@@shauntempley9757nah as fun as Lungbarrow is, that isn’t lungbarrow it’s just the barn and the doctor probably didn’t grow up in the physical house of lungbarrow
The ninth is my fav. I'd like to have seen another season with him and Rose. He was the doctor that actually won her heart. The tenth just got the prize
Hopefully we'll get a New New Gallifrey. Strictly speaking, it's the fifteenth Gallifrey since the original, so that makes it New New New New New New New New New New New New New New Gallifrey.
I mean this is *kinda* true. In expanded media, Gallifrey created hundreds of Gallifrey decoy planets, to protect the original. Whilst it’s thought they all were destroyed by the end of The Last Great Time War, who’s to say that this whole time, the original Gallifrey is out there; & it was the decoy that The Master destroyed?
@@Smakka13420 That's one writer's headcanon, at least. Since Gallifrey Original was supposed to have been returned to the universe and the Master explicitly stated that the one he destroyed was located in a bottle reality, it was one of the decoys.
How ? Those on Gallifrey were all killed by the Master. The only ones left are renegades: the Doctor, Susan Foreman, the Master, and potentially the Rani, the Monk, Romana and the War Chief. But I guess they could introduce a new renegade time lord the Doctor never knew about.
The scenes in Gridlock and The Sound of Drums from Series 3 are some of the best scenes that the Doctor talked about Gallifrey, much like how Optimus Prime fondly remembers Cybertron in the Transformers franchise.
I came here to post the same thing. The way the Doctor is, for one moment, vulnerable but relaxed in the end of Gridlock _may_ have made me cry a little.
I honestly need a deep dive into the history of Gallifrey. I tried searching it up since watching new who and ended up more confused than when i started. So far i know they became the way they are now by being exposed to the time vortex i believe for billions of years. They were ruled through a matriarchy by the Pythians, who would later be the sisterhood of khan after rassilon takeover into the age of science from the age of mystical beliefs. However, during the Pythains reign they Conquered a lot of their solar system and other parts. This was also a time where they had natural births apart from the loom births. Susan was the last of the natural births. However, they ruled for 5,200 years before their fall. Rassilon brought in time travel elevating them to time lords. My confusing is what happened during the early years. Did they have time periods like on earth. Civil wars, famine, wars that were on their own planet and faced planetary destruction. I also found out they learned time travel from themselves and when we add this is, it just becomes even more confusing.
Guys I think we may have missed something huge. Rassillon left gallifrey before The Master destroyed it. We could see them come back in a future season
And perhaps the doctor can confront them about The Timeless Child. I think that Rassillon won't know anything about it, and reveal that Division was far beyond Timelord society
Gallifrey a planet whose race already had power and knowledge, but only one sought understanding and fled and traveled throughout the universe becoming part of something bigger.
We know the Master killed the other Time Lords, but the ordinary inhabitants of the planet could have survived, since they didn't live in the citidel and could have escaped the planet's destruction.
Idk I feel like keeping the time war would have been integral in Gallifrey's importance. You can only say you're the "last of the time lords" so many times.
@@mayotango1317 I kinda agree and also don't agree, i like when they play as him being a war veteran and everything. But yeah, i'm tired of RTD trying to make the doctor "sexy" and crying ALL THE DAMN TIME.
DOCTOR WHO? DOCTOR WHO? The name of the Doctor is WHO. its a play on words. Its like the story of the cyclops that had his eye poked out and everytime he was asked "Who did this?" His response was "Nobody" because that was the name of the man that poked his eye out. Children ask that question alot... Who?
@@li0079that was Colin Baker behind Peter Davison, and Capaldi appeared in the (Tennant or Smith run not sure which 🤷) episode about Pompeii, as an important Roman person I believe, that stole the TARDIS, to go joyriding in.😧🤭😆
I've enjoyed many Time Lords in my long life, I must say I've enjoyed each, they're personalities made this series move forward. Sometimes the scripts are weak, however the actors carried them. Kudos, staff, actors and fans this fantastic series moves forward.🙏😇🐦🧡
Gallifrey was saved by the time Rubys Doctor came about...or did I miss a memo? But then I saw the part when the Master Destroyed the citadel...forgot about that
The way Doctor Who described Gallifrey to others, you would think it a paradise. But it looks bleak, barren on visiting. Like to see them go somewhere like New Zealand or Iceland to take location shots to pass for the Time Lord world. Well, they have their reasons.
4:28 I’d like the idea that she was talking to the master. Obviously made after but the dr being the original time lord, why would he be with some strangers at a foster house
Sometimes I’d reimagine the Timeless Child being the Master or somebody else so that it makes his god complex sound a lot more sense. I also think if the Fugitive Doctor should been rewritten as something else. Let’s say for example if she IS the Thirteen Doctor but from an alternate future, instead of being one of their actual first incarnation before William Hartnell.
I lost most of my interest when the Gallifreyans were casually killed off again, and when the Doctor murdered a TARDIS without showing any concern or remorse....
I'm still trying to figure out the anniversary episode with John hurt. So was it not saved? Or now that it was saved than this doctor is irrelevant like Jodie
The Time Lords sent the 4th Doctor out on a mission to annihilate the Daleks before they could be made. Genesis of the Daleks is considered the first shot of the Time War because the Doctor failed that mission.
All that work and effort for the War Doctor and the incarnations to change the Time War to save all those innocent children and only to make it all mean nothing 😑
Two ways to solve the problem of The Timeless Children The Bi-generation event that made the 15th doctor screwed up somehow. Whoops, #15 is just a normal, ordinary Time Lord with 12 regenerations. Tennant's 14th doctor is still out there roaming the universe and that Doctor is the one who carries unlimited regeneration. Or.... The Master was lying to cover up that HE is the timeless child and he just wanted the Doctor to feel like they were never really part of Time Lord society and hoped it would break the Doctor.
Apart from the reveal that the Doctor was the origin of regeneration, there is no problem with the other reveals of the Timeless Child. I understand disliking the reveal of the Doctor being the origin of regeneration, as that makes them the inherent reason for the existence of the Time Lords, because without them, no regeneration. But the other reveals of the Timeless Child are brilliant and fit perfectly with the Doctor’s character and the canon of the show. The idea of Pre-Hartnell Doctors has been there since the first post-regeneration story The Power of the Daleks in 1966, confirmed in The Brain of Morbius in 1976, and subtly hinted throughout the 7th Doctor’s era. It also adds to the titular question of the show, making their past more unknown and mysterious. Speaking as an adoptee, the Doctor being a foundling adoptee really builds on the pre-existing characterisation of the Doctor. A core part of the Doctor’s character are abandonment issues, they hate being left behind, but also hate being alone and have a deep need to feel wanted, shown by how they adopt companions and continue to build one huge adoptive family. As well as this, they felt out of place on Gallifrey and lacked a secure sense of belonging amongst the Gallifreyans, partly because they disagreed with Time Lord society, but I think it's always been deeper than that. The Doctor’s always been an adoptee coded character. Being separated from our birth parents is a traumatic event, even if it happens as a baby, because you one day lose everything you knew, the bonds we made with our birth parents, which creates difficulties going forward like abandonment and separation issues. We can also lack a secure sense of belonging amongst our adoptive family and the people around us. To emphasise, it's not that we don't belong in our adoptive family because we aren't biological related to them, it's just a feeling that naturally occurs when we lose everything we knew and no longer have genetic mirroring around us, people who look like us. Which results in these feelings of not completely fitting in and loneliness. All of this is the Doctor. I’ve seen some people say that the Doctor not being from Gallifrey means that they’re not a real Gallifreyan or Time Lord. I’ve heard rhetoric like this before when people find out or know that I’m adopted, asking me if I know my “real parents” aka my birth parents, which is a common term used by non adoptees in society to reference birth parents, suggesting that adoptive parents aren’t the real parents of their adopted child because they’re not biologically related, but nothing could be further from the truth because like Graham said in Resolution, being a parent and being a family isn’t about DNA, it’s about what you do. Having an adopted identity doesn't mean that it’s not legitimate, whether that's adoption or someone who’s not native to the country that they grew up in. The Doctor is equally Gallifreyan & whatever planet they're from. Plus, we know that Gallifreyans become Time Lords through training at the Academy, so hypothetically any species could become a Time Lord. The reveal that the Doctor is a foundling is a really unforced way to make the character mysterious again, because for a foundling & everyone else who doesn’t know, it’s like their beginning in life was being found abandoned, everything that came before is completely unknown to everyone, apart from the birth mother and anyone else she told like the father, other family, or friends, it’s different for every situation. A Foundling grows up not knowing the basic fundamental facts of their personal identity, where they came from, the circumstances of their birth, their parentage, & heritage. Which naturally raises the question "Who Am I?" fitting perfectly with the titular question of the show: Doctor Who?
