I wrote an entire PowerPoint on why the XIII Legion is better than the Ultramarines Chapter, with Calth as my prime example. Can’t wait to see this video
@@TridentShield22 The M40 Ultramarines Chapter Adeptus Astartes is a different thing to the M30 Crusade era XIII Legiones Astartes. The XIII Legion does not exist as an entity.
Sergeant Aenoid Thiel - "I've developed tactics and theory crafted ways to defeat other Space Marines, Sir." Ultramarine Captain - "Not only is your scenario impossible, but it's also heretical. I'm going to censure you!" A Space Wolf, there by way of a Chapter exchange program, quietly leaves the room.
No no,a Space Wolf’s way of killing a Space Marine is charging in like a mad man with his squad,and and come out with half his squad dead becuz they weren’t wearing their fucking helmets,and Aenoid’s way of killing is actual tactics like u said.
And here comes yet another proof of how shitty is HH series: in Horus Rising it's clearly stated that before the fight with the possessed Sons of Horus there NEVER was a fight between Marines.
Lorgar, the most loyal primarch was betrayed by the Emperor and Guilliman. The destruction of Monarchia allowed KP and Erebus to infect Lorgar's mind. The Calth tragedy is on the Emperor.
@@heathmcrigsby Lorgar was told numerous times to stop worshipping the Emperor by the Emperor himself. In his desperation for truth and a cause to believe in, he chose to worship Chaos. Lorgar was never under mind control nor corruption. He chose his path. The Emperor is an asshole, but free will is still a thing. The only Traitor Legion with any legit grievance is the Thousand Sons.
When you doubt that Guilliman is a badass...remember when confronted by a gloating Kor Phaeron trying to bring him over to the dark side, Bobby G's answer was to rip the guys heart right out of his chest!
The Battle of Calth was the most darkest moment for the Ultramarine Legion and their moment that they the Warriors of Ultramar will see the horrors of the Heresy in their own realm , and perhaps the key reason why they will never reach the Emperor in his most dire moment.
False. The darkest moment of Ultramarines history was when they got utterly destroyed by an alien species in the Great Crusade, before being reunited with their Primarch. Were they named Warborn at the time? 🤔
And this is why you don't piss off Gman 😂 he's a candidate for Khorne's champion when angry, and his anger isn't like Angron, he is still tactical even enraged 😂
If there is a single moment that forever swung the Heresy firmly in the favor of the Ruinous Powers it was the Calth Atrocity. To me, it is second only to the breach of the webway by Magnus, which consigned the Ten Thousand and the Emperor to a unwinnable war beneath the Imperial Palace, as the greatest death knell to the Emperor's grand dream and the beginning of the end. Calth and the resulting ruinstorm was the hammer blow that ensured that two of the remaining loyalist legions best equipped to break the siege and win the Solar War would not be able to stand upon Terra in it's darkest hour. The Ultramarines and Dark Angels were denied the chance to stand by the Emperor of Mankind against the forces of the Warmaster.
49:45 "Beware the paths of jealousy, hubris, and ego, for therein lies the path trodden by the Bearers of the Word. Their bitterness and resentment are eternal; there is no hope of salvation should you descend too deep into the mire. So take to honor, take to courage, and refuse to fall victim to the clutches of spite." Still goes hard as fuck and phrases like this one lift my spirits whenever i feel destroyed, thanks again.
Iron Hands might be my Legion of choice, but the XIIIth made that a very hard choice to make. If I had to sell all but one book in my Black Library collection, Know No Fear is what I would hold on to.
Iron Hands fan? They are not my very top choice but they are up there for sure in my list, I cross my fingers hoping GW will do something with them, anything, such a cool-looking legion/chapter with a lot of potential and almost nothing comes from it.
Alternative title The battle of Calth: the Galaxy's greatest temper tantrum Honestly probably one of my favorite HH books, but it took till I finished the book to really like it. It's one of those stories where everything comes together in the end
If i listen to this when i am in bed....i am awake to long. At work customers complain. Daytime....my cats resent me. I am a troubeld soul and there is only war.
@@sessy01 But in the face of the heretic, the mutant and the alien....its hard to do. Thank god , the " heretic" and the " mutant" are out for a stroll in the countryside.
