Like Louis Rossman said a while ago, companies just see people as a roadblock between them and THEIR money, that happens to be in YOUR pocket at the moment
You realize Windows 10 has had a built in keylogger since release. When you install it (which I hope you did, and you didn't use the OEM install), it literally asks you up front if you want the keylogger turned on (improving keyboard recognition or whatever).
The peak of keylogger evolution.. so far. It can always get worse, probably in ways we can't imagine right now, just because we don't know how technology will grow in the future.
I work in a hospital as a patient registar, and I just found copilot on our new computers last week. I look at patients' personally identifiable private health information all day -- full name and dob, mother's maiden name, ssn, insurance information, home and mailing address -- and when i called IT to ask wtf was going on, nobody had any answers or even any idea what this was or why it could be a problem. This has me really worried.
A month or two ago I discovered that Microsoft's AI installed itself onto my computer without my knowledge or consent. An AI installing itself onto computers is the thing of sci-fi horror novels/movies, I'm surprised Microsoft didn't consider that, or maybe they just don't care. Needless to say, I switched my computers over to Linux ASAP. I still have a very small windows partition for the few apps I have which don't work on Linux(yet) but now 98% of my home computer time is in Linux. I know that's not a viable option for everyone, especially at work, but hopefully it will become one soon.
@@unskeptable Strictly speaking you are correct, but you miss the point. Viruses and other malware don't technically install themselves either. But wether they do or not, I don't want them on my computer.
That's Win11 in a nutshell. It doesn't provide anything that's better than Win10 and in many cases it's worse. Microsoft has decide to take the gloves off and tell people what they can do with their PC's whether they like it or not.
@@quademasters249😂 and they can go right ahead and smash (compress) their market share even harder. You'd think their Colossus belting from European governments might wake them up but.. nope 🤣
Yes indeed. Linux USED to be very hard to use if you were migrating from Windoze, but Linux Mint is probably the easiest Linux to migrate to. I have already put a few people on Mint, rather then W11 or even W10. I don't mind W10 without all the guff, but there are lots of things about W11 I really hate and so far, don't have any machines running it - except for a test machine, where all the crap was removed by way of an auto-install script, and in that test machine, W11 was not bad, but as for the default MS install of W11 - no thank you.
@@VauxhallViva1975 For me Linux has not been hard. Even Xubuntu is fine for me.But for me the fact that Wine doesn't support like half of the games or programs I want to run and other half runs buggy is much bigger problem.
I feel like they must have a plan to en****ify Linux somehow. Perhaps somehow via SystemD, since that's one of (if not THE) biggest single point(s) of failure / vulnerable point(s) (outside of the kernel itself, which I feel is probably less likely to get trashed for a variety of reasons) for corporate hijacking, backdooring, and sabotage? Or IDK, maybe they'll figure out some kind of horrible legal loophole exploiting software patents, copyright, etc to get desktop Linux distros other than "approved variants" declared illegal and convince the authorities to start hunting down anyone mirroring / distributing "unauthorized" or "unlicensed" "infringing" copies. Or... worse still, perhaps they could be planning to target the hardware level itself, and have non-removable spying firmware (complete with fully functional shadow network stack, implemented at the hardware or firmware level) embedded in every single processor manufactured - so any time it's connected to the Internet it silently phones home in the background, sending back as much user data as possible. Then they bribe legislators to make the spying / data collection hardware and firmware a legal mandate for all consumer computing hardware produced by companies that want to do business with the US, and ensure they at Microsoft (as the US Government's most trusted IT vendor) get a perpetual contract to handle the data collection and to provide it on request to government agencies (while making entirely sure there's no stipulation that MS can't also use that data for whatever purposes they see fit). But perhaps that's just my red-team brain going a little [OK maybe a lot] too hard; that'd be some seriously evil stuff, although I certainly wouldn't put it past ANY of the megacorps these days... and with how corrupt the Gov is, I have no doubt that corporate dollars greasing a few hands could make it happen. I'd probably give up on technology entirely, unless I could build it myself from sufficiently simple components to evade the whole shebang (so... if I even could I'd probably be stuck with the equivalent of 1980s-era hardware AT BEST), and encourage others to do the same.
Since recall was announced my business has announced the ditching of Microsoft. Our email has been moved internally and over $100k already cut from Microsoft.
Yeah surely Microsoft is losing 100k on DKILabs which doesn't even have a website or any record of existing and is probably just the company you run your freelance work in, i can't find any "announcement" either lol
The fact Microsoft actually advertised this and thought it would go down without everyone on earth giving them hell for it shows how detatched they are from reality at this point.
Yep, even inside Microsoft we were having a serious "WTF" moment as the rest of the company announced this. No one I know in the field who actually spends lots of time with customers thought this was a good idea.
How hard are people fighting biometrics? Apparently everyone other than me voluntarily goes up their fingerprints and face prints. If people are that dumb, why wouldn't they just accept anything? People have no critical thinking ability whatsoever.
@@snarkyboojumit almost feels like they haven't consulted with their legal department. There's already enough anti trust and privacy related action going on in Europe I would have thought. Be interesting to see how this plays out.
The fact that Microsoft even came up with this has made me decide never to buy another Microsoft O/S again in my life. This is just beyond the pale. There is zero trust left in me.
@@CnCDune The latter will likely not work. I am sure it will be required to log in to your Microsoft account, or for it to call home on startup, or something else.
I am getting more and more fed up with Microsoft (including other Big IT) with the way they are behaving and it is slowly turning into an authoritarian software. I value my freedom in every sense possible and Microsoft is stepping on it. I am starting to regret buying Windows 11 Pro for my main computer.
The security flaw is the word "Microsoft:" "Microsoft things" have an established track record of "accidentally" turning back on, perhaps with the next non-consensual update, even though the user has turned it off.
Microsoft: Do not worry that all your sensitive data is collected against your will and stored one place, we are experts at security Also Microsoft: IP V6
There is no sane world in which this is legal. Unfortunately we don't live in a sane world. If anyone in government had HALF a braincell, the shit Microsoft has been doing for years would have them bankrupt from fines. But alas, that's expecting politicians to have brains...
It’s either a multi-billion dollar company suing the shit out of them, or a class action that’ll go nowhere til a decade later. They’ll have made far more than the fine by then.
As soon as this feature starts to collect data, it is becoming a target for hackers. It doesn't matter that in theory it is secure, security will always have flaws or ways to get around it. The most secure way to collect such data is to not collect it at all.
Literally the first thing that came to my mind. This is a huge liability for any company deals with secure data, and I get the feeling this is not GDPR compliant. I can't really see how someone at microsoft greenlit this, even if some companies asked MS for this feature for worker monitoring, the amount of shit you can get into sounds insane to me.
they also said ti was secure the 1st time around, till people found ways to easily get around said security without needing to know the actual decryption key. this will be more of the same, they think it's "safe" and then some hackers will just bypass the requirement and release the method, shitting on MS once again. the day I need to upgrade to the dreaded win11 (because i'm not paying close to 100 euro a year for extended service) i'll instantly install 3rd party tools to block 99% of the bullshit and revert it to win10 UI layout, i've gotten used to that over the past 10 orso years now if not more, why change.
@@DarkDyllon most everything you can do on windows you can do on linux and its free. I think there is a website that even tells you which program is the windows equivalent on linux.
@@DarkDyllonDebian 12 is ready. Instead of breaking down windows to fit your needs, try building up linux in your image. just 800mb ram idle with offical gpu drivers is pretty sweet. update happens when you say it should happen. all the basic software is free and open source. support for most windows applications is there. 0 build in ads, telemetry is 100%opt in (even if you spam click through the install process, the default is no). yes, easy anti cheat is a problem. not a linux problem imo, more an implementation issue. but i see that as a positive, fk kernel level anti cheat. build better cheat detection server sided or less privileged. why tf should valorant have more access to my computer than me? cracked versions work fine.
security loopholes aside, imagine the amount of resources recall would take. considering how terrible windows manages memory, that would be a nightmare to low-end systems.
Unfiortuantely it is not as easy for me, since I also run a MS server. I will have to rewrite a _lot_ of code. And it's not that I haven't thought about it, but learning new languages takes time added to the time spent on rewriting.
I’d love to completely leave Windows at this point, but the engineering software I need is only on windows. The closest equivalents that could run on Linux either do not have the necessary features, is too clunky to use (what was two clicks on a taskbar is now ten to twenty clicks and three different menus), or isn’t “validated by the industry” and therefore anything I could do with it wouldn’t be accepted. And dual booting or using Wine aren’t great solutions because with one, I’m still using Windows, and the other doesn’t work with all softwares.
@@awkwardplatypus9083why isnt dual booting an option? You could have linux for personal use where all your private stuff is, and you could keep the windows purely for running the software you need?
I work in health care IT, and this feature is a nightmare. We have both PHI and Credit Card data in our environment, and either could easily get swept into that AI snap shot. With hundreds of thousands of Windows endpoints, there is no way we risk it. Honestly an Enterprise install of Windows should not include this feature at all. Cant have it come on by mistake like other features, just never there.
Well hopefully your medical software partners understand your dilemma. I don't foresee that being an issue for them, since they'll leak data like every other 3rd party contractor does these days, so even if you do everything right the people you do business with will be your weak point. Glad we as a society determined in house software development as too cumbersome.
Honestly, having it disabled by policy feels like too much of a risk; this should, at best, be a package that can be optionally, voluntarily, installed.
@@simplehealthyliving4681 Because when something fucks up catastrophically as a result of the OS we can sue microsoft instead of having to run git blame to try and figure out who introduced the bug in the linux kernel that cost our company millions of dollars. etc etc etc.
It's a risk for everybody, since the standard password input widget has the little button you can click on to view what you typed, to make sure you input it correctly. This is good because you can check to see if anyone's behind you before exposing a password, but not if you now have a system process taking stealth screenshots at unknown times.
MS in 2 years: "Recall is using significant memory and disk space so we will now require that processing is done and stored in the cloud for your convenience"
Nah, is cheaper to use the processing on the consumers PC. They'll just add a bunch of "anonymous telemetry for your convenience" and yoink the preprocessed data
How is the general public ok with this? I know that there arent any convenient options other than windows, but, like, at some point you have to ask yourself whether convenience is more important to you than your rights to privacy.