@@Jamezevans123 i can tell this is clearly important to you but i just want to clarify, i don't care about the timeless child reveal one way or another. It's a tv show, I've been reading comics since the 90's, unpopular stuff can always be rewritten, changed, retconned, etc. I was just throwing out ideas cause so many people are just so whiny about that episode.
@@glenngriffon8032 The thing that people seem dislike the most about the Timeless Child is the Doctor being the source of regeneration, and I just wish that people would understand that they don’t need to dismiss the entire reveal, because you could retcon that element and the other things revealed wouldn’t be affected, which I think are brilliant and strong ideas. To retcon the Doctor being the origin of regeneration, you could say that it was a part of the Toymaker’s jigsaw. When he came into the universe, he saw that Missy had turned good and so to mess with the Doctor and Master’s relationship, he found the hidden images of the Doctor’s forgotten past in the Matrix, then cut out a number of images to make it appear as if regeneration had come from the Doctor, when instead the images cut out showed that before the Doctor fell from the cliff and regenerated, she was exposed to the untempered schism by Tecteun and other scientists like Rassilon and Omega, for a few hours everyday across a few years, which gave them the ability to regenerate, after which Tecteun experimented on them to understand and perfect the ability. Meaning they could’ve used anyone on Gallifrey, but it was just the Doctor because she was Tecteun’s child. This could work as when the 13th Doctor met Tecteun face to face in Flux, she never mentioned anything about the Doctor being the origin of regeneration.
NO!!! THAT is NOT why it's hated!!! (Did you recive head trauma in your formative years, or are just a victim of the intellectual poison being perpetrated upon the Western World???
No. Just no. Daleks were one of many the Doctor fought. By himself,btw, according to the early series. I refuse to believe a threat stymied by only ONE time lord was capable of killing the rest
30:05 While I’m still split on how RTD handled the return of Sutekh, I do hope we get another story with The Valeyard because his storyline and placement is more complicated then the Timeless Child
Wouldn’t say that his placement is complicated. The Master said valeyard is between the doctor’s 12th and final incarnation which means he could be placed anywhere from tennant’s 10th Doctor (stolen earth-end of time) and whichever incarnation is the current one or he could even be somewhere in the doctor’s future still. I like how vague they made his placement lmao gives future writers a lot of wiggle room
Cos the master killed them all after we learn about the timeless child Not saying I like it, it's happened and that's that unless someone retcons it or finds a way to redo it
How to fix Gallifrey's destruction: The Matrix calls the Doctor for help, gives him two genetic codes and he rebuilds the Time Lords, by creating two Time Lords. Then, The Matrix tells him he's not the Timeless Children, that the Master misunderstood. That there was a "The Doctor" before him, who was the Timeless Children.
@@Lemuel928 I think the Master that 13 fought was after that point. Missy came immediately after Gallifrey came back, but before they moved it to the end of the universe for protection. That must have been where he came from.
For those complaining about the Timeless Child, I get not liking the reveal that the Doctor was the origin of regeneration, because it means without them, Time Lord society would never have been founded, making them too important. But the other reveals about the Doctor like having Pre-Hartnell lives, working for Division, being involved in the Founding of Time Lord society as an engineer/scientist, Tecteun being their parent, and being a foundling adoptee all fit with the Doctor’s character and the canon of the show.
And didn't the Brain of Morbius introduced the existence of Doctors that existed before Hartnell... I've never seen the episode but apparently there were new Doctors in that one
@@princedeven5829 Yes, absolutely. But the idea of Pre-Hartnell Doctors even goes further back than that to The Power of the Daleks, the first post-regeneration story in 1966. In the scene where the newly regenerated Second Doctor rummages through a chest of trinkets, there was a part cut from the script where he took out a ring and said to Ben and Polly that he wore it the last time he was renewed, saying that this wasn’t his first time. But even though that part was cut, Moffat pointed out in an interview that the Second Doctor acted throughout The Power of the Daleks as if he’d gone through the regeneration process before, so that idea that it wasn’t the first time must’ve been in David Whitaker’s mind as he was writing the script.
IIRC, the last episode of Doctor #2, the Time Lords forced a regeneration upon the Doctor as a punishment. Quite the kaliediscope of Doctor's faces appeared, implying more than two at the time
Canon doesn’t need to be fixed because the Timeless Child didn’t ruin anything. I understand disliking the reveal of the Doctor being the origin of regeneration, as that makes them the inherent reason for the existence of the Time Lords, because without them, no regeneration. But the other reveals are brilliant and fit perfectly with the Doctor’s character and the canon of the show. The idea of Pre-Hartnell Doctors has been there since the first post-regeneration story The Power of the Daleks in 1966, confirmed in The Brain of Morbius in 1976, and subtly hinted throughout the 7th Doctor’s era. It also adds to the titular question of the show, making their past more unknown and mysterious. Speaking as an adoptee, the Doctor being a foundling adoptee really builds on the pre-existing characterisation of the Doctor. A core part of the Doctor’s character are abandonment issues, they hate being left behind, but also hate being alone and have a deep need to feel wanted, shown by how they adopt companions and continue to build one huge adoptive family. As well as this, they felt out of place on Gallifrey and lacked a secure sense of belonging amongst the Gallifreyans, partly because they disagreed with Time Lord society, but I think it's always been deeper than that. Speaking as an adoptee, the Doctor’s always been an adoptee coded character. Being separated from our birth parents is a traumatic event, even if it happens as a baby, because you one day lose everything you knew, the bonds we made with our birth parents, which creates difficulties going forward like abandonment and separation issues. We can also lack a secure sense of belonging amongst our adoptive family and the people around us. To emphasise, it's not that we don't belong in our adoptive family because we aren't biological related to them, it's just a feeling that naturally occurs when we lose everything we knew and no longer have genetic mirroring around us, people who look like us. Which results in these feelings of not completely fitting in and loneliness. All of this is the Doctor. I’ve seen some people say that the Doctor not being from Gallifrey means that they’re not a real Gallifreyan or Time Lord. I’ve heard rhetoric like this before when people find out or know that I’m adopted, asking me if I know my “real parents” aka my birth parents, which is a common term used by non adoptees in society to reference birth parents, suggesting that adoptive parents aren’t the real parents of their adopted child because they’re not biologically related, but nothing could be further from the truth because like Graham said in Resolution, being a parent and being a family isn’t about DNA, it’s about what you do. Having an adopted identity doesn't mean that it’s not legitimate, whether that's adoption or someone who’s not native to the country that they grew up in. The Doctor is equally Gallifreyan & whatever planet they're from. Plus, we know that Gallifreyans become Time Lords through training at the Academy, so hypothetically any species could become a Time Lord. The reveal that the Doctor is a foundling is a really unforced way to make the character mysterious again, because for a foundling & everyone else who doesn’t know, it’s like their beginning in life was being found abandoned, everything that came before is completely unknown to everyone, apart from the birth mother and anyone else she told like the father, other family, or friends, it’s different for every situation. A Foundling grows up not knowing the basic fundamental facts of their personal identity, where they came from, the circumstances of their birth, their parentage, & heritage. Which naturally raises the question "Who Am I?" fitting perfectly with the titular question of the show: Doctor Who?
