Can you please create an article/video/table with popular apps not available on ARM64 and what alternatives you would propose for photo editing, video editing, ... A public alternatives list should also be good forcing function for Adobe and a like to not wait and lose (possible) users
Wayyyy to many RUclipsrs were reviewing this machine’s ability to video and photo edit. Not everybody does that. It’s like judging a fish’s ability to climb a tree. Thank you for a well rounded review.
Blows me away that the defining characteristics of a "good" and "bad" laptop is photo and video editing software? What percentage of people actually use Adobe software or equivalents? What about multi tasking with 5-10 windows in 3-4 browser sessions and using visual code to build apps, assemblies, and solutions? There are other jobs out there that aren't content creators. Maybe one day other content creators will figure out that the world doesn't revolve around them.
Exactly, if I got this it would be for a content consumption device, web browsing, hopefully eventually oxygen not included etc. It reminds me of how the average purchaser of an iPad Pro is not actually a professional and got it because it's design is so much better than the regular iPad.
Exactly right. That is the problem with the reviewers. Since all they do is video edit (which is less than 1 percent of total population), their all reviews are based on thunberbolt 3, lightroom, video editing. Its like who gives a shit mate. This always bugs me.
If you don't Game or use Adobe apps this thing flies. I wouldn't know mine didn't have an Intel processor if I didn't know better. I'm absolutely thrilled with mine. Incredible display. Reviewers are all media creators, they've all come to ARM devices with a heavy level of bias. I'd happily recommend this to almost anyone.
This has to be the best review I have seen. It's one of the first that I have seen which doesn't automatically assume that 'Pros' only use computers for Photo and Video editing. This review takes a fair and balanced look at what the device is, what it offers and does point out it's weaknesses. Thanks for the fair, balanced review Daniel.
Thank you for this review. I'm a little biased as I'm currently typing this on my Surface Pro X, but when I was deciding to purchase it, I noticed that every "bad" review brought up the subject of photo or video editing, which I simply do not do on ANY laptop. It struck me as such a niche complaint. On the other hand, the Pro X is, as you say, a niche product for the niche I'm working in (MS Office + Scrivener). Love the keyboard (vague bounce notwithstanding), the screen size, the pen storage, etc. Battery life is all right for me and my uses. The LTE is great and I used it on the road for a video conference just the other day. I could lounge in the backseat while we were cruising down the interstate. The cameras were excellent, as were the microphones. Like you, I may just opt to use this all the time for my video conferences.
Please do me a HUGE favour: try to download Metamoji Note Premium (CAD 31) from MS store. I am a student. Your answer will greatly help me decide whether SPX meets my notetaking needs.
Hi! I'm thinking about to buy one Pro X for myself to work, most of the time I use O365 products as specially power point and excel. So my question is could you use Office apps with full functionality? I can't find a proper answer anywhere on the web. Thank you for your help. Cheers
I bought one the back end of last year, I’m just a normal guy & it does EVERYTHING I need on a daily basis if this sounds like you then get it! There are far too many so called professional reviewers who are just looking for problems, ADOBE professional stuff costing hundreds of bucks won’t run “this automatically means the Surface Pro X is shit”! My car stalls when I try to run it up a 80 degree slope therefore it’s shit as well, same logic! & just as flawed.
At last an intelligent look at this device. I bought the Surface Go LTE for portability to do adult work, a complete package with the keyboard, pen and mouse. Then I saw the unveiling of this device, and Microsoft in New York was gracious and exchanged that device for this new one, I don't regret it. The biggest plus, a bigger screen and the device still fits into the same compartment in my work bag. I listen to music while commuting via metro, and I use this device because I hate notification interruptions while using a phone, and the reproduction is superb with a Sony WH-H900N headphones. I even started watching movies on this device! Thanks for a fair, impartial and sound review.
Yes! Thank you! This review explains what actualy is Surface Pro X. I tried explaining to people but they don't get the idea of portability and what ARM chips will bring, no heat, no fan noise. When I am not working I just want to relax, scroll the internet or stream a movie and with my laptop, as thin and light as it is (MacBook Pro 15 inch retina, with bootcamp windows) sometimes it heats up in my lap, it gets heavy to hold while watching or scrolling. I tavel alot and carring a 4.5 lbs laptop does get heavy. This Surface Pro X is a goto device for me.
2:58 You didn’t mention the AI used with the front facing cam. Not only is it great quality. It makes your eyes look like you are looking directly at the camera. Eye contact during video calls. Awesome.
It's amazing that we have options of Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm right now. It's just too bad Microsoft didnt work on ARM w desktop OS earlier or at least continue Windows phone OS. Then maybe native ARM support would be much further (as it is with iOS and Android), and Intel wouldn't have been able to sit on its butt all these years.
I'm okay with Android as it exists now, especially how Samsung has made it their own. I have an S10+ but I'm really looking at getting the Duo. I'm not sure whether I can stand to leave the comfort of samsung or if I'm going to feel better staying.
Good point but I'm not sure it would've helped. UWP is the successor to Windows Phone apps. Not x86 conversion to ARM which Windows Phone never supported anyway.
Steven Rogalsky very well point delivered. Sometimes I wish the share across the board in hardware sales were equal between Intel AMD and Qualcomm. But then I guess in the spirit of competition it’s not about who does what better, but rather who gets here 1st and repetitively markets the name 👀
Finally, someone who understands how 99% of consumers use this product and don't instantly discredit it because it doesn't run Adobe apps....Why can't reviewers comprehend the fact that not everyone is a content creator/video editor?
The fact that we are comparing ARM SoCs to 10th gen intel U series CPUs shows how amazing ARM is now, those U series CPUs are 15W+ CPUs, a more accurate CPU would be the Y series CPUs and those are still 9W+ compared to the 7W of the SQ1
@@raresmacovei8382 the 15W+ Ice lak CPUs are definitely a bit better but again those are 15W+ CPUs vs 7W SoCs. And yeah Ryzen 4000 on laptops will obliterate everything when talking about pure performance, im definitely excited to see how much better they are than intel's CPUs.
Great video as usual. I was curious if you've had to do some extensive Excel work like some big pivot tables that type of thing how does it work with that type of work?
Performance with Excel would be great, and the 3:2 aspect ratio is awesome to have for Office, but this is still a 13in device, so the screen real estate is on the small side. That being said, having ready touch input is great for navigation in Excel.
