Aside from the ladder guys i saw a lot of new and old builds emerge from the clusters jewels, i never saw so many builds that can do all content in a single league.
Thoughts on Delirium mirrors and timers: I hate the timed mechanic with a passion so I want to see it obliterated. A mechanic that rewards more total loot rather than just faster loot like everything else except Timeless Domain (which thankfully got nerfed) needs to be murdered if at all possible. It results in an even greater disparity between fast and slow builds and the game cannot keep pushing that. Thoughts on the Delirium mechanic itself: I'm good with Delirium orbs since they mean you can take your time with the map. If the orbs don't stay then I would like to see Delirium as sextant mods, scarabs (with tiers being 20%, 60%, and 100%), or similar things that are easily accessible. Absolutely do not only tie it to a unique map because unique maps have such shit drop rates and Delirium deserves better than that. If we got the option to walk into a Delirium mirror right at the start of a map (as in within the screen of the portal!) at 10% or something I can do that too. Thoughts on cluster jewel accessibility: So long as the timed part of Delirium no longer exists and Delirium was something we could commonly access, I could accept cluster jewels only dropping from Delirium. I would still prefer them to not be coupled to Delirium at all except maybe certain unique ones like Megalomaniac or Voices. Thoughts on cluster jewel power: Part of me wants them able to still stack because it allows for some very oddball non-meta (and also not actually all that powerful) builds, but I also realize if they're allowed to stack then it's actually a balancing nightmare and some nodes must be tuned with severe stacking in mind. I'm expecting them to not stack but hoping they are able to so I can make some silly but not powerful builds.
I think the best thing GGG could do here is to scrap delirium mirrors entirely and just have delirium accessible through delirium orbs. They would have to have cluster jewels as a normal drop that is no longer gated behind delirium.
My thought on Cluster Jewels is to limit the number you can have in your build. If you socket a cluster jewel into your passive tree, all other outer jewel sockets get transformed into regular jewel sockets and prevent the equipping of cluster jewels (medium and small sockets granted by cluster jewels still work, tho). This means you can only have 1 chain, which will still be extremely powerful, but now you're actually forced to interact with the base tree a bit more.
Although part of me wishes they keep notable stacking for more niche builds the cost of feeling compelled to always build trees with the same best notables is probably too high for it to be worth trying to keep. Solid vid, think you make some real good points.
Having the mirror at 10% would be boring to say the least, but keeping orbs of delirium would be neat as once in a while you collect and use em how you feel comfortable and run a map at a whole different experience sort of like blighted maps in a way.
Funny, I was actually thinking to the same problem, and I came to the same conclusions. However, i would allow cluster passive to stack up to 3 times, or something like that, because on the upside there is also the fact that their stacking has made some combinations viable, where they previously were not. Also, I would say that power creep is a plague common to today's ... People/games design (?!) As i personally experienced it in other games as well... "Why crowd control / defend when you can kill them first" is a sad mantra.
I think notable stacking should stay, but have some notables limited to 1 or limited to 2. Because some notables are fine as a 4 of but pretty meh if you don't stack them. So I think there are multiple options: 1- make the problematic notables limited and keep stacking 2- make all jewels not stackable but offer more similar options to lower powered passives that are fine to stack. Imo stacking builds are fine as long as they are an option and not too broken. I don't mind cluster jewels being a thing you get if you want to push your character Tier 16+3 5 delirium maps exist, so I like that I can still push what I can do when I faceroll T16 maps.
For me, I play a lot of standard and played Delirium only to get my main stronger. And without new ways to get clusters I would play in cesspool of busted mechanics, also clusters are a lot of fun. So just nerf the shit out of them to make them optional.
If Delirium goes core it would mean you either abuse clusters and cluster oriented builds or bust. It inflated market prices to oblivion an led to an unforeseen amount of power creep in ONE league.
Removing cluster notable stacking is probably the easiest and most effective fix, but inte shouldn't be the only thing. I'm worried over the overall rarity of cluster jewels. 8 passive jewels are pretty rare even in Delirium league and with all the different types getting the right one will be hell unless changes are made. I'm guessing there will be some kind of guarantied jewel drop every delirium encounter if you reach some arbitrary reward tier and if delirium orbs are able to drop from other sources that might be enough
i think clusters are kinda cool but definitely need to be changed to not stack the same notables, also i feel like they should to make the keystones (besides hollow palm) more tempting to use
Many notables are only alright with stacking, It's the few ones that messed everything up. Large clusters are awful if not for the ability to get 2 mediums ;p
I do not agree with scraping, but I do agree with all your points as a alternative. I was theorycrafting in PoB with clusters and my self-proclaimed rule (no stacking), and it is cool. I think that it would be for the best
I think that limiting notables to 1 is not the way to go. Diminishing returns would be way better. Like first notable will work at 100%, seconds at like 60% and so on. It would answer some of the problems with voices stacking while not make some others that require 2 or 3 notables to work completely useless
I also hope that cluster jewels will not be a delirium specific drop. I like sim because it is easy to understand and easy to keep spam. Does not require much setup. And the reward is plentyful.
I don't know what to say here. Dilirium is the first keshe that I got both of my characters 90+ levels. I got crap ton of currencies, and enjoyed the game pretty much. On the other hand, herald stacking became quite OP. But I did like the fact that I can stack the notables. So, in other words, you can indulge yourself on notable stacking or you can path properly, like we used to.
Cluster Jewels are the biggest addition to the game since ascendancies, of course they will go core. Not least because they will continue to exist in standard anyway. Stacking should be disabled as it should have been to begin with. But Delirium as a mechanic should go, it's just too absurd compared to anything else, particularly the amount of mobs and all that comes with it, lag, clutter and loot, not the mention the spawn-in and constant gray fog covering everything get really tedious after some time. Of course the extreme imbalance between maps is a big issue, but that could be fixed. However, if a single mechanic is so ridiculously rewarding that after your 'run' ends, it is better to immediately leave the map, no matter what is left, even if it's a Cassia, two abysses and five breaches, you know something's way off. On a positive note, I will mention that after the customary week two patch, the secondary effects (explosions, ground effects, meteors etc.) are actually quite well balanced. The telegraphing is good, the damage is fair, and they spawn near you while giving you enough time to react, as opposed to Legion, which with its off-screen one-shots is still the worst-balanced mechanic in the game in my opinion.
I agree with most stuff on the video, i hugely dislike the mist mechanic, although don't mind it having a 10% spawn on maps, i would also like other ways to get jewels but even then, also don't mind much, i could just trade for them. As long as they make so the cluster jewels don't stack, which i feel is going to be the case ill be happy.
Building on the stacking limit idea: introduce uniques which increase the maximum notable count, like totems or spectres. ("+1 to maximum number of allocated notables") That way, the tradeoff is tied to using that unique - minmaxing can't be done on a full set of rares - and it allows the possibility of a notable focused ascendancy that doesn't offer much in the way of additional power but gives the flexibility of using more notables. Additionally, or instead of this; you could build the cluster sockets into themed uniques (like abyss jewels) so that you have to commit pretty hard to it to go beyond a standard number.
