The moment Loki drops the illusion in his cell and we see how destroyed he looks is the best scene in the whole movie, Loki was such an amazingly written character
His mother wasnt an illusion in the cell, she just knows how to project her image just like Loki does. Like... she taught him or something. About Odin: I dont think they write him badly this movie. I think we as viewers get to be disillusioned about him just as Thor gets disillusioned. In the first movie Thor is an arrogant child who provokes a war, and Odin is against that and his flaws are not apparent in that situation. In the second movie we see how Odin united the realms, and its not pretty. Hes not the noble king Thor thinks he is.
@ianburns1167 I'm sure it would be noticeable that he has in control 9 whole realms, anyone with a bit of brain could understand how anyone can get it control of a realm
27:35 Good news! While there's no Loki movie, there is a show with two seasons. However, it started after Endgame was released, so you have a ways to go before you can see it.
@andco53 Goddam we really got a generational run coming. I always thought Winter Soldier would still be some time away but that and Guardians is gonna be amazing reactions to see.
Yeah, Loki's reaction to his mom's death was heartbreaking to see. We didn't really see his facial reaction but his outburst in his cell showed just how much he cared for his mother.
he feels for his whole family, he's just too deep in his own shit half the time, it's sad to see really. like when Thor pleaded him to come back, you could see it in his eyes that he wanted that, but was in his deal with the Frost Giants.
Since when is this a popular reading? I think it makes a lot more sense for it to be an illusion he made to try to win an argument with her. That's something most people do in their heads, Loki is just doing it more viscerally.
Pretty sure it was confirmed his mother was talking to him for real, _specifically_ to show off how he had learned everything from _her_ ...@@brettd2308
@@brettd2308 because it’s what happened… she uses one later as well… and her back story is that she was raised by witches that taught her magic which she then taught Loki
@@brettd2308 Because we see her doing the same trick later in the movie?! And we also see Loki surprised, taken back when he tries to touch her and cannot. Why would he be surprised that she wasnt really there if he had created that illusion?
After Captain America: The Winter Soldier, it goes Guardians of the Galaxy, then Avengers: Age of Ultron, then Ant-Man, then Captain America: Civil War, then Doctor Strange, and so on. There are a bunch more movies after those, that’s just what I could remember off the top of my head.
@@bridge2228 But you can always expect great things from the King of Time, the greatest, kindest Overlord, Ohma Zi-O. It wouldn't be Woz without Ohma Zi-O glazing
@UltimateGamerCC Natalie wasn't available by the time they realized they needed her for the last scene because she'd already started working for another movie
In Norse Mythology, Thor's real wife really is Lady Sif. Not only is she a fierce warrior, but a fiercer drinker than her husband. Also, there is a story where Loki actually shaves her head in her sleep, and to save his skin, Loki had some dwarves make her new hair that's made of REAL gold.
The infinity stones are each powerful artifacts in their own right and even scarier when combined. Asgard thinks its safer if they aren't all kept in one basket. The Collector likes collecting rare and valuable things, even if he doesn't have a practical use in mind. He'd want the stones just to have them. I'm not saying he absolutely wouldn't use stuff from his collection, just that he'd want a complete set regardless and generally isn't motivated by galactic conquest. Since he collects plot devices as a hobby, he needs to have pretty good security, at least for his most valuable items. That makes him a pretty good choice to keep something out of the wrong (or at least worse) hands. He might be more secure than Asgard's vault, or at least comparable.
Collecting things is his point and purpose. He'd die if he didn't collect things. Collector collects, Watcher watches, and Galactus feeds. They are what they do.
Man, I forgot how tragic it was when Thor's mom died. Loki was feeling the pain harder than Thor. Even though no one saw him break down. Also Alicia, Loki gets his own show but that doesn't happen until Phase 4.
15:58 First off... (ahem)... hammer. Second, I don’t think that was Loki creating an illusion of his mom that he could talk to. She was the one who taught Loki illusion magic, so that was more likely her sending an illusion of herself into his cell so that they could talk.
There is actually a deleted part of that scene that specifically addresses that which I still to this day don't understand why it was cut out. It added a bit of important bit of context both for the end of the scene and for tricking Malekith later on, and it really didn't hamper or drag down a scene that was already being carried rather well by both Russo and Hiddleston.
Why would she do that when she could just walk down there herself? It makes much more sense that it's an illusion that Loki creates, and means that the things she is saying are from his own subconscious.
In the comics Malekith has a much more colorful design having blue skin on one side and pitch black skin on the other while wearing a black/red robe which contrasts his face.
He also has actual personality while still being completely evil. Seriously what idiot looked at malekiths design in the comics and his personality in most of them and thought this bland colorless stone-faced nobody was a good adaptation?
Regarding 10:1 lifespan relationships, the Asari in Mass Effect consider this often. They view a human-lifetime relationship as a seasonal fling, one with a Salarian as a one-night stand, and a Krogan relationship as a serious and intense commitment.
