The Surface Pro X - 1 Year Later
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The Microsoft Surface Pro X got an incomplete grade in my review lat year. With Microsoft updating the processor this year and announcing 64 bit emulation I thought this would be a good time to go back and see how things have improved.
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Adobe be like: I can't hear you....all this money it's making me deaf!
“Pulling it off the shelve for the first time in months”.... Told me almost all I needed to know.
I just realized that "Brad *Cowboy"* is a badass name
So is Darth Vader
Yea
haha, this is my favorite comment thread this week!
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How about Chad Outlaw
5:52 that is just some terrible lag lol
Adobe was also on stage with Apple at iPad Pro 2018 unveiling, promising FULL Photoshop experience. That did affect my purchasing decision and I got the device at launch. Photoshop arrived year later than promised, being a far cry from the real deal and with 10 euro/dollar per month cost (not that I expected it to be free but..).
I don't believe for one second that they couldn't do it. They're swimming in money so they have the resources, they just don't want to. Not until ARM based machines become more common and the need becomes more apparent. Celsys made full Clip Studio on ARM and it's cheaper too, even though I still dislike the subscription model.
9:57 there is actually an easy fix for those blobby lines in Krita, just go to configure krita > pen settings and choose windows ink instead of wintab and restart krita, the problem should be fixed. It worked for me when I had the same problem with another laptop.
9:48 wait what, did you Brad just do a little "loading a program finger dance" right here? 🤣❤
wait wtf it’s seriously been a full year?! wow- just. wow
Adobe seem to be making a lot of unfulfilled promises to ARM manufacturers this last 3 years.... I just think if you go down the ARM route (except for the new ARM Macs coming in the next 18 months) forget Adobe. It could be that Adobe just can't port these Apps over to ARM touch software in any convincing way - maybe this is the clearest clue that Apple's new ARM Macbooks and iMacs won't support touch in any meaningful way compared to their big rivals.
Adobe took 2 years to port from PowerPC to Intel, back when Apple switched architectures. I'd guess Adobe needs a similar amount of time dor the move from Intel to ARM on both Windows and MacOS.
@@fallinginthed33p - do you honestly think Adobe are going to make a touch centric Photoshop on ARM?
@@fablewalls Nope. I'm hoping it'll be a straightforward port of the x86 version. Adobe apps have too much legacy cruft to make them touch friendly.
@@fallinginthed33p - all the big desktop Apps coming to iPad or ARM devices (small screen) are making the biggest sacrifice of all which is taking away user real estate. Until iPads or Samsung S devices start hitting 13 inches+ then there's no point really. I use CSP on my zbook as well as Photoshop - I don't like CSP on my iPad because I'm not 25 yrs old anymore and human eyes get weaker as you grow older.
Touch friendly also means simplified interface to me. Of course I'd love to see Flash / Animate on an iPad but I don't work for a big studio and so I don't need the one reason that Adobe still kicks it in the industry which is dynamic linking across the suite. And because of that dynamic linking - there's no major financial reason for Adobe to port properly over and so what I originally said - if you want to work on an ARM device - "forget Adobe."
@@fablewalls Man I want one of those massive pear pads seen in Victorious.
Great video, Brad! Super informative. I'd love to see something like this about the Pixel Slate - tons of the lag issues and stuff have been solved and I use (and like) it for notes and stuff every single day! :)
I am absolutely fine with the compromises if it was cheaper.
Great to see the shoutout for Leonardo! One of my faves. Surprised to see how laggy Concepts seemed to be just when drawing simple lines.
im not sure why it was laggy for him I use concepts from time to time on my Pro X but never had that issue
Thanks for the update Brad!. Would love to hear your thoughts on the 64Bit emulation coming through on the Windows Insiders program this November. Also we have Adobe Max hitting tomorrow, maybe there will be some stronger commitment to ARM announced, especially considering Apples imminent move to their own silicon.
I love sketching in Leonardo and a Surface Pro X sounds great. I still worry about speed and long-term support/issues. Plus the price.