I'd change "making the content challenging enough" to "making challenging content" or "give ways to make the content challenging" Imo that's where delirium shines, the orbs make maps much harder and rewarding, without making the base game harder.
Well, the whole point behind redoing the sockets on gear, with us being able to have something like eight 6-links in PoE 2, it's because they said we'll need the power for the content we'll be facing.
I want only the fog guy to go core because of lore and his sarcastic nature. Maybe we can get him as a pantheon to reduce damage taken while in the fog or something.
I agree about not wanting delirium to go core, while I had a fun time this league, delirium as a mechanic wasn't fun for me, I also think that if cluster jewels were to stay then I think instead of removing stacking just limit it to one cluster tree like how you can only have one timeless jewel or watchers eye that way you could still use stuff like voices and stack some good medium and small cluster jewel notables but it wouldn't be as broken as it is now.
What do you think about the cluster of health that *everyone* takes? I'm kind of tired of *almost always* having to take it, but it's nice to have them in a cluster I guess.
The issue is access, not the power of the jewels. I'd say there are a good third of builds that don't really get all that much for a set of cluster jewels, or if they do the currency involved is simply too steep for many to justify stacking. I'd argue that cluster jewels offer a huge increase in diversity and not pigeon holing. However, I feel the main issue is that PoE is getting popular, and the uber currency players using stacking builds are warping the game far more than delerium has. Now I do agree with performance issues, but harping on them before we know what's going to happen is pointless really.
I feel very much the same on practically all of your points. I think that one of the things that kills build diversity most is the fact that you can stack the same notable as much as you have passive points for.
Cluster jewels just aren't that strong for MOST builds. Subtracting a few archetypes, unless the cluster gives you something unique, like "fire damage burns x faster", which you cannot get on the tree, they are just "pay to get 10 percent more" types of things.
i only play in standard but did take the opportunity to scoop up those early cluster jewels, still havent used them mind, they could help stop the insane squishyness of my current build a CoC shadow assassin
i think the only thing about delirium that should go core are simulacrums and clusters, idk how u would loot simulacrums but the mirrors give too much drop imo
I think Delirium should and will stay but I also agree with your suggestions. I like the cluster jewels but I really don't care for the insanity of jumping through the mirror, not being able to clearly see my path (a complaint I had about Metamorph), and chaotically killing as much as possible with no time to strategize.
Yes, current POE players are actually Beta testers for POE2. I totally agree with everything in this video. Hope to see cluster jewel notables limited time either one or at max two.
Heraldry being 60% of heatmap entries just makes the heat map comparison not useful, you could absolutely find it's completely reasonable variance wise with heraldry builds nerfed
What worries me is new players, since they are balancing arround top tier players, the frustration can hurt the retention of new players :( Also I agree 100% with the idea of not making notables stackeable and buff some of them.
As a long time casual player of PoE, Delirium was my least favorite league by far. I quit it before I even got to mapping. The terrible FPS, the gray-on-gray-on-gray literally made my eyes hurt, and the different mob types were just obnoxious imo. The tanky type taking several hits to kill, and the ones that cast arc just did way too much damage for an attack that couldn't be dodged. Having to choose to stop and loot now and get less loot from the delirium reward, or go fast to get maximum rewards and backtrack later to pick any drops; it was a choice between 2 choices that didn't feel good. I know nothing about the power creep, but what I hear from my friends who kept playing made cluster jewels sound incredibly busted.
@@Demilak Same. Quit before I reached the final act. I also don't think "buying" your skill tree is a good idea - yet alone when the prices will rise a lot thanks to delirium portals getting less frequent.
I still don't like clusters as a concept. You feel bad for utilizing them, because it takes valuable poitns from your main tree, which is way more fun to fill out, but you also feel bad for not using them since you lose so much power. My proposed solution to this is simle: separate level points and cluster points, like with Accendancy. Let every character start with, let's say, 5 cluster points, then every 10 levels or so you get an additional point. This will make cluster jewels accesible for every build without making them too OP
you should have turned off voices in poe.ninja passive tree to talk about delirium , it shows a little less of the usual herald path and looks more like the standard one, but you can still see that passive jewels are very present
@@june7053 but he says its not a problem because they're gonna get nerfed when going to core, and taking that into consideration voices would be less powerful because theres less stacking, so showing without it is a better representation, i think
great video and great content from you as always. Noob question, what are those things shooting the frost bolts? animate guardian? frost sentinels? slight confusion
I played a bleed EQ glad this league to lv 100 and for the stats I needed (life, block, attack speed), the regular tree was objectively better on a per-point basis.... no cluster jewels can beat the bottom left area of the tree for those stats, they require way too many points. I spent many hours in PoB while min-maxing, and the ONLY situation where clusters were better was stacking medium clusters on voices for pure damage. I agree with your proposed changes - it’s just the medium notable stacking that needs balancing.
Stopping stacking is a very bad solution imho. It kills much of the interesting part of building with them and there's many more non op builds that use various amounts of stacking in healthy ways. The problem are the few notables that are stupidly OP. Yes stacking is necessary to that OPness but the numbers they have on them are also insane. My point is nerf these few notables, buff a few medium to low ones and we're good. Accessibility should be WAY less than what we have now. That'll be enough to make builds that seriously need them to make actual commitments to it but mediocre ones will also be more used which is a good thing. I like the delirium mirror run and it won't be too oppressive at the usual 10% rate. At that point people that don't like it can skip it with not any feelbad. And remove corrupting blood immunity from jewel corruptions. It's a super "cheap" solution to the whole mechanic. Something like changing it to avoidance maybe would be better but then it may be even worse cause everyone would stack these. Maybe reduced bleed damage taken?
99.99% nothing will get buffed, except droprates maybe. Things only will get nerfed until GGG revisits it to maybe nerf more if it wasn't nerfed enough.
running an impale cyclone(champion) build as my main and hell the cluster add like 30%of my damage (overstatement but i did gain like 8-9K tooltip dps by spekking into a cluster)
Don't agree but I always seem to enjoy playing a build that is going to be nuked next league. There is a large opportunity cost in pathing to cluster jewels. Voices would be useless. I don't think there would be much use of 1 off nodes. My wet finger in the wind is feeling a limit of 4 so that you can stack something useful. The heralds are going to be nuked in other ways anyway.