@@UltimateGamerCC it really was avengers civil war and not Captain America😔 god I'm so tilted they didn't go with they're original plans instead of the obvious mediocre response to BvS that Is civil war. It's not even a good adaptation.
I was very plugged in to the theory crafting even at the time of these movies coming out so I sometimes forget this is technically the first mention of Infinity Stones, even though people suspected the Tessaract and something else of being them previously.
Regarding your question about why SHIELD doesn't do anything,this movie is happening kinda at the same time as Captain america :Winter soldier (your next movie normally) Your questions will be answered then
Not really. We get the timeline from Agents of SHIELD, and there are several episodes in between the one where they're cleaning up the aftermath of Dark World and the one where they're dealing with the events of Winter Soldier.
This movie sure did happen. Ive always been critical of it, but its got some pretty solid moments and honestly i think it ages better the further you get in the series cause of the character moments that come from it. Oh. And uh, hammer.
Theres 3 movies. Theres the Malekith movie which is fine, the Jane Foster movie which is kind of meh, and the Thor/Loki uneasy alliance movie which is amazing. Generally Thor, Loki, Odin, Freya are great in this one and I really wish this movie had a better reception so we could have seen the Shakespearan Thor vs King Loki showdown they built towards instead of the Ragnarok we got.
@Serryy Yeah I really enjoyed Loki and Thor throughout this. Everything else is either boring or weirdly written. As someone with some serious mommy issues, the scene with Loki and Frigga just DESTROYED me when I watched it. But unfortunately all that interesting character stuff is sandwiched with this dark elf stuff I really don't care about. I enjoyed Ragnarok so I can't complain too much, but I do wish that movie could've been a little different based on this movie being different though.
@@AshRain-nu3vz As someone who disliked Ragnarok, let me put it this way for people who liked the movie: The comedy Ragnarok movie could have happened at any point. But only Thor 3 could have been an epic resolution for the Thor/Loki stuff, freeing up the franchise to branch out. For example, into comedy.
Hammer: "The only thing that can make my opinion happen is me watching the damn thing and formulating, alright." That is the best mind set to have and the best way to approach any movie or any other forms of art, because at the end of the day it is all subjective. So, love the MCU films you love and gripe about the ones you don't, and tell anyone who tries to demand you have the same opinion as them to piss off. While I did like this movie, one of the things I enjoyed about this movie the most doesn't actually come from the movie itself, but more the episode of Agents of SHIELD that aired after the movie's release: "You know, for once it'd be nice if, for once, Thor and his people would send down the god of Cleaning Up After Yourself. They probably have a magic broom for it."
Fun fact: Fandral (blonde musketeer guy) is played by Zachary Levi in this movie, he was Chuck in the tv show Chuck, and he'd later go on to play Shazam.
I get what you're saying about Odin, but in the mythology, he Is an actually shady guy. True, the comics/movies are separated from the literal myth, and it may have been an accident on the writing team, but the strange change in charger throughout the film is consistent with his TRUE character. Odin is all about gaining EVERYTHING; knowledge ancient artifacts, everything! He's literally called the Allfather. In his search for ultimate knowledge, he lost his eye(in the myth not the film). As a king, it's his job to put on airs for the people and even for his sons. He doesn't bother putting it on for me who are, in his eye, inconsequential. Now that something dear to him(Frigga) is gone, taken from him, he feels that a need to pretend is pointless as everything that mattered to him is lost. Odin is willing to risk everything he HAS, even at the cost of his dignity as a king and a person, as long as it means victory.
He is still plenty shady in the comics version. The spin was just that he was supposedly wise, and making awful if not sometimes evil decision for the good of Asgard or his family. In the 70-80S Odin's plots and lies always came back biting them back, especially while he was in his Odin-Sleep mode. At the end of the 90s, it comes full circle with Ragnarok finally happening, and the reveal that Odin kept scheming to free himself, Thor and Asgard from a never ending cycle orchestrated by "the Ones who sit above in the shadow". We also learnt how he stole his throne from his father Bor. And when back to life around 2018 , he was basically a broken mess, a bitter drunk jerk cast aside by everyone. I agree that in the movies he is usually depicted in a very positive light
As someone who's lived just outside London my entire life, I can tell when it's going to rain without even looking at the sky. I can tell by the air pressure. And the answer is often "Yes" (Also, Hammer)
Most of the hate for this movie came from either people who decided to hate the Marvel movies on principle, or people who insisted on judging it on the high standards set by other Marvel movies.
Alicia: "I don't understand the thing about people trying to collect stones" Me, knowing just what collecting those stones means: HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA
Fun fact about Loki in the Avengers Thanos was controlling him to a degree using the Scepter that he gave Loki it amplified his worst thoughts and most negative traits greatly. So Taneleer Tivan AKA The Collector is a much bigger deal in the Comics than in the MCU in the Comics he one of the oldest beings in the Universe immortal and nigh invincible he's like a slightly less evil Brainiac.
