The General's Regeneration | Hell Bent | Doctor Who
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Taken from Doctor Who: Series 9 Episode 12 "Hell Bent"
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I love how the General just accepts he isn't going to change the Doctor's mind so wishes him luck. Glad they got him back to do this episode!
He could have also lied and said he was on his final life but he chose honesty. I imagine that he secretly wished that the Doctor would find a way to save Clara and maintain the universe but couldn't just let the Doctor go without a "fight".
Theres no sexual prefernce for timelords
@@ByzatineSamurai Clearly the general had a preference for female, considering her reaction. Doubt it was a big deal though.
isn't it her?
@@Isaic02 the writer had a preference for Pandering to feminism superiority. The commentary on how "Men have such big ego how do you deal with that" and such statement being extremely egocentric in itself always throws me right out of immersion, "Cool space advent- *Obligatory Female superiority Adbreak!*-ure"
10th Doctor: "Even if I change it feels like dying. Everything I am dies. Some new man goes sauntering away... and I'm dead"
12th Doctor: "Death is Time Lord for man flu"
So it's like
Hey where are you
I'm dying
Oh ok
Won't be five minutes
rymdalkis Well 10 was a bit of a cry baby
Man flu made him woman
He was downplaying it for Clara's sake.
It’s almost like the doctor changed his mind... and the different personality that came with 12 has a different view on regeneration...
I love how the Doctor calls regeneration basically the flu even though he has an existential crisis every regeneration 😂
When the 12th Doctor regenerated, he was pretty good about it. I think it depends on the doctor.
Let's be honest, he's a bit of a drama queen
He’s just trying to calm Clara
I too have an existential crisis whenever I have the flu
I mean the flu is pretty bad anyways
Doctor: regeneration?!
General: 12th
Doctor: Oh sorry
-credits roll-
Still one more life left
@@ZonalJump97Nope. Time Lords can only regenerate 12 times. That's been established canon since the early 70s.
@@ZonalJump97 13 Faces, 12 regenerations.
regenerates with makeup on
Thunda1986 Yup, I noticed that too :/
it seems a common trait with Time Lords, I mean 10 came with hair gel
It's a moffat thing
Thunda1986 timelords take on bodies of existing people and thus the bodies come with make up or haircut they had just before the died
Scarlett Fox Not really, or at least, not exactly. They are given the opportunity to think of a face to take when they regenerate, so they can just make it up. However, as you may experience yourself, it's not that easy to "create a face", it's rather easier to choose an existing one, not necessarily of a dead person. This explains the make-up and gel thing pretty much.
*Regenerates from a kind, soft hearted and understanding man.*
UGH How do you deal with all that ego?
I know right. These tolerance and feminism and other bad words
It's not unusual for Time Lords to have unfair negative opinions of their previous regenerations. Remember how 3 felt about 2 or 6 about 5.
GeneralNerd don’t even try to say there wasn’t some agenda here.
Asian water there wasn’t an agenda it was a jooooooooooke
DastardlyCrook Moffat loves jerking himself off over how progressive he is while making his gay and female characters as horny as possible
Doctor: Regeneration?
General: 10th
Doctor: Good luck
Me: Now that’s scary
Idgi...
You can see the General just immediately get what the Doctor was planning when he asked that. 10/10
I bet in a weird way it’d be an honour for the general to be “killed” by the war hero that is the Doctor.
@@harrisont2004 It would be an honor to me, only thing is, I'd be paranoid about what I'd become after regenerating lol
@@SikerScrapyard Even I didn't know the lore THAT extensively, that makes a lot of sense
What I love about this is that it shows how other timelords will simply regenerate and won't be phased by it, but the Doctor spends sometimes an entire series trying to find out who he is, trying to adjust etc. Reminds me of the Master's old line about how timelords are 'supposed to face death with dignity'.
Well gala frey is probably just Is a gigantic zero room Is that prevents adverse Effects
The doctor at best has the tardis And at worst watch the t v movie
This is just bad writing. The doctor has always been clear that regeneration is death and then reincarnation with the same memories.
@@1992jamo And all the other timelords who regenerated never had any "post-regeneration trauma", it was always only the Doctor.
The doctor is just really really bad at regenerating, I don't think he passed that class at the academy
Most Time Lords on Gallifrey have access to medical and social supports that the Doctor doesn't.
I always think that the (male) general could be a replacement for Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier.
Yeah!
MasterJo Cohen oo
OOF
You could also call him Tenth General
Except of course.. by then the rot will have spread from SJW-MARVEL comics into the X-Men cinematic universe, and Jean Grey will do the ice-man type thing on Xavier in the past, making him go for transitioning.
*drops the mike *
"Regeneration?"
"hmfff, tenth"
"good luck"
damn that hits
"How do you cope with all that ego?" is a much more egotistical attitude than anything the previous incarnation ever said.
He actually seemed quite humble
He was
It's because Steven Moffat's a woke twat.
@@gabbeskillz6262 lmao, accurate.
@Arcadius same.
Say what you will about this episode or this scene, but I love this regeneration. I like how the General is lying down as opposed to standing, I like how it's the least explosive regeneration of the new series, and I like how the other Time Lords treat the regeneration as a basic incident.
The Doctor's regenerations are, for reasons that have never really been explained rather more traumatic and less... energy efficient than the regular brand. Of course that could be because of this whole proto timelord schtick that's just been introduced then again there are also hints the doctor may have had a human parent which may be responsible for corrupting the transformation flux.
@@theo-jamesmoulton2000 or the doctor is just a drama queen. That's not exactly out of character.