Have to disagree on most points, delirium is something I really enjoy and I really like how it adds more potential difficulty to the game. That said though, I don't want a 10% mirror chance either, personally I love the mirror and the time based part of it but I would be totally fine with for example it just being orbs that let us do delirium as long as they make splinters drop together with the loot as I'm not gonna pick up 1 at a time. That's something I want for all those things though, any time you got multiple splinters appearing, be it from a breach boss or a legion chest they should drop in a stack. Now back on topic, cluster jewels are almost certainly staying but I would not mind them being unlinked from delirium and just made regular drops. I really don't want tthem to limit the notables though as there's a lot of interesting things you can do with it outside of the op things like heralds or warcries. For example I played viper strike pathfinder to 100 this league and I was using cluster jewels as a way to build up my defense through megalomaniacs with things like the increased max res and veteran's defender that gives you stats, res and defenses from shield. I think megalomaniac's are probably the best part as they are kind of like watcher's eyes but just with a lot more options, or like legion gems if you could actually see what they do without equipping. I would love if they became a lot more available actually, just so a lot more combinations are available. But yeah I guess I don't have an issue with the power creep, I like how investing into a character actually has a benefit now and I like how cluster jewels makes the skill tree a relevant part of your character progression rather than just a set path you figured out before you even started leveling the character. I've probably spend over 3k regrets this league trying out all kinds of ways to optimise my build and it's been a lot of fun. My own solution to the cluster jewels would just balance them individually if you have to and put a cap on how many of certain ones you can have, but don't just do it across the board as that would hurt a lot of builds that really didn't need to be. Or if you have to limit, set it to 2 or 3, not 1. Having it at one would be pretty punishing to players as it's likely you would end up with more than 1 of the same if you use two cluster setups, or even just by using some that have the same options on different types. For example flow of life can exist on both medium and small cluster jewels.
i made a badass cluster Jewell for my smite raider with a lot of pen and blind, saved me some points and was better than my other options on the trees. brought me to 2.3 mill dps
I have 2 major Problems with the Game in the current form. First thing is Performance. I feel like the last leagues have been rushed. I get it, the Game needs those Up and Down cycles of people that come back to the Game to keep the company financially lucrative. But for me the last leagues have been getin worse any time. My PC started to stutter like crazy when dilirium starts and i had so many freezes and crashes. And no, i have no potatoe pc. Why not give it more time, fill some races in, or make a legacy League again. To make a League playable from The start, not 2 month in. The second part and that is more the topic you discussed in this Video is, the implimentation of all the last leagues. For me it is just way too much. I know for some people it is cool to farm all the delphes and legions and blights and whatevers. I get frustrated by all that clusterfuck splinters and shit. Sooooo many items, i feel it is more a chore than a good thing to put Billion different parts of sets into Tabs. Man for me it is not fun, i feel like i play a loot Simulator and my Goal is, to put items in Tabs more efficiently. Wich leads me to the endgame and back to my first Point. The leagues seemed rushed. The simulacrum for example. This dude gets killed after 20 waves and laughes at you and thats it. I did that like one month into the game. For someone whos goal it is, to kill the endgame, this was shit contentwise. They should up the cycle and come up with leagues, wich have really good new endgame features.
I'd like to see it go Core. Had fun playing the League and Love the Delirium Orbs. I don't really care about the cluster jewels either way (didn't play a Herald build in the league).
deffinitly an interesting conversation. but i think cluster jewels shoudl be seperate from delirium, tonned down, and go core. but delirium itself is alot of +quant, difficulty and a ton of crap so i cant say for sure if it core worthy but i hope it all does. its stil lbee nalot of fun. and making clusters going hella good for my build i liked, its great.i disliek the excessive power creep, and love the amazing side spy for nicher builds. like getting max blcok easyer or buffing some utility unique opotinos
Talismans were corrupted amulets that originally dropped from influenced rare monsters in Talisman league. The tradeoff for being corrupted is they have implicit mods typically more powerful than regular amulets. In the actual league, you could collect 5 of them and drop them into a stone circle (that spawned in every area except Twilight Strand) to summon another rare monster that was possessed by a Tier 2 Talisman. If you got 5 Tier 2 Talismans in a circle you could sacrifice those to get a Tier 3 talisman. And then you could do 5 Tier 3 talismans to get the tier 4 Talisman which is called Greatwolf Talisman and it can have 2 implicits from any of the other talismans except for the socket implicit on Blackmaw. They haven't aged well. Neither the rare influence nor the stone circles were added to the base game so getting them through any means but Thane Jorgin means they're fully random tier and stats. And since they drop corrupted, they can't be anointed. They also can't have any Shaper, Elder, or Conqueror influence. It's really sad to look at them now.
if cluster jewels were not going core. their would be a lot of love lost from the majority of the community and infact. the over all player numbers imo would be down just due to them being gone. anything fun needs to stay. that said..... i think it would be smart if they didn't stack. it's kinda like being able to stack golem's blood 15 times. seems broken.
I agree with nerfing the OP stuff and making clusters not stack, but if clusters not go core I will be way less inclined to play any league from now on. Running around in HC with level 23 purity auras and 120% aura effect, cannot go back from that.
I love everything in delirium except the actual gameplay mechanic. It just makes it annoying trying to loot or interact with other league mechanics in maps. I actually like the idea of cluster notable stacking, it just needs balanced.
No stacking on notables - yes! but pls lemme stack notables from Small Clusters, they give just es/mana/life etc. ( ofc i just wanna stack enough pure commander 6 times to get 90% all res from purities xD )
or....and hear me out now what if they just remove/nerf voices since it seems to be the only thing that makes builds like warcry node stacking and herald stacking viable? I dont want to see cluster node stacking get removed because in most of the builds i've played only 1/2 nodes are good and getting rid of stacking will make it pointless to get clusters altogether. Also to everyone saying purposeful harbinger is broken - No, voices is. Its way too efficient and should'nt have been added in the first place. Rant over
i also agree alot with ur solution should it go core. tho i really have found alot of really fun and not all that powerful ways of stacking some unique notables for reall fun builds. i agree there shoudl be a stacking limit of like maybe 3 of a specific notable, and only 2 for specific small cluster only notables. but 1 notable isnt good enough unless they retune alot of the weaker ones which you did say. theyd have to rebalance alot of them that were made with stacking in mind which im perfectly fine with. deep cuts could just be +3 and that be all i need hehe. jk jk i actualy just mess around with block stuff
I think cluster jewels are great but they should drop from all map bosses and things like other league mechanics and just do away with delirium fog, I hate the fog.
My favorite nerf option has always been "You can only have one copy of any notable allocated." That leaves in interesting interactions but nerfs meta jewel stacking. EDIT: This would actually add in some interesting new options if some notable on clusters were copies of ones found on the tree. Imagine if you actually had the option of pathing to Freedom of Movement (or whatever you want) or trying to get it on a closer cluster.
