Jackson Juggernaut Misha Mansoor Pro Series *VS* USA - Worth the $3,000 Difference?
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2020
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In this video I'm going through the differences between the Pro Series and USA Jackson Juggernaut series of guitars. Do features such as Bareknuckle Juggernaut pickups and Hipshot Hardware could make the difference?
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Or you can save a “little” more he says.
@Tony Branson What’s the point?
@@Blazerghost That by buying the pro series model instead of the USA one, you save a LOT more, not just a little more.
@@Blazerghost pro series is like 1/3 the price of the USA model.
Just got last month the exact Pro model you have in the video, and I'm completely in love with it. Maybe down the line I would consider getting a set of BK pickups, but at the moment I'm really happy with how it is, especially for the price. Keep up the amazing content, you're gonna go far!
The pro series are great mod guitars for sure
Pleasure was all mine man!
Man it's good to finally hear the comparison. I'm looking at just getting the nut changed to a graph-tech nut when i get the rags chucked in.
It's crazy how close the MM-1's are in comparison to the Juggs. I feel like the Juggs are a bit clearer and definitely hotter than the MM-1's but for stock pickups they actually hold up pretty well.
That graphtech nut will do wonders dude. Thanks again, can’t wait to hear what it sounds like with rags
Would love to hear what you think of it after the upgrades! Going to be upgrading my HT-6 and 7 with Rags soon, along with a hipshot bridge for the 7 (6 is a evertune retrofit) and some of those hipshot grip knobs.
Curious about the nut change, I personally haven't had any tuning stability issues with my 7 (jury is out on the 6 because of the evertune lol) though I'm sure it'll help the sound of the guitar a good bit. Need to get around to making that change on my Holcomb as well.
Also I'd like to add that on both of mine the tone knob was loose as well.
Hope you enjoy it man!
To me the MM-1's sound nothing like the juggernauts. They sound muddy and choked off. Especially in the 7 string models as compared to the juggernauts and ragnoroks.
@Doug Cronkhite he’s saying they sound good for stock pickups. I’d hope 400 dollar pickups would sound better lol
@@sb632 he’s saying they sound good for stock pickups. I’d hope 400 dollar pickups would sound better lol
Good job dude ! Always a pleasure to hear you playing. Actually we can easily hear that you like what you do, what you're talking about, pretty confident ! Carry on this way!
Thanks dude, glad you’re enjoying it!
Really in depth comparison, awesome video. There are differences in the tone and I think I like the USA one more, but they don't sound that far apart really. Seems like getting the pro series and upgrading some of its hardware would get you a quite high end sound and feel for a mid range cost, cool to know!
Such an excellent review and comparison. Nice work!
This comparison is awesome! Thank you, Keyan! I've been heavily considering swapping out my Ibanez RGD for a HT6 Pro series.
Man. So great seeing you step your video game up! More and more subs each vid! Great work bro :)
Getting some softbox lights and a new camera did wonders. Thanks dude
I don't get why any guitar would have a plastc nut. It saves like $10. Probably less actually, since manufacterers get discounts on bulk purchaces.
$10 may seem like not a lot. But if they make 1000 then they save $10,000 on production costs. I'd assume they have made way more than 1000 too, so it's understandable
@@benthewavecame yeah but I don't think anyone would bat an eye if a guitar cost $10 more. Especially in this price point.
I agree. My PRS Mark Holcomb SE came with a plastic nut and I changed it out for graph tech nut for $12. Made a world of difference. Plastic nuts sound terrible.
@@Circaman8 oh yeah, agreed.
@@benthewavecame so charge 13 dollar more then... then they even earn 3 dollar more insted for each guitar, im sure everyone would pay 13 dollar more for a guitar
Not gonna lie, having the DI's for listening to the guitars on your own rig is the best idea I've ever seen
Thanks for watching! Let me know what you guys think. Which one would you get?
the original USA 6 string of the finish you have, shame they never come up for sale :(
The bare knuckle pick ups are just amazing!! I’m really considering buying a pair
Actually got the HT7 Pro for about 2,5 years and like it a lot, feels very compact and agile for a 7 with the extremely narrow nut width. Upgraded it with Juggernauts, Hipshot bridge, Hipshot tuners, removed the tone pot completely (-> no more rattling and dont use it anyway), Hipshot volume knob (simple but just nice feeling and looking with next to no effort, changed on a few of my guitars).