Perfect narration, great music, best Legion. Supeb video :). I am happy that Black Library managed to give the Ultramarines so much more character with the 30k books.
Personally, one of the things I would have changed about Lorgar is his perceived cowardice. Erebus is the shadowy coward; Lorgar, especially when fuelled by zealotry should be one of the most blindly brave soldiers of The E/chaos gods. When getting beaten by Horus his zealous ideals should have fuelled a rage within him that would have given credence to him putting up a good fight vs Horus. I get him being a tortured soul beaten down by abuse, but that should lead into the zealous rage even more. Frankly, I want him to have a moment where he beats the crap out of Erebus and Kor Phaeron
Lorgar is continously bullied. By Horus. By Corax. By Guilliman. Everybody slap him as he starts throwing tantrums. But there's no bad lore, only bad authors.
@@NovaSoldier it’s so true. Certain Legions and characters get constantly jacked off 95% of the time; whilst some others get constantly written just to suck.
The source notice @ 49:15 is incorrect. Know No Fear is written by Dan Abnett. Probably confused with Betrayer that's written by Aaron Dembski-Bowden and also covers significant events of the Betrayal at Calth and the Shadow Crusade.
The best end to a great weekend. Downloading for enjoyment tomorrow. I'm all tuckered out from my Birthday lunch. I got so many amazing art tools. So tomorrow brothers I will be making mistakes, going over the lines, and not giving a single care to the worries of my head. Thank you Brothers, may you find peace if only for an hour. You are good enough 💯❤️😈🤖🫡🇬🇧
Calth explain's 40k's Imperium dystopian paranoia towards traitors. In less than a day a prospering planet is hit by multiple apocalypses, leaving it an irradiated dead rock orbited by debris.
Reminds me of how awesome Death of Hope by Mark Sparx was. The "God was real and he hated us.." line was the opening line that introduced me to the Horus Heresy. So many awesome quotes from around the Calth times, the other was the Word Bearer "take me from my home, and I will sail to the stars of your Empire..." monolog.
Very well done, very well done. powerful and gripping, had to use the bathroom half way through yet couldnt hit pause, had to finish it first 🤐. Look forward to seeing what you have next. epic.
The Lawrence OST along with other song pieces of Bloodborne are very fitting for the conniving and vile nature of 17th legion. Thank you Lord Rememberancer, have you thought about doing Souls lore videos or speaking of it in any way?
Lorgar: You know I’m not a stupid man Roboute. Also Lorgar: Betrayed his brothers, the people of the imperium and everything he once believed just to gain enough power to lock his windows so the scary bird can’t get inside.
@@NeloBladeOfRanni you mean one of the scariest primarchs (in more ways than one) that can see your moves before you make them. The primarch that even the lion struggled against, and not to mention Corvax already being worn down and tired while kurze was fresh, yeah that one?
I mean yeah, it was a classic Word Bearers dick move, but the Ultra Marines DID destroy Monarchia. Turnabout is fair play (minus the countless horrible repugnant things they did alongside it of course).
An empire laid waste, it's ruins a dedication to abyssal sigilite. 500 worlds drowned in blood, scoured by fire in revenge for fair Monarchia. - Eliphas the Inheritor It is not enough Inheritor! A Thousand Worlds will not repair such hurt, wound is in our souls where no solve can reach. - Achton
Its funny to me that a bunch of Word Bearers including Gal Vorbak were terrified of Guilliman. If memory serves he was almost killed by a squad of Alpha Legionnaires on Macragge in Unremembered Empire.
These events clearly show that Logar never adhered to his faith and could not accept the god emperor's request and failed miserably in his own test, and his revenge was really against wrong people. yes, without a doubt, he was an heretic and was not even loyal to his own religion. He turned to any god who fulfilled his wish. The only good thing that came out of his Legion was Anchorite, who truly believed in the God Emperor and spent his entire life for his believes. War with ultramarines, who were not planning and preparing for the war was really a cowardly and wrong act that brought the justified anger of lord of ultramar.