When I first saw cluster jewels I assumed nodes couldn't stack with each other, because it is the most logical thing to assume... I agree with your solution to make them unstackable, You can make a 4 Deep Cuts Champion with 200% life easily, over 3 million shaper DPS in a NO CRIT BUILD! lul
3 milion shaper dps isn't that huge currently. A tanky Hollow palm gets that easily, a 4k life zerker gets 6m There are quite a few ee builds that get 3-6M dps
@@satibel ok, but you dont need more damage than this, and because it's a non crit build, it becomes way easier to build and equip, you just need life, added phys and resists... 7k+ life with 30% fortify, armor and so on... squishy melee build like those you mentioned, requires A LOT of investment to stat with, and until then, you gonna die like no tomorrow!
I wish cluster jewels wouldn't go core. It's killing theorycrafting and they are way too overpowered. It also feels like you can't make a decent build anymore without someone saying "it would be better with clusters". All previous leagues brought items that could improve a build, not make it entirely. If you use 2 cluster jewels, and stack them like 1 large, 2 medium, 2 small, you spent roughly half of your passives points in cluster jewels. The usual tree was better because you had to find a way to spend points in a clever way and optimize your tree to make the best build possible. And nodes from the tree had different purpose depending on the skills. Now with cluster jewels, you can select nodes specific to a skill. Like for herald of agony, you literally nodes that just raise the number of virulence you can have. Cluster jewels ruined theorycrafting, and with them, the only thing left to do in PoE in farming maps, you don't even have to think of a build anymore, just take cluster jewels for your main skill and stack as much as you can.
On Powercreep: Aren't you forgetting that removing the powercreep will not increase the build variety in any way. More the other way around, when the develops try to remove the Powercreep in making the game harder, for example, it will push more players to the most optimal builds because less and less builds become viable the harder the game gets. Cluster jewels for example are a perfect way to improve mediocre builds that lack Damage or Defenses that they can't get anywhere else. The heat Map is a Strong point against the cluster Jewels and i really can see that GGG has the same fear that the iconic Passive tree gets trivialized with them in the game. But the whole idea of building your own skill tree with items that drop and can be crafted is genius and on a really mad and hypothetical note: Maybe we should just move on from the old Tree and reinvent PoE with a "build-you-own-tree" from jewels feature. Back to Topic: To be honest PoE in the last 5 Leagues where always heavy on the Meta Gameplay. Most leagues had Builds that where overplayed heavy by 50% to 80%. Just removing cluster jewels will not change the game and increase the build variety. Now you cry Wulf over Cluster Jewels. Next league you will cry over Unique merging or what ever the new Mechanic will be that elevates one Build over the others. But yes i also think the Notables of cluster jewels will be capped to 1. And i think Cluster Jewels are a really awesome idea, it brings out the best part of PoE more choices and decisions how to build your character and make it truly unique. And should be developed further and integrated inside the core game.
should delirium go core? FUCK NO. and cluster jewels should be ditched altogether - not just nerfed, but ditched completely. otherwise, just get good multi-jewel-able cluster jewels, and take the scion life wheel. build diversity - yay! (?)
hmm tbh i would not mind delirium going away, the only thing i liked on this league was simulacrum and for the most part i was buying them because the mirrors was annoying. I just don't like the mechanics that want me to rush the whole map like a maniac i tend to play at my pace i like it that way. Normally league mechanics are fine because they force me to go fast just for a moment and than i can go back to enjoying myself, mirrors wanted me to go fast whole map each and every map ..... not that i can't do that .... i just don't enjoy to play that way. And btw even when going at my pace and with minimal engagegement with clusters i had no issues this league ........ could I do better if pushed myself .... yes, very yes ..... but would that be fun for me...... nope, not even a little bit.And please don't go on me with effciency things and so on, i am playing poe for a long long time and I tried to push it a few times ..... always ends the same I have league that i do very very welll but I have 0 fun while doing it and i can't play next league or two because of how annoying is for me to rush like an maniac......
remove timed mexhanics is what i want . then limit the use of some of the op mods . like for ezample unnatural instinct jewel is limited to one for build . same should be done to these new jewels speciall the megalos
I had about 5k hours on PoE. Delirium made me quit, after 3 weeks in. Clusters jewels are OP, and on-death mobs mechanics are trash. 100% bullshit league.
Ditto, a daily player for over 6 years now and I played maybe 3 weeks of this league. The meta was super garbage and every simple minded sheep shit hopped on it. There was really TOO many monsters and too much loot almost. Even with 40% delirious maps, juice em up with the normal method and you were just literally non stop clashing into mobs every foot of the way with little investemtn, and I say little because every mechanic now just shits out tons of rewards left and right. It wasn't fun and it wasn't going to be fun the rest of the league.
Dang i started playing in this league sou i cant say much or anything i just wanted to ask really? For you guys delirium is dropping to much loot? 😂 man im struggling to get some good currency on this league i cant imagine the rest of the league would have been even harder holy crap 😂 again i know that the fact im a noob at the game has alot of factors to it but them 😂 i honestly don’t mind delirium the only complain i have is that is buggy as hell they should fix that.
@@julianrangel2774 same here, started playing this league, and cant imagine having to farm even more to get same currency. For me the game must be fun, have some variety, and sincerely, dont take 100h for me tô complete my build
Aside from the ladder guys i saw a lot of new and old builds emerge from the clusters jewels, i never saw so many builds that can do all content in a single league.
Thoughts on Delirium mirrors and timers:
I hate the timed mechanic with a passion so I want to see it obliterated. A mechanic that rewards more total loot rather than just faster loot like everything else except Timeless Domain (which thankfully got nerfed) needs to be murdered if at all possible. It results in an even greater disparity between fast and slow builds and the game cannot keep pushing that.
Thoughts on the Delirium mechanic itself:
I'm good with Delirium orbs since they mean you can take your time with the map. If the orbs don't stay then I would like to see Delirium as sextant mods, scarabs (with tiers being 20%, 60%, and 100%), or similar things that are easily accessible. Absolutely do not only tie it to a unique map because unique maps have such shit drop rates and Delirium deserves better than that. If we got the option to walk into a Delirium mirror right at the start of a map (as in within the screen of the portal!) at 10% or something I can do that too.
Thoughts on cluster jewel accessibility:
So long as the timed part of Delirium no longer exists and Delirium was something we could commonly access, I could accept cluster jewels only dropping from Delirium. I would still prefer them to not be coupled to Delirium at all except maybe certain unique ones like Megalomaniac or Voices.
Thoughts on cluster jewel power:
Part of me wants them able to still stack because it allows for some very oddball non-meta (and also not actually all that powerful) builds, but I also realize if they're allowed to stack then it's actually a balancing nightmare and some nodes must be tuned with severe stacking in mind. I'm expecting them to not stack but hoping they are able to so I can make some silly but not powerful builds.
I think the best thing GGG could do here is to scrap delirium mirrors entirely and just have delirium accessible through delirium orbs. They would have to have cluster jewels as a normal drop that is no longer gated behind delirium.
this. Or delirium currency to make delirium maps. but no more time attack bullshit :D
This is NOT a bald guardian head :angry:
shut up epsi
My thought on Cluster Jewels is to limit the number you can have in your build. If you socket a cluster jewel into your passive tree, all other outer jewel sockets get transformed into regular jewel sockets and prevent the equipping of cluster jewels (medium and small sockets granted by cluster jewels still work, tho). This means you can only have 1 chain, which will still be extremely powerful, but now you're actually forced to interact with the base tree a bit more.