That's not my problem that the doctor was a woman and the original regeneration, my problem is that they threw away the story of Galifray and how the 13 doctors saved the planet in the last time war @@Jamezevans123
@ 🤣🤣🤣 10 years ago I wouldn’t have been called racist but hey ho your entitled to your opinion. My comment is a criticism to the writers because they are injecting gender and race into a franchise I grew up watching. It’s not what it used to be and I don’t like it. And I know I’m not alone one this.
This is honestly the worst doctor of them all. Had to take a pause on the show till 2026 when he’s gone 🤦♀️😭 I never thought they would make doctor who act gay and become a musical… completely not his character. I do recommend the show just not the most recent doctor lol 😅
@@taylor15589 I totally agree. It's best to stop with Series 10, or Twice Upon a Time (and ignore Whitaker) Now I only keep on with the Big Finish (as long as they do not involve the Chibnall nor RTD2 era)
The planet, unlike Alderon in another universe, is still there. And who's to say there weren't time lords off world ... the Rani among others. And the Master? So, the Doctor is never the last Time Lord.
Having the Time Lords obliterated by the Master and the Doctor again becoming the last of the Time Lords, after all of the episodes that revolved around them coming back.....is very annoying!
Never understood why he always claimed to be the last of the time lords... When there are still other time lords. And some how they keep bringing them back. 😂
I’m looking forward to the story that catches up with Rassilon. He’s been living on some busy space station pumping fuel. Or even better, selling chips at a convenience store.
The Timeless Child doesn’t suck at all. I understand disliking the reveal of the Doctor being the origin of regeneration, as that makes them the inherent reason for the existence of the Time Lords, because without them, no regeneration. But the other reveals of the Timeless Child are brilliant and fit perfectly with the Doctor’s character and the canon of the show. The idea of Pre-Hartnell Doctors has been there since the first post-regeneration story The Power of the Daleks in 1966, confirmed in The Brain of Morbius in 1976, and subtly hinted throughout the 7th Doctor’s era. It also adds to the titular question of the show, making their past more unknown and mysterious. Speaking as an adoptee, the Doctor being a foundling adoptee really builds on the pre-existing characterisation of the Doctor. A core part of the Doctor’s character are abandonment issues, they hate being left behind, but also hate being alone and have a deep need to feel wanted, shown by how they adopt companions and continue to build one huge adoptive family. As well as this, they felt out of place on Gallifrey and lacked a secure sense of belonging amongst the Gallifreyans, partly because they disagreed with Time Lord society, but I think it's always been deeper than that. Speaking as an adoptee, the Doctor’s always been an adoptee coded character. Being separated from our birth parents is a traumatic event, even if it happens as a baby, because you one day lose everything you knew, the bonds we made with our birth parents, which creates difficulties going forward like abandonment and separation issues. We can also lack a secure sense of belonging amongst our adoptive family and the people around us. To emphasise, it's not that we don't belong in our adoptive family because we aren't biological related to them, it's just a feeling that naturally occurs when we lose everything we knew and no longer have genetic mirroring around us, people who look like us. Which results in these feelings of not completely fitting in and loneliness. All of this is the Doctor. I’ve seen some people say that the Doctor not being from Gallifrey means that they’re not a real Gallifreyan or Time Lord. I’ve heard rhetoric like this before when people find out or know that I’m adopted, asking me if I know my “real parents” aka my birth parents, which is a common term used by non adoptees in society to reference birth parents, suggesting that adoptive parents aren’t the real parents of their adopted child because they’re not biologically related, but nothing could be further from the truth because like Graham said in Resolution, being a parent and being a family isn’t about DNA, it’s about what you do. Having an adopted identity doesn't mean that it’s not legitimate, whether that's adoption or someone who’s not native to the country that they grew up in. The Doctor is equally Gallifreyan & whatever planet they're from. Plus, we know that Gallifreyans become Time Lords through training at the Academy, so hypothetically any species could become a Time Lord. The reveal that the Doctor is a foundling is a really unforced way to make the character mysterious again, because for a foundling & everyone else who doesn’t know, it’s like their beginning in life was being found abandoned, everything that came before is completely unknown to everyone, apart from the birth mother and anyone else she told like the father, other family, or friends, it’s different for every situation. A Foundling grows up not knowing the basic fundamental facts of their personal identity, where they came from, the circumstances of their birth, their parentage, & heritage. Which naturally raises the question "Who Am I?" fitting perfectly with the titular question of the show: Doctor Who?
@@Jamezevans123 First of all, let's clear up an important point about The Brain of Morbius (1976). There's been a lot of confusion regarding the faces shown in that episode, and it’s incorrect to say they were “confirmed” as incarnations of the Doctor. In reality, those images were meant to represent Morbius' past lives, and that was made quite clear in the story. However, some people(looking at you, Chibnall!)-misinterpreted them as earlier versions of the Doctor. Unfortunately, that misunderstanding was later reinforced. But I preffer what RTD did, essentially made the Doctor's history more fluid and flexible. By doing this, RTD has left the Doctor’s timeline in a state where it can change at any moment, so he can add and exclude doctors as he wants, the doctor, the doctor can die when he was idk,5th and still be alive. what RTD confirmed is what TRULY fixed the real problems with the timeless children: nothing is real, and everything is real. Some of what you have seen on the show, happend, some didn't. that makes everything easier to all writers(a bit confusing for those who likes canon tho, but meh, its a time travel show, I'm fine with it)
@@FelipeA81Nope. You are the one who is wrong. Those faces were always the Doctor. It’s the misconception they were Morbius that was invented after the fact by people who refused to accept the actual facts.
Trouble being, of course, time travel. History ceases to be a thing. As 1 testily reminds Ian in "The Web Planet". (And "Time Wars" complicate the picture even further).
If anyone from the BBC monitors these comments please read on. Doctor Who, and it's fandom are so divided and frustrated, more than I've witnessed across 50 years I've been watching. What we need is some good news... really good news... really really really good news. Can you oblige?
The themes in many of these clips are so close to the corruption, betrayal, treason, loyalty to only one's own selfishness, all hit a bit too close to home for me here in the USA after our insane voters have embraced hate, racism, sexism, and all the worst parts of our society in exchange for, they think, economic prosperity. These people will soon learn their folly, but so, unfortunately, will the rest of us. Pray for us.
