@Rtkts More down to Leger's delivery. It's just the _way_ he says it, almost ... _confused_ as to why the question's being asked. It carries an unspoken, "I'm _here,_ aren't I?"
@@nickwilliams8302 I like this comment, but would add that it's not more of a confused response to the question moreso than a snap at the fact that everyone else is stealing from them so why not. This holds more true once he goes into his "rewind the clocks back" speech.
Very 1st episode of Batman Beyond cartoon Joker gang lead Terry (main character) to Wayne Manor (he is chasing them on a motorbike).... He skids and crashes in front of Bruce and one of them threatens both Bruce and Terry and says they are the Jokerz...then he looks at his friend and says "let's put a smile on that facce..." while flipping around a small switchblade knife exactly like what Heath Ledger did! Except one thing this show aired in the early 2000s....
@@TrichsRUs Heath had the luxury of being full blown Joker with clout and power. But Phoenix was better at the acting. The depth he delivered from. I mean you could see him change in the blink of an eye and it wasn't just facial but physically. Ledger was basically just one extremely well played character and I'm not talking anything away from this performance I LOVE it. I just got more from Phoenix. It was that phenomenal a performance. It's not really a contest though. At least got a huge palette cleanse for Leto...
The emphasis on the 'T' when the Joker replies "No I'm not" to the "You're crazy" is a masterful piece of dialogue delivery for me. It says to me that the Joker is not simply refuting the insult, he is stating for an unarguable fact that he is not crazy. Whenever he is insulted, we see the Joker glare at someone, point or replies with an insult of his own "...group therapy sessions.", which go along with the pencil trick to show he is not to be messed with. The writing and delivery are why we'll be talking about this film and this scene for decades.
“A guy like me....” “Freak.” That was when Joker decided to kill the guy. “I want to hear proposition.” And that’s when he decides to kill that guy last.
In the scene where he kills the Russian mob leader, he at least offers his life in exchange for his men. Of course he denied it, so he fed him to the dogs to take them anyway.
I remember myself after watching this movie thinking I may have liked the villain better than the hero for the first time. Briilliant portrayal by Ledger.
How they were silenced by his laugh. His slow entrance .No violence ,no threats ,no bang , but he still commanded their complete attention immediately.. no dialogue
"Give the audience what they want, just not how they expect it." I've never actually heard that golden rule before. Very thought provoking and makes me reflect on my own writing. Thank you. I did, indeed, learn something from this.
A much better and sound advice indeed than the average "avoid this and this Trope because they are just bad and predictable' from many creative writing videos and articles. I prefer anytime an expected but witty and engaging scene than a poorly written plot twist.
It's nice that there are so many videos about the Joker from the Dark Knight, because I could honestly spend an entire day listening to all of them haha
Watching that scene really made me realize that Ledger was genuinely funny as the Joker. And it works brilliantly, he’s not this laugh out loud cartoon character, sort of like he was when the comics code didn’t allow violence, but here his form of comedy is dryer than expected, its understated and almost sarcastic.
The look in Joker's eyes, the way he leers, cackles, its hard to believe it's Heath Ledger, terrifying. You cannot stop watching his performance, it takes over.
OMG YAAAAAAS I've finally found someone that appreciates this scene the way I do! The pause he gave when called a freak and crazy are what I loved about this scene. So much depth in his emotion!
Excellent analysis! I especially enjoyed the two moments you mentioned when Joker was enraged by being called "freak" and "crazy", since (a) this is a radical departure from previous incarnations of the Joker (as you mentioned) and (b) the accusation of insanity denigrates and belittles his crusade, just as it would for Batman. This made me think of a similiar dialogue between Daredevil and Punisher when they first meet on the rooftop in the second season of "Daredevil". Before confronting the Punisher, Daredevil just dismissed him as a nutjob with guns, and Punisher just dismissed him as one more obstacle to his crusade. No more or less significant than that. After calling the Punisher "unhinged" during their argument, however, the Punisher visibly became enraged because the idea that Frank might just be mentally ill figuratively spits in his face. Like the Joker, Frank sees himself as the protagonist, putting his military skills to use to rid the world of as many criminals as he possibly can before being taken out himself, so that no other innocent people have to lose their loved ones like he did. Abstract principles and nobler ambitions become psychologized and small in the eyes of those same people Joker and Punisher are trying to convince. It's an attack on their value judgments, ironically the same kind of attack Joker gleefully uses on Batman to belittle HIS crusade.
Thanks @savagebooks I’m currently writing a graphic novel with an Art Deco/steampunk aesthetic and your videos are teaching me new skills & giving me great ideas (in my opinion they are great lmao)
I want to add something at 9:38-9:50 The dig that Joker makes at Gamble and his response to it takes on a different meaning when you take in the context of Joker's "out" for this stunt. He knows that he can get out unharmed and the pencil trick has shown that he is both prone to and unafraid of violence. He stumbles momentarily from Gamble's jab and being called crazy and immediately gets a rise out of Gamble so he can use his out. He has made his case and has nothing further to say, so staying longer would just increase his own risk. This monitored behavior all points to the control that Joker maintains throughout his interactions not only with the mob, but also those with the GCPD and even Batman. Regardless of what he says about chaos and his "guiding philosophies," if we can call them that, he always seems to know how people around him will react to his actions. He seems to indeed have limited access to "the authentic" in some, even many people. It's either an impressive bit of characterization or I'm just rambling about nonsense, who knows?
"Give the audience what they want, just not how they expect it". If only Rian Johnson prescribed to such an infallible rule of writing. Instead, he seemed to get off on doing *the exact opposite* of this. Muh subverted expectations.
That's exactly how I felt about his work in Star Wars. Like i always agreed with him about how the series should go in a different direction but his execution was terrible, lazy and lacked sympathy for the fans. There wasn't a complete lack of it, but there was this gaping hole where a lot of anger seemed to stem from?
Ontologically Steve You know, when I first heard about Johnson’s Law, I didn’t think it was that serious, but after reading this comment, I’m starting to think it’s true. Eventually, no matter what, for whatever reason, TLJ will be brought up in a comment section. Freaking fantastic. 😒
@@SemiProHawk707 Yep. People are so salty that it must always burn and beg to be let out in the form of incoherent, self-indulgent rants. OP cites a relevant quotation, then does a perfect 180 to be entirely wrong oof
One of my favourite films of all time! And you've just made it even better as I've never thought of the scene from a editor's point of view/ persepective. Great video pal. Keep up the great work and take care!