I definitely would just skip delirium mirrors if it went core.
Edit: I agree with scrapping delirium.
But yeah at least cluster jewels are going core.
yeah to problem is that clusters will probbably only drop from delirium so, so fuck ssf people who didn't like delirium i guess
Although part of me wishes they keep notable stacking for more niche builds the cost of feeling compelled to always build trees with the same best notables is probably too high for it to be worth trying to keep. Solid vid, think you make some real good points.
Having the mirror at 10% would be boring to say the least, but keeping orbs of delirium would be neat as once in a while you collect and use em how you feel comfortable and run a map at a whole different experience sort of like blighted maps in a way.
Funny, I was actually thinking to the same problem, and I came to the same conclusions. However, i would allow cluster passive to stack up to 3 times, or something like that, because on the upside there is also the fact that their stacking has made some combinations viable, where they previously were not. Also, I would say that power creep is a plague common to today's ... People/games design (?!) As i personally experienced it in other games as well... "Why crowd control / defend when you can kill them first" is a sad mantra.
I think notable stacking should stay, but have some notables limited to 1 or limited to 2.
Because some notables are fine as a 4 of but pretty meh if you don't stack them.
So I think there are multiple options:
1- make the problematic notables limited and keep stacking
2- make all jewels not stackable but offer more similar options to lower powered passives that are fine to stack.
Imo stacking builds are fine as long as they are an option and not too broken.
I don't mind cluster jewels being a thing you get if you want to push your character
Tier 16+3 5 delirium maps exist, so I like that I can still push what I can do when I faceroll T16 maps.
I dont care much for cluster but the delirium mirror and mobs make maps fun, they seem so empty when i dont go through the mirror
For me, I play a lot of standard and played Delirium only to get my main stronger.
And without new ways to get clusters I would play in cesspool of busted mechanics, also clusters are a lot of fun.
So just nerf the shit out of them to make them optional.
If Delirium goes core it would mean you either abuse clusters and cluster oriented builds or bust. It inflated market prices to oblivion an led to an unforeseen amount of power creep in ONE league.
Removing cluster notable stacking is probably the easiest and most effective fix, but inte shouldn't be the only thing.
I'm worried over the overall rarity of cluster jewels. 8 passive jewels are pretty rare even in Delirium league and with all the different types getting the right one will be hell unless changes are made. I'm guessing there will be some kind of guarantied jewel drop every delirium encounter if you reach some arbitrary reward tier and if delirium orbs are able to drop from other sources that might be enough
i think clusters are kinda cool but definitely need to be changed to not stack the same notables, also i feel like they should to make the keystones (besides hollow palm) more tempting to use
Many notables are only alright with stacking, It's the few ones that messed everything up. Large clusters are awful if not for the ability to get 2 mediums ;p
I do not agree with scraping, but I do agree with all your points as a alternative. I was theorycrafting in PoB with clusters and my self-proclaimed rule (no stacking), and it is cool. I think that it would be for the best
I think that limiting notables to 1 is not the way to go. Diminishing returns would be way better. Like first notable will work at 100%, seconds at like 60% and so on. It would answer some of the problems with voices stacking while not make some others that require 2 or 3 notables to work completely useless
"Just think about the last time you were excited to see talismans drop"
I wasn't even excited for talismans dropping in talisman league.
I also hope that cluster jewels will not be a delirium specific drop. I like sim because it is easy to understand and easy to keep spam. Does not require much setup. And the reward is plentyful.
I don't know what to say here.
Dilirium is the first keshe that I got both of my characters 90+ levels. I got crap ton of currencies, and enjoyed the game pretty much.
On the other hand, herald stacking became quite OP.
But I did like the fact that I can stack the notables. So, in other words, you can indulge yourself on notable stacking or you can path properly, like we used to.
Cluster Jewels are the biggest addition to the game since ascendancies, of course they will go core. Not least because they will continue to exist in standard anyway. Stacking should be disabled as it should have been to begin with.
But Delirium as a mechanic should go, it's just too absurd compared to anything else, particularly the amount of mobs and all that comes with it, lag, clutter and loot, not the mention the spawn-in and constant gray fog covering everything get really tedious after some time. Of course the extreme imbalance between maps is a big issue, but that could be fixed. However, if a single mechanic is so ridiculously rewarding that after your 'run' ends, it is better to immediately leave the map, no matter what is left, even if it's a Cassia, two abysses and five breaches, you know something's way off.
On a positive note, I will mention that after the customary week two patch, the secondary effects (explosions, ground effects, meteors etc.) are actually quite well balanced. The telegraphing is good, the damage is fair, and they spawn near you while giving you enough time to react, as opposed to Legion, which with its off-screen one-shots is still the worst-balanced mechanic in the game in my opinion.
I think that stacking cluster jewels or only allowing 1 cluster jewel tree will happen.
I agree with most stuff on the video, i hugely dislike the mist mechanic, although don't mind it having a 10% spawn on maps, i would also like other ways to get jewels but even then, also don't mind much, i could just trade for them. As long as they make so the cluster jewels don't stack, which i feel is going to be the case ill be happy.
Building on the stacking limit idea: introduce uniques which increase the maximum notable count, like totems or spectres. ("+1 to maximum number of allocated notables") That way, the tradeoff is tied to using that unique - minmaxing can't be done on a full set of rares - and it allows the possibility of a notable focused ascendancy that doesn't offer much in the way of additional power but gives the flexibility of using more notables.
Additionally, or instead of this; you could build the cluster sockets into themed uniques (like abyss jewels) so that you have to commit pretty hard to it to go beyond a standard number.
I'm more than fine with all the power creep as long as they keep doubling down on making the content challenging enough.
I'd change "making the content challenging enough" to "making challenging content" or "give ways to make the content challenging"
Imo that's where delirium shines, the orbs make maps much harder and rewarding, without making the base game harder.
Well, the whole point behind redoing the sockets on gear, with us being able to have something like eight 6-links in PoE 2, it's because they said we'll need the power for the content we'll be facing.
I was thinking if delirium went core to make it downgraded by removing voices and large clusters
I want only the fog guy to go core because of lore and his sarcastic nature. Maybe we can get him as a pantheon to reduce damage taken while in the fog or something.
I agree about not wanting delirium to go core, while I had a fun time this league, delirium as a mechanic wasn't fun for me, I also think that if cluster jewels were to stay then I think instead of removing stacking just limit it to one cluster tree like how you can only have one timeless jewel or watchers eye that way you could still use stuff like voices and stack some good medium and small cluster jewel notables but it wouldn't be as broken as it is now.
you're probably right !
