Microsoft 2012: Let's make the surface with ARM -> Surface 1 2013: Surface 2 with ARM 2015: ARM is shit, no longer supported 2019: Back to the Past boys
@@simonslair3048 Mobile Devices that use ARM mostly android and ios. Have either a full eco-system that have ARM applications (ios) or JVM based apps (Android) JVM can run mostly on any architecture and OS. Microsoft & MacOS apps are mostly made for x86, even if emulation exists for 32 bits apps (x86 32bit to ARM) x86_64 does not and would be too difficult to do. Even if many FOSS programs are available under ARM (Linux is better at it than Windows) ARM is still not a top choice for desktop applications.
And only running 32bit apps is also a no go. So lets just stick a linux distro on it an remove the Microsoft branding. Then we can get both 64bit and running all apps.
"can run full desktop programs, with a few exceptions*" *Exceptions being that they run poorly and loose all ARM power optimization if they run at all, which many of them dont
That isn't an exception. X86 runs. I seriously don't actually understand people like you's logic. My laptop does... you ready for this. Web Browsing, Excel Docs, MTG Arena and basic steam games when at a friends. Think about that use case. Then imagine telling someone that the exception to running full desktop programs like lets say.... steam + enter the gungeon is that they are not optimized.... WHO CARES. Imagine telling someone that a Core M3 can't play Red Dead 2 well. That's what you sound like. To be clear, the product has a pricing issue. However that isn't a hardware issue. If this cost 800 GBP then it would have been an amazing SKU. To be clear, 800GBP for 256GB, keyboard included and the pen seperate for 60. They need to get these out there so people start developing good shit for ARM again.
add to that list of a "few exceptions" that existing database of x86 drivers aren't compatible rendering a lot of older devices useless, windows fax and print isn't available and in an time were the industry moving away from 32 bit, none of the thousands of x86-64 bit programs work on this laptop! (though I admit this is a software emulation issue that could be overcome be to what extent I am unsure?) For all those limitations this device is not "cheap"
Sky NightZ yeah, but spending nearly $2000 for a machine that ONLY does email and browses the web (as long as you’re fine with only using Edge) is RIDICULOUS. you can do the same on a $200 tablet that is 1/10th the price or a $2000 gaming laptop that can do all the things the ARM tablet can’t.
I feel like we had this exact opposite discussion in Chromebooks a couple years ago.... They used to pretty much all be arm based until people realized that performance was pretty garbage and the battery savings over something like a core M processor weren't really all that high, and now almost every Chromebook is intel based
Yup. And newer Chromebooks run Linux Apps with near native performance. It's a huge advantage over this. There is very little use for ARM on a non mobile OS at the moment because the applications are just not available. I'd rather have Windows 10 S cause atleast i could pay $50 to use a proper computer afterward.
the aim is to put pressure on INTEL price sheets with 5G ARM and free Chrome OS laptops from major ODM (Samsung, HP). Running a slow emulation layer on Qualcomm SOC's is hardly ever going to save battery use for loss of efficiency. Bottom line is patners are creating leverage in searching for a wider slice of profits
Also what is it with peoples obsession with thin stuff? Imo it just makes phones and laptops more fragile, harder to cool and less comfortable to hold. How does a piece of technology being thin improve anything? I have a feeling that this is nothing but a trend started by apple and since apparently all ideas (or the balls to market new ideas) died with Steve Jobs, people just now will follow this doctrine forever.
Mostafa El Sakari isn’t the XS the lower tier one? Thought the XR was the premium version. The 11 Pro should compete with the top level X in size, not the cheapest one.
Speak for yourself. I love thin and light. Ultralights are best for mobile jobs that mainly do email and write reports. Imagine having a computer in your bag that won't break your back.
Yup. I think a lot of people don't understand this. These laptops have to exist for the sake of progress. Even then its not like they're aren't giving you options if you can't deal with it. I don't see anything to complain about tbh. I'm somebody that uses Linux and would probably love to use it on a machine like this.
The future must continue to evolve, no matter the obstacles. And Microsoft needs to compete because Apple's own ARM SOC demolishes Intel's mobile offering in every benchmark available.
Doesn't matter, people won't buy it unless it can run their software and considering 99% of software still only works for the x86 version of Windows let's just say don't get your hopes up...
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv Considering RISC-V I'd imagine that wont be an issue once it reaches the regular consumer. Tons of instructions are kinda worthless in x86 after all. But honestly will probably only reach the consumer in 10-20 years at least for PCs.
RISC-V is already used in GPUs. I cant remember which ones, but i believe NVIDIAs later GPUs use RISC-V. I really hope it takes off! x86 has been standing strong forever, but I believe it would soon be the time to start moving to a fresh start. After all, we have been adding to x86 for years with new instructions and alike, that it has simply become overcomplicated in some degrees. A fresh do-over with RISC-V might be quite refreshing ^.^
@@IngwiePhoenix its used in gpus, not as a gpu, though there is a test model GPU using the architecture. Its been used by a bunch of company's as an embedded CPU, nvidia, qualcomm, samsung, and wd to name a few. Unfortunately it will have a bigger uphill battle then ARM has had because its coming in during a time of innovation & growth in both x86 and arm, amd being competitive again is really driving up the perf/cost ratio, and arm trying to compete in server with a whole slew of groups pushing out high end arm chips that are super low cost. I would like risc-v to become viable but i dont think it will have in the next 10 years if history has shown us anything. But i would be happy to be proven wrong as that would lead to more choices across the board.
Considering most people wouldn't see any difference between a computer running AMD64 and RISC-V, i think nobody will push for that, not even Microsoft. If big industry players need an alternative instruction set for whatever reason, they already have the answer: ARM. Which is why it already dominate nearly all market outside of PC.
@@svfutbol20 I mean, sure repairing them sucks, but I've never had a Mac die on me like I've had windows systems go down. I can't afford to delay a project to ship parts to me haha
This brings me memories to Windows RT 8, I'm not really sure if I want to deal with lack of support for ARM again... al least for now, I'm gonna wait until more people get onboard.
I feel like the winds are changing though, this is still very much an only early adopters need apply, but with MS, Apple, Amazon, Google, and of coarse Qualcomm pushing ARM, the industry is headed to ARM, and once developers get on board it's game over for Intel.
Things are changing quickly. Compilers, interpreters, drivers, kernel modules, and even compatibility layers are nearly there now for ARM. It could be a rough transition, but x86 is truly on its way out in most markets. It's just too bloated an architecture and I'm amazed it's been competitive for this long. But now all the big players are heavily investing in ARM so it's really only a matter of time. They know x86 can't advance much further because it's carrying so much legacy design that only made sense in older computing paradigms. And beyond ARM, RISCV is very likely to take over in some segments eventually as well, but that's at least a decade before we see anything significant on the consumer side. We're losing ability to tweak the process of semiconductor design, so we're starting to have to look at different architectures and better low level software that goes along with it.
Microsoft: "Remember the Windows RT tablet?" Consumers: "Uhh... yeah?" MS: "What if that but expensive?" Consumers: "..." MS: "Also no auxiliary or USB-A ports." Consumers: "Why are you like this?"