Hopefully after a 10-20 year break until a fan brings in back. But first this nurse what filth has to go. Every second it exists it disrespects doctor who more than anything ever could.
@@wardjunior1450I feel like this comment represents everything wrong with the attitudes amongst dr who haters. Complete lack of understanding of how… anything works. Very obviously. Anyone with a brain can tell you that a 20 year ‘break’ (if a TV show is gone for 20 years it’s very likely not coming back) is not good for a show. Obviously terrible idea motivated not by love of the show but by dissatisfaction with the world in general. If someone’s issue is not with the show but with wider societal issues, they should not be listened to when it comes to discussing what to do with the show. Apologies for the long comment but your initial post was so silly I felt like I had to write it
So... Can anybody explain what happend between the last "Timeless Child/Division Doctor" and "the First Doctor" aka the Kid in the Barn before entering The Academy of TimeLords?
The timeless child was the worst writing to ever plaige a this show. The second worst was putting modern political opinions in it. It was good pure science fiction and its now become a political correctness campain.
I agree, but I would like the Tennant-Doctor to be the last Doctor. So at the end of the 60 years-Specials, when he found his new "family", that's when the real Doctor Who ended. Unfortunately between Capaldi and Tennant 2 is still the Whitaker-era.
Puuuuleeeeeeaaas. This is like the only show ever made that has no reason to end EVER. Also the last two seasons, while not perfect, were a big improvement in my opinion. Doctor who is a show made to change and grow. The only thing holding it back is that the BBC has a love affair with RTD's specific version of the show and refuses to let new blood take over and try something new.
When the Doctor killed Death he brought countless beings back to life . One may assume Gallifrey is going to make itself known at some point . And for Rassillon's sakes let's bring back the Rani !
15s explanation of the time lords was such rotten acting .. genuinely didn't understand how deep that speech should have been .. look at 10s speech for example
Newest doctor just had no feelings when talking about Gallifrey. Seriously should've casted better actor. Richard Ayoade would've made better doctor. Better actor while being able to show some goofy side.
@@DrWhoFanJ I'm not lying. Anyone who isn't fanboy would agree with me. I'm also writing on phone so mistakes easily happen. Not to mention that knowing foreign language's grammar isn't tied to intelligence
@@Tespri You are lying. No-one intelligent would agree with someone who keeps saying things that aren’t true. I’m writing on a phone as well and I’m not making any mistakes.
I will never not get tired of the way Clara's eyes inflate at 4:00 when she realizes whose bed she's hiding under.
What I love about all of that, is that the house she is visiting, and the Doctor grew up in is Lungbarrow.
@@shauntempley9757nah as fun as Lungbarrow is, that isn’t lungbarrow it’s just the barn and the doctor probably didn’t grow up in the physical house of lungbarrow
@@Unclep318 Lungbarrow was always described as a barn. Which is why I enjoyed it.
Douglas Adams once said “never destroy [your home world] in chapter 3 of the first book, you are going to need it later.” 😂
Lmao
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"Don't destroy the world, it's where I keep all my stuff!"
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Good God, David Tennant as the Tenth Doctor was amazing
He was the best.
The ninth is my fav. I'd like to have seen another season with him and Rose. He was the doctor that actually won her heart. The tenth just got the prize
He was the better doctor.
"Gallifrey Falls No More"
No, Gallifrey falls more.
(Thx Chibs)
@@TA-zq3ezTechnically, it's not Gallifrey that fell; it was the Gallifreyans alone, this time.
@@UomodAltriTempi true, but with the entire civilization of a planet being massacred, you may as well say the planet itself fell.
It's actually "Gallifrey Falls No More (Until Next Time)"
Chibnall what a man you are
All 13?!?!?!?!?!?
Hopefully we'll get a New New Gallifrey. Strictly speaking, it's the fifteenth Gallifrey since the original, so that makes it New New New New New New New New New New New New New New Gallifrey.
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Yes!
Neometrixtopia Gallifrey..Rebuilt on a new Lego Set Universe.
This Gallifrey was rebuilt on every lego universe before the first Lego Universe was destroyed.
I mean this is *kinda* true.
In expanded media, Gallifrey created hundreds of Gallifrey decoy planets, to protect the original.
Whilst it’s thought they all were destroyed by the end of The Last Great Time War, who’s to say that this whole time, the original Gallifrey is out there; & it was the decoy that The Master destroyed?
@@Smakka13420 That's one writer's headcanon, at least. Since Gallifrey Original was supposed to have been returned to the universe and the Master explicitly stated that the one he destroyed was located in a bottle reality, it was one of the decoys.
Are they trying to hint us that the Time Lords might come back in Series 15?
Or the main villain is a time lord.
Hope that they retcon the timeless child to be a different time lord like the other or the unbound doctor
How ? Those on Gallifrey were all killed by the Master. The only ones left are renegades: the Doctor, Susan Foreman, the Master, and potentially the Rani, the Monk, Romana and the War Chief. But I guess they could introduce a new renegade time lord the Doctor never knew about.
@@Spectritus and Omega.
@@adamcousins5788 Yes. Thanks for pointing that out.
The scenes in Gridlock and The Sound of Drums from Series 3 are some of the best scenes that the Doctor talked about Gallifrey, much like how Optimus Prime fondly remembers Cybertron in the Transformers franchise.
I came here to post the same thing. The way the Doctor is, for one moment, vulnerable but relaxed in the end of Gridlock _may_ have made me cry a little.
61 years and the BBC finally have an official Gallifrey translator!
The music when 10 is talking to Martha and Jack is so good
It’s incredible!!
It's called 'This is Gallifrey, Our Childhood, Our Home'.
It's called "This is Gallifrey, our childhood, our home" one of Murray Gold's best in my opinion.
Ever the mystery. Great planet, Gallifrey. Excellent video.
The Five Doctors clip was a good closure for this compilation. 👍🏻
“The daisiest daisy” reminds me of 13’s last words, “the blossomiest blossom” 🌼
That's where it came from
I honestly need a deep dive into the history of Gallifrey. I tried searching it up since watching new who and ended up more confused than when i started. So far i know they became the way they are now by being exposed to the time vortex i believe for billions of years. They were ruled through a matriarchy by the Pythians, who would later be the sisterhood of khan after rassilon takeover into the age of science from the age of mystical beliefs. However, during the Pythains reign they Conquered a lot of their solar system and other parts. This was also a time where they had natural births apart from the loom births. Susan was the last of the natural births. However, they ruled for 5,200 years before their fall. Rassilon brought in time travel elevating them to time lords. My confusing is what happened during the early years. Did they have time periods like on earth. Civil wars, famine, wars that were on their own planet and faced planetary destruction. I also found out they learned time travel from themselves and when we add this is, it just becomes even more confusing.
I hope the time lords come back they were good
I want a Gallifrey series.
Guys I think we may have missed something huge. Rassillon left gallifrey before The Master destroyed it. We could see them come back in a future season
And perhaps the doctor can confront them about The Timeless Child. I think that Rassillon won't know anything about it, and reveal that Division was far beyond Timelord society
"It's The End...but The Moment has been prepared for...."
Gallifrey a planet whose race already had power and knowledge, but only one sought understanding and fled and traveled throughout the universe becoming part of something bigger.