Surface pro 7 design + platinum + LTE + 10hr battery with LTE on + surface Pro X keyboard with pen + Intel processor + usb A(because I still have many pen drives and Seagate hard disks) + usb c + headphone jack = my dream surface pro device.
just like any tech stuff, it’s interesting and desirable, until they actually come out... then all of a sudden I become a rational consumer... more like a consumer that rations income after bills are hopefully paid
When are you going to do an updated review on the Pro x? Also I hear that MS will have a 64 bit emulator sometime this year? Is it true? I spent a week in conferences writing with pen in one note and slack and emails. 12 hrs a day, 2 TV shows when I got home and I was at 20% battery life when I plugged in the charger and went to bed ... Now I'm working at home with a VPN and remote desktop and it's working great
I am so glad to finally see you do a review of this. some of the positive reviews I have seen have been from some pretty questionable people and I could see that the bad reviews tended to always focus on what it couldn't do rather than what it could do. you're reviews are always balanced and you really know what you are talking about. I ordered one and then I got scared I did the wrong thing. but I am exactly the kind of user this is aimed at so I am grateful to hear the real pros and cons about this. where did you get the sticker on the back? I really want something to add a dash of color and it looks really good. is it dbrand?
I would love that CPU in the surface go shape. Even with the thick bezels, for that 'hold it because you are using it as an e-reader' jam. But more performance would be nice, and more battery life, and fixing that issue with tokenbroker that x86 is currently experiencing. I hope the ARM version does not have that bug.
Perhaps the new Snapdragon 765, being lower cost / power, will make its say to the Surface Go. But yeah, it would be awesome to have a newer, thinner (and thinner bezeled) Go.
Ive had this for about 3 weeks as my main work laptop. i love it. I'm not installing photoshop, or premiere pro etc... Edge ARM64 works really well and give my 95% apps that i use (gmail, slack, hubspot, o365, google drive). I use a couple apps in emulated x86 mode such as Zoom and VLC and I cant tell if they lag or not. Overall, i love the form factor, the mobility, the battery, and that i can charge it via PD charger USB-C. one charger to rule them. I plugged it into my voltage reader and got 19.5V @ 1.5A for 30W which is about half as fast as the included stupid proprietary brick and connector. BUT, it still charges in a couple of hours, so i'm good to ditch the brick. I dont use the pen, or the lte (takes me 30 seconds to tether in the occasional instance that i'm not in wifi). I do have a powerful desktop that i use for heavy x86 apps and games, but i use this device to replace my laptop that comes with me to work everyday and on trips. I'm not sure if this would work if it was your ONLY computer. Happy to answer more questions if anyone has any.
This is a great review and the kind I can use because it reflects real-world use of the machine over time, not just casual use. I agree, this is a fantastic machine and I am super happy with mine. I do long for the MicroSD slot.
I want one so bad. People are not understanding what this device is, which is crazy because it's mostly techies that doesn't understand. Daniel is one of few that actually understands this device.
RUclips reviewers expect to edit video just because they happen to want to but weren't anyway as they all own iMacs. Precisely none of them were using Surface Pros to edit video anyway.
I'm watching it on my Pro X and I'm really loving it! Everything I need works great especially since the new chromium edge allows me to create apps for you tube and other sites. I'm So glad I bought it. Is funny, I'm coming from a Chromebook and the battery life on this is way better. Go figure. As Much as I like ChromeOS i really got sick of trying to make the android office apps do what I need. I'm so happy to be in full office again. My only complaint is that Microsoft needs to do better with touchscreen stuff. Is fine and I prefer tablet mode when I'm surfing or streaming, but in production mode with the keyboard I get a little frustrated witty touch sometimes . And that's a windows thing not an arm thing. But I am so glad to be in windows again. Especially with the chromium edge. The full version dropped a couple days ago.
Great review, but as a Galaxy Book2 owner I suggest to make a series of infuse videos during 2020 showing how quick Microsoft addresses weaknesses of the arm platform. For me the lack of decent apps and games in ms store makes this device inferior to iPad Pro.
For me on Verizon in a major city it's fast. I easily get over 150 down and 50 up and I've seen the speeds go higher, that's just the average at my home. With Verizon if you have an unlimited smartphone plan you can get a truly unlimited tablet plan. I use my Pro X on LTE exclusively and I've been chomping through over 500GB on the Pro X each month and Verizon hasn't throttled me at all and I've been doing this since the launch of the Pro X.
I've installed VSCode (it starts up in around 1s but seems responsive enough in use), Also have WSL1 installed (not brave enough yet to jump onto Fast track to see if WSL2 is available) with Ubuntu and have Java/Python and the JetBrains IDEs for both all running under WSL and it seems very quick. That's the good news, the bad is I'm only playing at this as a hobby and I personally wouldn't go this way if my livelihood depended on it but for messing around I love the SPX. Forgot to add, to run the Jetbrains suite under WSL I had to buy X410 so GUI apps would run.
@@andybyard1154 Thanks! I use vscode for remote coding and wsl for ssh. My real codes and projects are on the company's server. It seems this is the only tablet fit for my idea of mobile coding. Neither iPad nor any android tablet can do this.
I think the biggest gripe most have with this device is the cost-benefit factor. You lose a lot, but gain minimal. In other words, there are other options capable of doing these tasks, but at a much more appealing value.
Mine just came in over the holidays - can't wait to pick it up at the office and travel with it over the next few weeks. I may still keep my Surface Laptop 3 close by tho.
I am close to buy one but what I really wanted to know is if using office 365 I'll have all the features available. For example, shall I be able to open two excel files simultaneously?
@@besweeeet2 no one I doubt. Its just not what it is. The more interesting question would be how many people use it as a tablet (generally). I do quite a lot. Its nice to pull the keyboard away and use your finger to scroll on websites.
Same as any other Windows computer because it runs Windows 10 Home. If you stick to legitimate websites and applications, you'll be fine with the built in Microsoft Defender. If you're going to be visiting dodgy websites and downloading dodgy applications... You may be safer with a third party antivirus software. But Microsoft has done a good job making Windows more secure. I use my computer for photo editing, office, light browsing and light gaming, haven't bought anti virus in years and never had a problem!
I can see by the fact you're using Edge Chromium for ARM from the icon design this video will already be much more accurate than most reviews. It doesn't run Photoshop. Who runs Photoshop on a Surface Pro anyway?