I'm always shocked at exactly how lazy Adobe can be. They're going to be forced to support ARM sooner than later as thats that Apple has chosen to go with for their computers going forward. But the fact haven't yet is genuinely super disappointing, at least for Photoshop and Illustrator at least. But they simply refuse to support any distro of Linux, despite the outcry from the Linux community for it :/
@Carl Wolsey It’s definitely possible, even if it means rewriting the apps and starting from scratch, releasing stripped down versions initially and beefing them up over time. Thing is, if they had started working on that support years ago they might be ready to ship more full fledged apps by the time Apple moves to ARM. But now...
Still no explanation for Cowboy. The controversy grows deeper.
Probably since its easy to remember for newer subscribers
He did it in his discord ... So yeah
I don't do creative work such as drawing, but I do have a photography and videography workflow, and own an SPX. I'll start by saying that the SPX is exactly what Apple is trying to get to, software aside. It's the first tablet that I could actually work from and replace a computer with. A lot of folks take basic functions for granted, and when they look to a tablet, simple things can quickly become complicated or not ideal. I'm talking things like printing, NAS file access, USB devices, etc. The SPX is vastly closer to a desktop-like experience than iOS or Android. Yes, iOS has better creative apps that run natively, however, this goes beyond just finding an app to fit a specific purpose.
Ok, so what does this have to do with creativity? Well, in my instance, I have a NAS file server, VMWare Whitebox server, photo printer, and LoupeDeck, microphones, etc. I've tried Androids and iPads. I could not replicate a comfortable workflow on any tablet, until the SPX. I run a VM environment with a W10 VM that has Lightroom, Vegas, etc. on it - so I'm not running any of that natively on the device. But I can RDP and passthrough my USB devices to the environment as if it was native on the device. Plug in a camera and it shows up under My Computer on the VM. Access the full photo library on the NAS is just like any other windows machine - no special apps or workarounds. Printing? Just install the driver like any other windows machine. Leave the house? Use LTE and remote in. Not as fast, but can get the job done in a pinch with enough data speed.
Where the SPX shines well, well above its arm competitors, is its ability to provide a windows like experience for the supporting functions of a workflow. This is where iOS and Android fall apart. You can get closer with Android than iOS, but some of that is due to OS architecture and it's still not as fluid an experience as W10oA. This is just my 2 cents, because I never see youtubers mention any of the supporting elements. It's all just "Look iOS has better apps for tablets". It's true, but having a decent touch app for one function doesn't help me get everything done. Cheers.
I have the Surface pro x and I must say it's amazing as a tablet and computer. Yes you can't run everything, but 64bit support is coming next month and almost everything working so smooth... And the battery is amazing as well. It has so much potential compare to Intel CPU anyways now there many essential apps running already natively such as browser, Teams, VLC, Microsoft office and so on.. Even for developers now supported visual basic and Linux subsystem. Can't wait for the day when everything supported natively on ARM.
I don't think MS Office runs natively it's emulated
@@ahmedihab4661 from what I saw Office 365 supported natively and if it's not then it works amazing with the emulation.
@@Alex-mu3gf interestingly enough i found that MS Office is actually a sort of hybrid executable using ARM code while the software interface is an emulated x86, this is actually a very clever work around for performance benefits, but energy consumption seems to be another story.
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yeah i agree!
Hey Brad! I have a surface pro 7 with intel core 5. I really wanted to buy the surface pro X but it was too expensive for me. Honestly I think that it was the best decision I’ve made because I wasn’t aware of the performance problem with the new processor ( it was my first windows computer). The only thing that I really like about the surface pro x is the wider screen, the pencil, and the keyboard. Aside from that, the surface pro x doesn’t offer that much. I am someone that uses heavy softwares since I’m a engineering student and I am also a digital artist, so the surface pro x wasn’t going to work for me. I am surprised on how much I can do with the pro 7! It became my best device ever! I even forgot that the surface pro X existed until a week ago when they announced the new one. When I saw the comercial I immediately felt like I made the wrong decision but, thanks to this video, it reminded me that the 7 was the best option for me.
Hey, Does it mean that this Laptop is not suitable for coding? Plz confirm.