Remember, Loki gave the elves the directions to his mom. Loki's actions insured his mother's death. Loki, and his ambition, his lust for power, killed the person who cared most for him.
After the Avengers (2012) movie Disney XD had a "Avengers Assemble" series that started in 2013. Because of this I already had idea of future possibilities and was super hype to see how the franchise continued. I couldn't wait for another movie so, the animated tv series got me into the greater Marvel universe (originally I was exclusively a Spider-Man fan).
Honestly after the marvel movies. If you want theres a tv series that's not cannon to the mcu because of the writers use to be on with marvel and started the show but left the mcu. It loosely follows the mcu then goes it own way. Its called agents of shield and I think you might like it.
Thor and Loki's relationship (their whole family by extension) is definitely the highlight of this film for me. Regardless of how I'd rate it the movie in general.
Just for trivia and info , in the comics, Sif and Thor had an on/off romance. In a nutshell , in attempts to make her shine more as a solo character and more than a regular sidekick/ex lover, they eventually broke them off for good and sent them on different paths.
14:13 thats my main issue with the movie. Malekith the Accursed is supposed to be like Loki mixed with the Joker, super f-ked up. But because Loki is already in the movie, they made Malekith a super generic bad guy... 28:17 thor and syf are married in the actual mythology actually.
For some Marvel lore: there are a small group of individuals who are the last of their race. They dedicate themselves to one, specific, task and this dedication is so strong that it holds off age. The Collector is one such being. His dedication to collecting things is so strong that it has rendered him immortal. He doesn't want the Infinity Stones to use, he wants them so he has a set of Infinity Stones. That's why the Asgardians trust him. He will keep them secure in a private, planet-spanning vault just so he can look at them and think "I have the whole set."
_"there are a small group of individuals who are the last of their race. They dedicate themselves to one, specific, task and this dedication is so strong that it holds off age. The Collector is one such being. His dedication to collecting things is so strong that it has rendered him immortal."_ Is that the MCU version? Because in the comics they were ancient (and made immortal through a specific event) that have each chosen a calling to basically keep busy (one is a competitive fighter, one is a competitive runner, one does gardening etc).
Yes, the Tesseract and the Aether are both Infinity Stones, and based on what the Collector said there are six in total. You may not know what those are, but you know how powerful the two that you've seen are, and they are called Infinity Stones...
People rag on this movie but I think it's underrated. Good sci fi and fantasy action, good plot, emotional moments and funny. I don't know why people hate on it.
Loki will always be Loki, but at least he seems to have learned a lesson or 2 about subtlety and maybe some respect for his brother. Can't wait for Guardians!!!
HAMMER. yeah Marvel Fans can be really critical of Marvel Movies, often to ridiculous degrees for that matter. that being said i have enjoyed most of what Marvel has put out. my favorites being the Iron Man, Blade and Venom Movies. Netflix's Daredevil btw, SO DAMN GOOD. the Netflix series, not the Movie with Ben Affleck.
The Hammer shots are always great. This movie does suffer from a common issue with the weaker MCU movies where the film's Antagonist being forgettable and not fully fleshed out in. It was definitely OK, but not as good as it could have been with a more compelling antagonist.
@@hollowbrinethehollowfiedsu6365 Agreed, ‘though I felt the first season was rather dull. Until, you know, _that_ movie came out & completely changed the tone. Honestly, I would love to see her despair over Fitz Simmons. It would break her romance-loving heart.
There's no Loki movie, but the Loki tv show is one of the best tv shows Marvel has made. Definitely worth checking out after you're done with the movies. Hammer
27:42 lucky you there is 2 seasons of Loki show after avengers endgame and let me tell you this, It’s definitely one of THE best things marvel has ever produced (equal to infinity war and endgame). Especially the finale of Loki where Loki decides to take all the burden on his own (people who watched it know what I’m talking about). The visuals, the music, the message, the symbolism of the finale. I have never seen a more perfect, more powerful and more satisfying but bittersweet ending in a tv show till now. So yea I can’t wait until you get to it.
I think the biggest issue people had with this movie was that a lot of the stuff that is presented like it should be a big deal didn't get set up well enough to make it actually feel like it was a big deal. Personally I still rather enjoy it for what it is, but at the same time I won't defend it as something it's not. I also agree with Alicia's points about the writing when it came to Odin's character.
The next film is important to me because it's the only one I've watched in person together with my bro while I was in New Orleans for Wrestlemania 30. A dear memory.
Hammer! Britain has the best weather service! It's just that UK weather is the final boss for forecasters. It's not particuarly bad, just a constant 50/50 of will it be meh or bleh.
I really wish they'd done more with Malekith. Christopher Eccleston is a FANTASTIC actor, with so much range! Here, they just have him giving drab monologues about darkness.
The next movie should absolutely be Guardians of the Galaxy with The Collector being teased. And the next Captain America film is a great intro to the next Avengers. So yeah, please do guardians next.
