Misha Mansoor's Guitar Recording Tips
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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What I learned:
1) Respect the Axefx
2) Buy the Axefx
same !!
word
done deal
Lmao
are there any option like fractal but with cheap version? lol
As someone who's been struggling with recording material at home, this is so helpful. Thank you so much, Misha (and you too, Jeff, for helping him with this). You guys are awesome.
I find doing a palm muted 12th fret power chord instead of open (in dropped tunings) gives the biggest clipping and chunkiest bass response, so I usually use that for setting my input levels properly.
thanks man! I tried that process out and it works well :)
Jeff Corcoran Glad it helped :)
But if you never actually perform a 12th fret power chord, then wouldn't this method kind of lose it's relevance?
Carlos Fapdoola Yes but it will ensure everything else never peaks beyond clipping point
Airtrooper719 XBL You won't be getting max ratio though
God that bass sounds HUGE.
That riff is just so huge when he quad tracked it
ikr when it came on wonder if he used the dingwall he has or not because that sounds like one to me
The shit just dropped when the bass hit
Except it's a guitar. 🙄🙄
It's a guitar lol)) just pitched the whole octave down
I use the Presonus AudioBox interface and Studio One. Very simple but works great.
And dude you’re extremely right about your recorded tone being different from what you’d normally play in the room. It’s all about fitting into the mix.
Misha, thank you so much. You're awesome for doing this for people for free on RUclips.
why am i watching this? i don't even have money to buy a t-shirt lol!
Mrfailstandstil 😂😂😂😂👍🏼
I’ll buy you a tshirt, bud. But it has to be a Periphery tshirt. 😛
Ali Dez lol I was a stuped bitch now I have a job and apartment
Now you don't even have money to buy socks
@@behindthen0thing sad truth 😔
Not only was this quite well done, it was extremely helpful and inspiring to me. You're too good to us, Misha! :) Please sir, make some more!
So here's an inexpensive interface with super expensive everything else haha
all jokes aside, this is great advice for those starting with home recording guitars. Never really did any quad tracking. It always seems like way too much guitar but then again most of my music uses keyboards as well which take up a lot of space in the mix. Might give it another shot though
Honestly, for instrument direct in and soft-amps the interface doesn't make a huge difference at all. When you are tracking multiple channels, with high dollar mics, then the cheap preamps and internals start to show their color.
OH!!!!!! just came back to watch this a second time, THE BAD THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FROM JUGGERNAUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just had the same revelation!
dakotatyler2 same here. that album is fuckin great.
Khong co Hinh
When I first got into guitar 6 months ago I watched this video and understood nothing. Since then i have rewatched it several times until now I actually understand exactly what Misha doing with everything. So that's fun :D
It's not just the gear you use, but how you record it too. It's amazing how different setups and configurations of pedals can make your tone different like what is plugged into what and where something is plugged into which is something I did not really think about before being in a tone clinic thingy 2 guitar teachers at my college put on.
I am a hobbyist, only using GarageBand for recording. Your tips on recording guitars has really helped the quality of my recordings, especially the guitars. Thank you!
This has to be the most informative video I have ever watched. Most people talk so far over your head. I can actually employ and now DO employ these tips and this has helped immensely.
please do this for superior drummer drums..would be killer to finally get a good snare sound XD
Oh sweet jesus yes. I've gotten my superior rig sounding... good but. It's still missing stuff.
InVerum i miss the punch in my snare..kick is kinda ok but snare is low as shieet
Mason Stewart i use the nir-z custom now..i think i miss something in the processing more than raw sounds..what i have now is kinda ok but not as punchy as his drums or modern day babylon ones..
Any tips on getting a meaty bass drum? I'm missing the SMACK, the steak against the wall. It isn't clear I've EQ'd it to death but I'm out of ideas.
ive achieved a good result layering other kicks from steve slate drums and addictive drums
Maybe this is a stupid question, but why he's routing the axe through the scarlett 2i2 rather than just using the Axe as his interface? Is it just to get rid of clipping artifacts?
***** So one cannot lower the Axe FX's rate?
Holy fuck it's Lyle.