Good ideas :) I agree with you about Delirium, especially the cluster jewels...
What do you think about the cluster of health that *everyone* takes? I'm kind of tired of *almost always* having to take it, but it's nice to have them in a cluster I guess.
Why not just limit large cluster jewels to socketing no more than 1 in your tree, like some of the other jewels.
I definitely think that notables should be limited to one. I like cluster jewels but they are hugely overpowered.
Look, 4.0 is next door and i suppose they will have to somehow delete the power creep.
Thanks for the exceptional discussion Nathan! Synthesis crafting is still missed. I want a rare item sync again!
Just because not using cluster jewels isn't *efficient* doesn't mean that yhe build outright sucks for it.
The issue is access, not the power of the jewels. I'd say there are a good third of builds that don't really get all that much for a set of cluster jewels, or if they do the currency involved is simply too steep for many to justify stacking. I'd argue that cluster jewels offer a huge increase in diversity and not pigeon holing. However, I feel the main issue is that PoE is getting popular, and the uber currency players using stacking builds are warping the game far more than delerium has. Now I do agree with performance issues, but harping on them before we know what's going to happen is pointless really.
I feel very much the same on practically all of your points. I think that one of the things that kills build diversity most is the fact that you can stack the same notable as much as you have passive points for.
Honestly I think they can keep delirium orbs and get rid of mirrors, then add more small nodes to all cluster jewels. That's all they need to fix.
Cluster jewels just aren't that strong for MOST builds. Subtracting a few archetypes, unless the cluster gives you something unique, like "fire damage burns x faster", which you cannot get on the tree, they are just "pay to get 10 percent more" types of things.
dislike the delirium mirror, but love the cluster jewel
You want talisman to be attractiv again? make them anointable.
i only play in standard but did take the opportunity to scoop up those early cluster jewels, still havent used them mind, they could help stop the insane squishyness of my current build a CoC shadow assassin
Cluster jewels should go core and let em stack. Just tune the busted ones more carefully.
they laughed at diablo 3 and simplicity
now they stack cluster jewels... xD
i think the only thing about delirium that should go core are simulacrums and clusters, idk how u would loot simulacrums but the mirrors give too much drop imo
I think Delirium should and will stay but I also agree with your suggestions. I like the cluster jewels but I really don't care for the insanity of jumping through the mirror, not being able to clearly see my path (a complaint I had about Metamorph), and chaotically killing as much as possible with no time to strategize.
Yes, current POE players are actually Beta testers for POE2. I totally agree with everything in this video. Hope to see cluster jewel notables limited time either one or at max two.
Heraldry being 60% of heatmap entries just makes the heat map comparison not useful, you could absolutely find it's completely reasonable variance wise with heraldry builds nerfed
What worries me is new players, since they are balancing arround top tier players, the frustration can hurt the retention of new players :(
Also I agree 100% with the idea of not making notables stackeable and buff some of them.
As a long time casual player of PoE, Delirium was my least favorite league by far. I quit it before I even got to mapping. The terrible FPS, the gray-on-gray-on-gray literally made my eyes hurt, and the different mob types were just obnoxious imo. The tanky type taking several hits to kill, and the ones that cast arc just did way too much damage for an attack that couldn't be dodged. Having to choose to stop and loot now and get less loot from the delirium reward, or go fast to get maximum rewards and backtrack later to pick any drops; it was a choice between 2 choices that didn't feel good.
I know nothing about the power creep, but what I hear from my friends who kept playing made cluster jewels sound incredibly busted.
@@Demilak Same. Quit before I reached the final act. I also don't think "buying" your skill tree is a good idea - yet alone when the prices will rise a lot thanks to delirium portals getting less frequent.
I still don't like clusters as a concept. You feel bad for utilizing them, because it takes valuable poitns from your main tree, which is way more fun to fill out, but you also feel bad for not using them since you lose so much power. My proposed solution to this is simle: separate level points and cluster points, like with Accendancy. Let every character start with, let's say, 5 cluster points, then every 10 levels or so you get an additional point. This will make cluster jewels accesible for every build without making them too OP
Agreeing 100%
you should have turned off voices in poe.ninja passive tree to talk about delirium , it shows a little less of the usual herald path and looks more like the standard one, but you can still see that passive jewels are very present
voices is an important factor in the point he was making, the one that cluster jewels are killing build diversity because they are so powerful.
@@june7053 but he says its not a problem because they're gonna get nerfed when going to core, and taking that into consideration voices would be less powerful because theres less stacking, so showing without it is a better representation, i think
great video and great content from you as always. Noob question, what are those things shooting the frost bolts? animate guardian? frost sentinels? slight confusion
Yes I have a half decent pc but the lag from fog made me quite 1.5 months in not worth keeping. Plus it makes me concern for poe2
I played a bleed EQ glad this league to lv 100 and for the stats I needed (life, block, attack speed), the regular tree was objectively better on a per-point basis.... no cluster jewels can beat the bottom left area of the tree for those stats, they require way too many points. I spent many hours in PoB while min-maxing, and the ONLY situation where clusters were better was stacking medium clusters on voices for pure damage. I agree with your proposed changes - it’s just the medium notable stacking that needs balancing.
I just wish so many of the minion notables weren't locked to specific gems.
Stopping stacking is a very bad solution imho. It kills much of the interesting part of building with them and there's many more non op builds that use various amounts of stacking in healthy ways. The problem are the few notables that are stupidly OP. Yes stacking is necessary to that OPness but the numbers they have on them are also insane. My point is nerf these few notables, buff a few medium to low ones and we're good.
Accessibility should be WAY less than what we have now. That'll be enough to make builds that seriously need them to make actual commitments to it but mediocre ones will also be more used which is a good thing.
I like the delirium mirror run and it won't be too oppressive at the usual 10% rate. At that point people that don't like it can skip it with not any feelbad.
And remove corrupting blood immunity from jewel corruptions. It's a super "cheap" solution to the whole mechanic. Something like changing it to avoidance maybe would be better but then it may be even worse cause everyone would stack these. Maybe reduced bleed damage taken?
To be fair at least you can get alterations from talismans
99.99% nothing will get buffed, except droprates maybe. Things only will get nerfed until GGG revisits it to maybe nerf more if it wasn't nerfed enough.
Cluster jewels = ok
Mechanics = noty gl
Agree
Can I even use cluster jewels when critical strike chance is my only problem? is it worth unallocating 2 nodes to get one cluster jewel node for crit?
running an impale cyclone(champion) build as my main and hell the cluster add like 30%of my damage (overstatement but i did gain like 8-9K tooltip dps by spekking into a cluster)
Don't agree but I always seem to enjoy playing a build that is going to be nuked next league. There is a large opportunity cost in pathing to cluster jewels. Voices would be useless. I don't think there would be much use of 1 off nodes. My wet finger in the wind is feeling a limit of 4 so that you can stack something useful. The heralds are going to be nuked in other ways anyway.