@@visheshmahale790 In the surface pro 7, I did some coding for my programming class so I think it works fine, but I’m not someone that uses coding regularly so I’m not 100% certain that how it would work with heavier coding. I just know that I like the surface pro a lot because I can do a lot of things with it, but the only downside is that I realized that my computer can run my engineering programs but when it’s too heavy, it doesn’t work properly and it could even crash (I have an intel core 5 so I also don’t have the best specs). Because of this, I’m thinking of buying a gaming computer in order to be able to run those heavy programs.
There is a new surface pro though, that has the design of the pro x and has an intel core processor, but I also heard that the surface pro 9 is going to come out soon so you can also wait for it to come out to see the specs.
Thank You...
My 5&6 year olds love sketchable on their surface Go's. It's pretty intuitive.
Watching on my Surface Pro X!! :D
I bough right now
How do you like it? Sq1 or sq2?
@@TellurdogIsayhi SQ1, my only problem is that chrome loads pages a bit too slow, other than that its perfect for students/workers alike
@@gaizeemore neat! I’m probably gonna buy the sq2/16/512gb model since it’s on sale for black friday. I plan on using microsoft edge, so I should be plenty fine :)
@@gaizeemore +1700 usd and load a webpage slow,
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hey brad, Did you major in computer science?? I'm a programmer, I'm amazed about terms that you are using are super accurate and professional when you explain about the architectural difference between x86 and arm including apple silicon, great video.!
Love the review. I’m glad for hearing such great perspective different from always hearing from video editors
I waited for a video for long i am happy now its here
I've been seeking for a video like this for months, and I'm grateful that I found it. Thanks to this video, I've changed my purchasing choice.
Great video Brad, love ya
Will you do a 1.5 year later video? Ironically, similar to how you missed that art app, you also just missed the x64 emulation support that got added around November 😁 Would be good to see an updated view with x64 support (and emulation seems faster to me as times gone on)
Agree on this!
2020 Acer Spin 5, you can have your full drawing programs and tablet programs too, comes with a nifty wacom aes pen. Or you can get a wacom bamboo plus pen. Brad, review? Doesn't come with a drawing glove though so no glove dance, just saying!
Hey Brad, Thank you for the greaat review! is your version running the new SQ2 processor or the older one?
This is the SQ1 not the SQ2
I honestly think i may pick one of these up for black friday as a christmas present for myself...i pretty much live in a browser and don’t use any special apps or programs, and I love big tablets over traditional laptops.
great review sir
Sucks cause this seems so close to offering real competition to iPads but it needs a lot of work software wise
Dear sir how about you make a review about xp pen deco 1 V2 I am going to buy that and please make some drawing out of it and unbox also
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How much you want to bet some of this stuff will work for Mac on ARM day 1?
Dang
Nice and useful video.
Keep it up brad 👍👍
I want surface pro x to succeed but I feel like the ball is in the app devs court. But if Microsoft can pull off good X86 emulation on there arm processor then that can change things
Hey, buddy we are receiving the new updates from Adobe and Microsoft for 64 bit emulations for this surface x and can you please be able to make a new and updated video and please always mention your personal usage time with the products, that’s very much important because we use the products as you use.
8:58 we still wait for full photoshop on iPad pro announced on apple events a couple of years ago...
They should have put this out as an option for the Surface Go. It's a lower-end machine, so most people are going to stick to the basics like Edge, Office, and Paint anyway. There's likely a cost factor at play leading them to try a higher-end device like the Pro, but it's the kind of strategy that doesn't work in the long run. With the Go, you'd get the device in more people's hands, so even if it's a loss up front, you'll at least get the attention of developers who may see the potential.
What does the software offers for artists look like in February 2022? Has it gotten better? Which application works well with the ARM architecture?
I still want to know about GIMP
Leonardo is an awesome app for the surface pro
I was unstable between iPad 8th generation and tab s6 lite. i have a small sticker shop and i am drawing for it. Which one do you think I should buy? money is important to me but the reason I want to buy an iPad is procreate
Great Info.Thanks Brad
You are the best & most reliable hardware & software tech advisor!
