The sky is full of a million million voices saying, "Yes, of course we'll help." You've touched so many lives, saved so many people...did you think when your time came, you'd really have to do more than just ask? You've decided that the universe is better off without you - But the universe doesn't agree. - River Song,
The Doctor is very much like Napoleon in this scene. When he returned from exile the king sent out several forces of soldiers to arrest him but every time they just joined him until Napoleon marched on Versailles leading the king's own army.
1:05 is such an awesome application of the bystander effect. No one wanted to shoot the Doctor, so each one separately figured that if they purposefully missed, someone else would probably shoot him and no one would be the wiser. But since everyone thought that, no one shot him. Then everyone realized no one there wanted to shoot the Doctor. Game over.
Sorry but that is actually the opposite of the Bystander Effect. The BE states that a person is less likely to extend help (not shoot someone) to someone in need (about to be shot) when they are in the real or imagined presence of others (a firing squad). This was more a symbol of Rassilon's crumbling rule and authority (Zapping everyone who disagress like he did The Partisan will do that). They recognised The Doctor as a figure of more legitimate authority because they've come right off the back of the Time War and didn't see how The Doctor had become a much more goofy and adventurous person since his War incarnation. Rassilon was out of touch and the Time Lord military wanted a new Lord President, which is why The Doctor wasnt shot
@@josephjackson9679 While the bystander effect is most commonly and classically applied to the situation of emergency situations where people are needed to provide help and assistance, this is still a very similar application. i.e. I'm noting strong similarities: Classic bystander effect: With the presence of multiple people, one person is less likely to act (in normal cases, help in an emergency), primarily because of the idea that there are others around and so they'll probably take care of it, except that everyone's thinking that. End result, no one does anything. The application here: With the presence of multiple troopers, each one themselves did not want to shoot the Doctor (considered the analogical equivalent of providing emergency assistance), but likely assumed that someone else would handle it in their squad. end result, no one did anything. If you want to argue that that is not the classical definition of the Bystander effect, then fine, but you cannot deny that both situations are strikingly similar. To your 2nd paragraph, yes, all of that is true. But considering the power and authority Rassilon had, the Time Lord Military, individually, was likely not about to speak out against him to their own peril, but once it is made clear that there was no one there present that would willingly kill the Doctor, then they realized that they were all on the same page, and in numbers, were stronger than Rassilon, but that all started with an alternative application of the bystander effect that led the military squad to realize that none of them wanted to obey Rassilon's command.
It occurs to me that they all expected someone else to actually shoot the Doctor, so they aimed close enough that it's believable they missed. But then they ALL "missed"
What this episode did REALLY well was show how much of a legend/hero the Doctor was amongst the common time lord soldier. He is almost revered for his actions during the Time War. Just what you want from a man who single handily ended the War, and gives a whole new understanding as to why the Daleks both hate and fear him
I don't think this was completely out of admiration I think they were partially(if not mostly) motivated by fear. The simple fact is that the Doctor wins....always. He's wiped out the Daleks God knows how many times, if pushed far enough he was capable of executing the unimaginable act of wiping out his own people for the sake of the universe, and he escaped what was suppose to be an inescapable hell. The only way to win the game is to be on the Doctor's team.
@@Ethan-dn1wc Yeah. He ultimately was able to win the war and save his people, but he was willing to wipe the board of all players. He may originally have done just that. So it is a mix of admiration, fear, gratitude, and respect. Though I don't know how much of his accomplishments and horrors the average grunt will know.
@@bthsr7113 but it's not like his accomplishments and horrors were exclusive to the Time War. The Doctor had shown a willingness to be ruthless and commit unspeakable acts even before the Time War.
What he may be alluding to is the idea that fiction is never created out of nothing. It's always based on true principles, true events that did happen, etc. The meaning being, our most basic stories that we "create" are a combination of different things we may have actually or vicariously experienced (through our own personal experiences or the writings, literature, and media of others). In this way, every story ever told may not represent actual events that happened but they do at least represent real ideas or combinations of ideas, events, characters, etc., that have happened. Robin Hood, for example, is a work of fiction, but the setting did exist, the weapons, the class, freedom fighters, corrupt kings and authority, etc. They were just woven together into a character who represented attributes of real people who inspired his character.
THIS is the doctor. I really dislike how some people stopped watching when Capaldi took over the role. He is amazing and the writing is amazing. I just love his doctor
@@hollywark2885 the sonic sunglasses didn't have an effect on the writing. so if I were you I would learn the difference between the objective and subjective.
The fourth doctor mentions he was with the Filipino army when they stormed Reykjavik in the 41st century, there are also other hints of military service in and outside Gallifrey. His dislike of Danny Pink and Clara's relationship was because of Danny's military service. He saw in Danny, himself, something he (now she) doesn't want to acknowledge. He'd rather be the 'zany' and 'goofy' 11th doctor. Not a soldier.
Joseph Simpson I would love a time war miniseries with Paul McGann his day of the doctor minisode was one of the best things about new who and I want more of Mcgann
I would have loved a movie or a mini-series set in the Time War starring John Hurt as the Doctor. Can't happen now, sadly, but it would have been awesome.
@@HeyitsTom999 I know its not the same, but there are the four audio play series with John Hurt as the War Doctor, give it a chance, use your imagination, and its awesome that they got John to do it before his untimely death
@@jjakjjak5231 This is pretty true to history. It was a genuine problem the Roman's had to deal with. It's why Roman generals who revolted often were followed by their legions.
@@rossmabon4472 Exactly. I mean, who are you gonna be loyal to? The dude who's the big boss, but spends his time in safety and luxuries without caring for you, or your general, who fights for and with you, and risks his life in battle for and like you.
When Napoleon returned to France from Elba, many men were sent to capture/stop him, including Marshall Michel Ney, who famously promised to put him in an iron cage. Upon seeing the troops, Napoleon stepped out, unguarded, telling them "If there is one amongst you who wishes to kill your Emperor, here I am!"- the troops all joined him in his march.
"Every story ever told really happened. Stories are where memories go when they're forgotten". For me, one of the most beautiful lines ever written for television.
Who can blame them? Rassilon disgraced himself and Gallifrey itself a thousand times over. He created the Master by cursing him with those damn four knocks in his head during a sacred rite of passage. He became a warlord during the Time War. He was willing to sacrifice Earth to bring the planet back from death. He ruined the masters life with insanity to create a back door to make the aforementioned plan happen. And of course he set the trap for the Doctor that cost Clara Oswald her life. The Doctor sacrificed four billion years in that confession dial to confront him and get Clara back. Before that he served with these men during the Time War, probably saving their lives in a losing battle. He more than earned their respect. So yes, Rassilon: Get off his planet.
“How many regenerations did we grant you? I’ve got all night” As a Timelord, Rassilon must know that he could just kill him while he was regenerating and end it there, so that statement suggests he still intends to kill him over and over, despite the fact he could kill him quickly if he wanted to.
Peters run had some of the most powerful moments in all of who history. Speech upon amazing speech, besting enemies without even a word. Spending billions of year to punch through a damn mountain!
the zygon inversion had around 10 minutes of peter capaldi standing at a table and speaking borderline uninterrupted and it's the single greatest scene in all of doctor who and i dare anyone to defy me on that
Just imagine what must have happened at "Skull Moon" to leave this sort of impression. Imagine the insane, apocalyptic cleverness of the War Doctor, the Doctor unleashed to use all his cleverness to destroy and frustrate a massively powerful enemy. Imagine how terrifying and inspiring that kind of angry trickster god would have been...
And I love that we are never told. I hope we never are, because leaving it unspoken like this makes it all the more terrifying. The look on Capaldi's face when the soldier tells him that is heartbreaking. It feels very much like The Doctor apologizing to the soldier for having to be a part of it and witness whatever he did to win it.
@@benjaminodonnell258 That The Doctor remains horrified by what he did during The Time War is testament enough to how far he fell from his promise during it.
+Mia Borel It was a melody that was played most commonly played in the ninth and tenth doctor's run, I can't remember the exact name of it but it's played when something mysterious related to the doctor usually happens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Another saying from the time war that I believe is left out: "1 Dalek vs 1000 Galeyfreyans, pray for the Galeyfreyans 1 Dalek vs 1 random Timelord, pray for the Timelord 1000 Daleks vs the Doctor, pray for the Daleks" :)
I like how the doctor has such a reputation during the time war simply because he's unarmed. And no one on gallafrey wants to be on the receiving end of that
ik what the point is supposed to be but now i just wanna imagine the doctor has like mike tyson like punches and they arent afraid cuz its the doctor but cuz he will just beat the shit out of you
@@mycroft16 Mf was straight up DYING of OLD AGE on trenzalore with no plan whatsoever and they had cold feet about shooting him dead to the point he was able to get more regenerations and live
"You have a truly remarkable... astonishing in fact, number of kills credited to you but *counter keeps climbing, starting to get faster, guards NOPE out of there* Wait Come back. He's unarmed... *counter keeps going* ...You... You are unarmed?!" "Always."
It's a truly terrifying notion, when you think about it, that the most destructive terrifying figure in a war that broke the collective spirit of the Time Lords and other passive species was a single man who went around unarmed yet held back or turned the tide by himself....
"Get off my planet." Easily the best moment of the whole episode. The Doctor and Rassilon have been building towards this for a long time, especially when you include the audios. Agreed with others that a Doctor v Rassilon story would've been a much better focus overall for Hell Bent than bringing back Clara. Ah well.
I would argue that it ends rather well. The two never truly go head to head (to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong). But when he does, just to save someone he cares about, he shows no mercy, gives no fucks, and steamrolls him without second thought. This is arguably an accurate summary of the Doctor's character
@@connorhill818 It's exactly why Rassilon hates him so much. The Doctor commands more respect with his silence than Rassilon does with all his power and might. The Doctor just stands silent, unafraid, completely unphased.
Don't forget the Gantlet that Rassilion is wearing outright *disintegrated* a Time Lord in its last appearance, amongst other things, clearly what he had in mind was far worse than simply killing The Doctor.
"First thing you notice about the Doctor of War is he's unarmed. For many it's also the last." Such a perfect picture of what the Doctor as a warrior would have been like. Terrifyingly, lethally clever.
And likely *why* he became the truly terrifying figure of myth to everyone who knows of The Time War - this lone Time Lord strolled through hell, fighting battles that broke minds and spirits, holding and turning the tide... and he did it while unarmed.