A lot of the OG lore of 40K Is based in other works including Dune, I think with that as a basis I assume the way The Emperor sees the future Is similar he catches glimpses, strands see different possible outcomes but has to figure out how to get there, I think he knew about a betrayal but did not know the full details; I think he alienated some of his sons, the less useful, the damaged and the ones unbendingly set in their ways, Lorgar included, but knowing the consequences of faith in the long run would mean in my opinion that would had to know also that Magnus and Horus would turn and I think those were two of the ones he intended to keep on his side. I accept though that the power might be random he could see with absolute clarity something a millennium away but see things through an extreme fog that are much closer in time.
Guilliman is the quiet guy you know at the office who will take alot of shit. But much like how fiery passion can turn into the hottest of rage, G-mans rage can equal and eclipse that of even Angron or even Sanguinius. And when he does.... well.... the word bearers learned just how mad he could get.
In FURTHER cosmic irony, Lorgar is such a treacherous bastard that he would later go on to try this EXACT same backstab with Horus at Ullinor. Everyone hates Erebus but it's Lorgar who's treachery knows no bounds or limits, as has betrays even his own brothers at whim. His hubris, selfishness, and callus indifference to all life makes him a bigger ahole than even Cruze. Cruze is outright sick in the head and his insanity is why he's the way he is. But The Aurilian, he's just vicious jerk, his ego never allowing for even the possibility he could have been wrong anywhere in his life. He turned on the Emperor because he couldn't admit he was wrong and blame Big E for everything. He turned on Horus because he refused to admit Horus might lose the war and blamed Horus for losing when Lorgar and bulk of his legion could have stayed and carried the day, esp when Perturabo bailed. At least Cruze paid for his sins with his life, while his brothers paid with their souls for their pacts to Chaos but Lorgar......Lorgar has not begun to pay for all he's done. If the Raven doesn't kill him, Guilliman deserves to end his toxic life. Lorgar long has it coming, and for all the treachery he's wrought, no traitor primarch is more deserving....
Lorgar tried to betray Horus because he foresaw that Horus refusal to truly submit to the gods would cause the assault on terra to fail and oh look he was right
@@NeloBladeOfRanni I would counter that Lorgar's betrayal was a self fulfilling prophesy. Had he remained by Horus, the full might of the Word Bearers legion and fleet (especially those two Furious Abyss class warships) might well have tipped the Siege in the favor of Chaos. Taking the bulk of his forces with him in retreat from Horus, deprived the Chaos forces of a considerable number of assets to throw at the Emperor and his defenders. Considering that Choas WARNED Horus, clearly they didn't see things the way he did. Though one could argue that the Ruinous Power never cared about Horus WINNING the war, only damaging the Imperium beyond all hope of recovery.
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I wrote an entire PowerPoint on why the XIII Legion is better than the Ultramarines Chapter, with Calth as my prime example. Can’t wait to see this video
Xlll is the ultramarines tho
Curious how do you reply to this 5 hours ago as this is posted 1 hour ago
Don’t worry bro I get what you mean
@@TridentShield22 The M40 Ultramarines Chapter Adeptus Astartes is a different thing to the M30 Crusade era XIII Legiones Astartes. The XIII Legion does not exist as an entity.
Did it just have slides of remus
Guilliman is so organized that even his death threat against Lorgar has bullet points
salute
Guilliman becoming enraged and tearing apart word bearers was peak fiction
And fight 2 primarchs also?
He needs not being enraged.
And then angron sharply rebuked " and they say I'm angry"
When the accountant finally had enough and reminded everyone that he's literally the son of a god
Sergeant Aenoid Thiel - "I've developed tactics and theory crafted ways to defeat other Space Marines, Sir."
Ultramarine Captain - "Not only is your scenario impossible, but it's also heretical. I'm going to censure you!"
A Space Wolf, there by way of a Chapter exchange program, quietly leaves the room.
No no,a Space Wolf’s way of killing a Space Marine is charging in like a mad man with his squad,and and come out with half his squad dead becuz they weren’t wearing their fucking helmets,and Aenoid’s way of killing is actual tactics like u said.
And here comes yet another proof of how shitty is HH series: in Horus Rising it's clearly stated that before the fight with the possessed Sons of Horus there NEVER was a fight between Marines.