Good video. I want to point out that Joker exceutes a very elaborate bank heist, a very elaborate triple murder, a very elaborate two hostage situation and very elaborate cruise ship situation. Quite elaborate thing for a guy who "does not have a plan"
I interpreted that line as meaning that he didn't have any large-scale plan, or any end-goal. Yes, he made small-scale plans, but he only planned a few steps ahead, and could quickly adapt his plans to changing circumstances (of course, realistically, most of his plans would be impossible unless he could see the future). Hence his line "I think you and I are destined to do this forever". Joker doesn't have and end goal, so he can never really win, which means he will never stop.
"Why don’t we cut you up into little pieces and feed you to your pooches? Hmm? And then we’ll see how loyal a hungry dog really is." One of my favorite parts
That line also gives insight into his philosophy - he thinks that he can break people down to their lowest level, then turn them loose like starving a dog. For some people, like Dent, it worked. For others, like the passengers of both boats, he failed miserably.
One of my favorite scenes of all time. Usually, at the top of my mind, this is probably my ALL TIME favorites, but i might think of others if i spent some time on it
the aspect of the jokers pov makes it unimaginable to make out this critical mystery as though “who is the joker”. This scene shows a wide range of metaphors that are expanded using show not tell, during this incident, the minor conflicts makes it even but rare to find the jokers name or anything except his characteristics which is shown explicitly for the entire duration of this legendary scene
how the Joker first enters the room, with that long laugh (which is non-verbal communication and as such can reach the audience on a deeper level), only followed by 'and I thought my jokes were bad'. that's genius right there, thought I'd mention it because it is how this scene begins and I believe it is crucial to everything that follows. great content!
Another cool piece I noticed about the scene w dent in the hospital: while he’s telling him to pull the trigger, jokers finger is held firmly over the trigger. If he pulls the trigger the hammer wouldn’t fall, so it’s kind of like the joker is just giving the illusion of choice
The scene where he has Harvey point the gun at his head isn't him taking his own possible death as a joke. He has his finger between the trigger and the guard to prevent Harvey from pulling the trigger. He gave Harvey the illusion of a choice to kill him at that time.
Can you make a analysis of the introduction of Raoul Silva in Skyfall, the dialogue between James bond and Raoul was my favorite scene, a think it would be a great video to discuss. Love your videos keep it up.
I wonder how a conversation between the Joker and Tywin Lannister would turn out. Both being great at being the dominant party in a conversation but one is manipulative and orderly while the other is chaotic and unpredictable.
Tywin probably wouldn’t even entertain the idea of a conversation with the Joker, if he knew about his character. He’d probably see him as a dangerous wildcard and would want him out of the way as soon as possible. That being said, a conversation between the two would be pretty cool.
This was the scene that I first knew Ledger was going to own the film. Actually, from the very first laugh before we even see him enter the room, I was sold. One of those vivid theater going moments.
I think the biggest misconception of the Joker in this film is he's "chaotic" in the sense that he doesn't know what he's doing. And everything that he shows in his scenes is that he's letting people believe that. Like the man here said, he's wildly unpredictable. But it's VERY planned out. Which is why he's a match for Batman.
You did a very good job of explaining how the writers did the scene. The interrogation scene probably is my favorite the reason this is the greatest comic book movie ever is because it’s not just the best comic book movie ever it’s one of the best movies to ever come out that’s what separates it from other comic book movies
"Give the audience what they want, just not how they expect it" THANK YOU There's been soooo much 'sUbVeRsiOn oF eXpEcTaTiOn' in media lately where they just flat out insult the audience or do something else that nobody likes, and then go "Hah, see, I made you feel things. My work is a masterpiece" that hearing it worded like this makes me feel better.
The laugh as he fell from the building was because he thought he'd broken Batman, he thought he'd gotten Gotham's symbol of hope to break his own rules, Joker thought he had won, that's one of the reasons he groans as he's being hauled up by his ankle.
In fairness, I think you could argue that the joker represents chaos in general, but also has an order based side to him that you can argue serves his greater goal of making things chaotic (Yeah, sounds contradictory, but hear me out) He does appear random, but everything he does in the movie is linear and goal driven. He would never "throw the golden apple" just to cause a stir. He may revel in causing chaos and uncertainty to everybody else, but I think on another level he's also a control freak. Aside from the more intangible evidence, I've always thought that in the dent hospital scene, despite claiming anarchy, he keeps his thumb on the guns hammer. He wasn't there to gloat, or toy. Harvey was (maybe an improv, but still) a part of his plan. So he manipulated the whole thing to get what he wanted. Namely another villain for bats. He's like a recursive error. He wants chaos, but meticulously plans for it. Then he gets some chaos, and has to manage it on the fly.......so that it will produce more chaos. Walking contradiction. And I do like the theory that he's spec ops. Maybe there's a battle between two parts of his makeup, and he's just figured a way to use em both.
Just a heads up. Joker actually holds the hammer of the gun that is pointing to his own head when talking to Harvey. This dismisses the part "that he doesn't care about his life" but enforces that he actually "is ahead of the curve".
The joker is in Batman’s mind so in a sense you can’t have one without the other It’s he’s morbid dangerous side due to the ptsd he developed after watching his parents being killed As he becomes a vigilant hero he separates his evil-Joker becomes to be and they can’t be separated and they don’t really explain much behind their relationship except they need each other to survive
If the scene never gets old then apparently neither does the comment. Is there a cut off on comments before you don't reply? 1 week? A month? An eternity? As for the typo.... big deal.
How did he make the pencil stick into the table and then jam the eraser end through someone’s skull? I feel like the guy should have backed off and been like, “My eye! There’s a pencil in my eye!”
@@jacktilghman9797 not taking the lies people tell themselves seriously, the masks we wear... but he's deadly fucking serious about that. ofc, it's a fictional character so it'll mean different things to every observer: that's just my view ^^
Im sure other people have mentioned this, but I noticed that whenever a villain in each of the movies beat Batman in their first respective confrontations, they make a pun: Batman Begins- "You need to lighten up" and then Scarecrow lights Batman on fire The Dark Knight- "Let her go" "Very poor choice of words" and then let's her go The Dark Knight Rises- "I was wondering what would break first- your spirit or your body" and then Bane breaks Batman's back
The line about Gambol’s grandma was so juvenile, but subtly brilliant. The Joker was gauging Gambol’s reaction to get some background info on him. This explains why he told him the abusive-father-scar-story later on. Men with influential grandmothers typically have absent fathers. The Joker was insanely good at reading people.
