Mcsqueegy And of course, he's right. I wasn't sure so I watch it in slow motion and it is clear that it bounced twice . I'm 100% sure. So Federer was right!!! Berdych is playing unfair!!!! It's awful. Firstly I thought that maybe Roger wasn't right , but I watched it in speed: 0,25 so veeery slow, and of course I see perfectly it bounced twice!!!!!
@huzzzer and what does that make of you and your presumption that the different reactions were all the same people? You painted a picture of fickle "cowards" and you labeled the crowd as a single entity. Generalizing sides only spoils you and the reality of the moment
"I agree, it was close, but the result was obvious that he didn't hit it the right way." You spend enough time on the internet and examples of disagreeing respectfully become few and far in between. This was a breath of fresh air.
Jesus, Federer is respectful. Not even arguing, just gives his explanation, listens to the Ump, and respects the call even though he knows he's right. That's some class.
I agree he was very respectful in this clip as he has been lately, but if you’re interested, check out “Federer raging moments” and you’ll see he hasnt always been this way lol
@@sarahg6551 The fact that you immediately made this into a gender thing when its not tells me you're not worth debating with. Any gender/race that did what Serena did is equally childish.
Despite the physics degree, the explanation from the commentators is not correct. Federer's intuition that it bounced is correct, but you can get topspin on it before it bounces if the racquet it moving upwards (especially if it hits that part of the frame), or get slice on it after it bounces. The difference is that the ball has far more *speed* if it bounces than if it only hits the racquet. Berdych didn't swing the racquet so there is no way the ball could come at Federer that fast if it didn't bounce. With that shot it likely wouldn't even make it over the net, especially if it had topspin.
@@AGAU1022 One commentator is right the other one doesn't seem to understand. The ball didn't bounce twice, it's on the return that the ball bounces off the wrong side of the court. 0:55 he's right.
EXPLANATION FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW WHATS GOING ON: Federer received the last ball in a "top spin" motion. That means the ball is spinning towards federer (from up to down). This move is amazing for making the ball accelerate on the court. The problem is that, in order to do this, the racket must hit the top of the ball to make it spin, so it cannot make the ball move upwards (↑) . If you do this without having vertical force from down, the ball will hit the net. The fact that the ball went across the net in a top spin motion while hitting near the floor means that i had vertical force from elsewhere. Yes, that vertical force is the "bounce" from hitting the floor of the court. Thus the ball DID BOUNCE before or after the hit. It's amazing, however, that Federerer managed to analyze all this in a couple of seconds in a so secure way that he dared to tell to the referee :)
See how respectful he was? He knew he was right and the ref made a mistake, yet he was still polite and reasonable and dignified. That is what class looks like.
Guys, this is not ONLY about the top spin. It's 50% about the way Berdych hit the ball with the racket. Berdych could create top spin hitting the ball from the underside, but in order to do that he would've needed to "hit it the right way", as Federer said. Federer could clearly see that the way Berdych hit the ball wouldn't have caused that result. This is why he immediately knew the ball had hit the floor afterwards.
Shows how dedicated and professional the man is. He is not just playing tennis on the basis of talent and hard work, he is also fully informed on the technical ins & outs
@Krosis_ Absolutely but the way Federer plays and masters it, there needs to be atleast a smidge more technical awarness and proficency on his part than the others even at that level Because his game depends alot more on his technical abilities than his physical ones unlike for example a DelPotro or Nadal, although as you said they all are extremely knowledgable to get to that level
Not so much. It's just years of daily practice since a child, invariably he's going to understand what the ball is going to do with regards spin/slice etc and know what's possible. It's like saying darts players being brilliant at maths when in reality it's just pattern repetition
Reminds me of a Kobe Bryant story....he comes out for warmups, eyes the rim from about 50ft away, walks over, takes one jumper from midrange, walks over to the court maintenance guys, says "The rim's about an inch low".....rim was like 9'10&3/4". These guys are ELITE athletes, sure, but they are dialed in to within 2-3 planck lengths. Their perception levels are resting 11.
@Enowki Is not even close Federer is way better, there is no way of play more perfectly than that. The only player that is built for beat Federer is Nadal, but is not a better player I general just best fit against him. Left handed, his high bounce on his hits...
Like when I used the word “inventory” over here in Holland during English class and my Dutch born English teacher crossed it out with a red pen in a test saying “that word doesn’t exist. You made that up”. lol. Pathetic
Right Uppercut bruh I remember this one time I was in year 8 and my teacher asked a question and I answered it right but the teacher said it was wrong 😑
For those that are wondering, Federer made a comeback and eventually won the match with 3-6 7-5 7-5. Edit: Yes, I finally changed game to match, my bad 🤭
Reminds me of a documentary I saw a long time ago where they showed how normal people could barely even react to the serves professional make due to the speed. Normal folks only track the ball which, by the time you can react, is already past you. Pros on the the other hand, look at body position, racket angle, jump etc so that they're moving in the right direction/position even before ball leaves the racket. And that's how those crazy fast serves are successfully returned.
old post - but Ill add on that its the same in baseball. A fast ball thats travelling 95mph can get from pitchers mound to home in 0.4 seconds. Human reaction speed varies - but its a .25 seconds. Meaning you need to make a decision in less than .15 second AND act on it in the same time frame.. batters do that all the time. Don't forget too your actual perception is in the past as well, so your brain also tries to predict where the ball "should" be too. Its why sometimes you think you hit something, but you actually barely missed it.
But what the heck is the announcer saying by not a double bounce the ball was hit into the ground 1st that is not what we see on slow Mo even though the other commentator just goes along with his craziness
In tennis you have to observe how the ball behaves in different scenarios. Like if the ball is hit in a certain way or at a certain angle at a certain force, etc. These players can predict where the ball is going if they can know certain variables, having played tennis all their lives. The camera might not have captured it really well but Federer is clearly right on this one. He knows that if his life counted on it he can bet on it.
"Not a double bounce but the ball has hit down into the ground first and then it's coming up". Dude literally denies a double bounce and then explains that it did in fact bounce twice.
My man calmly, respectfully, and very intelligently argued his point. When the ref said it seemed as if his opponent barely caught it with the racket, he agreed it was close and so that was understandable but stood his ground. What a king, we love good sportsmanship.