@@saidravlyanyone who uses an iPad Pro. Same price and cannot even run Photoshop. If you require Photoshop you'd buy something like a MacBook or Dell XPS surely.
@@bradavon Bruh, ipad and surface is different. ipad is ipad, it runs ipadOS but surface idk what it supposed to be a tablet or a laptop. If we say it is a tablet, it got crazy price on it. If we say its a laptop, it can't do so many thing. Also buying surface then buy a macbook is a non-sense choice PS : Also if u broke, i dont say you must buy ipad pro. Just grab ipad 6 or 7 for $400. It got the same function
@@saidravly I know. I just meant it's also expensive and no one questions it's limitations. Apple even sell it as a replacement for a Windows laptop. Both but people are fixated a tablet can be a tablet if its running IPadOS. I said you'd get a MacBook in-place of a Surface Pro. Maybe a Surface Book. Surface Pro has never been a powerhouse. It's not supposed to be.
Bought it a few weeks ago but was dead on arrival, which sucks. Replacement is arriving next Monday. I needed a thin and light Office machine to take on the go and replace my Surface Pro and I hope I made the right choice.
@@ryanodonnell2113 Thank you for the info. I'll stop by a Microsoft store soon and see if they let me try Lightroom and photoshop on the floor models. I absolutely love the design of the Pro X and weight difference from my surface book would make traveling a lot easier.
After looking at this today at the Microsoft store I am definitely interested. I have a surface pro 5th gen with LTE which is great but this does look and feel a little sleeker. As someone who works in Healthcare IT 99% of my day is spent in Microsoft products or in a VDI. Thanks for the review.
Hi, I eant to know Is this device best for MS Viso app or corel draw, I have to do lots of diagrams and designs on go. Any one knows about this device. Is it ok for these softwares.
Have been waiting for this video, enjoyable and informative as usual. I finally played with one in-store last week and was impressed with its size - it's notably slimmer than the Pro 7 and has that great modern design. Hopefully they make a Surface Go size device soon and will upgrade from my Go. Agree that this won't suit everyone but it'll be fine for me. Battery life is my biggest complaint with then Go so this would be a big upgrade.
I'm still rocking a surface pro 4, it's running beautifully, will probably upgrade to the successor to this, I don't understand though why this device wouldn't have a headphone jack, it's not like they had no room lol, just doesn't make sense.. Maybe so people will buy Microsoft surface headphones
I didn't think I'd miss the headphone jack but I do (if only for watching RUclips videos, all my music is on my phone+earphones), definitely won't be splashing out on a pair of the surface ones.
@@andybyard1154 I have numerous headphones that I use wired and wireless with my devices, but when I want to listen to music or something properly, and not just out of convenience it's always with a cable either headphone Jack or lately USB to USBC, on my surface pro 4 with my beyerdynamic amiron wireless headphones, I suppose the new surface pro X supports audio out from one of it's USBC ports?
Does anyone know if macro can be run in excel on Surface Pro X? I have an iPad Pro and as you know, macro is not working in Excel. By the way, this is a good review. Thanks.
Benny Loh - should work no issue on the Surface Pro X. The standard Office programs are all available for Windows On Arm and are the full-fledged versions.
Thank you for the Test. Can you Please Publish the cool Wallpaper from your Desktop? Im excided for the Performance from the ProX. I Love the Device! The WakeUp Speed is really extrem Fast! Faster then all the other Windows Devices, and the Wake Up Process ist really Reliable. Great!
Last weekend the surface pro x 8gb plus 256 HD was $400 off. Sounded like a good deal. Trying to read between the lines....Most of the negative comments I hear are only about video and picture editing. Which I do not do. I think things will be fine.
The Surface Pro X is beautiful. If, and this is a big if, you can find the ARM versions of all the primary apps that you need to run, then this would be ideal. It's definitely a conundrum since the vast majority of the apps out there are made for desktop x64, and the less sleek, older form factor (but updated internals) Surface Pro 7 would run those apps better. Its bewildering that the ARM version of even Microsoft Edge wasn't available at launch, but it's good to see it available now. This was a risky move for Microsoft, with the Surface Pro vying against the likes of the iPad Pro to be the ultimate lightweight hybrid that can replace most user's laptops in functionality, but I see that Microsoft is "playing the long game" with this move, by pushing the more mobile ready ARM processor onto their newest Surface form factor, while relegating the one that can run x64 apps onto the previous form factor with USB C (finally), fast charging and updated processor selections.
@@msp5138 True, but any of the Surface Pro 2-in-1’s although that have the form factor are also barely functional as standalone tablets. This may change a bit when Windows 11 finally unlocks the Amazon Store Apps you may have a slightly better tablet experience with the right apps. Still if you are looking for a better computer the Surface Pro 7 is still a better experience than the Surface Pro X or X2. Apple will probably not add full computer functionality to their iPad Pro line because ultimately they don’t want to cannibalize their MacBook sales, but if they decided to flip the switch and upgraded their iPad OS, the hardware can more than handle it, especially with their M1 iPad Pro lineup.
Here is my thing at the price point please dont tell me that you have everyday application issues.. I have a 2-1 a yoga 730 and it has no issues with any of those programs and I am not dropping 200 beans on a keyboard .. I am a tech guy and the designer aspect doesnt mean much to me.. There are too many limitations on this guy .. I'm good. ..great video and you were very honest and I appreciate it.. For me I need more than pretty I need a machine
Your needs are not everyone elses needs. And if you were actually tech guy you'd appreciate the variety of devices on the market that are able to meet the different needs of different people...
Nice review. I think the Surface Pro X is a great step forward in the company's attempt to experiment a little in the consumer pc space and can't wait for them to iterate it some more. Personally, I'm ready for a Surface device that has the look and feel of a Surface Book 2 clipboard with monstrous battery life and dedicated graphics while only weighing about half a pound. One can dream lol.
@@bradavon With the keyboard it's about 3.62 lbs and without, the clipboard is about 1.59 lbs. It would be a much better tablet experience if they kept the clipboard under 1lb and if it had MUCH better battery life.
@@bradavon Not at all. Things have gotten thinner/lighter with better battery life already. Look at computers and smartphones over the years. It's inevitable, but I am just having a bit of wishful thinking. No expectations at all.
