stare gave me chills when I first saw it.
Yeah, when that episode aired and I saw that face, it was so cold lol
It awakened something in me
You now know why Himmel was after her XD
But damn that look was sooooo cold and goosebumps inducing !!
Also, all the other times I saw it.
Thank you for noticing the two dead mimics, it's such a subtle part of the joke but makes it that much funnier.
"Trust me Fern, there wouldn't be TWO mimics in the same treasure pile."
"Oh common Fern, what are the chances of THREE mimics?"
@@zenmastermtl”99% of mages stop before they get the sick grimoire.”
Last time she had to use that was 80 years ago. So when she defeated the demon lord.
All the small details and world building in this anime is so good.
But thinking twice about it. The attack that Frieren was forced to use here was something that leaves her open and defenseless.
Just makes you wonder how the fight with the DK went. Frieren, completely defenseless in the battle, trusting her friends Himmel, Heiter and Eisen with her life, using this attack that can't be detected as an attack because it doesn't even manifest any mana..
@@feral_fenrir equally makes you realise how strong Himmel, Heiter and Eisen mustve been at their peak.
@@benhicks9481 yupp. Each and every one of the four were equally OP and cracked by the end of their journey imo
@@benhicks9481 one example is Heiter.. Even though we haven't seen how OP he was in the end. He already had half of Frieren's mana as he says Frieren's 1/10 mana is 1/5 of his right at the beginning when they go to ask her to join her party
Frieren clone looking at Fern and thinking "Playtime is over, little girl".
Threat assessment updated. Combatant Fern identified as primary threat. Commencing neutralization.
YOU THAT LEGIT SOUNDED LIKE TERMINATOR!!
I suspect the mind magics of these high level mages might seem something like that. Frieren and Fern are both known for their neutral expressions in battle.The expression looks epic, but I take it as their real awareness is buried somewhere inside a fortified magical mental bunker akin to Harry Potter fan fictions versions of Occlumancy. A planning hub with quite possibly slowed down time perception and the expressed ability to handle multiple threads of imagination controlled spells at once. We see this sort of parallel division of labor with Sense's magical control of individual hair strands, so its not just Frieren.
@@jasonp.1195 That would make sense. Other viewers also pointed out that it probably takes a lot of your mental bandwidth to keep your mana suppressed, manage fluctuations, be aware of ambient mana levels, nearby magically active items or events and search for both enemy mana and spells while keeping shield spells on the ready for various scenarios in a hectic, 3D environment.
Experienced combat mages are basically constantly evaluating their environment on a level regular people might not be able to match.
Übel really just cut the strongest defense mage in half and went "teehee my bad~".
It was just cloth (plus flesh and bone) to her. Trees were being cut down left and right when she fought Wirbel, because they're just wood. Wood can be cut.
Stone can't be cut, but air can be cut even you don't see it, defense magic is classified as mana and air
The stone only got gash
That final attack from Clone Frieren is terrifying. It's been established that normal magic is the translation of thought. But this attack was PURE thought, without going through mana. So it's instant, undetectable, and irresistible. As Fern said "the height of magic". Frieren said she hasn't used it in 80 years, which means that's probably the attack that she used to kill the Demon King. Fern was lucky to survive.
The mini black hole she created at the beginning of the episode was already pretty scary.
And the reality splitting/alternative reality magic was pretty scary too
Even more frightening is that, if the replica can do it, then Frieren must be able to do it, as well.
Technically speaking, that was a psyonic/telekinetic attack
No, I think her attack is not a spell, but actually a Curse, specialty of demons, because the show tells us mages can't detect curses very well. In this scenario it's hinted by Fern's comment that she doesn't recognize that attack as a spell. And also why she thinks it's not like Frieren. A demonslaying mage using demon magic (curses). Although Frieren explains then she only uses that as a last resort, last time being 80 years ago against the Demon Lord.
Clone-Frieren's next-level attack on Fern makes me think back to Fern mentioning when Frieren said that basic attack magic was enough for this era.
I like how the mere mortals are running around flinging dirt and lasers at each other while Frieren is casually summoning black holes and alternate realities.
Ehre is considered a very talented and dangerous mage, but when you compare them it’s insane the power gap. Ehre can fly and throw a lot of boulders
Frieren pulled out the pocket dimension and a black hole, shattered a layer of reality, burned solid stone to ash, and then casually revealed that she knows magic quite literally beyond the comprehension of normal mages and then went and got stuck in 3 mimics in a row. Truly out of their league
@@98765zach And all that just for a battle of attrition. There is a joke here somewhere about a woman's glare being scarier than a black hole.