Plus, quite a few of the doctors deaths have been worse than a lethal shot
@@rph1990 This is true so perhaps its something to do with the death trauma. perhaps the transformation is more flashy the more traumatic the death... which doesn't explain how eleven was able to nuke a dalek mothership. He died of old age.
Regenerations seem to be more explosive the more you resist it. The doctor is usually remarkably attached to what they are so it has a habit of being quite violent when it comes to them. In this case, the Time Lord was more or less "alright, fair play" and took it knowing that it was about what was expected so no big boom.
@@machdude3366 That kinda makes sense actually, if I remember right the Old Who didn't have these explosive regeneration scenes and once New Who picked up the regeneration started to escalate more and more.
The regeneration from the 9th to the 10th Doctor wasn't too violent because he had accepted his fate and was ready while the 10th tried his damnedest to not regenerate and pretty much exploded the tardis
Then you have 11th to 12th, 11 again pretty much accepted his death so he's regeneration was instantaneous (outside that big blast of regeneration energy which I blame on the sudden influx of regeneration energy)
To all of you saying how out of character this scene was for the Doctor... Wasn't that one of the central themes of the episodes? He even says it himself: "I broke my own rules. I became the Hybrid."
yes, but the problem there is that he NEVER breaks his own rules, so it's out of character
What about 'The Waters of Mars', where he saved someone whose death was a fixed point in time? True, she committed suicide shortly after, but he still broke his own rules then and there. So it has happened before.
Joris Van Venrooij He never tried to kill anyone in that episode. In Hell Bent, he forces someone to regenerate, bringing that person closer to death.
Joris van Venrooij
You'd think he'd learnt his lesson. in that ep he meant to save all of them and cause no one harm, which is different here.
His rules are 'never cruel nor cowardly. Never give up, never give in.' In 'The Waters of Mars,' he didn't break those rules.
Pretty sure it's out of character for the Doctor to "kill" someone who just helped him mere hours before and is in general (pun intended) trying to do what's best for Gallifrey.
I love this scene, the look in the Doctors eye as he's considering what he's about to do, how Clara and the General are trying to talk him down but he's bulldozing through without considering them. It's a great moment.
For all those in disbelief that the Doctor would ever wield a gun, keep in mind, both Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Tenth, Eleventh incarnations have used guns at some point.
I think ninth also holds a few blasters
@@frankgrimes1411 Thanks for the correction - in the episode “Empty Child”, Nine does in fact use a blaster.
So much for never killing a man in cold blood..
@@ScatteredCollector And 9 threatens the Dalek in that museum with a large gun as well.
@@imogenlwilliams indeed he does, The Doctor does use guns
I love how, from this moment, up until the very end of the episode, the story tries to make you think that the Doctor succeeded in making Clara forget about him, and that he's just saying his last goodbyes, or maybe he wasnt able to keep himself away, and is just indulging himself before continueing, and only at the very end do we find out that the opposite is true, that He lost his memory of her.
Just think about this: the general helped the doctor get rid of FREAKING RASSILON and stood by his side. then the doctor goes and shoots him like he meant nothing! so out of character. so what if the general could regenerate, that still must hurt like hell. One of the many things I hate about this episode
Bradley Kingswell Not really he saved someone he loved and he blamed himself for her death so he'll do anything to make it right.
Coldboy33 true but still whatever happened to" never cruel or cowardly?!"
Bradley Kingswell He knew that he wouldn't die and he probably still felt angry he couldn't do anything to save Amy and Rory, but he could save Clara at the cost of someone regenerating so he obviously took the opportunity to do so.
Yes but It's essentially synonymus with death since it's a complete personality change. So in more ways than one he ruined that dudes life.
+Leon Wahlstrom Indeed, the Doctor even said it himself. "Every time I change, it feels like dying. Some new man goes sauntering away... and I'm dead."
Series 10
The Doctor - "Timelords are far beyond you human's obsession with gender and it's associated stereotypes!"
Series 9
The General - "Back to normal am I? Only time I've been a man that last body. Dear Lord how do you cope with all that ego?"
They've learnt so much in so little time
and why do they choose gender specific names then also?
I mean as Bill pointed out “But you still call yourselves time- LORDS”. The timelords LOVE bragging about how civilized and sophisticated and enlightened they are, but in actuality they aren’t nearly as far beyond (at least in a philosophical sense; 200% in a technology/scientific sense (they mass produce time machines)) as they like to say they are. That’s a fairly recurring theme. Another recurring theme is that the Doctor LOVES to talk up his species and brag on them. He himself doesn’t want to admit the ugly truth about them. It got 10 got caught in the lie twice and in trouble once and he didn’t learn from either time. He only told Martha about how great they were and beautiful the planet was, so she didn’t even consider the possibility of an “evil” timelord in Utopia (or even just one that wasn’t like the Doctor). Then in the end of time he kept telling Wilfred how great his people were, but was forced to admit they became monsters and really dangerous during the Timewar (that change was insane. He wouldn’t use Wilfred’s gun on the Master, but grabbed it instantly when he realized the timelords were returning and all the while Wilfred was like “wait I thought they were like super monks and the master was the only bad one”). The Timelords like to feel and act superior to other species and the Doctor likes to pretend his species is better than they actually are to his friends (its like when you’re telling your friends about how amazing and cool your uncle or maybe parents are when in reality they’re no where near that. Maybe your dad drives a garbage truck but you tell your school friends that he’s a “transporter of exotic items and treasures”). No one has a way to fact check and you to feel better about your roots so why not?
@@vullord666 they also arn't gender fluid.
@@vullord666 sure but being in the position at that moment where he was the last timelord he probably tried to block out the bad and remember the good I mean wouldn’t you?