Like you Dan, I'm a Winsider user, so Office + Edge Canary fine, but extra security layers: VPN, Opera, Brave, could be a challenge? Any good for multiple apps running in background (constantly switching)? Can it run Adobe Reader DC as a minimum? Google Maps & Earth - my list is endless! Would like to move back to Win10 from MBP if at all possible/practical.
I think microsoft must have a unique naming ased on what product made for , fo example a regullar user will not notice that this surface pro X is not strong enough as surface pro type , so its better to give another name for surface pro X , for example maybe Surface Pro Long life or surface pro connect
hi, Daniel, Thank you for your reviews, about the surface go. I was using a Chromebook, but i was having some headaches with it. It has problems with the display, so, i went for a return. and decided for a surface go. its a great device, I'm not a heavy user so for me its ok. so thank you, and blessings, keep doing a great job, with all the reviews.
Does running Ubuntu under WSL count? If so, yes. Spent a happy weekend getting the Jetbrains Java & Python IDE's up and running (hobby activity Not Production work).
You did a great job I like you emphasize that you should only get this based of individual needs and you pointed out what it is good for and what it it is not good for. I have always been a surface fan boy. But I will never say it is the end all device it is for a specific class of user. But I also say if one never plans to use the surface as tablet at least 30-50% of the time then they should turn to a different device. You buy this device for form factor and aesthetics. Not for performance.
there are so many laptops that are literally light and versatile and yet cost way less and more powerful than this device, yet i dont undestand why people still support it as a laptop replacement?
I think you didn't discuss it's most useful feature--a note taking and drawing as a tablet. This especially useful for students but professionals take meeting notes. It's really an iPad pro killer. As a laptop there are better options.
I take notes daily (handwritten in OneNote) and I've used Surface Go + Surface pen (good but startup / wake time blunts it's usefulness), 2018 iPad+Pencil (very workable but nowhere to store the pencil), SPX+Flat pen = Dream machine for note taking. Haven't used an iPad pro but would guess it is way better than the 2018 iPad (the 1st non-Pro that supported pencil 1), Not sure the ProX kills the iPad pro by this criteria I'd say they were fairly well matched. I went SPX because I like the surface line and the form factor and prefer W10 to IOS. Totally agree with "As a laptop there are better options".
Why can't they give us an intel chipset with all the cool features of the X? I'm seriously torn between the X and 7. I do mainly use my surface for simple tasks, reading, browsing, note-taking, but every now and then I like to see how far I can push it. Like running Civ V on my surface pro 4 (it works but gets hot!) The surface pro 4 has been my friend for many years now and I love it, but I'm starting to feel the itch to upgrade and can not decide. Wish I could just borrow a surface pro x for awhile. Obviously, since I still have the 4, I'm not the type to upgrade every time something new comes out, so I dont want to grab the X and find out ARM development is going to be slow as molasses and run into all kinds of issues in the future. When does the 8 come out? lol
I really wanted to like this device, I wish Microsoft would do more to entice the ARM development community. I wish I was the target audience for this device though as I really wanted to get it.
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Can you please create an article/video/table with popular apps not available on ARM64 and what alternatives you would propose for photo editing, video editing, ...
A public alternatives list should also be good forcing function for Adobe and a like to not wait and lose (possible) users
Windows Central can you please tell me where you got that sling for the back of your surface X?
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Wayyyy to many RUclipsrs were reviewing this machine’s ability to video and photo edit. Not everybody does that. It’s like judging a fish’s ability to climb a tree. Thank you for a well rounded review.
Blows me away that the defining characteristics of a "good" and "bad" laptop is photo and video editing software? What percentage of people actually use Adobe software or equivalents? What about multi tasking with 5-10 windows in 3-4 browser sessions and using visual code to build apps, assemblies, and solutions? There are other jobs out there that aren't content creators. Maybe one day other content creators will figure out that the world doesn't revolve around them.
Exactly, if I got this it would be for a content consumption device, web browsing, hopefully eventually oxygen not included etc. It reminds me of how the average purchaser of an iPad Pro is not actually a professional and got it because it's design is so much better than the regular iPad.
My problem is its price for the fact its still not fully ready. Too many programs run on emulations.
Hit the nail on the head. You buy the tool built for you. Every mixed review shows Adobe not working well because most other apps work well.
Exactly right. That is the problem with the reviewers. Since all they do is video edit (which is less than 1 percent of total population), their all reviews are based on thunberbolt 3, lightroom, video editing. Its like who gives a shit mate. This always bugs me.
If you don't Game or use Adobe apps this thing flies. I wouldn't know mine didn't have an Intel processor if I didn't know better. I'm absolutely thrilled with mine. Incredible display. Reviewers are all media creators, they've all come to ARM devices with a heavy level of bias. I'd happily recommend this to almost anyone.
This has to be the best review I have seen. It's one of the first that I have seen which doesn't automatically assume that 'Pros' only use computers for Photo and Video editing.
This review takes a fair and balanced look at what the device is, what it offers and does point out it's weaknesses.
Thanks for the fair, balanced review Daniel.
Agreed. When I saw people say, "Yeah it can't run Photoshop" I was literally like "wtf? Who cares?" That right there is a niche market too.
Thank you for this review. I'm a little biased as I'm currently typing this on my Surface Pro X, but when I was deciding to purchase it, I noticed that every "bad" review brought up the subject of photo or video editing, which I simply do not do on ANY laptop. It struck me as such a niche complaint.
On the other hand, the Pro X is, as you say, a niche product for the niche I'm working in (MS Office + Scrivener). Love the keyboard (vague bounce notwithstanding), the screen size, the pen storage, etc. Battery life is all right for me and my uses.
The LTE is great and I used it on the road for a video conference just the other day. I could lounge in the backseat while we were cruising down the interstate. The cameras were excellent, as were the microphones. Like you, I may just opt to use this all the time for my video conferences.
Please do me a HUGE favour: try to download Metamoji Note Premium (CAD 31) from MS store. I am a student. Your answer will greatly help me decide whether SPX meets my notetaking needs.
Hi!
I'm thinking about to buy one Pro X for myself to work, most of the time I use O365 products as specially power point and excel. So my question is could you use Office apps with full functionality? I can't find a proper answer anywhere on the web. Thank you for your help. Cheers
What RAM do you have? How much is your system using on average doing browsing, MS Office and others...?