Men with influential grandmothers typically have absent fathers. now where in the freakin hell did u dig that ? It's totally my life's story lol feels weird to read your life as such :P
@@sobreaver Well, I'd assume it came with some research, too. After all, Joker knew where to find the mob money and which bills were marked. So he likely already knew Gambol had been raised by his grandmother, and was using the line more just to gauge Gambol's reaction. Would he be protective of his grandmother or dismissive?
Show, don't tell. Suicide Squad thinks character development is Amanda Waller telling the audience who the characters are. The Dark Knight showed us who The Joker is through his actions and interactions with other characters.
Agreed, and I think the problem stems from the fact that Suicide Squad is an ensemble piece, which means they have to shoehorn in as much information as possible in as short a time as possible.
@@mrkrunch4340 It relates to one of the biggest failures of the DCEU. They never took the time to develop their characters the way the MCU did. They think throwing a bunch of big names into a movie is gonna make us care about them.
The way Ledger "dead eyes" everyone he looks at except Batman. It's as if each person he looks at is dead already and not really relevant..... watch it again and look at his eyes..... brilliant.
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@meaturama The Lego Batman Movie effortlessly captures the whole dynamic of the Batman/Joker relationship perfectly. I'm not even joking. People dismiss it out of hand because its Lego, but Lego Batman is much closer to canonical Batman than you might think. Also it remembers a time when Batman had a unique comedy potential, and the Movie has endless examples of 'in' jokes, without becoming even nearly played for laughs. Oh, and even though Dark Knight is a great Movie, it stops short of Donkey punching you right in the feels. Lego Batman is every bit a 'proper' Batman movie. And a lot better than 'some' Batman movies with many times the budget. The ways that the rest of the JLA laugh behind his back, and don't invite him to Parties. . . Or the way Bruce Wayne casually adopts a young Robin, instantly forgetting about it the next day. Robin.~ "Oh boy, what are the chances of that? Batman living in Daddy Bruce's cellar?" Batman.~ "Actually, Bruce Wayne lives in MY attic" Yeah, and they both have Bats n their Belfry.
@@meredithleavitt5815 It appears that you lack the intellectual capability to philosophically-dissect (and appreciate) film as an art form. Thus the reason you felt intimidated by the comment from whence this thread was perpetuated. Criticizing what you don't (or cannot) comprehend is really a criticism of yourself. Your comment said more about *you* than the person it was directed at.
He's not serious about joining them. He gives them a playing card to contact him. They have no power over anything he does. He is as mercurial as the card implies.
Joker is just a cunning psychopath and pathological liar. By telling people he doesnt scheme. That lie right there could be considered a scheme itself. He WANTS you to think that he is some sort of agent of chaos. The fact that he had layers upon layers of plans and tactics hidden in chaotic sight. Shows how truly deadly his mind is. He is able to plan within that confusion and panic. However Joker does understand what Batman was able to do not alot of others could do. Batman was able to rule through fear. Batman struck fear in the hearts and minds of would be criminals. As a vigilante. Both Vigilante and antagonist operated outside of conventional law. Except he understands. So all this boils down to the lesser of two evils. Despite batman being a HERO to most people. He is still viewed as a criminal especially how he accepted Jokers crime and became a villain himself. This batman had to lie just like how joker is a liar in order to keep Order and retain Harvey's dignity. A villain who is evil and destruction. A villain who is willing to persecution and defend Gotham and it's people.
@@doomslayer5191 , all valid.points. Joker, for one, IS "a schemer", although he would argue he's not. Batman is, just as Joker said, "There's no going back." and "Outta some self-righteousness", which is true. Joker "SEES" All of this. Joker is in fact, a genius in this movie. A maniacal, psychotic, psychopathic genius, but a genius nonetheless. He even tempts Batman to kill him: "C'mon. C'mon. I wantcha to do it. I wantcha to do it. Hit me. Hit me.", because he ALREADY knows, or at least he's nearly certain at this point that Batman Won't kill him; this act of him "tempting" Batman, and the results, solidifies Joker's KNOWING, or again, his "guestimating with certainty" that Batman Won't kill him. And, this, in turn, gives Joker his forever-battling-yet-never-killing nemesis: His pardon the expression, "Dark Knight" to the "Clown Prince of Crime" AKA, Joker.
"You know how I got these scars?" "No. But I know how you got these..." *throws off roof* I still don't think the Joker laughed because he was thrown off of a building. I think he was laughing because Batman just told him a joke.
It was a tribute to The Killing Joke comic ending....where Joker tells Batman a joke and next panel it's unclear weather or not Batman goes insane and strangles Joker to death.
Daniel Cooke cool, Thanks! I’ve always wanted to read that comic. Thanks for ruining the end for me hahahahaha. Although I suppose the statute of limitations for spoilers is lonnnng over.
A lot of the lines were changed by Ledger. The writers were part of the masterpiece that is the Joker, but Ledger was the Mastermind that gave us this golden performance.
@@finnheisenheim8274 I don't think so, The Batman films would be really profitable but it's an entire universe, I don't think JUST Heath Ledger can carry all those films by himself.
Mck Finn this was just perfect chemistry CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE IF THIS JEPT GOING , maaan DC WOULD HAVE TOOKEN A SHARP TURN , I would say it would’ve been Marvel Level Because I doubt the justice league actors wouldn’t even be the same
Sure he's the "star" in the colloquial sense, but he is not the protagonist. He is the agent of change for Batman an Gotham, a brilliant antagonist. No doubt a star though.
I've never seen an actor disappear into his character the same way Heath disappeared into the joker. Batman was good but the joker completely stole the show
I always thought the Joker was laughing when he gets thrown off the building because he thinks he just won. He finally broke Batman and made him break his one rule, which was to kill someone (even if it’s himself). Rewatch that final scene, when Batman’s grapple gun catches and saves him, the Joker groans, /annoyed/ and he says “YOU... You just couldn’t let me go, could you”
Celso deJesus II - Yeah you’re right but it’s still a good scene. It’s also the Jokers last scene in the film so if he just groaned and that was it it might’ve been a bit anti climactic. I love how he says “I think you and I are destined to do this for a very long time,” I feel like that’s kind of a clever joke cause they’re probably always going to be making comics of Batman chasing after the Joker
- Walks in - makes fun of a crime syndicate, - kills a henchman, - disrespects and intimidates them, - picks the weakest group to kill later as an example not to challenge him, - tricks them into helping him, - leaves. What. A. Boss.
