Angron was a Gladiator champion of Nucaria, so powerful and so honorable he could best any foe in the ring… He had such powerful emperor crafted gifts of the warp that he could even take the suffering of those he cares about. The warp of is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his control, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he was explanted with the butchers nails, causing him to lose himself in rage and agony. Ironic. He could save others from pain, but not himself.
I feel like world eaters are THE most under appreciated parts of 40k lore. They're always just branded as the "hurr durr kill" legion that everyone seems to overlook the more interesting aspects of the legion. First off their undying loyalty to THEIR PRIMARCH. They were so loyal and dedicated to their Primarch that they willingly under went the butchers nails to understand /connect with him more. Also their mental strength and willpower is unparalleled, being able to put up with the butchers nails and not allow themselves to simply keel over is beyond impressive. The deep and tragic story of Angron is actually one of the best making a character that seems so simple one of the most complex.
Ik. Usually berserker like characters are just 1 dimensional or written off as insane but world eaters are tragic because they can never know tranquility or peace ever again due to the nails and khorne. Combat to them is like a drug addiction where killing is the only way to turn off the constant agony and angst they get when they’re not fighting. Death is the only way out. And Kharn is just a completely different breed of astartes to be able to stay as sane as he is with how old he is
I'm honestly angered at the presentation of the world eaters as unskilled dumb berserkers. instead of extraordinarily skilled mega genius murders who have practiced the arts of war in centuries of conflict. with a hyper predatory instinctual rage for blood fused with transhuman biology and intellect. They might be berzerkers but if they were mindless they would have gone extinct. They're violently direct and highly aggressive not. they're not mindless brutes they're feral hyperintelligent transhuman demi-gods of war. They also have a deep and rich culture that's not touched upon either often enough.
The World Eaters XII Legion are an interesting dichotomy. Many followed their father into heresy but a significant number of them remained loyal and became black shields
We did not went to the misery of being a black shield...we were elevated above you meager imperial dogs. We became what we...hng...what we had been allways...hng...blood. we allwyas were what we blood... Blood for the blood god! The Nails are bitinh!!!
"If you desire to cast fault for the path that the XII legion embarked upon, the true blame could be placed nowhere other than at the Throne of Terra, at his Feet." Eight Captain Khârn Dear Remembrancer, let the mayhem begins.....
That's nothing more than embracing a victim complex where no matter what terrible things you do it's not your fault cause you were wronged. Everybody has a choice to become more than what your origins turned you into but Angron's choice was to completely give into his rage due to the fact it was easier and because it felt good.
@@Doomseer totally agree with you! Angron was probably "broken " since his birth , or after the suffering on Nuceria (especially after the implantation of the nails or the lost of Oenomaus) and the growing rage against the emperor who denied him the choice to die with his brothers gladiators put and end to his mind. Otherwise, i think that the choice of his gene-sons to follow him in that bloody path was morbid and a truly madness. After a lot of time someone said that the genes of Angron was corrupted since the beginning, i don't think so. The space marines that follow his choices, that embrace his traditions and modus operandi, especially on Istvaan 3 massacre, have tacitly consented. After all, for my taste, I really like the drama around this legion, primarch and Kharn, one of my favourite character of the brand, until Skalathrax...and Khorne is my favuorite god so....😅😁
@@mattthedemon7517 I understand where you're coming from when you say Angron was broken from the beginning or at least after he killed his foster father due to the nails being forcefully transplanted into his head. Furthermore it goes without saying the emperor kidnapping Angron from his gladiator brethren right before their final battle against their former captures didn't help much either. However Angron was a Primarch and in my opinion had the strongest will out of all his brothers besides maybe Mortarion and as such I truly believe if he really wanted to he could of resisted the biting call of the nails and eventually came to a point where he no longer was a complete slave to them. But he simply chose not to and even worse subjected his own sons to the absolute living hell that is being implanted with the butcher's nails but of course only after years and years of killing and torturing them for the actions of the emperor which they had nothing to do with. Lastly he never even attempted to find out why the emperor did what he did or gave him a chance to make amends and much of that is due to the fact he didn't understand that despite the emperor's nigh on godly powers he none the less was human and a very flawed human at that who had the unimaginable and unenviable responsibility of an entire galactic spanning species resting on his very shoulders which if you ask me would render any human being cold and callous to the extreme. Also FIY considering you're a world eaters fan boy like me lol you should totally watch the fan story narrated by Vox in the void called waking dogs and then let me know what you think of it cause it's probably my all-time favorite WH40K fanstory.
@@Doomseer thanks for sharing your opinions that I find really interesting! Well, it seems the time is come for me to go to listen that fanstory, thanks for letting me know about it! See you soon
It's such a tragedy what became of the 12th legion, they inherited their primarchs empathy and so felt for him when his own gift was denied by cruel fate and even cruelty has its comforts, thus dooming the legion with rage induced madness all because of angron wanting to help his people on his home world to then get denied even further by his own father. Truly tragic. Moral of the story: fuck eldar who think trying to stop the future vision somehow doesn't help it happen.
The World Eater story just seems like one of those too stupid to actually happen scenarios. We are just going to send this madman off with an army while he is still murdering any officer who walked up to him...