I bought one the back end of last year, I’m just a normal guy & it does EVERYTHING I need on a daily basis if this sounds like you then get it!
There are far too many so called professional reviewers who are just looking for problems, ADOBE professional stuff costing hundreds of bucks won’t run “this automatically means the Surface Pro X is shit”! My car stalls when I try to run it up a 80 degree slope therefore it’s shit as well, same logic! & just as flawed.
Loving the Surface Pro X. Sold my IPad Pro and don't regret it.
Ditched my Surface Pro X for an iPad Pro and don’t regret it 😅
Ok which one is it? I have an ipad pro but its not working out.
@@Denis-zo6qo Warning, Warning, iTroll Alert.
No one goes from a computer to a big iPhone...lol
@@CraigThomahawk iPads aren't computers, they are big iPhones. End of story...
At last an intelligent look at this device. I bought the Surface Go LTE for portability to do adult work, a complete package with the keyboard, pen and mouse. Then I saw the unveiling of this device, and Microsoft in New York was gracious and exchanged that device for this new one, I don't regret it. The biggest plus, a bigger screen and the device still fits into the same compartment in my work bag. I listen to music while commuting via metro, and I use this device because I hate notification interruptions while using a phone, and the reproduction is superb with a Sony WH-H900N headphones. I even started watching movies on this device! Thanks for a fair, impartial and sound review.
This is the best and the most accurate review for SPX so far.
Yes! Thank you! This review explains what actualy is Surface Pro X. I tried explaining to people but they don't get the idea of portability and what ARM chips will bring, no heat, no fan noise. When I am not working I just want to relax, scroll the internet or stream a movie and with my laptop, as thin and light as it is (MacBook Pro 15 inch retina, with bootcamp windows) sometimes it heats up in my lap, it gets heavy to hold while watching or scrolling. I tavel alot and carring a 4.5 lbs laptop does get heavy. This Surface Pro X is a goto device for me.
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Confirmed. The surface pro x has the Danny Rubino of cameras.
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2:58 You didn’t mention the AI used with the front facing cam. Not only is it great quality. It makes your eyes look like you are looking directly at the camera. Eye contact during video calls. Awesome.
AI feature with Skype is not here yet! But when it does arrive we'll revisit it.
It's amazing that we have options of Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm right now. It's just too bad Microsoft didnt work on ARM w desktop OS earlier or at least continue Windows phone OS. Then maybe native ARM support would be much further (as it is with iOS and Android), and Intel wouldn't have been able to sit on its butt all these years.
I'm okay with Android as it exists now, especially how Samsung has made it their own. I have an S10+ but I'm really looking at getting the Duo. I'm not sure whether I can stand to leave the comfort of samsung or if I'm going to feel better staying.
Good point but I'm not sure it would've helped. UWP is the successor to Windows Phone apps. Not x86 conversion to ARM which Windows Phone never supported anyway.
Steven Rogalsky very well point delivered. Sometimes I wish the share across the board in hardware sales were equal between Intel AMD and Qualcomm. But then I guess in the spirit of competition it’s not about who does what better, but rather who gets here 1st and repetitively markets the name 👀
Finally, someone who understands how 99% of consumers use this product and don't instantly discredit it because it doesn't run Adobe apps....Why can't reviewers comprehend the fact that not everyone is a content creator/video editor?
The fact that we are comparing ARM SoCs to 10th gen intel U series CPUs shows how amazing ARM is now, those U series CPUs are 15W+ CPUs, a more accurate CPU would be the Y series CPUs and those are still 9W+ compared to the 7W of the SQ1
And i eveb remember how people would say that the Y series CPUs weren't bad because they weren't meant to be used for photoshop and video editing lol
ARM is still behind Ice Lake though. Zen2 APUS will obliterate both as well.
@@raresmacovei8382 the 15W+ Ice lak CPUs are definitely a bit better but again those are 15W+ CPUs vs 7W SoCs.
And yeah Ryzen 4000 on laptops will obliterate everything when talking about pure performance, im definitely excited to see how much better they are than intel's CPUs.
8th Gen.
This convinced me to get one. I have a Surface Book 2 as my primary device but there are times when I need something lighter and this is perfect.
Great video as usual. I was curious if you've had to do some extensive Excel work like some big pivot tables that type of thing how does it work with that type of work?
Performance with Excel would be great, and the 3:2 aspect ratio is awesome to have for Office, but this is still a 13in device, so the screen real estate is on the small side. That being said, having ready touch input is great for navigation in Excel.
Good question. Anyone?
What RAM do you have? How much is your system using on average doing browsing, MS Office and others...?
@@zacharyboddy3357 screen size is a trade off for portability. 15" displays are on the big size.
Surface pro 7 design + platinum + LTE + 10hr battery with LTE on + surface Pro X keyboard with pen + Intel processor + usb A(because I still have many pen drives and Seagate hard disks) + usb c + headphone jack = my dream surface pro device.
Awesome device and review. Thanks for not shoting it down for what it cannot do
just like any tech stuff, it’s interesting and desirable, until they actually come out... then all of a sudden I become a rational consumer... more like a consumer that rations income after bills are hopefully paid
When are you going to do an updated review on the Pro x? Also I hear that MS will have a 64 bit emulator sometime this year? Is it true? I spent a week in conferences writing with pen in one note and slack and emails. 12 hrs a day, 2 TV shows when I got home and I was at 20% battery life when I plugged in the charger and went to bed ... Now I'm working at home with a VPN and remote desktop and it's working great
I am so glad to finally see you do a review of this. some of the positive reviews I have seen have been from some pretty questionable people and I could see that the bad reviews tended to always focus on what it couldn't do rather than what it could do. you're reviews are always balanced and you really know what you are talking about. I ordered one and then I got scared I did the wrong thing. but I am exactly the kind of user this is aimed at so I am grateful to hear the real pros and cons about this. where did you get the sticker on the back? I really want something to add a dash of color and it looks really good. is it dbrand?
They're all about what it can't go. Weird.
What's that game at 15:00?
I would love that CPU in the surface go shape. Even with the thick bezels, for that 'hold it because you are using it as an e-reader' jam. But more performance would be nice, and more battery life, and fixing that issue with tokenbroker that x86 is currently experiencing. I hope the ARM version does not have that bug.