There is a Loki series on Disney+, but I haven't seen it, so I can't comment on its quality one way or another. Edit: Said series was released after fucking with time and dimensions is introduced, so literally anybody could legit die and come back in some form.
There really aren't any 'bad' MCU movies tbh. Even the least popular ones are fairly well done in comparison to most other comic book movies we've ever gotten.
Loki doesn't hate the F out of Odin or Thor, he's just really really angry at them. It's like... he learned he's adopted and is therefore out of the will for nothing he did growing up in his brother's shadow which is now not even a shadow, it's like a mountain top.
I feel so bad for this movie because it got completely screwed over by executive meddling. The Marvel Creative Committee massively rewrote the film in post-production, forcing the creators to make unpopular changes after the film had already been shot. Most significantly, Maliketh originally had an extensive backstory that explained who he was as a character and why he wanted to destroy the Nine Realms, which would have made him feel much less flat as a character, but it was entirely scrapped to make room for more Loki scenes because Loki sold more tickets.
![Noob To Max With DRAGON REWORK In Blox Fruits [FULL MOVIE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LnBMOinoOvA/mqdefault.jpg)
The moment Loki drops the illusion in his cell and we see how destroyed he looks is the best scene in the whole movie, Loki was such an amazingly written character
"WHO PUT ME THERE!" is a close second
And Performed.
His mother wasnt an illusion in the cell, she just knows how to project her image just like Loki does. Like... she taught him or something.
About Odin: I dont think they write him badly this movie. I think we as viewers get to be disillusioned about him just as Thor gets disillusioned. In the first movie Thor is an arrogant child who provokes a war, and Odin is against that and his flaws are not apparent in that situation. In the second movie we see how Odin united the realms, and its not pretty. Hes not the noble king Thor thinks he is.
Glad to have it, ashamed of how he got it
sometimes the path to Peace is an UGLY road, but it's a destination that we all want to reach.
Yeah that's how some kingdoms gained their kingdom, what Odin here did is actually stop, if that isn't change
@@JoniEscar_07 The fact that he stopped is, in fact, important. The fact that he covered up how he achieved all he did... is also important.
@ianburns1167 I'm sure it would be noticeable that he has in control 9 whole realms, anyone with a bit of brain could understand how anyone can get it control of a realm
27:35
Good news! While there's no Loki movie, there is a show with two seasons. However, it started after Endgame was released, so you have a ways to go before you can see it.
It's actually insane the next run of movies: from Captain America Winter Soldier up until Infinity War; legendary run.
Winter Soilder is next!?
@@GaryJojo Indeed
@@GaryJojoAnd right after that is Guardians!
@andco53 Goddam we really got a generational run coming. I always thought Winter Soldier would still be some time away but that and Guardians is gonna be amazing reactions to see.
Yeah, Loki's reaction to his mom's death was heartbreaking to see. We didn't really see his facial reaction but his outburst in his cell showed just how much he cared for his mother.
Yep, just telling how much I hate when editors cut that one out, my fav scene. -_-
he feels for his whole family, he's just too deep in his own shit half the time, it's sad to see really. like when Thor pleaded him to come back, you could see it in his eyes that he wanted that, but was in his deal with the Frost Giants.
I feel better knowing the British actor that plays Loki is an Arsenal fan like me.😆🤣
That wasn't an illusion Loki made, it was an illusion the mom made to talk to him, so she really was talking to him.
yeah some one had to teach him after all
Since when is this a popular reading? I think it makes a lot more sense for it to be an illusion he made to try to win an argument with her. That's something most people do in their heads, Loki is just doing it more viscerally.
Pretty sure it was confirmed his mother was talking to him for real, _specifically_ to show off how he had learned everything from _her_ ...@@brettd2308
@@brettd2308 because it’s what happened… she uses one later as well… and her back story is that she was raised by witches that taught her magic which she then taught Loki
@@brettd2308 Because we see her doing the same trick later in the movie?! And we also see Loki surprised, taken back when he tries to touch her and cannot. Why would he be surprised that she wasnt really there if he had created that illusion?
After Captain America: The Winter Soldier, it goes Guardians of the Galaxy, then Avengers: Age of Ultron, then Ant-Man, then Captain America: Civil War, then Doctor Strange, and so on.
There are a bunch more movies after those, that’s just what I could remember off the top of my head.
she kniows... her editor only tells her a few movies at a time to avoid spoilers
I must be madella effecting because I could have sworn the first guardians of the galaxy was before phase 2.
Hopefully she plans on watching some of the shows and One-Shots, etc. Otherwise, she might get confused about some things. @@Tm-dn9ob
Fun fact: Malekith is played by Christopher Eccleston, also known as the 9th Doctor, from Doctor Who.
Can't say I expected to find woz in the comments
@@bridge2228 But you can always expect great things from the King of Time, the greatest, kindest Overlord, Ohma Zi-O.