He himself played a double bounce vs Murray in 2014 AO. He surely must have known it was double bounce , when he knows all that. Yet he didn’t concede the point
It just shows how knowledgeable a professional is at their sport. Took me a minute to realise what he was on about after watching it twice. He knew straight away in a split second that there was something wrong. Science
@@GholaTleilaxu That isn't what he was telling the umpire. He was pointing out the way the ball was spinning (and moving in general) was inconsistent with a ball that was weakly popped up just an inch from the ground, but was very consistent with one that was shorthopped just after it hit the ground. He may be the only one to explain it that way, but literally every single player on the tour (and most in colleges and even high schools...as long as they have been playing for most of their lives) would know it as well. The difference is night and day.
Technically he got the ball before it bounced twice, but the issue is his racket hit the ball into the ground, so the frame of the racket hit the ball into the ground and the ball bounced over the net. good on the anchor here for getting that
That was one of the classiest moments in sports. You know you've been cheated, there are a hundred cameras proving you've been cheated, but you play on without making a scene or having a tantrum.
Fun fact : Federer used to have a terrible attitude when he was younger, breaking rackets and throwing tantrums. I'm so glad that he made an 180 and is now one of the most respected tennis players.
Rewatching the point live it’s pretty cool to see 0:12 Berdychs return obviously went right to left meaning there is topspin on the ball. He caught the ball before the double bounce but after it hit his racket the ball hit the ground on his side of the court then went over the net creating the topspin. It makes sense Federer casually hit the ball back over the net thinking he clearly won the point despite Berdych smashing the volley winner. From our spectator angle as Fed says “result was obvious”
Aldozzy people did complain about it, especially nadal and novak. It's not about the color, some kind of salt that was specifically put on the blue clay make it slippery. Nadal, who i think is a very defensive player, obviously, didnt like that.
@@budgiebreder it is a clay court that's only been used once, but it wasn't made/looked after well. It hasn't been used again after its first appe at the tournament. there's a vid about it
Pay attention their feet and ull see how slippery blue clay is. Clay isnt supposed to be slippery its supposed to help a player to come to stop quickly
@@notsheram After top players complained about the clay's slipperiness and its dissimilarity with other courts, the blue clay was gone the next year(2013), Rafael Nadal, the dominant presence in Spanish tennis for more than a decade, had also complained about the court . And for this the blue clay is now believed to be extinct worldwide . And thats why i said Rip Madrid blie clay because its gone forever !
Now thats how you lose gracefully. Federer stated his argument and took the L without any attitude even tho he was right. Class is a rare thing these days but luckily we have Federer representing - a class act. Scored many points with me in that instance. Keep rockin it steady Roger.
RUclips algorithm has always intrigued me.. never googled about tennis, hardly ever talk about tennis, but I’m here watching about how Federer explains about balls bouncing twice. And... I’m glad I watched....
It shows you disposable stuff, mostly crap and TV shows, and buries things that are actually the product of effort, talent or real value. Just for one bit of info, a guy literally invented a working invisibility shield, no BS, and started posting about it last year. His videos have less than a thousand views and the algorithm won't show it. Look up "hyperstealth invisibility."
this happens often when an asian student comes to america, then the math teacher suddenly makes every question harder, and the asian student still thinks its easy and points out every mistake the math teacher did lmao
Every one who's been playing tennis (or any ball sport) for more than 15 days is an expert in tennis ball motion dynamics ... If you're not a complete moron. It's not rocket science, just watch what's going on. If your first instinctive reaction just now was : "Well, *I* am not an expert in tennis ball motion dynamics!" (implying that no one can be one) you know you fall in the moron category.
Sahm A Roger was totally right on that one. I slowed down the replay at 0:49 , it hit the ground and Berdych knew that but of course he's going to be a douche and not say anything.
@@joshbarrow8928 you say you have a life but not only did you reply to a youtube comment, you replied to a youtube comment within an hour of them commenting it. Some life you have there
Man was spitting hot fax and realised that putting to much care into it would ruin his gameplay so he just spat the fax and went back to playing. Amazing mentality.
Its more knowledge around the subject than science. He's experienced this many times and knows how a ball was hit depending on the spin and angle, it's more maths, too.
I dont think the the ball bounced twice and im sorry all you people and federer talking about how the science of the ball and that it did bounce twice are just ways to make it seem like he was cheated out. Like ya you can have a good feeling of how the ball works but your not a computer that can predict the trajectory, so no I dont believe he is right if you watch the video in 0.25 speed you can clearly see the ball touches the end of the racket and not the ground at all.
Jay Chung The whole Federer early prime was beating chumps and bums, right up until Nadal came and whipped his ass so bad he had to cry (look up it up there's evidence). Then came Djokovic who started beating them while they were BOTH still in their prime. Please...
Harry Templeman-Wright That's not true, of course prime Federer was beating the Djoker when he just arrived on tour with no expereience. Also he was weak and had breathing problems and in poor health. As soon as he fixed that, Federer was still in his prime and couldn't beat him. Stop it. Plus in 2011 and 2015 he had the most dominant years in the open era, not to mention he did it in an era with 2 of the top 5 players of all time in Federer and Nadal. Did I forget that he was the first player to hold all 4 grand slam titles since Rod Laver in the late 1960's.
Magyar19 This doesn't make him a genius and this isn't why he's the best. he's the best because of how he plays tennis. a lot of people would have picked up on this, particularly pro tennis players.
Bloody hell, I had to watch it on 0.25 speed twice before I could clearly see that the ball bounced twice and Federer knew from the spin of the return- the man’s a genius
He didn't know it from seeing it bounce twice. He knew it from the way the ball was spinning. It really isn't that hard to notice because there is a HUGE difference in popping it up weakly just before it hits the ground, and shorthopping it over. Most people who have played tennis even semi-regularly would see this.