13:45 Angron is basically just a bloodthirster now. 22:10 This hit hard, they aren't war hounds anymore because now they are blood thirsty berserkers that obey no one except for their desire for bloodshed and Khorne, unlike dogs. They embody the pure savagery of Wolves more than the Space Wolves ever (no offense intended to the Space Wolves).
Baldermort, Majorkill, and Barry Walt's? Fun, but not serious. The Remembrancer and Baldermort? Literally everything they are saying is CANON ON STONE TABLETS.
Angron’s fate is painfully tragic. He was born to be the empathetic heart of the Primarch Brotherhood, only to have his purpose ripped from him alongside his capacity to feel any kind of inner peace. AND THEN his dad comes along and makes it worse. _AND THEN_ Lorgar makes him into a Daemon Prince that literally can’t feel anything except pain and world-ending rage. Now, he’s not even a person anymore. He’s a force of nature; you can’t reason with him, he can’t give orders, and he certainly can’t lead. His sons just have to have the common sense to know that they should get the hell out of the way.
imagine if the emporoer literally sent the ONE fucking custodies that angron had torn to shreds down to conquer the fuckin planet, the whole HERESY probably wouldve been avoided alltogether if he had treated the predicament of angron even a tenth better than he had done.
I think the emperor and malcador tried to remove them but found out it would kill angron if they did. Angrons story is a sad one, hes "power" was that of extreme empathy or something similar, he would have been a completly different being were it not for those nails.. and the emperor being a s**ty dad. Yes, i know, im a heretic, send the inquisitor this way ;)
17:37 ... "until it is DONE!" Joke aside, another incredible episode Remebrancer, I wasnt much into the lore of 40k (as the miniature hobby, much less war games with miniatures were never on this side of the planet) but your incredible narrations and well written scripts changed that really fast!
Konrad and Angron are what i call the two broken primarchs, becuase unlike the rest of their brother these two were shaped by the shitholes they landed konrad grew up alone and no guide on a planet of gansters and corrupt nobles with the vaguest of ideas about how the law works, then we have angron someone who could of been one of the most noble and compassionate primarchs, but nuceria broke him, he landed on a planet of power hungry monsters that forced the nails on him and took away his primarch powers and was slowly killing him The emperor saw angron was irreversabily mulitlated by the nails who was going to die way before the crusade ended and couldn't remove them becuase even if your a primarch, the brain is a very senisve organ to fuck around with. Apperently the emperor wanted knorad captured so he could do some werid voo doo to heal his mind, but the guys in charge of his capture sanguinius and Jonson let him slip through their fingers and in his finals moments he either was forgivien by Big e or konrad just went batshit and was a fevered dream
I think the Emperor knew half of his sons would betray him. He knew some sons futures better than others. But nothing could be guaranteed. Chaos just showed us what they want to show.
5:37 If Big E had just said "Hey Angron, I'm your dad, here's some genetically altered super soldiers to support your rebellion and kick this petty noble's ass," everything would have been SO MUCH different.
If Angron’s ability is empathy. The ability to feel someone else’s pain and take it from them. Then why shouldn’t that ability be throughout the world eaters as well. Feeling someone’s pain and oppression is good kindling for growing A pyre of rage.
many others have said this, but I think my favorite part of world eaters is how they seem so simple, but still have a depth of lore that isn't tainted by their simplicity. alot of times when a simple character(s) has complex lore, I end up looking back on their actions with confusion or wonder why the writers didn't take opportunities to flesh out that lore through behavior, but here, it just makes me feel for the world eaters more. their apparent simplicity is precisely *because* of their fall from grace, not simply a result of writers writing lore after the characters are writren, although im sure warhammer is guilty of that too. i also love how such an intricate fall from grace was once again, triggered by a fairly simple reason: Angron was denied his honorable death with those he saw as family, and the simplicity of that reason seems to just tie the whole tragedy together in a beautiful red bow.
This is literally the best 40k lore video I've ever seen, the voice acting and production is superb and so much more entertaining than normal videos, I rarely subscribe to anything but with this I will be.
SOOO EPIC MY BATTLE BROTHER!! And can I just say that every time I watch one of these videos the longer ones, when that chant music kicks in at the end I literally exhale and say holy shit that was fucking awesome lol! Like seriously man you you take a journey with the way you tell your stories and it is so appreciated I love 40KI have love 40K for over 15 years and let me tell you when I listen to you and a few of the other guys telling these stories and just getting into the lore I realize why I love 40K and why I got into it in the 1st place and it just brings me back to being a 14 year old kid Trying to paint little metal dudes in my basement! And that's the heart of it to have fun and enjoy the hobby and my friend you help bring people into it so keep up the good work 2 thumbs up and I cannot wait till the next one seriously just pure legendary awesomeness!
People would be surprised to learn that Angron was one of, if not the most, compassionate and caring Primarchs, EVER. If I was accidentally teleported into that future, and found myself in a war room, surrounded by all the Primarchs, the Corpse Emperor and the murderous, manipulative Sigilite, if this was the Angron that never got that cruel, meatball surgery, he'd be one of the few I'd trust enough to run to for protection, besides Roboute Guilliman and Vulkan. Without a doubt, he is the son that the Corpse Emperor treated with the most contempt, and naked hatred. He never respected him, and certainly never loved him, from the instant he laid eyes on him.