Rassilon is the epitome of “you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain”
We know the Master killed the other Time Lords, but the ordinary inhabitants of the planet could have survived, since they didn't live in the citidel and could have escaped the planet's destruction.
I'm guessing those people died during the Time War, and all of the survivors all gathered in the citadel...
The shinobans??
Idk I feel like keeping the time war would have been integral in Gallifrey's importance. You can only say you're the "last of the time lords" so many times.
The Time War was just a plot-device to make the Doctor a sexy crybaby.
Gallifrey should never have been brought back
@@mayotango1317It really wasn’t, and, if it had been, then it failed because the Doctor has never been such.
@@DaDaPieGamingNo, Gallifrey should returns.
@@mayotango1317 I kinda agree and also don't agree, i like when they play as him being a war veteran and everything.
But yeah, i'm tired of RTD trying to make the doctor "sexy" and crying ALL THE DAMN TIME.
DOCTOR WHO? DOCTOR WHO?
The name of the Doctor is WHO. its a play on words. Its like the story of the cyclops that had his eye poked out and everytime he was asked "Who did this?" His response was "Nobody" because that was the name of the man that poked his eye out. Children ask that question alot... Who?
Fitting that I just finished rewatching _The Timeless Children_ the second this video was uploaded!
Condolences.
@@normietwiceremoved 💀
@@normietwiceremoved No need for condolences. I enjoyed it.
@@DrWhoFanJSame
@@DrWhoFanJ At this point, I'm glad some people enjoy it, I hate like, a lot. glad someone did had fun.
i love the music Hands down 'best ever
I love the transitions
28:45 they hawe two doctors in the same place? Not only Capaldi was recasted as a Doctor after they other apparance in the show!
Wait that actor behind Peter Davidson (5th doctor) is Peter Capaldi???? (12th doctor)
I thought it was Colin Bacer (6th doctor)
@@li0079that was Colin Baker behind Peter Davison, and Capaldi appeared in the (Tennant or Smith run not sure which 🤷) episode about Pompeii, as an important Roman person I believe, that stole the TARDIS, to go joyriding in.😧🤭😆
Patrick Troughton was in a First Doctor episode I believe
@@li0079that is Colin baker behind Davison.
@@coypandora0795Yes, _The Tenth Planet: Episode 4._
I've enjoyed many Time Lords in my long life, I must say I've enjoyed each, they're personalities made this series move forward. Sometimes the scripts are weak, however the actors carried them. Kudos, staff, actors and fans this fantastic series moves forward.🙏😇🐦🧡
The last half was the best
Gallifrey our childhood our home. A beautiful piece of music
Doctor isn’t the only one from his world out there. There is still The Master who is also out there.
20:27 Bring. Him. Back. Please?
Gallifrey was saved by the time Rubys Doctor came about...or did I miss a memo? But then I saw the part when the Master Destroyed the citadel...forgot about that
The way Doctor Who described Gallifrey to others, you would think it a paradise. But it looks bleak, barren on visiting. Like to see them go somewhere like New Zealand or Iceland to take location shots to pass for the Time Lord world. Well, they have their reasons.
4:28 I’d like the idea that she was talking to the master. Obviously made after but the dr being the original time lord, why would he be with some strangers at a foster house
GRAHHH TIME MONSTER MENTIONED 🐔🐔🔥🔥🐔🐔 KRONOS SWEEP!!!!!
Sometimes I’d reimagine the Timeless Child being the Master or somebody else so that it makes his god complex sound a lot more sense.
I also think if the Fugitive Doctor should been rewritten as something else. Let’s say for example if she IS the Thirteen Doctor but from an alternate future, instead of being one of their actual first incarnation before William Hartnell.
Nice to see the classic Who after so much reboot Who.
And especially with more issues going on with BBC iPlayer regarding classic who episodes. Though fortunately they don't effect any Gallifrey episodes.
I hope gallifrey returns in series 15 🤞
There was an episode where 4 Time Lords saved their planet
I lost most of my interest when the Gallifreyans were casually killed off again, and when the Doctor murdered a TARDIS without showing any concern or remorse....
17:40. Thoughts and prayers guys
Great Work. And Funny.
I'm still trying to figure out the anniversary episode with John hurt. So was it not saved? Or now that it was saved than this doctor is irrelevant like Jodie
I always wondered how the time war started. Maybe we’ll make that into a special.
The Time Lords sent the 4th Doctor out on a mission to annihilate the Daleks before they could be made. Genesis of the Daleks is considered the first shot of the Time War because the Doctor failed that mission.
Daleks got a bit too greedy in their conquest, Time Lords decided to finally step in rather than observe.
Patrick Stewart looking fine 😅
All that work and effort for the War Doctor and the incarnations to change the Time War to save all those innocent children and only to make it all mean nothing 😑
Am I the only one who thinks that those faces in the stone are what become weeping angels?
The character development with 15 is Amazon because he seems more accepting and open to talking about it with new people he meets
He DESTROYED the Doctor.
@@geofftottenperthcoys9944 no he never.
Ncuti is The Doctor wether you like it or not
What ? No clips from Series 1 with Christopher Eccleston ?
Probably cuz he doesn't refer to Gallifrey by name. The name isn't uttered in the modern era til Tennant in "The Runaway Bride".
is it very difficult to make it on the chronological order?
Wow, Gallifrey
Two ways to solve the problem of The Timeless Children
The Bi-generation event that made the 15th doctor screwed up somehow. Whoops, #15 is just a normal, ordinary Time Lord with 12 regenerations. Tennant's 14th doctor is still out there roaming the universe and that Doctor is the one who carries unlimited regeneration.
Or.... The Master was lying to cover up that HE is the timeless child and he just wanted the Doctor to feel like they were never really part of Time Lord society and hoped it would break the Doctor.
Apart from the reveal that the Doctor was the origin of regeneration, there is no problem with the other reveals of the Timeless Child. I understand disliking the reveal of the Doctor being the origin of regeneration, as that makes them the inherent reason for the existence of the Time Lords, because without them, no regeneration. But the other reveals of the Timeless Child are brilliant and fit perfectly with the Doctor’s character and the canon of the show. The idea of Pre-Hartnell Doctors has been there since the first post-regeneration story The Power of the Daleks in 1966, confirmed in The Brain of Morbius in 1976, and subtly hinted throughout the 7th Doctor’s era. It also adds to the titular question of the show, making their past more unknown and mysterious.
Speaking as an adoptee, the Doctor being a foundling adoptee really builds on the pre-existing characterisation of the Doctor. A core part of the Doctor’s character are abandonment issues, they hate being left behind, but also hate being alone and have a deep need to feel wanted, shown by how they adopt companions and continue to build one huge adoptive family. As well as this, they felt out of place on Gallifrey and lacked a secure sense of belonging amongst the Gallifreyans, partly because they disagreed with Time Lord society, but I think it's always been deeper than that.
The Doctor’s always been an adoptee coded character. Being separated from our birth parents is a traumatic event, even if it happens as a baby, because you one day lose everything you knew, the bonds we made with our birth parents, which creates difficulties going forward like abandonment and separation issues. We can also lack a secure sense of belonging amongst our adoptive family and the people around us. To emphasise, it's not that we don't belong in our adoptive family because we aren't biological related to them, it's just a feeling that naturally occurs when we lose everything we knew and no longer have genetic mirroring around us, people who look like us. Which results in these feelings of not completely fitting in and loneliness. All of this is the Doctor.