When you shorten someone's life by potentially centuries and alter their self so all but their memories are effectively killed.
The Doctor: "This is completely justified!"
IKR?
This isn't just out of character for him? It just doesn't make sense, in general!
They did trap him for 4 and a half billion years. They made him think he’d destroyed gallifrey. And they raged a war that wiped out half the universes life. Don’t think he owes them anything
Regeneration really isn't that big a deal. The doctor just got a little weird about it after the 10th for some reason. It's really not a trait any other Time Lord has or even cares about. Hell, Romana wasted her first regeneration out of boredom.
"A person is the sum of their memories you know, Time Lords even moreso." - the Doctor
@@videobeetle8 well, I think the lifespan thing is the more important part
I just don't get why he needed anything to whipe Clara's memory about him. Isn't that exactly what he did with Donna just with his bare hands?
I always thought this entire scene was so strange for the Doctor, how he could shoot the general when he was just trying to help him. But after rewatching this and scrolling through some comments, I feel like I've come to the realization that the Doctor shot the general precisely because he was trying to help him. Well, to us the general is trying to help as he's attempting to convince the Doctor not to save Clara for fear of the destruction of the universe, but to the Doctor, this man is standing in the way of something he's spent over a million years trying to get back. After all these years he spent trapped trying to save Gallifrey and bring Clara back, he's being told that he can't. And the general pretty much stated that its his role to protect the new president and that he wasn't going to let the Doctor do this. That, to me at least, tells me there would have been no peaceful resolution to this situation. The general has a duty and could have even tried to physically restrain the Doctor had he not been shot.
Now, I am in no way shape or form condoning the Doctor's actions here, but these are things that I never considered watching this show. I never stopped to think about all of the unspoken lines that the characters' actions portray, like the grief and pain in the Doctor's face when he points the gun at the general. You can see the Doctor throwing himself so much into getting Clara back that he's putting time itself in danger. Its as he even said later, he broke all of his own rules and became something else. So, when I consider that as well, it makes more sense to me that I, or all of us, would view the Doctor's actions in this scene as out of character. Because it was out of character, that was the whole point.
I agree with everything you have stated here and I'll add this:
The Doctor was acting out of character but partly it was very much a Doctor thing to do. Their lifetime of fun, pain, adventure and loss builds up to several moments where you could argue The Doctor takes things too far. But it's a normal reaction to trauma.
There are time the rules have to be broken in order not to lose their own mind.
@@Eadwulf_Skald "good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many" -the 11th doctor. Showing that even he himself is aware of that.
@@alecbormia4523 Exactly! He's a god with the control over time (and in some ways space) who can go anywhere and do what he likes. It's scary to think how truly terrifying the doctor would be if they didn't limit themselves.
@@Eadwulf_Skald I mean you don't have to look far to see that either. In Face the Raven he basically says he's going to put Ashildr through literal hell so that she would wish she could die. He is willing to fracture all of time just to undo one death. In Waters of Mars the doctor is again willing to fracture time because he feels that time owes him it for all the losses he experienced. You know who the doctor starts to look like during these moments? His oldest friend who abused all the trauma and rough emotions that come with death to create an army of cyberman. The same person who turned the tardis into a paradox machine and had people from the end of time come back and murder tons of present day people. It is in these moments that the doctor becomes ever so close to being the master but has to snap himself back to reality.
@@alecbormia4523 I don't really agree that he comes close to being the master in those moments. It's an obvious connection to make and The Master is a sort of "dark mirror" of The Doctor.
But in my opinion The Doctor would eclipse The Master if he refused to be bound by his rules. In a comparison of like a nature spirit vs a god that rules the universe. The Master is powerful but The Doctor could rule the universe if he wanted to which is just not even in the realm of possibility of The Master. And that's the scary part.
Why dont you upload something from John Hurt .... he was a great doctor :/
Rest in Peace John 😢😢😢
ESC Lisa Germany I had no idea he had passed until a minute ago. He is the first actor to play the Doctor who has died in 21 years. RIP
***** yeah I know ... so sad :/
He was great
Gary Dorgan he died in real life ....
Gary Dorgan -_-..... he died 2 days ago because of Cancer 😭😢
ESC Lisa Germany Pity he can't come back as The Doctor now... 😰
Heaven's sent : Masterpiece.
Hell bent : Disapointing on so many levels.
DarkAntem Heaven Sent is not a masterpiece a 50 minute episode of The Doctor walking through corridors and talking to himself is not a masterpiece It's the worst episode ever
DarkAntem for me, it's the other way around. I completely refuse to accept Heaven Sent as canon. personally,
Gallifreyan Autobot the Warrior agree Heaven Sent was a pathetic childish excuse of an episode
I personally skip that episode entirely. Makes more sense to go "Face The Raven" ➡ "Hell Bent"
Gallifreyan Autobot the Warrior Heaven Sent was just a filler
I've just thought this - if The Doctor could wipe Donna's memory by himself in series 4, why did he need to get a neural block for Clara?
It could be because of Donna Noble becoming half time lord that he could fully wipe himself out. Clara was also with him through from half of Smith to half of Capaldi
@@bethbayless5652 it's just generally established that the doctor can erase memories, though. He does ot to kid danny pink as well in an episode WITH CLARA.
@@conmattang8492 then IDK LOL thanks for the info. I haven't been able to see Ll of capaldis run
@@conmattang8492 I think 12 was just less good at that than 10.
Probably because it would be too difficult to go into Clara Oswald's mind and then keep on erasing everything?
What a waste for the return of Gallifrey...