You can monitor clipping with input monitors in your DAW. I'm not sure why he's using the scarlet. The scarlet does have nice preamps though
It's most likely as he's demoing/reviewing that piece of equipment. In other videos you can see he's got much fancier interfaces. It also allows him to switch between monitoring the DAW output, and the straight interface output as he mentioned, which is not as easy to do on an AXE FX as far as I know.
Holy shit, it's you...
I just started getting into home recording and this video has been a HUGE help to me. Thanks so much for posting it!
Another option for double tracking, if you have the riff the same for two bars, play it on one track, cut in half, stick that second half on another track and then you've got your double. Guitars tend to go out of tune in small increments quickly but when you add 4 guitars, for example, together, it'll give you a fair few phase issues.
One thing he hasn't picked up on here is tracking chord by chord. Tune your guitar to the chord you're playing, so for example, hold your A5 barre chord, hit each string and tune the E string TO that root A note - obviously as you go up the neck, the intonation will start to swag, so this is why you would do this for huge numbers of trackings - track that chord, move on to the next one. It takes ages but I doubt you'd find many people in rock production doing otherwise nowadays.
Everything sounds so good when Misha plays. 👌
Drums mixing tutorial plz!
I saw Periphery a few weeks ago in Japan and this guy was straight jumping into the crowd! I thought he looked familiar when I clicked on this video and then I read a comment saying he was in fact from Perihpery!
By the way, I had never listened to Periphery before in my life - I think they were opening for TDWP, but they definitely gained a fan that night! Sick show, guys!
Thanks dude, that was a really fun show for us haha!
***** No, I am serious. This was in Tokyo, Japan in 2014. I believe it was sometime in February. It is a yearly festival called "Scream Out Fest" that is hosted in Shibuya!
Are you kidding? 3 years later I discover my favorite band was opening for my second favorite band once. Holy shit thank god it was so far in Japan so I would have zero chances to attend anyway
i think you mean focusrite scarleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Hannibal burress?
I have one of these and every time I sit down to record I read the label and my brain goes "scarrrrleeeeeeettttttttttttttt"
its crazy to come back to this and realize hes tracking the bad thing
Misha's tone is godly
@SonoriaBR I'm aware lmao
Some drum mixing tips would be nice ;)
This is "The bad thing" he actually released this track :)
Mmm look at those deltoids big boi
Make your own.
I quad tracked my dual rectifier for the first time and it sounds amazing. I used a different setting for each track and it just sounds so huge. Couldn't be happier.
Thanks, Misha! You and Ola Englund have gave the best tips for recording that a year or two ago never existed.
guys can we talk about that bass tone for a second?
Darkglass B7K. Nuff said... ^^
@@CozyCatte i think that sounds more like a b7k micro x7 combo
Well, I already have a 2i4, been using it with guitar rig; now all I need is an axe fx lol
i know how that feel bro
you don't necessarily need axe fx. as a much cheaper alternative take a look at TH2 software. I think it hits way above its weight. Unless you are touring like misha, one or two really good software is all you need.
ADZCreations Yes, I know. I'm actually quite content with guitar rig. It serves my needs.
Drum recording/mixing tips plox?
ScottWDrums as long as it complements other instruments 🤔
This is a EXCELLENT video. I remember watching this around 7 years ago when it came out. I learned so much from this
Regarding the double tracked tone being duller part, usually what I do is for the sake of getting a tone, I monitor through the software(with a setting of as low latency as possible)first and pan it hard left/right, then play alone and compare with some commercial CD tone(especially those rhythm parts where only one guitar is playing) to get an idea/reference of where my tone stands. Then tweak it from there. After that, switch back to optimized sample rate settings for CPU power and use direct monitoring for tracking.
AWESOME!!!!!! MORE VIDS LIKE THIS OMG
Something so sexual about 0:50.
+Christian Tjore I didn't realize it, but now I can't unsee it. Thanks.
+Christian Tjore No idea what you're seeing.
+Yeon Ji Sung "Directly to the input" *sensual look at the camera*
Anthony Legay I too, cannot unsee that now.
+Christian Tjore Come on man!! LOL, really???