Props to the architects if 2 frieren can battle there :D
Dungeons in most fantasies are completely self maintaining, self repairing constructs that use mana from the environment or a "dungeon core" to do so.. For example, who's lighting all those candles and clearing dead bodies of the first exploration parties who all died in that same room which everyone was in?
@@feral_fenrir to much dungeon meshi? :D
@@fjoergyn that and so many other Isekai/Fantasy anime have somewhat of a similar concept with some variations.
Awesome watching the magic in the Frieren battle. All the "fancy" magic we've seen done by everyone else just paled in comparison. How Frieren replica could still be alive must be some incredible magic.
They're all so proud of it too, their fancy magic that lets them move around dirt and water. Meanwhile Frieren is summoning black holes.
Even Denken's any remaining self confidence would have been shattered if the others were present in that room.
Frieren vs Frieren casually reprogramming reality
Power Word: Abstract Art
Galaxy swarm
When I saw it, all I could think of was the Infinity Gauntlet comics, where Thanos and the various godlike beings of the Marvel Universe are fighting each other by basically weaponizing the laws of reality.
The golem was Breakdancing in one of the previous episodes. And was smaller.
"This isn't like you" - Frieren said the same thing to Flamme, when she was going to teach her the flower spell. Like it's not "like you" for a battle mage to know peaceful magic. And now its reverse - peaceful mage to know such destructive magic
But Fern's "This isn't like you" was not about Frieren knowing destructive magic. It was about her leaving herself completely open and defenseless which is something that she's never done in all of Fern's time with her.
That too. The writing has many layers.
I really like how allowing a mage's imagination to influence their effectiveness gets around the issue of power scaling with "more mana = strongest mage always"
Soo true. I love how the show subverts power scaling. The magic system is not too detailed but just rich enough to explain the different things that happen in the show.
Do you think mana capacity is also influenced by imagination or maybe focus?
@@aidaid3962 Not sure. We get told specifically that Aura, Frieren and Fern trained to get their base mana up, but not how they do it. I don't think you could imagine a larger mana pool, but maybe you could imagine a more efficient version of a spell that uses less mana, thus artificially extending your mana supply?
Frieren hasn't ever looked better, prettier and sexy than that moment with the replica hair down with a death stare.....
Got to add the dub va, at least for me, hehe
This is what Sein was looking for lol
I like how they built it up like Fern could kill Frieren but in reality as we just saw Frieren would kill Fern in 45 seconds if they actually fought.
45 seconds? Nah. Other folks got 15 secs with Sense. Even though it's Fern, against Frieren I don't think she'll get 45 seconds solo.
Solo being the operative word. The reason they can kill the Frieren clone as a pair is because the clone is locked in attritional battle with Frieren. It can’t afford the time to swat fern like the world’s sneakiest purple mosquito because as we see, the moment she does, the real Frieren gets her
@@98765zach I used a lot of words to say "swat". Perfect one word to describe what I wanted to say.
I can't tell what was more threatening to Sense, if Übel pointing a pair of scissors directly to her chest or she telling her she has pretty hair.
The 1-2 seconds Lawine and Richter took to relax and recover after killing. They stood side by side and didn't watch each other's backs.
That's exactly what Sense warned them about. The clones aren't an issue if you watch each other's backs.
Normal people: nah, aint no way my scissors can cut a chainmail
Übel: looks like a cloth, thus my scissors should cut it.
And actually cuts it.
the visuals are just stunning in this show, Frieren just casually re-creating a miniature Big Bang while shattering the fabric of reality was insane.
As expected 99.999% of human mages would die in less than 5 seconds should they face a serious Frieren, probably the only exceptions being Flamme and Lernen (as far as we know). Serie did tell her to not neglect her training, and she probably didn't, at least mana-wise, not all her stuff is geared towards combat, but when she fights for real it's really scary, as she said in the previous ep, no one knows better myself how scary i can be. Not many characters can manage those lines without sounding cringe, but Frieren can cause she's not showboating.
I think it works best for her because it’s been established that her whole life goal has been suppressing her strength, so it’s not just her being badass, it’s feeding back into her personal plot in a way that the trope usually isint
No one comments on Frieren revealing that that mental attack at the end of the fight hadn't been used in 80 years. I assume that the last threat bad enough to need that kind of thing was the Demon King themself.