Not Spiderman no kidding
Very true, the biggest problem with 'Hell Bent' is that they effectively trampled over the Doctor's return to a home planet he hadn't seen in billions of years, not to mention a decade's worth of buildup on TV.
Clara is hot on that blue outfit
And they showed why he ran away to begin with.
azapro911
Being tortured by time lords for information over '4.5 billion years' just after they had hand in his companion's death might have overridden his desire of 'welcome home~'. Don't you think?
"How do you cope with all that ego?"
I wanna die now
@LittleRedRhuari RRR nah she was being a sexist, misandrist bitch. If it was the other way round, the woman turned into the man and he said the same thing about women there would be uproar so if you dont see that what she said was completely uncalled for and sexist you're a hypocrite. Simple :)
Writers, the Doctor's most evil and insidious enemy!
And this is how a beloved franchise dies.
@LittleRedRhuari RRR No, she just something dumb and cringe.
@LittleRedRhuari RRR You're missing the point, it's not that we are easily offended by the joke, it's the fact that the joke is operating on a hypocritical agenda.
If they want to throw jokes at the male's expense like how egotistical men can be or how it looks weird when men try to think, so be it, but it needs to go both ways. You can't only make jokes at the expense of men while simultaneously leaving women out of the equation, it's blatant sexism.
I really liked the 10th General tbh. Wish we saw more of him. I loved the Mutual respect he and the Doctor showed each other even until his last moments.
technically it's the 11th general, since it's the 10th regeneration.
"Dear Lord, how do you cope with all that ego!?"
Spoken like a true paragon of humility.
I like The General. "Regeneration?" "10th" "Good luck" "You too sir". He knows he can't stop any final decisions The Doctor makes, can only try to stop him as best he can. It's his duty as General of the Time Lords. It's his duty to ensure the timeline doesn't fracture. The Doctor made sure he wasn't on his last regeneration, too. That's why he asked. If he had been on his last, I highly doubt the doctor would've actually shot him.
He knows what the Doctor is planning is impossible but he also knows the Doctor has made it a habbit of doing the impossible.
@@Jarock316 *habit
It's not spelled like _rabbit._
Never cruel nor cowardly my backside!
Pat Rex 11 this doctor broken the rule
Yeah but that episode has the benefit of being written before that line was and being marginally less bad than Hell Bent
Cruelty is always calculated. This was just a loss of self-control.
I think taking someone's life qualifies as cruel
Pardonanodrap I think the most cruel things people can do happen when people lose self control
We could have got some john hurt clips to mourn his passing, but nope.
what? John hurt is dead?!?!
AlessandroTheCynical yes😭😭😭😭😭
maybe they will do a video just of his clips that would be nice
Oh, for God's sake. Gallifrey stands!
Lewis Conroy Whoa!! When did he pass?! I can't believe I missed that one. 😔
The following scene is one of my all time favorites, where she asks the Doctor how long he was in the dial.
me too. Capaldi and Coleman made the best episodes.
I love how the general wishes the Doctor luck despite having told him earlier he couldn’t save Clara. He must have cared about the Doctor.
My headcanon is that The General is Romana
I mean the doctor served his time at the time war (no pun intended) so most time lords respected him
@@PlanetNiles it looks like Ken Bones' general is returning for Gallifrey War Room, so it seems that that will be made impossible.
@@finnstewart4747 it's only impossible if Romana is also in Gallifrey War Room
@@PlanetNiles good point, I'm sure they'll bring back Lalla Ward eventually though.
"No, moving about. On pain of death. No, one take a selfie."
I am sorry. As much as all of this was a tad cringe-worthy. That line I broke out laughing a tad too hard.
Okay,The Doctor was very very bad boy in this scene.
He went back to his Old Who roots, I like it. Shows that he's not completely unable to fight back, even after the Time War.
Yeah,yes he did.I known it,The Doctor uses weapons in Classic who.
He doesn't kill his own people though just for following their laws...
ShandalfGreyhame Good point.
I think Moffat said somewhere that he made the Doctor the villain in this episode.
I do like how the General had more of a "classic" regeneration. Shes on the ground and instead of golden beams coming out of her body, its just a bright glowing light that blinds the room before fading.
I wonder if it had to do with how she was killed. When Ten went boom like that, he'd absorbed one hell of a lot of radiation. Eleven too, he got zapped by Gallifrey. Maybe those guns are meant to only do enough to start the regeneration process going, so they don't need much juice for that by comparison. Which in turn means the regeneration energy doesn't have to be as boomy.
@@urthboundmisfit I think it also has to do with how long the regeneration is delayed. 10 did his whole walk of shame before going, and 12 spent nearly 2 episodes trying to hold back. 13 also held back, and probably would've destroyed the tardis again if she hadn't gone outside for once
i'm not usually someone that shouts "character assassination!!1!!" whenever a character does something different but in this episode the doctor:
1) shot a man
2) robbed that man of who knows how many years of life
3) did this to a man who helped him defeat rassilon
it just felt really cruel tbh
That's the point this is 12 at his lowest
I think that's what the episode is about. He says it himself, that he broke all of his rules and became the hybrid. Still, that doesn't really make the episode good.
@@dipperpines4037 Yes it's basically a part of the Hybrid
Wow it's almost like the whole point of that episode was that the Doctor was desperately obsessing over losing another companion because of them and going against his creed to save her desperately. Wow who would have thought. Its almost like you figured out what the episode was trying to tell
@@Enel97 Hell Bent is a masterpiece for showing you who the Doctor really is and this scene is one of the best.
Who else thinks "Why, yes. i would love my regeneration to include eyeliner and makeup".