The slight reverb on the drums makes that riff.
now 7 years later, because of THIS video, i got myself a scarlett xD
Could you do a video on how to get a good metal sound with cheap gear, like for instance a Audiointerface like a line6 GX studio and non-professional audiosoftware like Pod Farm 2.5? That would be really helpful!
Holy fucking shit! That's when e wrote the Riff for "The Bad Thing" on Periphery's new album Juggernaut "Omega". So cool to hear the process of writing
That guitar is just so damn beautiful, can't take my eyes off of it!!!
What's that thing you're playing Misha? Looks almost like a guitar, but without the 7th, 8th and 9th string? Not dj00nt.
It's called an actual guitar
HammerDimension I apologise, my comment might have looked genuine to somebody who hasn't seen Steve Terreberry's "how to be djent".
And even so, it's no more of an actual guitar than any 7 or 8 string guitar. By your logic, the only true guitar is the original form, which only had one string.
No, by my logic a guitar has 6 strings, that is what a normal guitar has and so what I'm referring to as an "actual" guitar, and I'm simply making fun of extended range guitars since they have exploded in popularity in the last few years even though they are largely unnecessary (in the sense that most people aren't really utilizing them fully). Just poking fun though, I'm not against them.
Also I've never heard of a guitar having only 1 string at any point. The original "guitar" had multiple strings. Perhaps you are thinking of some older chordophone that predates the guitar.
elasdickband027 It's a shame when humour goes over heads...
***** The scale length for extended range guitars is larger due to the fact that regular 6 strings cannot produce the proper frequencies extended ranges can. So just drop tuning a 6 does not work, if you are going to talk in a technical aspect.
The bass sounds so huuuuge...
That is a good point about getting at a tone that works in the mix and not necessarily the same tone you would use to just play on it's own.
I mimicked everything of this video and I wanted to highlight something. Plugging the Axe Fx II the way Misha did here causes the signal to deteriorate. Axe Fx Output(s) are converting a digital signal into an analog one. That analog signal is then converted back to digital when it goes into the front inputs of the Scarlett 2i2. The Scarlett converts the Axe Fx analog signal back into a digital signal and then it comes back out as analog again. This process of converting the signal twice causes it to lose quality. I upgraded to a Scarlett 18i8 which has S/PDIF connections and when I got everything working well, it pretty much changed the game for me.
And how would you do it without Axe Fx II lol?
Guitar rig, mic to the amp, amplitube, re amping
Freeware. Lepou, Ignite Amps, Tse, all are easy to use and sounds great.
Luis Rafael Heredia
Could also pick up something like a Digitech GNX or an equivalent. I use a GNX 4 and it works pretty damn good.
The previous suggestions are all software vst plugins apart from Digitech GNX which is an external fx box. Guitar Rig 5 and Amplitube 3 are really good starting points if you're a beginner. The main battles you will come across is the quality of D.I. and guitar you have. Use a weak D.I. and cheapo guitar and these vsts will sound thin and poor. On the otherhand with a decent D.I. and quality guitar most people couldn't tell it's not a real amp. There is quite a lot of difference imho between using quality gear aswell like RME babyface vs Digidesign 003R via PRS S2 guitar. The 003R instrument D.I. makes all vst virtual amps sound awesome while Babyface is only adequate in comparison.
stormyandcold
So true.
I don't believe the 2i2 can monitor in stereo. I think misha caused a lot of headaches for Fractal's support team with this video. The 2i2 is like the number one complaint they get when people are trying to record at home lol.
I think you can monitor in studio on the 2i4. It's only 25 bucks more than the i2.
enny_tv Well, $50 more, but yeah you're right. The 2i4 is the lowest level Scarlet interface that does stereo monitoring. However most beginners wind up choosing the Solo or in this case the 2i2 because Misha did a video with it, and wind up getting screwed.
So I should definitely be grabbing the 2i4 then if I want a proper monitoring setup?
Jacob Zacharia Yeah at least, if you want stereo monitoring. I don't know how much you're willing to spend or what other kind of gear you have in your setup though. You'll have to check everything as far as inputs and outputs on your gear and see what has the correct I/O for you as far as cables and jacks and stuff. The next two from Focusrite are the 2i4 and 6i6 which have different routing options. I'm not too familiar with that other brands bring to the table though.