Paradoxical Nightmare idfk, it’s at least usb 3.0 or higher. Standard is out of wack these days, usb 3.1 could be literally anything. For visual reference it’s the same connector top to bottom.
It at least makes a bit more sense than iPhone Pro, since microsoft abandoned the plain ol "Surface" name for its higher end stuff. With app support this thing will rock the world of engineers looking to sling something over their shoulder for a meeting. The surface pro lineup has been the top choice for a lot of engineers I know due to thinness, versatility, and sketch capabilities...but without that versatility to run pretty much everything at least decently, it's not appealing to pros. It doesn't deserve that name yet, but it will someday.
eric_arw you don’t expect a phone to be really pro. you don’t expect wireless earbuds to be pro but you might except a laptop to be an actual pro device
eric_arw calling the iPhone or AirPods “Pro” is ok bc it doesn’t make you expect it to be a pro device. if you want to buy and iPad Pro, MacBook Pro or Surface Pro, you want it to be professional
@@daviscurry2005 yep, I bought one and took it back after 2 days use and got the Pro 7. It wouldn't even run our companies cloud based software. It's a POS
I personally like that they didn't include a headphone jack. It seems to me that the majority of people has wireless headphones nowadays. More products without a headphone jack will only push wireless technology further.
it's funny how this video re-appear in my recommendation, after the domination of AMD lineup and the announcement of Apple to get rid of Intel's chips Indeed Intel is upping against the road, not to mention those abominable marketing tragedy
their compiler is (from an optimization point of view) worse than the GNU C Compiler and Clang (in both cases for the Windows platform) Microsoft's compiler is also worse at error reporting and finding than Clang and about the same as GCC additionally if you are compiling C++, both Clang and GCC support the newer standards (way) earlier than Microsoft
@@kuhluhOG There were talks that MSVC is going to be based on LLVM at some point. I keep praying for that to actually happen. For now, I guess clang-cl is "an option" e.e
That will never happen. If you follow the development of processors, x86 has never been killed. RISC was seen as the future in the 80’s/90’s with Apple, SGI, and some NT servers running Mipps or PowerPC. And what happened? Apple went to x86, SGI went to x86, and the servers went to Xeon’s. Microsoft even tried ARM before, with the Surface and Surface 2, and both ultimately fizzled into nothing. AMD has revitalized x86 with Ryzen, and I think its safe to say x86 is going to stay for at least another decade.
@@KeijonAutoVuokra You won't be able to run shit. All your packages won't be compatible with ARM architecture unless you get a specific version which is just a pain in the ass.
Microsoft have tried this for years... it just never worked smoothly. Emulating a CPU isn't really that hard. The issue is that arm need a lot more code. So it will run much slower. Also. The reason why risc losses out in the 90-tys was Cisco cashing advantage. This makes cisc more die effective despite having more transistors per core. And the instruction andvantige give cisc both a frequency and instruction efficiency advantage. A lot of stupid people talking about the pros of risc and totally ignoring cisc also have pros
@@mcwaff8661 you've clearly never owned an ipad. I use my laptop once a month now, only to compile my apps, something I could be doing by borrowing a computer. My laptop is the paperweight, not my ipad.
That was my first and immediate thought! I have seen GParted live USBs for ARM. So surely, there are proper distros too. And actually, this would make a great linux device! But I wonder what DE would work best for that... Actually, is there a tablet focused DE yet? I remember tabbing around in Ubuntu's creepy default DE forever ... only to then just throw it out, lol
And I bet Linux would fit much better. If you look at Debian repository, pretty much every important open source software (Libreoffice, GIMP, IDEs, games, browsers, etc.) has been ported to ARM long ago. Or you can compile it yourself.
I remember the Surface RT. I actually got hired to do tech support for it at launch. They trained up an army of us in preparation for all the problems and... there really weren't any. So yeah, of course the scope of the machine meant it was just "an tablet" that didn't have the big Apple or Android ecosystems. But that was just a problem that stopped people buying it. Once they had it, the thing just worked. I would go DAYS without getting a single call. Eventually they gathered up like 80% of us and herded us into Xbox 360 (at the time) support, which was an absolute zoo in comparison. Incidentally, I was also there for the Xbox One rollout, which while not as sedate as Surface, proved to be way less of a princess than the 360.
surface pro x isn't really a laptop, to me it looks like a premium version of those older android tablet keyboard devices we had back then. And There's still surface pro 7 too...
All of this in the name of slim profiles. Honestly, 5-7mm is slim enough, and you can use the extra volume for a 3.5mm TRRS jack. And maybe find a way to cram some more LiPo battery cells in
@@OuijTube Agreed. It's a laptop! I don't know anyone who would actually need a laptop thinner than a centimeter. All that wasted space for a bigger batter :(
I really wish software publishers would sell programs as encrypted code that is compiled for the target CPU during installation. That would take care of most situations where an application can't run on a specific processor.
The thing about this is... People say "Microsoft! Start fresh! Get rid of that Win95 stuff from Windows 10!" but the same people then turn around and "Wait, it does not run Win32 apps? What is the fucking point then?"
Good Review on sharing many open different angle views. ... My own experiences using 2 weeks Surface Pro X, and MS Surface Pro 7 core I 5 Before having MS Surface Pro X , I bought SF pro 7, it is working well and fast. After 2-3 weeks, I had to buy another one computer, I had to give SF pro 7 to my college to work continue 1 week for urgent adhoc many reports requested by customer. Then I have to buy another surface for my parallel works on presenting, office and web browsing, traveling several places. when I saw SF Pro X firstly open in Microsoft Big Event and later in the MS shop seller, I was very impressed on very nice improved design and functions of MS Surface Pro X. Design look the best among the nowadays tablet, and smart ultra traveling notebook . 13” screen is good for views. Quality of screen and sound and video were much improved than older pro version. So, I have gone through studying a lot from Surface Pro X reviews, both on their MS own website and third opinions. Most of reviewers, youtubers focused only performance and limitation on new ARM processor, those said many problems on negative about Surface pro X. So I think, I should try and explore more details by myself on this Product, because... I don't want to have 2 surface similar. I wanna try different. And I believe inner inside that, "MS team must have some good reasons to launch something new by new chipset with this ARM". There should be reason good enough to go for ARM with this product. I like thing about starting of AI feature on this SQ1 chip. “After hearing other, better to try with your own experiences.” ... Then have to do my own test, I went to the seller Shop to do the test. I bring my SSD HD data containing many of files, that i regularly use to do my own real test at Surface Pro X seller shop spending almost 1-2 hours for all tests. I am the one who usually do the works on MS office. I do reports with MS word, one file size could be more than 100 MB. At the same time I would do multiple tasks, opening Excel sheet picking up several data financial and analysis technical data several sheet calculating. Moreover , I am doing at the same time opening 10-15 pages pdf file parallel with doing slide presentation with power point that containing tons of high definition of pictures and videos. While doing all above I am opening many windows of web browsers, doing search internet data. One can be email on gmail, one is opening youtube music for relaxing, anothor one could be working on email, another one monitoring stock and gold price, ready to buy and sell. While I am testing, I open my presentation slide made of MS power point, that is quite big size of 400 MB. With lot of HD