It wouldn't be Woz without Ohma Zi-O glazing
That explains why he was so boring
Iconic that he left Who because he didn’t want to be typecast, yet Who was probably his most famous role.
And he hated every minute of it
Fun fact: the Jane Foster that Thor kisses at the very end isn’t Natalie Portman, but Chris Hemsworth’s wife Elsa Pataky wearing a wig
what? did she get jelly or was Chris hesitant?
@UltimateGamerCC Natalie wasn't available by the time they realized they needed her for the last scene because she'd already started working for another movie
In Norse Mythology, Thor's real wife really is Lady Sif.
Not only is she a fierce warrior, but a fiercer drinker than her husband.
Also, there is a story where Loki actually shaves her head in her sleep, and to save his skin, Loki had some dwarves make her new hair that's made of REAL gold.
at the end is also why Loki sayed keep the hammer because if Thor handed it over he would be discovered
Heimdall smiling and welcoming Jane to Asgard will be echoed and hit WAY different many movies from now.
The infinity stones are each powerful artifacts in their own right and even scarier when combined. Asgard thinks its safer if they aren't all kept in one basket.
The Collector likes collecting rare and valuable things, even if he doesn't have a practical use in mind. He'd want the stones just to have them. I'm not saying he absolutely wouldn't use stuff from his collection, just that he'd want a complete set regardless and generally isn't motivated by galactic conquest.
Since he collects plot devices as a hobby, he needs to have pretty good security, at least for his most valuable items. That makes him a pretty good choice to keep something out of the wrong (or at least worse) hands. He might be more secure than Asgard's vault, or at least comparable.
Collecting things is his point and purpose. He'd die if he didn't collect things. Collector collects, Watcher watches, and Galactus feeds. They are what they do.
Man, I forgot how tragic it was when Thor's mom died. Loki was feeling the pain harder than Thor. Even though no one saw him break down. Also Alicia, Loki gets his own show but that doesn't happen until Phase 4.
15:58 First off... (ahem)... hammer.
Second, I don’t think that was Loki creating an illusion of his mom that he could talk to. She was the one who taught Loki illusion magic, so that was more likely her sending an illusion of herself into his cell so that they could talk.
Ye. It means his last interaction with her was not nice at all by him, and fuels his anger and grief
There is actually a deleted part of that scene that specifically addresses that which I still to this day don't understand why it was cut out. It added a bit of important bit of context both for the end of the scene and for tricking Malekith later on, and it really didn't hamper or drag down a scene that was already being carried rather well by both Russo and Hiddleston.
Why would she do that when she could just walk down there herself? It makes much more sense that it's an illusion that Loki creates, and means that the things she is saying are from his own subconscious.
@@WJS774 I said it on another comment with more detail but, but in short, his mom doesn't trust him enough to be in the same room with him.
In the comics Malekith has a much more colorful design having blue skin on one side and pitch black skin on the other while wearing a black/red robe which contrasts his face.
Introduced in the legendary Walter Simonson run too.
He also has actual personality while still being completely evil. Seriously what idiot looked at malekiths design in the comics and his personality in most of them and thought this bland colorless stone-faced nobody was a good adaptation?
Regarding 10:1 lifespan relationships, the Asari in Mass Effect consider this often. They view a human-lifetime relationship as a seasonal fling, one with a Salarian as a one-night stand, and a Krogan relationship as a serious and intense commitment.
Can’t wait for captain america: winter soldier probably in top 5 best marvel movies and my personal favorite
@@Ghostmaker01 the Captain America movies are all top-tier, but that one is _the_ top.
@@IamMeHere2See Agree. It's funny how I find all of Cap's movies to be the best of the bunch, yet he is one of my least favorite characters. 😆
@@Kimch87 lol same
Avengers Civil War is gonna make Alicia freak out.
@@UltimateGamerCC it really was avengers civil war and not Captain America😔 god I'm so tilted they didn't go with they're original plans instead of the obvious mediocre response to BvS that Is civil war. It's not even a good adaptation.
39:35 heh heh heh "Stupid stones" she says. 😂😂😂
I was very plugged in to the theory crafting even at the time of these movies coming out so I sometimes forget this is technically the first mention of Infinity Stones, even though people suspected the Tessaract and something else of being them previously.
Regarding your question about why SHIELD doesn't do anything,this movie is happening kinda at the same time as Captain america :Winter soldier (your next movie normally) Your questions will be answered then
Not really. We get the timeline from Agents of SHIELD, and there are several episodes in between the one where they're cleaning up the aftermath of Dark World and the one where they're dealing with the events of Winter Soldier.
11:57 oh yeah rule number one of being in anywhere in Britain is ALWAYS assume it'll rain if it even seems like theres only a 1% chance.
I see Alicia's streak with her favorite characters is still going strong.
This movie sure did happen. Ive always been critical of it, but its got some pretty solid moments and honestly i think it ages better the further you get in the series cause of the character moments that come from it.