So I think tonally there will be just a very small difference anymore, although die MM1 Pickups are not bad at all and the hardware was okay as well. But at least now it feels way better imo and I still can bring it to every small stage without worrying too much... just miss the stainless steel frets :P
Then a few months ago I wanted to buy an HT6 Pro, tried 3 of them and the quality was just beyond acceptable. Super crooked installed pickups, poorly slotted frets, crooked knobs, one even had the ground wire (usually hidden by the bridge) sticking out next to the bridge with damaged paint around it, way to big neck pockets....So yeah, I think you need A LOT of luck to get a good Indonesian made Jackson, I think I had with my first one. Love the USA models and for a good price below maybe 2k a solid no brainer but for around 3.5k there are many great alternatives to the custom shop one.... instead of a ht6 pro or usa made i personally then got a mayones duvell for 1k less then the ht6 usa :)
Cheers from Germany!
Great review!!
Quality videos man! Still watching the video but I appreciate the content
Thanks for watching man
@@KeyanHoushmandLive Cheers! This was a great comparison of the two models. Very detailed and well thought out. At the end of the day I would be happy with both! (The American model is definitely better tho 😂)
I got three Pro models, all upgraded with BK pickups...and I love them. I wish I had the newer HT7 model, with the roasted maple neck, but still, even the older model is just great to play. Great video btw :)
Great comparison with Great detail! Awesome video! Really helped me choose to go with the pro series only because for around 2k less you still get pretty good quality and sound. I definitely will upgrade as the years go on to one day get a USA made Jackson but I don’t feel my skills are up to par to have a USA just yet. I think a USA made Jackson will later be a treat to myself as my playing skills progress.
cool video I was eager to see this kind of comparison
Thanks for watching man
just ordered a used US model 7 string in the silver sparkle. can’t wait to get it!
Really appreciate the video! I’ve owned a silver sparkle burst but I had to sell it during the pandemic cause I was broke af! I’m finally ready to get another guitar and start building another rig and I’m consigned the pro version as it’s what I can afford right now and still have money for a modeler or good recording setup
Great videos man! I’m getting ready to upgrade my pro model and was curious. Do you prefer the Ragnarok or Juggernaut pickups?
Perfect timing! On a waitlist for a USA model that supposed to ship next week! Thanks for this! Happy with my decision so far
I'm on my 8th watch 😂 impatient as fuck 😂 send help
Bro same but I got my usa used off reverb practically mint. FedEx is taking their time with shipping it and its killing me
@@jaredesker7348 they love taking their time when it's a big purchase and you're dying for it. It's like they know 😂 only a little while longer man, well get there 🎶
Excellent video and comparison! I think for the $ I'd take the Pro and swap pickups. It is boat loads cheaper and I absolutely love the lambo orange! 👍
I'm actually really surprised that they sound so similar!
@Perpetual Havoc They sound much more close than the 3000$ gap. That's probably what he meant.
@Perpetual Havoc Well, opinions I guess. In my experience there is a point (a price point) where you start paying for looks (fancy tops, exotic woods, exclusivity) rather than sound quality, but to each his own... I clearly don't hear a 3000$ difference in sound.
They sound anything but similar dude, get your ears checked
@@georgefakis tonewise they sound similar, but the juggs have more clarity, as you would expect with all BK’s pickups
I have a Satin white HT6 pro series juggernaut, ebony fretboard, that I got used in MINT condition for $500.
It would go out of tune quickly, and I had to constantly tune it.
I checked online and yup, a plastic nut? Really Misha? That's the corner you and Jackson want to cut? A $10 fix?
Anyway, I put a Graph-tech nut on , it was like $12!!
And a few weeks later, I put Hipshot griplock open gear tuners on, and a Hipshot hardtail bridge. Same one's on Mishas ....
I dialed the action in MINT, the intonation is on point, there's not a blemish, no sharp frets....
All in all it cost me roughly $200 for the mods and now it's my absolute favorite, go too guitar. No lie. So for $700 is now a beast.
Let's say I get a set of bareknuckle juggernauts for it..... with the cool covers( you know it's more with the covers) I'm still at or JUST over $1000
Oh wait, I put a Star Wars sticker on it.... that was $5.....lmfao!