Except that he does all of this by playing on the threat of Batman so really he's just cunning and batman is the boss. Although in the comics Joker kinda makes batman his bitch so...
@@nickwiley9647 I don't know if it was that, so much as that Gambol wasn't buying Joker's schtick and wanted revenge for his dead henchman. So Joker had to show his dominance by removing the one guy in the group likely to stand up to him.
Ledger’s take on the Joker made us crave more and wanting to see more of him, and whenever he appeared on screen you couldn’t take your eyes off him. Such a stunning performance and the fact that it was such an original take on the character and created entirely by him shows what a genius he was
Absolutely. And when you see that a guy like Christian Bale had immense respect for him as an actor and as a friend, you know that he must have had something special too. Bale does not strike me as the type to easily show respect for another actor.
The fact that he is bothered by people calling him crazy is actually realistic. The more insane a person gets the more that person thinks he is getting saner
Alex I don’t heath ledgers joker was insane, if he was he definitely wouldn’t have been able to carry out his plans and be as intelligent as he is in the movie
"You think you can steal from us and just walk away?"
*"Yeah"*
I was just about to comment the same thing.
@Rtkts
More down to Leger's delivery. It's just the _way_ he says it, almost ... _confused_ as to why the question's being asked. It carries an unspoken, "I'm _here,_ aren't I?"
@@nickwilliams8302 I like this comment, but would add that it's not more of a confused response to the question moreso than a snap at the fact that everyone else is stealing from them so why not. This holds more true once he goes into his "rewind the clocks back" speech.
A line from the cartoon Batman Beyond
Very 1st episode of Batman Beyond cartoon Joker gang lead Terry (main character) to Wayne Manor (he is chasing them on a motorbike).... He skids and crashes in front of Bruce and one of them threatens both Bruce and Terry and says they are the Jokerz...then he looks at his friend and says "let's put a smile on that facce..." while flipping around a small switchblade knife exactly like what Heath Ledger did! Except one thing this show aired in the early 2000s....
Salary negotiation 101.
"How much do you want?"
"Uh... Half"
That’s what you do when you act interested but don’t want the job lol
Well that's exactly what Disney did
@@23lijah50 well too bad their use of it blowed spider-man out of the MCU
All of it
Actual Joker would take all of it
Joaquin is Arthur Fleck, but Heath is still the Joker.
Naw. I loved Heath but Phoenix was phenomenal and a better Joker once he transcended Arthur.
TC Joaquin did a great job, but he was only the joker at the end of the movie and had no scene with the Dark Knight. “You complete me” -Joker
@@TrichsRUs And? He was still by far the better actor. In my opinion.
TC I think Heath played the better “character”, while Joaquin told the better story.
@@TrichsRUs Heath had the luxury of being full blown Joker with clout and power. But Phoenix was better at the acting. The depth he delivered from. I mean you could see him change in the blink of an eye and it wasn't just facial but physically. Ledger was basically just one extremely well played character and I'm not talking anything away from this performance I LOVE it. I just got more from Phoenix. It was that phenomenal a performance. It's not really a contest though. At least got a huge palette cleanse for Leto...
The emphasis on the 'T' when the Joker replies "No I'm not" to the "You're crazy" is a masterful piece of dialogue delivery for me. It says to me that the Joker is not simply refuting the insult, he is stating for an unarguable fact that he is not crazy.
Whenever he is insulted, we see the Joker glare at someone, point or replies with an insult of his own "...group therapy sessions.", which go along with the pencil trick to show he is not to be messed with.
The writing and delivery are why we'll be talking about this film and this scene for decades.
“A guy like me....”
“Freak.”
That was when Joker decided to kill the guy.
“I want to hear proposition.”
And that’s when he decides to kill that guy last.
Well it wasn't really last. He fed that guy to his dogs after burning the money and Lau. :)
Maroney was still alive at that point.
In the scene where he kills the Russian mob leader, he at least offers his life in exchange for his men. Of course he denied it, so he fed him to the dogs to take them anyway.
i think he wouldve left him alive if the russian cooperated when the money gets gasoline'd
@@YetAnotherRUclipsr yeah he said tell your men they work for me now. He disobeyed and that's when he killed him.
I remember myself after watching this movie thinking I may have liked the villain better than the hero for the first time. Briilliant portrayal by Ledger.
First time I watched it all I could think was, "There is no fucking way this is the guy from Princess Bride"
It netted him a posthumous Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. The second he was nominated, everyone knew he deserved it.
Cody Fanning who did he play in the princess bride
@@rb.jkpkmatthews1594 he's the main character. He's also in ten things I hate about you
Cody Fanning Heath ledger?
How they were silenced by his laugh. His slow entrance .No violence ,no threats ,no bang , but he still commanded their complete attention immediately.. no dialogue
no violence except putting a pencil through a man's skull
@@quentin4518It was a magic trick . weren't you paying attention ?🤡
Ah I see Disney watched this video to get tips on negotiating. "Uh half"
lmao
They actually get 65% but who's counting.
@@davidnguyen270 Disney tried 50/50 not 65. Google it
Too bad Disney has the reverse Midas touch, 50% of 0 is still 0.
"Give the audience what they want, just not how they expect it." I've never actually heard that golden rule before. Very thought provoking and makes me reflect on my own writing. Thank you. I did, indeed, learn something from this.
A much better and sound advice indeed than the average "avoid this and this Trope because they are just bad and predictable' from many creative writing videos and articles. I prefer anytime an expected but witty and engaging scene than a poorly written plot twist.
"If you're good at something never do it for free..." I live by these words.
"gimme one reason why i shouldn't have my boy hear blow your head off"
"how 'bout a magic trick" - coming from the dude who stole $60 mil from you
"... PULL your head off".
Un-pauses video:
joker breathes:
Video pauses: the way the joker breathes here is important because..
lmao
This is a small detail because he does this during the rest of the film.
Its a really important character trait, as without this, the joker would be dead.
It's nice that there are so many videos about the Joker from the Dark Knight, because I could honestly spend an entire day listening to all of them haha
Watching that scene really made me realize that Ledger was genuinely funny as the Joker. And it works brilliantly, he’s not this laugh out loud cartoon character, sort of like he was when the comics code didn’t allow violence, but here his form of comedy is dryer than expected, its understated and almost sarcastic.