pic and Video embed on it to test the severe case. All of working windows, I open through my SSD HD connected via USB C port because Testing SF Pro x at the shop is demo machine. All that programs and open windows as mentions above on test are working very well. While doing all many tasks on Pro X as all above I mentioned, opening 100 MB with MS word doing report, opening youtube 4 K, opening several files (excel, pdf documents, edge browsers surfing more than 10 pages web browsing ) to copy data to creating report, and also at the same time doing that quite big size 400 MB slide presentation. Result is that, MS Surface pro X is working smooth without any problem, working fast, honestly to say that it is slower a bit comparing to surface pro 7 core i5 256 RAM, as I said, the one I gave to my college for working on writing reporting . (I would say that Microsoft Pro X, at the shop, is the one that skilled seller just update lasted programs, software and firmware, I guess many things and problems were fixed.) Web browsing and Movie on RUclips are working very well with impressive quality. See clear on big screen, Nice details with full High Definition, Resolution is almost 4 K movies with fine and smooth through my eyes. . The sound and movie are showing on Surface Pro X are very IMPRESSIVE. The sound is not as good as iPad Pro , but it is really good enough to enjoy the entertainment. The outlook of SF Pro X design is very impressive, pretty much beautiful. The handling, carrying Surface Pro x is very suited for traveling people like me, while I am going out to give lecture and consulting to students and customers. Due to the working style and my age, I don't mind much about gaming performance, because I do not have much time left for games. I used to be a game lover when I was young, but after coming to some old age, I gradually fade off it. Photos and Videos I usually take and work simply by iphone and ipad. So Adobe Photoshop and A Illustrator or A Premiere were never used on this Surface. But heard that in a few months, Adobe team is working on to develop those photo apps to be compatible on ARM. MS Edge and Edge Canery developed for ARM is working very smooth and fast. So that is enough support for me to choose this computer, MS SF PRO X. So, I made decision to buy Surface PRO X. New MS PEN is used for many comfort functions. It is really work for noting, drawing very good ergonomic and smooth use. After buying, This MS Surface Pro X had been tested, opening files, working all day and night. Even I take rest sleeping, but computer had to be opened , because continuing work on many data files. This SF had to keep running open to finish more than 3 reports, the Due Diligence reports for customer in 2 weeks. Each report size is more than 60-90 MB and has more than 100 pages. So the long time test had proven its reliability and stability. I would say this Surface Pro X is very best suited for me. Nice Design, very lightweight, look smart when presenting work to customerss, Good for web surfing and browsing data, watching movies in RUclips. ... People use different computers for their different purposes and experiences, select the one that fit to you. I do like one the Pro X machine. When it is working such a long time, it is notices that this machine is not as heat as SF pro 7 , I think because of lower power (watt) used in ARM processor. All above mentioned, I do love this MS Surface Pro X. Its designs, functions, and features are very fascinating one.
Favorite Hosts on LTT (excluding Linus and Yvonne) 1) Maddie (made Linus hurt 😂😂) 2) Riley! (Dethroned by Maddie) 3) Anthony Riley should continue having dramatic vlog narrations!! 😆
Google: *releases ultra thin laptop with great battery life* LTT: "overpriced dumb machine can't run photoshp" *cry* MS: *releases twice as expensive, thicker laptop that can't run photoshp* LTT: "a triumph "
Not the same to be honest, Apple showed Shadow of the Tomb Raider running at 1080p on Rosetta 2 (Emulation, 25%-40% performance loss and still up to par with the 3400G) while Microsoft only promised that they would bring emulation until 2021 (They also showed Maya and Final Cut Pro) not to mention that it was the A12Z, which is essentially the A12X (launched in 2018) compared to the Snpd 855 is a looooot better, the 855 uses 8 cores (4 Cortex A76 and 4 Cortex A55) The 1+3 Cortex A76 being the "Strong" cores and the 4 Cortex A55 the "Efficiency" cores, just for comparision, the A13 "Lightning" efficiency cores are 2.5-3x more powerful than the Cortex A55 WHILE using half the power, that's the A13, SotTR was running on the A12Z cores, and new Apple Silicon devices will be running on a customized version of the A14, in conclusion, Apple gave us something to be excited for and Microsoft didn't (Early benchmarks of the developer transition kit give a similar performance compared to the Air 2020, with 4 of the 8 cores disabled and the 4 cores running at 2.4GHz instead of 2.5GHz)
Reduced instruction sets are also suitable for powerhouse tasks, its just that most programs right now are written for complex instruction sets. The reason we use complex instruction sets was because computers did not have enough storage to hold both the program and all the data it needed. Most processors convert complex instruction sets to reduced ones on the fly anyway. Reduced instruction sets are better for pipelining, making the possibility for higher IPCs possible
Adam Smith yeah no lmfao. It’s still better than anything from 2009, by a huge margin. Try editing a 720p video with a core 2 duo laptop, then try editing 1080p on a Pro X. Doesn’t matter what software you use the core 2 duo will suck ass.
I have the Samsung GalaxyBook 2. For me it's perfect because the battery life is fantastic, it's highly portable, it has an AMOLED display that looks FANFREAKINGMAZING, Decent key travel, LTE and a premium build quality. I have a desktop at home for the heavier tasks this is good for script writing on the go. It won't be for everyone but arm laptops aren't meant for gamers or cad rendering.
This device seems perfect for a corporate setting where the user spends most of their time in the browser; office365, salesforce, etc. Just nail the browser component (the new ie is built on chromium) and it should be a winner
@@tarkfarhen3870 I'm assuming by tablet you mean iPad or Android, so the easy answer to that is Active Directory/SSO. Correct me if I'm wrong (please) but I think the AD integration on consumer tablets is pretty nonexistent, and in an corporate/enterprise setting it's a non negotiable
@@tarkfarhen3870 For you sure, but others may have different use cases. I personally wouldn't buy it because it can't run x64 based apps that I would want to use, but I can see why I business might (remote desktop services maybe?), just an idea.
That "thiccboi" still makes almost every other laptop feel heavy lol. Actually the iPad Pro with the smart cover attached is heavier than a Surface Pro 7 with one! About two pounds for what you get is still pretty incredible with the Intel showing, but I do hope the 8 gets the redesign next year at the very latest. I thought they were waiting for Ice Lake for a redesign but yeah, the 7 is very samey apart from USB C.
I think not having a headphone jack cripples the device to some degree. I have wired and wireless headphones and I do like using wired on laptops more for some reason. It just seems right lol
To put "smaller instruction set" into perspective: The ARM11 that powered the original Raspberry Pi doesn't even support hardware division and modulo operations. It needs a precompiled library to do very basic stuff like that.
Mine ran like dog with three legs, and the 2014 windows update client refused to install after resetting the tablet. => iow, no longer secure for internet use. The fact that Microsoft blocked the update and removed any OS upgrade path (to Windows 10) or allow removal of the secure-boot lock to allow owners to do as they wish with their hardware. Just puts me right off investing money or time with it.
Hiring Riley when ncix shut down was one of the best things ltt has ever done
Yeah, great video Riley
He is just the best in the team
He's very Linusy
Best Decision Ever.
One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
Microsoft 2012: Let's make the surface with ARM -> Surface 1
2013: Surface 2 with ARM
2015: ARM is shit, no longer supported
2019: Back to the Past boys
ARM probably talked them into it with power efficency.
best part is that suckers with the surface 1 and surface 2 running winRT still won't be able to run any of the new ARM software.