8:54 yeah, they DID make purchasing decisions based on those promises, which is why it's important for media (that's you included, Brad) to not be like "oh, this is a better device now that they promised something or somesuch" because it's not a better device now. Like, I've been on this Earth long enough to know marketing bollocks when I see them, but the media needs to start calling the bollocks out! Like, this very video, Brad, you say "it's great that they promised to emulate 64 bit applications", and it is! It IS great that they promised, but that doesn't make the Surface Pro X a better device. It MAY make it a better device in the FUTURE, but NOW? It isn't. And in the future, you'll make a video about the new 64 bit emulation and MAYBE you'll say "now it's good!"
Most likely you'll say it's terrible, because 64 bit emulation will be even slower than 32 bit emulation, but let's not get technological shenanigans get in the way of my poiint.
My point is media needs to stop selling promises as if they were products.
nVidia sold the RTX cards based on the promise of raytraced games. There were no raytraced games for 6 months. After 2 years there barely are any raytraced games. But the media didn't let facts get in the way of marketing, they just say "oh, the future is great"
I don't care about the future. My money pays what I buy TODAY (and if I were like most people, it'd pay what I bought last year, because credit is how the world works), not what I will buy in two years.
Great video though. Very insightful as always!
I think blaming adobe is different than blaming microsoft, who actually probably are going to provide support for 64 emulation
@@HT-pl8du Sure. And when they do, I'll wait for the performance reviews and all that and THEN make my purchasing decisions. Not before. My point is we can't buy things based on what they promise to be in the future.
@@TiagoMorbusSa *cough cough* YanDev *cough cough*
Krita: settings>display>preferred render:direct3d 11 via ANGLE (no open gl !!!). TRY THIS
Dude, love your channel
Keep it up!
The surface pro wasn't actually meant for creators and inventors. That is why they have the surface and the surface book. ARM based devices, atleast for now are perfect for use in corporate applications, where thousands of these are deployed to employees working remotely. Most of these only need to use office, webex/zoom/teams/meet, and good battery life...with the occasional cellular connectivity applications. ARM is perfect for this, as it is one of the only ways to get connected while mobile without using a hotspot or a WAN type card.
ARM started with the windows RT, but didnt get much traction due to the lack of cores back then. With samsung's new devices using Dex (giving a desktop type experience), Apple's support for this, and the SQ1 by MSFT, there is finally a big enough reason for developers to focus on this. It always goes this way, first to enterprises, then general use. I'd say give it about a year or 2 more, and you'll not only see emulations, but native support for a lot of apps and games.
Awesome vids, looking to pick up the new ipad air, but I'm waiting for your review first 😂 any idea when that video is coming out?
Hey it needs to be delivered after the purchase.
+Time for testing it
And the making of the video....
That would take some time
I like that you have a real understanding of the future potential and you don't just trash it. I'm disappointed with Adobe as well. They really dropped the ball. Either software needs to catch up or Intel need to catch up. I don't care which. For me the ProX has been great and their wall is much smaller than the chromeOS wall but it is still there.
I was so close to buy this thing but gladly I skipped it and went for the iPad Pro 11" 2020
What helped you make this decision?
Have you looking into reviewing Surface Studio 2? I'm looking into it and I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Hi ! Thanks for the review. When you say it is laggy on adobe Illustrator may I ask if it makes a difference wether you use the 8go or 16 go RAM surface pro X ? Which one did you have when making this video? Thank you.
Hey Brad!
I want to buy a drawing tablet, and I’m between the iPad Pro and the surface pro (Borge the x and the 7) so, I’ve got a question, which of those three would you recommend for drawing?
It depends on what **YOU** need...
If you're begginer forget the surface get the ipad pro.
There's no single answer on what's best..
you need to give more info... What do you do? ART, ANIMATION??
If its you first Drawing Tablet i got my fist experience with the Ipad to the begin i was totally confused (android user),but with the tile i found really good software for the Ipad for me like Vizref and procreate which are exclusive for Ios.
Even as Android user i would never buy a Android tablet because of the poor software support
Correction... not all ARM processors are less powerful than the x86 intel processor. iPad pros benchmark side by side with most i7 processors. ARM could be great if optimized correctly.
What about affinity designer?
gah! isn't concepts intended to be used with your left thumb handling the wheel? That's how I use it and freakin' love it. Drawboard has a similar dial interface too, and a few of my clients have commented on my ability to quickly mark stuff up in virtual meetings!