I don’t play Tennis, and I don’t know this Federer man, and I can’t tell if everyone in the comments are simultaneously being sarcastic. I’m dumb please help what’s going on
Poor guy. Basically, Roger Federer, king of all things tennis, knows so much about the science of tennis. Like, basically almost everything. So when the other guy returned the ball in the last exchange, he saw how the ball moved, and he knew it could only be moved that way if it had already bounced twice. He appealed that to the guy who called the point against him, lost the appeal even though he was right with camera evidence, took it like a champ and didn't throw a fit, and then afterwords went on to prove his skill by winning the game
I am not disagreeing with all the fanboys here maybe something wrong with my eyes, but from the slow motion I don't see it hitting the ground. It is more liking the top spin was caused by the ball hitting the frame of the racket.
*Absolutely true.* Roger played a drop shot with an underspin the only way you can return an underspin is if you hit the ball with either topspin or underspin but berdych visibly just pushed the ball flat with his racket but still the ball made it across and suprisingly with top spin. That would only be possible if the ball is already dead meaning the ball bounced twice making whatever spin on the ball gone.
thanks for clarifying, yet the part where u say the only way to return an underspin is either another underspin (which I can picture happening) or a topspin, which is counter intuitive for a layman such as myself, can u explain? Wouldn't a topspin add more underspin making the ball go down?
@@tyroneloki5131 I heard you can’t review footage until after the call is made and refs rarely ever reverse a call even when it’s the wrong one that’s just how it is
@@JonYen69 because it slows down the game in a sport where 2+ hours are the norm and even then is not free from gross error. VAR in football is the biggest example. Regularly consumes about 5 mins of a 90 min game.
@@qiiBlackThunderiip let's just say that things look different from the chair than they do from the court. Is that too hard to understand? Players always have an inflated sense of their ability to officiate. It's a completely different skill set than playing.
Or maybe he knew that a judgement overuling what you saw vs what physics tell you "what probably happened" afterwards is a bad judgement...then again im no regular tennis watcher
He realises arguing with the ref will do his game mentality and focus no good so he tries to keep it to a minimum even though he knows he’s right. Waste no energy on what you can’t change.
I love sports that have the option to get 100% confirmation of what happened with cameras and still rely on human senses alone, allowing for human error. Imagine being in a lab and not using a balance because humans can measure just well enough without it.
If I hit the ball while it's bouncing of the floor, L might think I'm Kira, because I'm desperate. If I don't, he will deduct that I'm overcalculating, which means I'm Kira...
You don't need to see it to understand it. It's simply conservation of rotationary motion if you play any ball sport. Federer clearly sliced the ball. That's a fuck ton of spin. Bed bare reached it and was unable to generate power to counter the spin. The question is where did the rotationary momemtum of the ball go? The only explanation in that situation is the ground. Federer didn't "see" that. The umpire was even closer to the action. It's just Federer had a better understanding of rotational motion than the umpire
It was impossible for the umpire to see. The umpire is not a physicist with knowledge of ball spin, energy transference, etc. Berdych likely did not know the ball bounced twice.
I shall agree with Heather, I don't think Berdych was sure about the double bounce... though maybe he should've been after hearing Roger's logic (which is mindblowingly accurate and borderline impossible to discuss).
If Federer says the ball bounced twice, then the ball bounced twice. Simple.
Zashorigin
Cameras show that Federer is right.
Zashorigin open your eyes and retake a look at the video plz
Mcsqueegy And of course, he's right. I wasn't sure so I watch it in slow motion and it is clear that it bounced twice . I'm 100% sure. So Federer was right!!! Berdych is playing unfair!!!! It's awful. Firstly I thought that maybe Roger wasn't right , but I watched it in speed: 0,25 so veeery slow, and of course I see perfectly it bounced twice!!!!!
Ewa Mewa
But are you really sure?
H4ckRn00B Of course I am :-P :-) Just watch : time: 0.49 , speed: 0,25!
Lmao they first boo him for complaining, then they applaud him for being right.
What a bunch of cowards...
It's called a peanut gallery for a reason.
Most tennis fans tbh
Just the fact of booing, I don’t understand it.
@huzzzer and what does that make of you and your presumption that the different reactions were all the same people? You painted a picture of fickle "cowards" and you labeled the crowd as a single entity. Generalizing sides only spoils you and the reality of the moment
Bored people there.
"I agree, it was close, but the result was obvious that he didn't hit it the right way."
You spend enough time on the internet and examples of disagreeing respectfully become few and far in between.
This was a breath of fresh air.
I'm gonna have to disagree
I DO NOT agree with ANY of the statements made in this comment
@@Blueybeak I DO NOT care
@@jimlahey8210 You saying people often disagree respectfully online? Or meant to say, "I'm gonna have to disagree [a$$ h0le]" 😀
No
Federer is such a class act. He has mastered his emotional control more than just about any other athlete.
I love tacos. 🥰 Yummy yummy in my tummy.
It’s even more interesting because he used to be a racket-breaker when he started out playing professionally
Messi 🤝 Federer
He lied in the same situation vs Murray At AO 2014
@@adityadash5142 messi is not federer, he is Nadal ..mind u
0:54 That commentator is spittin rhymes 🔥
Hahaha.... Eminem mode
I cant stop listening now😂
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Jesus, Federer is respectful. Not even arguing, just gives his explanation, listens to the Ump, and respects the call even though he knows he's right.
That's some class.
I agree he was very respectful in this clip as he has been lately, but if you’re interested, check out “Federer raging moments” and you’ll see he hasnt always been this way lol
Unlike Serena, childish and arrogant
@@hifriend7581 Ye
You don't get to the top of a sport like this without having a cool head. As soon as you lose your temper you start to lose focus on the game
@@sarahg6551 The fact that you immediately made this into a gender thing when its not tells me you're not worth debating with. Any gender/race that did what Serena did is equally childish.
Federer being the prime example of class in a sport, as always.
tennis isnt a sport
@@LordaLow The Olympics disagree
@@LordaLow what sport do you practice?
@@gnocbuster7886 lmao not soccer you pussy
@@LordaLow yet people wear “tennis” shoes to run in. Think that one through again m8
TV commentator with a physics degree: goes on explaining the reasonings
TV commentator with a degree in language: YES
😂😂
Do you expect him to repeat what was already said?