I know, the amber Tiger is BEAUTIFUL ...and the wood... and electronics, the attention to detail, the hard shell case etc.
But guess what, my guitar, on a recording...... I'd put money on it that people would NOT know which was which.
In the end I saved well over $2000!!
It says "Made in Indonesia"
Big deal.
However, I love ALL of his custom USA models and if I could justify it I'd own one too!!
I was really considering getting a Black Burst Burl 7-string, couldn't really find one near me. Instead, I decided to get Ragnaroks for my current 8-string, swapping out the EMGs. Found a really good quality Agile Sceptor 27" Pro.
Only thing you're missing is the stainless steel frets
@@Tangalang22
True.
I picked up the Holcomb PRS a couple weeks ago. Can't put it down! Also bought a Revv G4 pedal and it sounds gnarly!
Was the bridge a direct fit? With the same holes?
@@TheAmirShimon
Yes and no lol. It fit perfectly but the holes were in a different spot.
Not a big deal, I drilled small pilot holes and was done in a few minutes.
Well worth it too!
recently bought a pro ht6, it feels really really nice, neck is incredibly smooth, it keeps in tune very well and I cant find any manufacture issues by the moment, I think you can get an amazing guitar by replacing hardware with hipshot bridge and locking tunners and upgrade pickups to bareknuckle ragnarok set
great video, dude
Hey Keyn, thank you for the amazing content ! Is it possibile that you do a video creating a modern metal tone with a HT7 using a line 6 stomp ? Merci ! :)
I'm curious if the pros with the roasted maple are more consistent overall now. The original pros I tried when I was looking in that price range were really disappointing in terms of a new guitar lots of qc issues especially with the neck, but I could see it being good like others put here bought used with mods.
man that usa model is just gorgeous! that flamed maple is like a tigers stripes! usually orange isnt my color but that lambo orange pro series with the roasted maple is pretty nice as well!
The USA sounds both richer and tighter in the low end. The lead stuff stands out better and it has the chunks. But I wonder what a Pro Series could do with the Juggernauts. The PRS SE Holcomb has his signature pickups in it and it sounds phenomenal for the price. And Misha does not use his cheaper alternatives on stage while Mark does... I think that says a lot! 😁
I own the HT6 and upgraded it with BKP Juggs, Hipshot Bridge and Tuners, and must say that it plays and feels phenomenal, for me the Hipshot also did a sound difference in spankiness as I had the Juggs in before the bridge.
I will do the same with my pro HT7 but also will replace all electric in it, with BKP Capacitors and so on
Sh4kara
Sounds good. How much is the total cost then for one of those upgraded beasts?
@@ledooni I paid like 500€ at upgrades on whatever the guitar costs on top.
It is definitely interesting that both Holcomb and Bowen's sig's have their signature pick ups in them. And we know Mark uses the SE models (albeit with some mods to them) live. I know Jake does have a couple of custom shop ibanez's he plays, but I think he does use his import model live at times as well. I think the addition of the Juggernauts and a better nut would be worth it for MIsha's import model honestly. Even if it ups the price to around 1000-1100 bucks it would still be a steal at that price.
I saw him playing a lot with the Pros in Argentina.
Awesome video Keyan!
yo what did you play at 19:21 ? Is that a song or just something random that you noodled?
that's from "It's Only Smiles" on Periphery 4.
Its an interesting video,how do you compare with the slat series?
Great video. Have you played the Charvel 7 string? If you have do you have a preference. Also, I heard that you have to stay in standard tuning with the Jackson. You can't tune down the 7th string. Is that true? Thanks for your response.
Badass intro m8
Underrated channel
the pro series looks really nice, but i personally think the cosmetic and finish flaws you found on it are unacceptable for a $1149 guitar ( the model in the video is that price in CAD, which comparable to AUD). I mean, seriously it's not that time consuming to prevent those issues when they make the guitar... Also a Graphtec nut is worth like $15 CAD
Still looks really nice, and having a roasted maple neck, locking tuners and that pretty unique 20" radius is pretty awesome!
Great comparison video. That was fun to watch 🤘. I think USA sounds a little more brighter .. An upgrade on the Indonesian made can really do the job for me.