Perhaps the new Snapdragon 765, being lower cost / power, will make its say to the Surface Go. But yeah, it would be awesome to have a newer, thinner (and thinner bezeled) Go.
What's Tokebreaker?
Wallppaper link :)
hdqwalls.com/wallpaper/1920x1080/synthwave-knight-4k
Great video! Where can I find that wallpaper?
Ive had this for about 3 weeks as my main work laptop. i love it. I'm not installing photoshop, or premiere pro etc... Edge ARM64 works really well and give my 95% apps that i use (gmail, slack, hubspot, o365, google drive). I use a couple apps in emulated x86 mode such as Zoom and VLC and I cant tell if they lag or not. Overall, i love the form factor, the mobility, the battery, and that i can charge it via PD charger USB-C. one charger to rule them. I plugged it into my voltage reader and got 19.5V @ 1.5A for 30W which is about half as fast as the included stupid proprietary brick and connector. BUT, it still charges in a couple of hours, so i'm good to ditch the brick.
I dont use the pen, or the lte (takes me 30 seconds to tether in the occasional instance that i'm not in wifi).
I do have a powerful desktop that i use for heavy x86 apps and games, but i use this device to replace my laptop that comes with me to work everyday and on trips. I'm not sure if this would work if it was your ONLY computer.
Happy to answer more questions if anyone has any.
Is the windows version on the SPX have full support to be a Remote Desktop (RDP) ?
Happy New Year Dan, thanks for all your videos last year. Kind regards Richard U.K
Great review, would you buy it again when they update it?
Are the speakers 2 w each or 1 w each
This is a great review and the kind I can use because it reflects real-world use of the machine over time, not just casual use. I agree, this is a fantastic machine and I am super happy with mine. I do long for the MicroSD slot.
Where did you get the wallpapers?
Can you run latex on it?
Where can I get the wallpaper?
I want one so bad. People are not understanding what this device is, which is crazy because it's mostly techies that doesn't understand. Daniel is one of few that actually understands this device.
RUclips reviewers expect to edit video just because they happen to want to but weren't anyway as they all own iMacs. Precisely none of them were using Surface Pros to edit video anyway.
@@bradavon True.
As always Dan's reviews give real insight into windows machines.
Where did you get that wallpaper?
Really good, comprehensive review. So much better the others on youtube.
I'm watching it on my Pro X and I'm really loving it! Everything I need works great especially since the new chromium edge allows me to create apps for you tube and other sites. I'm So glad I bought it. Is funny, I'm coming from a Chromebook and the battery life on this is way better. Go figure. As Much as I like ChromeOS i really got sick of trying to make the android office apps do what I need. I'm so happy to be in full office again. My only complaint is that Microsoft needs to do better with touchscreen stuff. Is fine and I prefer tablet mode when I'm surfing or streaming, but in production mode with the keyboard I get a little frustrated witty touch sometimes . And that's a windows thing not an arm thing. But I am so glad to be in windows again. Especially with the chromium edge. The full version dropped a couple days ago.
What RAM do you have? How much is your system using on average doing browsing, MS Office and others...? I don’t know if 8GB will be enough
Great review, but as a Galaxy Book2 owner I suggest to make a series of infuse videos during 2020 showing how quick Microsoft addresses weaknesses of the arm platform. For me the lack of decent apps and games in ms store makes this device inferior to iPad Pro.
Microsoft apps run well on this already.
The lack of Apps on the Store is an issue effecting all PCs.
how is the LTE speeds vs surface pro 5 lte
For me on Verizon in a major city it's fast. I easily get over 150 down and 50 up and I've seen the speeds go higher, that's just the average at my home. With Verizon if you have an unlimited smartphone plan you can get a truly unlimited tablet plan. I use my Pro X on LTE exclusively and I've been chomping through over 500GB on the Pro X each month and Verizon hasn't throttled me at all and I've been doing this since the launch of the Pro X.
The sound in this video is off. Makes you sound stuffy nonetheless a great device.
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YAY!!! Been waiting for the full Video review!!! We love you Daniel!
Great review Dan, nice points, happy New year btw
Where did he get the orange skin? I like how it is only on the bottom half
Anybody has that circuit wallpaper?
Yeah anyone?
www.uhdpaper.com/search?q=Circuit&by-date=true
I so want this exact device, but with a 10th gen i7. The ARM chip is, unfortunately, a non-starter for my workflow.
Poetic Voyage then go for Surface Pro 7 with LTE
Does this work on T-Mobile in the US
I hope you do another review now that its been a few months. This pro x just keeps getting better.
I have just bought mine! please can anyone tell me what Lenovo device is the one used in the squareblock advertising?
so...as a coder, does it run vscode and wsl?
I've installed VSCode (it starts up in around 1s but seems responsive enough in use), Also have WSL1 installed (not brave enough yet to jump onto Fast track to see if WSL2 is available) with Ubuntu and have Java/Python and the JetBrains IDEs for both all running under WSL and it seems very quick. That's the good news, the bad is I'm only playing at this as a hobby and I personally wouldn't go this way if my livelihood depended on it but for messing around I love the SPX. Forgot to add, to run the Jetbrains suite under WSL I had to buy X410 so GUI apps would run.
@@andybyard1154 Thanks! I use vscode for remote coding and wsl for ssh. My real codes and projects are on the company's server. It seems this is the only tablet fit for my idea of mobile coding. Neither iPad nor any android tablet can do this.
Can someone tell me where to buy this skin i couldn't find this color on dbrand
I think the biggest gripe most have with this device is the cost-benefit factor. You lose a lot, but gain minimal. In other words, there are other options capable of doing these tasks, but at a much more appealing value.
Thanks for the long list of examples to back up your point... Lol
Mine just came in over the holidays - can't wait to pick it up at the office and travel with it over the next few weeks.
I may still keep my Surface Laptop 3 close by tho.
I am close to buy one but what I really wanted to know is if using office 365 I'll have all the features available. For example, shall I be able to open two excel files simultaneously?
Nice bruh. Been waiting for this
at least one reviewer was able to review the device twice for what it is...not surprised it was daniel
Am I able to run 64 bit compatible softwares like android studio or xcode in this laptop/pc ...??
Niche for sure. SP and other products have fewer compromises while still maintaining great battery life and / or cellular connectivity. Pass.
20-30% less battery. Only the Surface Pro 5 from 2017 has a version with built in LTE. The Surface Pro 6 and Surface Pro 7 don't.