Robbie Koenig the GOAT of tennis commentary
Despite the physics degree, the explanation from the commentators is not correct. Federer's intuition that it bounced is correct, but you can get topspin on it before it bounces if the racquet it moving upwards (especially if it hits that part of the frame), or get slice on it after it bounces. The difference is that the ball has far more *speed* if it bounces than if it only hits the racquet. Berdych didn't swing the racquet so there is no way the ball could come at Federer that fast if it didn't bounce. With that shot it likely wouldn't even make it over the net, especially if it had topspin.
@@AGAU1022 One commentator is right the other one doesn't seem to understand. The ball didn't bounce twice, it's on the return that the ball bounces off the wrong side of the court. 0:55 he's right.
EXPLANATION FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW WHATS GOING ON:
Federer received the last ball in a "top spin" motion. That means the ball is spinning towards federer (from up to down). This move is amazing for making the ball accelerate on the court.
The problem is that, in order to do this, the racket must hit the top of the ball to make it spin, so it cannot make the ball move upwards (↑) . If you do this without having vertical force from down, the ball will hit the net.
The fact that the ball went across the net in a top spin motion while hitting near the floor means that i had vertical force from elsewhere. Yes, that vertical force is the "bounce" from hitting the floor of the court. Thus the ball DID BOUNCE before or after the hit.
It's amazing, however, that Federerer managed to analyze all this in a couple of seconds in a so secure way that he dared to tell to the referee :)
Cheers m8 😂👍
@@AlmightyDoor lol, we feel you...
Thank you you feking genius
Technically you could create topspin from the underside of the ball using the rim of the racket with only one bounce
@@dairethornton indeed. Didn't want to get extremely technical tho. It still would mean the bounce happened :P
See how respectful he was? He knew he was right and the ref made a mistake, yet he was still polite and reasonable and dignified. That is what class looks like.
Fed exudes class.... Love him
Too bad the whistlers in the crowd aren't as classy
Truly respectfully and destroys the opponent afterwards..
Exactly! He's all class. Total respect for him!
NatureShorts Serena William should take notes
Guys, this is not ONLY about the top spin. It's 50% about the way Berdych hit the ball with the racket.
Berdych could create top spin hitting the ball from the underside, but in order to do that he would've needed to "hit it the right way", as Federer said.
Federer could clearly see that the way Berdych hit the ball wouldn't have caused that result. This is why he immediately knew the ball had hit the floor afterwards.
Yes everyone knows that
How can you create top spin by hitting it at the angle?
Shows how dedicated and professional the man is. He is not just playing tennis on the basis of talent and hard work, he is also fully informed on the technical ins & outs
You can't play tennis at that level without fully understanding the technical ins and outs..
@Krosis_ Absolutely but the way Federer plays and masters it, there needs to be atleast a smidge more technical awarness and proficency on his part than the others even at that level
Because his game depends alot more on his technical abilities than his physical ones unlike for example a DelPotro or Nadal, although as you said they all are extremely knowledgable to get to that level
You don't need all that bs.
You can see it bounce twice clearly
@@shadowstorm5261 easy to see when you have a slowmotion replay, good luck seeing that in real time
Not so much. It's just years of daily practice since a child, invariably he's going to understand what the ball is going to do with regards spin/slice etc and know what's possible. It's like saying darts players being brilliant at maths when in reality it's just pattern repetition
sounds like something they would pull out in some crazy in depth tennis manga or something
Lol
You mean prince of tennis lmao ?
Kuruko no tennisu
I can hear a faint *"NANI?!?"*
John Hang naw fam no one knows any other sport anime other than Raku and Kuroko
He says what he needs to then humbly accepts the decision. It must be the Swiss way.
As a Swiss man, I wish more Swiss people were like this, lol. But we're just as human and fallible as anyone else.
@@MarkHogan994 Can you colonise the whole world please
@@MarkHogan994 😊
@@MarkHogan994 Well, congratulations. You've just proved her point haha. Humble guy.
How is that a good thing? You can't let them push you everytime they make a mistake otherwise they'll get sloppy. He should've insisted
It's pretty nice to see someone not act spoiled or entitled about simple mistakes like that, he was calm and chill about it. Respect.
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Wow time passes by so fast, I remembered watching this match with my Father when I was 13. We were both in support of what Federer did here.
Nice to see this is randomly popping up in everyone else's recommendations like 7 years late
Better late than never
Same for me and I don't watch tennis or follow tennis news on RUclips. Really strange. Bug ?
RUclips's normal thing at 4am
@@gluekol 2am for me hahaha
That's utube algorithms for u
Roger: The ball bounced twice
VAR💻: He's right!
RUclips recommendation clearly giving everyone this at once 800 likes in a day haha
J Peps _ hahaha
At once? Still believe in time huh?
@@exerciseaccount3271 go back to your cave
Umpire: Fuck VAR. We're not even as good as FIFA.
Reminds me of a Kobe Bryant story....he comes out for warmups, eyes the rim from about 50ft away, walks over, takes one jumper from midrange, walks over to the court maintenance guys, says "The rim's about an inch low".....rim was like 9'10&3/4".
These guys are ELITE athletes, sure, but they are dialed in to within 2-3 planck lengths. Their perception levels are resting 11.
Who else is here in 2024 after Jack Draper cheated?
Me!
Rule no.1 in tennis - you don't argue with Federer
@Enowki Is not even close Federer is way better, there is no way of play more perfectly than that. The only player that is built for beat Federer is Nadal, but is not a better player I general just best fit against him. Left handed, his high bounce on his hits...
Sure you can argue with the Fed.... ya not gonna win, but you can still argue.
Enowki especially if you are Djokovich😉
*Since when is dogmatism okay?*
This guy's been in enough matches to see if a ball double bounced with his eyes closed
When you answer the question that even the teacher got wrong but he doesn't give you the points.
*marks
Like when I used the word “inventory” over here in Holland during English class and my Dutch born English teacher crossed it out with a red pen in a test saying “that word doesn’t exist. You made that up”. lol. Pathetic
Right Uppercut bruh I remember this one time I was in year 8 and my teacher asked a question and I answered it right but the teacher said it was wrong 😑
Right Uppercut my mans never played Minecraft
@@rightuppercut1426 you should've shown him the word from a dictionary.
Legend of the sport. I only watch occasionally and my love for the sport grew because of this man here.