Another big one is they state that in-private browsing or DRM content wont be recorded, every banking website does not fit into this category. Now every place you are told is "secure" online is no longer thanks to microsoft
I wonder if what they mean by "in-private browsing" actually even extends to browsers other than Edge in the first place. I'd be willing to bet that it doesn't.
Huh, does sound like a nice loophole for banks though, turns out you had a malware recording your screen while doing banking, thus if your account gets hacked it’s not their fault. I mean they are not wrong, this software if installed by anyone else on a machine but the OS would clearly fit the criteria of malware.
The fact that they've said it will record every embarrassing thing you do and every bit of personal info you enter in, but will not store any "copyrighted" material you view is the absolute biggest tell of what they really care about.
I realize we're all preaching to the choir in these comments, but here's a quick reminder that "this will allow us to improve your ad experience" is the same kind of statement as "this will allow us to hit you less forcefully with a stick". Ads are inherently negative. The only way to "improve my ad experience" would be to eliminate it.
2:00 Having personally ripped One Drive and it's registry keys out of my computer several times just to have it show back up, I can assure you it's not just "a happy little accident" these things just show back up every now and again.
@@tormaid42 They don't include gpedit.msc in windows 10/11 home. edit: technically there are other tools to modify group policy, they are simply harder to use
My computer on linux boots in like 10 seconds, on windows it is about 90 seconds before it finishes all of those junk processes that I can’t control on startup.
Forget the security issue, the memory and cpu it uses.... all that shit. WHO ASKED FOR THIS??? Nobody EVER wanted some big brother watching them at all times. And of ALL big brothers... the LAST one you want looking over your shoulder at all times is God damn Microsoft. I don't care what they say about who's able to decrypt it, don't care... This feature guarantees that I will NEVER buy a Windows machine again. My company will never buy one also. This "feature" is a Microsoft killer. Go ahead Microsoft... we all want you to do this so that you finally get replaced by a better OS.
Did you know that hackers will look for the saved data from this in the users machine futst so the best way to use it if someone desides to use it is disable snapshot saving,disabling snapshot saving in Windows Recall can be a safer option if you’re concerned about long-term storage of your data. This way, snapshots are only kept temporarily and not stored on your device.When you disable snapshot saving in Windows Recall, the metadata associated with those snapshots is also removed. This ensures that no residual data from the snapshots is retained on your device 😎
@@sametekiz3709 am no yalking to you i just elaborated on this because despite what you linux fanboys wont your system wont be dominant mayde my choise i dont care about anyones personal opinions aout me understand.
When I use windows, i feel like a boiling frog. Everything is opt-in until everyone is comfortable with it being on your PC and then they secretly change it to opt-out or they turn the feature on after you turn it off .... it is just sad that that people don't seem to get the trends and tactics and feel it is ok to add the feature as long as it is opt-in... they did the same with Telemetry, and they do the same with everything as long as they make you think it will always be opt-in
@ScottAshmead yup, typical bait and switch tactics. Car manufacturers are doing the same. But they install kill switches and GPS. They claim your car can't do x, y or z, but if you pay suddenly it becomes capable. Because they just add your vehicle ID to the list of paid IDs. They also, without your knowledge, or in extremely hard to read legalese fine print somewhere in the back 3/4 of your agreement with the dealership say you opt in to them being able to remotely disable your vehicle, track, share telemetry and GPS of everywhere you go, how fast, how hard you turn, break, accelerate, wear a seatbelt, have passengers, passenger count, travel habits and so so so much. In the name of 'Safety' lmfaoooo
@@norbert.kiszka Microsoft is, maybe you don't recall but there was a time that microsoft colluded with manufacturers to include windows by default as orm. so yeah, they did indeed force people to use windows.
@@norbert.kiszka Kind of. It is most well supported OS in the world. It is best for the average user, as it just works. What are alternatives? MacOS is expensive for the average user. And Linux is just a pain in the ass for an average user, unsupported programs, full of bugs, lacking quality control that a every day os needs.
I don't know about "evil", but it certainly is bankrupt. It's evidence of people who are long out of ideas but are forced to come up with some big thing to make Number Go Up every quarter. And THAT is where the evil comes in.
No one truly wants this, do they? I can only think that MS are pushing it so hard, because it is good for _them_. They are heavily invested in AI. Current AI has a voracious data appetite. This will allow them to collect data where other companies can't. If Snapdragon CPUs are specifically needed for this, then I can even imagine the entire push towards that platform stems from MS' desire to dominate an AI-enabled future, whatever nebulous mirage that actually turns out to be.
My boss in an un-named call Norwegian call centre: "Today we're calling the opt out list." "But... Didn't they opt out for a reason?" "Yeah, but most of them don't even remember opting out." "Ok, but... Isn't that illegal?" "Listen, kid. We've had our legal team already look at this, and it's legal." "Well, the wording is pretty straight forward, companies that call opt out lists can be fined." "Yes, and we're willing to take that chance. Now, do you want this job or not?"
Same mode of operation applies for Sillicon Valley companies. User privacy? Just let us focus on user base growth. When we are big enough, we can hire lawyers to sort it out, and if we go bankrupt before getting big enough, then who cares!
The fact that Microsoft is still pushing Recall after the overwhelmingly negative press it received makes it so obvious that it's not a product. It's MAKES a product that Microsoft can sell, and we are the resources.
Since the announcement of this feature, I switched to Linux because I believe it's a significant privacy breach that everyone should oppose, as it goes against the principles of humanity.
The more Microsoft is pushing this feature down my throat the more I question how private the content it records really is. You'd think that they'd take no for an answer if everything would stay on my computer forever, viewable just by me, and not analyzed by Microsoft at all.
It makes me insanely suspicious, because there has to be a reason why they're so deperately forcing it down our throats, as if they have some internal deadline. Yes, it looks like _desperation._ It's not a function I need, it's not a function I want. I will tear the OS apart to get fully rid of it.
Yeah, it's honestly a stupid feature, I don't even know why people would want it in the first place. It's not something people ask for. You just know it's nothing more than a scheme to generate a bunch of AI training data and personal info to target ads.
IMO the biggest advantage of this over something that is text based is finding stuff in videos. E.g. "What episode of did say ?" Excluding DRM content cripples this, while still recording banking details :D on what planet does this make sense.
Microsoft: - Charges you for a desktop OS (which, by itself, is just a commodity) - Data mines the user from top to bottom (many "telemetry" collections not even being opt-out) - Forces users to use online accounts - Still puts ads into the start menu - Wants to enable bitlocker encryption without user consent (going to be fun when they don't know their recovery pass phrase) - Introduces basically spyware with Recall I pity all the people who are stuck with Windows due to some applications they have to use. So glad I switched to Linux over a decade ago.
Just as I do not want a stranger going through my home, looking through all my cabinets, drawers, closets, looking at all my pictures -- cataloging everything then leaving without a trace. I do not want someone -- let alone AI -- going through my computer. Piss off.
I switched to Linux (Fedora). There have been some growing pains, but I cannot just ignore what Microsoft, Adobe and many other tech companies have been doing.
I switched to ubuntu 8 years ago. Its been good. Just toss windows in a VM if you need something. But then 2-3 years later I largely ran out of those use cases too.
It kind of reminds me of the Black Mirror episodes where every moment of someone's memory is recorded so they can scroll through it when they need to, but it also has people who steal other people's memory and sell it on the black market.
Microsoft re-enabling recall is literally the same thing as Windows resetting your default browser to edge every time there's a system update. This was a Windows 10 thing, no idea if it's on 11 but I'm not installing it to find out. Recall is a data privacy nightmare and i seriously dont know how microsoft are being allowed to get away with this
How are they getting away with it? Lack of competition in the OS Space. The programs I need for work only exist on Windows and there are no alternatives on Mac or Linux.
Everything about Windows 11 is so freaking shady. I'm glad my processor is too old for Windows to try and upgrade me to it. At the rate Microsoft is going, Windows 10 is the last Microsoft OS I'll ever use. Next computer I build, I'll probably just bite the bullet and switch over to something like Ubuntu or Mint.
I am running a multiple boot system and Linux usage has gone up by 5%. Where you can actually have a computer experience without spending most of the time trying to protect yourself.
Ten years since using at all, 13 since being part of the ms dev chain, 15 since relying on them in personal life. All I can say is tech life was just better from the moment I ditched them. I even use Apple stuff occasionally in preference.😂 Never looked back.
I said it back then and I say it again: this is a nightmare. Even before all the IT security stuff: we work with customers’ data, it’s not ours and certainly not microsoft’s. An AI-powered keylogger that slurps them and _will without any shadow of a doubt_ send them over to the mothership violates more customer agreements than I can count. I think at microsoft they just rinsed their brains with bleach at this point. Secondly: no, I don’t need these data and having them is utterly dangerous. This program is evil and should not happen.
6:03 Companies shouldn't be able to access the microphone in the background. When person A looks up topic X, and sends a message to person B in the middle of browsing topic X, then person B will also receive ads on topic B despite never relating to that topic before.
Well corporate may not disable it, because it's a employee tracking on steroids. There will be softwares that will be able to work with the data in a network and then summarize what the guy did that day.
they even integrated ads into their damage control blog post man, every single time copilot+ PCs are mentioned its followed by a whole pitch talking about how powerful and innovative they are. they just cant help it
LOLOL "Not shared" -- It's all there for anyone to pull everything about what you've used your computer for. I can't think of any time I've ever wished to go see "What did I do last Monday on may computer".. It's a forensics goldmine.
This should be illegal. You can't trust them to keep the feature disabled (it should also be illegal to secretly enable features advertised to be opt in). They should be liable for the resulting incidents that WILL happen b/c of this (but they probably will not, or will get a wrist slap).
@@MrMsedek "tbh everyone affected by any of these, deserves it for keep using that garbage OS" - Not everyone has a choice. A lot of software is available only for Windows. Try not to let your hate, contempt, and ignorance cloud your judgement in the future.
Just think how long it will take for police to use these records in their "investigations". Especially in countries that are not so friendly to their citizens. Microshit is literally endangering lives here, for the sake of profit.