I’ve seen some people say that the Doctor not being from Gallifrey means that they’re not a real Gallifreyan or Time Lord. I’ve heard rhetoric like this before when people find out or know that I’m adopted, asking me if I know my “real parents” aka my birth parents, which is a common term used by non adoptees in society to reference birth parents, suggesting that adoptive parents aren’t the real parents of their adopted child because they’re not biologically related, but nothing could be further from the truth because like Graham said in Resolution, being a parent and being a family isn’t about DNA, it’s about what you do. Having an adopted identity doesn't mean that it’s not legitimate, whether that's adoption or someone who’s not native to the country that they grew up in. The Doctor is equally Gallifreyan & whatever planet they're from. Plus, we know that Gallifreyans become Time Lords through training at the Academy, so hypothetically any species could become a Time Lord.
The reveal that the Doctor is a foundling is a really unforced way to make the character mysterious again, because for a foundling & everyone else who doesn’t know, it’s like their beginning in life was being found abandoned, everything that came before is completely unknown to everyone, apart from the birth mother and anyone else she told like the father, other family, or friends, it’s different for every situation. A Foundling grows up not knowing the basic fundamental facts of their personal identity, where they came from, the circumstances of their birth, their parentage, & heritage. Which naturally raises the question "Who Am I?" fitting perfectly with the titular question of the show: Doctor Who?
@@Jamezevans123 i can tell this is clearly important to you but i just want to clarify, i don't care about the timeless child reveal one way or another. It's a tv show, I've been reading comics since the 90's, unpopular stuff can always be rewritten, changed, retconned, etc.
I was just throwing out ideas cause so many people are just so whiny about that episode.
@@glenngriffon8032 The thing that people seem dislike the most about the Timeless Child is the Doctor being the source of regeneration, and I just wish that people would understand that they don’t need to dismiss the entire reveal, because you could retcon that element and the other things revealed wouldn’t be affected, which I think are brilliant and strong ideas.
To retcon the Doctor being the origin of regeneration, you could say that it was a part of the Toymaker’s jigsaw. When he came into the universe, he saw that Missy had turned good and so to mess with the Doctor and Master’s relationship, he found the hidden images of the Doctor’s forgotten past in the Matrix, then cut out a number of images to make it appear as if regeneration had come from the Doctor, when instead the images cut out showed that before the Doctor fell from the cliff and regenerated, she was exposed to the untempered schism by Tecteun and other scientists like Rassilon and Omega, for a few hours everyday across a few years, which gave them the ability to regenerate, after which Tecteun experimented on them to understand and perfect the ability. Meaning they could’ve used anyone on Gallifrey, but it was just the Doctor because she was Tecteun’s child. This could work as when the 13th Doctor met Tecteun face to face in Flux, she never mentioned anything about the Doctor being the origin of regeneration.
@@Jamezevans123 I just wanted to say that I really appreciate the amount of thought you've put into this and I enjoyed reading your comments.
NO!!! THAT is NOT why it's hated!!! (Did you recive head trauma in your formative years, or are just a victim of the intellectual poison being perpetrated upon the Western World???
No. Just no. Daleks were one of many the Doctor fought. By himself,btw, according to the early series. I refuse to believe a threat stymied by only ONE time lord was capable of killing the rest
Technically Romana is also a TimeLord in E or is in N space.
2:29 that was such a smooth transition tho!!! 🔥
The DOCTOR was given the "matrix"?!!!
Tennant still the best Doctor TO THIS DAY
Exactly why he came back many times. He was the most popular. He’s my favorite too
love this
30:05 While I’m still split on how RTD handled the return of Sutekh, I do hope we get another story with The Valeyard because his storyline and placement is more complicated then the Timeless Child
Wouldn’t say that his placement is complicated. The Master said valeyard is between the doctor’s 12th and final incarnation which means he could be placed anywhere from tennant’s 10th Doctor (stolen earth-end of time) and whichever incarnation is the current one or he could even be somewhere in the doctor’s future still. I like how vague they made his placement lmao gives future writers a lot of wiggle room
0:10 in and I can’t take it seriously.
Why would he say that???
He knows that’s not true. It was the whole point of the 50th anniversary.
I guess he just can’t accept that he saved them after 400 years of thinking he’d killed them all.
Cos the master killed them all after we learn about the timeless child
Not saying I like it, it's happened and that's that unless someone retcons it or finds a way to redo it
@HAA400 True we all dilsike it.
But even then, it's technically not gone, it's just lifeless.
How to fix Gallifrey's destruction:
The Matrix calls the Doctor for help, gives him two genetic codes and he rebuilds the Time Lords, by creating two Time Lords. Then, The Matrix tells him he's not the Timeless Children, that the Master misunderstood. That there was a "The Doctor" before him, who was the Timeless Children.
OMG YOU FIXED ITTTTT
however I would suggest reconstructing from the cyber masters, maybe somehow regenerating the planet?
@@annaparrish9036 or reverting the cyber-conversion via some Time Lord magic
You're a genius. Someone send this to RTD
The Doctors did fixed and undo all Gallifrey’s destruction before and after..But what happened during the after?
@@Lemuel928 I think the Master that 13 fought was after that point. Missy came immediately after Gallifrey came back, but before they moved it to the end of the universe for protection. That must have been where he came from.
For those complaining about the Timeless Child, I get not liking the reveal that the Doctor was the origin of regeneration, because it means without them, Time Lord society would never have been founded, making them too important. But the other reveals about the Doctor like having Pre-Hartnell lives, working for Division, being involved in the Founding of Time Lord society as an engineer/scientist, Tecteun being their parent, and being a foundling adoptee all fit with the Doctor’s character and the canon of the show.
The Timeless Child was lazy writing. It ignored existing canon.
And didn't the Brain of Morbius introduced the existence of Doctors that existed before Hartnell... I've never seen the episode but apparently there were new Doctors in that one
@@princedeven5829 Yes, absolutely. But the idea of Pre-Hartnell Doctors even goes further back than that to The Power of the Daleks, the first post-regeneration story in 1966.
In the scene where the newly regenerated Second Doctor rummages through a chest of trinkets, there was a part cut from the script where he took out a ring and said to Ben and Polly that he wore it the last time he was renewed, saying that this wasn’t his first time. But even though that part was cut, Moffat pointed out in an interview that the Second Doctor acted throughout The Power of the Daleks as if he’d gone through the regeneration process before, so that idea that it wasn’t the first time must’ve been in David Whitaker’s mind as he was writing the script.
IIRC, the last episode of Doctor #2, the Time Lords forced a regeneration upon the Doctor as a punishment.
Quite the kaliediscope of Doctor's faces appeared, implying more than two at the time
@@princedeven5829 nope, those were morbius past lifes..yeah, but now i guess its the doctor.
17:40 What's this clip from another show doing here? The editor of this video really should have focused and put in just Doctor Who clips.
That is _Doctor Who._
It’s still Doctor Who…
So they are going to fix the Canon ?
What happened is the timeless child was a disaster
It was already dead after s11
@@wardjunior1450It was never dead. There was no disaster. There is nothing to fix.
Exactly that never happened right? @@DrWhoFanJ
Canon doesn’t need to be fixed because the Timeless Child didn’t ruin anything.