Frieren knew fern wouldn't be the killing blow, because like she said only she knows how truly terrifying she can be. I really think she there is another layer to her deceit, I don't think she even wants to let her allies know the true power she possess.
getting to see frieren's true power is always a treat
Fern's clone can conceal its mana and fire instant death beams. It would be a horror show fighting that especially in a dungeon.
You have to imagine everyone else walking through the final room on their way to the treasure room, surveying the damage from that battle, and being like "what the actual hell happened in here?" Through the whole Frieren fight, I kept thinking back to when Frieren said that just Zoltraak is sufficient to defeat mages of this era. There's obviously a reason she specifically limited her statement to "this era".
It also makes you think about the other important focus of the episode - magic is a world of visual imagination.
What the fuck kind of shit is Frieren imagining during that battle?!
@@feral_fenrir Black holes and Big Bang it seems
I love Wirbel party so much 😆
Übel is insane - and I love it.
I think what Frieren do is to imagine an attack without using mana. This is the height of magic - casting spells withous using mana.
my interpretation is that in this world magic uses mana to cause a phenomena, but in that moment she uses mana to rewrite the phenomena in itsels (pushing Fern with magic vs changing gravity in itself to push her away)
@@filipeoliveiraladislau4533yeah! This was my guess too.. She uses magic to rewrite the space and physics in the localized area to get Fern to smash into that wall with like 10x gravity or something
No, I think her attack is not a spell, but actually a Curse, specialty of demons, because the show tells us mages can't detect curses very well. In this scenario it's hinted by Fern's comment that she doesn't recognize that attack as a spell. And also why she thinks it's not like Frieren. A demonslaying mage using demon magic (curses). Although Frieren explains then she only uses that as a last resort, last time being 80 years ago against the Demon Lord.
The assumption I find myself most drawn to here is that she could be manipulating Fern’s mana - throwing Fern’s mana, and Fern with it, against the wall. It’s really hard to say, though.
I'm looking forward to seeing your reaction to the next episodes. This anime is just pure gold from start to end, there is not a single moment where you feel something is out of place, it's just like everything flows naturally.
Thank you for sharing 😊
Ubel's philosophy when it comes to magic is exactly why "with magic, you can accomplish anything you believe/can conceptualize" is such a terrifying magic system. I don't see it often, but recognizing the more horror side of that system sends chills down my spine every time.
Frieren had been killing demons since under Flamme's tutelage. Zoltraak is only around 80-100 years old. So, she musta been using some other, perhaps ultra level spells to kill demons with. She only started using Zoltraak because it was powerful, efficient, and a snub to demons to use their own spell against them.
Flamme used a mass disintegration spell, indeed
You guys really think frieren can be blitz one shot that easy 😆
Damn frieren getting underestimated so much or fern stock value that high
😆
After meeting Übel, Burg has only been half the man he was before... 🤣
That serious Frieren is what Sein would've wanted..that death stare is something else with the hair down as well 🤌🏻🤌🏻
Frieren and Ubel this episode 🔥🔥
Well, I think what Doppel-Frieren did was "telekinesis" (similar to the D&D spell), but instead of using mana, it uses mental power (however that's just a hypothesis)
I’m glad you’re on to ep27, my favorite in the entire series
80 years ago... When she killed the Demon King
to fight ubel... you must intro yourself as diamond and everything you own/wear as diamond plated stuff...XD
Peak episode
The next one is peak imo. But this one comes very very close 2nd
You already know where this is going... 👁️👄👁️ 👁️👄👁️
Practically, when Übel fights Burg, she doesn't see what's he's doing to his Immovable Cloak, she simply sees him as a piece of cloth. And her Reelseiden is the scissor. Like in the rules of Rock-Paper-Scissor, her 'Scissor' defeats his 'Paper', or in this case, his Immovable Cloak. Literally just imagining him as a piece of cloth 😂
Sensational 🍊🍊🍊
When Frieren said that basic attack spells are more than enough to defeat current era Mages she wasn't kidding, everything else in her arsenal is Overkill! If all mages have entered the chamber maybe only Denken, Fern and Methode could have survived.
PEAAAAAKKKK 💯🔥
if no one has noticed Flamme and Serie don't use staffs (just like the demons) to cast magic like everyone else does
y'all gotta check out Wistoria Wand and Sword!! it'll fill your Frieren gap
ugh we have to wait to see that “attack” again from Frieren and what’s really it.
that frieren means 80 years is it the eye magic thing or the nuclear one
Dont tell me I cant cut cloth, I watched my sister do it for years.