Ngl I swear I see this video like every other year it’s insane. Idk why but it always shows up.
"I agree it was close, but the result was obviously he didn't hit it the right way"
Only Federer argues like that with the umpire.
class.
Thats why we all love him
Yes. But how can the referee not notice this. There is no way he can miss that.
Referee has to make a judgement on the spot
you can't say there's no way, the chair umpire DID miss it. Fed explained it to him from an expert player's perspective.
For those that are wondering, Federer made a comeback and eventually won the match with 3-6 7-5 7-5.
Edit: Yes, I finally changed game to match, my bad 🤭
Thank you
He lost the Game but won the Match
Gracias
Godmode
Kiitos
"Well, not a double bounce, but the ball's hit down into the ground" 🗣🔥
Meaning the ball bounced twice on Berdych's side before going over the net. Don't know why the announcer needed to 'correct' him.
no i mean like the way he said it is cold cs it rhymes 😭
Reminds me of a documentary I saw a long time ago where they showed how normal people could barely even react to the serves professional make due to the speed.
Normal folks only track the ball which, by the time you can react, is already past you. Pros on the the other hand, look at body position, racket angle, jump etc so that they're moving in the right direction/position even before ball leaves the racket. And that's how those crazy fast serves are successfully returned.
yes, they can dance!
so u sayin' them pro tennis players are psychics
old post - but Ill add on that its the same in baseball.
A fast ball thats travelling 95mph can get from pitchers mound to home in 0.4 seconds. Human reaction speed varies - but its a .25 seconds. Meaning you need to make a decision in less than .15 second AND act on it in the same time frame.. batters do that all the time. Don't forget too your actual perception is in the past as well, so your brain also tries to predict where the ball "should" be too.
Its why sometimes you think you hit something, but you actually barely missed it.
0:54 1.25x speed for best rap experience
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You're the real MVP
This dude is on a higher level than the rest of us...
Federer says that he is actually to see the ball compress on his strings as he watches the ball onto his racket
But what the heck is the announcer saying by not a double bounce the ball was hit into the ground 1st that is not what we see on slow Mo even though the other commentator just goes along with his craziness
Yeah he's sitting on a chair above ground
Pleb.
Toasted Fan Art Speak for yourself
Love how he points it out, is right about it but doesn't keep complaining about it.
True professional!👍
In tennis you have to observe how the ball behaves in different scenarios. Like if the ball is hit in a certain way or at a certain angle at a certain force, etc. These players can predict where the ball is going if they can know certain variables, having played tennis all their lives. The camera might not have captured it really well but Federer is clearly right on this one. He knows that if his life counted on it he can bet on it.
RUclips algorithm: I mean you don't really watch tennis...but Wimbledon is on...so eurgh... surprise?
This made me laugh out loud, thank you
I watched the 73 Questions Vogue thing and like all of my recommended is tennis now. And my dumb ass falls for it.
Roger is pissed rn
Did you watch the vogue 73 questions with festered? Maybe that’s it?
At midnight, no less!
When youre so smart that others dont even understand your explanations.... must be frustrating.
It is frustrating.
😏
True
I so agree
It is.
A lot of big brain people in this comment thread, lol. Must have watched a lot of R&M
"Not a double bounce but the ball has hit down into the ground first and then it's coming up".
Dude literally denies a double bounce and then explains that it did in fact bounce twice.
My man calmly, respectfully, and very intelligently argued his point. When the ref said it seemed as if his opponent barely caught it with the racket, he agreed it was close and so that was understandable but stood his ground. What a king, we love good sportsmanship.
He himself played a double bounce vs Murray in 2014 AO. He surely must have known it was double bounce , when he knows all that. Yet he didn’t concede the point
@@hyphorseHe may not closely observe the ball's spin on the other side of the court.
It just shows how knowledgeable a professional is at their sport. Took me a minute to realise what he was on about after watching it twice. He knew straight away in a split second that there was something wrong. Science
@Aditya Luthra ye which is what I stated in the above comment.
Mad
I think he actually SAW the ball bounce twice.
@@GholaTleilaxu That isn't what he was telling the umpire. He was pointing out the way the ball was spinning (and moving in general) was inconsistent with a ball that was weakly popped up just an inch from the ground, but was very consistent with one that was shorthopped just after it hit the ground.
He may be the only one to explain it that way, but literally every single player on the tour (and most in colleges and even high schools...as long as they have been playing for most of their lives) would know it as well. The difference is night and day.
@@KnickKnack07 Indeed.
Roger: You know, I’m something of a scientist myself.
Just thought of the meme
Roger:You know,I'm something of a tennis myself.
u will get your points WHEN U FIX THIS DAMN DOOR!!!!
"DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED!?" ...
Intelligence is not a privilege, it's a gift. And you use it for the good of mankind.
Fun fact: Roger used to be a ball boy in Basel so he knows what he's talking about.
He's also been a professional tennis player for like 20 years, so there's that.
Technically he got the ball before it bounced twice, but the issue is his racket hit the ball into the ground, so the frame of the racket hit the ball into the ground and the ball bounced over the net. good on the anchor here for getting that
That was one of the classiest moments in sports. You know you've been cheated, there are a hundred cameras proving you've been cheated, but you play on without making a scene or having a tantrum.
and still whoop their ass anyways.
Yeah Moh'd Lahyani is class😉
Ok
he's 3-0 into the set, won everything for 10 years, he's acting perfect so you can buy his wilson racquet
@00justSomeAccount00 Roger's never been treated as unfairly as Serena LOL
federer just owned big time the referee
Federer just owned the referee big time.
LMAO I laughed so hard at this thread
agradina 900th :)
Actually he was wrong, it can have topspin if he on the edge which he managed to do.
Kirk Meyers What? You can clearly see it bounce in the replay.
Federer truly the GOAT of blue clay
The reason I’m not a champion: the umpire would be wearing my bat as a necklace now.
Reason number 2: Calls a racquet a bat :D
@@NostraFnDamus yep!…or is it a racket!!…they used to be called bats you know😉
*Opponent:* Addition
*Umpire:* Subtraction
*Federer:* _Multivariable Calculus_
Federer is making graphs on a 3d plane while they're still trying to grasp linear equations.