@@_A.d.G_ do the Thousand Sons and Space Wolves ring a bell?
@@_A.d.G_ source?
@_A.d.G_ tell us you don't know 40k without telling us you don't know 40k
Lorgar: Look, this isn't personal. This is just business.
Roboute: Bullshit.
Lorgar, the most loyal primarch was betrayed by the Emperor and Guilliman. The destruction of Monarchia allowed KP and Erebus to infect Lorgar's mind. The Calth tragedy is on the Emperor.
@@heathmcrigsby Lorgar was told numerous times to stop worshipping the Emperor by the Emperor himself. In his desperation for truth and a cause to believe in, he chose to worship Chaos. Lorgar was never under mind control nor corruption. He chose his path. The Emperor is an asshole, but free will is still a thing. The only Traitor Legion with any legit grievance is the Thousand Sons.
80% of his fleet destroyed and robert is like "yeah this is definitely an accident" 😂
And then Lorgar realized that Guilliman didnt hate him or his beliefs when he was ordered to destroy Monarchia, but now he hated him with intensity.
It's a pretty sad moment. When you realize it wasn't hatred until now and now you know there is NOTHING you can say to undo that hatred.
"Our Father should have fed you to Russ!"
Emps: Well, that was definitely a Big Brained Move (Smug)
Lorgar: (Fucking ruins everything forever)
Emps: (Smugness ends, corpse noises begin)
Jazz noises stop, band looks in disgust.
When you doubt that Guilliman is a badass...remember when confronted by a gloating Kor Phaeron trying to bring him over to the dark side, Bobby G's answer was to rip the guys heart right out of his chest!
He asked to for his heart and robute proceeded to rip his out and wear it on his sleeve.
The Battle of Calth was the most darkest moment for the Ultramarine Legion and their moment that they the Warriors of Ultramar will see the horrors of the Heresy in their own realm , and perhaps the key reason why they will never reach the Emperor in his most dire moment.
Is this a quote?
False. The darkest moment of Ultramarines history was when they got utterly destroyed by an alien species in the Great Crusade, before being reunited with their Primarch. Were they named Warborn at the time? 🤔
"He should have fed you to Russ" always hits me hard 😂😂😂
And this is why you don't piss off Gman 😂 he's a candidate for Khorne's champion when angry, and his anger isn't like Angron, he is still tactical even enraged 😂
*angrily files paperwork*
@@I_am-lost.angrily types reports into Microsoft Excel
@@shimazutakuma1031 Fulgrim: I have a word or two, about that.
Lol oh no the angry rowboat girlyman
God yes here we go! Another Remembrancer masterpiece!
Hey its you
This art work is legit.
If there is a single moment that forever swung the Heresy firmly in the favor of the Ruinous Powers it was the Calth Atrocity. To me, it is second only to the breach of the webway by Magnus, which consigned the Ten Thousand and the Emperor to a unwinnable war beneath the Imperial Palace, as the greatest death knell to the Emperor's grand dream and the beginning of the end.
Calth and the resulting ruinstorm was the hammer blow that ensured that two of the remaining loyalist legions best equipped to break the siege and win the Solar War would not be able to stand upon Terra in it's darkest hour. The Ultramarines and Dark Angels were denied the chance to stand by the Emperor of Mankind against the forces of the Warmaster.
Just finished reading The First Heretic. This build up with the Word Bearers after Istvaan 5 is captivating to say the least.
49:45 "Beware the paths of jealousy, hubris, and ego, for therein lies the path trodden by the Bearers of the Word. Their bitterness and resentment are eternal; there is no hope of salvation should you descend too deep into the mire. So take to honor, take to courage, and refuse to fall victim to the clutches of spite."
Still goes hard as fuck and phrases like this one lift my spirits whenever i feel destroyed, thanks again.
Iron Hands might be my Legion of choice, but the XIIIth made that a very hard choice to make.
If I had to sell all but one book in my Black Library collection, Know No Fear is what I would hold on to.
Iron Hands fan? They are not my very top choice but they are up there for sure in my list, I cross my fingers hoping GW will do something with them, anything, such a cool-looking legion/chapter with a lot of potential and almost nothing comes from it.