Oh. And uh, hammer.
Theres 3 movies. Theres the Malekith movie which is fine, the Jane Foster movie which is kind of meh, and the Thor/Loki uneasy alliance movie which is amazing. Generally Thor, Loki, Odin, Freya are great in this one and I really wish this movie had a better reception so we could have seen the Shakespearan Thor vs King Loki showdown they built towards instead of the Ragnarok we got.
@Serryy Yeah I really enjoyed Loki and Thor throughout this. Everything else is either boring or weirdly written.
As someone with some serious mommy issues, the scene with Loki and Frigga just DESTROYED me when I watched it. But unfortunately all that interesting character stuff is sandwiched with this dark elf stuff I really don't care about.
I enjoyed Ragnarok so I can't complain too much, but I do wish that movie could've been a little different based on this movie being different though.
@@AshRain-nu3vz As someone who disliked Ragnarok, let me put it this way for people who liked the movie:
The comedy Ragnarok movie could have happened at any point. But only Thor 3 could have been an epic resolution for the Thor/Loki stuff, freeing up the franchise to branch out. For example, into comedy.
@Serryy I see what you're talking about, and I think you definitely have a solid point. This is kinda the way I feel about Love and Thunder.
Hammer:
"The only thing that can make my opinion happen is me watching the damn thing and formulating, alright."
That is the best mind set to have and the best way to approach any movie or any other forms of art, because at the end of the day it is all subjective. So, love the MCU films you love and gripe about the ones you don't, and tell anyone who tries to demand you have the same opinion as them to piss off.
While I did like this movie, one of the things I enjoyed about this movie the most doesn't actually come from the movie itself, but more the episode of Agents of SHIELD that aired after the movie's release: "You know, for once it'd be nice if, for once, Thor and his people would send down the god of Cleaning Up After Yourself. They probably have a magic broom for it."
Malekith...
‘He’s just standing there...menacingly’
Fun fact: Fandral (blonde musketeer guy) is played by Zachary Levi in this movie, he was Chuck in the tv show Chuck, and he'd later go on to play Shazam.
I get what you're saying about Odin, but in the mythology, he Is an actually shady guy. True, the comics/movies are separated from the literal myth, and it may have been an accident on the writing team, but the strange change in charger throughout the film is consistent with his TRUE character.
Odin is all about gaining EVERYTHING; knowledge ancient artifacts, everything! He's literally called the Allfather.
In his search for ultimate knowledge, he lost his eye(in the myth not the film).
As a king, it's his job to put on airs for the people and even for his sons. He doesn't bother putting it on for me who are, in his eye, inconsequential.
Now that something dear to him(Frigga) is gone, taken from him, he feels that a need to pretend is pointless as everything that mattered to him is lost.
Odin is willing to risk everything he HAS, even at the cost of his dignity as a king and a person, as long as it means victory.
He is still plenty shady in the comics version. The spin was just that he was supposedly wise, and making awful if not sometimes evil decision for the good of Asgard or his family. In the 70-80S Odin's plots and lies always came back biting them back, especially while he was in his Odin-Sleep mode. At the end of the 90s, it comes full circle with Ragnarok finally happening, and the reveal that Odin kept scheming to free himself, Thor and Asgard from a never ending cycle orchestrated by "the Ones who sit above in the shadow". We also learnt how he stole his throne from his father Bor. And when back to life around 2018 , he was basically a broken mess, a bitter drunk jerk cast aside by everyone. I agree that in the movies he is usually depicted in a very positive light
As someone who's lived just outside London my entire life, I can tell when it's going to rain without even looking at the sky. I can tell by the air pressure.
And the answer is often "Yes"
(Also, Hammer)
Most of the hate for this movie came from either people who decided to hate the Marvel movies on principle, or people who insisted on judging it on the high standards set by other Marvel movies.
Alicia: "I don't understand the thing about people trying to collect stones"
Me, knowing just what collecting those stones means: HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA
Fun fact about Loki in the Avengers Thanos was controlling him to a degree using the Scepter that he gave Loki it amplified his worst thoughts and most negative traits greatly. So Taneleer Tivan AKA The Collector is a much bigger deal in the Comics than in the MCU in the Comics he one of the oldest beings in the Universe immortal and nigh invincible he's like a slightly less evil Brainiac.
i think he still is in the movies, they just don't really focus on him at all
It’s sadder when you realize that it’s kind of Loki’s fault that his mom died
Remember, Loki gave the elves the directions to his mom. Loki's actions insured his mother's death. Loki, and his ambition, his lust for power, killed the person who cared most for him.
this is what I had to check for before commenting, the tragic part of this movie, is Loki is the reason she died. ~
*Alicia:* Code word for today so I know you didn't skip the intro is...
*Me:* Hammer.
*Alicia:* Hammer!
After the Avengers (2012) movie Disney XD had a "Avengers Assemble" series that started in 2013. Because of this I already had idea of future possibilities and was super hype to see how the franchise continued.