November's Windows 10 beta will have 64 bit emulation. Should be interesting, especially coupled with the 2020 Surface Pro X since it's CPU is more capable.
Does that mean we can use app programs like adobe on this?
EyhTwo Zed surface pro x is still experimental.
yesssssss New video, need me some brad
People been asking for arm based computer and now that they got it they act like they didnt ask for it in the first place, they only think arm based = more battery life, they forgot about perfromance and stuff.
It's good that the device exists, but it's just not its time yet.
Indeed, it’s a forerunner of something fantastic-yet-to-be.
Adobe stuff will be ready when the ARM based Macs come out later this year. At least that is what Apple and Adobe said. Hopefully they make it.
It looks laggy from the pen input
hey Brad, which one would you choose? Surface Pro X or Samsung tabs7+. Generally for drawing and designing and microsoft tools.
Good review.. the thing with adobe is they will have to support arm if apple are going to silicone. So hopefully they up their speed.
Does affinity work on surface pro x?
Sounds like I’m going to keep waiting til they work out the bugs..I need to be able to use Capture One Pro (photo software) with Affinity photo. Looks like I’ll be waiting awhile.
Adobe now runs natively on arm processor ... no more lag
I have the same shirt as Brad!
Brad, does the surface dial for the studio work with this as well?
I haven't seen anyone demonstrate that.
I can confirm it does however I never tried it on screen. I can update you after I pick up mines from my GF house(she "borrowed" it for her Inktober challenges)
Present day 2023 2024, Windows 11 Arm 64 is a game changer.
That moment when you've been gone for so long, Brad turned into a cowboy. Thumbs up if you remember when Brad was Brad Colbow
Up 1 hour, 331 likes 0 dislikes yet. That speaks for itself!
Wired that krita doesn't doesn't support arm as it's open sores and you'd think by now there's someone would have made a perfectly suitable compiler for whatever language it uses
and for goodness sake it's on Android that's arm-based and has nothing to do with windows
So which drawing tablet to buy?
What tablet is good for most adobe apps
Excellent
How do you maintain it cleannn, I’ve had mine for 24 hrs and it’s full of fingerprints 😭😂 Also, do you know if chrome works on the surface pro X?
The Chrome browser works very well on the Surface Pro X - it's a gorgeous machine, cool and fanless. Great for public speaking - finish typing, pull the keyboard off, turn to portrait mode, and away you go. Thin, light and very portable. Inbuilt LTE useful too.
I honestly think the hardware is good but make it a bit thicker and use Amd or intel chips maybe some more interesting colours than black and silver
I just got a pro X, but my guess is take a laptop around for the 5% it needs to do. In my case, 3D modeling
I use Concepts on my Samsung Windows 10 tablet, awesome app
Thanks for the update! Concepts seemed laggy AF. Shame cause that and Sketchable are my go to drawing apps. Do you feel Concepts is struggling due to your specific spec of Surface Pro X or the app itself?
i think its the laptop. ive seen another youtuber use concepts on an ipad + tab s7. and i don’t remember seeing lag in those videos
I think it's the Surface Pro X.
They just brought out a second gen of the surface pro x 2
I’m debating on buying it as it’s on sale for 200 bucks off for black friday. It’s not much of an improvement at all though sadly, just a tiny CPU overclock.
Adobe’s only hook for me is Fresco. If they aren’t supporting it, pass.
iPad Air 2020 review please?
did you have a chance to test the new insider build with x64 apps support?
Quick Question about Krita, did you try the Windows ink Driver? I had Problems with wintab and Krita on my Lenovo Laptop and maybe that could help on the Surface X too ^^
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Work on this
Actually the essence of this video is saying that you can basically do the same stuff on a tablet that you can on surface pro x... I kind of beg to differ. I travel a lot and nothing beats the always connected PC That's the first thing. The second thing which is the bigger thing is the fluid use of the file manager in a windows environment outweighs any tablet I've used to date. With windows I can do things in 5 minutes that it takes me 10 to 15 on a tablet, many extra steps Just to accomplish the same thing. No playing the delvis advocate I do say that the world or the environment is getting more able to use mobile computing on a regular everyday basis. Some companies only have mobile apps. And of course some companies use the processing power through an online portal to do very complicated things. And then in that respect I agree with you. I think it boils down to what you actually do with the computer and for me I need multiple OneDrive accounts working for different companies. And for that I'm sticking with the windows environment.