If it were permanently there and I didn't have to do it every morning, I wouldn't say no
2:15-2:39 HE'S REGENERATING... IT'S DONE, HE'S REGENERATED AAAANNND.....
what the hell?!
My reaction to the first female doctor.
Perfectly sums up how i felt about the 13th regeneration
Jhonny Mark
My reaction was, “Finally. They’ve been foreshadowing it for ages. Can’t wait for some fresh air to the series.”
zat1245 too bad chibnall sucks
@Christian Chavarria What's wrong with you?
Can we take time to appreciate the sentence: "On pain of death, no one take a selfie." 😂
That one came out of left field and I love it
Everyone saying it's out of character- but he's lost Clara so many times. He didn't kill anyone here, he made sure he'd regenerate. This is a man who's spent over a billion years mourning someone. This is a side to The Doctor that hasn't been explored but it's one that definitely exists
R.I.P ...John Hurt ...The War Doctor ... :'-(
I don't think BBC realise that we don't wake up with makeup on. Especially not from death...
I don't think you realize that we don't have the luxury of regeneration.
Alexis Auld what about hair gel *cough cough* ten
At least Whittaker didn't regenerate with piercings like I was afraid she might when I saw the pictures; I assume she'll get them when her full outfit is assembled.
Regarding the storywriting on this season, there was a whole lot more the BBC did not realise :)
Every doctor that's regenerated in the modern ear was wearing makeup I guarantee you or did you forget that they're filming a TV show?
2:35 that was so unnecessarily sexist.
And, it's what started accelerating the exodus of fans from the show.
It's just a joke it's not a dick you don't have to take it so hard.
@@bigben028cards1 if the sexes were reversed you'd be seeing boycotts for the show
@@Nepafarius It was reversed for the last few hundred years look at a history book. Only recently did women achieve equality historically speaking. I think we can take one joke.
Well this makes a nice change, some common sense on youtube. Thank you bigben.
It’s interesting to see how the regeneration process affects different Time Lords. The Doctor has a damn near identity crisis before/after each one and then the General treats it as though it’s a mere minor inconvenience
Location is important
Galafray is the home of the time lords it accommodates
Tardis is second best
Worst place is a human morgue hoped up on morphine
If we’re going off of a book explanation, it’s because he wasn’t paying enough attention in class
Regeneration is a skill basically.
If you're good, you'll be up and about easily.
If you're really good, you can even pick what your body will look like.
The doctor has canonically always been bad at it needing help from the abbot after one regeneration, spending time in a zero room after another and Romana after regenerating on the TARDIS casually tried out several looks before picking one she liked. Even with the war games the time lords on forcing the second doctor to regenerate gave him a choice of several looks before saying "We're done with your griping you get Pertwee".
So only the males of the species have large egos then? I guess nobody remembers Thatcher...
Well don't mention that, facts are not a good idea to add when we have a social justice agenda to push here.
And funnily enough a year later The Doctor will tell Bill that Gallifrey has progressed beyond gender stereotypes. Well clearly not if the General assumes "ego" is a male thing and presumably an INNATELY male thing, not the product of a difference in life experiences since she's still the same person so we're supposed to believe that "ego" is something that flows in the testosterone are we? Meanwhile the Doctor makes quips about "man-flu". Then he has the audacity to say "we've progressed beyond stereotypical ideas of gender" - what in the last twelve months?!?
yeah the sjw stuff is infecting everything
They could have easily made a joke like how the doctor jokes everytime "damn, still not Ginger :( "
Hmmm well Maybe her comment about ego was because of who she was not an general consensus
The doctor being at his lowest here is exactly what it’s like if you lost someone very close to you, multiple people, and you have a chance to keep them with you, you’ll go mad and do everything you can to keep that person alive
It’s like if you lost your loving friend, and you got them back, only to put them back to their death again- it’s terrifying
My guy spent 4 billion years in a confession dial and then put the whole galaxy at risk for Clara, this is simping on a whole 'nother level
Any relationship can be summed up as "simping" then
@@vcom741 how dare people love someone right 😒 especially if its a woman??? Wow, simp
There is beauty in your soul Imagine loving a woman LMAO
Stop using words you don't fully understand. This is not a case of "simping".
He didn't simp.. he loved her very much
Also love doesn't really mean 'get married and stuff'
You can love your friends, family, idols, etc.
Some really angry people here who seem to forget the point of this episode was to show that the Doctor was losing it by this point. By the end of the episode he starts to realize that.
THANK YOU.
I always thought it was weird seeing the doctor use a gun but upon revisiting the classic series he’s done it before.
I did notice the General attempting to appeal to the Doctor's principles. It's interesting to see a Time Lord, a non-renegade one, who actually gets him.
This has always been one of my favorite breaking points for the Doctor.
"Hell Bent" was a story which needed to be told. The Doctor had been driven mad by the drive to save Clara in "Heaven Sent"; it was necessary to show how far he would go to save her, to the point of abandoning whom he is. Clara is the one who brings him back to what he should be, sacrificing herself to go with Me and face her eventual fate, leaving him the message he needs to see: "Go, and be a Doctor".
I still want a Clara and Ashildr spinoff.
This could have had a way deeper role in the episode if the Doctor became Valeyard
Yeah but the Valeyard is boring
God Clara looked so good in this
remember in the first episode of Capaldi where he says "You look at me but you don't see me" yea well I'm guessing Clara knows that feeling now
And of course they have a human compatible mind block laying around openly in the same room, just in case.
I'm pretty sure they just made it on the spot. Also, it's the damned time lords, What's anything to a tardis?
RIP any development in Heaven Sent.