@@harkaway9006 But what would he be like, if he had been raised on Macragge? Or Reth? Or Calth? I'm under the impression that Konrad's environment made him what he was, so what would he have been like, someplace else? Is the "Night Haunter" his true nature? We now know the Red Angel isn't Angron's.
@@RobouteGuilliman-M41 actually yeah Curze was probably always gonna end up like that, maybe not as insane, but he would’ve done the same thing he did to Nostramo to any other planet
It never made sense to me how Big E handled Angron. He jumped through hoops to get Russ and Vulkan on his side. All he had to do was deploy a few Custodes to fight with Angron and his warriors to gain his loyalty.
@@kharnthebetrayer1575 Its one of those dumb things that have to happen for the plot to occur. I get that it was written way before the HH books fleshed things out. But that is one of the bits of lore that should have been retconned into making more sense.
Big E can see the future, he probably saw that angron was going to fall to chaos so he probably didn't bother. Compared to say sanguinius or vulkan having a raging frothing lobotomized maniac as korns chosen was the best alternative. You see this with most primarchs sans a few like horus or fulgrim where the emps intentionally treat them like utter shite compared to most of the other sons who stayed loyal.
Very well told as usual Remembrancer. It's a shame that the lore turned them and Angron into a dribbling idiots. Khrone is the god war, hatred, rage, blood sure... but he's also the god of martial honour and strength. But the lore just seems to focus on them being angry af all the time...
More that if you are an Astartes, Primarch, etc and you butchering farmers, children, the average person with no weapons and isn't fighting back, they aren't valued like killing other combatants, people who can in someway at least fight back in some capacity.
i'm agree with many when they say that the story of angron is a tragedy, but many seem to forget that if angron had accepted the deal of the emperor to lead his son at the begining, then he had the possibilitie to win his war, AND to save his gladiator brother and sister ! and that is the first crack in his lies, the problem of angron, is that he never wanted to be free, nor to free somebody, he is a primarch, not a random dude, his intelligence is by far greater than any normal genius, or he never really plan something like corvus corax, he just randomly, with his army, butcher anything that was in vicinity. he never try to make a real rebellion, never incite the many people on the planet that suffer to rebel against the upper class, in fact, the only real thing he want, even in 30 and 41k, is to die with his old friend in the same damn arena, and that the problem of angron, he is suici dal from the begining, he tell everybody that it's not his fault that everybody die in the arena, when he have the possibilitie to save them, he blame the emperor and his own sons of his own decisions, and make them pay dearly for that. angron's tragedy is not that he was saved by the emperor, the tragedy is that he prefer to give up long before he was saved, a slave of his own suici dal tendency...
Would be so lovely if Guilliman founds new Primaris Chapters with Traitors Geneseed and unleashes them against the Heretics. After all, there are samples kept on Terra.
@@1974GreekTigerand yet Dark Angels ( one of my favorite armies) still have forbidden tech that was given to them by Big E. And it was G man that keep Crawl from using “ traitor” gene seed and the seeds from the 2 “lost” Primarks .
Can't believe they didn't send the warehouses to help the gladiators then, if not remove, augment the butchers nails to give him some sanity back. The Emporia made some pretty big mistakes but if u make enough decisions some are bound to go wrong I guess.
I'm relatively new to 40K lore. A recurring theme I'm seeing with the Primarch storylines is that, their legion is well established, and at some point in time, the Emperor discovers a notable leader on a given planet that embodies traits of a leaderless legion. This soldier then goes on to become their Primarch. Does the Emperor not imbue them with his genes, at that point? To enhance them and give them great powers? Or is that bit just assumed to happen, and omitted from the story because its too obvious? (This might be a stupid question)
I can't wait to see what gw has in store for Angrons return! My money is on he's gonna have guilliman and the ultramarines at his mercy just for Leman to return ahead of a space wolves battle fleet to fight Angron and his reformed legion to save guilliman.
Ya know, learning more about the War Hounds, I feel like I can better understand why Angron hated and viewed them as cowards considering they were effectively a reserve legion. I mean obviously they’re still astartes and they’re brutal and all, and like obviously Angron’s greatest hatred was for the emperor not his sons. But like it makes sense and I understand perhaps part of the reason he instantly despises them on meeting.
my theory is that the world eaters were mean as back up executioners if the more heavily altered Space wolves didn't work out, you know the whole wolf-man thing. i mean one of their 1st actions was executing the thunder warriors. same with the death guard and salamanders as both were known for being extra resilient. and the Alpha legion and raven Guard because what is stealth but being deceptive about where you are? both also would use sabotage and assassination. many would connect RG with nightlords but while they used similar methods the NL whole deal was screaming " HEY LOOK AT WHAT I JUST DID, FEAR ME!"
honestly they should retcon Khorne factions, they are so uneeded, all they do is add onto the slog that is chaos. personally i think they should release more kriegsmen cause they would earn much more money from that
How the Emperor didn't see what the future held for the 12th and destroy this traitor filth is beyond me. I feel bad for the Astartes who had Angron as a "leader"... If you could call him that. I mean you could see Angron betraying humanity from a mile away , and having Horus beside him only made his pride/ego swell up more, only to have his hatred of the Emperor increase massively. Long live the Emperor , long live Humanity , long live the Emperor. 🤍♥️🤍
Yeah, the 12th was never going to make it. Even if the Horus Heresy never happened and they never fell to Chaos, there's no way they don't end up getting the Thunder Warrior treatment (and deservedly so).