Guilliman of ultramar is coming right at them, RIGHT AT THEM, 😬got shivers on that
Alternative title
The battle of Calth: the Galaxy's greatest temper tantrum
Honestly probably one of my favorite HH books, but it took till I finished the book to really like it. It's one of those stories where everything comes together in the end
Hearing Bloodborne music in a 40k video was a unexpected surprise but a welcome one
One image lives rent free in my head when thinking about Calth, and that's of pissed off Guilliman.
Nothing is more frightening that when a good man loses himself to anger in the wake of betrayal.
You really nailed the Lorgar voice
If i listen to this when i am in bed....i am awake to long. At work customers complain. Daytime....my cats resent me. I am a troubeld soul and there is only war.
a good night's rest is a precious commodity. get it where you can
@@sessy01 But in the face of the heretic, the mutant and the alien....its hard to do. Thank god , the " heretic" and the " mutant" are out for a stroll in the countryside.
You poor man, can’t enjoy the glory of the imperium anywhere. My twin hearts bleed for you.
@danielapel1976 for everything else, there's recaff
@@sessy01 Recaff....is made from people with ADHS.
This is the best commentary i have heard
Was hoping this would help me sleep but every sentence has me more and more awake
Better than the lore videos i have to pay for on warhammer tv it is amazing
32:02 Kor Phaeron "UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!"
A JCB that can move it's limbs at the speed of sound coming at you is an exciting thing to think of
What is a JCB?
@@explosion5672 a type of construction vehicle usually huge and powerful
@@Matthew-is7zs thank you
There's a story of how bad resupply and logistics got in the underground war. "The bolt shell rattles inside my gauntlet" but it's title escapes me.
Gulliman demanded to know where in the lore it says Primarchs need to breath and rules lawyered his way to victory on the spine of his own flagship
As a master of a Night Lords army ... i could lisson all day to Guilliman killing world bearers, makes me smile a lot :D
I truly truly do love your content about 40k I didnt even know that big E made the whole word bearer chapter kneel
Perfect narration, great music, best Legion. Supeb video :). I am happy that Black Library managed to give the Ultramarines so much more character with the 30k books.
I'm literally hook to your voice and narrative style. Definitely one of the best lore chanel
Personally, one of the things I would have changed about Lorgar is his perceived cowardice. Erebus is the shadowy coward; Lorgar, especially when fuelled by zealotry should be one of the most blindly brave soldiers of The E/chaos gods.
When getting beaten by Horus his zealous ideals should have fuelled a rage within him that would have given credence to him putting up a good fight vs Horus.
I get him being a tortured soul beaten down by abuse, but that should lead into the zealous rage even more.
Frankly, I want him to have a moment where he beats the crap out of Erebus and Kor Phaeron
Lorgar is continously bullied.
By Horus. By Corax. By Guilliman. Everybody slap him as he starts throwing tantrums.
But there's no bad lore, only bad authors.
At the end of the day, the worst enemy of Lorgar is the BL authors
@@NovaSoldier it’s so true. Certain Legions and characters get constantly jacked off 95% of the time; whilst some others get constantly written just to suck.
The last part is pure gold
Just noticed that you had Lawrence the First Vicar playing in the beginning. Clever and fitting.
This was bloody EXCELLENT!!! Well done lads top marks 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The source notice @ 49:15 is incorrect. Know No Fear is written by Dan Abnett.
Probably confused with Betrayer that's written by Aaron Dembski-Bowden and also covers significant events of the Betrayal at Calth and the Shadow Crusade.
The best end to a great weekend. Downloading for enjoyment tomorrow. I'm all tuckered out from my Birthday lunch. I got so many amazing art tools.
So tomorrow brothers I will be making mistakes, going over the lines, and not giving a single care to the worries of my head.
Thank you Brothers, may you find peace if only for an hour.
You are good enough 💯❤️😈🤖🫡🇬🇧
This is one of my favourite ones so far good job
Ohh noooooo when i heard " calth atrocity" you know its going to be rough lolololol
GREAT INTRO!!! and the rest of thr video!! Thank you so much
Calth explain's 40k's Imperium dystopian paranoia towards traitors. In less than a day a prospering planet is hit by multiple apocalypses, leaving it an irradiated dead rock orbited by debris.