ARM isn't in android phones?
that makes me thinking that ARM is still supported but idk :)
I think it may be hard to justify surface rt 's hardware and Windows RT at that time,wonder anybody install windows 10 arm on it.
@@simonslair3048 Mobile Devices that use ARM mostly android and ios. Have either a full eco-system that have ARM applications (ios) or JVM based apps (Android)
JVM can run mostly on any architecture and OS.
Microsoft & MacOS apps are mostly made for x86, even if emulation exists for 32 bits apps (x86 32bit to ARM) x86_64 does not and would be too difficult to do.
Even if many FOSS programs are available under ARM (Linux is better at it than Windows) ARM is still not a top choice for desktop applications.
"Cannot run existing windows programs smoothly"
And just like that, you've lost me.
good thing no one wanted you
@@vanisso you're seriously gonna defend this laptop when James himself said it can't run programs properly??
And only running 32bit apps is also a no go. So lets just stick a linux distro on it an remove the Microsoft branding. Then we can get both 64bit and running all apps.
@@robbiefl2001 my bad. is james your prophet?
@@vanisso Lol what are you on about.
"can run full desktop programs, with a few exceptions*"
*Exceptions being that they run poorly and loose all ARM power optimization if they run at all, which many of them dont
That isn't an exception. X86 runs. I seriously don't actually understand people like you's logic. My laptop does... you ready for this. Web Browsing, Excel Docs, MTG Arena and basic steam games when at a friends.
Think about that use case. Then imagine telling someone that the exception to running full desktop programs like lets say.... steam + enter the gungeon is that they are not optimized.... WHO CARES. Imagine telling someone that a Core M3 can't play Red Dead 2 well. That's what you sound like.
To be clear, the product has a pricing issue. However that isn't a hardware issue. If this cost 800 GBP then it would have been an amazing SKU. To be clear, 800GBP for 256GB, keyboard included and the pen seperate for 60.
They need to get these out there so people start developing good shit for ARM again.
"runs ARM smart phone, complains that arm doesn't work with everything x86"
add to that list of a "few exceptions" that existing database of x86 drivers aren't compatible rendering a lot of older devices useless, windows fax and print isn't available and in an time were the industry moving away from 32 bit, none of the thousands of x86-64 bit programs work on this laptop! (though I admit this is a software emulation issue that could be overcome be to what extent I am unsure?)
For all those limitations this device is not "cheap"
Sky NightZ yeah, but spending nearly $2000 for a machine that ONLY does email and browses the web (as long as you’re fine with only using Edge) is RIDICULOUS. you can do the same on a $200 tablet that is 1/10th the price or a $2000 gaming laptop that can do all the things the ARM tablet can’t.
@@InsanitiesBrother nah, it's more like "Imagine telling someone that a Core M3 can't run a browser smootfully" because that's what you get.
I feel like we had this exact opposite discussion in Chromebooks a couple years ago.... They used to pretty much all be arm based until people realized that performance was pretty garbage and the battery savings over something like a core M processor weren't really all that high, and now almost every Chromebook is intel based
Yup. And newer Chromebooks run Linux Apps with near native performance. It's a huge advantage over this. There is very little use for ARM on a non mobile OS at the moment because the applications are just not available. I'd rather have Windows 10 S cause atleast i could pay $50 to use a proper computer afterward.
dbjungle chrome os is Linux.
the aim is to put pressure on INTEL price sheets with 5G ARM and free Chrome OS laptops from major ODM (Samsung, HP).
Running a slow emulation layer on Qualcomm SOC's is hardly ever going to save battery use for loss of efficiency.
Bottom line is patners are creating leverage in searching for a wider slice of profits
Three years later and you're wrong
@@rurrer call me nostradamus
Whenever Riley hosts something "seriously" he literally becomes the most comfortable presenter I've ever seen.
I think it is since most people get hired for their talent, not saying that Riley doesn't have any but he has alot experience in presenting
Linus was unable to host today's video....he's at home nursing a sore cheek
Did he drop it?
I like that I get this
@@mansoorkarim836 Wish I did
He got a sinus.
***sssssllllllaaaaappppp***
So imagine a surface go at 700$.
Except it has a better screen, battery life and fancy pencil for over double the cost.
Minus the headphone jack and compatibility with 64-bit programs
Well that's windows devices in a nutshell
@@thewhitepanda60 Danke Merkel!
But it's not double the cost
A Surface going for $700 is called the iPad. Has all your items from the exception list included.
"To make a slim and sleek surface pro. Instead of this thick boy."
[ Both laptops are basically the same thickness ]
Me: ???
Also what is it with peoples obsession with thin stuff? Imo it just makes phones and laptops more fragile, harder to cool and less comfortable to hold. How does a piece of technology being thin improve anything?
I have a feeling that this is nothing but a trend started by apple and since apparently all ideas (or the balls to market new ideas) died with Steve Jobs, people just now will follow this doctrine forever.
Daniel Schroedinger I think Apple is actually realizing this, the iPhone 11 Pro is thicker than the xs
Mostafa El Sakari isn’t the XS the lower tier one? Thought the XR was the premium version. The 11 Pro should compete with the top level X in size, not the cheapest one.
I couldnt come up with a name so i used this no the xs is the more expensive one
Speak for yourself. I love thin and light. Ultralights are best for mobile jobs that mainly do email and write reports. Imagine having a computer in your bag that won't break your back.
This thing costs a arm and a linus
Didn’t know that it was over 18M dollars
Linus doesn't seem, but he is a dick.
Number Cube damn didn’t know an arm was worth 18 mil
I only got 5 Linuses this pay period.
Was the ‘arm’ that you said a joke? Because I found it funny
Explain: arm, ARM, A R M...
Just another "pro" device for people that are pros at throwing money away
this guy gets it
Microsoft is playing 3 moves ahead of everyone else in a game that doesn’t really exist yet
What's this, collab with Google?
Yup. I think a lot of people don't understand this. These laptops have to exist for the sake of progress. Even then its not like they're aren't giving you options if you can't deal with it. I don't see anything to complain about tbh. I'm somebody that uses Linux and would probably love to use it on a machine like this.
The future must continue to evolve, no matter the obstacles. And Microsoft needs to compete because Apple's own ARM SOC demolishes Intel's mobile offering in every benchmark available.
same thing with software in the 1970s
That comment didn't age well.
Riley clothing looks like he's wearing an "Act like you belong" outfit and then somehow he managed to sneak into a video while they were recording it.
He belong.... /wooooshbait
r/oddlyspecific
Now I cant wait till RISC-V is more of a thing and starts popping up in consumer electronics.
Doesn't matter, people won't buy it unless it can run their software and considering 99% of software still only works for the x86 version of Windows let's just say don't get your hopes up...
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv Considering RISC-V I'd imagine that wont be an issue once it reaches the regular consumer. Tons of instructions are kinda worthless in x86 after all.
But honestly will probably only reach the consumer in 10-20 years at least for PCs.