@@ninetailedfox579121 what an xd comment man
@@flatterswhite so deep
Fun fact : Federer used to have a terrible attitude when he was younger, breaking rackets and throwing tantrums. I'm so glad that he made an 180 and is now one of the most respected tennis players.
He is 74 years old. You grow wiser with old age. :D
toptenguy1 i doubt that he is 74 years old. 😁
@@toptenguy1 not me believing that guy was actually 74
@@Reijnz he's 39
Not only is he the most respected, he's arguably the most beloved tennis player ever, possibly sports player ever.
Bro sneaks a point from Federer, knows it, then smacks an ace? 🥶
Rewatching the point live it’s pretty cool to see 0:12 Berdychs return obviously went right to left meaning there is topspin on the ball. He caught the ball before the double bounce but after it hit his racket the ball hit the ground on his side of the court then went over the net creating the topspin. It makes sense Federer casually hit the ball back over the net thinking he clearly won the point despite Berdych smashing the volley winner. From our spectator angle as Fed says “result was obvious”
2 things in this clip that annoy me:
- The blue clay
- Berdych knew the ball bounced twice, he didnt say a single word. Not cool
What’s wrong with blue clay
Aldozzy people did complain about it, especially nadal and novak. It's not about the color, some kind of salt that was specifically put on the blue clay make it slippery. Nadal, who i think is a very defensive player, obviously, didnt like that.
@@budgiebreder it is a clay court that's only been used once, but it wasn't made/looked after well. It hasn't been used again after its first appe at the tournament. there's a vid about it
@@Aldoz its also been banned after this tournament
Pay attention their feet and ull see how slippery blue clay is. Clay isnt supposed to be slippery its supposed to help a player to come to stop quickly
roger is a tennis genius
he is THE tennis genius ... he's like the Einstein of tennis !
Michael Senthilnathan this is just common sense.
It's really just experience speaking, maybe to an amateur he might seem like a genius but it's pretty obvious if you play a lot of tennis
St T. - Well - it wasn't obvious to the ump - who, presumably had seen a lot of tennis - and probably even played some... one would hope...
Travis Coates What was pessimistic about it?
Everyone is talking about how humble is roger .
Me : RIP Madrid blue clay 😭🥴
I was looking for this comment in particular 😢😢
@@notsheram After top players complained about the clay's slipperiness and its dissimilarity with other courts, the blue clay was gone the next year(2013), Rafael Nadal, the dominant presence in Spanish tennis for more than a decade, had also complained about the court . And for this the blue clay is now believed to be extinct worldwide . And thats why i said Rip Madrid blie clay because its gone forever !
Now thats how you lose gracefully. Federer stated his argument and took the L without any attitude even tho he was right. Class is a rare thing these days but luckily we have Federer representing - a class act. Scored many points with me in that instance. Keep rockin it steady Roger.
Hey dude, your class act idol played a double bounce vs Murray in 2014 AO.
Now what? Is he a cheat?
@@hyphorse a year later and I still wanted to make fun of you for what a terrible attempt at trolling this was
@@HistoriesHighlights He did tho, so why cry
RF: "The ball bounced twice"
Uploader: "Science!"
mangashu911gt hi
mangashu911gt it was a physically accurate explanation he gave the umpire that proved it. It was science.
@@keithperkins9871 issa joke friend
because you're an idiot that didn't understand his explanation
Yeah mr White ... SCIENCE
RUclips algorithm has always intrigued me.. never googled about tennis, hardly ever talk about tennis, but I’m here watching about how Federer explains about balls bouncing twice. And... I’m glad I watched....
co-sign this
And video is from 2012
RUclips knows something 🤔😅
It shows you disposable stuff, mostly crap and TV shows, and buries things that are actually the product of effort, talent or real value. Just for one bit of info, a guy literally invented a working invisibility shield, no BS, and started posting about it last year. His videos have less than a thousand views and the algorithm won't show it. Look up "hyperstealth invisibility."
@@EGarrett01 well that just sucks..
So.. the replay proved he was right, aside from the obvious explanation, and the Ump still gave the point to Berdych? Well, robbery is everywhere.
The Joker if he was adopted by the Wayne family.
when the teacher has a wrong answer but refuse to admit you're right.
hate that shit 💯
Sounds like my old Geo teacher…
relate to this
this happens often when an asian student comes to america, then the math teacher suddenly makes every question harder, and the asian student still thinks its easy and points out every mistake the math teacher did lmao
@@kerohowgee9797 cool
Roger: Expert physicist.
Ref: "When did you become an expert in tennis ball motion dynamics?"
Fed: "5 seconds ago."
:P
Every one who's been playing tennis (or any ball sport) for more than 15 days is an expert in tennis ball motion dynamics ... If you're not a complete moron. It's not rocket science, just watch what's going on.
If your first instinctive reaction just now was : "Well, *I* am not an expert in tennis ball motion dynamics!" (implying that no one can be one) you know you fall in the moron category.
Sahm A Roger was totally right on that one. I slowed down the replay at 0:49 , it hit the ground and Berdych knew that but of course he's going to be a douche and not say anything.
Paul y I never said Roger was wrong lol. I was jut adding the Avengers reference there, if you didn't get it...
Sahm A I didn't know you were paraphrasing. "When did you become an expert in Thermonuclear Astrophysics?" Tony Stark: "Last Night."
In the manga the audience would be the one explaining the phenomena to the reader.
You know, he's something of a scientist himself.
@JAMF My comment was harmless, yet your words of defiance have incited godly amounts of rage in me.
@@abdulkabir3125 I see...a man of culture! 👌
I understood that reference 😂 (Spiderman 1 by Tobey McGuire)
I missed the part where that's my problem.
@@Gabriel-l What about Berdych? Did you give him a chance? Did you?
0:54 Eminem been real quiet since this 🔥
Lol
hilarious
Way to copy someone else's post. Real original
@@BzKnz220 unlike you i dont scroll through comments reading them just in case i duplicate one. i have a life :) cop on.
@@joshbarrow8928 you say you have a life but not only did you reply to a youtube comment, you replied to a youtube comment within an hour of them commenting it. Some life you have there
Man was spitting hot fax and realised that putting to much care into it would ruin his gameplay so he just spat the fax and went back to playing. Amazing mentality.