Man, you been putting out some phenomenal viddys at a break-neck pace. Thank you for your dedicated hard work.
Reminds me of how awesome Death of Hope by Mark Sparx was. The "God was real and he hated us.." line was the opening line that introduced me to the Horus Heresy. So many awesome quotes from around the Calth times, the other was the Word Bearer "take me from my home, and I will sail to the stars of your Empire..." monolog.
Oh, the absolute irony that I had *JUST* finished reading "Know No Fear" by Dan Abnett when I got the notification on this vid!
Excellence once again Thank You Brother 👍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 40:35
32:40 get powerfisted lmao
That sounds so wrong.😂😂
Only one sgt has the guts to raid guillimans only weaponry while awaiting sentence
Average Erabus fan: Calth was self-defense
Erabus?... Fan? They exist?
@@jonathanwaymann9018they cower in the same shadows that Salamander haters and False Primarch endorsers do
@@jonathanwaymann9018 they do and they only exist to piss others off.
@jonathanwaymann9018 of course they exist. There's always going to be "edgy" people 😂
Erebus (flay his foul soul) had a few "fans", they have been made to repent.
Incredible tale Mr. Thank you so much ✌️
I somehow never knew Gman was in the vaccum for 10 hrs. I figured it was a few minutes which is still impressive but damn.
Straight away, Logar's just words when his story was just beginning.
Been catching up on my lore since playing Hell Divers 2. To me that game would have an epic Warhammer crossover.
Very well done, very well done. powerful and gripping, had to use the bathroom half way through yet couldnt hit pause, had to finish it first 🤐. Look forward to seeing what you have next. epic.
Imagine a kill team with your primarch! Balls or pure terran steel! ❤ the ultramarines are the the chads
Nice English Civil War reference in that painting. I would expect nothing less.
OK yeah, Bravo. This was great
Let us know if you need a break you’ve been giving us vids like crazy
17:28 The Battle of Calth are Ultramarines at their best and I will not accept any other substitute
Excellent work. Thank you.
The Lawrence OST along with other song pieces of Bloodborne are very fitting for the conniving and vile nature of 17th legion.
Thank you Lord Rememberancer, have you thought about doing Souls lore videos or speaking of it in any way?
Yes finally the calth I’ve been waiting for this
Great work. Loving the march!
conducted a suprise attack but still lost a war
#FuckErebus
God didnt hate us, He just hated you Lorgar He hated you like a Smurf likes to over polish his armour
The white-blue outfit of the World Eaters?
Thank you
I enjoyed so much reading the UM getting their comuppances
That was very, very good. Thank you!
That first paragraph. . . Just wow
Lorgar: You know I’m not a stupid man Roboute.
Also Lorgar: Betrayed his brothers, the people of the imperium and everything he once believed just to gain enough power to lock his windows so the scary bird can’t get inside.
You mean the same scary bird man who ran like a little girl from fighting Lorgar the moment someone who can actually fight entered the fight (Kurze)
@@NeloBladeOfRanni
Sorry, I’m not fluent in H E R E S Y
@@NeloBladeOfRanni you mean one of the scariest primarchs (in more ways than one) that can see your moves before you make them. The primarch that even the lion struggled against, and not to mention Corvax already being worn down and tired while kurze was fresh, yeah that one?
Right off the bat, an Astartes with a knife at presumably a normal man's neck.
I swear the Horus Heresy/ Great Crusade saga would be a great movie/series. Roboute Guilliman the best primarch.
Well done sir!
Excellent ending....awesome & creepy
I love your work brother.
50:14 what is this music at the end i need it
Man, I have to read that book now.
Bro this is top tier vid
Best story of defiance in 40k imo
I mean yeah, it was a classic Word Bearers dick move, but the Ultra Marines DID destroy Monarchia. Turnabout is fair play (minus the countless horrible repugnant things they did alongside it of course).
What an introduction!