@@MrMsedek I'd argue that people who actively decline to inform themselves before choosing an OS (or any product in general) are shirking their responsibility as a consumer, b/c dollars are meant to function like votes in capitalism (when it comes to who provides goods and services). Those uninformed consumers I think do deserve this, but as the other guy said many people are forced into using this OS for many reasons, and I'd argue you should push blame to the gov't for allowing this situation to develop into what it is today. Realistically though, the technology is so new and quick to change that these kinds of growing pains were almost inevitable even if our gov't was doing its job better.
@prw56 Not everyone is terminally online You want every 60 year old to do a pros and cons analysis on their OS when they just wanna use it for web browsing? Like come on
I have opt-out from Windows when I noticed how my laptop behaves in comparison to Linux. On windows I had constant fan noise during watching yt videos and even worse, also after few minutes of sitting idle with opened browser, nothing else. When I wanted to check the reason multiple times I have opened the task manager - suddenly, there was nothing resource hungry in the background and fans stopped. I did it multiple times over the years, with additional checks - after reinstalling windows and running it for few weeks with minimal new apps installed, and cleaning it from bloat-ware manually (of course getting it fully up to date, so update would not need to run). And after months chasing the rabbit I decided to run Linux - Mint at the time. Suddenly - no fan noise, nothing. Battery went from 5h idle on windows to 12h on Linux. While watching yt videos - 6h vs 2-3on win. It was still win10 at the time. But conclusion was clear. So long spyware, welcome to the rabbithole of choosing one of hundreds of distros - but this is a story for another time 😅
5:08 they're not gonna do that FOR NOW I'm almost certain that once people get used to using it it won't take long before they start doing exactly that.
The thing I don't understand is, why it's even a part of OS? Why not make it something you can install additionally, if you need it? Oh, yes, nobody would install it that way, that's why..
@@floobix1 He's right though. Of course MS would have the space if they need to, but they won't go through the trouble. It'd cost them money and it would be a PR nightmare if discovered. All they need is the ability to query whatever findings your local run AI makes. They get to spy on everything you do and they make you pay for the hardware and compute time to do so.
@@floobix1 you need some buffer (in the order of days for 99.9999% reliability), do you think the machine would BSOD the moment it loses internet connection
Nah, the EXISTENCE of recall 2 months ago was the last straw for me. Dual Booting KDE Neon and transferred my files to proton... Only reason i have dual boot is just to play certain steam games... That additional barrier certainly improved productivity and mental health since.
@@jamesross3939I personally love it. Ability the battery charge limit down to a percentage for my laptop is a game changer. Use a virtual machine and go through the distros before settling on one I went through Ubuntu Desktop, Mint, Pop OS and Manjaro before I figured KDE Neon was my jam.
@@jamesross3939 Boot it in a VM and try it out~ For my laptop, the fact I can change battery limits down to a percentage is an absolute game changer. I finally made the leap after multiple years of trying. Ubuntu Desktop, Mint, Manjaro, PopOS.... Nothing stuck... I kept having problems with VMware workstation being broken after updates. I finally learned about signing MUKs for secure boot which finally fixed every single piece of software that needs something signed for Secure Boot to work.
Questions for microsoft regarding every new feature they launch: 1. Is this a good feature, do people want it? 2. If yes, why don't you sell it? 3. If no, why are you forcing it on us?
I want it. But I expect this to be part of the operating system, not a product I should purchase, More and more phones are getting AI features, I expect the desktop OS to evolve as well.
Are electric cars a good feature? If yes, why are they so expensive? If not, why are we forced to used to buy electric cars? Send yor questions to MS and you will get no answer
Given Microsoft is embedded in Corporate IT, probably this "feature" was asked for by corporates and not by average and home users. And down the road those corporates would probably enforce enabling it on corporate devices.
In the _initial_ release of this feature, corporate IT (probably via group policy) can remove the ability to enable Recall, but cannot force it on. The IT dept cannot force Recall on the user, only force an opt-out. At least not through Windows' built-in administrative features. (this is addressed in the video) But of course, since IT can deploy other stuff, they may find a way to turn Recall on via some other means. And as noted in other comment threads, who knows when in some other future version of Windows they will update the group policy to have a "force on" option? It is all at Microsoft's whim after all.
2:13 Yes. Happens to us at work. I think its a Windows update doing it, it keeps resetting default apps back to Microosoft. If they continue down this path it will be another United States vs Microsoft again.
recently encountered a funny setting in windows 11 (the European version). A toggle button which said: allow applications to ignore your settings. This was in relation to not allowing apps to simply access privacy endangering features.
My Linux distro isn't even set up with automatic updates by default, you actually need to do some special stuff to even get that working. Flatpak technically makes it easier but I don't want auto updates anyway.
I have a feeling MS fully knew the backlash this would generate and made it opt-in so people would complain for it to be opt-out, instead of being opt-out by default (obviously) and people complaning that it _shouldn't_ exist. It's typical sales tactics, put the price higher so hagglers go down to the price you actually intend on selling on.
why would this EVER live at the OS-level instead of being a regular program AI idiots could install? It's so obviously an evil AD thing it might as well be featured in the marketing material. This takes bloat to an entirely new level. What's next? Linkedin and Teams as a required program for windows to boot? It's time to fully switch to linux I guess
I feel like this is a great way to incriminate someone accidentally. Some scammer sends you an image and you look at it and suddenly the FBI is at your door.
Every little "trending in the right direction" made my eyebrow twitch. The right direction would be for this to get removed from the source repository, and the person/people responsible for its inception being escorted off the campus. I remember hearing about Windows XP's activation feature and thinking, "Wow, they really don't give an eff about their users, like _at all._ " This, on the other hand, almost feels like a personal attack.
Linux user here. 14 years now, 14 years of being happier and happier about my decision every year. I think the extra burden of maintenance and compatibility has been 1000% worth it.
I feel the same way about Mac. Yeah, it’s got its issues and I would move to Linux if had the time for the “burden of maintenance and compatibility” but I don’t. I think it’s inevitable though.
Who this for exactly?! Microsoft or the user. Nobody asked for this feature. This is just a blatant invasion of privacy and they know it. No matter how they spin it, it still doesn’t change that.
Honestly as European user,, I dont ask almost all of your questions. I just ask how to disable the crap. I know companies who test Linux Desktops now because of Windows recall. Even if disabled, they dont want that crap even on the machines.
It's important to know if data about you is sold for targeted ads, it's not, and it can not be anonymous. If that data was anonymous, there would be no way to target you with an ad. There must be some unique identifier that tracks back to you. Anonymous data is only used when looking at large data sets, not when targeting you. All that data is unique to you and tracks back to you. If it didn't, then that data would be worthless since there would never be any targeted ads.
Also this data is used to create a shadow profile of you. A highly detailed psychological profile of you. That is what is needed for targeted ads. Like Google signals and cross device tracking. That is for a psychological profile that is kept on you without your knowledge or permission.
"If that data was anonymous, there would be no way to target you with an ad. There must be some unique identifier that tracks back to you." - exactly and as simple as that
Hm, part of this seems an overstatement? If you collect from many people a list of “interests”, and then anonymize it only retaining how common different pairs of “interests” are, that seems like it could be useful for ad targeting by pairing it with other information that *is* specific to the particular person? Like, if you collect anonymized data about a bunch of people in order to estimate the correlation between a bunch of factors, then if you have non-anonymized data (obtained in a different way) about someone, the correlation estimates from the anonymized data could be helpful in estimating likely values of the other factors that you don’t have information on for that person, and use that to inform what ads you show them.
@drdca8263 You do not understand what's happening here. All of the data collected through browsers is unique data. It is for gathering specific information about you, who you are, what you like or dont like, what pages you look at, how long you're mouse hoovers over a bottom, what you look at or skip, what you click like on. This is all to create a profile on you. That is you specifically. So that you can best be targeted. Now this is creepy as F, so first this is hidden from you and secondly there is a large campaign to misinform you about what is happening. All this information can be aggregated as anonymous outputs, like when I look at my youtube statistics, that data I'm looking at about if you watched my videos is anonymous to me. But not to Google. The output to me is anonymous. And that is what they want to tell you. The data they collect on you is your data. They keep safe and anonymous. That is halfway true in a narrow instance. In reality, that data is not yours at all its theirs. They own it. It is not anonymous at all, but anonymous new data can be created from it. This is a misinformed campaign.
@@drdca8263but you still need to know that person A fits into that, so you need a way to identify it, so you don't show tampon ads to a 18y boy... so, by nature of that you need to identify him somehow to group him/ add him to the 18y boys bucket... That is what they meant above. Unless you think that target ads are just dhowing ad X on this part of the country or something general like that. Even then, you need to identify somehow that user A is part of that part of the country ( by ip mapping or something)
This whole situation is horrifying. The processing happens locally, the screenshots are stored locally, the data... no commitment to not harvest that... soooo... you, your computer, and your electricity are now their revenue stream for ads and llm training? I hate that people aren't freaking the hell out about this.
I don't care what they say about the security of this feature. [1] even simple stuff has vulnerabilities ALL THE TIME!! Let alone something as complex as Windows. [2] I don't trust corporate speak about what's secure, what's not sent to them, what's private etc. If they want, they have enough lawyers to find a way around it.
There is absolutely a market-driven requirement to exploit new potential revenue streams; failing to exploit the data from this would essentially amount to corporate malpractice. I don't think it's hyperbolic in the slightest to eye this with healthy doses of suspicion.
@@prestonashworthmusic As mentioned in my comment, tech ran out of ideas years ago and we don't even have the tech to produce what they're shilling as "AI" right now, but Number Must Go Up Every Quarter!
The whole recall thing was the final push I needed to give Linux a real shot. I started by setting up a dual boot on my PC and haven't really used windows outside of work for a couple months now.
I did the same last year. After not needing/booting windows for a couple of months, I've just removed and mothballed the drive it was installed on entirely. I'm almost a year entirely windows free now and I'm not going back.
I kept my Windows drive in case I needed to boot it for something. After booting a couple times to fetch some files (resume, some finance files, some project files), I haven't had any need to boot it since.