Thank you algorithm. Now I finally know.
This really shows how insightful Federer is in the sport.
well no fucking shit, that's his job and he's one of the top tennis players lol
actually number 1 right now.
Not anymore. Number 2 right now.
Not anymore, he's number 3 right now!
Well ,numbers keep changing but the persona and the charisma doesn't. He is still the best!!
if you look closely, britain just voted for brexit
omg! i'm in tears xD
defunctt This is great
defunctt i know this may sound really stupid but i didnt get it? lol
defunctt ?
this is so random
He's getting Federer up each time
Not only knows how to play, but also knows the science behind it. Respect!
Its more knowledge around the subject than science. He's experienced this many times and knows how a ball was hit depending on the spin and angle, it's more maths, too.
some say it’s more a ‘technical’ viewpoint (though i don’t know how a real scientist would argue about this..)
@@levetbyck a real scientist would use moment of inertia to calculate. Using kinetics for both rotation and diagonal movement
@@adrianhalvorsen7013 wild
@@levetbyck really isnt that difficult, maybe some integrals but most likely just algebra.
Federer is so good, he literally educates umpires while crushing opponents lol
he was losing
@@JamboNessy He never lost on blue Clay
P.S. He was 3-0 up
@@utkarshpant5297 and a set down
@@keldsbases and he won the next two sets to win the match. That was his 20th Masters 1000 title. Pipe down.
@@JamboNessy and he won the next two sets to win the match. That was his 20th Masters 1000 title. Pipe down.
fed knew immediately the ball had to bounce twice and it did. I say we let Federer be the umpire..lol.
Could be a possible career for him after he retires.
yungvernables i mean why would he need another job after he retires? he's rich af
ChrisCuber123 I want you to read your comment. and come back...irony is real in your comment.
No need to bicker at each other blatantly. Most retired athletes continue to promote their sport in various ways, not only for monetary gain.
ChrisCuber123 first you said he should still earn more money....and then you said he shouldn't be selfish and take more money
Roger Federer won his record-tying twentieth Masters 1000 title and third title at Madrid by defeating Tomáš Berdych 3-6, 7-5, 7-5 in the final
I dont think the the ball bounced twice and im sorry all you people and federer talking about how the science of the ball and that it did bounce twice are just ways to make it seem like he was cheated out. Like ya you can have a good feeling of how the ball works but your not a computer that can predict the trajectory, so no I dont believe he is right if you watch the video in 0.25 speed you can clearly see the ball touches the end of the racket and not the ground at all.
The audience: **booing Federer**
Federer: **explains how and why the ball bounced twice**
The audience: **surprised pikachu face**
This meme is officially dead
It was in Spain and the crowd was mostly Spanish so ofc they were gonna boo him
@@tannerjablowski3192 1.4k likes on his comment say otherwise.
@@aaronm.3581 likes from people who are dead inside don’t count
@@tannerjablowski3192 We can't possibly know if their insides are dead.
Federer is truly the greatest of all time.
Novak is good too
Novak is good at beating 30+ year old Federer... Don't get me started on generation useless
Jay Chung The whole Federer early prime was beating chumps and bums, right up until Nadal came and whipped his ass so bad he had to cry (look up it up there's evidence). Then came Djokovic who started beating them while they were BOTH still in their prime. Please...
fed beat djo alot when djo was apparently the best, he only started beating fed when he was really old
Harry Templeman-Wright That's not true, of course prime Federer was beating the Djoker when he just arrived on tour with no expereience. Also he was weak and had breathing problems and in poor health. As soon as he fixed that, Federer was still in his prime and couldn't beat him. Stop it. Plus in 2011 and 2015 he had the most dominant years in the open era, not to mention he did it in an era with 2 of the top 5 players of all time in Federer and Nadal. Did I forget that he was the first player to hold all 4 grand slam titles since Rod Laver in the late 1960's.
I had to play it at 0.25x to make sure that Federer is right.
He's right
The calm n collected way he approached the judgement call. True professional.
Holy shit, I never even thought about that. Roger is a genius.
Magyar19 that's why he's the GOAT
Magyar19 This doesn't make him a genius and this isn't why he's the best. he's the best because of how he plays tennis.
a lot of people would have picked up on this, particularly pro tennis players.
If you spent day after day thinking about ball spin, you'd probably figure that out, too.
Exactly, if anyone plays tennis all day every day they'd easily pick up on this. You don't need to have any 'intelligence' to see this.
Can someone tell me what Federer said?? I can't understand his explanation because english is not my first language
Bloody hell, I had to watch it on 0.25 speed twice before I could clearly see that the ball bounced twice and Federer knew from the spin of the return- the man’s a genius
here's a tip: Use the comma (,) and period (.) keys to move forward and backward 1 frame at a time
@@hamyncheesebut most of the people aren't watching this on pc.
@@pulga961 Not my problem. If you want to see the double bounce then use a PC to watch the video. Otherwise, go cry in your android device.
@@hamyncheese I 've seen it on 1x speed.
He didn't know it from seeing it bounce twice. He knew it from the way the ball was spinning. It really isn't that hard to notice because there is a HUGE difference in popping it up weakly just before it hits the ground, and shorthopping it over. Most people who have played tennis even semi-regularly would see this.
I don’t play Tennis, and I don’t know this Federer man, and I can’t tell if everyone in the comments are simultaneously being sarcastic. I’m dumb please help what’s going on
Poor guy. Basically, Roger Federer, king of all things tennis, knows so much about the science of tennis. Like, basically almost everything. So when the other guy returned the ball in the last exchange, he saw how the ball moved, and he knew it could only be moved that way if it had already bounced twice. He appealed that to the guy who called the point against him, lost the appeal even though he was right with camera evidence, took it like a champ and didn't throw a fit, and then afterwords went on to prove his skill by winning the game
@@Josh-JTJ Thanks!! This helped me understand now jdbfjerkslejrn
I am not disagreeing with all the fanboys here maybe something wrong with my eyes, but from the slow motion I don't see it hitting the ground. It is more liking the top spin was caused by the ball hitting the frame of the racket.