Exactly. I remember that the Tenth Doctor once said that he convinced others to commit suicide. We even saw an example of this when the Seventh Doctor did that very thing in Remembrance of the Daleks. I know that took place before the war, but it signified what The Doctor could do if they *didn't* follow the rules that they placed on themselves.
@@DoctorWhoKage@MLaak86 @benjaminodonnell258 Beautifully said. This is such a compelling aspect of the Doctor's character, that under that lightness and spirit of adventure, there's this incomprehensible and quite terrifying steeliness. When you suddenly see that he's not human, and he's been through more and experienced more beauty and suffering and struggle and glory and horror than we'll ever know. And still wants to go on to throw himself into the next adventure, even if it means they must fight again. Those glimpses where the Doctor is _truly terrifying_ , almost an eldritch abomination of a warrior, are so essential to making the fun and the silliness and the warmth more meaningful. I'd love more stories that really explore that "lethally clever" side.
The Doctor literally turns up out of the blue (no pun intended) and overthrows Rassilon with only a few sentences. If that wasn't the definition of badass, then it is now.
He never raised his voice. That was the worst thing. The fury of the Time Lord. And then we discovered why. Why this Doctor who had fought with gods and demons, why he’d run away from us and hidden. He was being kind. He wrapped my father in unbreakable chains, forged in the heart of a dwarf star. He tricked my mother into the event horizon of a collapsing galaxy, to be imprisoned there forever. He still visits my sister- once a year, every year. I wonder if one day he might forgive her. But there she is! Can you see her? He trapped her inside a mirror. Every mirror. If ever you look at your reflection and see something move behind you-just for a second-that’s her. That’s always her. As for me, I was suspended in time. And the Doctor put me to work standing over the fields of England, as their protector. We wanted to live forever. So the Doctor made sure that we did.
@@hainsay yeah but it didnt fit the Doctor's character. I think part of the human personality lingered around and had hate for the aliens trying to kill him. I mean he wanted a normal life, but let's be honest. Cruelty is the most human trait of all
As a different comment here put it: “Run, you clever boy; run and be a Doctor!” -One of Clara’s final echoes as the whole of Gallifrey revolts against Rassilon.
I loved this scene from Capaldi’s era, just the The Doctors silence told it all, he doesn’t need words to conquer Gallifrey. Only the words “no he didn’t….I did”
Didn't Davros say something about the Doctor carrying no gun but using other people as weapons? The Doctor just prefers to have other people do his dirty work. I mean, as poetic as it is that the Doctor can take control of a situation without carrying his own weapon (usually), he still needs to get the job done SOMEHOW.
As other people noted, Davros was right to say that the Doctor is unarmed because he turns people into weapons. And note that in Demons Run, General Runaway was extolling the virtues of the Headless Monks because "these guys can never be *persuaded*" - that's the Doctor's superpower, persuasion.
I also like that they all drop their weapons and go with the Doctor, even though Rassilon has his own weapon on him. Rassilon could have killed anyone of them at anytime and they had no defense.
That's an epic line. "There was a saying sir, in the Time War. First thing you notice about the Doctor of War is, he's unarmed. For many its also the last."
In my opinion, this is one of the most powerful scenes in all of at least the revival of Doctor Who. It distinctly showcases how an army can fall to love at the mention of the Doctor of War
@SilentGunman General only/mostly stood with him because Doctor had info, he even threw Rassilon under the bus to get it. Would he have done so if doctor didn't have said info? I really don't think so.
Corbin Scheel I remember that he has nearly shot people many times and he’s shot out a skylight in time of angels/flesh and stone but I don’t think he’s shot a person
Actually that's only 1/2 right. She was going to leave in Season 8 but he talked her into staying another year. That to me smacks of he renegotiated her contract to give her whatever she wanted to stick around a little longer. And yes that's true there's an interview with Jenna and Peter talking about her contract ending in season 8, but moffatt convincing her to stay for another year.
I have loved all the Doctors I have seen, 9-12. Tennant defined the nature of the Doctor, but for me Capaldi really completed the character. He was my favorite.
Stupid? He was once a great leader. Once. But is no more, he is self centered, I would even go that far and call him mad. Have you forget, what he tried to achieve in the End of Time (wearing the face of Timothy Dalton)? Destroying all reality and rise only few sellected to a higher plane of existence? Do you call that a great deed? It's pure madness. And it was him, who tortured the Doctor in his own Confession Dial, just to get some silly information. He was ready to kill a good man, who saved Gallifrey from the Great Time War. Do you still admire that person Rassilon became? He did great things in the past, but that person doesn't exist anymore. Rassilon became power thirsty.
Ahh, but that was the thing, The Doctor knew that the general was going to die of old age, so he helped him along which was funny because it was a nod to 10 and 11 - "Which regeneration are you on? "Eleventh..." "Hope it works out for you" and he turns into a female which jokes on "I couldn't handle all of the ego in here!"
In my head canon, Skull Moon was where the "Warrior" persona of the Doctor first revealed himself after his regeneration. I imagine it as a battle the Time Lords were losing until the War Doctor arrived and single-handedly turned the tide. He saved the lives of the soldiers there and annihilated the Daleks without ever raising a weapon. So, in my mind, when that soldier tells the 12th Doctor he was at Skull Moon it was an acknowledgement that he owed the Doctor his life. It also, in my mind, explains why that same soldier backed up in his heavily-armed ship as the Doctor walked toward him. He saw and knew what an unarmed Doctor could do.
The Production Team: "B-but that would actually require us to hire more extras, create new sets, and make new costumes instead of buying used clothing from the second-hand store! Why not just keep it in a boring and forgettable location with no people in it so that we don't have to put in any work that could actually make it visually interesting?"
I wish DW fans would do this more often- come up with ideas how this episode should have went. I don't know about all of you but it makes me feel a lot better; like I am actually watching or rather reading about an episode of DW. It's pretty sad when the fans come up with better ideas than the writers who actually get paid to do this. I completely agree with you. Sure the Doctor would have refused to leave the drylands but they are the timelords, they could have stunned him and took him if he resisted like they did to him in the old days. Then confronted him in front of everyone in the capital/near the capital.
As one of the three 'founding fathers' of Time Lord society, Rassilon's reputation held thrall over Gallifreyan culture for countless millennia, even when he lay dormant in the Dark Tower; so it made sense to resurrect him to rule as president during the Time War. However, his cruelty soon became apparent, when he considered it reasonable to slay members of the High Council who disagreed with him. This simple but highly effective scene sees the 'myth' behind the man unraveled when the Doctor refuses to play by Rassilon's rules and meet violence with violence. Brilliant.
To play Devil's Advocate, without Rassilon there would arguable be no Time Lords. Without the Time Lords we wouldn't have 10 billions years of noble stewardship of Creation, and many of the species & beings in the Universe would never have existed, or would have existed in far worse conditions under far worse rulers. Sure, the last 300 or so years were a bitch (Time War), but for the grand majority of their history the TL's were the the good guys (albeit calcified).
@@LordTelperion I said nothing about the Time Lord race being bad - I only mentioned Rassilon himself and his choices. One cannot reason from a particular case to a universal conclusion, as that would be a form of defective inductive reasoning, and I certainly didn't do that. However, since you've brought the rest of Time Lord society into the conversation, let us consider the anger of the Sixth Doctor at his trial, when he generalizes and condemns his people: "Ten million years of absolute power - that's what it takes to be really corrupt!" ruclips.net/video/Y2INBe_qZFo/видео.html As to Rassilon being a 'founding father' - I certainly continue to think so but we must now contend with Chris Chibnall changing the 'origins myth' of the Time Lords. For Chibnall it is now Tecteun who is credited with developing regeneration and, sadly, Rassilon doesn't even get a mention ruclips.net/video/GjTjZ9pCmMA/видео.html
@@DoctorRedivivus I would say that Rassilon was there along with Tecteun and Omega. That he was in on the whole regeneration thing and that Tecteun was the scientist who cracked it, with Rassilon being the powerful politician type. Not sure what role Omega would play there tho
I always assumed it was Rose's theme. I don't think there's really a single common thread between every use but it's certainly a lot more common in the first two seasons.
@@rohanrodrigues7115 Eleven and Twelve have their own distinct themes. I'm fine with the concept of each individual Doctor having their theme AND the Doctor as a whole having one continuous theme but Nine and Ten don't really have their own besides this one, y'know? My guess is that in the Davies era it was meant to be Nine's/Ten's theme, the same way they share a sonic screwdriver and Tardis interior design, but then Moffat or whoever was in charge of the scoring didn't really pick up on when it was supposed to be used and just kind of put it in random places.
@@BrookeIsAnEditor The tenth doctor has the doctor forever actually And this theme which is just called the doctor's theme is a more associated with nine And anyway the true theme is the intro cause. It's the same theme but slightly different same song different Remix same man different face😊
Yeah no .... The 12th Just red con . The rassilon and omega Saga . And then the doctor turns out to be the timeless chilled . The first so called " Time lord " who don't have limited on regeration Aw yeah but omega and rassilon saga never happened . And the tune of sacrifice from the 9th till the 11th doctor like river's song for example .
@@nrliii There's no reason why he still couldn't be. They did a similar thing during the 7th Doctor era (I think) that eluded to him having some forgotten past life. And also, in another story, the 11th Doctor travels back in time to the beginning of Time Lord society, so he's again implied to be the mysterious "Other" .
To be honest, this should've been the whole episode with the Doctor in a battle of wits with Rassilon and the Doctor being utterly ruthless in his fury (thus becoming the Hybrid if his half-humanness is canon) and Ashildr calming him down, making him leave Gallifrey in shame. The Clara in the diner could be one of her echoes from The Name of the Doctor and her last motivational words to him should be 'run you clever boy and be a Doctor'
Half human is NOT canon according to the Beeb. It does say so in the Movie of course but Paul McGann is considered a canon doctor more because of the audio series than the film while Peter Cushing is not considered canon despite being in two dr who films. I think the way the BBC decided to handle it was to simply ignore what the Master says in the film. David Tennant's doctor pointed out that a human-time lord mix wasn't possible before removing Donna's memories to save her life. But then River is not fully human, she has time lord DNA and was conceived on the Tardis. To be honest none of it really makes sense so it's probably best for the Beeb to not even try and "fix" it. Just move on with the doc as a full Gallifreyan and Me (Aishildr) as "The Hybrid".