@@bradavon There are still other cellular-enabled Windows devices.
@@besweeeet2 sure but the comparison is with the SP7. Most other devices are clamshell laptops which aren't for everyone either.
@@bradavon True. Curious as to how many people actually use a Surface as strictly a tablet.
@@besweeeet2 no one I doubt. Its just not what it is. The more interesting question would be how many people use it as a tablet (generally). I do quite a lot. Its nice to pull the keyboard away and use your finger to scroll on websites.
it really wasn't a bad computer - it just need people who love it
Is it safe to use pro x without antivirus ?
Same as any other Windows computer because it runs Windows 10 Home. If you stick to legitimate websites and applications, you'll be fine with the built in Microsoft Defender. If you're going to be visiting dodgy websites and downloading dodgy applications... You may be safer with a third party antivirus software. But Microsoft has done a good job making Windows more secure. I use my computer for photo editing, office, light browsing and light gaming, haven't bought anti virus in years and never had a problem!
@@NickBlackmore
Ty so much, that was very helpful 👍
If some people manage to get a link to the wallpapers showed in this video 😍😍😍
I can see by the fact you're using Edge Chromium for ARM from the icon design this video will already be much more accurate than most reviews. It doesn't run Photoshop. Who runs Photoshop on a Surface Pro anyway?
Alex McCaffrey i mean who doesnt run photoshop on +$1400 device? It got so much limition at that price. Are we paying for sexy device hardware?
@@saidravlyanyone who uses an iPad Pro. Same price and cannot even run Photoshop. If you require Photoshop you'd buy something like a MacBook or Dell XPS surely.
@@bradavon Bruh, ipad and surface is different. ipad is ipad, it runs ipadOS but surface idk what it supposed to be a tablet or a laptop. If we say it is a tablet, it got crazy price on it. If we say its a laptop, it can't do so many thing.
Also buying surface then buy a macbook is a non-sense choice
PS : Also if u broke, i dont say you must buy ipad pro. Just grab ipad 6 or 7 for $400. It got the same function
@@saidravly I know. I just meant it's also expensive and no one questions it's limitations. Apple even sell it as a replacement for a Windows laptop. Both but people are fixated a tablet can be a tablet if its running IPadOS. I said you'd get a MacBook in-place of a Surface Pro. Maybe a Surface Book. Surface Pro has never been a powerhouse. It's not supposed to be.
Can it run Manjaro ARM Linux?
COOL!! Does Stadia work on ARM at the moment? Might be a stupid question but better be sure :D
I have seen other reports that Stadia works fine on the Surface Pro X.
Bought it a few weeks ago but was dead on arrival, which sucks. Replacement is arriving next Monday. I needed a thin and light Office machine to take on the go and replace my Surface Pro and I hope I made the right choice.
I might pick one up when we get photoshop and Lightroom support for windows on ARM.
cicero goncalves Whilst it’s not official (or a perfect solution), I run Photoshop 2018 32-bit on my Pro X (8GB, 256GB version) just fine :)
@@ryanodonnell2113 Thank you for the info. I'll stop by a Microsoft store soon and see if they let me try Lightroom and photoshop on the floor models. I absolutely love the design of the Pro X and weight difference from my surface book would make traveling a lot easier.
After looking at this today at the Microsoft store I am definitely interested. I have a surface pro 5th gen with LTE which is great but this does look and feel a little sleeker. As someone who works in Healthcare IT 99% of my day is spent in Microsoft products or in a VDI. Thanks for the review.
buying one tonite...
Hi,
I eant to know Is this device best for MS Viso app or corel draw, I have to do lots of diagrams and designs on go. Any one knows about this device. Is it ok for these softwares.
They should have made it a little thicker to jam more battery into it. There's no point in buying an ARM laptop to get Intel battery life...
Have been waiting for this video, enjoyable and informative as usual. I finally played with one in-store last week and was impressed with its size - it's notably slimmer than the Pro 7 and has that great modern design. Hopefully they make a Surface Go size device soon and will upgrade from my Go. Agree that this won't suit everyone but it'll be fine for me. Battery life is my biggest complaint with then Go so this would be a big upgrade.
SPX with Windows 11 installed can run all 35 million Windows applications (even x64-bit).
Damn I need that wallpaper!!!
me too!!
I'm still rocking a surface pro 4, it's running beautifully, will probably upgrade to the successor to this, I don't understand though why this device wouldn't have a headphone jack, it's not like they had no room lol, just doesn't make sense.. Maybe so people will buy Microsoft surface headphones
I didn't think I'd miss the headphone jack but I do (if only for watching RUclips videos, all my music is on my phone+earphones), definitely won't be splashing out on a pair of the surface ones.
@@andybyard1154 I have numerous headphones that I use wired and wireless with my devices, but when I want to listen to music or something properly, and not just out of convenience it's always with a cable either headphone Jack or lately USB to USBC, on my surface pro 4 with my beyerdynamic amiron wireless headphones, I suppose the new surface pro X supports audio out from one of it's USBC ports?
I just need driver support. Can’t update my pro controllers without drivers or app support.
Does anyone know if macro can be run in excel on Surface Pro X? I have an iPad Pro and as you know, macro is not working in Excel.
By the way, this is a good review. Thanks.
Benny Loh - should work no issue on the Surface Pro X. The standard Office programs are all available for Windows On Arm and are the full-fledged versions.
If you want to post a particular macro text on here I'd be happy to give it a go
Thank you for the Test. Can you Please Publish the cool Wallpaper from your Desktop? Im excided for the Performance from the ProX. I Love the Device! The WakeUp Speed is really extrem Fast! Faster then all the other Windows Devices, and the Wake Up Process ist really Reliable. Great!
What RAM do you have? How much is your system using on average doing browsing, MS Office and others...? I fear 8GB won’t be enough
that is a nice xb1 controller. will pick that blue one up soon
Last weekend the surface pro x 8gb plus 256 HD was $400 off. Sounded like a good deal. Trying to read between the lines....Most of the negative comments I hear are only about video and picture editing. Which I do not do. I think things will be fine.
Can we have a wallpaper link please?
Awesome, thank you.