Recall needs to work like the windows+shift+S screengrab. You trigger it with a keyboard shortcut and define a square or click a window to be recalled similar to the way you grab a source in OBS.
as if you'd know what you'll forget but would like to remember later. I can think of many times where I've been trying to dig up some yt video that I watched before based on remembering one scene from it and if I could just ask recall it bring it up that would be really convenient without me having to manually click 4 buttons every now and then
@@shiinondogewalker2809 I understand your point, but honestly, is the source of that one scene really so important if you can't even properly remember it? I've personally had this compulsive tendency to try to find random content I watched a long time ago, but for me the better thing was simply learning to drop it :D
@@Adityarm.08 no you're right maybe it isn't that important. It's mostly my first thoughts that it sounds really convenient. If it's a negligible performance hit, stores the data locally, and doesn't grab data from applications that already don't show up in screenshots and screen recording (binance just to name an example), then I don't thing there's much negative at all to it and would be down to try using it
MS bringing this back after the thundering backlash signals to me some kind of desperation in MS. Deep down, they know the whole world could be running just fine on Linux Mint and one of the open offices. They might be desperate to distinguish Windows from Linux, and AI is about the only strategy.
The fact that Linux doesn’t have native MS Office and Adobe compatibility makes it a deal breaker for many everyday people. I’ve tried converting my parents but that’s what made them switch back to windows. It’s not the UI or experience, it’s the lack of apps that they (as 50 year olds who are set in their ways) are used to. Recall may push people away from Windows and more towards Mac.
Don't forget games and other programs (particularly from engineering branch like CAD and FEM) not running out of the box, if they can even run at all after Wine/Proton. That Wine/Proton isn't built-in in Linux' distros after over a decade is, IMHO, shameful and the reason why we won't ever see Linux really overtake M$ in way, shape or form.
That's odd to hear you say, given how Office is barely recognizable anymore. I switched to Open Office back in the day because it worked more like the older Office suites. Also, may Adobe find a long and torturous death, and eternity thereafter in the blackest pits of space. They have tried to steal our art so many times.
@@CnCDune i would rather call bloat shameful than call not including wine shameful. if i really needed linux compatibility with windows apps i would just use linspire
@@gairisiuil It's 2024 - for a free, community-made OS to *not* support running programs from the WinXP era *out-of-the-box* at minimum is shameful to me. We've had computers for two decades now, and from a community failing at something this fundamental I feel is just embarrassing. Maybe I've gotten older or too used to Windows-convenience, but all I want these days is to dbl-clk on games' EXEs and they just *run* - no need for any (3rd party) patches like I already had to use since the Vista days because M$ thinks of nothing but profits. Then there's the fact that engineering software is also Windows-only, but not supporting that particular niche I can understand - however I'd have liked it to not be the case.
For Microsoft opt-in means they will present the option in the out-of-box experience with a big blue button agreeing to it and small text that says skip.
The worst of all is that "shilling things at us that we don't need" isn't the biggest problem. Corporations always share data with ANY governments that request it. And if you think you have never done anything illegal, so you have nothing to worry about, well, what's considered legal in your country is not necessarily considered legal in another.
from what i understand it's just meant for showing the latest KDE stuff, not actually running it, as it breaks a lot i run arch with hyprland and it hasn't broken yet except for what is probably a discord issue.
I switched to Debian Linux when I read the Recall announcement. If anything it was great exposure to how far Wine/Proton has come. Opt In programs in Windows have a habit of being accidentally turned on in Windows Updates. This computer belongs to me, not Microsoft.
1:50 News and interest on task bar. I have disabled it 1000 times. Still it pops out on task bar. And also, for everything else I have to click. But this, just move the mouse on it, it will pops up and won't close.
have all of ur dreams fulfilled at lowlevel.academy. or maybe not idk im just a programmer
I have had my mouse moved without my consent and I also have no software unless my PC came with a RAT pre installed
We are talking I leave for more than 30 minutes my mouse will be ever so slightly moved. And then I find a windows feature turned on too
I'll be sure to recall that I've downloaded and am about to install Linux
You have a link to your store but it says it's closed. Is that correct?
Why don’t you use Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC?
Remember "personalized ads" is really just code for "exploit your vulnerabilities to convince you to give up your money." It's dirty and shady AF
Like Louis Rossman said a while ago, companies just see people as a roadblock between them and THEIR money, that happens to be in YOUR pocket at the moment
and people should patch their vulnerabilities, instead of blaming others for exploiting them
@@the_original_dudeWeird comment chief
@@the_original_dude yeah it's not like people have also other stuff to do, right?
win11 is the biggest creator of linux users... i like it
My problem with this is that it exists.
Right.
@@Iswimandrun couldn’t agree more!
Recalldumps incoming ...
Yeah, there is literally no reason for recall. It's not fixing any problem that exists.
I like how they prioritized this over, y'know, those kernel architectural issues that lead to crowdstrike...
Microsoft's take on "opt-in" is, you'll have the ability to opt-in until the next update when they force these features on.
and the end user is informed of this through the small print on line 357 of an update manifest
You know how it goes...
Check the EULA you scrolled down fast
the orders came from on high - training data is everything "we promise" and let the lawyers handle it is the m.o. forever more
I'm still mad about the onedrive bs
This is a peak of keylogger evolution.
Exactly. They're not telling the truth. And I do not like when people are not telling the truth.
You realize Windows 10 has had a built in keylogger since release.
When you install it (which I hope you did, and you didn't use the OEM install), it literally asks you up front if you want the keylogger turned on (improving keyboard recognition or whatever).
The peak of keylogger evolution.. so far.
It can always get worse, probably in ways we can't imagine right now, just because we don't know how technology will grow in the future.
I work in a hospital as a patient registar, and I just found copilot on our new computers last week. I look at patients' personally identifiable private health information all day -- full name and dob, mother's maiden name, ssn, insurance information, home and mailing address -- and when i called IT to ask wtf was going on, nobody had any answers or even any idea what this was or why it could be a problem. This has me really worried.
A month or two ago I discovered that Microsoft's AI installed itself onto my computer without my knowledge or consent.
An AI installing itself onto computers is the thing of sci-fi horror novels/movies, I'm surprised Microsoft didn't consider that, or maybe they just don't care.
Needless to say, I switched my computers over to Linux ASAP. I still have a very small windows partition for the few apps I have which don't work on Linux(yet) but now 98% of my home computer time is in Linux.
I know that's not a viable option for everyone, especially at work, but hopefully it will become one soon.
Ooof
When users are paying more attention than the IT department, that's when you know shit's fucked.
@@chimeforestNothing is installed by itself Chill
@@unskeptable Strictly speaking you are correct, but you miss the point.
Viruses and other malware don't technically install themselves either. But wether they do or not, I don't want them on my computer.
I really, really DON'T need this. Microsoft needs this. That's the main problem with it.
I'd kinda wanna try this
Communist police/governments wants it so they have a backdoor and can see what you are doing on your computer.
Noone needs this
they are trying to brainwash masses.. like somehow you need it
That's Win11 in a nutshell. It doesn't provide anything that's better than Win10 and in many cases it's worse. Microsoft has decide to take the gloves off and tell people what they can do with their PC's whether they like it or not.
@@quademasters249😂 and they can go right ahead and smash (compress) their market share even harder. You'd think their Colossus belting from European governments might wake them up but.. nope 🤣
Alternative title: Microsoft doubles down our motivation to switch to linux.
Yes indeed. Linux USED to be very hard to use if you were migrating from Windoze, but Linux Mint is probably the easiest Linux to migrate to. I have already put a few people on Mint, rather then W11 or even W10. I don't mind W10 without all the guff, but there are lots of things about W11 I really hate and so far, don't have any machines running it - except for a test machine, where all the crap was removed by way of an auto-install script, and in that test machine, W11 was not bad, but as for the default MS install of W11 - no thank you.
@@VauxhallViva1975 For me Linux has not been hard. Even Xubuntu is fine for me.But for me the fact that Wine doesn't support like half of the games or programs I want to run and other half runs buggy is much bigger problem.
I can't, because I don't have a external drive to save my data before switching
I feel like they must have a plan to en****ify Linux somehow. Perhaps somehow via SystemD, since that's one of (if not THE) biggest single point(s) of failure / vulnerable point(s) (outside of the kernel itself, which I feel is probably less likely to get trashed for a variety of reasons) for corporate hijacking, backdooring, and sabotage?
Or IDK, maybe they'll figure out some kind of horrible legal loophole exploiting software patents, copyright, etc to get desktop Linux distros other than "approved variants" declared illegal and convince the authorities to start hunting down anyone mirroring / distributing "unauthorized" or "unlicensed" "infringing" copies.
Or... worse still, perhaps they could be planning to target the hardware level itself, and have non-removable spying firmware (complete with fully functional shadow network stack, implemented at the hardware or firmware level) embedded in every single processor manufactured - so any time it's connected to the Internet it silently phones home in the background, sending back as much user data as possible. Then they bribe legislators to make the spying / data collection hardware and firmware a legal mandate for all consumer computing hardware produced by companies that want to do business with the US, and ensure they at Microsoft (as the US Government's most trusted IT vendor) get a perpetual contract to handle the data collection and to provide it on request to government agencies (while making entirely sure there's no stipulation that MS can't also use that data for whatever purposes they see fit).
But perhaps that's just my red-team brain going a little [OK maybe a lot] too hard; that'd be some seriously evil stuff, although I certainly wouldn't put it past ANY of the megacorps these days... and with how corrupt the Gov is, I have no doubt that corporate dollars greasing a few hands could make it happen.
I'd probably give up on technology entirely, unless I could build it myself from sufficiently simple components to evade the whole shebang (so... if I even could I'd probably be stuck with the equivalent of 1980s-era hardware AT BEST), and encourage others to do the same.
@@VauxhallViva1975get arch, do archinstall at least
Since recall was announced my business has announced the ditching of Microsoft. Our email has been moved internally and over $100k already cut from Microsoft.
Thank you. So, so much. Every company that ditches Microsoft and Adobe is another client I feel I can actually safely work with.
@@marenjones6665At least Apple theats their consumers better. Maybe even Google does it better than Microsoft.
This is the only correct approach, no matter how painful it is to pull off the bandaid.
Yeah surely Microsoft is losing 100k on DKILabs which doesn't even have a website or any record of existing and is probably just the company you run your freelance work in, i can't find any "announcement" either lol
@dahahaka yes, let's mock someone for doing something good, that will make you feel better.