RISC-V is already used in GPUs. I cant remember which ones, but i believe NVIDIAs later GPUs use RISC-V. I really hope it takes off! x86 has been standing strong forever, but I believe it would soon be the time to start moving to a fresh start. After all, we have been adding to x86 for years with new instructions and alike, that it has simply become overcomplicated in some degrees. A fresh do-over with RISC-V might be quite refreshing ^.^
@@IngwiePhoenix its used in gpus, not as a gpu, though there is a test model GPU using the architecture. Its been used by a bunch of company's as an embedded CPU, nvidia, qualcomm, samsung, and wd to name a few. Unfortunately it will have a bigger uphill battle then ARM has had because its coming in during a time of innovation & growth in both x86 and arm, amd being competitive again is really driving up the perf/cost ratio, and arm trying to compete in server with a whole slew of groups pushing out high end arm chips that are super low cost. I would like risc-v to become viable but i dont think it will have in the next 10 years if history has shown us anything. But i would be happy to be proven wrong as that would lead to more choices across the board.
Considering most people wouldn't see any difference between a computer running AMD64 and RISC-V, i think nobody will push for that, not even Microsoft. If big industry players need an alternative instruction set for whatever reason, they already have the answer: ARM. Which is why it already dominate nearly all market outside of PC.
The entire reason I love my previous surface products is that they run my existing software and run it well.. this is a big no from me.
Riley.....He's our plucky freshman...He's got some natural talent and a load of potential......
arm powered laptop costs an arm and a leg
@Advocatus Diaboli I got my C630 for $550.
Fullmetal alchemist references
@@askyourmama5862 not really. It's an old idiom.
@@askyourmama5862 its an Idiomatic Expression Kid. go back to school. stop watching too much anime
@@quistaline it's also a pun... An ARM.....
We will just call that unjustified price increase the "Early adopter tax".
A review hosted by Riley? Yes. I think yes. Yes indeed.
Nah, it's his evil twin. Still friendly tho.
"speaking of books,"
Freshbooks?
"no, comic books"
1800 bucks for a machine that is almost usable.
Who do you think you are? Apple?
Daniel Schroedinger I don’t understand either, the i5 version is like $700
At least their computers actually work. This is just awful.
Josh Matotek I take it you haven’t visited Louis Rossmann’s channel lol
svfutbol20 don’t have to visit his channel to know their computers actually work.
@@svfutbol20 I mean, sure repairing them sucks, but I've never had a Mac die on me like I've had windows systems go down. I can't afford to delay a project to ship parts to me haha
- A friend: so how much does the new arm-powered surface cost?
- Me: An arm for an arm!
PS: It's priced at 1.8 kidneys according to Matthew Moniz.
ARMs for the arm god
This brings me memories to Windows RT 8, I'm not really sure if I want to deal with lack of support for ARM again... al least for now, I'm gonna wait until more people get onboard.
I feel like the winds are changing though, this is still very much an only early adopters need apply, but with MS, Apple, Amazon, Google, and of coarse Qualcomm pushing ARM, the industry is headed to ARM, and once developers get on board it's game over for Intel.
Things are changing quickly. Compilers, interpreters, drivers, kernel modules, and even compatibility layers are nearly there now for ARM. It could be a rough transition, but x86 is truly on its way out in most markets. It's just too bloated an architecture and I'm amazed it's been competitive for this long. But now all the big players are heavily investing in ARM so it's really only a matter of time. They know x86 can't advance much further because it's carrying so much legacy design that only made sense in older computing paradigms. And beyond ARM, RISCV is very likely to take over in some segments eventually as well, but that's at least a decade before we see anything significant on the consumer side. We're losing ability to tweak the process of semiconductor design, so we're starting to have to look at different architectures and better low level software that goes along with it.
Microsoft: "Remember the Windows RT tablet?"
Consumers: "Uhh... yeah?"
MS: "What if that but expensive?"
Consumers: "..."
MS: "Also no auxiliary or USB-A ports."
Consumers: "Why are you like this?"
TorpeAlex BUT HEY IT HAS USB-C!
Paradoxical Nightmare idfk, it’s at least usb 3.0 or higher. Standard is out of wack these days, usb 3.1 could be literally anything. For visual reference it’s the same connector top to bottom.
Wow this host is a lot like that zany carbon nanotubes guy that everyone loved on NCIX whose name was Riley Murdock.
Did someone say zany? 🤪
no such thing as lovx or not, doesn tmatter
Also, he sounds like Linus
5:00 the point at which everybody will forever remember when Riley finally snapped and killed everyone.
This thing costs an "Arm" and Leg
:p
This joke is really old.
RISC-y business this...
Surface Pro X:
Apple Silicon MacBook: Exists
„It can run photoshop“ more like it can walk photoshop or slide it across the ground?
Problem with emulated photoshop is that its not seeying the gpu and everything is rendered by software renderer.
This is absolutely amazing if you're willing to ignore the fact that it's next to useless.
lmao
LOL my god this comment sums up 99% of the por X reviews (and im sorry buy TLL treated my HP spectre worse than this useless device)
Remember when ARM was gonna replace x86?
3 years does make a difference
you can buy a surface book 2 with the i7 & gtx 1050 for the same price
They just shouldn’t call it “Pro” X. It’s not for pros.
It at least makes a bit more sense than iPhone Pro, since microsoft abandoned the plain ol "Surface" name for its higher end stuff. With app support this thing will rock the world of engineers looking to sling something over their shoulder for a meeting. The surface pro lineup has been the top choice for a lot of engineers I know due to thinness, versatility, and sketch capabilities...but without that versatility to run pretty much everything at least decently, it's not appealing to pros.
It doesn't deserve that name yet, but it will someday.
eric_arw you don’t expect a phone to be really pro. you don’t expect wireless earbuds to be pro but you might except a laptop to be an actual pro device
@@bartomiejkomarnicki7506 not sure what the point of your comment was but yeah i agree
eric_arw calling the iPhone or AirPods “Pro” is ok bc it doesn’t make you expect it to be a pro device. if you want to buy and iPad Pro, MacBook Pro or Surface Pro, you want it to be professional
@@bartomiejkomarnicki7506 yeah and i said it wasn't ready to be called pro yet. What's your point?
I feel like he is the face of LTT just given his charisma
I love James too, they make a good couple
@@VictorCaldoYou're right.
Wait. What?
@@VictorCaldo hol up
Charisma = being a moron
@@VaydaladaVodalada Maybe look up what that means
So....1000+ dollars for a glorified tablet to binge watch Netflix?
Pass.
I bought it and it is a piece of crap. Its nothing more than an overpriced chromebook. It runs barely any programs
The 4 and the 5 are still pretty hot though. Can run like 50% of games at 60fps
@@troyv.769 Apple’s tablets are better
apples own arm laptops now too
@@daviscurry2005 yep, I bought one and took it back after 2 days use and got the Pro 7. It wouldn't even run our companies cloud based software. It's a POS
I can just see Riley pulling his moustache hairs out trying to duplicate dropping the pen into it's slot.
No headphone Jack ? Why ? How much space could that take ?
Couple mm maybe 1cm in depth
@Meme.exe. Apple at least has the good sense to put headphone jacks in laptops.