“When you die, you stay dead!”
“But so does he…”
“We’re from Gailfrey! Death is Time Lord for man flu!” 😂
Clara’s seen the War Doctor. She’s frightened and shocked at the sight of the Doctor, after all his adventures, wielding a gun. But a part of her wants to see out the Doctor’s plan - she know’s he’s clever enough to put down the gun eventually, just like he does at the end of The Witch’s Familiar.
This is the moment where Hell Bent went wrong...
No it isn't
If you think that, then maybe you didn’t really understand the message of this final trilogy for Series 9.
Why he didnt do this for Adric? Ah thats right: the Doctor knew that he couldnt just go back and save him and he wasnt the "greatest person in the universe". They overpowered Clara to the point where she has become an excuse, an exception, a loophole in the Doctors universe to justify everytime Moffat has him break character
TheJaviferrol come to think of it, this whole scene ruins the whole prospect of death in this show, because now any time a companion (or anyone, for that matter) dies, the Doctor can just use this 'technology' to essentially make them immortal.
94830 086436 This is epítome of that but lets not act like this is the only Moffat "killed" someone just to bring him back two episodes later.
TheJaviferrol well, I suppose that's true. But all the same, I despise this episode.
94830 086436 Nope; you clearly havent watched the end of Earthshock and beginning of Time Flight.
Besides just the fact that DW decided to kill a child (love him or hate him) back then took a lot of balls; which Moffat limed
TheJaviferrol as a matter of fact, I HAVE watched Earthshock and Time-Flight, and I acknowledged this.
Hated this scene, what ever happened to the man who hates guns?
Lloyd Benson his best friend died and he spent millions of years being tortured to insanity.
Felix Ellis in still doubtful that he retained those memories
That character was invented by rtd, the Doctor used to just prefer peaceful solutions, rtd turned him into a raving pacifist
Not the first time his best friend has died.
Technically he spent a day inside the confession dial.
Mentally and physically.
steelbarber it was not a day. It was a week. We just got the edited highlights.
I thought this was Doctor Who, not Clara Who.
MasterJo Cohen no its Clara Who?
MasterJo Cohen its neither. It’s Moffat who.
At least trying to be the Doctor is what ultimately killed her. If it had ended at "Face the Raven", and "Hell Bent" was focused primarily on the Hybrid (not Doctor/Clara, but Doctor/humanity in general), it would have been a much stronger moral.
that's why I dislike season 9
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CLARA WHO - The Clara Show Trailer
Wait, when he tossed that gun, wasn’t there a cherub statue sitting there smiling? 3:01 Made of stone…like a weeping angel?
Yes
I love how regeneration in this scene specifically is more of an inconvenience if anything
12th Doctor: "There was only one way to keep Clara safe, I had to wipe some of her memory"
"Of what?"
"Of me."
Donna: I've seen this one before!
Okay, now picture a female Time Lord regenerating into a male and saying, "Wow, how DO you deal with all those emotional outbursts?" Not cool, right?
Not only that. He/she said: "Back to normal?"
Imagine if it was a female Time Lord (I refuse to call them Time Ladies) regenerating into male and saying "Back to normal. How do you gals deal with all those hormonal moods?"
But that would be deeply sexist. What we saw in the scene was..."equality". I am pretty sure Jodie Whittaker will go on great length to remark how bad being a man acutally was... (and I am somehow glad I quite "Doctor Who" after the horrible season 9. It was fun while it lasted - means Pre-Moffat - but over is over...)
I agree with yo on that fist this show wants shove political messages down our throat and some one above said(sarcastically that doctor who has never had political messages. Oh, I agree they did but see they had this thing called subtitle. For instant, the doctor has had a black companion before and lots of female companions yet funny enough he never stopped to rant against the time periods. He would make quips about humans and him and his companions would save the day. Martha was in a racist time period but she said all their butts. Also, it's ironic that people think this is a step toward but that comment about men shows how pandering that really being. (Spoiler)
Also, you have people saying there's nothing wrong with a female doctor who but after having all these forced morals, and the fact that that we have had two males turn into female time in such a short time after never having one of our main time lords change gender.
how would that be sexist?
Nice neckbeard. You got a fedora to go with it?
2:35 Ah. The bashing of the nonexistent glass ceiling.
Other points aside, I really like the effect the non-apocalyptic regeneration has. Shimmery.
Its a lot like a classic regeneration. Probably because the energy wasn't building up. It seems like every time the Doctor has an explosive regeneration, its because he was holding it back for extended periods of time. 10 spent a while checking on all of his companions (only the on-screen ones in the show, but its said in other material that he took the time to check on the classic companions as well), and 12 held it off for a few days to go on an adventure with his 1st incarnation.
The only outliers here are 1's new pre-regeneration experience and 11. 1 did the same thing as 12 but had a regeneration in line with the Tenth General's instead of blowing up his TARDIS, and 11's was explosive from my interpretation because he was just granted a brand new regeneration cycle at the end of his life. His ACTUAL regeneration was like a sneeze since the process was still "resetting" and wasn't done
@@StarRider587one jsut had a soft glow
He and war where probably radiating energy for days before letting the change happen
Old age is different to the likes bullet to head rope to neck ect
Instead of one death moment it's a slow thange
“How do you cope with all that ego?” And there’s the agenda..
This was like 4 years ago, and it was a passing remark not meant to take seriously. And actually it's exactly what a woman would say. The 13th Doctor didn't say anything like that when she regenerated however, stop being so sensitive.
Timeless Child seems a bit presumptuous to say that’s what a woman what say..
To be fair, it's a fair question, and the fact that you take exception to it shows your insecurity.