What a surprise guys, they "rolled it back" then doubled down 5 months later when everyone moved on. What a shocker!
The fact Microsoft actually advertised this and thought it would go down without everyone on earth giving them hell for it shows how detatched they are from reality at this point.
Yep, even inside Microsoft we were having a serious "WTF" moment as the rest of the company announced this. No one I know in the field who actually spends lots of time with customers thought this was a good idea.
How hard are people fighting biometrics? Apparently everyone other than me voluntarily goes up their fingerprints and face prints. If people are that dumb, why wouldn't they just accept anything? People have no critical thinking ability whatsoever.
@@snarkyboojumit almost feels like they haven't consulted with their legal department. There's already enough anti trust and privacy related action going on in Europe I would have thought. Be interesting to see how this plays out.
Hi Edthisislowlevellearning, opt in 'features' turning themselves back on is certainly part of the enshitification
@@oriwittmer worst feature about the google pixel, certain features turn themselves back on
Such as? @@soko45
@@soko45 best feature of google pixel, unlocked bootloader for installing a custom ROM 👌
The 2023-deprecated Cortana turning itself back on, now that we are supposedly able to uninstall it, is really interesting.
No no no. You just don't understand how much you'll like the feature! It's for your own good.
Microsoft:
I don't want Cortana on Windows.
I don't want Copilot on Windows.
I don't want Recall on Windows.
Get it?
"that sign won't stop me because i can't read!" - Microsoft (probably)
@@parzival8108 😂😂😂😂😂
add edge there two
@@Rami-bi9xj yeah that too!
The fact that Microsoft even came up with this has made me decide never to buy another Microsoft O/S again in my life. This is just beyond the pale. There is zero trust left in me.
I think I'll stick to W10 or WinXP for my machines - or W11+ w/o internet, ever.
@@CnCDune The latter will likely not work. I am sure it will be required to log in to your Microsoft account, or for it to call home on startup, or something else.
agree 100%
every company around with any sensible data or science should stay far far away from MS Software products. This is DONE!
Linux is ready for prime time... Vast majority of the time, you dont need windows any more.
I am getting more and more fed up with Microsoft (including other Big IT) with the way they are behaving and it is slowly turning into an authoritarian software. I value my freedom in every sense possible and Microsoft is stepping on it. I am starting to regret buying Windows 11 Pro for my main computer.
The security flaw is the word "Microsoft:" "Microsoft things" have an established track record of "accidentally" turning back on, perhaps with the next non-consensual update, even though the user has turned it off.
Microsoft: Do not worry that all your sensitive data is collected against your will and stored one place, we are experts at security
Also Microsoft: IP V6
There is no sane world in which this is legal. Unfortunately we don't live in a sane world. If anyone in government had HALF a braincell, the shit Microsoft has been doing for years would have them bankrupt from fines. But alas, that's expecting politicians to have brains...
I just love how Microsoft is considerate enough to not record DRM content, but has no problem to record your personal data.
It’s either a multi-billion dollar company suing the shit out of them, or a class action that’ll go nowhere til a decade later. They’ll have made far more than the fine by then.
Clearly the solution is to register all your personal data as DRM =/
As soon as this feature starts to collect data, it is becoming a target for hackers. It doesn't matter that in theory it is secure, security will always have flaws or ways to get around it. The most secure way to collect such data is to not collect it at all.
hit the nail on its head 👍
Literally the first thing that came to my mind. This is a huge liability for any company deals with secure data, and I get the feeling this is not GDPR compliant.
I can't really see how someone at microsoft greenlit this, even if some companies asked MS for this feature for worker monitoring, the amount of shit you can get into sounds insane to me.
they also said ti was secure the 1st time around, till people found ways to easily get around said security without needing to know the actual decryption key.
this will be more of the same, they think it's "safe" and then some hackers will just bypass the requirement and release the method, shitting on MS once again.
the day I need to upgrade to the dreaded win11 (because i'm not paying close to 100 euro a year for extended service) i'll instantly install 3rd party tools to block 99% of the bullshit and revert it to win10 UI layout, i've gotten used to that over the past 10 orso years now if not more, why change.
@@DarkDyllon most everything you can do on windows you can do on linux and its free. I think there is a website that even tells you which program is the windows equivalent on linux.
@@DarkDyllonDebian 12 is ready. Instead of breaking down windows to fit your needs, try building up linux in your image.
just 800mb ram idle with offical gpu drivers is pretty sweet. update happens when you say it should happen. all the basic software is free and open source. support for most windows applications is there.
0 build in ads, telemetry is 100%opt in (even if you spam click through the install process, the default is no).
yes, easy anti cheat is a problem. not a linux problem imo, more an implementation issue.
but i see that as a positive, fk kernel level anti cheat. build better cheat detection server sided or less privileged. why tf should valorant have more access to my computer than me?
cracked versions work fine.
security loopholes aside, imagine the amount of resources recall would take. considering how terrible windows manages memory, that would be a nightmare to low-end systems.
Ikr, its not even that usefull. Id have a feeling most users would turn it off, but i doubt windows would make that easy
Hence why their hardware requirements are through the roof :')
@@hughjanes4883 When you do turn it off, Microsoft will just turn it back on next update. Glad I used Linux Mint now.
@@nanattechi My thoughts exactly
Windows clock didn't have seconds to save system resources and now they are collecting screenshots every 5 seconds lol
Recall Recall
@@Loki- A blue sky on Mars?
@@michael-------7058 A .exe we never needed.
Total Recall.
No, it's back again. It's now a Recall Recall Recall.
Microsoft: “Sweetheart, be reasonable. After all, we’re married!”
User: *Wipes hard drive, installs Linux.*
I converted all my PCs to Linux Mint with small inconveniences but I got over it. Just in time. It was really good and straightforward decision.
Unfiortuantely it is not as easy for me, since I also run a MS server. I will have to rewrite a _lot_ of code. And it's not that I haven't thought about it, but learning new languages takes time added to the time spent on rewriting.
I’d love to completely leave Windows at this point, but the engineering software I need is only on windows. The closest equivalents that could run on Linux either do not have the necessary features, is too clunky to use (what was two clicks on a taskbar is now ten to twenty clicks and three different menus), or isn’t “validated by the industry” and therefore anything I could do with it wouldn’t be accepted.
And dual booting or using Wine aren’t great solutions because with one, I’m still using Windows, and the other doesn’t work with all softwares.
@@awkwardplatypus9083why isnt dual booting an option? You could have linux for personal use where all your private stuff is, and you could keep the windows purely for running the software you need?
@@awkwardplatypus9083 that is just an excuse, you could still dual boot and only use the windows partition only where you must.
I think Linux sucks assholes TBH.
Taking screenshots every 5 seconds for 16 hours a day which means Microsoft will collect more than 70K screenshots per year of me watching the hub.
They'll have the biggest poxrn collection ever.
MAn the shit on my screen would make a war bet cringe
I work in health care IT, and this feature is a nightmare. We have both PHI and Credit Card data in our environment, and either could easily get swept into that AI snap shot.
With hundreds of thousands of Windows endpoints, there is no way we risk it. Honestly an Enterprise install of Windows should not include this feature at all. Cant have it come on by mistake like other features, just never there.
Well hopefully your medical software partners understand your dilemma. I don't foresee that being an issue for them, since they'll leak data like every other 3rd party contractor does these days, so even if you do everything right the people you do business with will be your weak point. Glad we as a society determined in house software development as too cumbersome.
Honestly, having it disabled by policy feels like too much of a risk; this should, at best, be a package that can be optionally, voluntarily, installed.
Sincere question - why does commercial IT use Windows and not Linux?
@@simplehealthyliving4681 Because when something fucks up catastrophically as a result of the OS we can sue microsoft instead of having to run git blame to try and figure out who introduced the bug in the linux kernel that cost our company millions of dollars. etc etc etc.
It's a risk for everybody, since the standard password input widget has the little button you can click on to view what you typed, to make sure you input it correctly. This is good because you can check to see if anyone's behind you before exposing a password, but not if you now have a system process taking stealth screenshots at unknown times.
MS in 2 years: "Recall is using significant memory and disk space so we will now require that processing is done and stored in the cloud for your convenience"
2 years is optimistic, imo.
Nah, is cheaper to use the processing on the consumers PC. They'll just add a bunch of "anonymous telemetry for your convenience" and yoink the preprocessed data
How is the general public ok with this? I know that there arent any convenient options other than windows, but, like, at some point you have to ask yourself whether convenience is more important to you than your rights to privacy.
@@maxave7448 @maxave7448 The general public doesn't know what an operating system is. How are they supposed to make informed choices?
@@maxave7448 Bold of you to assume that the everyday man even knows the problem untill they or a person close that gets affected
Another big one is they state that in-private browsing or DRM content wont be recorded, every banking website does not fit into this category. Now every place you are told is "secure" online is no longer thanks to microsoft
Opens up a market for a DRM-powered browser for those who are going to stick with it for whatever reason.
Well, we have to take their word for it, don't we? With tech companies, they always ask forgiveness, not permission.
I wonder if what they mean by "in-private browsing" actually even extends to browsers other than Edge in the first place. I'd be willing to bet that it doesn't.
@@timmo001 you remind me of HDCP and it sure is a plague.
Huh, does sound like a nice loophole for banks though, turns out you had a malware recording your screen while doing banking, thus if your account gets hacked it’s not their fault. I mean they are not wrong, this software if installed by anyone else on a machine but the OS would clearly fit the criteria of malware.
The fact that they've said it will record every embarrassing thing you do and every bit of personal info you enter in, but will not store any "copyrighted" material you view is the absolute biggest tell of what they really care about.
To be fair, everything what you type is copyrighted material. But it's copyrighted by you, not by big corporations. So even that statement is false
I realize we're all preaching to the choir in these comments, but here's a quick reminder that "this will allow us to improve your ad experience" is the same kind of statement as "this will allow us to hit you less forcefully with a stick". Ads are inherently negative. The only way to "improve my ad experience" would be to eliminate it.
"This will allow us to improve your ad experience"
I don't want an ad experience
“It’s Opt-In and we will opt you in at some point regardless of your preferences at some point in the future.”