I understand disliking the reveal of the Doctor being the origin of regeneration, as that makes them the inherent reason for the existence of the Time Lords, because without them, no regeneration. But the other reveals are brilliant and fit perfectly with the Doctor’s character and the canon of the show. The idea of Pre-Hartnell Doctors has been there since the first post-regeneration story The Power of the Daleks in 1966, confirmed in The Brain of Morbius in 1976, and subtly hinted throughout the 7th Doctor’s era. It also adds to the titular question of the show, making their past more unknown and mysterious.
Speaking as an adoptee, the Doctor being a foundling adoptee really builds on the pre-existing characterisation of the Doctor. A core part of the Doctor’s character are abandonment issues, they hate being left behind, but also hate being alone and have a deep need to feel wanted, shown by how they adopt companions and continue to build one huge adoptive family. As well as this, they felt out of place on Gallifrey and lacked a secure sense of belonging amongst the Gallifreyans, partly because they disagreed with Time Lord society, but I think it's always been deeper than that.
Speaking as an adoptee, the Doctor’s always been an adoptee coded character. Being separated from our birth parents is a traumatic event, even if it happens as a baby, because you one day lose everything you knew, the bonds we made with our birth parents, which creates difficulties going forward like abandonment and separation issues. We can also lack a secure sense of belonging amongst our adoptive family and the people around us. To emphasise, it's not that we don't belong in our adoptive family because we aren't biological related to them, it's just a feeling that naturally occurs when we lose everything we knew and no longer have genetic mirroring around us, people who look like us. Which results in these feelings of not completely fitting in and loneliness. All of this is the Doctor.
I’ve seen some people say that the Doctor not being from Gallifrey means that they’re not a real Gallifreyan or Time Lord. I’ve heard rhetoric like this before when people find out or know that I’m adopted, asking me if I know my “real parents” aka my birth parents, which is a common term used by non adoptees in society to reference birth parents, suggesting that adoptive parents aren’t the real parents of their adopted child because they’re not biologically related, but nothing could be further from the truth because like Graham said in Resolution, being a parent and being a family isn’t about DNA, it’s about what you do. Having an adopted identity doesn't mean that it’s not legitimate, whether that's adoption or someone who’s not native to the country that they grew up in. The Doctor is equally Gallifreyan & whatever planet they're from. Plus, we know that Gallifreyans become Time Lords through training at the Academy, so hypothetically any species could become a Time Lord.
The reveal that the Doctor is a foundling is a really unforced way to make the character mysterious again, because for a foundling & everyone else who doesn’t know, it’s like their beginning in life was being found abandoned, everything that came before is completely unknown to everyone, apart from the birth mother and anyone else she told like the father, other family, or friends, it’s different for every situation. A Foundling grows up not knowing the basic fundamental facts of their personal identity, where they came from, the circumstances of their birth, their parentage, & heritage. Which naturally raises the question "Who Am I?" fitting perfectly with the titular question of the show: Doctor Who?
That's not my problem that the doctor was a woman and the original regeneration, my problem is that they threw away the story of Galifray and how the 13 doctors saved the planet in the last time war @@Jamezevans123
A book a brief history of time lords and the history of gallifrey. And we had time lord figures
Thought the saved it but trapping them in a single point in time
So the Doctor is black now 😂😂😂
Glad I walked a long time ago
0/10 rage bait to obvious you're pretending to be racist
@ 🤣🤣🤣
10 years ago I wouldn’t have been called racist but hey ho your entitled to your opinion. My comment is a criticism to the writers because they are injecting gender and race into a franchise I grew up watching. It’s not what it used to be and I don’t like it. And I know I’m not alone one this.
This is honestly the worst doctor of them all. Had to take a pause on the show till 2026 when he’s gone 🤦♀️😭 I never thought they would make doctor who act gay and become a musical… completely not his character. I do recommend the show just not the most recent doctor lol 😅
@@taylor15589 I totally agree. It's best to stop with Series 10, or Twice Upon a Time (and ignore Whitaker)
Now I only keep on with the Big Finish (as long as they do not involve the Chibnall nor RTD2 era)
The planet, unlike Alderon in another universe, is still there. And who's to say there weren't time lords off world ... the Rani among others. And the Master? So, the Doctor is never the last Time Lord.
Drax on Atrios certainly springs to mind. Barry Jackson gave a great performance. I wonder who they would cast as a regenerated Drax.
Wait they all died, again?
Having the Time Lords obliterated by the Master and the Doctor again becoming the last of the Time Lords, after all of the episodes that revolved around them coming back.....is very annoying!
Or maybe if find more truths on Gallifrey
You compare that scene of 10 with Martha and the one with 15 and ruby and it's so obvious Dr who has gone so far downhill in it's script and acting.
Never understood why he always claimed to be the last of the time lords... When there are still other time lords. And some how they keep bringing them back. 😂
I’m looking forward to the story that catches up with Rassilon. He’s been living on some busy space station pumping fuel. Or even better, selling chips at a convenience store.
Its all one title GALLIFREY falls no more
The timeless child continues to suck :/ but I have enjoyed exploring other aspects of timelord lore in Classic who
The Timeless Child doesn’t suck at all. I understand disliking the reveal of the Doctor being the origin of regeneration, as that makes them the inherent reason for the existence of the Time Lords, because without them, no regeneration. But the other reveals of the Timeless Child are brilliant and fit perfectly with the Doctor’s character and the canon of the show. The idea of Pre-Hartnell Doctors has been there since the first post-regeneration story The Power of the Daleks in 1966, confirmed in The Brain of Morbius in 1976, and subtly hinted throughout the 7th Doctor’s era. It also adds to the titular question of the show, making their past more unknown and mysterious.
Speaking as an adoptee, the Doctor being a foundling adoptee really builds on the pre-existing characterisation of the Doctor. A core part of the Doctor’s character are abandonment issues, they hate being left behind, but also hate being alone and have a deep need to feel wanted, shown by how they adopt companions and continue to build one huge adoptive family. As well as this, they felt out of place on Gallifrey and lacked a secure sense of belonging amongst the Gallifreyans, partly because they disagreed with Time Lord society, but I think it's always been deeper than that.
Speaking as an adoptee, the Doctor’s always been an adoptee coded character. Being separated from our birth parents is a traumatic event, even if it happens as a baby, because you one day lose everything you knew, the bonds we made with our birth parents, which creates difficulties going forward like abandonment and separation issues. We can also lack a secure sense of belonging amongst our adoptive family and the people around us. To emphasise, it's not that we don't belong in our adoptive family because we aren't biological related to them, it's just a feeling that naturally occurs when we lose everything we knew and no longer have genetic mirroring around us, people who look like us. Which results in these feelings of not completely fitting in and loneliness. All of this is the Doctor.
I’ve seen some people say that the Doctor not being from Gallifrey means that they’re not a real Gallifreyan or Time Lord. I’ve heard rhetoric like this before when people find out or know that I’m adopted, asking me if I know my “real parents” aka my birth parents, which is a common term used by non adoptees in society to reference birth parents, suggesting that adoptive parents aren’t the real parents of their adopted child because they’re not biologically related, but nothing could be further from the truth because like Graham said in Resolution, being a parent and being a family isn’t about DNA, it’s about what you do. Having an adopted identity doesn't mean that it’s not legitimate, whether that's adoption or someone who’s not native to the country that they grew up in. The Doctor is equally Gallifreyan & whatever planet they're from. Plus, we know that Gallifreyans become Time Lords through training at the Academy, so hypothetically any species could become a Time Lord.