The look in Joker's eyes, the way he leers, cackles, its hard to believe it's Heath Ledger, terrifying. You cannot stop watching his performance, it takes over.
OMG YAAAAAAS I've finally found someone that appreciates this scene the way I do! The pause he gave when called a freak and crazy are what I loved about this scene. So much depth in his emotion!
It's just difficult to articulate how brilliant Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker was!
That Littlefinger and his ladder made my day.
I like how it subtly shows that being called a freak or crazy seems to bother the joker
The Joker: How about a magic trick?
RUclips: How about an ad?
Me: FFS!!!
@Uhhh or download a modded version
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Adblock. Good Lord, what's wrong with people today?
@@r0bw00dYeah....your gonna just assume he was on a computer?
Yeah. That's where savvy people watch RUclips from, anyway.
"It's not about money, it's about sending a message"
"Ya wanna know, how I got these scars"
"Hit me"
"I just want my phone call"
Excellent analysis! I especially enjoyed the two moments you mentioned when Joker was enraged by being called "freak" and "crazy", since (a) this is a radical departure from previous incarnations of the Joker (as you mentioned) and (b) the accusation of insanity denigrates and belittles his crusade, just as it would for Batman.
This made me think of a similiar dialogue between Daredevil and Punisher when they first meet on the rooftop in the second season of "Daredevil". Before confronting the Punisher, Daredevil just dismissed him as a nutjob with guns, and Punisher just dismissed him as one more obstacle to his crusade. No more or less significant than that. After calling the Punisher "unhinged" during their argument, however, the Punisher visibly became enraged because the idea that Frank might just be mentally ill figuratively spits in his face. Like the Joker, Frank sees himself as the protagonist, putting his military skills to use to rid the world of as many criminals as he possibly can before being taken out himself, so that no other innocent people have to lose their loved ones like he did. Abstract principles and nobler ambitions become psychologized and small in the eyes of those same people Joker and Punisher are trying to convince. It's an attack on their value judgments, ironically the same kind of attack Joker gleefully uses on Batman to belittle HIS crusade.
that white background is killing my eyes.
“Soon, gambol here? Won’t get a nickel for his grandma!”
fred l **SLAM** ENOUGH FROM THE CLOWN!!
This is probably one of my favorite breakdowns about The Dark Knight!!
heath ledger was the best joker. He was fantastic
I think out of all the Dark Knight analysis yoursbis by far the best
This is sooooo good. I watched this movie a few times but I never thought of this. You're really great at this!
Thanks @savagebooks I’m currently writing a graphic novel with an Art Deco/steampunk aesthetic and your videos are teaching me new skills & giving me great ideas (in my opinion they are great lmao)
3:34 "How about a magic trick?" (Ads plays)
How about a magic trick?...Ta-da!...I'm the only villain with an Oscar.
Right? And then because of this Joker specifically, most people say they only really loved that movie because of Joker and not Batman.
More like two
I want to add something at 9:38-9:50
The dig that Joker makes at Gamble and his response to it takes on a different meaning when you take in the context of Joker's "out" for this stunt. He knows that he can get out unharmed and the pencil trick has shown that he is both prone to and unafraid of violence. He stumbles momentarily from Gamble's jab and being called crazy and immediately gets a rise out of Gamble so he can use his out. He has made his case and has nothing further to say, so staying longer would just increase his own risk. This monitored behavior all points to the control that Joker maintains throughout his interactions not only with the mob, but also those with the GCPD and even Batman. Regardless of what he says about chaos and his "guiding philosophies," if we can call them that, he always seems to know how people around him will react to his actions. He seems to indeed have limited access to "the authentic" in some, even many people.
It's either an impressive bit of characterization or I'm just rambling about nonsense, who knows?
"Give the audience what they want, just not how they expect it". If only Rian Johnson prescribed to such an infallible rule of writing. Instead, he seemed to get off on doing *the exact opposite* of this.
Muh subverted expectations.
He is just another Deep State tool, with zero skills.
That's exactly how I felt about his work in Star Wars. Like i always agreed with him about how the series should go in a different direction but his execution was terrible, lazy and lacked sympathy for the fans. There wasn't a complete lack of it, but there was this gaping hole where a lot of anger seemed to stem from?
Ontologically Steve You know, when I first heard about Johnson’s Law, I didn’t think it was that serious, but after reading this comment, I’m starting to think it’s true. Eventually, no matter what, for whatever reason, TLJ will be brought up in a comment section. Freaking fantastic. 😒
@@SemiProHawk707 Yep. People are so salty that it must always burn and beg to be let out in the form of incoherent, self-indulgent rants. OP cites a relevant quotation, then does a perfect 180 to be entirely wrong oof
One of my favourite films of all time! And you've just made it even better as I've never thought of the scene from a editor's point of view/ persepective. Great video pal. Keep up the great work and take care!
"I'm not crazy"... I cant even count the times I have discussed this scene when talking real crazy people.
3:50 I see you there. Littlefinger. Chaos is a ladder.
THANK YOU. My favorite part.
Good video.
I want to point out that Joker exceutes a very elaborate bank heist, a very elaborate triple murder, a very elaborate two hostage situation and very elaborate cruise ship situation.
Quite elaborate thing for a guy who "does not have a plan"
I interpreted that line as meaning that he didn't have any large-scale plan, or any end-goal. Yes, he made small-scale plans, but he only planned a few steps ahead, and could quickly adapt his plans to changing circumstances (of course, realistically, most of his plans would be impossible unless he could see the future). Hence his line "I think you and I are destined to do this forever". Joker doesn't have and end goal, so he can never really win, which means he will never stop.
@@benl2140 Ok. Makes sense
"Why don’t we cut you up into little pieces and feed you to your pooches? Hmm? And then we’ll see how loyal a hungry dog really is." One of my favorite parts
That line also gives insight into his philosophy - he thinks that he can break people down to their lowest level, then turn them loose like starving a dog. For some people, like Dent, it worked. For others, like the passengers of both boats, he failed miserably.
Watched this video again for the second time now. Still learning from your clear assessment of the high caliber writing of this scene.
6:10 and 8:45 *Finally* someone acknowledges these little gems of subdued acting.