I couldn't wait for another movie so, the animated tv series got me into the greater Marvel universe (originally I was exclusively a Spider-Man fan).
Honestly after the marvel movies. If you want theres a tv series that's not cannon to the mcu because of the writers use to be on with marvel and started the show but left the mcu. It loosely follows the mcu then goes it own way. Its called agents of shield and I think you might like it.
Thor and Loki's relationship (their whole family by extension) is definitely the highlight of this film for me. Regardless of how I'd rate it the movie in general.
the giant lizard thing is a BILGESNIPE
I always thought those DARK ELF blackhole bombs were crazy! :O
I much prefer the DUNMER of SKYRIM :D
While there isn't a Loki movie, you'll be happy to know there is a Loki show that has 2 seasons, it takes place after Avengers Endgame.
I love this Thor 2 reaction
That was Loki's mom talking to him. She's the one who taught him how to project himself like a 3D Skype call.
Opinions of the movie aside, I will say that at least this movie gave us all the outtakes of Natalie Portman slapping Chris Hemsworth for real.
Can't wait for Cap next! One of my favorite MCU films. Oh, right, HAMMER.
Alicia being surprised by Loki's tricks is funny. He's the trickster god for a reason
Just for trivia and info , in the comics, Sif and Thor had an on/off romance. In a nutshell , in attempts to make her shine more as a solo character and more than a regular sidekick/ex lover, they eventually broke them off for good and sent them on different paths.
I'm all for Alicia's rollercoaster of emotions for Loki, like the camera on every up and down 🎢 One of the best characters in the MCU 💚
14:13 thats my main issue with the movie. Malekith the Accursed is supposed to be like Loki mixed with the Joker, super f-ked up. But because Loki is already in the movie, they made Malekith a super generic bad guy...
28:17 thor and syf are married in the actual mythology actually.
Alicia drying her shoes in a London bathroom is sending me. I was born in London, moved to Portugal for sunshine tho! I feel you!
Natalie Portman couldn't be there to film the post-credit kiss, so Chris Helmsworth kissed his wife in a wig instead.
Hearing you talk about how you love their relationship as brother immediately made me go "I bet Alicia likes Devil May Cry."
"I need like an eruption of emotion to have some kind of breakdown"
Loki: Allow me to help there
Hammer. This is still to this day, my favorite Thor movie.
Fun Fact: Malekith here is played by Christopher Eccleston, who also played the 9th Doctor in Doctor Who
For some Marvel lore: there are a small group of individuals who are the last of their race. They dedicate themselves to one, specific, task and this dedication is so strong that it holds off age. The Collector is one such being. His dedication to collecting things is so strong that it has rendered him immortal. He doesn't want the Infinity Stones to use, he wants them so he has a set of Infinity Stones. That's why the Asgardians trust him. He will keep them secure in a private, planet-spanning vault just so he can look at them and think "I have the whole set."
_"there are a small group of individuals who are the last of their race. They dedicate themselves to one, specific, task and this dedication is so strong that it holds off age. The Collector is one such being. His dedication to collecting things is so strong that it has rendered him immortal."_
Is that the MCU version? Because in the comics they were ancient (and made immortal through a specific event) that have each chosen a calling to basically keep busy (one is a competitive fighter, one is a competitive runner, one does gardening etc).
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps Perhaps I'm misremembering, then. Yes, I was referring to the comics
Hammer! 🔨
Oh I can’t wait for next week! You’re gonna have some fun.
Just wait until Avengers:Age Of Ultron(an Underrated Masterpiece imo)…where there’s a fight between your Two Favourites(no more spoilers)
"You're one of my favorite characters!" Well, he's doomed NOW. lol
15:24 This scene is helps explain why the Loki tv show is so amazing.
Yes, the Tesseract and the Aether are both Infinity Stones, and based on what the Collector said there are six in total. You may not know what those are, but you know how powerful the two that you've seen are, and they are called Infinity Stones...
People rag on this movie but I think it's underrated. Good sci fi and fantasy action, good plot, emotional moments and funny.
I don't know why people hate on it.
4:20 "HAMMER" 🔨 If you love dragons you should watch the Godzilla Monsterverse films. Seriously you would LOVE a certain monster that appears it them.
I second this opinion yes please
Week 1 of asking Alicia to react to the Marvel Netflix shows before getting into Infinity War or Phase 4 !!!
Loki will always be Loki, but at least he seems to have learned a lesson or 2 about subtlety and maybe some respect for his brother. Can't wait for Guardians!!!
HAMMER. yeah Marvel Fans can be really critical of Marvel Movies, often to ridiculous degrees for that matter. that being said i have enjoyed most of what Marvel has put out. my favorites being the Iron Man, Blade and Venom Movies. Netflix's Daredevil btw, SO DAMN GOOD. the Netflix series, not the Movie with Ben Affleck.