This is the reason I am interested in it. I'm not an artist so the drawing thing doesn't matter too much to me. The thing i really like us the idea if an LTE device with full Windows that I can use wherever I am at any time to write, check email, and browse the net.
Do you find you get that functionality from it?
@@JACCO20082012 the file manager is the key for me. It syncs just like regular windows. The only issue here is the regular windows is getting better battery life now so be aware..... To be honest with you I'm torn many times what which one I should have had but I do like the surface pro x I think it gets a bad rap but for everything else like office and things like that I love it
@@deankaltsas are you saying the file manager is not a normal windows one? Is the OS not Windows 10?
@@JACCO20082012 it's normal
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Great video. I don't suppose you had a chance to try Blender on this, did you? I think MSFT bragged about the SQ1 chip's graphical prowess, but I'm not sure if that actually helps w/ running Blender.
It's a powerful chip when running Direct3D, not OpenGL. Not sure which framework Blender uses.
Love your content . Would the form factor - power is underwhelming . Would love to see you do a review of dells new XPS 13 2-in-1
How Adobe works on Samsung flexbook 2? Is it emulated to?
Thanks for another helpful review Brad! :)
I was wondering what people's opinions are on what might be the best tablet (not pen display) to use with Clip Studio Paint?
Definitely the latest generation (4th) 12.9" iPad Pro. I've got the 3rd gen 12.9" iPad pro and that works great for Clip Studio Paint too. So, if you can find one of those at a good price then that would be a option as well.
I'm assuming you meant tablet and not graphics tablet, btw.
@@TerminalJack505 thanks :) yeah I meant like a 2-in-1 regular tablet opposed to the ones you plug into your computer.
@@Kimiko11111 So far as Windows 2-in-1 tablets go, I don't have any recommendations. I have a Surface Pro 6 and I do NOT recommend it. The pen digitizer is horrible, the trackpad is super dodgy and the power cable is very poorly designed.
HOW do you download and run Krita? We’ve tried downloading every windows version and it always says that we have the wrong version. Bleh.
Just bought the Surface Pro 7. I know new things are coming, but oh well. I'll pass off to the kids when I want an upgrade.
Have you seen the price of a slightly improved CPU on the "new" SP X? I really have to ask who would buy that ahead of an AMD or Intel 11th gen or the new Apple Silicone? The only good part about the Surface Pro X is that no one is buying it so you can get 33% off through resellers (new).
Anyway, the problem remains, will developers care enough about WOA to build ARM64 apps, or are we going to be stuck with beta emulation? I would guess that with Apple Silicon arriving that developers will care more in getting new software ready for that knowing the slow painful adoption by MS in getting WOA fit for purpose? Especially as Apple has the architecture and incentive in place to facilitate easy adoption of ARM apps. Also, I suspect Rosetta is superior in emulation than MS effort. It is no surprise that MS is in panic mode to get things moving under the threat of Apple may be killing it with Apple Silicon and leaving MS in the dust again!
Being an early adopter of WOA, nearly two years ago, I am shocked how slow and poor MS has been to get this platform usable; it is woeful and I feel it may all come too late as I have given up, probably like many selling their Surface Pro X on eBay for big losses! Releasing unfinished projects, when will MS learn?
I mean Microsoft has been harking about windows on arm since 2013, they made surface RT, it was so horrendously underpowered that they just removed windows aero from windows completely so the surface RT doesn't look bad. They were serious about WOA.
And about it being too late now, I don't think you will get much of a choice. You might be able to make your next purchase an x86 device, but in the next 2 years mainstream devices are mostly going to run on ARM
Laggy. Doesn't Have support for most apps. Doesn't work as a tablet or a computer. I don't even know how Microsoft had the balls to release this. Good video.
what color did u pick for the ipad air ?