2:00 Having personally ripped One Drive and it's registry keys out of my computer several times just to have it show back up, I can assure you it's not just "a happy little accident" these things just show back up every now and again.
Amen to that.
I still can't get over how microsoft made a browser so mid they had to SOLDIER IT INTO THEIR OS to try to get people to use it
Disabling things in the group policy editor is easier and won’t reset after updates.
@@tormaid42 They don't include gpedit.msc in windows 10/11 home.
edit: technically there are other tools to modify group policy, they are simply harder to use
@@shovel_salesman It reminds me of IE and how they had a nightmare of a time getting rid of it.
Switching to Linux is the decision that keeps getting better and better.
My computer on linux boots in like 10 seconds, on windows it is about 90 seconds before it finishes all of those junk processes that I can’t control on startup.
Forget the security issue, the memory and cpu it uses.... all that shit. WHO ASKED FOR THIS??? Nobody EVER wanted some big brother watching them at all times. And of ALL big brothers... the LAST one you want looking over your shoulder at all times is God damn Microsoft. I don't care what they say about who's able to decrypt it, don't care... This feature guarantees that I will NEVER buy a Windows machine again. My company will never buy one also. This "feature" is a Microsoft killer. Go ahead Microsoft... we all want you to do this so that you finally get replaced by a better OS.
Microsoft lets you turn off the saving of the screenshots, but notice that they don't allow you to stop the taking of the screenshots!
Did you know that hackers will look for the saved data from this in the users machine futst so the best way to use it if someone desides to use it is disable snapshot saving,disabling snapshot saving in Windows Recall can be a safer option if you’re concerned about long-term storage of your data. This way, snapshots are only kept temporarily and not stored on your device.When you disable snapshot saving in Windows Recall, the metadata associated with those snapshots is also removed. This ensures that no residual data from the snapshots is retained on your device 😎
@@Magas_sz😂😂😂😂 clown
@@sametekiz3709 am no yalking to you i just elaborated on this because despite what you linux fanboys wont your system wont be dominant mayde my choise i dont care about anyones personal opinions aout me understand.
@@Magas_sz why are you such a shill for Microsoft?
When I use windows, i feel like a boiling frog. Everything is opt-in until everyone is comfortable with it being on your PC and then they secretly change it to opt-out or they turn the feature on after you turn it off .... it is just sad that that people don't seem to get the trends and tactics and feel it is ok to add the feature as long as it is opt-in... they did the same with Telemetry, and they do the same with everything as long as they make you think it will always be opt-in
@ScottAshmead yup, typical bait and switch tactics. Car manufacturers are doing the same. But they install kill switches and GPS. They claim your car can't do x, y or z, but if you pay suddenly it becomes capable. Because they just add your vehicle ID to the list of paid IDs. They also, without your knowledge, or in extremely hard to read legalese fine print somewhere in the back 3/4 of your agreement with the dealership say you opt in to them being able to remotely disable your vehicle, track, share telemetry and GPS of everywhere you go, how fast, how hard you turn, break, accelerate, wear a seatbelt, have passengers, passenger count, travel habits and so so so much. In the name of 'Safety' lmfaoooo
Anybody is forcing You to use Windows?
@@norbert.kiszka Microsoft is, maybe you don't recall but there was a time that microsoft colluded with manufacturers to include windows by default as orm. so yeah, they did indeed force people to use windows.
@@norbert.kiszka Kind of. It is most well supported OS in the world. It is best for the average user, as it just works. What are alternatives? MacOS is expensive for the average user. And Linux is just a pain in the ass for an average user, unsupported programs, full of bugs, lacking quality control that a every day os needs.
@@mortvald Im not using Windows and nobody is forcing me to do so.
I don't know about "evil", but it certainly is bankrupt. It's evidence of people who are long out of ideas but are forced to come up with some big thing to make Number Go Up every quarter. And THAT is where the evil comes in.
No one truly wants this, do they? I can only think that MS are pushing it so hard, because it is good for _them_. They are heavily invested in AI. Current AI has a voracious data appetite. This will allow them to collect data where other companies can't. If Snapdragon CPUs are specifically needed for this, then I can even imagine the entire push towards that platform stems from MS' desire to dominate an AI-enabled future, whatever nebulous mirage that actually turns out to be.
What was windows? Oh that was the OS I dumped before using Linux....
They described it as "the Banality of Evil" during the Nuremberg Trials. It's not the sort of thing we should ignore.
@@tonywood3660 no one asked. Linux users are like vegans.
number go up, money go up, ceos go happy, me go sad
0:06 No, I don't recall
I don't windows haha
You don't recall™
😂
*slams fist on conveniently placed table and wheezes laughing*
Get out 😂
My boss in an un-named call Norwegian call centre:
"Today we're calling the opt out list."
"But... Didn't they opt out for a reason?"
"Yeah, but most of them don't even remember opting out."
"Ok, but... Isn't that illegal?"
"Listen, kid. We've had our legal team already look at this, and it's legal."
"Well, the wording is pretty straight forward, companies that call opt out lists can be fined."
"Yes, and we're willing to take that chance. Now, do you want this job or not?"
Same mode of operation applies for Sillicon Valley companies. User privacy? Just let us focus on user base growth. When we are big enough, we can hire lawyers to sort it out, and if we go bankrupt before getting big enough, then who cares!
@@kebman...so you gonna do something about it? Or do you expect us all to clap?
@@ShadowOfThePit You should clap, bcos I gave my boss the middle finger and quit after that.
The fact that Microsoft is still pushing Recall after the overwhelmingly negative press it received makes it so obvious that it's not a product. It's MAKES a product that Microsoft can sell, and we are the resources.
It's also a possibility that they are being blackmailed into pushing this feature by our friendly, privacy-concerned governments.
Since the announcement of this feature, I switched to Linux because I believe it's a significant privacy breach that everyone should oppose, as it goes against the principles of humanity.
Exactly. Not only is it creepy and disturbing, but this is a hackers wet dream. Forget keyloggers, this thing records literally everyhing you do!
The more Microsoft is pushing this feature down my throat the more I question how private the content it records really is. You'd think that they'd take no for an answer if everything would stay on my computer forever, viewable just by me, and not analyzed by Microsoft at all.
They are lying and there's no way to prove it in the closed source software.
It makes me insanely suspicious, because there has to be a reason why they're so deperately forcing it down our throats, as if they have some internal deadline. Yes, it looks like _desperation._ It's not a function I need, it's not a function I want. I will tear the OS apart to get fully rid of it.
Yeah, it's honestly a stupid feature, I don't even know why people would want it in the first place. It's not something people ask for. You just know it's nothing more than a scheme to generate a bunch of AI training data and personal info to target ads.
You would think that Microsoft would be the bulwark of network security.
Apparently this is not so. So I moved to Linux.
Of course, all privacy be damned, but anything that could threaten corporate interests - like DRM-protected media - is obviously exempt.
this is Claude Sonnet when asked to talk about song lyrics
IMO the biggest advantage of this over something that is text based is finding stuff in videos. E.g. "What episode of did say ?" Excluding DRM content cripples this, while still recording banking details :D on what planet does this make sense.
@@unclebob418 I thought the same thing. This is a use case, where Recall could be actually useful.
Microsoft:
- Charges you for a desktop OS (which, by itself, is just a commodity)
- Data mines the user from top to bottom (many "telemetry" collections not even being opt-out)
- Forces users to use online accounts
- Still puts ads into the start menu
- Wants to enable bitlocker encryption without user consent (going to be fun when they don't know their recovery pass phrase)
- Introduces basically spyware with Recall
I pity all the people who are stuck with Windows due to some applications they have to use. So glad I switched to Linux over a decade ago.
ads killed tv, now they almost killed internet, and AI will help them do it faster.
Just as I do not want a stranger going through my home, looking through all my cabinets, drawers, closets, looking at all my pictures -- cataloging everything then leaving without a trace. I do not want someone -- let alone AI -- going through my computer. Piss off.
@@drgroove101 Antivirus already inspects everything, and sends anything suspicious to the fbi, etc. to be analyzed.
So glad I switched to linux last year. You shouls give it a go if you havent yet
I switched to Linux (Fedora). There have been some growing pains, but I cannot just ignore what Microsoft, Adobe and many other tech companies have been doing.
@@Simmoriah switched to Linux Mint today.
I switched to ubuntu 8 years ago. Its been good. Just toss windows in a VM if you need something. But then 2-3 years later I largely ran out of those use cases too.
How is fedora? Does it have wayland ? Also how do games run on that?
@@EpicBunty If you want games, Pop! OS probably works best for them. It’s just unstable as hell.
I am switching to Kubuntu
Update: I switched to Kubuntu.
It kind of reminds me of the Black Mirror episodes where every moment of someone's memory is recorded so they can scroll through it when they need to, but it also has people who steal other people's memory and sell it on the black market.
iZombie where Zombies go to a bar where they pick specific brains of people they want to experience their memories of.
It reminds me of WEF: "Welcome to 2030, I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better."
There is a very cool movie about something like that, can't remember the name
6:50 Dude, stop saying "step in the right direction" for things that most absolutely are not, in fact, a step in the right direction.
0:12 oh, so... Spyware? XD
*don't uhhhrrm actually me, it's a joke
Microsoft re-enabling recall is literally the same thing as Windows resetting your default browser to edge every time there's a system update. This was a Windows 10 thing, no idea if it's on 11 but I'm not installing it to find out.
Recall is a data privacy nightmare and i seriously dont know how microsoft are being allowed to get away with this
@@bend7726 hahaha this is so true
I get a "let's make sure your settings are correct and your default browser is set to Edge, ok?" after every update on Windows 11 Pro.
They do this with OneDrive now, re-installing the software and trying to track you into backing up your files to their servers about once a month.
How are they getting away with it? Lack of competition in the OS Space. The programs I need for work only exist on Windows and there are no alternatives on Mac or Linux.
@@dragonmaster1500 how many of them work with the latest version of wine?
The recall feature and Microsoft embedding ADs into my OS is the reason that I migrated off of Windows all together.
Indeed, ads in a paid product is what got me to switch to Fedora
Everything about Windows 11 is so freaking shady. I'm glad my processor is too old for Windows to try and upgrade me to it. At the rate Microsoft is going, Windows 10 is the last Microsoft OS I'll ever use. Next computer I build, I'll probably just bite the bullet and switch over to something like Ubuntu or Mint.