Michael but the fact of the matter is, not all men are full of ego and not all women are without. It’s a generalisation that was unnecessary considering this is meant to be a sci-fi show and in a world of fairness and equality with are we allowing this generalisation of the male gender it’s unfair
@@latenightcoffeeshop7112 not only that. Gallifreyans are supposed to have moved past gender discrimination because they can change gender whenever they regenerate. So it's stupid for The General to say this
Its little things they keep putting into scripts in New Who that just get under my skin: for example; this is meant to be a highly dramatic scene...and yet the Doctor says the word "selfie"... Stop pandering to Instagram and Tumblr fans
Donald Moxham
Yo jinxed it.
Thats basically all of the dr who fanbase at this stage
I would agree apart from the fact that I feel like this regeneration is doing it simply to seem silly, I don't see it as him doing it legitimately, but more so an ironic, "Im saving the world, I'm an alien who's smarter than the entire planet, and I'm doing something stupid because I'm so confident."
Modernity is a bummer.
Dude
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Its the doctor.. he was always this silly. If I may be so bold, I think its just the new doctor not being the old show you are used to from childhood. Rose tinted glasses and whatnot
'are you alright sir?'
*sees it's a madam*
'i mean ma'm'
doctor who at it's peak
Looking at the latest series this had a lot of hints of where doctor who was gonna go.
Really would have liked the twist to be that one of Clara's jumps in history was the Doctor's 13th regeneration, would have given her a final chance at making a mark on the Who-verse and an odd finality for "Clara" to die without really staying dead...
That selfie line was truly dreadful.
Moffat is responsible for some of the worst dialogue in doctor who history, regeneration is like man flu... the TARDIS dematerialisation noise is caused by keeping the brakes on... but the selfie line is the most cringe making of them all.
“Do you mind not farting while I’m saving the world?”
“Would you prefer silent but deadly?”
Nothing has come close to being that awful!
Except the farting lines both worked in context of the episode, and weren't at the expense of the narrative.
Exactly
This was one of the poorer episodes. The episode before this was probably in the top ten best Who episodes of all time
@@MintyCoffee How were any of the lines mentioned in the original comment "at the expense of the narrative"?
I love how The Doctor asked what incarnation The General was on.
In defense of the "how do you cope with all that ego" line, I think it's because she's trying to show that she's alright. Imagine this; you're a soldier, and your superior's just been shot in cold blood. You're likely to panic. The General's being snarky not just as a dig at her last body (which most Time Lords tend to do, anyway, from what we've seen), she's essentially saying, "It's alright. I'm fine. Get back to work." Just my take.
No, its just more poorly written misandrist New Who.
0:22 The Doctor's facial expression is just, "Do you know how many of those 'established historical events' I've changed in the past, General? This is nothing."
The episode still acknowledges that the doctor killed another man, Clara even says it, the whole man flu thing is the doctor trying to justify it. He broke his own rules to save her, he killed a man to save her, he’s fallen into darkness. That’s my take anyway
This.
2:25 the moment palms hit faces across the country.
Regeneration has been confirmed to swap genders before this.
This episode made me so cross
So out of character, the doctor doesn't believe in weapons
WHOTUBE GALLIFREY02 if you were to watch the actual series, many emotional moments tend to push the doctor over the edge, breaking his rules even when he THREATENS someone
I've watched every modern episode numerous times and most of classic who
WHOTUBE GALLIFREY02 then you would know the hatred of guns is more a new thing. The 5th Doctor for example shot and killed several enemies.
You know whenever people bring up the Doctor's "No gun rule" I immediately think back to the 6th Doctor blasting through an Armada of Cybermen.
So he changed his character after the time war
Oh boy...this comment is gonna be long.
I'm one of those fans who got interested in the old series, so I watched the old series (mostly 4th, 5th and 8th in the movie. I don't care what people say, 8th was a very funny Doctor to watch), and while I'm not an old fan, I can clearly say TIMELORDS DON'T REGENERATE INTO TIMELADIES!
I usually admire Moffat for his work, but did he ever take a look at the old stuff? The old series may be cheesy and corny at a times (and they're adorable for that), but they also hold a ton of information. When I came back from watching the old series, I got a TON of questions, like:
1 - Why is the Doctor always accompanied by humans? He used to travel with other aliens, like that princess. Also, why are almost all of them female, why not just a male companion? Without female?
2 - Why are the female companions taking the spotlight that much? Amy Pond was so hard to watch I almost left the series. I mean, my God that girl's story was annoying! Everyone had to stop if anything happened to her, eeeeverything that ocurred was because of her. The Doctor was a side character for Christ's sake!
3 - Why is the Doctor so melodramatic nowadays? I mean, okay, Gallifrey got "destroyed", and he was sad because of it, but 3 regenerations being so affected by it? And yes, I'm counting the war Doctor in that.
4 - Why are the aliens so fixed on Earth? In the old series, all enemy aliens could attack any planet, not just Earth. I can't get my head around the fact that back then they had less resources, yet the planets they created were much more creative. I can't remember most of the locations of the newest Doctors, but I can perfectly remember the place in which the Doctor was brought after he regenerated into 5th, when was unable to wake up and his companions had to take care of him while he healed (kind of like 10th, but with a temple and all).
5 - Why is everything so complicated? I like complex plots which take more than 5 episodes like the next human being, but why are they so....so....you know. With the old series you also had complex stories that took more than 5 episodes at a time, but you never had that feeling that something was wrong all the time. I mean, you knew there was a bad guy and all, but that sinking feeling of semi-despair that shows in the newest series wasn't there...not that much I mean.