The Surface Earbuds was announced at the same time. I think we know why
I'm gonna say tree fiddy.....millimeters
I personally like that they didn't include a headphone jack. It seems to me that the majority of people has wireless headphones nowadays. More products without a headphone jack will only push wireless technology further.
it's funny how this video re-appear in my recommendation, after the domination of AMD lineup and the announcement of Apple to get rid of Intel's chips
Indeed Intel is upping against the road, not to mention those abominable marketing tragedy
Same here... even found my own comment from 7 months ago.
Let's see if Apple does it better than Microsoft. At least with more devices on the market, there will be more support from the developers.
Ugh tell me about it
@@KP3droflxp epecially sinc ethey can just port ipad apps
@@KP3droflxp seems like they did a decent job... especially with the x86 emulation.
"In exercise in masochism".... and not the good kind aye.
But the real question here is:
*Does it scratch at level 6 with deeper grooves at level 7?*
Guys its funny cause its a jerry rig everything reference so it has to be funny right? riiight??????????? Fuck up kid.
laugh
Jerry Rig Everything : Allow me to to introduce myself
haha, FATMN ! (Fast air through my nostrils)
Give this man a cookie!
I don't think I've ever been so depressed after watching a tech review
Davie504 reference spotted 0:03
Slap like!
Whats up SLAPPERS
THATS ILLEGAL
*Davie504 joins the chat*
OMG
if Microsoft wants me to compile for arm then they should support it in their c compiler
their compiler is (from an optimization point of view) worse than the GNU C Compiler and Clang (in both cases for the Windows platform)
Microsoft's compiler is also worse at error reporting and finding than Clang and about the same as GCC
additionally if you are compiling C++, both Clang and GCC support the newer standards (way) earlier than Microsoft
They don't want you compiling for ARM, they want you compiling for .NET and UWP.
> choco install gcc-arm
I hear you, man... c:
@@kuhluhOG There were talks that MSVC is going to be based on LLVM at some point. I keep praying for that to actually happen. For now, I guess clang-cl is "an option" e.e
@@kuhluhOG building software on windows is just painful full stop.
For a second I thought Linus put on a cap, lost the 90’s boy band look and learned to grow facial hair.
I was wrong.
No one can rant like Linus.
Compatible apps...there is no guarantee that they will run well but you can install them....
Yeah but I bet windows update runs just fine (and often)
Is 'just fine' being used relatively here, because it should be? Windows updates are a crapshoot on anything lately.
I see this as a proof of concept. Give it 5-10 years and I can imagine that anything below a gaming rig desktop will be running arm
That will never happen. If you follow the development of processors, x86 has never been killed. RISC was seen as the future in the 80’s/90’s with Apple, SGI, and some NT servers running Mipps or PowerPC. And what happened? Apple went to x86, SGI went to x86, and the servers went to Xeon’s. Microsoft even tried ARM before, with the Surface and Surface 2, and both ultimately fizzled into nothing. AMD has revitalized x86 with Ryzen, and I think its safe to say x86 is going to stay for at least another decade.
Lmao no.
@@KeijonAutoVuokra You won't be able to run shit. All your packages won't be compatible with ARM architecture unless you get a specific version which is just a pain in the ass.
Microsoft have tried this for years... it just never worked smoothly.
Emulating a CPU isn't really that hard. The issue is that arm need a lot more code. So it will run much slower.
Also. The reason why risc losses out in the 90-tys was Cisco cashing advantage. This makes cisc more die effective despite having more transistors per core.
And the instruction andvantige give cisc both a frequency and instruction efficiency advantage.
A lot of stupid people talking about the pros of risc and totally ignoring cisc also have pros
Cheaper to just use Samsung dex mode... Oh and stylus is included
Product: *joke*
Price: *meme*
It has potential though
@@circuit10 Potential as the most expensive paperweight you'll ever buy.
@@Nobody90019 more useful than a Chromebook, but that's not saying much.
Josh B Nar that’s Apple
@@mcwaff8661 you've clearly never owned an ipad. I use my laptop once a month now, only to compile my apps, something I could be doing by borrowing a computer. My laptop is the paperweight, not my ipad.
*Speaks about Windows 10 stuff*
Me:
This would run Linux things.
That was my first and immediate thought! I have seen GParted live USBs for ARM. So surely, there are proper distros too. And actually, this would make a great linux device! But I wonder what DE would work best for that... Actually, is there a tablet focused DE yet? I remember tabbing around in Ubuntu's creepy default DE forever ... only to then just throw it out, lol
And I bet Linux would fit much better. If you look at Debian repository, pretty much every important open source software (Libreoffice, GIMP, IDEs, games, browsers, etc.) has been ported to ARM long ago. Or you can compile it yourself.
@@user-xr3rb6pn9m Also Wine perhaps, which would be extremely ironic.
@@IngwiePhoenix that's essentially the whole point of Gnome 3.
@@IngwiePhoenix Zorin OS DE have a tablet mode, Unity was touch friendly or maybe Manjaro arm with Gnome is a option
01:27 wow Dennis
I remember the Surface RT. I actually got hired to do tech support for it at launch. They trained up an army of us in preparation for all the problems and... there really weren't any. So yeah, of course the scope of the machine meant it was just "an tablet" that didn't have the big Apple or Android ecosystems. But that was just a problem that stopped people buying it. Once they had it, the thing just worked. I would go DAYS without getting a single call. Eventually they gathered up like 80% of us and herded us into Xbox 360 (at the time) support, which was an absolute zoo in comparison.
Incidentally, I was also there for the Xbox One rollout, which while not as sedate as Surface, proved to be way less of a princess than the 360.
Please let Riley do more of these! :) You can feel that he is the one who writes the laptop reviews so it seems to fit.
Linus has left youtube
Literally
Linus got minused.
He has a sore throat i think
It is only Linus's sinues that have left us
Run GNU/Linux. You can compile you applications for arm64.
Yup. Full native desktop experience, way better state than Windows ARM.
Just get the pi-TOP if you want an ARM laptop
There's a reason for why Google enabled android apps for ChromeOS.
That feeling when you realise Microsoft removed the headphone jack from laptops before Apple did ... 😬
The last Microsoft surface I used had a headphone jack😂
surface pro x isn't really a laptop, to me it looks like a premium version of those older android tablet keyboard devices we had back then. And There's still surface pro 7 too...
IT ISN'T A LAPTOP! IT'S MORE OF AN IPAD REPLACEMENT!
All of this in the name of slim profiles. Honestly, 5-7mm is slim enough, and you can use the extra volume for a 3.5mm TRRS jack. And maybe find a way to cram some more LiPo battery cells in
@@OuijTube Agreed. It's a laptop! I don't know anyone who would actually need a laptop thinner than a centimeter. All that wasted space for a bigger batter :(
I really wish software publishers would sell programs as encrypted code that is compiled for the target CPU during installation. That would take care of most situations where an application can't run on a specific processor.
I always love when Riley does a review on the mobile PC tech.
I like when he said “Yikes”
I cringed.
@@MrSolLeks Anime profile picture
@@microgamestation says the gas mask profile picture lol.
@@MrSolLeks Says the stinky idiot!
@@microgamestation come on we aren't dictated by our pfp's
0:51
*the similarity between their voices scares me*
Yep
It’s his twin 😂
Laughed right out loud at that old Windows ta-da
Reminds me of good old times when Apple was using PowerPC…
Maybe they’ll go back to RISC as well.