I am running a multiple boot system and Linux usage has gone up by 5%. Where you can actually have a computer experience without spending most of the time trying to protect yourself.
Ten years since using at all, 13 since being part of the ms dev chain, 15 since relying on them in personal life. All I can say is tech life was just better from the moment I ditched them. I even use Apple stuff occasionally in preference.😂 Never looked back.
I said it back then and I say it again: this is a nightmare.
Even before all the IT security stuff: we work with customers’ data, it’s not ours and certainly not microsoft’s. An AI-powered keylogger that slurps them and _will without any shadow of a doubt_ send them over to the mothership violates more customer agreements than I can count. I think at microsoft they just rinsed their brains with bleach at this point.
Secondly: no, I don’t need these data and having them is utterly dangerous. This program is evil and should not happen.
Microsoft can get away with it because the CIA helped the company get started in the first place.
6:03 Companies shouldn't be able to access the microphone in the background. When person A looks up topic X, and sends a message to person B in the middle of browsing topic X, then person B will also receive ads on topic B despite never relating to that topic before.
Well corporate may not disable it, because it's a employee tracking on steroids. There will be softwares that will be able to work with the data in a network and then summarize what the guy did that day.
That - and also political persecution - are the real drivers behind this feature.
they even integrated ads into their damage control blog post man, every single time copilot+ PCs are mentioned its followed by a whole pitch talking about how powerful and innovative they are. they just cant help it
LOLOL "Not shared" -- It's all there for anyone to pull everything about what you've used your computer for. I can't think of any time I've ever wished to go see "What did I do last Monday on may computer".. It's a forensics goldmine.
This should be illegal. You can't trust them to keep the feature disabled (it should also be illegal to secretly enable features advertised to be opt in). They should be liable for the resulting incidents that WILL happen b/c of this (but they probably will not, or will get a wrist slap).
tbh everyone affected by any of these, deserves it for keep using that garbage OS
@@MrMsedek "tbh everyone affected by any of these, deserves it for keep using that garbage OS" - Not everyone has a choice. A lot of software is available only for Windows. Try not to let your hate, contempt, and ignorance cloud your judgement in the future.
Just think how long it will take for police to use these records in their "investigations". Especially in countries that are not so friendly to their citizens. Microshit is literally endangering lives here, for the sake of profit.
@@MrMsedek I'd argue that people who actively decline to inform themselves before choosing an OS (or any product in general) are shirking their responsibility as a consumer, b/c dollars are meant to function like votes in capitalism (when it comes to who provides goods and services).
Those uninformed consumers I think do deserve this, but as the other guy said many people are forced into using this OS for many reasons, and I'd argue you should push blame to the gov't for allowing this situation to develop into what it is today.
Realistically though, the technology is so new and quick to change that these kinds of growing pains were almost inevitable even if our gov't was doing its job better.
@prw56 Not everyone is terminally online
You want every 60 year old to do a pros and cons analysis on their OS when they just wanna use it for web browsing? Like come on
I have opt-out from Windows when I noticed how my laptop behaves in comparison to Linux.
On windows I had constant fan noise during watching yt videos and even worse, also after few minutes of sitting idle with opened browser, nothing else.
When I wanted to check the reason multiple times I have opened the task manager - suddenly, there was nothing resource hungry in the background and fans stopped. I did it multiple times over the years, with additional checks - after reinstalling windows and running it for few weeks with minimal new apps installed, and cleaning it from bloat-ware manually (of course getting it fully up to date, so update would not need to run).
And after months chasing the rabbit I decided to run Linux - Mint at the time. Suddenly - no fan noise, nothing. Battery went from 5h idle on windows to 12h on Linux. While watching yt videos - 6h vs 2-3on win.
It was still win10 at the time. But conclusion was clear. So long spyware, welcome to the rabbithole of choosing one of hundreds of distros - but this is a story for another time 😅
5:08 they're not gonna do that FOR NOW I'm almost certain that once people get used to using it it won't take long before they start doing exactly that.
The thing I don't understand is, why it's even a part of OS? Why not make it something you can install additionally, if you need it?
Oh, yes, nobody would install it that way, that's why..
I can't even keep windows from turning news back on, on windows 10. I have no faith in copilot
Snapshots are not shared... until a couple of years later when the EULA roofie comes.
Not enough space to store that many snapshots 😊
Textual description of them could be stored though
@@erkinalp Do you know what website you typed this comment on? Think on that for a bit
@@erkinalp not enough space?? laughable
@@floobix1 He's right though. Of course MS would have the space if they need to, but they won't go through the trouble. It'd cost them money and it would be a PR nightmare if discovered. All they need is the ability to query whatever findings your local run AI makes. They get to spy on everything you do and they make you pay for the hardware and compute time to do so.
@@floobix1 you need some buffer (in the order of days for 99.9999% reliability), do you think the machine would BSOD the moment it loses internet connection
Nah, the EXISTENCE of recall 2 months ago was the last straw for me. Dual Booting KDE Neon and transferred my files to proton...
Only reason i have dual boot is just to play certain steam games... That additional barrier certainly improved productivity and mental health since.
I need to try KDE Neon desktop.
@@jamesross3939I personally love it. Ability the battery charge limit down to a percentage for my laptop is a game changer.
Use a virtual machine and go through the distros before settling on one
I went through Ubuntu Desktop, Mint, Pop OS and Manjaro before I figured KDE Neon was my jam.
@@jamesross3939 Boot it in a VM and try it out~
For my laptop, the fact I can change battery limits down to a percentage is an absolute game changer.
I finally made the leap after multiple years of trying. Ubuntu Desktop, Mint, Manjaro, PopOS.... Nothing stuck...
I kept having problems with VMware workstation being broken after updates. I finally learned about signing MUKs for secure boot which finally fixed every single piece of software that needs something signed for Secure Boot to work.
Doesn't anyone remember that the 2013 Snowden leaks show that there is no such thing as an "opt-out" to surveillance?
Questions for microsoft regarding every new feature they launch:
1. Is this a good feature, do people want it?
2. If yes, why don't you sell it?
3. If no, why are you forcing it on us?
I want it. But I expect this to be part of the operating system, not a product I should purchase, More and more phones are getting AI features, I expect the desktop OS to evolve as well.
@@todortodorov6056 found the Microsoft bot
@@todortodorov6056 You go for it, agent Smith. Be happy within the matrix while the rest of us take the red.
Are electric cars a good feature? If yes, why are they so expensive? If not, why are we forced to used to buy electric cars? Send yor questions to MS and you will get no answer
@@todortodorov6056 why the hell do you want this as part of the OS?? are you insane?
Just install yourself if you want privacy nightmare computer lol
If I hadn't used linux for the last decade + I would switch. A private company that already spys on its users now taking even more info is a no go.
I've used Linux and turned off the windoze switch years ago....👍
I would change to Linux but I'm in distro hell 😂 at least Win10 LTSC is clean enough, I guess
@@hr6160linux mint, thats it
Given Microsoft is embedded in Corporate IT, probably this "feature" was asked for by corporates and not by average and home users.
And down the road those corporates would probably enforce enabling it on corporate devices.
This is 100% going to be used to try to increase control over the workers that companies have left, yes.
Maybe, but it would also increase the risk of data important for the corporations themselves are leaked.
It already is. I cannot disable CoPilot on my company provided laptop.
In the _initial_ release of this feature, corporate IT (probably via group policy) can remove the ability to enable Recall, but cannot force it on. The IT dept cannot force Recall on the user, only force an opt-out. At least not through Windows' built-in administrative features. (this is addressed in the video)
But of course, since IT can deploy other stuff, they may find a way to turn Recall on via some other means.
And as noted in other comment threads, who knows when in some other future version of Windows they will update the group policy to have a "force on" option? It is all at Microsoft's whim after all.
That would be utterly and thoroughly illegal. I would know, worked in the industry 27 years
2:13 Yes. Happens to us at work. I think its a Windows update doing it, it keeps resetting default apps back to Microosoft. If they continue down this path it will be another United States vs Microsoft again.
Happens all the time it seems that windows update messes up settings
Honestly, genuenly looking forward towards "United States v. Microsoft"
recently encountered a funny setting in windows 11 (the European version). A toggle button which said: allow applications to ignore your settings. This was in relation to not allowing apps to simply access privacy endangering features.
This is going to be an april's fool joke next year in a handful linux distros.
My Linux distro isn't even set up with automatic updates by default, you actually need to do some special stuff to even get that working. Flatpak technically makes it easier but I don't want auto updates anyway.
absolute disgrace that microsoft hasn't given up on recall already
it just proves that they are not doing it by accident, but with premeditation (like any convicted and hardened felon would)
I have a feeling MS fully knew the backlash this would generate and made it opt-in so people would complain for it to be opt-out, instead of being opt-out by default (obviously) and people complaning that it _shouldn't_ exist. It's typical sales tactics, put the price higher so hagglers go down to the price you actually intend on selling on.
why would this EVER live at the OS-level instead of being a regular program AI idiots could install? It's so obviously an evil AD thing it might as well be featured in the marketing material. This takes bloat to an entirely new level. What's next? Linkedin and Teams as a required program for windows to boot?
It's time to fully switch to linux I guess
I feel like this is a great way to incriminate someone accidentally. Some scammer sends you an image and you look at it and suddenly the FBI is at your door.
You know a new feature is great when users reject it so many times that you have to force it on them right, Microsoft?
Since when did Microsoft users have any say about "features"?
This is a feature for microsoft and the government, not for the user. To sell their data and to spy on them.
I will never be okay with this.
Every little "trending in the right direction" made my eyebrow twitch. The right direction would be for this to get removed from the source repository, and the person/people responsible for its inception being escorted off the campus.
I remember hearing about Windows XP's activation feature and thinking, "Wow, they really don't give an eff about their users, like _at all._ " This, on the other hand, almost feels like a personal attack.
4:09 - Backmost room, in the basement, ok, noted
He said that to make you think it's in there. Big brain thinking here. Misdirection is great.