6 - Why is everything so freaking dark? Literally, everything is dark. Everything has that background feeling of sadness. Too much drama.
I think I'm done for now. I like the new series, but after watching the old ones, I think the writters could take a look at what happened back then and think about it. People remember the old Doctors for a reason.
An excellent summery of why nuwho is pretty much awful.
point 4 is mainly about budget. It's cheaper to film in "London" (read: Cardiff/Wales) than to make new planet sets.
Damian Freeman Classic Whos budget is miniscule compared to New Who and they did way more alien planet stuff than New Who
What I don't get is his perfect recall of these moments, and can seemingly remember much of Clara's existence, but the thing he forgot her face and the sound of her voice. You'd think (from other sci-fi) that the residual memory would be a face, maybe a laugh. Not a whole day with a faceless voiceless person that you could remember (possibly, we don't know because of the way the formatting is) everything that person said and did with exact precision. I'm a nerd, and I'd like other nerds and geeks to correct my thinking if they think I'm wrong. I don't think for a second that I remember the events of every sci-fi tv program I've watched, but I'd like to assume that I have a good summary on the topic of memory wiping/erasing/blocking.
I really loved how crazy Twelve got and how he totally crossed the line.
When I first saw this I didn't catch the Doctor asking "Regeneration?" and the general replying "10th". Without hearing that it seemed like the Doctor was making a big old assumption (of course even if he didn't ask hypothetically he could have known the various faces of this general).
1:00 Ken Bones is the name of the actor. One of the roles he played is that of Rodney Aronson in the 'The Inspector Lynley Mysteries' episode 'In the Presence of the Enemy'.
I love how the doctor and the general respect each other
Besides all the major problems with this, one thing really sticks out, it's been mentioned a few times, but for example 10 said "Even if I change, it feels like dying." Essentially The Doctor killed a man 1) for no reason 2) So that Clara could pilot a diner in space ... THAT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE A SENTENCE.
Everything about this is Doctor Who at its almost worst.
Jamie well Tennant was a bit melodramatic, none of his other incarnations ever seemed to be upset by regeneration like he was. Still, the Doctor still robbed a man of one of his incarnations
@@EditedAF987 It's called stakes.
Hoganply what stakes? The Doctor shot a guy for no reason when he could’ve easily stunned him or just circled around him and ran off. If he actively attacked the doctor and got shot then I’d understand
Julius Stricto The gun couldn’t stun, and I think the general would have an advantage in a fight
@@EditedAF987 in defense of Ten, he was the shortest lived incarnation canon wise, had gone through an insane amount of loss after getting back to normal from his 9th incarnation and was on his last regeneration (or, at the time, approaching his last one before we knew of the War Doctor)
I wonder what selfies on Galifery are like?
Who knows what face will show?
Some of the most provocative and exciting moments in all of Doctor Who have come from the doctor violating his own principles and going off grid, off script. In all, there aren't that many of these moments, but they resonate like a super nova.
The General's milky white regeneration glow must be what the First Doctor's regeneration looked like within the show's universe.
And probably what the other 7 classic regenerations were meant to look like.
One of the worst scenes of New Who. An excuse to show Time Lords can change race and sex in a single regeneration. Oh, and the priceless comment: "how can men cope with that ego?" Dw writers don't have the balls of saying an equivalent about women.
Serge Kent damn you sound so mad about nothing. Relax.
agreed
Many people became angry because of this scene.
It's not about the skin colour because that makes sense but changing gender just seems ridiculous ,the doctor all of a sudden is bisexual after 50 years
dude they already showed it with missy.
The actress who plays the woman in the red gowns is the same one who plays Julia in Hellraiser 1 and 2, in case anyone is interested :)
2:35 Regenerates as a woman and instantly insults men for no reason.
...Pretty accurate. 😏
They insulted their past regeneration, not men in general. Idiot.
2:40 I think that's a problem with just you mate
God i hate what they have done with regenerations
Regenerations before: violent, grandiose, and powerful. Regeneration now: ooh shiny bright light.
Both of you don't seem to know what you're talking about, 12 regenerations and regenerating into anything has been in canon for 50 years, we're talking Classic Who. Time Lady Romana even regenerated into a grey skinned alien race.
And regenerations have never been explosive in classic who, neither was it grandiose or powerful, in fact they were subtle transitions with minimal effects.
Regenerations are only explosive when its held in for too long. 9 let it go so it did no damage, 10 held it in forever while he visited all of his previous companions and his built up regenration energy destroyed the tardis, 11 was given regeneration energy which caused him to blow up a planet and 12 held it in for about a day and it destroyed his tardis again
Which part, the part about it being less climactic or the part where they can change race/gender? Because it was never really that climactic and changing race/gender has been a thing for a while
Now i could be completely wrong, but regenerations were brought in because Hartnell could no longer do the role abd they wanted to continue the shiw.
The in universe reason given was that they regenerate into a different point in their lifetime.
If i have it wrong then so be it. I gave up on Who years ago
It just feels so wrong that the Doctor would shoot a fellow Timelord (especially one that supported him).
Was expecting a scene in memory of John Hurt. 😢
We know that if nothing else intervenes, a time lord eventually has to regenerate because of old age. And we also know that a time lord usually has a limited number of regererations. So each time you 'kill' a time lord, you're reducing their total life span. Yet the Doctor treats that as if it's irrelevant.
The doctor is lord president at the time
He probably just told them to give the general other 13
Thay have the power and I mean Literal power
As it seemes more like a energy thang the time lords naturally only having enough for 13 but with the prime eye of Harmany and the like can give a boost for good behavior