Axefx II, just going USB for now but I'd like to get an external soundcard interface like the Focusrite. Definitely leaning towards the 2i4.
Why are there 111 dislikes?? Misha is a cool guy, very talented, great player and come on.. that Riff at 12:01 is f$&%×ng killer
The best real world application of recording guitars i've seen. He hits all the important points, and gives examples. It's quick, to the point, and useful.
where is the drum tutorial that was done filming like 3 weeks ago?
Is it just me or this Misha Mansoor dude super cool and laid back? Informative vid too - especially tip about using palm muting to verify there's no headroom clipping AS WELL AS recording separate double guitars!
bought a 2i2 because bulb uses it and it works pretty flawless for me so far, love the multi-colored input signals!
most AD/DA converters were designed to sound best at -18dBFS average levels, and even peaks above -10dB might sound much worse than recording at lower levels, you can get the levels up in the mixing stage, parallel compression, limiting, and maximising, and in 24 bit you'll never have noise issues.
I'm a bass player, i randomly just pressed this vid. but honestly i learned so many tips bout this vid. keep it goin ! :)
lol showing us the bad thing back in February didn't even notice
The absolute key here is the tone he's getting to record this. What an absolute miracle
I'd like to openly express my unconditional love for that thick Bass tone you got there.
Hi, I see that you plugged 2 cables from your AXE FX to your interface but when you record shows only one channel, how does that work?, why 2 cables and not just 1?
One of the cords must be for his microphone that is not channeled into Cubase.
The Axe FX has stereo FX, (modulations, reverbs and delays). He's no using any FX, so he's just tracking one of the inputs. That's why you only see one track being recorded in Cubase
I noticed there were two inputs running into the interface from the Fractal, but you were tracking your guitar in mono. I presume there'll be occasions where you want to record in stereo but when tracking like this do you just hook up to both preamps then set the recording to one input, if so which one?
I own the same interface so this helps me a lot thanks!:) helps me when I record my band. Especially the palm muting idea
Why'd you use the focusrite audio interface, when you could use the USB straight from the axe to the computer?
+Pekka Kaukalo Cleaner, less latency, interface has better sound card etc...
+Pekka Kaukalo Stereo input into the interface??
+Pekka Kaukalo stereo ins and outs... direct recording.... latency is lower.... what kind of question is this?
Alex Wiernikowski uli uli vitun jutku.
I asked, because I thought the axe fx USB was there for a reason, but I guess it's just shit.
+Pekka Kaukalo you use it to connect to your computer to download and upload tones and use axe edit
Please Put some more Videos on the Channel..... its been 2 years Lol
big difference double tracks and hard panned. so simple but the effects are amazing
Great video! Funnily enough all these tips are things that I figured out on my own, over a long time... if I had watched a video like this at the beginning I'd be way ahead of where I am now.
I'm a newb but my impression is that what he says about tone "what sounds cool for jamming doesn't necessarily fit well with the rest of the mix" is so unbelievably true for band practice as well. Your guitar can sound like shit by itself but sound killer together with bass and drums. Crank that med up.
Geesh...I need a tutorial for the bass!!!!
Look up "Spectre Sound bass tutorial". Glen will show you how its done.
Awesome, now I just need to keep practising so I got something neat to record. I just tend to enjoy mixing and playing around more than actually composing and playing =D
Keep your levels in your DAW around -18, that equals 0DB ( in the analog world). Everything will sound better with your levels hovering around there. If you cant hear it, turn your monitors up, not the input,
why are there two cords plugged in the front?
RealGamerManz For stereo input. One cable would just be mono.
FearCycle
stereo input for what? Isn't it the same thing coming in on both sides?
I'm assuming the Axe FX can output stereo for things like delay, reverb, chorus etc. effects
Caleb Osborne
Caleb Osborne but late to the chat but yeah it can
Thanks for making this video Misha! Nice stuff.
Awesome, I would love to see a video on how you're axe fx works, what cables go where, what your axe fx amp settings are and more demos
Make a superior drummer video
You should give BFD 3, a try. I find it way better.
No bullshit. All great info. Definitely the most informative video on this topic.
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this Misha!