I would have preferred Ashildr as a villain, although honestly her appearance on Hell Bent was the best: She is right about something, why does the Doctor like Earth and humans so much?
Chilly Soda That headcanon is retarded and an opinion is not valid. The same Doctor said that the Time Lords were the first race and that others resemble them as a result.
"With all due respect, 'Lord President', get off his planet." Also, this means that Rassilon is out there somewhere. Probably spiteful. And bound to return. Who's gonna play him next, though? I, personally, would love to see someone like, I think Idris Elba would make an intimidating Rassilon.
I love this episode. It clearly demonstrates that The Doctor is really not a hero, hes just a madman in a box. He's nearly always good but he's also willing to do everything for his loved ones even if its a bad thing. At that point The Doctor doesnt care if hes bad or not. Hes just a man tryna do whats best for himself and his loved ones in those situations. He can also be evil if they push him too far (Time Lord Victorious)
Gallifrey's return to the series should have been the main event, not a secondary plot that only serves Clara's departure. What a sad waste! I'm afraid we won't see the Time Lords before long... but in that case, why bring them back at all?
Alan Campbell I liked him more when he committed temporal genocide creating a divergent universe filled with monstrous, inexplicable creatures trapped in a temporal mobius strip.
I'm not a big fan of this episode by any means, but I love this scene. The music, the scenery, the costumes, the camera angles, the meaning behind it, and the acting, too. Even though I much preferred Timothy Dalton's Rassilon
@@robinlillian9471 That's subjective. Rassilon can regenerate an infinite amount of times. Just because he _looks_ old and worn out doesn't mean that he _is._ Especially for a Timelord.
A crazed, immortal Time Lord, who has been a figure of immense, perverse power since 1983, who threatened to destroy time itself, who the Tenth Doctor took up arms against in desperation... and he has survived. This will surely be an epic confrontation - oh, wait, he's gone now, never mind. Yeah, while I do like Steven Moffat, this really annoyed me.
i think its a physical mortal body he uses hence why he has no powers or they are gonna retcon that the doctor stole the eye of harmony in the timewar and destroyed his immense power
During the Classic Series he freed the 4th doctor from a time ebbdy/from the Time Vortex itself, demartilised the Master, teleported his ring back to his hand, was able to see the past, present and future, generated multiple Time Scoops bringing back like half the companions and doctors from the first 20 years of doctor Who into their own precise points in time and even in expanded lore is said to have granted the 1st doctor complete control of his Tardis before his death simply because he solved his riddle. He did all of this when he was dead millions of years simply from the shadow of his mind and because he simply liked the doctor a bit
LemX21 Not really but rtd Rassilon was played by James Bond and the writers used the opportunity of having a good actor on their cast by having him monologue half the time in a badass voice
When I first watched this episode and he asked for a lemonade straight after they shot at him, not only made me laugh but confused the hell out of me until it showed he was talking to Clara. I thought he was asking Rassilon in a sarcastic way. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This what I've been waiting for since The Day of the Doctor. They made a big deal of The Doctor going back to Gallifrey and then they had to make it all about Clara. sigh... Galifrey looked good thogh.
"I'm back on Gallifrey the long way round." "Oh wait, Clara." "Bye." "Sorry I hit the TARDIS last series, turns out I actually don't want to go home." Did Moffat just give himself a middle finger?
@Nan Wait, are you trying to tell me you didn't watch the show? It wasn't just suddenly back, the cracks, the doctor's confession dial, the entire show since matt's run has been leading up to Gallifrey being back! It's still outside the universe, the doctor was just transferred there by 'Me' because the high commission needed information on the hybrid. The assumption is the entire reason the doctor stole a Tardis and ran away is because he knows who and what the hybrid is, the cause of the fall of Gallifrey is knowledge for him that no other time lord has, and it's something the High Commission would kill him to get. @Baedroid 21 This was a bad way to get rid of Clara, you're absolutely right. Using Gallifrey as a scapegoat for the end of Clara's arc was ridiculous, and even though I loved Clara as a companion it was rather unforgivable. Here's hoping the new doctor's companion isn't as important to the story, because even though Jenna coleman is a ridiculously good actor, the companion should never be the focus of the a show called "Doctor who." But Moffat's stories have always rhymed with each other. The human who absorbed the essence of time(Rose), the human who absorbed the essence of the doctor(Donna), the human who had a child of time(Amy), and the human who, through exposure and years of friendship all throughout his life, gained the mind of the doctor(Clara).
"Excellent general, you sent for reinforcements." "No he didn't. I did." "With respect... get off his planet!" I love moments in TV or movies where it shows how a character that never loses is the most terrifying, yet inspiring thing that there can be. Also, there is a space left next to the Doctor, implying that at least some of the soldiers knew that the general would side with the Doctor.
I would have liked an episode about Gallifrey. They made this episode about Clara. We've had episodes about Clara. We've not had episodes on Gallifrey about Gallifrey.
Despite everything wrong with Hell Bent, the scenes like this one with Rassilon and the Doctor almost made it worthwhile. I am still so mad at Moffat for making this episode about Clara and "Me" when their storylines were done in Face the Raven. This episode was meant to be about Gallifrey and the Doctor after all that building up through series 8 & 9 and of course, Moffat had to find a way to make it about a companion I really don't care about. After Heaven Sent and how brilliant it was, I had very high hopes that Moffat was going to do Gallifrey justice and what does he do? Completely screw the episode up. Thank god for Big Finish.
I doubt it-I think Hell Bent is the conclusion for Gallifrey. But I do hope that if they bring Gallifrey back again for S10, they'll handle it properly but I doubt it.
+April Hogwarts If s10 happens to be the final one for Capaldi I suspect it's going to have a momentous plot. It's going to be a finishing series anyway because of Moffat's departure.
"The first thing you notice about the Doctor of war is that he is unarmed" is already a powerful statement, but the addition of the "For many, it's also the last", just sends chills everywhere.
The moment Rassilon is ejected gets very important after the Timeless Child Retcon and the fact that the Master wiped out the Time Lords. Rassilon is the strongest creature in the universe as we know. He could easily recreate Gallifrey and the Time Lord society from ashes. He could also tem up with the Sisterhood of Karn in this project. So even though the Master destroyed the Time Lords in the future they could easily come back. And I am pretty sure they will. Rassilon is no joke. His strength, his will of survival and his ego of the importance of the Time Lords will make sure that they will do come back.
Honestly I really think RTD is gonna retcon that somehow. Gallifrey has been too important a part of the Doctor's character which all coalesces in Gallifrey being brought back and this scene. I don't think RTD would be fine with throwing that out of the window. I don't know how he would do it but the show can be very wibbly wobbly timey wimey sometimes so maybe you could just rewrite it. idk the point is I don't think Gallifrey is staying gone.
@@alecbormia4523 RTD is the one who got rid of Gallifrey in the first place with the Time War. I can’t imagine he’s going to rush in and immediately bring back the planet that he destroyed nearly 20 years ago.
@@General_Nothing He did so for a compelling story. The day of the Dr gave a clear path for the series moving forward and timeless child gives an objectively garbage conclusion to this story arc. It absolutely must be retconned somehow in order for Dr who to not have such a massive stain on its overarching story.
I rewatched the 9th Doctor, recently, and, they put so much emphasis on the Time War. All three opening episodes allude to it, which I never noticed as a kid. The Timelords being gone was a huge deal for the show. Then, the Master just shows up one day, and, they're all dead. Yeah, I'm willing to bet RTD will retcon it.
Imagine like a time lord civil war with the Master stirring up trouble between the two sides and the Doctor trying to keep the peace. That would have been an awesome two parter finale. Instead we get a zombie cybermen grand plan from the Master and a Clara storyline from Gallifrey. K then.
Lord Omega My personal choice for the Master would be Charles Dance or someone like that. Someone classical who could do the whole slimy villain thing but still be intimidating. I don't mind Missy (I actually enjoyed the zombie Cybermen episodes for what they were) but... Charles Dance.
Here's a thought. The War Doctor (John Hurt) and the Professor Yana version of the Master (Derek Jacobi) were both fighting in the Time War. Imagine an episode with both of them playing those roles.
smartalec2001 I always thought the 50th would have been amazing as a stand alone episode about the time war and the destruction of Gallifrey. As it is I think it's a bit of a sloppy slap stick comedy despite some brilliant performances from the cast. (RIP John Hurt, :( lost yet another legend)
@@grandmasteryoda3594 No, the point is that from the second Doctor onwards, Rassilon was this legendary timelord who was completely infallible. Now he is just a second rate dictator.
I wonder what the Time Lords thought of the Doctor after the whole saving Clara thing. It’s a shame they were killed off. There were still so many storylines that could have been written with Gallifrey and the Doctor trying to understand what his Time Lord identity made him. Hell Bent was an awesome episode and it was satisfying to see the Doctor finally get the recognition he deserved. Even if he was broken by that point.
Hell of a performance; genuinely, the actor who plays Rassilon, Donald Sumpter, looks the absolute spit of my late grandfather, so it’s hard to make me dislike him, but this scene managed it well enough.
Yeah it should have been more about the Doctor and the timelords not all about Clara and I'm not one of the ones who has something against her either. It's just he returned to Gallifrey it was time for the timelords and the Doctor to settle it and there should have been more than five minutes to that part of the story.
What I've always loved about the Doctor since getting into the series is that it shows how intelligence, will and a deep rooted goodness beneath the dark makes someone more powerful than all the weapons in the world.
I haven't got this far in New Who yet but...considering how powerful Rassilon was in The 5 Doctors alone (turning someone into living stone while unconscious), he should've been able to murder all those guards and The Doctor with a passing thought.
Rassilon was able to kill people who disagreed with him as well as possibly being able to turn people who "betrayed" Rassilon into Weeping Angels (notice the woman behind Rassilon in End Of Time - possibly The Doctor's mother, she's holding her hands like the weeping angels) as well as nearly killed The Doctor with his gauntlet.
You're assuming that Rassilon didn't use technology to turn people into stone. Borusa only turned to stone when he put on the ring. If he hadn't have done this he would have survived. This is the mistake a lot of people make about the Time Lords, assuming they are Time Wizards when in fact they are just a stupendously advanced speices. In the classic series it is implied that they have forgotten how much of their tech works.