"Why Disney twist villains do not work"
might wanna make that 481,628 essays.
its a great though
One of my favorite scenes of all time. Usually, at the top of my mind, this is probably my ALL TIME favorites, but i might think of others if i spent some time on it
the aspect of the jokers pov makes it unimaginable to make out this critical mystery as though “who is the joker”. This scene shows a wide range of metaphors that are expanded using show not tell, during this incident, the minor conflicts makes it even but rare to find the jokers name or anything except his characteristics which is shown explicitly for the entire duration of this legendary scene
joker: good lines, interesting etc.......Batman: you're a garbage who kills for money!
“IEM NAHT WEARIN HAWKEY PANTSS”
@@mylefnepple1936 haahahaahahahaaha spot on
Jr Beans oh lol
You said there were many scenes to choose from in this masterpiece, but the one you chose was perfect.
how the Joker first enters the room, with that long laugh (which is non-verbal communication and as such can reach the audience on a deeper level), only followed by 'and I thought my jokes were bad'. that's genius right there, thought I'd mention it because it is how this scene begins and I believe it is crucial to everything that follows. great content!
Love this channel man, keep up the good work sir!
This scene is amazing but I think the interrogation scene is even better
How much you want?
Disney" err half"
Another cool piece I noticed about the scene w dent in the hospital: while he’s telling him to pull the trigger, jokers finger is held firmly over the trigger. If he pulls the trigger the hammer wouldn’t fall, so it’s kind of like the joker is just giving the illusion of choice
It might not hold any significance, but my favorite line is by far "You think you can just steal from us and walk away?"
"Yeah"
Me too
This was so great.
The interrogation room scene and its power dynamics could be interesting
The scene where he has Harvey point the gun at his head isn't him taking his own possible death as a joke. He has his finger between the trigger and the guard to prevent Harvey from pulling the trigger. He gave Harvey the illusion of a choice to kill him at that time.
My 3 favorite movies are!!!!
1.V For Vendetta
2.The count Of Monte Cristo
3. The dark knight
Wtf! Mine too.
I really enjoyed your video. Thank you for making it.
Can you make a analysis of the introduction of Raoul Silva in Skyfall, the dialogue between James bond and Raoul was my favorite scene, a think it would be a great video to discuss. Love your videos keep it up.
Heath Ledger was best joker that ever was, and ever will be. Can’t change my mind.
Mark Hammil was better
Sorry is better
Watch Mark Hammils performance in The Killing Joke
Joaquin Phoenix is probably gonna come out on top
hard to compete with a dead guy.
Nice break down. You always give good information.
He's an editor but says "Toss my head into the ring." Hat, bro. Don't cut off your head.
Had to come here after the Batwoman series to remind myself when Batman films were brilliant
Gotham is pretty good
The magic trick was probably the most Joker-esque acts in the history of the character in film.
Video just showed up in my feed....finally RUclips recommended a quality channel. You got yourself a new Sub! Great work!
Chinese version:
It's simple. We uh, eat the batman.
😂😂😂😂😂
The writing is amazing, but the weird rhythm, timing, and delivery of The Joker's lines by Ledger elevates them to brilliance.
Could you possibly do a video on Seven or Memento, please? I would love to hear an analysis on these excellent films.
I wonder how a conversation between the Joker and Tywin Lannister would turn out. Both being great at being the dominant party in a conversation but one is manipulative and orderly while the other is chaotic and unpredictable.
Tywin probably wouldn’t even entertain the idea of a conversation with the Joker, if he knew about his character. He’d probably see him as a dangerous wildcard and would want him out of the way as soon as possible. That being said, a conversation between the two would be pretty cool.
Very introspective view. I really enjoyed your video-your detailed narration was well thought & delivered flawlessly. Great job!
Great dialogue from a different yet straight forward perception
This was the scene that I first knew Ledger was going to own the film. Actually, from the very first laugh before we even see him enter the room, I was sold. One of those vivid theater going moments.
GREAT analysis! The Joker's false goal reminds me of Hans Gruber's in Die Hard.
I think the biggest misconception of the Joker in this film is he's "chaotic" in the sense that he doesn't know what he's doing. And everything that he shows in his scenes is that he's letting people believe that. Like the man here said, he's wildly unpredictable. But it's VERY planned out. Which is why he's a match for Batman.
I like the fact that both the antagonist and the protagonist both had arcs of development in this movie…usually the villain doesn’t change
Ive wondered how Ledger managed to pull off that voice being that he has such a deep voice.
You did a very good job of explaining how the writers did the scene. The interrogation scene probably is my favorite the reason this is the greatest comic book movie ever is because it’s not just the best comic book movie ever it’s one of the best movies to ever come out that’s what separates it from other comic book movies
"Give the audience what they want, just not how they expect it" THANK YOU
There's been soooo much 'sUbVeRsiOn oF eXpEcTaTiOn' in media lately where they just flat out insult the audience or do something else that nobody likes, and then go "Hah, see, I made you feel things. My work is a masterpiece" that hearing it worded like this makes me feel better.
The laugh as he fell from the building was because he thought he'd broken Batman, he thought he'd gotten Gotham's symbol of hope to break his own rules, Joker thought he had won, that's one of the reasons he groans as he's being hauled up by his ankle.
In fairness, I think you could argue that the joker represents chaos in general, but also has an order based side to him that you can argue serves his greater goal of making things chaotic (Yeah, sounds contradictory, but hear me out)
He does appear random, but everything he does in the movie is linear and goal driven.
He would never "throw the golden apple" just to cause a stir.
He may revel in causing chaos and uncertainty to everybody else, but I think on another level he's also a control freak.
Aside from the more intangible evidence, I've always thought that in the dent hospital scene, despite claiming anarchy, he keeps his thumb on the guns hammer.
He wasn't there to gloat, or toy. Harvey was (maybe an improv, but still) a part of his plan.
So he manipulated the whole thing to get what he wanted. Namely another villain for bats.
He's like a recursive error. He wants chaos, but meticulously plans for it. Then he gets some chaos, and has to manage it on the fly.......so that it will produce more chaos.
Walking contradiction.
And I do like the theory that he's spec ops. Maybe there's a battle between two parts of his makeup, and he's just figured a way to use em both.
I can't wait for the dialogue dive into the plane scene in TDKR. That scene has always had a big impact for me
Just a heads up. Joker actually holds the hammer of the gun that is pointing to his own head when talking to Harvey. This dismisses the part "that he doesn't care about his life" but enforces that he actually "is ahead of the curve".