Thanks for watching!
great video man, I love misha mansoor guitars, USA model is dream to me because I from mexico and here is so expensive, but misha pro series I would buy one , probably in 6 months more; the stock pickups of jackson misha pro series are good, no sound bad for stock pickups, I liked the sound; now, I'm so happy with my jackson dinky Js-32 7 strings snow white, I love it, but just one thing that I don't like of my guitar, is the union the neck with the body, is very inconfortable, but I understand, is a economic guitar; thanks for sharing man, greetings from mexico
en Chile creo que aún no han llegado
Acá en Argentina la tenes que importar sí o sí, no creo que llegue, menos con la cuarentena.
I am legitimately thinking of buying a 7 just so I can learn "Its only smiles"... So i appreciate the little cover in there haha these look great... can't decide between this and Marks PRS SE SVN!!
I have the Pro Series HT7 in Sky Blue Burst and love it. The neck is amazing. I'm actually surprised to hear the similarities between the stock MM1 Bridge and Juggernaut Bridge in the clips at the end. Makes me a bit hesitant to drop all the extra cash on a set of Juggs like I had planned...
I have a pro series HT6 that I upgraded a little. Graphtech nut, Hipshot locking tuners, Hipshot bridge.
I'm in the same boat, the MM1's actually have really great voicing....honestly they sound huge, beefy, and killer on my recordings.
If you dial in a good tone, and played it for someone and told them they were bareknuckle pups, they wouldn't argue.
Idk man, ppl get crazy nowadays. They're making great stuff for less and less everyday now.
Got the HT6 from the Pro Series - excellent guitar for the price point, love it! \m/
beau travail good explication every detail complete info thank you very much
What is the black wrap around the nut? Capo?
the body of the Juggernaut ht7 is very big compare to other guitars?
for example compare to the mark holcomb SVN?
please try to answer me because i think to buy HT7 but i dont have this model in my country
thanks for the great content
Very good comparison. I bought the HT7 pro 6 months good for about 650-700$ and I haven't tried the US models because they are very rare where I live. I guess I was a bit more lucky considering the QC of my guitar because the only thing I've noticed is the screw holes that are a bit rough. The fretwork was nicely done and the neck is very comfortable.
The negatives are the tuners that are ok and holds up ok. But if I would play live I would probably change those. The other thing are the pickups that are perhaps a bit muddy. I would say that they are decent but I will probably swap them out for a Seymour Duncan Sentient and Nazgul or Pegasus that I've already got.
Even though the nut is plastic I haven't got any issues with that and won't probably change that or the bridge which I also think is ok.
If you get the HT Pro model on a sale when you got a really good guitar.
Are there any of you guys bought the one that's made in indonesia? How did it hold up? Planning to buy one soon. Please let me know.
In my case it’s very difficult try to buy a USA model to import in my country (Chile), so the best option for my is the pro series, coming with very issues like the cavity of the neck pocket its a little separated in the side - It’s been modified with a set of BKP juggernaut on the bridge and the aftermath on the neck and a sparkle sea foam green paint job,greetings from Chile
Import Jackson’s are never a safe bet unless you can play it in person first. Their QC is all over the place. Even the USA stuff often leaves a lot to be desired. That 20” radius board feels awful IMO but it’s all preference. If you can find a good example of the US model and you jive with that neck then it’s a cool axe.
Could you please review schecter omen 8 indonesian built....?
Great vid, perfect timing for me as I was planning to get the pro in a few months. You seemed quite positive about it but didn't give a final verdict? I'm not in a position to get a £3000 guitar (as much as I would like to 😂)
is it the natural clean sound or you add reverb on it?
What string gauge and brand do you use for your USA?
what was the song for neck pickup lead tone?
Thumbnail: djent on a budget
Me after searching price of orange Jackson: (crying in poor)
The holding full 7 string chords under distortion is super impressive on both and i don't really hear a difference myself. Super cool. I think the usa one wins out on all other categories. Just sounds that bit fuller? More rich? I imagine it's a lot tondo with the pickups. That usa one looks stellar too
I think the Juggs are more articulate and the notes don’t really clash with each other as much to my ear. The lows are a little more focused as well but for the price the MM1s are still very good
I've heard many horror stories about QC in the Pro Series.