He saw it but he also think he can handle him and the rest of the Traitors thanks to the Webway. And he need some force like the WE and NL in his side to reduce separatism. Also, his precognition only show the vision of the end of each "roads" (the possible timeline), not the "road" itself (all the events that construct that timeline).
Imagine if Big E had teleported a bunch of War Hounds onto thr battlefield and told Angron to use then against the Nuserians, instead of yanking him out by force...what couldnhave been!
Angron was never and will never be free- that is the saddest part. Not the empath bit or anything else. The saddest part of Angron is that is was born, lived, died, and was reborn as a slave and will serve forever as a slave.
Angron hated, The Devourers though as a true warrior didn't need guards. I'm not 100% sure but didn't he even kill some of them at some point? Becoming one of them wasn't as much of an honour as perhaps it would have been in any other legion.
Wait a minute... do you read the audio books?? Your voice sounds just like the guy that reads Horus Heresy. I didn't even notice until I heard Karn's accent.
this is yet another son coldly cast aside with llittle support as the emperor often did. used his sons against each other with the loathesome russ as his lap dog enforcer. angron with temperance and guidance as well as medical support may have not fallen to insanity and drag his legion down with him. powerful allies they would have made - should the emperor have lifted a finger to aid them in their times of need - instead of banishing them for the very nature he distilled and nurtured with in them. Another loyalist legion lost due to his arrogance and petty divisiveness amongst his children. Angron and Magnus...kin in the poor treatment of their sire.
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Primarch Angron the Red Angel? I thought not. It's not a story the Loyalists would tell you. It's a Chaos legend.
Deeeep cut not I wonder how many people will get that 👍
As a Word Bearers fan by heart, WE will always be our closest brothers.
Angron was a Gladiator champion of Nucaria, so powerful and so honorable he could best any foe in the ring… He had such powerful emperor crafted gifts of the warp that he could even take the suffering of those he cares about. The warp of is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his control, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he was explanted with the butchers nails, causing him to lose himself in rage and agony. Ironic. He could save others from pain, but not himself.
I see what you did there, master Jedi.
@@CherryBlossom-mh6vv lol, this was what Palpatine said to Anikan during the opera on the balcony, referring to his own master he murdered lol.
“I fight because it is what I was made to do. What I was born to do. You are in my way!!!”~ Unknown World Eater Legionary
I feel like world eaters are THE most under appreciated parts of 40k lore. They're always just branded as the "hurr durr kill" legion that everyone seems to overlook the more interesting aspects of the legion. First off their undying loyalty to THEIR PRIMARCH. They were so loyal and dedicated to their Primarch that they willingly under went the butchers nails to understand /connect with him more. Also their mental strength and willpower is unparalleled, being able to put up with the butchers nails and not allow themselves to simply keel over is beyond impressive. The deep and tragic story of Angron is actually one of the best making a character that seems so simple one of the most complex.
Ik. Usually berserker like characters are just 1 dimensional or written off as insane but world eaters are tragic because they can never know tranquility or peace ever again due to the nails and khorne. Combat to them is like a drug addiction where killing is the only way to turn off the constant agony and angst they get when they’re not fighting. Death is the only way out. And Kharn is just a completely different breed of astartes to be able to stay as sane as he is with how old he is
Loyalty and daddy issues go hand in hand
Its true brother.
Blood For The Blood god.
I'm honestly angered at the presentation of the world eaters as unskilled dumb berserkers. instead of extraordinarily skilled mega genius murders who have practiced the arts of war in centuries of conflict. with a hyper predatory instinctual rage for blood fused with transhuman biology and intellect. They might be berzerkers but if they were mindless they would have gone extinct. They're violently direct and highly aggressive not. they're not mindless brutes they're feral hyperintelligent transhuman demi-gods of war.
They also have a deep and rich culture that's not touched upon either often enough.
Heresy
The World Eaters XII Legion are an interesting dichotomy. Many followed their father into heresy but a significant number of them remained loyal and became black shields
Who leads when their primarch decided to join the chaos?
@@ey-eyroughn5972 Whichever legionnaire holds the highest rank or has the most influence I presume.
Black Shields, eh? Interesting....
We did not went to the misery of being a black shield...we were elevated above you meager imperial dogs. We became what we...hng...what we had been allways...hng...blood. we allwyas were what we blood...
Blood for the blood god!
The Nails are bitinh!!!
The way you narrate i can clearly imagine how everything played out...nice work...the Emperor protects!
Just drop a squad of Angry Marines into the "World Eaters" and then count the dead bodies of the "World Eaters" afterwards. 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
"If you desire to cast fault for the path that the XII legion embarked upon, the true blame could be placed nowhere other than at the Throne of Terra, at his Feet."
Eight Captain Khârn
Dear Remembrancer, let the mayhem begins.....
That's nothing more than embracing a victim complex where no matter what terrible things you do it's not your fault cause you were wronged. Everybody has a choice to become more than what your origins turned you into but Angron's choice was to completely give into his rage due to the fact it was easier and because it felt good.