The Surface Pro X is beautiful. If, and this is a big if, you can find the ARM versions of all the primary apps that you need to run, then this would be ideal. It's definitely a conundrum since the vast majority of the apps out there are made for desktop x64, and the less sleek, older form factor (but updated internals) Surface Pro 7 would run those apps better. Its bewildering that the ARM version of even Microsoft Edge wasn't available at launch, but it's good to see it available now.
This was a risky move for Microsoft, with the Surface Pro vying against the likes of the iPad Pro to be the ultimate lightweight hybrid that can replace most user's laptops in functionality, but I see that Microsoft is "playing the long game" with this move, by pushing the more mobile ready ARM processor onto their newest Surface form factor, while relegating the one that can run x64 apps onto the previous form factor with USB C (finally), fast charging and updated processor selections.
iPads Pros ain't computers so there is no comparison...
@@msp5138 True, but any of the Surface Pro 2-in-1’s although that have the form factor are also barely functional as standalone tablets. This may change a bit when Windows 11 finally unlocks the Amazon Store Apps you may have a slightly better tablet experience with the right apps.
Still if you are looking for a better computer the Surface Pro 7 is still a better experience than the Surface Pro X or X2. Apple will probably not add full computer functionality to their iPad Pro line because ultimately they don’t want to cannibalize their MacBook sales, but if they decided to flip the switch and upgraded their iPad OS, the hardware can more than handle it, especially with their M1 iPad Pro lineup.
Here is my thing at the price point please dont tell me that you have everyday application issues.. I have a 2-1 a yoga 730 and it has no issues with any of those programs and I am not dropping 200 beans on a keyboard .. I am a tech guy and the designer aspect doesnt mean much to me.. There are too many limitations on this guy .. I'm good. ..great video and you were very honest and I appreciate it.. For me I need more than pretty I need a machine
Your needs are not everyone elses needs. And if you were actually tech guy you'd appreciate the variety of devices on the market that are able to meet the different needs of different people...
Nice review. I think the Surface Pro X is a great step forward in the company's attempt to experiment a little in the consumer pc space and can't wait for them to iterate it some more. Personally, I'm ready for a Surface device that has the look and feel of a Surface Book 2 clipboard with monstrous battery life and dedicated graphics while only weighing about half a pound. One can dream lol.
Surface Book 2? Too heavy?
@@bradavon With the keyboard it's about 3.62 lbs and without, the clipboard is about 1.59 lbs. It would be a much better tablet experience if they kept the clipboard under 1lb and if it had MUCH better battery life.
@@israelramirez0202 arent you expecting to much from science? Make it thinner but also increase battery.
@@bradavon Not at all. Things have gotten thinner/lighter with better battery life already. Look at computers and smartphones over the years. It's inevitable, but I am just having a bit of wishful thinking. No expectations at all.
Felt like I was watching a salesman defend a product.
I mainly use my surface pro 4 to do art with and it's excellent, but it's showing its age XD Need to save up for a upgraded version sometime soon.
Like you Dan, I'm a Winsider user, so Office + Edge Canary fine, but extra security layers: VPN, Opera, Brave, could be a challenge? Any good for multiple apps running in background (constantly switching)? Can it run Adobe Reader DC as a minimum? Google Maps & Earth - my list is endless! Would like to move back to Win10 from MBP if at all possible/practical.
Please, make some speed test/comparison with x86 tablets
Why? This is a productivity devise. Speed test are for people who nothing about tech...
I think microsoft must have a unique naming ased on what product made for , fo example a regullar user will not notice that this surface pro X is not strong enough as surface pro type , so its better to give another name for surface pro X , for example maybe Surface Pro Long life or surface pro connect
I hope that Dropbox comes up with an ARM64 version of their app.
"You are using it wrong"
hi, Daniel, Thank you for your reviews, about the surface go. I was using a Chromebook, but i was having some headaches with it. It has problems with the display, so, i went for a return. and decided for a surface go. its a great device, I'm not a heavy user so for me its ok. so thank you, and blessings, keep doing a great job, with all the reviews.
can you run linux on it?
Does running Ubuntu under WSL count? If so, yes. Spent a happy weekend getting the Jetbrains Java & Python IDE's up and running (hobby activity Not Production work).
You did a great job I like you emphasize that you should only get this based of individual needs and you pointed out what it is good for and what it it is not good for. I have always been a surface fan boy. But I will never say it is the end all device it is for a specific class of user. But I also say if one never plans to use the surface as tablet at least 30-50% of the time then they should turn to a different device. You buy this device for form factor and aesthetics. Not for performance.
there are so many laptops that are literally light and versatile and yet cost way less and more powerful than this device, yet i dont undestand why people still support it as a laptop replacement?
I think you didn't discuss it's most useful feature--a note taking and drawing as a tablet. This especially useful for students but professionals take meeting notes. It's really an iPad pro killer. As a laptop there are better options.
I take notes daily (handwritten in OneNote) and I've used Surface Go + Surface pen (good but startup / wake time blunts it's usefulness), 2018 iPad+Pencil (very workable but nowhere to store the pencil), SPX+Flat pen = Dream machine for note taking. Haven't used an iPad pro but would guess it is way better than the 2018 iPad (the 1st non-Pro that supported pencil 1), Not sure the ProX kills the iPad pro by this criteria I'd say they were fairly well matched. I went SPX because I like the surface line and the form factor and prefer W10 to IOS. Totally agree with "As a laptop there are better options".
@@andybyard1154 I feel like the SPX gives you more laptop functionality than the iPad Pro while matching its notetaking abilities.
Nice work.
SpX, one of the best machines I've used in a while
Why can't they give us an intel chipset with all the cool features of the X? I'm seriously torn between the X and 7. I do mainly use my surface for simple tasks, reading, browsing, note-taking, but every now and then I like to see how far I can push it. Like running Civ V on my surface pro 4 (it works but gets hot!) The surface pro 4 has been my friend for many years now and I love it, but I'm starting to feel the itch to upgrade and can not decide. Wish I could just borrow a surface pro x for awhile. Obviously, since I still have the 4, I'm not the type to upgrade every time something new comes out, so I dont want to grab the X and find out ARM development is going to be slow as molasses and run into all kinds of issues in the future. When does the 8 come out? lol
I really wanted to like this device, I wish Microsoft would do more to entice the ARM development community. I wish I was the target audience for this device though as I really wanted to get it.
Donald James Microsoft has given all elements for Windows on ARM. Now, it’s up to the Devs community to not be as lazy as they were with Win10 Mobile.