Have to disagree on most points, delirium is something I really enjoy and I really like how it adds more potential difficulty to the game. That said though, I don't want a 10% mirror chance either, personally I love the mirror and the time based part of it but I would be totally fine with for example it just being orbs that let us do delirium as long as they make splinters drop together with the loot as I'm not gonna pick up 1 at a time. That's something I want for all those things though, any time you got multiple splinters appearing, be it from a breach boss or a legion chest they should drop in a stack.
Now back on topic, cluster jewels are almost certainly staying but I would not mind them being unlinked from delirium and just made regular drops. I really don't want tthem to limit the notables though as there's a lot of interesting things you can do with it outside of the op things like heralds or warcries. For example I played viper strike pathfinder to 100 this league and I was using cluster jewels as a way to build up my defense through megalomaniacs with things like the increased max res and veteran's defender that gives you stats, res and defenses from shield. I think megalomaniac's are probably the best part as they are kind of like watcher's eyes but just with a lot more options, or like legion gems if you could actually see what they do without equipping. I would love if they became a lot more available actually, just so a lot more combinations are available.
But yeah I guess I don't have an issue with the power creep, I like how investing into a character actually has a benefit now and I like how cluster jewels makes the skill tree a relevant part of your character progression rather than just a set path you figured out before you even started leveling the character. I've probably spend over 3k regrets this league trying out all kinds of ways to optimise my build and it's been a lot of fun.
My own solution to the cluster jewels would just balance them individually if you have to and put a cap on how many of certain ones you can have, but don't just do it across the board as that would hurt a lot of builds that really didn't need to be. Or if you have to limit, set it to 2 or 3, not 1. Having it at one would be pretty punishing to players as it's likely you would end up with more than 1 of the same if you use two cluster setups, or even just by using some that have the same options on different types. For example flow of life can exist on both medium and small cluster jewels.
i made a badass cluster Jewell for my smite raider with a lot of pen and blind, saved me some points and was better than my other options on the trees. brought me to 2.3 mill dps
Can i have your pob ?
I have 2 major Problems with the Game in the current form. First thing is Performance. I feel like the last leagues have been rushed. I get it, the Game needs those Up and Down cycles of people that come back to the Game to keep the company financially lucrative. But for me the last leagues have been getin worse any time. My PC started to stutter like crazy when dilirium starts and i had so many freezes and crashes. And no, i have no potatoe pc. Why not give it more time, fill some races in, or make a legacy League again. To make a League playable from The start, not 2 month in. The second part and that is more the topic you discussed in this Video is, the implimentation of all the last leagues. For me it is just way too much. I know for some people it is cool to farm all the delphes and legions and blights and whatevers. I get frustrated by all that clusterfuck splinters and shit. Sooooo many items, i feel it is more a chore than a good thing to put Billion different parts of sets into Tabs. Man for me it is not fun, i feel like i play a loot Simulator and my Goal is, to put items in Tabs more efficiently. Wich leads me to the endgame and back to my first Point. The leagues seemed rushed. The simulacrum for example. This dude gets killed after 20 waves and laughes at you and thats it. I did that like one month into the game. For someone whos goal it is, to kill the endgame, this was shit contentwise. They should up the cycle and come up with leagues, wich have really good new endgame features.
I'd like to see it go Core. Had fun playing the League and Love the Delirium Orbs. I don't really care about the cluster jewels either way (didn't play a Herald build in the league).
deffinitly an interesting conversation. but i think cluster jewels shoudl be seperate from delirium, tonned down, and go core. but delirium itself is alot of +quant, difficulty and a ton of crap so i cant say for sure if it core worthy but i hope it all does. its stil lbee nalot of fun. and making clusters going hella good for my build i liked, its great.i disliek the excessive power creep, and love the amazing side spy for nicher builds. like getting max blcok easyer or buffing some utility unique opotinos
I've only been playing since Blight, what's a Talisman?
99% of the time, vendor trash. (seriously, they're a remnant from the talisman league, but essentially they're corrupted specialty amulets.)
Talismans were corrupted amulets that originally dropped from influenced rare monsters in Talisman league. The tradeoff for being corrupted is they have implicit mods typically more powerful than regular amulets.
In the actual league, you could collect 5 of them and drop them into a stone circle (that spawned in every area except Twilight Strand) to summon another rare monster that was possessed by a Tier 2 Talisman. If you got 5 Tier 2 Talismans in a circle you could sacrifice those to get a Tier 3 talisman. And then you could do 5 Tier 3 talismans to get the tier 4 Talisman which is called Greatwolf Talisman and it can have 2 implicits from any of the other talismans except for the socket implicit on Blackmaw.
They haven't aged well. Neither the rare influence nor the stone circles were added to the base game so getting them through any means but Thane Jorgin means they're fully random tier and stats. And since they drop corrupted, they can't be anointed. They also can't have any Shaper, Elder, or Conqueror influence.
It's really sad to look at them now.
Vendor trash these days, a relic of simpler times. Move along...
if cluster jewels were not going core. their would be a lot of love lost from the majority of the community and infact. the over all player numbers imo would be down just due to them being gone. anything fun needs to stay. that said..... i think it would be smart if they didn't stack. it's kinda like being able to stack golem's blood 15 times. seems broken.
I agree with nerfing the OP stuff and making clusters not stack, but if clusters not go core I will be way less inclined to play any league from now on.
Running around in HC with level 23 purity auras and 120% aura effect, cannot go back from that.
Too many 10% encounters atm, needa cut some
I've been saying they should scrap delirium as a core mechanic for months. I think there are more people than you think that feel the same way.
I love everything in delirium except the actual gameplay mechanic. It just makes it annoying trying to loot or interact with other league mechanics in maps. I actually like the idea of cluster notable stacking, it just needs balanced.
No stacking on notables - yes! but pls lemme stack notables from Small Clusters, they give just es/mana/life etc. ( ofc i just wanna stack enough pure commander 6 times to get 90% all res from purities xD )
or....and hear me out now
what if they just remove/nerf voices since it seems to be the only thing that makes builds like warcry node stacking and herald stacking viable? I dont want to see cluster node stacking get removed because in most of the builds i've played only 1/2 nodes are good and getting rid of stacking will make it pointless to get clusters altogether. Also to everyone saying purposeful harbinger is broken - No, voices is. Its way too efficient and should'nt have been added in the first place. Rant over
i also agree alot with ur solution should it go core. tho i really have found alot of really fun and not all that powerful ways of stacking some unique notables for reall fun builds. i agree there shoudl be a stacking limit of like maybe 3 of a specific notable, and only 2 for specific small cluster only notables. but 1 notable isnt good enough unless they retune alot of the weaker ones which you did say. theyd have to rebalance alot of them that were made with stacking in mind which im perfectly fine with. deep cuts could just be +3 and that be all i need hehe. jk jk i actualy just mess around with block stuff
I think cluster jewels are great but they should drop from all map bosses and things like other league mechanics and just do away with delirium fog, I hate the fog.