The reveal that the Doctor is a foundling is a really unforced way to make the character mysterious again, because for a foundling & everyone else who doesn’t know, it’s like their beginning in life was being found abandoned, everything that came before is completely unknown to everyone, apart from the birth mother and anyone else she told like the father, other family, or friends, it’s different for every situation. A Foundling grows up not knowing the basic fundamental facts of their personal identity, where they came from, the circumstances of their birth, their parentage, & heritage. Which naturally raises the question "Who Am I?" fitting perfectly with the titular question of the show: Doctor Who?
@@Jamezevans123 First of all, let's clear up an important point about The Brain of Morbius (1976). There's been a lot of confusion regarding the faces shown in that episode, and it’s incorrect to say they were “confirmed” as incarnations of the Doctor. In reality, those images were meant to represent Morbius' past lives, and that was made quite clear in the story. However, some people(looking at you, Chibnall!)-misinterpreted them as earlier versions of the Doctor. Unfortunately, that misunderstanding was later reinforced.
But I preffer what RTD did, essentially made the Doctor's history more fluid and flexible. By doing this, RTD has left the Doctor’s timeline in a state where it can change at any moment, so he can add and exclude doctors as he wants, the doctor, the doctor can die when he was idk,5th and still be alive. what RTD confirmed is what TRULY fixed the real problems with the timeless children: nothing is real, and everything is real.
Some of what you have seen on the show, happend, some didn't. that makes everything easier to all writers(a bit confusing for those who likes canon tho, but meh, its a time travel show, I'm fine with it)
@@FelipeA81Nope. You are the one who is wrong. Those faces were always the Doctor. It’s the misconception they were Morbius that was invented after the fact by people who refused to accept the actual facts.
blah, blah, blah....just admit you HATE canon that CAN'T be rewritten to please everyone because good stories matter.....
@ Why would I "admit" something that isn’t true‽ How would such a fundamental contradiction even be possible‽
Trouble being, of course, time travel. History ceases to be a thing. As 1 testily reminds Ian in "The Web Planet". (And "Time Wars" complicate the picture even further).
Gallifrey means nothing these days with the timeless child arc
Wrong.
@@DrWhoFanJ correct
@@belchy94 I am indeed correct.
@@DrWhoFanJ in the your head
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If anyone from the BBC monitors these comments please read on. Doctor Who, and it's fandom are so divided and frustrated, more than I've witnessed across 50 years I've been watching. What we need is some good news... really good news... really really really good news. Can you oblige?
Please kid, the fandom always was divided. But only the anti-wokers are frustrated.
Doctor who reboot and forget this 14th-15th's madness. 🙏🙏
@@codeguy7309never gonna happen.
Long live the Legends of Gallifrey .
7:35 this is a mistake, this is a fan made episode. Gallifrey did not come back
Thanks for clarifying. Guess they wanted to continue a “What If” route
Wrong. It’s no more "fan-made" than every episode ever made is.
💙💙
The themes in many of these clips are so close to the corruption, betrayal, treason, loyalty to only one's own selfishness, all hit a bit too close to home for me here in the USA after our insane voters have embraced hate, racism, sexism, and all the worst parts of our society in exchange for, they think, economic prosperity. These people will soon learn their folly, but so, unfortunately, will the rest of us. Pray for us.
15th doctor don’t really hit as hard might wait until he regenerates to watch doctor who again
Pity it was all destroyed for a lame twist, during a canon-breaking retcon of the Doctor.
It really wasn’t. There was no retcon, canon-breaking or lameness.
@@DrWhoFanJ Said no-one with a brain ever.
@@Ultimo_Editz Wrong again. The OP is what brainless people say.
@@DrWhoFanJ Said no-one with a brain ever.
@@Ultimo_Editz Wrong again. The OP is what brainless people say.
When will we be getting a new Dr and hopefully this tv show can be resurrected into the great ip it originally was 😢
Like a chessy fun and adventures? That is now!!
Bro we JUST had another doctor. The paint is still fresh.
Hopefully after a 10-20 year break until a fan brings in back. But first this nurse what filth has to go. Every second it exists it disrespects doctor who more than anything ever could.
@@wardjunior1450Why? Ncuti Gatwa is charismatic and sexy, like every new series Doctor.
@@wardjunior1450I feel like this comment represents everything wrong with the attitudes amongst dr who haters. Complete lack of understanding of how… anything works. Very obviously. Anyone with a brain can tell you that a 20 year ‘break’ (if a TV show is gone for 20 years it’s very likely not coming back) is not good for a show. Obviously terrible idea motivated not by love of the show but by dissatisfaction with the world in general. If someone’s issue is not with the show but with wider societal issues, they should not be listened to when it comes to discussing what to do with the show. Apologies for the long comment but your initial post was so silly I felt like I had to write it
So...
Can anybody explain what happend between the last "Timeless Child/Division Doctor" and "the First Doctor" aka the Kid in the Barn before entering The Academy of TimeLords?
Only if you'll drink deeply of "weakness kool-aid"....
Too many adds
The timeless child was the worst writing to ever plaige a this show. The second worst was putting modern political opinions in it. It was good pure science fiction and its now become a political correctness campain.
Wrong on every single count and you know it. Cope harder.
Give up the ghost BBC. Doctor Who ended when Capaldi left
I lost interest when it went streaming only.
I 100 percent agree with you on that Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi are were Two of last Great NuWho Doctors❤❤
I agree, but I would like the Tennant-Doctor to be the last Doctor. So at the end of the 60 years-Specials, when he found his new "family", that's when the real Doctor Who ended. Unfortunately between Capaldi and Tennant 2 is still the Whitaker-era.
@@AshishChacko-v5mFunny because back them everybody hate them.
Puuuuleeeeeeaaas.
This is like the only show ever made that has no reason to end EVER.
Also the last two seasons, while not perfect, were a big improvement in my opinion.
Doctor who is a show made to change and grow.
The only thing holding it back is that the BBC has a love affair with RTD's specific version of the show and refuses to let new blood take over and try something new.
chris chibnall belongs in the hague
Wrong.
Chibnall destroyed it and pooped on its grave
Wrong on both counts. Cope harder.
Ruined it with the timeless child tie in.
I fell off after Capaldi...... even his last season was...ehhh
When the Doctor killed Death he brought countless beings back to life . One may assume Gallifrey is going to make itself known at some point . And for Rassillon's sakes let's bring back the Rani !
New doctor is such a bad actor
15s explanation of the time lords was such rotten acting .. genuinely didn't understand how deep that speech should have been .. look at 10s speech for example
15 is the worst doctor in my opinion
Doctor Who Died after Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi left
It really didn’t.
No, you got old.
Newest doctor just had no feelings when talking about Gallifrey. Seriously should've casted better actor. Richard Ayoade would've made better doctor. Better actor while being able to show some goofy side.
Said no-one with a brain ever.
@@DrWhoFanJ I'm literally confirmed to be genius by state made test. Nice try fanboy
@@Tespri Then what excuse do you have for being such an enormous liar‽ (And for making so many basic spelling and grammar errors as well‽)
@@DrWhoFanJ I'm not lying. Anyone who isn't fanboy would agree with me. I'm also writing on phone so mistakes easily happen. Not to mention that knowing foreign language's grammar isn't tied to intelligence
@@Tespri You are lying. No-one intelligent would agree with someone who keeps saying things that aren’t true.
I’m writing on a phone as well and I’m not making any mistakes.