An empire laid waste, it's ruins a dedication to abyssal sigilite. 500 worlds drowned in blood, scoured by fire in revenge for fair Monarchia. - Eliphas the Inheritor
It is not enough Inheritor! A Thousand Worlds will not repair such hurt, wound is in our souls where no solve can reach. - Achton
Its funny to me that a bunch of Word Bearers including Gal Vorbak were terrified of Guilliman. If memory serves he was almost killed by a squad of Alpha Legionnaires on Macragge in Unremembered Empire.
I feel Guilliman's rage towards the trahison of Calth
These events clearly show that Logar never adhered to his faith and could not accept the god emperor's request and failed miserably in his own test, and his revenge was really against wrong people. yes, without a doubt, he was an heretic and was not even loyal to his own religion.
He turned to any god who fulfilled his wish. The only good thing that came out of his Legion was Anchorite, who truly believed in the God Emperor and spent his entire life for his believes.
War with ultramarines, who were not planning and preparing for the war was really a cowardly and wrong act that brought the justified anger of lord of ultramar.
I think the emperor meant for this to happen. He knew that, to defeat the gods he would need to become one. He manipulated Lorgars religiousness.
A lot of the OG lore of 40K Is based in other works including Dune, I think with that as a basis I assume the way The Emperor sees the future Is similar he catches glimpses, strands see different possible outcomes but has to figure out how to get there, I think he knew about a betrayal but did not know the full details; I think he alienated some of his sons, the less useful, the damaged and the ones unbendingly set in their ways, Lorgar included, but knowing the consequences of faith in the long run would mean in my opinion that would had to know also that Magnus and Horus would turn and I think those were two of the ones he intended to keep on his side. I accept though that the power might be random he could see with absolute clarity something a millennium away but see things through an extreme fog that are much closer in time.
Guilliman is the quiet guy you know at the office who will take alot of shit. But much like how fiery passion can turn into the hottest of rage, G-mans rage can equal and eclipse that of even Angron or even Sanguinius. And when he does.... well.... the word bearers learned just how mad he could get.
I hope corux gets to lorgars heart and uses it as a trophy
Rip and tear until it is done.
I thought the quote at the start of the video was attributed to Cyrene Valantion rather than Lorgar
The Red Wedding of WH40K
In FURTHER cosmic irony, Lorgar is such a treacherous bastard that he would later go on to try this EXACT same backstab with Horus at Ullinor. Everyone hates Erebus but it's Lorgar who's treachery knows no bounds or limits, as has betrays even his own brothers at whim. His hubris, selfishness, and callus indifference to all life makes him a bigger ahole than even Cruze. Cruze is outright sick in the head and his insanity is why he's the way he is. But The Aurilian, he's just vicious jerk, his ego never allowing for even the possibility he could have been wrong anywhere in his life. He turned on the Emperor because he couldn't admit he was wrong and blame Big E for everything. He turned on Horus because he refused to admit Horus might lose the war and blamed Horus for losing when Lorgar and bulk of his legion could have stayed and carried the day, esp when Perturabo bailed.
At least Cruze paid for his sins with his life, while his brothers paid with their souls for their pacts to Chaos but Lorgar......Lorgar has not begun to pay for all he's done. If the Raven doesn't kill him, Guilliman deserves to end his toxic life. Lorgar long has it coming, and for all the treachery he's wrought, no traitor primarch is more deserving....
Lorgar tried to betray Horus because he foresaw that Horus refusal to truly submit to the gods would cause the assault on terra to fail and oh look he was right
@@NeloBladeOfRanni I would counter that Lorgar's betrayal was a self fulfilling prophesy. Had he remained by Horus, the full might of the Word Bearers legion and fleet (especially those two Furious Abyss class warships) might well have tipped the Siege in the favor of Chaos. Taking the bulk of his forces with him in retreat from Horus, deprived the Chaos forces of a considerable number of assets to throw at the Emperor and his defenders.
Considering that Choas WARNED Horus, clearly they didn't see things the way he did. Though one could argue that the Ruinous Power never cared about Horus WINNING the war, only damaging the Imperium beyond all hope of recovery.
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What? But... how?? Don't they have insane medical science?
i hope theres a part two
They call it a betrayal but truth is it's justice.
Justice is Colchis burnt to ashes.
By the Ultramarines.