The joker is in Batman’s mind so in a sense you can’t have one without the other
It’s he’s morbid dangerous side due to the ptsd he developed after watching his parents being killed
As he becomes a vigilant hero he separates his evil-Joker becomes to be and they can’t be separated and they don’t really explain much behind their relationship except they need each other to survive
Great analysis. This movie is so good on so many levels. It is my favorite film of all time. The character development is Peak!
I mean...
Every scene with the Joker in it is cinemathic gold
God. This performance never gets old. NEVER.
This scene is contrived garage.
@@anypish2 You....do realize how old his comment is right? Or, for that matter that "Garbage" has a b in it?
If the scene never gets old then apparently neither does the comment. Is there a cut off on comments before you don't reply?
1 week?
A month?
An eternity?
As for the typo.... big deal.
@@anypish2 Ok
Agreed. A masterpiece of a performance.
"You think you can steal from us and walk away?"
"Yeah"
Also, the pencil trick shows the difference between a criminal and a super villain. As Megamind would say, "Presentation!"
I"m gonna learn that trick and perform it on Fool Us. I think it would go over well.
And this stunt predates John Wick. Joker did this with an unsharpened pencil.
@@acgearsandarms1343 joker did it eraser first, pointed end goes in the table
Lol words I can hear
How did he make the pencil stick into the table and then jam the eraser end through someone’s skull? I feel like the guy should have backed off and been like, “My eye! There’s a pencil in my eye!”
"How about a magic trick?"
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He tells them to call when they want to take it serious and gives them joker card. Lol
Still laugh about it until this day. I love that fucking scene so damn much.
His whole point is NOT taking anything seriously though.
@@jacktilghman9797 not taking the lies people tell themselves seriously, the masks we wear...
but he's deadly fucking serious about that.
ofc, it's a fictional character so it'll mean different things to every observer: that's just my view ^^
Right
I just really like looking back at this scene, and realise just how many JOKES the JOKER actually makes through out the movie.
Demented sort of humor. Just the way the character was originally conceived.
Fire Truck
Whatever doesn't kill you makes you... stranger
Im sure other people have mentioned this, but I noticed that whenever a villain in each of the movies beat Batman in their first respective confrontations, they make a pun:
Batman Begins- "You need to lighten up" and then Scarecrow lights Batman on fire
The Dark Knight- "Let her go" "Very poor choice of words" and then let's her go
The Dark Knight Rises- "I was wondering what would break first- your spirit or your body" and then Bane breaks Batman's back
Wanna c Joker tell jokes look @ Mark Hamil's version of the character!...in the Animated Series from 92'
The line about Gambol’s grandma was so juvenile, but subtly brilliant. The Joker was gauging Gambol’s reaction to get some background info on him. This explains why he told him the abusive-father-scar-story later on. Men with influential grandmothers typically have absent fathers. The Joker was insanely good at reading people.
Damn! Good catch
Pedro Pereira Fr good
Men with influential grandmothers typically have absent fathers. now where in the freakin hell did u dig that ? It's totally my life's story lol feels weird to read your life as such :P
@@sobreaver Well, I'd assume it came with some research, too. After all, Joker knew where to find the mob money and which bills were marked. So he likely already knew Gambol had been raised by his grandmother, and was using the line more just to gauge Gambol's reaction. Would he be protective of his grandmother or dismissive?
He was a special operator.
Show, don't tell. Suicide Squad thinks character development is Amanda Waller telling the audience who the characters are. The Dark Knight showed us who The Joker is through his actions and interactions with other characters.
It’s a fourth grader’s idea of edginess. “I’m a bad guy! You can tell because I just said I was.”
Agreed, and I think the problem stems from the fact that Suicide Squad is an ensemble piece, which means they have to shoehorn in as much information as possible in as short a time as possible.
@@mrkrunch4340 It relates to one of the biggest failures of the DCEU. They never took the time to develop their characters the way the MCU did. They think throwing a bunch of big names into a movie is gonna make us care about them.
Well stated. Like having 'Damaged' tattooed on your forehead. That shit was a bad joke.
Character "development" is unnecessary for a movie like suicide squad
The way Ledger "dead eyes" everyone he looks at except Batman. It's as if each person he looks at is dead already and not really relevant..... watch it again and look at his eyes..... brilliant.
@meaturama The Lego Batman Movie effortlessly
captures the whole dynamic of the Batman/Joker relationship perfectly. I'm not even joking. People dismiss it out of hand because its Lego, but Lego Batman is much closer to canonical Batman than you might think. Also it remembers a time when Batman had a unique comedy potential, and the Movie has endless examples of 'in' jokes, without becoming even nearly played for laughs. Oh, and even though Dark Knight is a great Movie, it stops short of Donkey punching you right in the feels. Lego Batman is every bit a 'proper' Batman movie. And a lot better than 'some' Batman movies with many times the budget. The ways that the rest of the JLA laugh behind his back, and don't invite him to Parties. . . Or the way Bruce Wayne casually adopts a young Robin, instantly forgetting
about it the next day.
Robin.~ "Oh boy, what are the chances of that? Batman living in Daddy Bruce's cellar?"
Batman.~ "Actually, Bruce Wayne lives in MY attic"
Yeah, and they both have Bats n their Belfry.
Stop overanalyzing u weirdo
@@meredithleavitt5815 shut the fuck up meredith. you have shit taste and no room to talk
@@meredithleavitt5815 It appears that you lack the intellectual capability to philosophically-dissect (and appreciate) film as an art form. Thus the reason you felt intimidated by the comment from whence this thread was perpetuated. Criticizing what you don't (or cannot) comprehend is really a criticism of yourself. Your comment said more about *you* than the person it was directed at.
@@meredithleavitt5815 why so serious.............................i had to say it
He's not serious about joining them. He gives them a playing card to contact him. They have no power over anything he does. He is as mercurial as the card implies.
Just thinking the same thing.
Thanks for teaching me a new word
Merxurial? Ill have to look that one up.... thanks brother
Joker is just a cunning psychopath and pathological liar.
By telling people he doesnt scheme. That lie right there could be considered a scheme itself. He WANTS you to think that he is some sort of agent of chaos. The fact that he had layers upon layers of plans and tactics hidden in chaotic sight. Shows how truly deadly his mind is. He is able to plan within that confusion and panic.
However Joker does understand what Batman was able to do not alot of others could do. Batman was able to rule through fear. Batman struck fear in the hearts and minds of would be criminals. As a vigilante.