@@Doomseer totally agree with you! Angron was probably "broken " since his birth , or after the suffering on Nuceria (especially after the implantation of the nails or the lost of Oenomaus) and the growing rage against the emperor who denied him the choice to die with his brothers gladiators put and end to his mind. Otherwise, i think that the choice of his gene-sons to follow him in that bloody path was morbid and a truly madness. After a lot of time someone said that the genes of Angron was corrupted since the beginning, i don't think so. The space marines that follow his choices, that embrace his traditions and modus operandi, especially on Istvaan 3 massacre, have tacitly consented. After all, for my taste, I really like the drama around this legion, primarch and Kharn, one of my favourite character of the brand, until Skalathrax...and Khorne is my favuorite god so....😅😁
@@mattthedemon7517 I understand where you're coming from when you say Angron was broken from the beginning or at least after he killed his foster father due to the nails being forcefully transplanted into his head. Furthermore it goes without saying the emperor kidnapping Angron from his gladiator brethren right before their final battle against their former captures didn't help much either. However Angron was a Primarch and in my opinion had the strongest will out of all his brothers besides maybe Mortarion and as such I truly believe if he really wanted to he could of resisted the biting call of the nails and eventually came to a point where he no longer was a complete slave to them. But he simply chose not to and even worse subjected his own sons to the absolute living hell that is being implanted with the butcher's nails but of course only after years and years of killing and torturing them for the actions of the emperor which they had nothing to do with. Lastly he never even attempted to find out why the emperor did what he did or gave him a chance to make amends and much of that is due to the fact he didn't understand that despite the emperor's nigh on godly powers he none the less was human and a very flawed human at that who had the unimaginable and unenviable responsibility of an entire galactic spanning species resting on his very shoulders which if you ask me would render any human being cold and callous to the extreme. Also FIY considering you're a world eaters fan boy like me lol you should totally watch the fan story narrated by Vox in the void called waking dogs and then let me know what you think of it cause it's probably my all-time favorite WH40K fanstory.
@@Doomseer thanks for sharing your opinions that I find really interesting! Well, it seems the time is come for me to go to listen that fanstory, thanks for letting me know about it! See you soon
@@mattthedemon7517 "Brother I am pinned here!"
It's such a tragedy what became of the 12th legion, they inherited their primarchs empathy and so felt for him when his own gift was denied by cruel fate and even cruelty has its comforts, thus dooming the legion with rage induced madness all because of angron wanting to help his people on his home world to then get denied even further by his own father. Truly tragic.
Moral of the story: fuck eldar who think trying to stop the future vision somehow doesn't help it happen.
MORS AD ALIENI!
The World Eater story just seems like one of those too stupid to actually happen scenarios.
We are just going to send this madman off with an army while he is still murdering any officer who walked up to him...
Emperor: My work here is done. Time to put Horus in charge and dig a tunnel through hell back on Terra itself.
Moral of the story, Fuck the Eldar
Big E: the universes Shittyest dad
13:45 Angron is basically just a bloodthirster now. 22:10 This hit hard, they aren't war hounds anymore because now they are blood thirsty berserkers that obey no one except for their desire for bloodshed and Khorne, unlike dogs. They embody the pure savagery of Wolves more than the Space Wolves ever (no offense intended to the Space Wolves).
The quotes you choose for the end of each video are always perfect. Voice over skill seals the deal -- 11/10 content.
Please keep this up.
Baldermort, Majorkill, and Barry Walt's? Fun, but not serious. The Remembrancer and Baldermort? Literally everything they are saying is CANON ON STONE TABLETS.
Angron’s fate is painfully tragic. He was born to be the empathetic heart of the Primarch Brotherhood, only to have his purpose ripped from him alongside his capacity to feel any kind of inner peace.
AND THEN his dad comes along and makes it worse.
_AND THEN_ Lorgar makes him into a Daemon Prince that literally can’t feel anything except pain and world-ending rage.
Now, he’s not even a person anymore. He’s a force of nature; you can’t reason with him, he can’t give orders, and he certainly can’t lead. His sons just have to have the common sense to know that they should get the hell out of the way.
Imagine what could have been if the butchers nails werent implanted into Angron
Or better dad helped his gladiators and removed the nails.
imagine if the emporoer literally sent the ONE fucking custodies that angron had torn to shreds down to conquer the fuckin planet, the whole HERESY probably wouldve been avoided alltogether if he had treated the predicament of angron even a tenth better than he had done.
I think the emperor and malcador tried to remove them but found out it would kill angron if they did.
Angrons story is a sad one, hes "power" was that of extreme empathy or something similar, he would have been a completly different being were it not for those nails.. and the emperor being a s**ty dad. Yes, i know, im a heretic, send the inquisitor this way ;)
man would get a medical phd
Even so ferrus manus death was considered a minor inconvenience that emps could fix on a whim on a later date
Another great video! I like that you're lengthening the times of these as well. Bravo!
17:37 ... "until it is DONE!"
Joke aside, another incredible episode Remebrancer, I wasnt much into the lore of 40k (as the miniature hobby, much less war games with miniatures were never on this side of the planet) but your incredible narrations and well written scripts changed that really fast!
Remember that time a world eater Sargent ripped out a custodies spine???