Why does the music remind me of The Witcher 😂
If you see what frieren can do.. imagin what Serie is able to do... that thought is realy scary
You will have a sample of Serie fighting in the next season. Simply put, it is like cheating.
@@pierluigidipietro8097 thought so... Series is a whole different level... also.. i know this isnt true... but Serie could also be the godess,,,
who knows...
all we know is that her restrained mana output is that of Freierens releaesd output... like i sayed... scary
the only way to know how powerful frieren is to have frieren vs frieren. Just to show how brutal those 10 years of journey and the final fight with the demon king when frieren needed all this cool spells to defeat him. and not even flamme or serie could defeat the demon king
Serie can definitely fight the demon king... I forgot what episode but it was explained why serie choose not to fight the demon king ... a battle mage dont want peaceful era
I think there is something odd about the Demon King and Serie. In the last ep, Flamme told Serie that she could not defeat the DK because she could not imagine a peaceful era. Serie is considerably more powerful than Frieren so I think there may be something about the nature of the DK that made Serie either unable to defeat him or unable to defeat him permanently that is based in her personal nature. Maybe by being unable to imagine a peaceful era she empowers him? I don't know but I hope this is explained at some point. As a side note, there is something connecting the death of Himmel and the re-emergence of the demon menace. We have had several indications - most notably Aura's return -that Himmel's death somehow led to the resurgence of demon power in the world. I wonder if his defeat of the DK and the shattering of demon power were connected by imagination and, therefore, so long as Himmel was alive, their power was drastically reduced? I don't know but, again, I hope this is touched on later.
@@ShnNar1000xig what flamme said about serie was not really about her not being able to kill DK.
As far as we know serie>DK by a small margin in terms of abilities since she knew all spells. Serie is a war elf so peaceful era was never in her mind so she cannot visualize it which is the main theme about magic in this series.
I bet even if we swap serie with frieren the hero party will be dead and DK will still be alive.
@@ShnNar1000xi think the demons were just scared shitless of himmel so they waited until he was dead before doing stuff again.
The demons probably dont really understand that himmel wasnt as powerful in age anymore or just didnt wanna risk it.
In the second season will be revealed that an existential threat to humans is brewing, enacted by a major demon. Maybe it will be tackled in a third season.
13:24 she just missed the badass part lel..
1st Class Mage Proctors: 1st class mages won't die from this etc.
Also 1st Class Mage Proctors: If you somehow kill me you're disqualified.
You think fern one shoted frieren? Are you ok?
I JUST GOT HOME FROM SCHOOL... WHAT A TREAT AFTER A LONG DAY!!
Wow, summer school...I feel for you...
@@sauyiro5429 Nope, I'm under a tri-semester classes rn, but yeahh
For kill frieren, you need... uhh frieren and someone else
17:34
YOU SHOULD CUT YOUR HAIR NOW!
1:42 Yeah, this is one of the few big screw-ups by the director, I think. Literally everyone I've seen watch this thinks the fight ended at the end of the last episode and is confused when it continues in this one. They should have at least shown the duplicate surviving the attack or have Fern and Frieren comment on it.
I think it was sneakily explained why it survive tho...
1:36 is the hint
Nah, it wasn't a screw up at all. The whole point is to make you think Fern killed her. They built it up, making you think Fern could do it. Yes, at first, people were like "huh?" But almost every reaction channel figured out within 30 seconds this fight was a continuation. The point was to give false hope, and then the very next episode it shows you that you have been fooled. Unfortunately they these two thought the last shot fired from Fern was the same shot she fired from the last episode because she was in the air. But last episode all three were in the air when she fired and this episode only Fern was. Of course everyone thought the fight ended last episode. That is what they intended. And while it's a tad "confusing" at first it was very easy to see the fight was a continuation
Yeah, now that I'm looking at the manga, it is indeed a continuity error in the adaptation. In the manga, one chapter ends with that short from Fern, and then the following chapter picks up with a different POV on the same shot, after which she makes that comment about the replica blocking it. But in the anime, we now have that additional anime original sequence with the black hole in between the first and 2nd times showing Fern's attack, which therefore implies that it's two separate attacks instead of 2 POVs on the same attack. I guess it's technically valid for her to say that after her 2nd shot, but it doesn't make as much narrative sense. Alternatively, you could interpret that sequence as being a flashback to before Fern's first attack, but that also doesn't make sense narratively. So I agree, the manga is definitely clearer here.