"You can make good guitar tracks using an inexpensive interface....btw this is my custom Jackson and my AxeFx II that I'll be running into it"....hahaha....subtle difference from my shitty $500 ibanez running direct into my interface.
I track all my stuff for my band with a schecter omen extreme 6 string with seymour duncan invader pickups and it sounds perfectly fine. Guitar ran me $170 used from guitar center and the pickups ran me $200 the wife got them for me as my Christmas gift last year.
Yes I'm fully aware that my pickups cost more than my guitar because that's basic math but it sounds killer👍
DRUM PROGRAMMING. HOW PLEASE.
omg this is the bad thing.
my turn now
i thought drums were GGD until i saw superior Drummer 2.0 in the drums tracks Goddammit it sounds phenomenal
That's an amazing tune you're working on, sir. Reminds me a little bit of King Crimson's sound.
i am really curious how will the guitar sound if u would use an PC software like Guitar Rig and record it like that using Scarlet, would really like to hear an actual record of it somewhere if anyone knows
fully possible. the axe fx is also just a simulation, just from a different company. guitar rig isn't bad imo, it just needs some playing around
klick2destruct all right, thanks for answer i've been searching around the RUclips lately seems people claim the same so i am probably going to get it these days. tnx again!
Good to hear :)
Just get some really good impulse response. The stock cabs that come with guitar rig aren't that great.
No reason whatsoever to record that hot with modern DAWs and 24 bit conversion. Zero. Go ahead, track at -18 and crank the track level or clip level, the noise will be negligible. Especially with a piece of gear like Axe FX, go line in, not through the pres. Then just track anywhere below clipping. Why get anywhere even close to 0?
Dude you need to do your homework as to why before you go posting that there is no reason for it. Digital needs to be tracked as hot as possible without clipping. Recording 101 basics. I've run a studio for 10 years and it's a rule to track hot.
Paul Hart
Yeah 101 for tape... But me neither see the point in recording hot on digital...Unless its peace of ish recording equipment and/or you're recording with mic... But with line in...
Paul Hart Paul, sorry but the "track digital as hot as possible" idea is simply a myth. 24-bit gives you 144dB of dynamic range- take advantage of it! Unless your system has a lot of self-noise (like in the days of tape), or you're using 16-bit (somewhat higher noise floor), your peaks should be hitting just under -6dB at the *absolute* hottest if you want to take advantage of all that headroom, though -18dB is much safer. Your digital system can't reproduce anything over 0, there's no need to go anywhere near there. And good Lord, all this withing even mentioning intersample peaks, which present their own myriad of reasons to keep your tracking levels low.
Paul, that's pretty amazing for you to make that statement, and then admit to running a studio for ten years. smdh... Like these gentlemen said, TAPE requires as hot a signal as possible because of tape hiss and overall high noise floor. Digital does NOT. Slamming the converters does absolutely NOTHING to your sound, however, clipping destroys it. Literally, it cuts off the waveform. Even in 16 bit digital, the noise floor is MUCH higher than the best tape recordings from the mid 90s. I don't mean to be an ass, but it seems that you're the one who hasn't done his homework. I can recommend a few good articles on digital theory/samplerate theory and overall knowledge of digital conversion if you like...
Unity gain! If it's clean, it stays! Well said, everyone.
I like to track 4 performed tracks but with two different setups. One pair of tracks on one setup, then another pair with a different pair. I then pan two different guitars hard left and right with the other two panned opposite my main tracks. I then pull that down in the mix and punch it when needed. It's a fun way to get some very cool tones.
There is a way you can use the same performance for double tracks. Just add a very tiny bit of chorus and move the track back by like 0.2 seconds.
+Ming Wu that would still sound so bland compared to actual double tracked guitars.
If your recording in the studio, your much better off just re-recording than trying to find some crazy work around so you can be lazy, if you're talking live set up however, and you are a single guitarist, what you've said, as well as bi/tri amping is the way to go.
Fuuny though they use to that during the 60s to double track guitars and vocals. It never really sounded right to me but thanks to new technology there's probably a plugin you can use to double track. But on a serious note only real double tracking sound authentic to my ears
I love seeing professional musicians not using pro tools or logic.