Good times
still scratch my head why the Big E only saved angron,he could be the legion's most respected if he saved all of angron's men when the battle started.
Konrad and Angron are what i call the two broken primarchs, becuase unlike the rest of their brother these two were shaped by the shitholes they landed konrad grew up alone and no guide on a planet of gansters and corrupt nobles with the vaguest of ideas about how the law works, then we have angron someone who could of been one of the most noble and compassionate primarchs, but nuceria broke him, he landed on a planet of power hungry monsters that forced the nails on him and took away his primarch powers and was slowly killing him
The emperor saw angron was irreversabily mulitlated by the nails who was going to die way before the crusade ended and couldn't remove them becuase even if your a primarch, the brain is a very senisve organ to fuck around with.
Apperently the emperor wanted knorad captured so he could do some werid voo doo to heal his mind, but the guys in charge of his capture sanguinius and Jonson let him slip through their fingers and in his finals moments he either was forgivien by Big e or konrad just went batshit and was a fevered dream
I think the Emperor knew half of his sons would betray him. He knew some sons futures better than others. But nothing could be guaranteed. Chaos just showed us what they want to show.
5:37
If Big E had just said "Hey Angron, I'm your dad, here's some genetically altered super soldiers to support your rebellion and kick this petty noble's ass," everything would have been SO MUCH different.
Blood for the blood god! Skulls for the skull throne!!!!
Let the Galaxy Burn!
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If Angron’s ability is empathy. The ability to feel someone else’s pain and take it from them. Then why shouldn’t that ability be throughout the world eaters as well. Feeling someone’s pain and oppression is good kindling for growing A pyre of rage.
Would explain why botherhood meant so much to them as a legion
Poor, angry Angron, he just needs a hug 😂😂
These videos really make me want to continue reading the Horus heresy
My friend, you never disappoint!
DEVOUR THE WOLDS OF THE CORPSE WORSHIPER!!!!!
many others have said this, but I think my favorite part of world eaters is how they seem so simple, but still have a depth of lore that isn't tainted by their simplicity. alot of times when a simple character(s) has complex lore, I end up looking back on their actions with confusion or wonder why the writers didn't take opportunities to flesh out that lore through behavior, but here, it just makes me feel for the world eaters more. their apparent simplicity is precisely *because* of their fall from grace, not simply a result of writers writing lore after the characters are writren, although im sure warhammer is guilty of that too. i also love how such an intricate fall from grace was once again, triggered by a fairly simple reason: Angron was denied his honorable death with those he saw as family, and the simplicity of that reason seems to just tie the whole tragedy together in a beautiful red bow.
thank you for using the images of the WE and WB stuff I made, it made my day to see it on youtube
This is literally the best 40k lore video I've ever seen, the voice acting and production is superb and so much more entertaining than normal videos, I rarely subscribe to anything but with this I will be.
"Oi sir, why didn't the Emperor bombard Angron's enemies?"
"Because we wouldn't have a plot then Jimmy!"
The Chaos God of Ego and Hubris, the Emperor, strikes again.
Sound of your voices Perfectly suited to angron's bellicose aggressiveness, bravo
I love this kind of Warhammer lore.
easily the best Warhammer 40K lore channel ^_^
That honour is pretty heavily contested by now.
You know luetin or Occulus Imperia?
This was spectacular. Thanks so much for sharing your talent with us.
Been waiting for this one!! Awesome post.
Legend has it, this is the Slayers favourite Legion - but the Slayer doesn't like Demons.
Out of all the primarchs, if it was possible to save one I do wish it was Angron.
SOOO EPIC MY BATTLE BROTHER!! And can I just say that every time I watch one of these videos the longer ones, when that chant music kicks in at the end I literally exhale and say holy shit that was fucking awesome lol! Like seriously man you you take a journey with the way you tell your stories and it is so appreciated I love 40KI have love 40K for over 15 years and let me tell you when I listen to you and a few of the other guys telling these stories and just getting into the lore I realize why I love 40K and why I got into it in the 1st place and it just brings me back to being a 14 year old kid Trying to paint little metal dudes in my basement! And that's the heart of it to have fun and enjoy the hobby and my friend you help bring people into it so keep up the good work 2 thumbs up and I cannot wait till the next one seriously just pure legendary awesomeness!
Can you please make a medium to long video about specifically Julius Kaesoron of the Emperor's children?
Ah, the Iron Hands: "The Flesh is Weak, but Deeds Endure!"
@15:20 where is this video now?!!! please tell me.
Imagine going to the hospital and your doctor is called a butcher-surgeon.
Definitely wanna do World Eaters, should I get any models to start building till then?
Angron has one hell of a fight coming up...OL' BALE EYE WILL BE AVENGED!!!
The world eaters just became a manual exterminatus after The butchers nails, mowing Down whole planets.
Really good videos, strange that you dont have more subs! Keep going bro 😉
People would be surprised to learn that Angron was one of, if not the most, compassionate and caring Primarchs, EVER. If I was accidentally teleported into that future, and found myself in a war room, surrounded by all the Primarchs, the Corpse Emperor and the murderous, manipulative Sigilite, if this was the Angron that never got that cruel, meatball surgery, he'd be one of the few I'd trust enough to run to for protection, besides Roboute Guilliman and Vulkan. Without a doubt, he is the son that the Corpse Emperor treated with the most contempt, and naked hatred. He never respected him, and certainly never loved him, from the instant he laid eyes on him.