Star Wars the Clone Wars did almost the exact same shot a few years earlier. In that show, the clones about to execute their fellow solider only to shoot the wall behind them. The camera then pans back from the smoldering laser burns over the shoulder of the firing squad's target who is unharmed. Then all the clones switch sides from their commander to their target. It's almost exactly like this scene here!
It's incredible the build up to this moment over the years, then it finally happens and it's an art piece through and through. Then the next show runner takes over and forgets this ever happened. BUT Flux was really good do gotta give him credit for that. Just hope Davies brings us back here
Why are the space wizards who are supposedly the most powerful race in existence using generic laser guns? Guns that can't even put a hole through a wooden wall? Also why are they flying around in generic space ships when they have tardis's? Why not show us a war tardis or two? This is why I didn't like the time war in the 50th anniversary either. These space wizards should have staves that shoot out lightning taking out multiple daleks at once and those gauntlet thingies to manipulate time freezing daleks on the spot. I just don't get the feeling of super powerful race here.
"Why are the space wizards who are supposedly the most powerful race in existence using generic laser guns?" For the same reason some executions are done with pistols, even when large machine guns are available. Tradition.
I heard a quote once: “myths and legends are truths blown out of proportion by storytellers.” Interesting concept when you think about various mythologies.
Hey, remember Rassilon? The guy who is talked about frequently in the classic series. After years of build up he finally shows up in the 5 Doctor 20th Anniversary episode. Where he was depicted as a truly immortal entity of great power. Yeah, that was him done and dealt with in the first five minutes of the episode so the rest could be dedicated to trying to convince us all that Clara's a good character.
Yeah, the lore about Rassilon in the first 20 years of the classic series were totally worth it for his character in The Five Doctors. I would have loved to see him be someone like that in this episode. But I guess it is not to be....
I finally got the chance to see Capaldi’s run. Seeing this just blew me away. For how much of a threat Rassilon was before, when he’s not needed for the Time War it all just falls apart
It just hurts so much at how good this scene was, and just how good this whole episode could have been had it just continued down this route and not sidetracked out of nowhere to bring back Clara. Now god knows how long it'll take them to ever revisit Gallifrey and the Doctor's role on it again
Clara's has had a potential departure at least six times. •Asylum of the Daleks •The Snowmen •The Name of the Doctor •Last Christmas •Face the Raven •Hell Bent. And I guess with her return in Twice Upon a Time, that'd be seven. Wonderful.
Oh don't forget about her future visit when the doctor regenerates into a young man fall in love with her again, looks to her for wisdom and when she finally leave turns out she's pregnate. Honestly they have did a lot of goodbyes with Clara, I wouldn't be surprised if they brought her back.
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The man who can turn an army around at the mention of his name.
It wasn't an exaggeration apparently
The sky is full of a million million voices saying, "Yes, of course we'll help." You've touched so many lives, saved so many people...did you think when your time came, you'd really have to do more than just ask? You've decided that the universe is better off without you - But the universe doesn't agree. - River Song,
@Ash Correll He sent the Atraxi running just by saying his name too.
@Ash Correll what I find funny, the security details weopens, wouldn't even go through wood
@@Hoaxcast It doesn't do wood? "That is rubbish"
@@scoobydoo3248 they probably just set their weapons to minimum
The Doctor is very much like Napoleon in this scene. When he returned from exile the king sent out several forces of soldiers to arrest him but every time they just joined him until Napoleon marched on Versailles leading the king's own army.
Army don't belong to kings but commanders
He never got to Versaille.
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Based
I heard that when he returned to France, the first soldiers he came across recognised him, and immediately declared "Long live the Emperor!"
1:05 is such an awesome application of the bystander effect. No one wanted to shoot the Doctor, so each one separately figured that if they purposefully missed, someone else would probably shoot him and no one would be the wiser. But since everyone thought that, no one shot him. Then everyone realized no one there wanted to shoot the Doctor. Game over.
Well said.
I never considered it that way and that makes it even better. No agreement between beforehand, just mutual, unspoken respect for the Doctor
Sorry but that is actually the opposite of the Bystander Effect. The BE states that a person is less likely to extend help (not shoot someone) to someone in need (about to be shot) when they are in the real or imagined presence of others (a firing squad).
This was more a symbol of Rassilon's crumbling rule and authority (Zapping everyone who disagress like he did The Partisan will do that). They recognised The Doctor as a figure of more legitimate authority because they've come right off the back of the Time War and didn't see how The Doctor had become a much more goofy and adventurous person since his War incarnation. Rassilon was out of touch and the Time Lord military wanted a new Lord President, which is why The Doctor wasnt shot
@@josephjackson9679 While the bystander effect is most commonly and classically applied to the situation of emergency situations where people are needed to provide help and assistance, this is still a very similar application. i.e. I'm noting strong similarities:
Classic bystander effect: With the presence of multiple people, one person is less likely to act (in normal cases, help in an emergency), primarily because of the idea that there are others around and so they'll probably take care of it, except that everyone's thinking that. End result, no one does anything.
The application here: With the presence of multiple troopers, each one themselves did not want to shoot the Doctor (considered the analogical equivalent of providing emergency assistance), but likely assumed that someone else would handle it in their squad. end result, no one did anything.
If you want to argue that that is not the classical definition of the Bystander effect, then fine, but you cannot deny that both situations are strikingly similar.
To your 2nd paragraph, yes, all of that is true. But considering the power and authority Rassilon had, the Time Lord Military, individually, was likely not about to speak out against him to their own peril, but once it is made clear that there was no one there present that would willingly kill the Doctor, then they realized that they were all on the same page, and in numbers, were stronger than Rassilon, but that all started with an alternative application of the bystander effect that led the military squad to realize that none of them wanted to obey Rassilon's command.
Doiiii derp derp derp congratulations you watched it .. plank
I love how the soldiers are so well trained, even when they intentionally miss. they still aim as close as possible.
just to flex on rassilon, we could of hit him but fuck you old man!
It occurs to me that they all expected someone else to actually shoot the Doctor, so they aimed close enough that it's believable they missed. But then they ALL "missed"
Hitting a targets easy. Barely missing it? THAT is a challenge.
Well when you're fighting Daleks, you need good aim
@@Monsicorn fighting Daleks? All you gotta say is, "Hello, Doctor!" And they'll beat each other to death- "Doctor?! WHERE!!!"
What this episode did REALLY well was show how much of a legend/hero the Doctor was amongst the common time lord soldier. He is almost revered for his actions during the Time War. Just what you want from a man who single handily ended the War, and gives a whole new understanding as to why the Daleks both hate and fear him
"Who the hell does he think he is?!"
"... He's the man who won the Time War, sir."
I don't think this was completely out of admiration I think they were partially(if not mostly) motivated by fear. The simple fact is that the Doctor wins....always. He's wiped out the Daleks God knows how many times, if pushed far enough he was capable of executing the unimaginable act of wiping out his own people for the sake of the universe, and he escaped what was suppose to be an inescapable hell. The only way to win the game is to be on the Doctor's team.
@@Ethan-dn1wc GREETINGS PROFESSOR FALKEN.
@@Ethan-dn1wc Yeah. He ultimately was able to win the war and save his people, but he was willing to wipe the board of all players. He may originally have done just that.
So it is a mix of admiration, fear, gratitude, and respect. Though I don't know how much of his accomplishments and horrors the average grunt will know.
@@bthsr7113 but it's not like his accomplishments and horrors were exclusive to the Time War. The Doctor had shown a willingness to be ruthless and commit unspeakable acts even before the Time War.
The Doctor: "Every story ever told really happened.
Also The Doctor: "Robin hood is a MYTH!"
He said first one AFTER meeting Robin hood.
Hey - he learned! That's the point! (yeah i know you're making a joke, i'm making a Point)
What he may be alluding to is the idea that fiction is never created out of nothing. It's always based on true principles, true events that did happen, etc. The meaning being, our most basic stories that we "create" are a combination of different things we may have actually or vicariously experienced (through our own personal experiences or the writings, literature, and media of others). In this way, every story ever told may not represent actual events that happened but they do at least represent real ideas or combinations of ideas, events, characters, etc., that have happened.
Robin Hood, for example, is a work of fiction, but the setting did exist, the weapons, the class, freedom fighters, corrupt kings and authority, etc. They were just woven together into a character who represented attributes of real people who inspired his character.
Rule one of the doctor, he lies.
Rule one the doctor always lies
THIS is the doctor. I really dislike how some people stopped watching when Capaldi took over the role. He is amazing and the writing is amazing. I just love his doctor
Capaldi was good but the writing really wasn't. The sonic sunglasses made me cringe.
@@hollywark2885 the sonic sunglasses didn't have an effect on the writing.
so if I were you I would learn the difference between the objective and subjective.
@@w925gaming6 Sounds you need to learn the difference since you’re unable to accept criticism over a television program 🤣🤣🤣
@@hollywark2885 hes right though, sunglasses aren't part of the story, theyre a funny quirky prop that is honestly really cheesy yes
@@SunsetBear The writing was still tosh 😂😂😂
I like the connection has with these soldiers, even though we've never seen them before. It really adds to his Time War character.
Joseph Simpson i just wish it had been portryed a bit more... all we saw was just 1 soldier talk to him...
The fourth doctor mentions he was with the Filipino army when they stormed Reykjavik in the 41st century, there are also other hints of military service in and outside Gallifrey. His dislike of Danny Pink and Clara's relationship was because of Danny's military service. He saw in Danny, himself, something he (now she) doesn't want to acknowledge. He'd rather be the 'zany' and 'goofy' 11th doctor. Not a soldier.
Joseph Simpson I would love a time war miniseries with Paul McGann his day of the doctor minisode was one of the best things about new who and I want more of Mcgann
I would have loved a movie or a mini-series set in the Time War starring John Hurt as the Doctor. Can't happen now, sadly, but it would have been awesome.
@@HeyitsTom999 I know its not the same, but there are the four audio play series with John Hurt as the War Doctor, give it a chance, use your imagination, and its awesome that they got John to do it before his untimely death
"I was at Skull Moon, Sir."
What you don't hear is "I still serve you"
Personal loyalty rather than institutional loyalty.