I believe they’ve fixed those issues on the newer versions, but yeah, at launch these things had a horrible quality control
I can’t vouch for the newer pro series but I had a 2015 model I believe and it had issues. The pickup switch wasn’t routed out enough so the only way to get all 5 positions was by removing the plastic switch blade cap. Also the neck always seemed to get out of adjustment. Other than that I really liked the feel of the guitar.
Ooo the Indonesian Pro Series yes, the Charvel and Jackson DK Pros made in Fender Mexico are great.
I remember when the Pro Series used to be made in Japan. Those were AMAZING instruments! QC issues were extremely limited. My MIJ Rhoads is probably the best instrument under $1200 that I've ever played. I wish Jackson would move production of all the Pro Series back to Japan. Sure, it's more expensive than Indonesia, but the QC is MUCH better!
Even if it is roasted with graphite reenforcement, a flat sawn neck might be a deal breaker for me. What's the stability been like on the pro series?
i totally agree about the 8 i wish they made a base line jugg ht8 around the same price as the 7
Great, now make comparison between Jackson MM pro series and Solar a2.7. That would be helpful 🙂
what's the neck thickness on the USA one?
I got the orange one last week. (HT7) I’m just as happy with it as if I had the expensive one.
Interesting shootout, they sound kinda different, but both sound cool! USA model sound a little bit crunchy and has more presence, and it looks killer, absolutely my choice!
Awesome guitar man
I have an ht6 USA alder body and im looking at an ht7 USA in silver burst sparkle. It’s at a good price point and I’ve played a 6 string USA with a basswood body and liked the sound of it. I don’t have too much experience with a 7 string but I’ve been wanting one for a very long time. I actually want an 8 string too lol. Anyway I’m just contemplating weather or not I should spend 2k on a guitar right now or put that money towards my car loan.
What strings and gauge do you use?
Awesome video, makes me want to get a 7 string but can you say your name slowly in your next video
Well the pickups really show where the price cutting started especially on the lead and note definition ahah night and day.
Great video! Just wanted to let you know that your Instagram and Facebook links in the description are wrong/broken :O
Thanks for letting me know!
I have a USA Juggernaut 6 in blue, the quilt maple pattern in the binding is nowhere near as prominent as your's. I wonder why
Well it´s a real wood and every wood differs so the finish does, if not it would not be real wood but paint :) keep it easy, simple
I have the orange pro model, awesome guitar
The USA model has some magic in it, that's what i hear.
I have the Orange one. So effin sick 🤘🤘
I love how you played KIND :)
I knnnoooww!!
Only noticed 2 differences when he did the crunch and the clean tone. Rest for me is all almost the same. Misha was right, the mm1 pick ups are competitive with the higher priced pick ups. Definitely going to buy that pro series. Can't wait.
I have the same issue with my pro series tone control pot.
Cheers for the vid dude, this was a comparison I wanted to see for a while. But to be honest this vid could've been 10-12 minutes. So much self repeat.
Why did you not tried to put the BKP Juggs into the Pro series how it would sound?
Is it good to use Misha's signature to play Mark's riff?
Yes
I'm completely upgrading my Misha Pro Series.
I just bought a Hipshot-7 .175 bridge, Hipshot Open Gear locking tuners, and a Graph Tech TUSQ XL nut.
The exact bridge, tuners, and nut in the USA model. I also bought a Lundgren M7 bridge, I'm happy with the MM1 neck.
What tuning are used for the test ? Fells like G# or G. Both guitars are great. I have a 7 string with even flatter radius. Imo the best thing about misha's guitars are looks. Yes there is a difference between pickups. But as you said you can buy any pickups and put them to almost any guitar.
Ab tuning.
i have the pro series and honestly its the best guitar. better than my soloist jackson for sure... switched out the pickups for ragnaroks and it bangs hard
it seems like you kno de wey
Cleans I noticed USA sounded warmer, where the other was sharper sounding.
Slightly less ear picky but still very crispy and clear
Mine was a 2018 model abd was fine in all the categories but I changed the bridge, tuners to hipshots but the big problem is the PUs have a triangular shape where the PUs screws are and it made changing the PUs a bitch. I had to have someone do it for me. If anyone had better luck in this area let me know I’d be curious to hear about it.
The price leap from the Pro to the USA model is really drastic.