Yeah. In all honesty, Curze was the most twisted.
@@harkaway9006 But what would he be like, if he had been raised on Macragge? Or Reth? Or Calth? I'm under the impression that Konrad's environment made him what he was, so what would he have been like, someplace else? Is the "Night Haunter" his true nature? We now know the Red Angel isn't Angron's.
The Corpse Emperor really did let down the best of his sons.
@@RobouteGuilliman-M41 Honestly, I think so. Given the Night Lords were already the way they were before reuniting with him.
@@RobouteGuilliman-M41 actually yeah Curze was probably always gonna end up like that, maybe not as insane, but he would’ve done the same thing he did to Nostramo to any other planet
It never made sense to me how Big E handled Angron. He jumped through hoops to get Russ and Vulkan on his side. All he had to do was deploy a few Custodes to fight with Angron and his warriors to gain his loyalty.
Because Big E at times made Dumb mistakes….. and this was a huge one !!
@@kharnthebetrayer1575 Its one of those dumb things that have to happen for the plot to occur. I get that it was written way before the HH books fleshed things out. But that is one of the bits of lore that should have been retconned into making more sense.
Big E can see the future, he probably saw that angron was going to fall to chaos so he probably didn't bother. Compared to say sanguinius or vulkan having a raging frothing lobotomized maniac as korns chosen was the best alternative. You see this with most primarchs sans a few like horus or fulgrim where the emps intentionally treat them like utter shite compared to most of the other sons who stayed loyal.
Very well told as usual Remembrancer.
It's a shame that the lore turned them and Angron into a dribbling idiots. Khrone is the god war, hatred, rage, blood sure... but he's also the god of martial honour and strength. But the lore just seems to focus on them being angry af all the time...
Exactly.
Khorne does care where the blood flows from, and preying on those weaker than yourself is not something he appreciates.
@@Contekari mean when you are a demon primarch, a lot of things seem weaker then you
More that if you are an Astartes, Primarch, etc and you butchering farmers, children, the average person with no weapons and isn't fighting back, they aren't valued like killing other combatants, people who can in someway at least fight back in some capacity.
Thank you, Remembrancer, for this history of the World Eaters.
*_"SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!!'_*
By far the best Legion.
To hell with Order. Bring on the Chaos.
Remember Ehrlen and White Eyes... loyal to the core and unquestionable in their service it’s a shame they got hunted like dogs after the virus bombing
Can not get enough 40K lore, must have moarrrrrrrrrrr!!!
As bad as it is. I think it's quite fortunate that chaos got angron instead of sanguinius.
The real definition if BRR BRR DING
Luna wolves, war hounds, space wolves. The Emperor really liked dogs didn't he?
Angron - "What if Spartacus went full on Villain?"
Well, Spartacus was pretty close in villainy.
Mans comes from geonosis.. No wonder he's so angry all the time
i'm agree with many when they say that the story of angron is a tragedy, but many seem to forget that if angron had accepted the deal of the emperor to lead his son at the begining, then he had the possibilitie to win his war, AND to save his gladiator brother and sister !
and that is the first crack in his lies, the problem of angron, is that he never wanted to be free, nor to free somebody, he is a primarch, not a random dude, his intelligence is by far greater than any normal genius, or he never really plan something like corvus corax, he just randomly, with his army, butcher anything that was in vicinity.
he never try to make a real rebellion, never incite the many people on the planet that suffer to rebel against the upper class, in fact, the only real thing he want, even in 30 and 41k, is to die with his old friend in the same damn arena, and that the problem of angron, he is suici dal from the begining, he tell everybody that it's not his fault that everybody die in the arena, when he have the possibilitie to save them, he blame the emperor and his own sons of his own decisions, and make them pay dearly for that.
angron's tragedy is not that he was saved by the emperor, the tragedy is that he prefer to give up long before he was saved, a slave of his own suici dal tendency...
I legit saw the thumb nail and thought it was Ronald McDonald in power armour 😂😂
Would be so lovely if Guilliman founds new Primaris Chapters with Traitors Geneseed and unleashes them against the Heretics. After all, there are samples kept on Terra.
I never could figure out why they never did that
@@jamesthompson3023 Because the Imperium forbids any heretical practice or weapon.If they were to do that the Inquisition would purge them.
@@1974GreekTigerand yet Dark Angels ( one of my favorite armies) still have forbidden tech that was given to them by Big E. And it was G man that keep Crawl from using “ traitor” gene seed and the seeds from the 2 “lost” Primarks .
Can't believe they didn't send the warehouses to help the gladiators then, if not remove, augment the butchers nails to give him some sanity back. The Emporia made some pretty big mistakes but if u make enough decisions some are bound to go wrong I guess.
The Good Guys of 40k.
Thanks for the video.
I'm relatively new to 40K lore. A recurring theme I'm seeing with the Primarch storylines is that, their legion is well established, and at some point in time, the Emperor discovers a notable leader on a given planet that embodies traits of a leaderless legion. This soldier then goes on to become their Primarch. Does the Emperor not imbue them with his genes, at that point? To enhance them and give them great powers? Or is that bit just assumed to happen, and omitted from the story because its too obvious?