They are: Apple A cpus in Macs expected circa 2024
Arm Apple is on its way
But cisc is the standard!
@@bobhanson1037
There are no CISC chips. Current gen x86 chips are RISC chips with a built-in interpreter.
That Photoshop lag on that (new) Surface Pro X is just painful, 3:17
3:20 man I was hoping him to say "Exercise in Futility" revealing LTT:s deep love for contemporary Polish black metal.
Riley is a fantastic presenter... love seeing him host LMG vids outside of TL.
I legitimately went for an older version of the surface pro because I need a bunch of applications that don't run on ARM.
this is a good host, let him do more
yeah, but the product is crap, i'm getting bored of these informmercials.
@@dcaban85 how is it an infomercial? He's criticizing this product the whole time
Riley needs to be in more videos... He reminds me a lot of Will Forte
He reminds me a lot of Riley.
The thing about this is... People say "Microsoft! Start fresh! Get rid of that Win95 stuff from Windows 10!" but the same people then turn around and "Wait, it does not run Win32 apps? What is the fucking point then?"
Riley: Despite those minor annoyances...
Everyone else: stfu 1800$ is minor I guess ool
@Advocatus Diaboli It starts at $999.
@@Kr1sVr the one in the video is the sweet spot range
finally, at least someone dropped the sponsor segway after a long time
Yep that was clean. At least the end one was. Keep it up guys!
Good Review on sharing many open different angle views.
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My own experiences using 2 weeks Surface Pro X, and MS Surface Pro 7 core I 5
Before having MS Surface Pro X , I bought SF pro 7, it is working well and fast. After 2-3 weeks, I had to buy another one computer, I had to give SF pro 7 to my college to work continue 1 week for urgent adhoc many reports requested by customer.
Then I have to buy another surface for my parallel works on presenting, office and web browsing, traveling several places.
when I saw SF Pro X firstly open in Microsoft Big Event and later in the MS shop seller, I was very impressed on very nice improved design and functions of MS Surface Pro X.
Design look the best among the nowadays tablet, and smart ultra traveling notebook .
13” screen is good for views.
Quality of screen and sound and video were much improved than older pro version.
So, I have gone through studying a lot from Surface Pro X reviews, both on their MS own website and third opinions.
Most of reviewers, youtubers focused only performance and limitation on new ARM processor, those said many problems on negative about Surface pro X.
So I think, I should try and explore more details by myself on this Product, because...
I don't want to have 2 surface similar. I wanna try different.
And I believe inner inside that,
"MS team must have some good reasons to launch something new by new chipset with this ARM".
There should be reason good enough to go for ARM with this product. I like thing about starting of AI feature on this SQ1 chip.
“After hearing other, better to try with your own experiences.” ...
Then have to do my own test,
I went to the seller Shop to do the test.
I bring my SSD HD data containing many of files, that i regularly use to do my own real test at Surface Pro X seller shop spending almost 1-2 hours for all tests.
I am the one who usually do the works on MS office.
I do reports with MS word, one file size could be more than 100 MB.
At the same time I would do multiple tasks, opening Excel sheet picking up several data financial and analysis technical data several sheet calculating.
Moreover , I am doing at the same time opening 10-15 pages pdf file parallel with doing slide presentation with power point that containing tons of high definition of pictures and videos.
While doing all above I am opening many windows of web browsers,
doing search internet data.
One can be email on gmail, one is opening youtube music for relaxing,
anothor one could be working on email,
another one monitoring stock and gold price, ready to buy and sell.
While I am testing, I open my presentation slide made of MS power point, that is quite big size of 400 MB. With lot of HD pic and Video embed on it to test the severe case.
All of working windows, I open through my SSD HD connected via USB C port because Testing SF Pro x at the shop is demo machine.
All that programs and open windows as mentions above on test are working very well.
While doing all many tasks on Pro X as all above I mentioned, opening 100 MB with MS word doing report, opening youtube 4 K, opening several files (excel, pdf documents, edge browsers surfing more than 10 pages web browsing ) to copy data to creating report, and also at the same time doing that quite big size 400 MB slide presentation.
Result is that, MS Surface pro X is working smooth without any problem, working fast, honestly to say that it is slower a bit comparing to surface pro 7 core i5 256 RAM, as I said, the one I gave to my college for working on writing reporting .
(I would say that Microsoft Pro X, at the shop, is the one that skilled seller just update lasted programs, software and firmware, I guess many things and problems were fixed.)
Web browsing and Movie on RUclips are working very well with impressive quality.
See clear on big screen,
Nice details with full High Definition,
Resolution is almost 4 K movies with fine and smooth through my eyes.
.
The sound and movie are showing on Surface Pro X are very IMPRESSIVE.
The sound is not as good as iPad Pro , but it is really good enough to enjoy the entertainment.
The outlook of SF Pro X design is very impressive, pretty much beautiful.
The handling, carrying Surface Pro x is very suited for traveling people like me, while I am going out to give lecture and consulting to students and customers.
Due to the working style and my age, I don't mind much about gaming performance, because I do not have much time left for games.
I used to be a game lover when I was young, but after coming to some old age, I gradually fade off it.
Photos and Videos I usually take and work simply by iphone and ipad.
So Adobe Photoshop and A Illustrator or A Premiere were never used on this Surface.
But heard that in a few months, Adobe team is working on to develop those photo apps to be compatible on ARM.
MS Edge and Edge Canery developed for ARM is working very smooth and fast.
So that is enough support for me to choose this computer, MS SF PRO X.
So, I made decision to buy Surface PRO X.
New MS PEN is used for many comfort functions.
It is really work for noting, drawing very good ergonomic and smooth use.
After buying,
This MS Surface Pro X had been tested, opening files, working all day and night.
Even I take rest sleeping, but computer had to be opened , because continuing work on many data files.
This SF had to keep running open to finish more than 3 reports, the Due Diligence reports for customer in 2 weeks. Each report size is more than 60-90 MB and has more than 100 pages.
So the long time test had proven its reliability and stability.
I would say this Surface Pro X is very best suited for me.
Nice Design, very lightweight, look smart when presenting work to customerss,
Good for web surfing and browsing data, watching movies in RUclips.
...
People use different computers for their different purposes and experiences,
select the one that fit to you.
I do like one the Pro X machine.
When it is working such a long time, it is notices that this machine is not as heat as SF pro 7 ,
I think because of lower power (watt) used in ARM processor.
All above mentioned, I do love this MS Surface Pro X.
Its designs, functions, and features are very fascinating one.
That moment when I look at the few Amazon reviews and all I can think is "Ouch".
“Check out the hack pro part 3 video....” he says..... where TF is it dude..... where.
Floatplane, soon on RUclips I guess.
7:23 *quietly* "woh..." - Riley 2019
Damn Riley should host more often he's a natural
Well he had all that time doing it for NCIX to get him prepared
3:12 I couldn't help but notice LTT included Madison in the video...
Microsoft: Here's an ARM tablet, Surface Pro X
Surface Pro X: I can run Photoshop*
Apple from distance: Is that all you can do?
It is a 2 in 1 not a tablet and a proper comparision was an iPad trying to run MacOSX.