*Absolutely true.* Roger played a drop shot with an underspin the only way you can return an underspin is if you hit the ball with either topspin or underspin but berdych visibly just pushed the ball flat with his racket but still the ball made it across and suprisingly with top spin. That would only be possible if the ball is already dead meaning the ball bounced twice making whatever spin on the ball gone.
thanks for clarifying, yet the part where u say the only way to return an underspin is either another underspin (which I can picture happening) or a topspin, which is counter intuitive for a layman such as myself, can u explain? Wouldn't a topspin add more underspin making the ball go down?
@@desert-igor I guess giving top spin will increase the air pressure downside eventually lifting the ball up across the net.
I see...so that's his technique ... he is truly a worthy opponent ...
Noww i understandd thanks mate
Can you translate this please I don't speak tennis
He even admits it was close rather than yelling and screaming like most. Refs are humans and it’s a millimeters difference. Mistakes happen
The bs part is, they saw the replay yet ampire didn't reverse the call
@@tyroneloki5131 I heard you can’t review footage until after the call is made and refs rarely ever reverse a call even when it’s the wrong one that’s just how it is
@Mister Funk If the ball bounces twice, that's a point-winning shot for someone, isn't it? Your logic is a bit wonky on this.
If mistakes happen why not use the fucken video replay to get this shit right?
@@JonYen69 because it slows down the game in a sport where 2+ hours are the norm and even then is not free from gross error.
VAR in football is the biggest example. Regularly consumes about 5 mins of a 90 min game.
Thanks to a video suggested after this I can now tell that this was 2012 when Madrid had Blue Clay for one year, Federer won the tourney
23,696,424 views, 181k likes, 8.1k comments, 3.79k subscribers. Nice!!
0:41 damn he almost set his shoes on fire
Initial D moment
it's clay
@@MrStuffs it was also a joke
@@DarkPlaysThings not everything's a joke
@@redim777 Yes. But the original comment was
This is why he gets so angry with the umpires at times. He knows the game so well, and how a ball naturally reacts that the umpires just don’t.
I think the umpires should play a tournament every year lol
@@Taigirr yeah, and the players should officiate a match. Both would find it's not so easy.
@@toddrf wrong tbh tennis players would find it easy? Hello what are you smoking on, i need it please
@@qiiBlackThunderiip let's just say that things look different from the chair than they do from the court. Is that too hard to understand? Players always have an inflated sense of their ability to officiate. It's a completely different skill set than playing.
@@toddrf we have iPhones now - the umpire can see everything the viewers and the players can.
He won this match btw
Homie starts spittin rhymes at 0:55.
He gave up because he knew what he's saying is too advanced for the umpire lol
Or maybe he knew that a judgement overuling what you saw vs what physics tell you "what probably happened" afterwards is a bad judgement...then again im no regular tennis watcher
He won the game anyways
@@Sepilein1 maybe because it actually bounced twice? Bro
He realises arguing with the ref will do his game mentality and focus no good so he tries to keep it to a minimum even though he knows he’s right. Waste no energy on what you can’t change.
@@MITSJL Exactly even when a ruling is incorrect in like any competition or game ever it's usually better off to drop it and avoid getting tilted
Does the umpire not know that Roger has children?
🤣🤣🤣
LisztyLiszt I’m sorry but I don’t get it
😂😂😂😂
@@clotic100 related to miss s williams 😅
Patricks MusicVidz oh
I love sports that have the option to get 100% confirmation of what happened with cameras and still rely on human senses alone, allowing for human error. Imagine being in a lab and not using a balance because humans can measure just well enough without it.
There are different priorities
That such a stupid comparison it's shocking
If I hit the ball while it's bouncing of the floor, L might think I'm Kira, because I'm desperate. If I don't, he will deduct that I'm overcalculating, which means I'm Kira...
Federer - Provides astute logic respectfully.
Serena - "I'M A MOTHER!!!!!!!"
@Jeff Gachihi LMAO underrated comment
Best comment
legendary comment
"I have a daughter & I stand for what's right for her"
Do you think Federer needs credit via the bashing of someone else? Try to be more like Federer and less like whatever it is you're doing.
1) It was impossible for umpire to see it in that speed.
2) If Berdych had some fair-play inside himself, he would overrule the call.
151bar151 he doesnt. that why he is going to get trashed in fridays semis
You don't need to see it to understand it. It's simply conservation of rotationary motion if you play any ball sport. Federer clearly sliced the ball. That's a fuck ton of spin. Bed bare reached it and was unable to generate power to counter the spin. The question is where did the rotationary momemtum of the ball go? The only explanation in that situation is the ground. Federer didn't "see" that. The umpire was even closer to the action. It's just Federer had a better understanding of rotational motion than the umpire
151bar151 Except that he cant and he probably didnt even know. It was hard for everyone to see it and you expect him to know?
It was impossible for the umpire to see. The umpire is not a physicist with knowledge of ball spin, energy transference, etc. Berdych likely did not know the ball bounced twice.
I shall agree with Heather, I don't think Berdych was sure about the double bounce... though maybe he should've been after hearing Roger's logic (which is mindblowingly accurate and borderline impossible to discuss).
What's the replay for then? If you have it available in real time: check it to see what happened and make the correct decision!
Andrew Garfield could play Federer in a movie
Federer: Doing his science thing while playing tennis ball
Me: too slow to play tennis, too dumb to understand science
You: too slow to spell and use proper grammar
XxYeet_Master_420xX it was a joke bro also he might not be a native English speaker based on his name
It's probably easier for a pro tennis player the a scientist to tell the kind of spin exerted on a ball.
Swaggy Pea u right my bad
tbh it wasnt science as much as it was tennis knowledge
RF does not play tennis, "HE IS TENNIS!!".
Atul K RAO Tennis will decide your faith...
I AN TENNIS
RaFa
Atul K RAO nah he is shit
I'd say tennis plays "Roger Federer" ;)
He plays tunnis
If Nadal in English said the ball bounced twice. You ask him again because you may not understand him! Lol. We love you Rafa!!!!
First time I saw it I thought definitely bounced twice. Then on slow motion noticed that the second bounce form the racket not the floor, I think.
Wait...no throwing the racket? No tantrum? No demanding an apology? Serena, did you see this is how it's done?