(This might be a stupid question)
The Legions’ would be implanted with the genetically materials of each Primarch before their scattering across the stars.
My first video of yours ,I loved it and look forward to looking at your back log of videos and future videos
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I can't wait to see what gw has in store for Angrons return! My money is on he's gonna have guilliman and the ultramarines at his mercy just for Leman to return ahead of a space wolves battle fleet to fight Angron and his reformed legion to save guilliman.
Him or the lion
Ya know, learning more about the War Hounds, I feel like I can better understand why Angron hated and viewed them as cowards considering they were effectively a reserve legion. I mean obviously they’re still astartes and they’re brutal and all, and like obviously Angron’s greatest hatred was for the emperor not his sons. But like it makes sense and I understand perhaps part of the reason he instantly despises them on meeting.
Could you please do something on the death guard.
Hunting dinosaurs for 2 years until kharn found him....he said they'd take the nails to get him back.
Pls tell me that ther is some World Eaters that stayed loyal to emperor (I am kinda new to 40k and i really like that legion, but not chaos)
Please do somethong for Night Lords and the Lamenters. Pleasee
Can you do Ragnar Blackmane of the Space Wolves please? Xx
cannot wait for this!
so glad it's a long one!
my theory is that the world eaters were mean as back up executioners if the more heavily altered Space wolves didn't work out, you know the whole wolf-man thing. i mean one of their 1st actions was executing the thunder warriors.
same with the death guard and salamanders as both were known for being extra resilient.
and the Alpha legion and raven Guard because what is stealth but being deceptive about where you are?
both also would use sabotage and assassination. many would connect RG with nightlords but while they used similar methods the NL whole deal was screaming " HEY LOOK AT WHAT I JUST DID, FEAR ME!"
Tough love
honestly they should retcon Khorne factions, they are so uneeded, all they do is add onto the slog that is chaos. personally i think they should release more kriegsmen cause they would earn much more money from that
How the Emperor didn't see what the future held for the 12th and destroy this traitor filth is beyond me. I feel bad for the Astartes who had Angron as a "leader"... If you could call him that. I mean you could see Angron betraying humanity from a mile away , and having Horus beside him only made his pride/ego swell up more, only to have his hatred of the Emperor increase massively.
Long live the Emperor , long live Humanity , long live the Emperor. 🤍♥️🤍
What emperor does to angron is pathatic
Angron was right to betray so called father
Yeah, the 12th was never going to make it. Even if the Horus Heresy never happened and they never fell to Chaos, there's no way they don't end up getting the Thunder Warrior treatment (and deservedly so).
He saw it but he also think he can handle him and the rest of the Traitors thanks to the Webway. And he need some force like the WE and NL in his side to reduce separatism. Also, his precognition only show the vision of the end of each "roads" (the possible timeline), not the "road" itself (all the events that construct that timeline).
I mean when you name your kid angron you kinda get what you get.
So this is the bastard, they say killed Yarrick. Orks would have such fun.
Imagine if Big E had teleported a bunch of War Hounds onto thr battlefield and told Angron to use then against the Nuserians, instead of yanking him out by force...what couldnhave been!
Can u do a Death Watch story or character pls?
*Sutch a shame about Angron. If GW just used their head a bit, The World Eaters could have been a amazing legion..*
this is epic
"I am free!"
>is actually a slave to khorne
lmao, get dunk on Angry boy
The 12th legion had the most loyalist that fought their own.
Send for the black templers.
Approved.
An to think if Angron never got the butchers nails he and he’s legion would be so different than it’s now
Man, I wonder what would happen if the butchers nails were beaten into the skull of a son from another legion.
Angrons only sin was being the only primarch not to conquer his own planet. Like he should be able to solo the whole planet.
I wish we would see some saner World Eaters because as they are written they should really be extinct rather than just splintered warbands.
blood for blood god
Skulls for His Throne.
Angron was never and will never be free- that is the saddest part. Not the empath bit or anything else. The saddest part of Angron is that is was born, lived, died, and was reborn as a slave and will serve forever as a slave.
Ironic that Angron was supposed to be The Big E's empathy
My favourite legion
Angron hated, The Devourers though as a true warrior didn't need guards. I'm not 100% sure but didn't he even kill some of them at some point? Becoming one of them wasn't as much of an honour as perhaps it would have been in any other legion.
World eaters has to be one of the most depressing legions ever
Wait a minute... do you read the audio books?? Your voice sounds just like the guy that reads Horus Heresy. I didn't even notice until I heard Karn's accent.
I do not currently record any audiobooks. Though perhaps one day I shall be lucky enough to do so.
Cuz, anyone else love painting Berserkers in Pre-Heresy colors?
Blood For The Blood God!
this is yet another son coldly cast aside with llittle support as the emperor often did. used his sons against each other with the loathesome russ as his lap dog enforcer. angron with temperance and guidance as well as medical support may have not fallen to insanity and drag his legion down with him. powerful allies they would have made - should the emperor have lifted a finger to aid them in their times of need - instead of banishing them for the very nature he distilled and nurtured with in them.
Another loyalist legion lost due to his arrogance and petty divisiveness amongst his children. Angron and Magnus...kin in the poor treatment of their sire.