@@jjakjjak5231 This is pretty true to history. It was a genuine problem the Roman's had to deal with. It's why Roman generals who revolted often were followed by their legions.
@@rossmabon4472 Exactly. I mean, who are you gonna be loyal to? The dude who's the big boss, but spends his time in safety and luxuries without caring for you, or your general, who fights for and with you, and risks his life in battle for and like you.
When Napoleon returned to France from Elba, many men were sent to capture/stop him, including Marshall Michel Ney, who famously promised to put him in an iron cage. Upon seeing the troops, Napoleon stepped out, unguarded, telling them "If there is one amongst you who wishes to kill your Emperor, here I am!"- the troops all joined him in his march.
@@isaacmammel9186 actually happened more than once too haha as he marched towards Paris I’m pretty sure more joined him
"Every story ever told really happened. Stories are where memories go when they're forgotten". For me, one of the most beautiful lines ever written for television.
Learned that with Robin hood
Who can blame them? Rassilon disgraced himself and Gallifrey itself a thousand times over. He created the Master by cursing him with those damn four knocks in his head during a sacred rite of passage. He became a warlord during the Time War. He was willing to sacrifice Earth to bring the planet back from death. He ruined the masters life with insanity to create a back door to make the aforementioned plan happen. And of course he set the trap for the Doctor that cost Clara Oswald her life. The Doctor sacrificed four billion years in that confession dial to confront him and get Clara back. Before that he served with these men during the Time War, probably saving their lives in a losing battle. He more than earned their respect. So yes, Rassilon: Get off his planet.
And that's only on New Who...
Heaven sent in the confession arc was the best
GREAT MUTTONCHOPS OF RASSILON
How is he responsible for the Clara death??
@@Mscape7 the plot that brought the doctor and clara to trap street was the timelords forcing Me to do so on threat of destroying trap street
“How many regenerations did we grant you? I’ve got all night”
As a Timelord, Rassilon must know that he could just kill him while he was regenerating and end it there, so that statement suggests he still intends to kill him over and over, despite the fact he could kill him quickly if he wanted to.
For torture, of course
Who says he could just kill him while he was regenerating and end it there?
wessltov the Doctor
@@adamc117 First rule of the Doctor : He lies.
I thought he was implying he could just take away regenerations
"Explain!"
"Sir I am a stormtrooper!"
''Not true. Unlike stormtroopers, we can actually hit the target when we want to.''
@@jeckjeck3119 And, unlike the Stormtroopers, you were never ordered to let a group go on the Death Star in order to track down a rebellion.
Unlike stormtroopers they hit the side of the barn
Unlike stormtroopers they can hit an object
@@LLT8 nevermind this one takes the cake
Peters run had some of the most powerful moments in all of who history. Speech upon amazing speech, besting enemies without even a word. Spending billions of year to punch through a damn mountain!
the zygon inversion had around 10 minutes of peter capaldi standing at a table and speaking borderline uninterrupted and it's the single greatest scene in all of doctor who and i dare anyone to defy me on that
@@timefortimbo 5 months and no one's taken the challenge!
I'm not going to either
@@timefortimbo I'd say the azbantium wall speech edged out by a tiny bit, but the war speech is an extremely close second.
Sword fight with a spoon was ridiculous though !
@@timefortimboWhy would anyone defy the truth? That scene was the greatest.
Just imagine what must have happened at "Skull Moon" to leave this sort of impression. Imagine the insane, apocalyptic cleverness of the War Doctor, the Doctor unleashed to use all his cleverness to destroy and frustrate a massively powerful enemy. Imagine how terrifying and inspiring that kind of angry trickster god would have been...
And I love that we are never told. I hope we never are, because leaving it unspoken like this makes it all the more terrifying. The look on Capaldi's face when the soldier tells him that is heartbreaking. It feels very much like The Doctor apologizing to the soldier for having to be a part of it and witness whatever he did to win it.
In "Twice Upon a Time" they also say one of the Doctor's monikers is "The Butcher of Skull Moon".
@@burningrabbit7278 Ah, a Witcher
@@mycroft16 Exactly. As if to say, "Oh God, don't admire me for *that*, please, anything but *that*..."
@@benjaminodonnell258 That The Doctor remains horrified by what he did during The Time War is testament enough to how far he fell from his promise during it.
1:54 I always love hearing a variation of this theme !
The zombie slayer same
+Mia Borel It was a melody that was played most commonly played in the ninth and tenth doctor's run, I can't remember the exact name of it but it's played when something mysterious related to the doctor usually happens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's called the doctors theme
it's bad wolf right?
yeah :)
"First thing you notice about the Doctor of War, is that he is unarmed. For many, it is also the last."
Another saying from the time war that I believe is left out:
"1 Dalek vs 1000 Galeyfreyans, pray for the Galeyfreyans
1 Dalek vs 1 random Timelord, pray for the Timelord
1000 Daleks vs the Doctor, pray for the Daleks"
:)
@@ruthgar9753 Make it 1 billion Daleks
@@ruthgar9753 they sent the largest dalek fleet ever assembled just because they saw the doctor
@Mr7Reality The pen is mightier than the sword, but a blaster makes a surprisingly good pen.
@@gonzotown9438 NO MORE.
I like how the doctor has such a reputation during the time war simply because he's unarmed. And no one on gallafrey wants to be on the receiving end of that
No one on the Dalek side does either to be honest. They're just as terrified of him.
ik what the point is supposed to be but now i just wanna imagine the doctor has like mike tyson like punches and they arent afraid cuz its the doctor but cuz he will just beat the shit out of you
@@mycroft16 Mf was straight up DYING of OLD AGE on trenzalore with no plan whatsoever and they had cold feet about shooting him dead to the point he was able to get more regenerations and live
"You have a truly remarkable... astonishing in fact, number of kills credited to you but *counter keeps climbing, starting to get faster, guards NOPE out of there* Wait Come back. He's unarmed... *counter keeps going* ...You... You are unarmed?!" "Always."
It's a truly terrifying notion, when you think about it, that the most destructive terrifying figure in a war that broke the collective spirit of the Time Lords and other passive species was a single man who went around unarmed yet held back or turned the tide by himself....
"Every story ever, happened."
*looks at fanfictions, and cries*
William Hartnell *Internet comfort* I bet they're actual episodes in a parralel world.
MuddledGaming That makes it worse. My Immortal being canon. PURGE WITH FIRE!!!
Hey, hey, he didn't say "canon," just that they happened. It has it's own timeline.
The Potterverse calls it their Darkest Timeline.
*hugs in Archive of Our Own*
William Hartnell I mean, all Undertale fanfiction is essentially canon
"Get off my planet." Easily the best moment of the whole episode. The Doctor and Rassilon have been building towards this for a long time, especially when you include the audios. Agreed with others that a Doctor v Rassilon story would've been a much better focus overall for Hell Bent than bringing back Clara. Ah well.
I would argue that it ends rather well. The two never truly go head to head (to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong). But when he does, just to save someone he cares about, he shows no mercy, gives no fucks, and steamrolls him without second thought. This is arguably an accurate summary of the Doctor's character
I feel as if Clara meant more to the Doctor than dealing with Rassilon did. Clara was his family. And she died too early im his eyes.
@@connorhill818 It's exactly why Rassilon hates him so much. The Doctor commands more respect with his silence than Rassilon does with all his power and might. The Doctor just stands silent, unafraid, completely unphased.
Rasillon "How many regenerations did we grant you?"
The Doctor:"How many seconds in eternity?"
Don't forget the Gantlet that Rassilion is wearing outright *disintegrated* a Time Lord in its last appearance, amongst other things, clearly what he had in mind was far worse than simply killing The Doctor.
"First thing you notice about the Doctor of War is he's unarmed. For many it's also the last."
Such a perfect picture of what the Doctor as a warrior would have been like. Terrifyingly, lethally clever.
And likely *why* he became the truly terrifying figure of myth to everyone who knows of The Time War - this lone Time Lord strolled through hell, fighting battles that broke minds and spirits, holding and turning the tide... and he did it while unarmed.
Exactly. I remember that the Tenth Doctor once said that he convinced others to commit suicide. We even saw an example of this when the Seventh Doctor did that very thing in Remembrance of the Daleks. I know that took place before the war, but it signified what The Doctor could do if they *didn't* follow the rules that they placed on themselves.
@@DoctorWhoKage@MLaak86 @benjaminodonnell258 Beautifully said. This is such a compelling aspect of the Doctor's character, that under that lightness and spirit of adventure, there's this incomprehensible and quite terrifying steeliness. When you suddenly see that he's not human, and he's been through more and experienced more beauty and suffering and struggle and glory and horror than we'll ever know. And still wants to go on to throw himself into the next adventure, even if it means they must fight again.
Those glimpses where the Doctor is _truly terrifying_ , almost an eldritch abomination of a warrior, are so essential to making the fun and the silliness and the warmth more meaningful. I'd love more stories that really explore that "lethally clever" side.
The Doctor literally turns up out of the blue (no pun intended) and overthrows Rassilon with only a few sentences. If that wasn't the definition of badass, then it is now.
Didn't you think Rassilon looked tired?
the term "out of the blue" almost certainly has something to do with the doctor
He never raised his voice. That was the worst thing. The fury of the Time Lord. And then we discovered why. Why this Doctor who had fought with gods and demons, why he’d run away from us and hidden. He was being kind. He wrapped my father in unbreakable chains, forged in the heart of a dwarf star. He tricked my mother into the event horizon of a collapsing galaxy, to be imprisoned there forever. He still visits my sister- once a year, every year. I wonder if one day he might forgive her. But there she is! Can you see her? He trapped her inside a mirror. Every mirror. If ever you look at your reflection and see something move behind you-just for a second-that’s her. That’s always her. As for me, I was suspended in time. And the Doctor put me to work standing over the fields of England, as their protector. We wanted to live forever. So the Doctor made sure that we did.
I actually didn't like that episode too much, because of the "being human" parts of it being awkward. But my god, that speech was amazing.
And now this entire speech is undone and meaningless because 13 undid it all.