Unless it's a misdirection OF the misdirection, in which case he wasn't actually lying and did infact give the correct location
He takes Low Level seriously
Linux user here. 14 years now, 14 years of being happier and happier about my decision every year. I think the extra burden of maintenance and compatibility has been 1000% worth it.
i have had linux on at least 1 computer since about a year ago. i couldn't agree more with this comment
I feel the same way about Mac. Yeah, it’s got its issues and I would move to Linux if had the time for the “burden of maintenance and compatibility” but I don’t. I think it’s inevitable though.
No confirmation bias here 😅 but yeah...
@@RottenMuLoT no straw-man here 😅 but yeah ...
@@RottenMuLoT not everything that can be confirmed is necessarily "biased". weird comment
An unnecessary invasion of privacy, I was pissed enough when they forced Cortana on users now this. I'll be switching to Linux when I build my next pc
Who this for exactly?! Microsoft or the user. Nobody asked for this feature. This is just a blatant invasion of privacy and they know it. No matter how they spin it, it still doesn’t change that.
Honestly as European user,, I dont ask almost all of your questions. I just ask how to disable the crap. I know companies who test Linux Desktops now because of Windows recall. Even if disabled, they dont want that crap even on the machines.
It's important to know if data about you is sold for targeted ads, it's not, and it can not be anonymous. If that data was anonymous, there would be no way to target you with an ad. There must be some unique identifier that tracks back to you. Anonymous data is only used when looking at large data sets, not when targeting you. All that data is unique to you and tracks back to you. If it didn't, then that data would be worthless since there would never be any targeted ads.
Also this data is used to create a shadow profile of you. A highly detailed psychological profile of you. That is what is needed for targeted ads. Like Google signals and cross device tracking. That is for a psychological profile that is kept on you without your knowledge or permission.
"If that data was anonymous, there would be no way to target you with an ad. There must be some unique identifier that tracks back to you." - exactly and as simple as that
Hm, part of this seems an overstatement? If you collect from many people a list of “interests”, and then anonymize it only retaining how common different pairs of “interests” are, that seems like it could be useful for ad targeting by pairing it with other information that *is* specific to the particular person?
Like, if you collect anonymized data about a bunch of people in order to estimate the correlation between a bunch of factors, then if you have non-anonymized data (obtained in a different way) about someone, the correlation estimates from the anonymized data could be helpful in estimating likely values of the other factors that you don’t have information on for that person, and use that to inform what ads you show them.
@drdca8263 You do not understand what's happening here. All of the data collected through browsers is unique data. It is for gathering specific information about you, who you are, what you like or dont like, what pages you look at, how long you're mouse hoovers over a bottom, what you look at or skip, what you click like on. This is all to create a profile on you. That is you specifically. So that you can best be targeted. Now this is creepy as F, so first this is hidden from you and secondly there is a large campaign to misinform you about what is happening. All this information can be aggregated as anonymous outputs, like when I look at my youtube statistics, that data I'm looking at about if you watched my videos is anonymous to me. But not to Google. The output to me is anonymous. And that is what they want to tell you. The data they collect on you is your data. They keep safe and anonymous. That is halfway true in a narrow instance. In reality, that data is not yours at all its theirs. They own it. It is not anonymous at all, but anonymous new data can be created from it. This is a misinformed campaign.
@@drdca8263but you still need to know that person A fits into that, so you need a way to identify it, so you don't show tampon ads to a 18y boy... so, by nature of that you need to identify him somehow to group him/ add him to the 18y boys bucket...
That is what they meant above.
Unless you think that target ads are just dhowing ad X on this part of the country or something general like that. Even then, you need to identify somehow that user A is part of that part of the country ( by ip mapping or something)
Microsoft really badly wants us all to use linux instead.
1:45 Apple does the same thing with certain features. One example is Location Services on the iPhone get enabled after OS updates.
This whole situation is horrifying. The processing happens locally, the screenshots are stored locally, the data... no commitment to not harvest that... soooo... you, your computer, and your electricity are now their revenue stream for ads and llm training? I hate that people aren't freaking the hell out about this.
I don't care what they say about the security of this feature. [1] even simple stuff has vulnerabilities ALL THE TIME!! Let alone something as complex as Windows. [2] I don't trust corporate speak about what's secure, what's not sent to them, what's private etc. If they want, they have enough lawyers to find a way around it.
Sounds like spyware with extra steps
@@d3crypt3d spyware with legal protection tbf
Just get rid of this recall crap all together.
I used Revo to erase Edge, Cortana & Passport completely. It doesn't have any negative effects.
Ads are the smallest of my concern when I think about what someone that has access to recall data may do.
There is absolutely a market-driven requirement to exploit new potential revenue streams; failing to exploit the data from this would essentially amount to corporate malpractice. I don't think it's hyperbolic in the slightest to eye this with healthy doses of suspicion.
And I could copy-paste this comment for so many things in tech "innovation."
@@prestonashworthmusic As mentioned in my comment, tech ran out of ideas years ago and we don't even have the tech to produce what they're shilling as "AI" right now, but Number Must Go Up Every Quarter!
The whole recall thing was the final push I needed to give Linux a real shot. I started by setting up a dual boot on my PC and haven't really used windows outside of work for a couple months now.
I hope the the recent windows update didn't bork your dual boot. You might consider running windows in a VM.
Me too! I only keep MicroShaft around for VR games.
I did the same last year. After not needing/booting windows for a couple of months, I've just removed and mothballed the drive it was installed on entirely. I'm almost a year entirely windows free now and I'm not going back.
I kept my Windows drive in case I needed to boot it for something. After booting a couple times to fetch some files (resume, some finance files, some project files), I haven't had any need to boot it since.
@@marenjones6665 same VR games is the main thing I still keep windows around for.
Recall needs to work like the windows+shift+S screengrab. You trigger it with a keyboard shortcut and define a square or click a window to be recalled similar to the way you grab a source in OBS.
I think I'll just recall with my brain
as if you'd know what you'll forget but would like to remember later. I can think of many times where I've been trying to dig up some yt video that I watched before based on remembering one scene from it and if I could just ask recall it bring it up that would be really convenient without me having to manually click 4 buttons every now and then
@@shiinondogewalker2809 I understand your point, but honestly, is the source of that one scene really so important if you can't even properly remember it? I've personally had this compulsive tendency to try to find random content I watched a long time ago, but for me the better thing was simply learning to drop it :D
@@Adityarm.08 no you're right maybe it isn't that important. It's mostly my first thoughts that it sounds really convenient. If it's a negligible performance hit, stores the data locally, and doesn't grab data from applications that already don't show up in screenshots and screen recording (binance just to name an example), then I don't thing there's much negative at all to it and would be down to try using it
@@shiinondogewalker2809 I use OneTab and tab groups and bookmarks and collections in Edge. Even still I can't find what I'm looking for way too often.
6:30 you were talking about this and an ad popped up, what a great timing from RUclips
Some companies will jump at the chance to use recall to monitor employees, I think.
who in the right mind even thought of this feature. Facebook captures browser data? let capture the whole computer.
Police/goverment who wants a backdoor/access to your computer and see what you are doing.
MS bringing this back after the thundering backlash signals to me some kind of desperation in MS. Deep down, they know the whole world could be running just fine on Linux Mint and one of the open offices. They might be desperate to distinguish Windows from Linux, and AI is about the only strategy.
The fact that Linux doesn’t have native MS Office and Adobe compatibility makes it a deal breaker for many everyday people. I’ve tried converting my parents but that’s what made them switch back to windows. It’s not the UI or experience, it’s the lack of apps that they (as 50 year olds who are set in their ways) are used to. Recall may push people away from Windows and more towards Mac.
Don't forget games and other programs (particularly from engineering branch like CAD and FEM) not running out of the box, if they can even run at all after Wine/Proton.
That Wine/Proton isn't built-in in Linux' distros after over a decade is, IMHO, shameful and the reason why we won't ever see Linux really overtake M$ in way, shape or form.
That's odd to hear you say, given how Office is barely recognizable anymore. I switched to Open Office back in the day because it worked more like the older Office suites. Also, may Adobe find a long and torturous death, and eternity thereafter in the blackest pits of space. They have tried to steal our art so many times.
@@CnCDune i would rather call bloat shameful than call not including wine shameful. if i really needed linux compatibility with windows apps i would just use linspire
@@gairisiuil It's 2024 - for a free, community-made OS to *not* support running programs from the WinXP era *out-of-the-box* at minimum is shameful to me.
We've had computers for two decades now, and from a community failing at something this fundamental I feel is just embarrassing.
Maybe I've gotten older or too used to Windows-convenience, but all I want these days is to dbl-clk on games' EXEs and they just *run* - no need for any (3rd party) patches like I already had to use since the Vista days because M$ thinks of nothing but profits.
Then there's the fact that engineering software is also Windows-only, but not supporting that particular niche I can understand - however I'd have liked it to not be the case.
@@CnCDune Maybe it's task for ReactOS when it gets more attention?
For Microsoft opt-in means they will present the option in the out-of-box experience with a big blue button agreeing to it and small text that says skip.
The worst of all is that "shilling things at us that we don't need" isn't the biggest problem. Corporations always share data with ANY governments that request it.
And if you think you have never done anything illegal, so you have nothing to worry about, well, what's considered legal in your country is not necessarily considered legal in another.
Or in another state...
or by different lawyer.
KDE Neon is my happy place.
from what i understand it's just meant for showing the latest KDE stuff, not actually running it, as it breaks a lot
i run arch with hyprland and it hasn't broken yet except for what is probably a discord issue.
@@Spiderfffunhow do you change the background on hyprland 😭
@@senatuspopulusqueromanum use hyprpaper, and load the image in the config. I think it has to be proper size
@Spiderfffun If that were true, it wouldn't be my happy place.
@@senatuspopulusqueromanum hyprland wiki -> useful utilities -> wallpaper
I switched to Debian Linux when I read the Recall announcement. If anything it was great exposure to how far Wine/Proton has come. Opt In programs in Windows have a habit of being accidentally turned on in Windows Updates. This computer belongs to me, not Microsoft.
1:50
News and interest on task bar. I have disabled it 1000 times. Still it pops out on task bar.
And also, for everything else I have to click. But this, just move the mouse on it, it will pops up and won't close.
Their prioritizing profit over security. When their main job should be security.