Both Vigilante and antagonist operated outside of conventional law.
Except he understands.
So all this boils down to the lesser of two evils. Despite batman being a HERO to most people. He is still viewed as a criminal especially how he accepted Jokers crime and became a villain himself.
This batman had to lie just like how joker is a liar in order to keep Order and retain Harvey's dignity.
A villain who is evil and destruction.
A villain who is willing to persecution and defend Gotham and it's people.
@@doomslayer5191 , all valid.points. Joker, for one, IS "a schemer", although he would argue he's not. Batman is, just as Joker said, "There's no going back." and "Outta some self-righteousness", which is true. Joker "SEES" All of this. Joker is in fact, a genius in this movie. A maniacal, psychotic, psychopathic genius, but a genius nonetheless. He even tempts Batman to kill him: "C'mon. C'mon. I wantcha to do it. I wantcha to do it. Hit me. Hit me.", because he ALREADY knows, or at least he's nearly certain at this point that Batman Won't kill him; this act of him "tempting" Batman, and the results, solidifies Joker's KNOWING, or again, his "guestimating with certainty" that Batman Won't kill him. And, this, in turn, gives Joker his forever-battling-yet-never-killing nemesis: His pardon the expression, "Dark Knight" to the "Clown Prince of Crime" AKA, Joker.
"You know how I got these scars?"
"No. But I know how you got these..."
*throws off roof*
I still don't think the Joker laughed because he was thrown off of a building. I think he was laughing because Batman just told him a joke.
It was a tribute to The Killing Joke comic ending....where Joker tells Batman a joke and next panel it's unclear weather or not Batman goes insane and strangles Joker to death.
U have to actually have read the comic 📖 to know that.
Daniel Cooke cool, Thanks! I’ve always wanted to read that comic. Thanks for ruining the end for me hahahahaha. Although I suppose the statute of limitations for spoilers is lonnnng over.
Daniel Cooke (all jokes aside, I really should read it)
As a true Batman fan u should own it!
but he is the protaganist. He burns all the mobs money, he gets most corrupt cops busted, he gets rid of the batman, he makes gordon the commissioner
no. shut up. you're not allowed to do that xD
In a weird way you're right
Let’s ignore all the people who he killed, kidnapped, and extortion. I see your point but I’d still consider him a textbook villain
@@gregorio5543 I feel like burning the Mob's money does a lot to make up for that, but point
Thanks for watching this episode of film theory!
A lot of the lines were changed by Ledger. The writers were part of the masterpiece that is the Joker, but Ledger was the Mastermind that gave us this golden performance.
such as?
I know that make up was by himself. 99%
Heath ledger left this world too soon. Heath's joker would make dc dominate the cinematic universe
@@finnheisenheim8274 I don't think so, The Batman films would be really profitable but it's an entire universe, I don't think JUST Heath Ledger can carry all those films by himself.
@@jayv8068 bomb iprov, when it didnt explode few more i forgot what
Jokers actually the star of this movie. Heath Ledgers performance was outstanding and made the whole movie brilliant
Mck Finn this was just perfect chemistry CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE IF THIS JEPT GOING , maaan DC WOULD HAVE TOOKEN A SHARP TURN , I would say it would’ve been Marvel Level Because I doubt the justice league actors wouldn’t even be the same
Sure he's the "star" in the colloquial sense, but he is not the protagonist. He is the agent of change for Batman an Gotham, a brilliant antagonist. No doubt a star though.
I've never seen an actor disappear into his character the same way Heath disappeared into the joker. Batman was good but the joker completely stole the show
Which makes sense because Batman Begins was Batman's origin.
I have to agree. Mr. Ledger stole the whole movie, in my opinion.
I always thought the Joker was laughing when he gets thrown off the building because he thinks he just won. He finally broke Batman and made him break his one rule, which was to kill someone (even if it’s himself). Rewatch that final scene, when Batman’s grapple gun catches and saves him, the Joker groans, /annoyed/ and he says “YOU... You just couldn’t let me go, could you”
Celso deJesus II - Yeah you’re right but it’s still a good scene. It’s also the Jokers last scene in the film so if he just groaned and that was it it might’ve been a bit anti climactic. I love how he says “I think you and I are destined to do this for a very long time,” I feel like that’s kind of a clever joke cause they’re probably always going to be making comics of Batman chasing after the Joker
Joker wins anyway.
The joker has always tried to make the batman break his "one rule". Even if the joker is the one who dies. You are correct in your assessment.
If you count that as killing...than he killed Ras Al Gul
Daniel Cooke - Lol ya he totally killed Ra’s
- Walks in
- makes fun of a crime syndicate,
- kills a henchman,
- disrespects and intimidates them,
- picks the weakest group to kill later as an example not to challenge him,
- tricks them into helping him,
- leaves.
What. A. Boss.
And he accomplishes this in under 5 minutes
Except that he does all of this by playing on the threat of Batman so really he's just cunning and batman is the boss. Although in the comics Joker kinda makes batman his bitch so...
I dont know too much about Batman lore, was Gamble the weakest there?
@@nickwiley9647 I don't know if it was that, so much as that Gambol wasn't buying Joker's schtick and wanted revenge for his dead henchman. So Joker had to show his dominance by removing the one guy in the group likely to stand up to him.
Not to mention makes a couple members of the weakest group kill each other to be apart of the jokers group
Ledger’s take on the Joker made us crave more and wanting to see more of him, and whenever he appeared on screen you couldn’t take your eyes off him. Such a stunning performance and the fact that it was such an original take on the character and created entirely by him shows what a genius he was
Agreee
Absolutely. And when you see that a guy like Christian Bale had immense respect for him as an actor and as a friend, you know that he must have had something special too. Bale does not strike me as the type to easily show respect for another actor.
The fact that he is bothered by people calling him crazy is actually realistic. The more insane a person gets the more that person thinks he is getting saner
Alex I don’t heath ledgers joker was insane, if he was he definitely wouldn’t have been able to carry out his plans and be as intelligent as he is in the movie
@@elijahdiablo7310 he just said the joker is unpredictable and never plans he just do things.
HIGH FUNCTIONING SOCIOPATH
@@elijahdiablo7310 "insane" people plan all kinds of stuff. Sometimes mental illness is worse due to a person's high intelligence
Comic Joker embraces his insanity and believes anyone else is just a "bad day" from where he is. But I enjoyed Heath's take and his ticks.