@@hainsay yeah but it didnt fit the Doctor's character. I think part of the human personality lingered around and had hate for the aliens trying to kill him. I mean he wanted a normal life, but let's be honest. Cruelty is the most human trait of all
As a different comment here put it: “Run, you clever boy; run and be a Doctor!” -One of Clara’s final echoes as the whole of Gallifrey revolts against Rassilon.
ah yes the family of blood speech
I loved this scene from Capaldi’s era, just the The Doctors silence told it all, he doesn’t need words to conquer Gallifrey. Only the words “no he didn’t….I did”
* Drops all their weapons *
"The doctor is always unarmed!"
* Brings a dozen gunships with chainguns *
Me: Oh ok.
Hauptmann Downy.
Yeah HE is underamed. He has no problem bringing an army that is though
Didn't Davros say something about the Doctor carrying no gun but using other people as weapons? The Doctor just prefers to have other people do his dirty work. I mean, as poetic as it is that the Doctor can take control of a situation without carrying his own weapon (usually), he still needs to get the job done SOMEHOW.
Davros was absolutely correct.
As other people noted, Davros was right to say that the Doctor is unarmed because he turns people into weapons. And note that in Demons Run, General Runaway was extolling the virtues of the Headless Monks because "these guys can never be *persuaded*" - that's the Doctor's superpower, persuasion.
I also like that they all drop their weapons and go with the Doctor, even though Rassilon has his own weapon on him. Rassilon could have killed anyone of them at anytime and they had no defense.
That's an epic line. "There was a saying sir, in the Time War. First thing you notice about the Doctor of War is, he's unarmed. For many its also the last."
"Stories are where memories go when they're forgotten", my favourite line!!
That was a good bit of writing right there.
In my opinion, this is one of the most powerful scenes in all of at least the revival of Doctor Who. It distinctly showcases how an army can fall to love at the mention of the Doctor of War
That’s a great point that I haven’t realized, that makes this scene even better
@@AnglicanFish However instead of the army falling because they are terrified of him, they fall because they wish to unite with him.
"the first thing you notice about the doctor of war is he's unarmed"
**YEETS A BULLET INTO THE GENERAL TO SAVE CLARA***
4.5 billion years of torture does that to a guy.
@SilentGunman
General only/mostly stood with him because Doctor had info, he even threw Rassilon under the bus to get it. Would he have done so if doctor didn't have said info? I really don't think so.
Notice how it’s the first time (that I can remember) where the Doctor has shot someone? And it was just for claraaa (Or did he shoot the master too?)
Corbin Scheel I remember that he has nearly shot people many times and he’s shot out a skylight in time of angels/flesh and stone but I don’t think he’s shot a person
Teamthomas27 08 right, I forgot about that
I like how they set their laser rifles to "lightly singed wood"
this is galifray you really think that's wood. the old lady probably prefers the quaint wood looking theme on her i-house.
It's Gallifrey, it doesn't do wood
@@entiao5570 the best comment I've seen
It's... Space wood
this is the Type IV or V civilization equivalent to being brought down to sticks and stones
i still cant get over that clara had two fake goodbyes and so many fake deaths.
Moffatt was infatuated with Jennna and gave her whatever she wanted the stay in the show for as long as h could get her. That's my theory.
Nah she was just hired to appear in every show of the season, so they had to use her according to the contract.
Rory still has the most on screen deaths
Actually that's only 1/2 right. She was going to leave in Season 8 but he talked her into staying another year. That to me smacks of he renegotiated her contract to give her whatever she wanted to stick around a little longer. And yes that's true there's an interview with Jenna and Peter talking about her contract ending in season 8, but moffatt convincing her to stay for another year.
Wasted Gallifry return to cry about her again
I have loved all the Doctors I have seen, 9-12. Tennant defined the nature of the Doctor, but for me Capaldi really completed the character. He was my favorite.
"GET OFF HIS PLANET!"
BOOM!!!!!!!! RASSILON THE DESTROYED MORE LIKE!
Liam Catterson YESS
haha xD Now thats a fitting tittle xD Rassilon The Destroyed xD LOL.
Rassilon went from a crazy fool to a self centered mad man.
Rassilon the Roasted
Rassilon lead Gallifrey for hundreds of years, 'died,' resurrected and lead it for many more. This deposition is kinda stupid IMO.
Stupid? He was once a great leader. Once. But is no more, he is self centered, I would even go that far and call him mad. Have you forget, what he tried to achieve in the End of Time (wearing the face of Timothy Dalton)? Destroying all reality and rise only few sellected to a higher plane of existence? Do you call that a great deed? It's pure madness. And it was him, who tortured the Doctor in his own Confession Dial, just to get some silly information. He was ready to kill a good man, who saved Gallifrey from the Great Time War. Do you still admire that person Rassilon became? He did great things in the past, but that person doesn't exist anymore. Rassilon became power thirsty.
"Ready, aim... FIRE! How could you miss?!?"
"He moved."
"Shut up! Go and practise!"
„How many regenerations did we grant you?” is a really cool line
czerwony kwadrat doesn’t make much sense now😂😂
James2802 well, I hope they retcon this garbage
@@czerwonykwadrat6843 Spoiler alert: they didn't.
The first thing you notice about the doctor of war... is he's unarmed.... for many it's also the last...
Lady Wanderer so true
Ahh, but that was the thing, The Doctor knew that the general was going to die of old age, so he helped him along which was funny because it was a nod to 10 and 11 - "Which regeneration are you on? "Eleventh..." "Hope it works out for you" and he turns into a female which jokes on "I couldn't handle all of the ego in here!"
And the watch keeps ticking...
I really wish they'd bring the soundtrack out for this series the music was fantastic
Agreed. At least they should give a statement as to why they aren't releasing the soundtrack.
They released it already
In my head canon, Skull Moon was where the "Warrior" persona of the Doctor first revealed himself after his regeneration. I imagine it as a battle the Time Lords were losing until the War Doctor arrived and single-handedly turned the tide. He saved the lives of the soldiers there and annihilated the Daleks without ever raising a weapon. So, in my mind, when that soldier tells the 12th Doctor he was at Skull Moon it was an acknowledgement that he owed the Doctor his life. It also, in my mind, explains why that same soldier backed up in his heavily-armed ship as the Doctor walked toward him. He saw and knew what an unarmed Doctor could do.
I love how the doctor with no weapons on his own hands in his pockets is more intimidating than a firing squad
This should have been in the capital city in front of everyone, with the whole city turning against Rassilon. Not an old man shouting in a desert.
The Production Team: "B-but that would actually require us to hire more extras, create new sets, and make new costumes instead of buying used clothing from the second-hand store! Why not just keep it in a boring and forgettable location with no people in it so that we don't have to put in any work that could actually make it visually interesting?"
I wish DW fans would do this more often- come up with ideas how this episode should have went. I don't know about all of you but it makes me feel a lot better; like I am actually watching or rather reading about an episode of DW. It's pretty sad when the fans come up with better ideas than the writers who actually get paid to do this. I completely agree with you. Sure the Doctor would have refused to leave the drylands but they are the timelords, they could have stunned him and took him if he resisted like they did to him in the old days. Then confronted him in front of everyone in the capital/near the capital.
By contrast I wish they didn't. :( It makes us mourn the lost opportunities.
He'd never execute the Doctor in public though.
An old man shouting in a desert is the soul's end of every tyrant..
It took me awhile to get use to Peter Capaldi as The Dr. as the show went on I loved his version. I was so sad when he left the show.
As one of the three 'founding fathers' of Time Lord society, Rassilon's reputation held thrall over Gallifreyan culture for countless millennia, even when he lay dormant in the Dark Tower; so it made sense to resurrect him to rule as president during the Time War. However, his cruelty soon became apparent, when he considered it reasonable to slay members of the High Council who disagreed with him.
This simple but highly effective scene sees the 'myth' behind the man unraveled when the Doctor refuses to play by Rassilon's rules and meet violence with violence.
Brilliant.
Doctor Redivivus.
Doctor Redivivus
He was like this before, too. Just look at what he did to Omega.
To play Devil's Advocate, without Rassilon there would arguable be no Time Lords. Without the Time Lords we wouldn't have 10 billions years of noble stewardship of Creation, and many of the species & beings in the Universe would never have existed, or would have existed in far worse conditions under far worse rulers. Sure, the last 300 or so years were a bitch (Time War), but for the grand majority of their history the TL's were the the good guys (albeit calcified).
@@LordTelperion I said nothing about the Time Lord race being bad - I only mentioned Rassilon himself and his choices. One cannot reason from a particular case to a universal conclusion, as that would be a form of defective inductive reasoning, and I certainly didn't do that. However, since you've brought the rest of Time Lord society into the conversation, let us consider the anger of the Sixth Doctor at his trial, when he generalizes and condemns his people: "Ten million years of absolute power - that's what it takes to be really corrupt!" ruclips.net/video/Y2INBe_qZFo/видео.html As to Rassilon being a 'founding father' - I certainly continue to think so but we must now contend with Chris Chibnall changing the 'origins myth' of the Time Lords. For Chibnall it is now Tecteun who is credited with developing regeneration and, sadly, Rassilon doesn't even get a mention ruclips.net/video/GjTjZ9pCmMA/видео.html
@@DoctorRedivivus I would say that Rassilon was there along with Tecteun and Omega. That he was in on the whole regeneration thing and that Tecteun was the scientist who cracked it, with Rassilon being the powerful politician type. Not sure what role Omega would play there tho
1:54 I got chills from David Tennants theme. It reminded me of "The End Of Time"
I always assumed it was Rose's theme. I don't think there's really a single common thread between every use but it's certainly a lot more common in the first two seasons.
@@BrookeIsAnEditor it's the doctors theme, used since Eccleston. Rose has a different one
@@rohanrodrigues7115 Eleven and Twelve have their own distinct themes. I'm fine with the concept of each individual Doctor having their theme AND the Doctor as a whole having one continuous theme but Nine and Ten don't really have their own besides this one, y'know?
My guess is that in the Davies era it was meant to be Nine's/Ten's theme, the same way they share a sonic screwdriver and Tardis interior design, but then Moffat or whoever was in charge of the scoring didn't really pick up on when it was supposed to be used and just kind of put it in random places.
I think it's the time war theme.
Like if you listen closely half way through here ruclips.net/video/cXdRts6kJC0/видео.html you can hear it.
@@BrookeIsAnEditor The tenth doctor has the doctor forever actually And this theme which is just called the doctor's theme is a more associated with nine
And anyway the true theme is the intro cause. It's the same theme but slightly different same song different Remix same man different face😊
Rassilon: how many regenerations did we grant you?