I don't get why you'd even need power creep in a game that completely resets every three months.
My favorite nerf option has always been "You can only have one copy of any notable allocated." That leaves in interesting interactions but nerfs meta jewel stacking.
EDIT: This would actually add in some interesting new options if some notable on clusters were copies of ones found on the tree. Imagine if you actually had the option of pathing to Freedom of Movement (or whatever you want) or trying to get it on a closer cluster.
Absolutely not. This is the worst league to me so far, since the beginning. I quit playing weeks ago.
1st. Remove stacking cluster jewels. Its a must.
2nd. Let medium and small cluster can be socketed in the inner sockets on the tree
When I first saw cluster jewels I assumed nodes couldn't stack with each other, because it is the most logical thing to assume...
I agree with your solution to make them unstackable, You can make a 4 Deep Cuts Champion with 200% life easily, over 3 million shaper DPS in a NO CRIT BUILD! lul
3 milion shaper dps isn't that huge currently.
A tanky Hollow palm gets that easily, a 4k life zerker gets 6m
There are quite a few ee builds that get 3-6M dps
@@satibel ok, but you dont need more damage than this, and because it's a non crit build, it becomes way easier to build and equip, you just need life, added phys and resists... 7k+ life with 30% fortify, armor and so on... squishy melee build like those you mentioned, requires A LOT of investment to stat with, and until then, you gonna die like no tomorrow!
imo they should cycle leagues. have a few previous mechanics active per league but not EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME
Keep Delirium Orbs and scatter them throughout.
I dont look forward to shoving all those orbs in some random tab though :/
I wish cluster jewels wouldn't go core. It's killing theorycrafting and they are way too overpowered. It also feels like you can't make a decent build anymore without someone saying "it would be better with clusters". All previous leagues brought items that could improve a build, not make it entirely. If you use 2 cluster jewels, and stack them like 1 large, 2 medium, 2 small, you spent roughly half of your passives points in cluster jewels. The usual tree was better because you had to find a way to spend points in a clever way and optimize your tree to make the best build possible. And nodes from the tree had different purpose depending on the skills. Now with cluster jewels, you can select nodes specific to a skill. Like for herald of agony, you literally nodes that just raise the number of virulence you can have.
Cluster jewels ruined theorycrafting, and with them, the only thing left to do in PoE in farming maps, you don't even have to think of a build anymore, just take cluster jewels for your main skill and stack as much as you can.
On Powercreep: Aren't you forgetting that removing the powercreep will not increase the build variety in any way. More the other way around, when the develops try to remove the Powercreep in making the game harder, for example, it will push more players to the most optimal builds because less and less builds become viable the harder the game gets.
Cluster jewels for example are a perfect way to improve mediocre builds that lack Damage or Defenses that they can't get anywhere else.
The heat Map is a Strong point against the cluster Jewels and i really can see that GGG has the same fear that the iconic Passive tree gets trivialized with them in the game. But the whole idea of building your own skill tree with items that drop and can be crafted is genius and on a really mad and hypothetical note: Maybe we should just move on from the old Tree and reinvent PoE with a "build-you-own-tree" from jewels feature.
Back to Topic: To be honest PoE in the last 5 Leagues where always heavy on the Meta Gameplay. Most leagues had Builds that where overplayed heavy by 50% to 80%. Just removing cluster jewels will not change the game and increase the build variety. Now you cry Wulf over Cluster Jewels. Next league you will cry over Unique merging or what ever the new Mechanic will be that elevates one Build over the others.
But yes i also think the Notables of cluster jewels will be capped to 1. And i think Cluster Jewels are a really awesome idea, it brings out the best part of PoE more choices and decisions how to build your character and make it truly unique. And should be developed further and integrated inside the core game.
should delirium go core? FUCK NO. and cluster jewels should be ditched altogether - not just nerfed, but ditched completely. otherwise, just get good multi-jewel-able cluster jewels, and take the scion life wheel. build diversity - yay! (?)
hmm tbh i would not mind delirium going away, the only thing i liked on this league was simulacrum and for the most part i was buying them because the mirrors was annoying. I just don't like the mechanics that want me to rush the whole map like a maniac i tend to play at my pace i like it that way. Normally league mechanics are fine because they force me to go fast just for a moment and than i can go back to enjoying myself, mirrors wanted me to go fast whole map each and every map ..... not that i can't do that .... i just don't enjoy to play that way. And btw even when going at my pace and with minimal engagegement with clusters i had no issues this league ........ could I do better if pushed myself .... yes, very yes ..... but would that be fun for me...... nope, not even a little bit.And please don't go on me with effciency things and so on, i am playing poe for a long long time and I tried to push it a few times ..... always ends the same I have league that i do very very welll but I have 0 fun while doing it and i can't play next league or two because of how annoying is for me to rush like an maniac......
I didn't like the mechanics. I did like clusters. I'm ok either way.
Screw delirium mirrors, I haven't touched poe since 2 weeks into this league they're so bad.
They were heavily improved after 2 weeks into the league. I wouldnt judge its current state just on the initial release
no
remove timed mexhanics is what i want . then limit the use of some of the op mods . like for ezample unnatural instinct jewel is limited to one for build . same should be done to these new jewels speciall the megalos
hope dilirium will be killed like my fps in it.
Are you seriously hating on Cluster Jewels?...
Yes, most fun league in a while.
I had about 5k hours on PoE. Delirium made me quit, after 3 weeks in. Clusters jewels are OP, and on-death mobs mechanics are trash. 100% bullshit league.
agreed. 8k hour player and i simply cannot bring myself to play the league. im just farming in stndrd atm. backtrack leagues are so cancer.
Ditto, a daily player for over 6 years now and I played maybe 3 weeks of this league. The meta was super garbage and every simple minded sheep shit hopped on it. There was really TOO many monsters and too much loot almost. Even with 40% delirious maps, juice em up with the normal method and you were just literally non stop clashing into mobs every foot of the way with little investemtn, and I say little because every mechanic now just shits out tons of rewards left and right. It wasn't fun and it wasn't going to be fun the rest of the league.
Dang i started playing in this league sou i cant say much or anything i just wanted to ask really? For you guys delirium is dropping to much loot? 😂 man im struggling to get some good currency on this league i cant imagine the rest of the league would have been even harder holy crap 😂 again i know that the fact im a noob at the game has alot of factors to it but them 😂 i honestly don’t mind delirium the only complain i have is that is buggy as hell they should fix that.
@@julianrangel2774 same here, started playing this league, and cant imagine having to farm even more to get same currency.
For me the game must be fun, have some variety, and sincerely, dont take 100h for me tô complete my build
I just feel like all played the herald build this league :( and its op af