The Hammer shots are always great. This movie does suffer from a common issue with the weaker MCU movies where the film's Antagonist being forgettable and not fully fleshed out in. It was definitely OK, but not as good as it could have been with a more compelling antagonist.
I recommend watching Agents of SHIELD, even if it isn't a reaction. They tie into this and the next few movies along with being so amazing in writing
@@hollowbrinethehollowfiedsu6365 Agreed, ‘though I felt the first season was rather dull. Until, you know, _that_ movie came out & completely changed the tone. Honestly, I would love to see her despair over Fitz Simmons. It would break her romance-loving heart.
@IamMeHere2See imagine her reaction to doctor Fitz and ring girl Jemma
@ I watched the whole series as it came out. The frustration at every setback. . . . It truly went to magical places.
@@IamMeHere2See I missed a few of the episodes but yeah it was a fun ride
There's no Loki movie, but the Loki tv show is one of the best tv shows Marvel has made. Definitely worth checking out after you're done with the movies. Hammer
27:42 lucky you there is 2 seasons of Loki show after avengers endgame and let me tell you this, It’s definitely one of THE best things marvel has ever produced (equal to infinity war and endgame). Especially the finale of Loki where Loki decides to take all the burden on his own (people who watched it know what I’m talking about).
The visuals, the music, the message, the symbolism of the finale. I have never seen a more perfect, more powerful and more satisfying but bittersweet ending in a tv show till now. So yea I can’t wait until you get to it.
Loki and Thor are without a doubt the best parts of the movie.
Also,
*Hammer*
Loki didn't get a movie, but he did get 2 seasons of a show.
Odin, in almost all iterations is 50% wise leader and 50% trash.
I can't wait to see Alicia's reaction to the movies after the Age of Ultron...
There is a TV series of Loki (12 episodes) that take place after Avengers Endgame. So if you want your Loki fix, there's that.
I think the biggest issue people had with this movie was that a lot of the stuff that is presented like it should be a big deal didn't get set up well enough to make it actually feel like it was a big deal. Personally I still rather enjoy it for what it is, but at the same time I won't defend it as something it's not. I also agree with Alicia's points about the writing when it came to Odin's character.
The next film is important to me because it's the only one I've watched in person together with my bro while I was in New Orleans for Wrestlemania 30. A dear memory.
There is a huge pile of reasons why Alicia needs to see "American History X".
It will hammer her emotionally and redeem Edward Norton for her.
Damnit loki, can you stop dying for ONE MOVIE!
Can't wait for her to see cap two.
Also hammer.
Also they retcon the long lived alien later on.
This film is the calm before the storm.
The realm is in PERIL!
ODIN: Odinsleep! XD
I hope u will do the shows later too. U re gonna love Loki show so much
This movie has the best Thor and Loki lines, sue me
Feels like dont watching movie with Alicia but watching her talking non stop 😤
Hammer! Britain has the best weather service! It's just that UK weather is the final boss for forecasters. It's not particuarly bad, just a constant 50/50 of will it be meh or bleh.
Wisdom of the day: "We're not owls."
As a brit the weather rant about london was hilarious cause that is the weather here. Weather forecast is a suggestion at best
the last bad marvel 'til phase 4, this is when the roller-coaster really gets going
I really hope you branch out into the Marvel Disney + series as well. You'd absolutely love the Loki series.
I really wish they'd done more with Malekith. Christopher Eccleston is a FANTASTIC actor, with so much range!
Here, they just have him giving drab monologues about darkness.
The next movie should absolutely be Guardians of the Galaxy with The Collector being teased. And the next Captain America film is a great intro to the next Avengers. So yeah, please do guardians next.
There is a Loki series on Disney+, but I haven't seen it, so I can't comment on its quality one way or another.
Edit: Said series was released after fucking with time and dimensions is introduced, so literally anybody could legit die and come back in some form.
There really aren't any 'bad' MCU movies tbh. Even the least popular ones are fairly well done in comparison to most other comic book movies we've ever gotten.
I was looking forward to Eternals, halfway through I was wondering how they could make it boring.
If u c this Alicia, there is a Loki series that takes place after Endgame
lokis mom taught him all his magic so it was her who sent that just like loki sent his image to thor when he was captured by coulson
Alicia will cry every time Loki "dies" right? XD
Loki doesn't hate the F out of Odin or Thor, he's just really really angry at them. It's like... he learned he's adopted and is therefore out of the will for nothing he did growing up in his brother's shadow which is now not even a shadow, it's like a mountain top.
Hammer
4:23 I love dragons too 😖🐉🫂❤️
I feel so bad for this movie because it got completely screwed over by executive meddling. The Marvel Creative Committee massively rewrote the film in post-production, forcing the creators to make unpopular changes after the film had already been shot. Most significantly, Maliketh originally had an extensive backstory that explained who he was as a character and why he wanted to destroy the Nine Realms, which would have made him feel much less flat as a character, but it was entirely scrapped to make room for more Loki scenes because Loki sold more tickets.