Doctor: how many regenerations did I grant you!?
Yeah no ....
The 12th Just red con .
The rassilon and omega Saga .
And then the doctor turns out to be the timeless chilled .
The first so called " Time lord " who don't have limited on regeration
Aw yeah but omega and rassilon saga never happened .
And the tune of sacrifice from the 9th till the 11th doctor like river's song for example .
@@LORDSofCHAOS333
Who said Omega Rassilon saga never happened? The Doctor is the other.
@@jeckjeck3119 he was supposed to be by the original story but timeless child ruined that
@@nrliii
How? If anything, it contributed to it:/ It seems to me someone doesn't know what they are talking about, and it ain't I.
@@nrliii There's no reason why he still couldn't be. They did a similar thing during the 7th Doctor era (I think) that eluded to him having some forgotten past life. And also, in another story, the 11th Doctor travels back in time to the beginning of Time Lord society, so he's again implied to be the mysterious "Other" .
To be honest, this should've been the whole episode with the Doctor in a battle of wits with Rassilon and the Doctor being utterly ruthless in his fury (thus becoming the Hybrid if his half-humanness is canon) and Ashildr calming him down, making him leave Gallifrey in shame. The Clara in the diner could be one of her echoes from The Name of the Doctor and her last motivational words to him should be 'run you clever boy and be a Doctor'
No, him being half human is not canon.
One of the Eighth Doctor comics explains that he lied and the Master believed him.
Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey
Half human is NOT canon according to the Beeb. It does say so in the Movie of course but Paul McGann is considered a canon doctor more because of the audio series than the film while Peter Cushing is not considered canon despite being in two dr who films. I think the way the BBC decided to handle it was to simply ignore what the Master says in the film. David Tennant's doctor pointed out that a human-time lord mix wasn't possible before removing Donna's memories to save her life. But then River is not fully human, she has time lord DNA and was conceived on the Tardis. To be honest none of it really makes sense so it's probably best for the Beeb to not even try and "fix" it. Just move on with the doc as a full Gallifreyan and Me (Aishildr) as "The Hybrid".
I would have preferred Ashildr as a villain, although honestly her appearance on Hell Bent was the best: She is right about something, why does the Doctor
like Earth and humans so much?
Chilly Soda
That headcanon is retarded and an opinion is not valid. The same Doctor said that the Time Lords were the first race and that others resemble them as a result.
"With all due respect, 'Lord President', get off his planet."
Also, this means that Rassilon is out there somewhere. Probably spiteful. And bound to return. Who's gonna play him next, though? I, personally, would love to see someone like, I think Idris Elba would make an intimidating Rassilon.
considering he did play Charles Miner from the Office US, id agree
Idris would make a better Doctor...
I love this episode. It clearly demonstrates that The Doctor is really not a hero, hes just a madman in a box. He's nearly always good but he's also willing to do everything for his loved ones even if its a bad thing. At that point The Doctor doesnt care if hes bad or not. Hes just a man tryna do whats best for himself and his loved ones in those situations. He can also be evil if they push him too far (Time Lord Victorious)
Gallifrey's return to the series should have been the main event, not a secondary plot that only serves Clara's departure. What a sad waste! I'm afraid we won't see the Time Lords before long... but in that case, why bring them back at all?
Alban Leloup To have a reusable sub-plot whenever they need it.
Now that the Doctor -himself- uh, -herself- themselves(?) is a woman, maybe they'll stop Mary Sueing all the companions.
icemachine79 hope they don't Mary Sue the doctor instead of the companions
Liam Cahill I do not think you can Mary Sue the Doctor
*WOW*doge meme you can
So many good scenes. I loved Series 9. Actually I love Capaldi's entire run. It got better with each series.
The way he said "Lord President, with *respect* get off his planet" was just amazing
“The last piece of respect I have for your position is in this sentence if you don’t take the out? I WILL
I liked Rassilon better when he was Timothy Dalton
I liked him when he was in his tomb.
I liked him more b4 he almost got Omega killed in that black hole
Alan Campbell I liked him more when he committed temporal genocide creating a divergent universe filled with monstrous, inexplicable creatures trapped in a temporal mobius strip.
I liked him when he had great powers like timelords of old
I liked him when he was just a venerated memory in Time Lord History.
1:52 I love how you can hear the tenth doctor's theme, the eleventh doctor's opening theme and the sting of shepherd's boy in just a few seconds
And 9s
I'm not a big fan of this episode by any means, but I love this scene. The music, the scenery, the costumes, the camera angles, the meaning behind it, and the acting, too. Even though I much preferred Timothy Dalton's Rassilon
Defeating someone so old and worn out wasn't all that much of a victory compared to defeating someone in their prime.
@@robinlillian9471 That's subjective. Rassilon can regenerate an infinite amount of times.
Just because he _looks_ old and worn out doesn't mean that he _is._ Especially for a Timelord.
@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim plus given how terrible a person Rassilon is, defeating him is a massive achievement
A crazed, immortal Time Lord, who has been a figure of immense, perverse power since 1983, who threatened to destroy time itself, who the Tenth Doctor took up arms against in desperation... and he has survived. This will surely be an epic confrontation - oh, wait, he's gone now, never mind.
Yeah, while I do like Steven Moffat, this really annoyed me.
Cybermat47 he'll back I know it
i think its a physical mortal body he uses hence why he has no powers or they are gonna retcon that the doctor stole the eye of harmony in the timewar and destroyed his immense power
During the Classic Series he freed the 4th doctor from a time ebbdy/from the Time Vortex itself, demartilised the Master, teleported his ring back to his hand, was able to see the past, present and future, generated multiple Time Scoops bringing back like half the companions and doctors from the first 20 years of doctor Who into their own precise points in time and even in expanded lore is said to have granted the 1st doctor complete control of his Tardis before his death simply because he solved his riddle. He did all of this when he was dead millions of years simply from the shadow of his mind and because he simply liked the doctor a bit
Was the rtd conflict any better? Rassilon does as little there as here
LemX21 Not really but rtd Rassilon was played by James Bond and the writers used the opportunity of having a good actor on their cast by having him monologue half the time in a badass voice
0:28 That shot. Just Peter's posture and body language, he's so good.
When I first watched this episode and he asked for a lemonade straight after they shot at him, not only made me laugh but confused the hell out of me until it showed he was talking to Clara. I thought he was asking Rassilon in a sarcastic way. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s quite the doctor thing to do
From Winterfell to Gallifrey
Aakash Vadher Yeah, power really went to Maester Luwin's head... 😂
Jake C true
Sonnuvabitch. I didn't realise why he was familiar until seeing this comment. And this episodes been out for over a year... *Facepalm*
I just noticed 3 years of watching this
3 years of re watching both doctor who and Game of Thrones...
and didn’t notice
This what I've been waiting for since The Day of the Doctor. They made a big deal of The Doctor going back to Gallifrey and then they had to make it all about Clara. sigh... Galifrey looked good thogh.
And no mention on how Gallifrey was back.. it just suddenly was.
apparently they manged to hide themselves at the end of the universe or something. how they got out of the time lock i am not sure
"I'm back on Gallifrey the long way round."
"Oh wait, Clara."
"Bye."
"Sorry I hit the TARDIS last series, turns out I actually don't want to go home."
Did Moffat just give himself a middle finger?
+Peter Hates his Kidneys Capaldi
XD Ur profile name!
@Nan
Wait, are you trying to tell me you didn't watch the show? It wasn't just suddenly back, the cracks, the doctor's confession dial, the entire show since matt's run has been leading up to Gallifrey being back! It's still outside the universe, the doctor was just transferred there by 'Me' because the high commission needed information on the hybrid.
The assumption is the entire reason the doctor stole a Tardis and ran away is because he knows who and what the hybrid is, the cause of the fall of Gallifrey is knowledge for him that no other time lord has, and it's something the High Commission would kill him to get.
@Baedroid 21
This was a bad way to get rid of Clara, you're absolutely right.
Using Gallifrey as a scapegoat for the end of Clara's arc was ridiculous, and even though I loved Clara as a companion it was rather unforgivable.
Here's hoping the new doctor's companion isn't as important to the story, because even though Jenna coleman is a ridiculously good actor, the companion should never be the focus of the a show called "Doctor who."
But Moffat's stories have always rhymed with each other.
The human who absorbed the essence of time(Rose), the human who absorbed the essence of the doctor(Donna), the human who had a child of time(Amy), and the human who, through exposure and years of friendship all throughout his life, gained the mind of the doctor(Clara).
"Excellent general, you sent for reinforcements."
"No he didn't. I did."
"With respect... get off his planet!"
I love moments in TV or movies where it shows how a character that never loses is the most terrifying, yet inspiring thing that there can be.
Also, there is a space left next to the Doctor, implying that at least some of the soldiers knew that the general would side with the Doctor.
I liked the general, it really irked me when the doctor shot him just because he was in the way.
11 - "We are all stories in the end"
12 - "Stories are where memories go when they are forgotten"
Anyone else notice this?
What a great episode this could have been.
It was.
No it really wasn't
No it really was.
I would have liked an episode about Gallifrey. They made this episode about Clara. We've had episodes about Clara. We've not had episodes on Gallifrey about Gallifrey.
TheodoreMauros No matter what I like every episode of Doctor Who
I love that soldier, “I was at skall moon, sir” (sorry for spelling) there is something so comforting about it
Despite everything wrong with Hell Bent, the scenes like this one with Rassilon and the Doctor almost made it worthwhile. I am still so mad at Moffat for making this episode about Clara and "Me" when their storylines were done in Face the Raven. This episode was meant to be about Gallifrey and the Doctor after all that building up through series 8 & 9 and of course, Moffat had to find a way to make it about a companion I really don't care about.
After Heaven Sent and how brilliant it was, I had very high hopes that Moffat was going to do Gallifrey justice and what does he do?
Completely screw the episode up.
Thank god for Big Finish.
Agreed !
maybe it's still all run up to series 10
I didn't mind Clara, but I was really annoyed that she was brought back to life in this episode. Totally ruined the end of Face the Raven.
I doubt it-I think Hell Bent is the conclusion for Gallifrey. But I do hope that if they bring Gallifrey back again for S10, they'll handle it properly but I doubt it.