@@zzenkaii"it blocked it"
"We expected this much"
"From here on out its a battle of attrition"
I don't even think that's being sneaky lol it was confirming right then and there that the battle was a continuation.
@@JewJitSuSixty9 Well yes, but you should include the block for the dramatic attack that deceptively leads you to think the fight is over. The manga has it, the show has been super faithful in recreating most of the shots from the manga including ending with the Zoltraak from the previous episode which was at a chapter end; there's no reason to cut the replica blocking the shot that would literally take 2 seconds to show. I wouldn't call it a continuity error, but it's confusing for no reason. It's reasonable for your average viewer to take a few seconds to figure out what's going on which detracts from the visual spectacle that they're setting up with the replica Frieren's attack.
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This will be a long post but here we go.
Ubel's visualization is not exactly a talent as much as it is a mental disorder really. Consider this, when you see cloth for the first time you see it as simple fabric. Whether that cloth is thick or thin, it is still cloth and you assume it can be cut right?
Now, imagine that that cloth is reinforced with carbon fibers or even thin metal rings. What would happen then? You identify the reinforcement and you know intellectually that this isn't just a simple piece of cloth anymore. It isn't something that can be cut with a pair of scissors and you will search for another way to bypass the new armor. That is the logical thing to do, that is what been able to identify a difference in a previous concept leads to. No matter the imagination you might have, there is no way a person would gaslight themselves into believing that a pair of scissors would be able to cut reinforced steel. That is what bewildered Sense.
Ubel is doing exactly that. She knew that the cloak in front of her was tank level armor, she knew that anything she threw at it would do nothing to it, yet, she actually believed that what she saw in front of her was not reality and that it was a simple piece of fabric! I mean who does that? Even idiots that do the same attack again and again against a fortified position believe that the attack will eventually work because the previous attacks did some damage, not because they actually believe that the new attack will actually work on its own. Ubel literary has programmed in her soul a belief that if something is cloth or hair as a general concept, then that something can be cut period! It's not something that can be taught, its not that I will convince myself that I can do something. She actually perceives this as reality no matter that it objectively is not. And she actually knows it is not in an intellectual level. That is why Sense is horrified and calls her crazy and her ability a superpower. Because it is actually something that IS crazy and Ubel IS crazy. She isn't a real genius in the orthodox way of thinking. She is an anomaly.
And that is where the limitation of her power comes from. She can cut anything she has identified as something that can be cut since she was a child. Meaning cloth, hair, flesh etc. She can't cut cleanly stone, steel or wood or anything else like that. Her attacks might do some damage, but those attacks would do as much damage as the force behind the attack, it will not bypass it completely like it would do to cloth or hair. But defensive spells such as the one used in the series is another thing entirely. The defensive spell used is a mana construct that its entire purpose is to block completely mana based attacks such as her signature spell. She learned this to be the truth when she first learned the spell and grew with that concept as an absolute truth and reality. She never had any other influence about this, so she can't convince herself that her attacks can actually bypass this defense which is why Wirbel defeated her. Her attacks were blocked and he is overall a better fighter with far more experience and talent like she herself admitted.
As for Fern, while she is an impressive mage and will certainly grow even stronger with time and experience, she in not ready to face Frieren alone anytime soon. The episode cemented the fact that Fern could not face Frieren, she acted as an assassin the entire battle, waiting for the perfect opening in order to exploit it. The clone was focused on Frieren for the entire battle, and we were told in the episode by Frieren herself that some of the openings she created for Fern to exploit, Fern was not able to recognize and use, meaning that Fern is still lacking both in experience, skill and sheer strength. While she does have the potential to grow enough for her to defeat Frieren in the end, that is still many years down the road if it is even possible. In her current state, I would place her under Denken, Wirbel and Methode since I believe all three of them could win against her in a one on one battle. Denken because of his experience and knowledge. Wirbel because of his battle experience, versatility and his signature spell Sorganeil. Fern is a long range mage and does not know a lot about his magic, so it would be easy for him to place her in a position that he can see her whole body and trap her. And finally Methode is extremely versatile and has restrain magic that we were shown to be extremely effective against Fern, and it is implied in the episode that she defeated Fern's clone in a one on one battle already.
Ubel solos Goku.
ユーベルは悪者にされてるけど
ちょっと倫理観がバグっているだけで
自分から殺してはない
盗賊に襲われたから殺した
不動の外套を殺したのも
わざとではない
だから私のユーベルをいじめないで😂
Lord of the Rings?