I wonder why Jackson doesn't offer more signature models in the MIJ line? The prices on Japanese models is relatively reasonable and the increase in quality would be proportional
I recently purchased the neon orange. It ended up having A LOT of flaws. The color was a little ridiculous as well lol. I ended up grabbing the burl top one and its fuckin rad
The colour is very very bright hahahaha it shifted the white balance of the camera whenever I held it up
Oh and my nut did the same thing! But it’s whatever I guess lol
I started out with the Pro, loved it so much I upgraddd.
The Pro is a great guitar, but the USA is a world apart, jyst in terms of materials and time given to the luthiers.
My Laguna Blue “Bulb” is going nowhere.
Neither is mine, couldn’t agree more
Excluding the pick ups, how different sounding is the USA model that is silver/blue/red vs the tiger eye finish one?
I would definitely prefer a USA model. The price is too high though. Definitely something I'm going to save up for. After I get my recording setup together, and get a great cab/poweramp for my Fractal FM3, then I can worry about getting some super high end guitars.
Man i do dig those Jackson but im pretty much stuck on ESP ill probably end up getting the new Japanese E-II M-II NT which is basically the same thing as your USA just not as nice.
this or the prs holcomb ?
Jackson upped the game quite a bit recently. I bought a model off the pro line. It's sand blasted in the grain and black and red. It was also made in Korea. The Korean ones are way better. Came with hipshot bridge, gohto locking tuners and fishmans. Runs new for 1300 USD but I got it new from a shop for 950. Not a single QC issue. I've heard the Indonesian ones are hit or miss though.
Might need to try them
@@KeyanHoushmandLive
Here's a link to check it out. There's also a 7 string version. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PDKMAHT6BR--jackson-pro-series-dinky-dk-modern-ash-ht6-baked-red
Everytime I try to play the Pro Series at guitar center it literally has no sound. That was always a red flat to me
It *_literally_* has no sound? Yeah, for an instrument whose sole purpose is to make sound that might not be good.
yeeaahBUDDY Exactly I have no clue why it doesn’t work. And of course it being Guitar Center they don’t give enough of a shit to swap out the floor models with a functioning one
@@saltyshrimppasta Ahh, yeah you should let them know so they can fix it.
Definitely would love to pickup a USA model but I think I'm going to pickup a plini strandberg before I do that. Also you look familiar would you happen to be in djent shitposting on FB lol?
I got no (huge) budget so gimme the orange Indonesian one.. sounds killer!
Can confirm, Pro Series tone knob is hella loose. I own a Pro Series HT6 and I'm almost afraid to touch it lmao
Not sure what’s up with push pull knobs ALWAYS being a loose and wiggly on every guitar I’ve bought. (Schecter and Jackson, in my experience.)
I'd get the Pro and put on some Juggernaut, the Ragnaroks are quite the wild boys, while the Juggs are more precise (more my style, honestly).
New usa's have 2 lines one with mahogany with flame maple and solid colors with roasted basswood mahogany ones comes with juggernaut set and basswood ones comes with ragnarok set
Bareknuckles make the difference every day. Which is why I load
Them in all my guitars.
Stainless steels frets also make a massive difference and they feel better - everyday.
The wood top on your USA is most likely much thicker - giving you better resonance and sustain.
I have a Ibanez Iron label FREAH 7 that came with EMG 707’s in it. It sounded like absolute mud.
I put rags in it and it made the difference. I would say Ibanez is doing more @1000$ then Jackson is.
My iron label came with Grotoh locking if tuners and a Hipshot bridge standard.
Hardware makes up a big part of the pie - but the other part is wood…
Better wood, especially quality craftsmanship is the difference between having fun, or constantly tuning…
I prefer to play my MusicMan Ball Family Reserve over my Ibanez IRLB but I prefer the rags over the jugs and my MM has the Jugs…🤦🏻♂️ so I guess it all comes down to how snooty we’re feeling at any given time…
I feel like the Pro tuning "wobbles" when you hit chords. While the USA tuning is tight. Anyone feel the same? (Could be the loosen nut?)
Pretty much I think that is the sole reason. The stock components shouldn't be that bad. I'm stuck with one shitty plastic nut in quarantine and I can assure you that it's not the best thing.
Tried the Jackson Pro Chris Broderick and own the USA Chris Broderick and it's a completely different guitar, Fender MiM I can hang with Fender USA and sometimes ESP and LTD but USA Jackson imo is a different league to the Indonesian ones.