Red Phoenix Except Apple isn't dumb enough to launch an iPad with MacOSX
Vidit Arora I think it could be a great idea, just like the surface pro lineup.
Riley's reviews are way too good
He could make his own RUclips channel and compete with the bigger tech RUclipsrs.
Favorite Hosts on LTT (excluding Linus and Yvonne)
1) Maddie (made Linus hurt 😂😂)
2) Riley! (Dethroned by Maddie)
3) Anthony
Riley should continue having dramatic vlog narrations!! 😆
It’s good to see Riley doing tech product reviews.
When he was talking about it being like a freshman Riley somehow really looked like a movie coach
I love everything Riley does. Keep him forever
0:03
Is that a Davie504 reference?
i think it is!
Google: *releases ultra thin laptop with great battery life*
LTT: "overpriced dumb machine can't run photoshp" *cry*
MS: *releases twice as expensive, thicker laptop that can't run photoshp*
LTT: "a triumph "
Didn't they install photoshop on this?
@@robertt9342 Yes, but it was unusable so really no it can't run Photoshop
LTT store : Underwear 3-pack $50
Lew : *Write that down* !!
Lew later : I don't like underwear, so I made my own...
Everyone critized Microsoft for using ARM with windows.
Now that apple is doing it, everyone is crazy about it.
True. People are crazy sometimes.
Because Microsoft did it badly? ARM has great potential but you can't half ass the transition
@@naramoro I agree as most of the essential programs like adobe cc wasn't supported but atleast microsoft tried. Who knows? Even apple may mess it up.
Not the same to be honest, Apple showed Shadow of the Tomb Raider running at 1080p on Rosetta 2 (Emulation, 25%-40% performance loss and still up to par with the 3400G) while Microsoft only promised that they would bring emulation until 2021 (They also showed Maya and Final Cut Pro) not to mention that it was the A12Z, which is essentially the A12X (launched in 2018) compared to the Snpd 855 is a looooot better, the 855 uses 8 cores (4 Cortex A76 and 4 Cortex A55) The 1+3 Cortex A76 being the "Strong" cores and the 4 Cortex A55 the "Efficiency" cores, just for comparision, the A13 "Lightning" efficiency cores are 2.5-3x more powerful than the Cortex A55 WHILE using half the power, that's the A13, SotTR was running on the A12Z cores, and new Apple Silicon devices will be running on a customized version of the A14, in conclusion, Apple gave us something to be excited for and Microsoft didn't (Early benchmarks of the developer transition kit give a similar performance compared to the Air 2020, with 4 of the 8 cores disabled and the 4 cores running at 2.4GHz instead of 2.5GHz)
@@MsMonster128 the a12z preforms better in benchmarks though doesnt it?
looks like its gonna be an
ARMs race
"The full power of Windows."
Hahahahaha. Good one.
Reduced instruction sets are also suitable for powerhouse tasks, its just that most programs right now are written for complex instruction sets. The reason we use complex instruction sets was because computers did not have enough storage to hold both the program and all the data it needed. Most processors convert complex instruction sets to reduced ones on the fly anyway. Reduced instruction sets are better for pipelining, making the possibility for higher IPCs possible
I had some Member ask me if Costco's was getting the surface pro X, i had to respond with a SLIGHT chuckle..no and talked him into the Surface Pro 7.
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Can't even let Riley do a 5 second sponsorship. Splicing Linus in is such a cop out.
Thats the sponsors requiring Linus do the ads. It's entirely their fault.
how is it in any way a cop out lmao
9:22 That's a weird way of saying 58
Lmmmaaaooop
Imagine buying a over $1500 laptop that has less usability than a $500 phone, much lesser.
Lol this $1500 "laptop" has less usability than a decade old $50 Core 2 Duo Laptop
Adam Smith It's such a pity because the design is so good, hope they put this design on the Surface Pro 8
Adam Smith yeah no lmfao. It’s still better than anything from 2009, by a huge margin. Try editing a 720p video with a core 2 duo laptop, then try editing 1080p on a Pro X. Doesn’t matter what software you use the core 2 duo will suck ass.
Riley is one of my favorite reporters on RUclips/the media space
I have the Samsung GalaxyBook 2. For me it's perfect because the battery life is fantastic, it's highly portable, it has an AMOLED display that looks FANFREAKINGMAZING, Decent key travel, LTE and a premium build quality. I have a desktop at home for the heavier tasks this is good for script writing on the go.
It won't be for everyone but arm laptops aren't meant for gamers or cad rendering.
This device seems perfect for a corporate setting where the user spends most of their time in the browser; office365, salesforce, etc. Just nail the browser component (the new ie is built on chromium) and it should be a winner
So it's a Chromebook?
Idk, the rigged x86 support, no type-A USB ports, no headphone jack. I would say Surface Pro 7 fills that role better.
yh, no.
@@tarkfarhen3870 I'm assuming by tablet you mean iPad or Android, so the easy answer to that is Active Directory/SSO. Correct me if I'm wrong (please) but I think the AD integration on consumer tablets is pretty nonexistent, and in an corporate/enterprise setting it's a non negotiable
@@tarkfarhen3870 For you sure, but others may have different use cases. I personally wouldn't buy it because it can't run x64 based apps that I would want to use, but I can see why I business might (remote desktop services maybe?), just an idea.
FS I'm not going to lie, I really want this hardware but I'm afraid the software environment I use won't work on it
furbs Just get an i7 model
@@svfutbol20 a surface pro i7 ?
furbs Yeah. That or an i5 model is what I’d get
That "thiccboi" still makes almost every other laptop feel heavy lol. Actually the iPad Pro with the smart cover attached is heavier than a Surface Pro 7 with one! About two pounds for what you get is still pretty incredible with the Intel showing, but I do hope the 8 gets the redesign next year at the very latest. I thought they were waiting for Ice Lake for a redesign but yeah, the 7 is very samey apart from USB C.
Is that a LTT merch mouse pad at 8:43 ? Because I want one
*whispers* Lttstore.com
Say what you will, I’m never buying a laptop or phone without headphone jack.
Not that I have thousands of bucks to buy them anyway.
I agree. If it doesn't have a headphone jack it's trash.
I think not having a headphone jack cripples the device to some degree. I have wired and wireless headphones and I do like using wired on laptops more for some reason. It just seems right lol
@@kentaurus9610 I want to use wired headphones because I hate the idea of having to charge my headphones, fuck that.
Fırat Altay I agree with you, wired is the best reliability. If it ain’t broke right?
KenTaurus96 Yes and I always lose or break headphones in a few days, so there’s no way I’m spending more than £/$/$10 on them
To put "smaller instruction set" into perspective: The ARM11 that powered the original Raspberry Pi doesn't even support hardware division and modulo operations. It needs a precompiled library to do very basic stuff like that.
I loved my Surface RT. Fast, office and windows explorer included, can't run windows viruses.
Ditto for same reasons, the RT started me on the Surface journey.
Mine ran like dog with three legs, and the 2014 windows update client refused to install after resetting the tablet. => iow, no longer secure for internet use.
The fact that Microsoft blocked the update and removed any OS upgrade path (to Windows 10)
or allow removal of the secure-boot lock to allow owners to do as they wish with their hardware.
Just puts me right off investing money or time with it.