OH MY GOD HE'S PLAYING THE BAD THING I JUST REALIZED
Tip #1 sort of mistake, modern audio interfaces do not need that much of gain to maintain a good SNR, better go with -12 or -18 dbFS (the world "standards") so you can have headroom in your mix. #3 If you don't have the luxury of double tracking try copying the first track and then delay the second by 25-50ms, it's not as amazing as double tracking but does the job. The rest were pretty good tips. Keep making great vids and rock on \m/
I'm a neb at this. I recorded a little section on stranger things with guitar and bass and I find that dual tracking guitars makes the bass pops out in the mix.
I just got that interface today for my b day my mind is blown
Axe fx II or the scarllet?
@@eranelron The Scarlet dolo
Voxengo Stereo Touch. Brilliant tool for creating perceived double tracked guitars from a single track and Freebee too. Sounds best i reckon on semi dirty and clean guitar tracks. Lots o fun.
Your monitor is far too high...enough said
Or they should be tilted down a little bit.
Killer tone dude! Love the snare! Thick and cuts through!
excellent vid Misha, simple concise easy to understand
10:49 unfair comparison. You only took the FOUR tracks down by 1 db? That left them too loud in comparison to your original double-tracked ones. You have two extra tracks going along only 1 db quieter overall. Should have dropped them maybe 3 db. Would have been a fairer comparison between the 2 and 4 tracks. Nevermind me. I have no life and just watching random vids.
( 6:22) Actually if you record one guitar track, copy it to the next and nudge it just a tiny bit it sounds as if you did two performances, instead of just louder, I do it all the time cause I'm a lazy fucker and it sounds pretty great. But shit, what do I know take his advice not mine. He is Bulb ffs
No. Don't do that. Just don't. Not only does it create massive phase issues, it doesn't sound nearly as good as recording two different takes.
I beg to differ, it sounds just fine if you do it right, but opinions are like assholes ya know
jim lahey It decreases mono compability drastically, so unless it's some kind of phaser-ish effect you want, you should avoid it. Also, the thing you're describing could more easily be done with just putting a stereo widener plugin on the channel.
Adrian Scalamogna Yes, having a different amp/cab on the other side is something that's pretty standard, so rather that than delaying the other side a bit. Although I recommend recording a seperate take either way for the other side, it's not that hard guise. ):
Duplicating & Nudging the same take will have phase issues creating a smaller stereo image. Recording two separate tracks is standard because the difference in performance creates a wider stereo image which creates more room for things panned in the center of the mix.
13:00 Record two tracks; a raw signal alongside the processed tone.
That way you can always change later on things you're not happy with tone-wise with very little fuss. This also happens if you add more stuff to the mix at a later point and need to change the tone to fit the bigger picture better. This is very useful and saves you a lot of trouble if for your music you feel that the mental "mode" you need to be in for actual record performing is very different from where you are when mixing.
You mean a DI?
Yeah that's what they call it.
I have the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4. The PAD is such a nice feature because my guitars are really hot for some reason.
Personally, I prefer double tracking. Quad is too much and too blurry but also requires more EQ'ing cuts because of the frequency buildup. Bass sounds awesome. Drums not so much; love the hihat but man that snare sounds fake with all the reverb tail going on. Cool tutorial all in all. I guess we all have our own way of doing things.
I'd like to point out that recording a real amp always sounds best since you're actually moving air. DI amp sims sound cheap to me and lastly, when double-tracking you should always use a different guitar, amp, and mic for each track. At the least, different bridge and amp settings so you get more width; which is the whole point of doubling. And yeah--don't copy/paste takes because you will be chasing your tail for eternity trying to get it to sound good.
"So Um" 11:18
Heheheheheh
djent djent djent
Philip Mead korgan
hey Misha. That fuycking rocks dude. Thanks I don't feel so lonely out here treading this new ground and gift.
to record a riff 2 times and pan it left and right is so fcking great, it sounds incredible !
There's a Palmer PDI-CTC Tube DI under that Axe FX. Both under the Torpedo Live.
Interesting to see how my own trial and error methods compare to someone of your caliber. Most informative, cheers! :)
Very nice explanation and demo of quad tracking. Thumbs Up.!