+April Hogwarts If s10 happens to be the final one for Capaldi I suspect it's going to have a momentous plot. It's going to be a finishing series anyway because of Moffat's departure.
"Get out of my planet. There isnt room enough for you and Clara's ego"
TheJaviferrol BRUTAL!
Ayyyyyy! This deserves top comment.
wowww!
That moment your enemy calls in your reinforcements to help them
Right after 3:49: "NO General, I WON'T get off his planet, so THERE!" (Beat) "NYAH!"
3:21 The fearsome legendary Timelord known as Rassilon has been reduced to a whining child after a forced removal by the Gallifreyan high council.
"The first thing you notice about the Doctor of war is that he is unarmed" is already a powerful statement, but the addition of the "For many, it's also the last", just sends chills everywhere.
The moment Rassilon is ejected gets very important after the Timeless Child Retcon and the fact that the Master wiped out the Time Lords. Rassilon is the strongest creature in the universe as we know. He could easily recreate Gallifrey and the Time Lord society from ashes. He could also tem up with the Sisterhood of Karn in this project. So even though the Master destroyed the Time Lords in the future they could easily come back. And I am pretty sure they will. Rassilon is no joke. His strength, his will of survival and his ego of the importance of the Time Lords will make sure that they will do come back.
Honestly I really think RTD is gonna retcon that somehow. Gallifrey has been too important a part of the Doctor's character which all coalesces in Gallifrey being brought back and this scene. I don't think RTD would be fine with throwing that out of the window. I don't know how he would do it but the show can be very wibbly wobbly timey wimey sometimes so maybe you could just rewrite it. idk the point is I don't think Gallifrey is staying gone.
@@alecbormia4523 The benefit of a show that has always played fast and loose with time. :D
@@alecbormia4523 RTD is the one who got rid of Gallifrey in the first place with the Time War. I can’t imagine he’s going to rush in and immediately bring back the planet that he destroyed nearly 20 years ago.
@@General_Nothing He did so for a compelling story. The day of the Dr gave a clear path for the series moving forward and timeless child gives an objectively garbage conclusion to this story arc.
It absolutely must be retconned somehow in order for Dr who to not have such a massive stain on its overarching story.
I rewatched the 9th Doctor, recently, and, they put so much emphasis on the Time War. All three opening episodes allude to it, which I never noticed as a kid. The Timelords being gone was a huge deal for the show.
Then, the Master just shows up one day, and, they're all dead. Yeah, I'm willing to bet RTD will retcon it.
Imagine like a time lord civil war with the Master stirring up trouble between the two sides and the Doctor trying to keep the peace. That would have been an awesome two parter finale.
Instead we get a zombie cybermen grand plan from the Master and a Clara storyline from Gallifrey.
K then.
Lord Omega
My personal choice for the Master would be Charles Dance or someone like that. Someone classical who could do the whole slimy villain thing but still be intimidating. I don't mind Missy (I actually enjoyed the zombie Cybermen episodes for what they were) but... Charles Dance.
They did that plot in trial of a time lord with Colin baker.
I'd like to see Jeremy Irons as the Master.
Here's a thought. The War Doctor (John Hurt) and the Professor Yana version of the Master (Derek Jacobi) were both fighting in the Time War. Imagine an episode with both of them playing those roles.
smartalec2001
I always thought the 50th would have been amazing as a stand alone episode about the time war and the destruction of Gallifrey. As it is I think it's a bit of a sloppy slap stick comedy despite some brilliant performances from the cast. (RIP John Hurt, :( lost yet another legend)
"The first thing you notice about the Doctor of war, is he's unarmed, for many its also the last"
Rassilon: Magnificent Time Lord legend to impotent old gimmer in just 5 years.
@@grandmasteryoda3594 No, the point is that from the second Doctor onwards, Rassilon was this legendary timelord who was completely infallible. Now he is just a second rate dictator.
@@gentblue i dunno why i wrote this. i was probably drunk or something. anyway, your right
I wonder what the Time Lords thought of the Doctor after the whole saving Clara thing. It’s a shame they were killed off. There were still so many storylines that could have been written with Gallifrey and the Doctor trying to understand what his Time Lord identity made him. Hell Bent was an awesome episode and it was satisfying to see the Doctor finally get the recognition he deserved. Even if he was broken by that point.
I get the feeling they're going to eventually undo Gallifrey's destruction. Kinda like how they did it in the first place.
"I made your history a jigsaw puzzle. Did you like it?"
Hell of a performance; genuinely, the actor who plays Rassilon, Donald Sumpter, looks the absolute spit of my late grandfather, so it’s hard to make me dislike him, but this scene managed it well enough.
This should have been the whole episode.
Yeah it should have been more about the Doctor and the timelords not all about Clara and I'm not one of the ones who has something against her either. It's just he returned to Gallifrey it was time for the timelords and the Doctor to settle it and there should have been more than five minutes to that part of the story.
What I've always loved about the Doctor since getting into the series is that it shows how intelligence, will and a deep rooted goodness beneath the dark makes someone more powerful than all the weapons in the world.
Rassilon: Gallifrey is mine!
The Doctor: puts on sunglasses and not saying a word.
I haven't got this far in New Who yet but...considering how powerful Rassilon was in The 5 Doctors alone (turning someone into living stone while unconscious), he should've been able to murder all those guards and The Doctor with a passing thought.
Rassilon was able to kill people who disagreed with him as well as possibly being able to turn people who "betrayed" Rassilon into Weeping Angels (notice the woman behind Rassilon in End Of Time - possibly The Doctor's mother, she's holding her hands like the weeping angels) as well as nearly killed The Doctor with his gauntlet.
You're assuming that Rassilon didn't use technology to turn people into stone. Borusa only turned to stone when he put on the ring. If he hadn't have done this he would have survived. This is the mistake a lot of people make about the Time Lords, assuming they are Time Wizards when in fact they are just a stupendously advanced speices. In the classic series it is implied that they have forgotten how much of their tech works.
0:51 "Glasgow" such an unappreciated comment.
1:52 that little bit of Bad Wolf is a nice touch. Thank you Murray Gold
One of the best doctor who fights ever. Just encapsulates the doctor.
Star Wars the Clone Wars did almost the exact same shot a few years earlier.
In that show, the clones about to execute their fellow solider only to shoot the wall behind them. The camera then pans back from the smoldering laser burns over the shoulder of the firing squad's target who is unharmed. Then all the clones switch sides from their commander to their target. It's almost exactly like this scene here!
It's incredible the build up to this moment over the years, then it finally happens and it's an art piece through and through. Then the next show runner takes over and forgets this ever happened. BUT Flux was really good do gotta give him credit for that. Just hope Davies brings us back here
Why are the space wizards who are supposedly the most powerful race in existence using generic laser guns? Guns that can't even put a hole through a wooden wall? Also why are they flying around in generic space ships when they have tardis's? Why not show us a war tardis or two? This is why I didn't like the time war in the 50th anniversary either. These space wizards should have staves that shoot out lightning taking out multiple daleks at once and those gauntlet thingies to manipulate time freezing daleks on the spot. I just don't get the feeling of super powerful race here.
no but they should have some better tech for their average grunts then that especially since they just came out of a war with the daleks.
Not everyone in Gallifrey is a Time Lord they're only the elite class of gallifreyans
Not everyone on Earth is a King or Queen but we are all still humans. Humans with the same technology.
Time lord technology staggnated, then started regressing. I'm assuming rassilion was still building it back into an empire
"Why are the space wizards who are supposedly the most powerful race in existence using generic laser guns?"
For the same reason some executions are done with pistols, even when large machine guns are available. Tradition.
Stories are where memories go when they're forgotten.
Great line.
I heard a quote once: “myths and legends are truths blown out of proportion by storytellers.” Interesting concept when you think about various mythologies.
1:54 - The use of the bad wolf theme here is on point tbh
Hey, remember Rassilon? The guy who is talked about frequently in the classic series. After years of build up he finally shows up in the 5 Doctor 20th Anniversary episode. Where he was depicted as a truly immortal entity of great power. Yeah, that was him done and dealt with in the first five minutes of the episode so the rest could be dedicated to trying to convince us all that Clara's a good character.
Yeah, the lore about Rassilon in the first 20 years of the classic series were totally worth it for his character in The Five Doctors. I would have loved to see him be someone like that in this episode. But I guess it is not to be....
The greatest can fall. Power corrupts
@arcanewarrior863 bro he invented causality that's a lot of falling
"How many regenerations did we grant you? I've got all night..." xDD
Jesus rassilon really let himself go since the end of time
At least he doesn’t spit when he rages 😂
He likely regenerated after The end of time
@@the11thdoctor40doctor
I finally got the chance to see Capaldi’s run. Seeing this just blew me away. For how much of a threat Rassilon was before, when he’s not needed for the Time War it all just falls apart
It just hurts so much at how good this scene was, and just how good this whole episode could have been had it just continued down this route and not sidetracked out of nowhere to bring back Clara. Now god knows how long it'll take them to ever revisit Gallifrey and the Doctor's role on it again
Ok but that whistle tune that started at 1:54 is FIRE
Rassilon was a lot more intimidating as Timothy Dalton. Now he's just pathetic.
I agree. Just a doddering old man in a dressing gown.
That's the point.
He's a pathetic tyrant in ceremonial garb who buckles the moment the people realize that they don't need to obey him.
They did ask Timothy Dalton to come back but it clashed with his filming schedule :(
@@fl00fydragon so practically boris johnson
@Bodhi McClory-Preston always.😀
my favourite episode, the doctor showing just how much power and influence he has.
1:52 love the few notes from the 9th/10th Doctor's theme. Just wish Gallifrey's theme was incorporated more.
Man, this makes me miss Timothy Dalton as Rassilon.
What a moment of immense tension and the music just works brilliantly.
can we just talk about the rehashed 'bad wolf' theme
I love it. I don't know what it is about it, I just love it.
Clara's has had a potential departure at least six times.
•Asylum of the Daleks
•The Snowmen
•The Name of the Doctor
•Last Christmas
•Face the Raven
•Hell Bent.
And I guess with her return in Twice Upon a Time, that'd be seven.
Wonderful.
Oh don't forget about her future visit when the doctor regenerates into a young man fall in love with her again, looks to her for wisdom and when she finally leave turns out she's pregnate. Honestly they have did a lot of goodbyes with Clara, I wouldn't be surprised if they brought her back.